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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2018, 02:34:13 PM »
Irvine has the ridiculous iShuttle, which runs empty, from the airport  to the rail terminal in Tustin.  It collects roughly 1/2 cent for every dollar of operating cost. 
Taxpayers suck up the difference. 

"Light" (sic) rail is worse by orders of magnitude.  "Light" (sick) rail costs $100 to $300 million per mile to build.  Factor that in your "cheap" comments.


Buses can do the same thing and change their routes in a day.  But here's the crazy part:  OCTA is cutting routes and service for lack of passengers.

Why don't all you progressive preachers take the bus and stop driving.

The other thread you complain about the traffic. Now your complaining about mass transit to help out the traffic.
Is there something I am missing?


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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2018, 02:39:03 PM »
Irvine has the ridiculous iShuttle, which runs empty, from the airport  to the rail terminal in Tustin.  It collects roughly 1/2 cent for every dollar of operating cost. 
Taxpayers suck up the difference. 

"Light" (sic) rail is worse by orders of magnitude.  "Light" (sick) rail costs $100 to $300 million per mile to build.  Factor that in your "cheap" comments.


Buses can do the same thing and change their routes in a day.  But here's the crazy part:  OCTA is cutting routes and service for lack of passengers.

Why don't all you progressive preachers take the bus and stop driving.

The other thread you complain about the traffic. Now your complaining about mass transit to help out the traffic.
Is there something I am missing?

I mean if the liberals just move out of Irvine...everything will be fixed!

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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2018, 08:15:17 PM »



Bus riders and poor people have no political clout so they always get squeezed out by the funding. 

"No political clout."  Yeah, right.  California gives full ride scholarships to illegal aliens.
California is now paying legal bills to defend illegal aliens in court.  California is advising illegals on how to apply for political asylum. California is spending MILLIONS for housing for bums on the street, many of who don't want to work, or who are alcoholic or drug addicts.  When buses have one or two people on them, maybe you think they should continue driving around.  Why don't you take  them in your car, Mister Kind Heart?
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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2018, 09:26:39 AM »
Irvine has the ridiculous iShuttle, which runs empty, from the airport  to the rail terminal in Tustin.  It collects roughly 1/2 cent for every dollar of operating cost. 
Taxpayers suck up the difference. 

"Light" (sic) rail is worse by orders of magnitude.  "Light" (sick) rail costs $100 to $300 million per mile to build.  Factor that in your "cheap" comments.


Buses can do the same thing and change their routes in a day.  But here's the crazy part:  OCTA is cutting routes and service for lack of passengers.

Why don't all you progressive preachers take the bus and stop driving.

The other thread you complain about the traffic. Now your complaining about mass transit to help out the traffic.
Is there something I am missing?



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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2018, 09:31:34 AM »
Simply put

Money spent on things I like = " Investment "

Money spent on things (or people) I don't like = " Wasteful spending "

you can boil down pretty much 95% of the right wing arguments to this simple thesis

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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2018, 10:14:35 AM »
Irvine has the ridiculous iShuttle, which runs empty, from the airport  to the rail terminal in Tustin.  It collects roughly 1/2 cent for every dollar of operating cost. 
Taxpayers suck up the difference. 

"Light" (sic) rail is worse by orders of magnitude.  "Light" (sick) rail costs $100 to $300 million per mile to build.  Factor that in your "cheap" comments.


Buses can do the same thing and change their routes in a day.  But here's the crazy part:  OCTA is cutting routes and service for lack of passengers.

Why don't all you progressive preachers take the bus and stop driving.

The other thread you complain about the traffic. Now your (sic) complaining about mass transit to help out the traffic.
Is there something I am missing?

Yes, a very great deal. 
1.  In "the other thread," I pointed out the laughable hypocrisy of NIMBYs.  Obviously you missed the point, most likely because YOU are a NIMBY.
2.  Mass traffic doesn't "help out the traffic," as you pretend.  Here's why:
A.  As I said, but you ignored or failed to comprehend, the iShuttle runs EMPTY, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.   It costs taxpayers millions, not that you care. 
B.  Buses run EMPTY, all over Orange County.  OCTA is cutting back on routes because they are bleeding badly, not that you care.  You wear your progressive mantle as if it makes you superior to everyone else, and smarter than everyone else, and more "caring" than everyone else.
C. Hypocrites who complain about new developments and demand "public transportation" continue to drive their kids to school and countless activities.  They drive to Great (sic) Park activities by the score.  They drive to all manner of activities in and around Irvine, while complaining about... the traffic.    You don't get it, do you?

It's called HYPOCRISY. Look it up.  Then ride your bike or walk places instead of driving.
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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2018, 10:45:03 AM »
Amazingly I'm with Star on this one. Mass transit is not the solution. It's a last gen solution and not a next gen one. Also, mass transit works best in major cities centered around a downtown core. It's a hub and spoke that brings people from the burbs into the center where commerce is concentrated. This is why the subway hasn't worked that well in LA because everything runs through DTLA, which isn't really the true center of the metro area, if there is one at all.

