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More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« on: April 26, 2018, 07:34:08 AM »
Educational achievement across the board continues to decline, even as billions of dollars more have been handed over to greedy educrats.  College students spend 2.76 hours per day on all education activities, including classes and homework.

Students majoring in feminist (sic) studies and other whiny, useless non-disciplines increased 300% since 1990.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/11/study-college-students-spend-far-time-playing-studying/

The study is eighteen months old, but was recently cited on cable news.

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pm »
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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2018, 01:43:05 PM »
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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2018, 02:45:31 PM »
I like how you have tried to club WB with SG--which are two grades different 😄. You know--which one is higher

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2018, 03:07:47 PM »

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/04/25/605092520/high-paying-trade-jobs-sit-empty-while-high-school-grads-line-up-for-university

$50K is poverty in Irvine

He's still in training while earning $50k/year.  The bright kids attending private colleges are paying $50k/year, so after 4 years they are $400,000 behind the ironworker.  Plus he will retire sooner with a pension and they won't.

It would be interesting to see an economist determine how many years, on average, after graduation to break even with the iron worker.

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2018, 09:33:53 PM »

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/04/25/605092520/high-paying-trade-jobs-sit-empty-while-high-school-grads-line-up-for-university

$50K is poverty in Irvine

He's still in training while earning $50k/year.  The bright kids attending private colleges are paying $50k/year, so after 4 years they are $400,000 behind the ironworker.  Plus he will retire sooner with a pension and they won't.

It would be interesting to see an economist determine how many years, on average, after graduation to break even with the iron worker.

I worked while in college and graduated with $200k in the bank with no student debt.

Very few students pay for college with 100% student debt. Those that do are foolish as you say.

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2018, 07:51:50 AM »
I worked while in college and graduated with $200k in the bank with no student debt.

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2018, 09:22:15 AM »
I just listened to yet another pathetic political announcement by the California Teachers Association on the radio.  They wailed about "billionaires Donald Trump and Betsy DeVos."
They lied that "charter schools lack accountability."  What they MEAN is that charter schools don't answer to CTA bureaucrats, who have been dumbing down education for decades.   Charter and private schools work SO WELL, that parents are clamoring to get their children into them.

In fact, charter and private schools are SO GOOD that public school teachers send their children to them at a higher percentage than does the public at large.  Michelle and Barack Obama sent their girls to a private school, all the while proclaiming the virtues of public schools that weren't good enough for THEIR kids.  But then Bill and Hillary and Al and Tipper Gore did the very same thing.

Hypocrisy is a mantle worn by the Left that will remain forever.

The New York City school district provided a rating of schools showing that the charter school run by the teachers union was in the 5th percentile of performance.

FOUR charter schools run by billionaire Carl Icahn were in the 88th up to the 100th percentile in achievement. 

There is a lesson for those who think and learn.  For the rest, educrats in particular, keep on moving.  Nothing to see here.

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2018, 09:37:58 AM »
He's still in training while earning $50k/year.  The bright kids attending private colleges are paying $50k/year, so after 4 years they are $400,000 behind the ironworker.  Plus he will retire sooner with a pension and they won't.

It would be interesting to see an economist determine how many years, on average, after graduation to break even with the iron worker.

I worked while in college and graduated with $200k in the bank with no student debt.

Very few students pay for college with 100% student debt. Those that do are foolish as you say.

I worked and graduated with no debt either, but then I went to a very affordable Cal State.

But I wasn't talking about debt in my post.  I was simply talking about the cost of attending.  The ironworker is getting paid $50k/year for their education and the high achiever is paying $50k for theirs.  After 4 years that's a $400k difference.

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2018, 09:51:24 AM »
I just listened to yet another pathetic political announcement by the California Teachers Association on the radio.  They wailed about "billionaires Donald Trump and Betsy DeVos."
They lied that "charter schools lack accountability."  What they MEAN is that charter schools don't answer to CTA bureaucrats, who have been dumbing down education for decades. 

In fact, charter and private schools are SO GOOD that public school teachers send their children to them at a higher percentage than does the public at large.  Michelle and Barack Obama sent their girls to a private school, all the while proclaiming the virtues of public schools that weren't good enough for THEIR kids.  But then Bill and Hillary and Al ad Tipper Gore did the very same thing.

Hypocrisy is a mantle worn by the Left that will remain forever.

The New York City school district provided a rating of schools showing that the charter school run by the teachers union was in the 5th percentile of performance.

FOUR charter schools run by billionaire Carl Icahn were in the 88th up to the 100th percentile in achievement. 

There is a lesson for those who think and learn.  For the rest, educrats in particular, keep on moving.  Nothing to see here.



The CTA is slowly losing this battle.  Residents of areas with poor schools are fed up and don't care what the CTA/Dems have to say.  They want better options.

In LA/OC, school attendance numbers have been steadily dropping mainly due to the lack of housing affordability - families are moving inland or out of state - but poor performing public schools are also getting hit with the double whammy of charter schools taking their students as well.

The hiring practices at most schools around here is to offer a temporary contract that can be renewed after a year, because they have to be careful not to overhire teachers.  Luckily, at the moment Baby Boomers are retiring en masse and that is creating a lot of open positions even as the total number of teacher positions declines.  It's actually creating a shortage of teachers at the moment, but as this trend continues there will eventually be an oversupply of teachers again that won't be able to find work.

Luckily, my wife will be eligible to retire at age 51 with 50% of her very generous salary, so I won't need to worry about it.  8)

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2018, 10:44:36 PM »
Don’t forget that CA is continuing to throw money at the underperforming schools with the current Local Control Funding Formula. Schools with certain challenging demographics are receiving a 30% increase in funding without showing improving scores. People need to wake up and see how unequal the funding between districts actually is. The higher tax areas should be demanding an equal share for their schools instead of subsidizing other areas.

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Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2018, 09:30:37 AM »
Don’t forget that CA is continuing to throw money at the underperforming schools with the current Local Control Funding Formula. Schools with certain challenging demographics are receiving a 30% increase in funding without showing improving scores. People need to wake up and see how unequal the funding between districts actually is. The higher tax areas should be demanding an equal share for their schools instead of subsidizing other areas.

Irvine Teachers Association habitually argues that Irvine is underfunded, compared to other districts.   Sure, performance is outstanding, but money, money, money.

Underperforming districts make the reciprocal argument.  "We need more money to teach them better."  Oh and "We need more ESL teachers and materials, and SMALLER CLASSROOMS!"

John Stossel confronted a New York City educrat and said "Give me a class full of underperformers and see what I do with them." 

"Sure we will," lied the educrats.

At another meeting, the Educrat in Charge stood before his fawning teachers' union and said, "I'd like to see somebody else take our poorest performing students and bring their scores up!"

A stately nun stood up slowly and said, "On behalf of the Catholic Archodiocese, I accept your offer."

Never to be embarrassed by being outdone, the chief educrat refused to do what he said in his petty challenge.

The teachers union charter school performs in the 5th percentile.   The four Icahn Charter Schools perform in the 88th, 96th, 99th, and 100th percentiles.

Oh my, this nasty "billionaire" knows nothing about education, does he.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pm »
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