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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2018, 10:14:00 AM »
So what’s your solution?

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2018, 11:15:54 AM »
So what’s your solution?

What was Al and Tipiper Gore's "solution"?
What was Bill and Hillary Clinton's "solution"?
What was Barack and Michelle Obama's "solution"?

They sent THEIR precious children to a private school.

What is the "solution" of a larger percentage of public school teachers than the public at large?  Sending THEIR precious children to private and charter schools.

What was the "solution" of Professor Milton Friedman?  Opening more charter schools, such as Carl Icahn Charter School 1 and Carl Icahn Charter School 2 and Carl Icahn Charter School 3 and Carl Icahn Charter School 4, far outperforming the New York City Teachers Union Charter School, at the 5th percentile.

What  was the "solution" proposed by my friend, a physics professor at a public university?  "Eliminate tenure" he said without hesitation.

The graph of money spent per student, in constant dollars, over the past 40 years, goes up at something like a 45 degree angle.  The PERFORMANCE resulting from this meteoric rise in per pupil spending goes down, for forty years.

Money is inversely correlated with educational performance, so naturally liberals simply clamor for... more  money, as always.  It hasn't worked, but facts never stand in their way.  They're smarter than anyone else, and therefore  better than anyone else.  They tell everyone every single day.
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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2018, 11:31:59 AM »
So what’s your solution?

What was Al and Tipiper Gore's "solution"?
What was Bill and Hillary Clinton's "solution"?
What was Barack and Michelle Obama's "solution"?

They sent THEIR precious children to a private school.

What is the "solution" of a larger percentage of public school teachers than the public at large?  Sending THEIR precious children to private and charter schools.

What was the "solution" of Professor Milton Friedman?  Opening more charter schools, such as Carl Icahn Charter School 1 and Carl Icahn Charter School 2 and Carl Icahn Charter School 3 and Carl Icahn Charter School 4, far outperforming the New York City Teachers Union Charter School, at the 5th percentile.

What  was the "solution" proposed by my friend, a physics professor at a public university?  "Eliminate tenure" he said without hesitation.

The graph of money spent per student, in constant dollars, over the past 40 years, goes up at something like a 45 degree angle.  The PERFORMANCE resulting from this meteoric rise in per pupil spending goes down, for forty years.

Money is inversely correlated with educational performance, so naturally liberals simply clamor for... more  money, as always.  It hasn't worked, but facts never stand in their way.  They're smarter than anyone else, and therefore  better than anyone else.  They tell everyone every single day.

Is that your solution? To talk about gore and Clinton.

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2018, 01:56:12 PM »
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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2018, 03:05:19 PM »
So what’s your solution?

A reasonable person would not have had to ask such a question.  Your reason for doing so was only to continue to stalk and harass me, as a quick review of your most recent posts reveals:

YOUR recent posts, eyephone, are these, by number:

1.
 / Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« on: Today at 11:31:59 AM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on Today at 11:15:54 AM
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Is that your solution? To talk about gore (sic) and Clinton.



2.  Education / Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« on: Today at 10:14:00 AM »
So what’s your solution?

5.  My thread on 

Water Cooler / Re: The Revolting Democrats Just Keep On Revolting
« on: Yesterday at 09:37:26 AM »
Quote from: freedomcm on Yesterday at 07:04:49 AM
Why does the right continue to focus on Hillary, who is no longer relevant, now that trump is in office?

It’s like blaming the company troubles for an employee that left the company a while ago.

You didn’t meet the company’s sales budget last year because of the person who left. Then the reason why you are not meeting the current sales budget because of the person who left.

Stop making excuses.

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« on: April 26, 2018, 06:58:35 PM »
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« on: April 26, 2018, 03:46:03 PM »
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City Hall / Re: Building in Irvine: Too Fast and I’m Furious
« on: April 26, 2018, 03:35:02 PM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 26, 2018, 02:58:30 PM
How exhausting it is for NIMBYs and Leftists to always be offended, and driving  off to protests and council meetings to vent their spleens.....

How about the alt R? They don’t gather with torches or protest?
   

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« on: April 25, 2018, 08:21:21 PM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 25, 2018, 08:05:39 PM
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where's my popcorn?


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City Hall / Re: Mass Transit
« on: April 25, 2018, 01:43:24 PM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 25, 2018, 01:38:27 PM
Quote from: acpme on April 25, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
Amazingly I'm with Star on this one. Mass transit is not the solution. It's a last gen solution and not a next gen one. Also, mass transit works best in major cities centered around a downtown core.

Yes indeed, using common sense and good judgment is "amazing," isn't it.

So do the following cities: Austin, OKC, Durham have bad judgement (sic)  since they are going to have a light rail or already have one? (GOP stronghold)
I’m sure there’s more ....

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Learn the difference between "you're" and "your."  It's sixth grade level English.  Try to master it.    "gore" (sic) is the last name of former Vice President Al Gore. It is a proper name and should be capitalized.  Again, sixth grade level English. 
Even AFTER I showed you how to spell "judgment," you immediately misspelled it in Item #14.  Rather than express an iota of embarrassment at your ongoing  ignorance, I'm sure you will try attacking me again.   It won't work. 