What does any system in Irvine look like? Is the main thoroughfare Culver? Jamboree? What about the center of gravity shifting even more east? If any sort of light rail ends up looking like a grid, then it becomes too expensive to build and slower to ride due to the sheer number of transfers required to get from point to point.

Not to mention that rideshare already has disrupted public transit and driverless tech could disrupt further sooner rather than later.
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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2018, 10:50:03 AM »
I’m talking big scale (big time if you know what I mean), not a small shuttle service. It’s okay for Austin, OKC, Durham to in the early stages or have a light rail? (they reside in conservative states)

I’m not sure if you follow my posts. But I think we should help the Veterans. (never leave a man behind) People donate to help wild animals and we help other people in other countries. How about the people in our country?

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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2018, 11:00:15 AM »
Amazingly I'm with Star on this one. Mass transit is not the solution. It's a last gen solution and not a next gen one. Also, mass transit works best in major cities centered around a downtown core. It's a hub and spoke that brings people from the burbs into the center where commerce is concentrated. This is why the subway hasn't worked that well in LA because everything runs through DTLA, which isn't really the true center of the metro area, if there is one at all.

What does any system in Irvine look like? Is the main thoroughfare Culver? Jamboree? What about the center of gravity shifting even more east? If any sort of light rail ends up looking like a grid, then it becomes too expensive to build and slower to ride due to the sheer number of transfers required to get from point to point.

Not to mention that rideshare already has disrupted public transit and driverless tech could disrupt further sooner rather than later.

That's not true at all.  While having a central business center is important...it is not a critical part of subway system.  NYC has Wall Street but also a number of other locations that are well connected...people just take it to get around.  It's the same in Asia, Chicago, and a ton of other places. 

LA subway is not get working to full effect because doesn't go anywhere (yet) and the city was not build around a metro system.   That is going to change soon. 

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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2018, 11:07:59 AM »
I’m talking big scale (big time if you know what I mean), not a small shuttle service. It’s okay for Austin, OKC, Durham to in the early stages or have a light rail? (they reside in conservative states)

I don't know Durham but Austin and OKC have downtowns. Austin in particular has a growing, walkable, amenitized downtown which is a convergence of commerce, government, and a major university just a stones throw away. There's a huge parking problem in Austin as sites that used to be parking have given way to office, condo, or apartment high rises. Public transit makes sense in this scenario and its impossible to drive in and park downtown, especially when there's big events going on in the city. Even then I wonder what transportation technology is like by the time the system is actually in place.

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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2018, 11:08:18 AM »
What do you consider working?  Running profitably?  Being ridden?  Replacing cars?

Every time I've climbed on the Long Beach blue line, it's standing room and I'm not riding at rush hour.  The Green line when I rode at rush hour wasn't just 'standing room, it was squeeze into the car room.

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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2018, 11:16:20 AM »
Amazingly I'm with Star on this one. Mass transit is not the solution. It's a last gen solution and not a next gen one. Also, mass transit works best in major cities centered around a downtown core. It's a hub and spoke that brings people from the burbs into the center where commerce is concentrated. This is why the subway hasn't worked that well in LA because everything runs through DTLA, which isn't really the true center of the metro area, if there is one at all.

What does any system in Irvine look like? Is the main thoroughfare Culver? Jamboree? What about the center of gravity shifting even more east? If any sort of light rail ends up looking like a grid, then it becomes too expensive to build and slower to ride due to the sheer number of transfers required to get from point to point.

Not to mention that rideshare already has disrupted public transit and driverless tech could disrupt further sooner rather than later.

That's not true at all.  While having a central business center is important...it is not a critical part of subway system.  NYC has Wall Street but also a number of other locations that are well connected...people just take it to get around.  It's the same in Asia, Chicago, and a ton of other places. 

LA subway is not get working to full effect because doesn't go anywhere (yet) and the city was not build around a metro system.   That is going to change soon.

The CBD of NYC is pretty much all Manhattan. It's worth noting most financial services, aka Wall St, is all over the city but most heavily clustered around Midtown, not Wall St. Having said that, financial tenants are starting to move all over the city and care less about a Park Ave address because the talent is more spread around the city as opposed to all commuting into the city from Upstate and Connecticut. For example, the number of firms moving to Hudson Yards on the far west side of Manhattan, 2-3 avenues away from any subway stop, tells you that employers don't think transit oriented locations matter that much anymore.

MTA is seeing falling ridership and struggling with revenue (other reasons here, but ridership is a big issue) because of Uber. No city in this day and age should be modeling their future transit system on NYC's (actually technically the MTA is run by the state - another can of worms!)
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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2018, 11:30:09 AM »
Too many belligerent, mentally ill, unhygienic, creepy, and just plain unpleasant riders on MTA. MTA used to be called LA County RTD, which according to Ice Cube meant "Rough, Tough, and Dangerous."

I'll drive my car, thanks.

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Re: Mass Transit
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2018, 11:54:46 AM »
Pitbulls are the most violent breed of dog when it comes to attacks on humans.  A lot of homeowners insurance policies have specific exclusions for pitbulls due to how violent they are.  With all of the irresponsible dog owners out there, I believe they should be outlawed.
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