You stalk and harass like a sixth grade bully.  Grow up and act civilly, if you can. It worked when you were a child, and of course it still works on adults who may be vulnerable or insecure.  It won't work on me.  Got it?


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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pm »
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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2018, 06:16:24 PM »
Per pupil spending took a dive in 2008 and schools are slow to recover. I’m definitely not against giving families options and making public schools compete for students, but the funding must be equal for each student.

2017-18 LCFF as stated by CA
IUSD: $8,260/student
TUSD: $8,548
SVUSD: $8,468
SAUSD: $10,653
OUSD: $8,774
CUSD: $8,293

NMUSD and LBUSD are funded by property taxes.

If anything, the data do suggest the inequity and Irvine students should receive the same funding. Just like taxation though, who pays isn’t who benefits.

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2018, 11:34:06 AM »
Anybody on TI has the right to reply to any posts. Thanks for copying and pasting my posts. I just reviewed my posts and I didn’t say anything wrong. Btw - many people liked my posts.

In regards to my spelling. I am on my phone majority of the time. (Many people make mistakes. Not a big deal. As you can tell I don’t use spell check)

Since you brought up the previous conversation about Mimi. Are you going to volunteer for her?  ;)




You have great ideas. Have you consider volunteering for Mimi?

I would in a second.  I love her.




So what’s your solution?

A reasonable person would not have had to ask such a question.  Your reason for doing so was only to continue to stalk and harass me, as a quick review of your most recent posts reveals:

YOUR recent posts, eyephone, are these, by number:

1.
 / Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« on: Today at 11:31:59 AM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on Today at 11:15:54 AM
///
Is that your solution? To talk about gore (sic) and Clinton.



2.  Education / Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« on: Today at 10:14:00 AM »
So what’s your solution?

5.  My thread on 

Water Cooler / Re: The Revolting Democrats Just Keep On Revolting
« on: Yesterday at 09:37:26 AM »
Quote from: freedomcm on Yesterday at 07:04:49 AM
Why does the right continue to focus on Hillary, who is no longer relevant, now that trump is in office?

It’s like blaming the company troubles for an employee that left the company a while ago.

You didn’t meet the company’s sales budget last year because of the person who left. Then the reason why you are not meeting the current sales budget because of the person who left.

Stop making excuses.

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City Hall / Re: Mimi Walters - CA45 Rep missing in action?
« on: April 26, 2018, 06:58:35 PM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 26, 2018, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: eyephone on April 26, 2018, 03:46:03 PM


You have great ideas. Have you consider volunteering for Mimi?

I would in a second.  I love her.

You would. But what’s stopping you?

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City Hall / Re: Mimi Walters - CA45 Rep missing in action?
« on: April 26, 2018, 03:46:03 PM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 26, 2018, 03:44:51 PM
http://i.magaimg.net/img/2ka4.png

$40 from the Magnificent Obama, splendid.  Spectacular.  - Nancy Pelosi 2011

$1,000 from Trump. Crumbs. Pathetic. Insignificant. - Nancy Pelosi 2018

You have great ideas. Have you consider volunteering for Mimi?


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City Hall / Re: Building in Irvine: Too Fast and I’m Furious
« on: April 26, 2018, 03:35:02 PM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 26, 2018, 02:58:30 PM
How exhausting it is for NIMBYs and Leftists to always be offended, and driving  off to protests and council meetings to vent their spleens.....

How about the alt R? They don’t gather with torches or protest?
   

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Water Cooler / Re: President Trump
« on: April 25, 2018, 08:21:21 PM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 25, 2018, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: Kings on April 25, 2018, 04:10:47 PM
where's my popcorn?


Obama was in office for eight years and nothing in Chicago changed.

Poor people have been voting Democrat for fifty years and they're still poor.  - Sir Charles Barkeley, black NBA superstar

And your (sic) not?



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City Hall / Re: Mass Transit
« on: April 25, 2018, 01:43:24 PM »
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 25, 2018, 01:38:27 PM
Quote from: acpme on April 25, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
Amazingly I'm with Star on this one. Mass transit is not the solution. It's a last gen solution and not a next gen one. Also, mass transit works best in major cities centered around a downtown core.

Yes indeed, using common sense and good judgment is "amazing," isn't it.

So do the following cities: Austin, OKC, Durham have bad judgement (sic)  since they are going to have a light rail or already have one? (GOP stronghold)
I’m sure there’s more ....

----------------------------

Learn the difference between "you're" and "your."  It's sixth grade level English.  Try to master it.    "gore" (sic) is the last name of former Vice President Al Gore. It is a proper name and should be capitalized.  Again, sixth grade level English. 
Even AFTER I showed you how to spell "judgment," you immediately misspelled it in Item #14.  Rather than express an iota of embarrassment at your ongoing  ignorance, I'm sure you will try attacking me again.   It won't work. 

You stalk and harass like a sixth grade bully.  Grow up and act civilly, if you can. It worked when you were a child, and of course it still works on adults who may be vulnerable or insecure.  It won't work on me.  Got it?

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2018, 07:47:32 PM »
You can always look at it the other way.

How many children do you want in your kid's class?
How much are you willing to pay to have a good teacher for your kids class?
How dilapidated do you want your school to be?
How much do you want your class spending on technology?

As for charters, i'd hope they'd succeed, Ichan 1 is rivaling Harvard for admission rates.
 
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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2018, 08:14:39 AM »
You can always look at it the other way.

How many children do you want in your kid's class?
How much are you willing to pay to have a good teacher for your kids class?
How dilapidated do you want your school to be?
How much do you want your class spending on technology?

As for charters, i'd hope they'd succeed, Ichan 1 is rivaling Harvard for admission rates.

1.  Show me studies for educational performance versus class size. 
I could personally educate fifty kids in a class and do a better job than the educrats who have been screwing things up for decades.

2.  The CORRELATION between spending and educational performance is worse than 0.
It is negative.  The more money we give to them, the worse job they do.

3.  Take a picture of the most "dilapidated" classroom in Irvine and post it here.

4.  All of us reading this were educated WITHOUT "technology."  We read books and wrote with pencil and paper.  Try it some time.  The Kansas Experiment conclusively proved that money is ineffective.  They spent a billion dollars and achieved nothing.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pm »
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Hey StarmanMBA - go fuck yourself :-)

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2018, 09:24:22 AM »
You can always look at it the other way.

How many children do you want in your kid's class?
How much are you willing to pay to have a good teacher for your kids class?
How dilapidated do you want your school to be?
How much do you want your class spending on technology?

As for charters, i'd hope they'd succeed, Ichan 1 is rivaling Harvard for admission rates.

1.  Show me studies for educational performance versus class size. 
I could personally educate fifty kids in a class and do a better job than the educrats who have been screwing things up for decades.

2.  The CORRELATION between spending and educational performance is worse than 0.
It is negative.  The more money we give to them, the worse job they do.

3.  Take a picture of the most "dilapidated" classroom in Irvine and post it here.

4.  All of us reading this were educated WITHOUT "technology."  We read books and wrote with pencil and paper.  Try it some time.  The Kansas Experiment conclusively proved that money is ineffective.  They spent a billion dollars and achieved nothing.

Nice dodge, how much do you want to pay an effective teacher for your kids?




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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2018, 11:42:57 AM »

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/04/25/605092520/high-paying-trade-jobs-sit-empty-while-high-school-grads-line-up-for-university

$50K is poverty in Irvine

He's still in training while earning $50k/year.  The bright kids attending private colleges are paying $50k/year, so after 4 years they are $400,000 behind the ironworker.  Plus he will retire sooner with a pension and they won't.

It would be interesting to see an economist determine how many years, on average, after graduation to break even with the iron worker.

I worked while in college and graduated with $200k in the bank with no student debt.

Very few students pay for college with 100% student debt. Those that do are foolish as you say.
Pure curiosity, and you don't need to share, how did you possibly earn $200K working through college?  What job were you working that paid that much, net of tuition/housing costs. I'm presuming you had no housing costs (and were living at home)? 

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2018, 11:47:11 AM »
You can always look at it the other way.

How many children do you want in your kid's class?
How much are you willing to pay to have a good teacher for your kids class?
How dilapidated do you want your school to be?
How much do you want your class spending on technology?

As for charters, i'd hope they'd succeed, Ichan 1 is rivaling Harvard for admission rates.

1.  Show me studies for educational performance versus class size. 
I could personally educate fifty kids in a class and do a better job than the educrats who have been screwing things up for decades.

2.  The CORRELATION between spending and educational performance is worse than 0.
It is negative.  The more money we give to them, the worse job they do.

3.  Take a picture of the most "dilapidated" classroom in Irvine and post it here.

4.  All of us reading this were educated WITHOUT "technology."  We read books and wrote with pencil and paper.  Try it some time.  The Kansas Experiment conclusively proved that money is ineffective.  They spent a billion dollars and achieved nothing.

Nice dodge, how much do you want to pay an effective teacher for your kids?

Currently, public school teachers earn more (sometimes much more) than private school teachers do.  Let's start by paying them market rate for their services and then go from there.

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2018, 12:03:53 PM »
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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2018, 12:18:07 PM »
Currently, public school teachers earn more (sometimes much more) than private school teachers do.  Let's start by paying them market rate for their services and then go from there.

Based on the difficulty filling STEM and special ed teaching roles by the schools, as evidenced by the continuing unfilled openings, it seems to me that the market rate is insufficient to attract quality candidates.

Are you in favor of increasing pay for these teachers?

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2018, 12:24:52 PM »
Currently, public school teachers earn more (sometimes much more) than private school teachers do.  Let's start by paying them market rate for their services and then go from there.

Based on the difficulty filling STEM and special ed teaching roles by the schools, as evidenced by the continuing unfilled openings, it seems to me that the market rate is insufficient to attract quality candidates.

Are you in favor of increasing pay for these teachers?

Specialized skills should be rewarded accordingly.

 

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