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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2018, 05:19:43 PM »
GP has no public transportation, little infrastructure, and no jobs.  There is little chance that this actually happens.  Laguna Niguel has already threatened litigation and Irvine will be following closely behind.  Why setup the homeless to fail in such a poorly matched location?
Actually, the main OCTA bus yard is on the edge of the GP on Sand Canyon and Marine Way. It's been there for decades back when MCAS El Toro was in the middle of nowhere so was a cheap place for OCTA to store their buses. GP would probably be the least expensive place for OCTA to extend a bus line since their buses depart from there every morning and return there every night.

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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2018, 05:40:03 PM »
I thought the county was more interested in building condos and retail along the 100 acre strip. Or is this a scorched earth move, i.e. stop suing to block our development or we'll drop a homeless encampment there instead.

Gated communities would be less affected, hard to push a shopping cart past the guards.
I think 5P would prefer the site to be a homeless encampment rather than face competition from non 5P retail, office, and hotel which would cut into 5P's long term leasing profits.

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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2018, 06:03:02 PM »
GP has no public transportation, little infrastructure, and no jobs.  There is little chance that this actually happens.  Laguna Niguel has already threatened litigation and Irvine will be following closely behind.  Why setup the homeless to fail in such a poorly matched location?
Actually, the main OCTA bus yard is on the edge of the GP on Sand Canyon and Marine Way. It's been there for decades back when MCAS El Toro was in the middle of nowhere so was a cheap place for OCTA to store their buses. GP would probably be the least expensive place for OCTA to extend a bus line since their buses depart from there every morning and return there every night.

You know what's the least expensive way for OCTA to transport people?  Using existing bus lines and existing bus stops, not extending bus lines so that bus drivers (at the end of a long shift) are transporting a bus filled with tired homeless people back to a shelter in the dark. 

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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2018, 07:12:34 PM »
So when is IHS going to chime in and say this homeless encampment is a conspiracy organized by TIC?

Weather IHS chimes in or not, I am convinced that very high level of politics going on here, potentially with lotsa $$$$ involved. It could be TIC, It could be other cities, or who knows what. Hopefully, City and residents of Irvine will fight this tooth and nail.

Anywhere else in socal, are there such shelters right next to world-class amenity? I haven't been around much so I don't know. Bet, this could be a good data point in projecting the future of this site.

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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2018, 07:31:54 PM »
Wonder which will rile up the locals more than the other - a homeless dumping ground encampment or a veterans cemetery. Time will tell.

The NIMBY factor would be greatly reduced if there were real housing and frankly strict access limits imposed on the site. If IPD would stop and frisk everyone coming in and out of the shelter area, nonsense levels might be reduced by half.

A saying I've kept dear to my heart applies in this case - "You are only 5 or 6 decisions away from becoming those you look down on". The truly homeless need a help during a rough patch that could come upon anyone, including me, at any time. The addicted and those who live outside by choice are another story and need a much different treatment approach than just free housing. If run properly, I'd not hesitate to live near a homeless services shelter. The key phrase is "run properly" and there's little chance of that through the State or County.

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Agree with you 110 %. While we all work hard and strive to better ourselves, there are forces of nature at times will put you down and under without warning. Such events could be natural disaster could make a person or family homeless. A sudden fire, or a winter storm flooding could put you at risk in this scenario. While unfortunate, most normal sound minded people have such a plan to mitigate a lengthy homelessness. 

People with persistent mental illness and substance-use disorders make up a disproportionately high percentage of Anaheim rivers homeless. Providing long term free housing isn't going to help. Even if the OC county succeed in winning the "right to build", where they are intended to build, they have failed already. They failed in solving the issues many years ago even when lands and materials are cheap, it puzzled me to believe they will succeed this time. Especially in the locations and conditions of the proposed shelter.

OC County supervisors board playing politics and not doing policies to eliminates homelessness. By calling Irvine, Laguna and Huntington beach, they are just yelling for attentions. Looks I am doing something,,,,succeed or not. Likely to be a failed attempt, because too many hurdles to cross.

Sure they got some attention, but free housing is not the answer to homelessness.

I beg to differ, respectfully.

John Doe is an ok employee at an ok organization. Sheer bad luck and he get fired from the job, evicted from his apt, and his car gets repo all on the same day. At this point, he is truly at a risk of becoming homeless. But, you already see signs of bad decisions, one after the other. He still has a chance, he can get his act together and get a burger flipping job, work diligently and at least make a living, not become homeless.

Becoming homeless requires special skills and unusual levels of irresponsibility. Same goes with addicts. Don't know much about mentally ill, there could be legit reasons why they remain homeless and why we as a good society should pitch in to extend help.

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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2018, 08:57:51 PM »
Wonder which will rile up the locals more than the other - a homeless dumping ground encampment or a veterans cemetery. Time will tell.

The NIMBY factor would be greatly reduced if there were real housing and frankly strict access limits imposed on the site. If IPD would stop and frisk everyone coming in and out of the shelter area, nonsense levels might be reduced by half.

A saying I've kept dear to my heart applies in this case - "You are only 5 or 6 decisions away from becoming those you look down on". The truly homeless need a help during a rough patch that could come upon anyone, including me, at any time. The addicted and those who live outside by choice are another story and need a much different treatment approach than just free housing. If run properly, I'd not hesitate to live near a homeless services shelter. The key phrase is "run properly" and there's little chance of that through the State or County.

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I think we need a good accounting for how many are choosing drugs and or crime versus those losing to happenstance. And then younhave the just dripping out contingent.

As of late, ive been feeling 90/5/5 is sounding generous.

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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2018, 11:06:29 PM »
http://www.irvinecitynews.com/city/proposed-tent-village-in-irvine

"Supervisor Spitzer, who spent several years in law enforcement, opened the special hearing by pointing out a motivation of Supervisor Shawn Nelson, charging that his colleague is attempting to "leverage" the city into approving the county's plan for a major mixed use development plan on the 100 acres where the homeless camp would be located. Irvine has filed a lawsuit to block the plan and Spitzer contends Nelson is now firing back by threatening to build the homeless camp on the site."

Just as I predicted. Drop that lawsuit or we will REALLY use the land for "government" use...

The city has a choice. Homeless camp or commercial/retail center competing against TIC/5P. The choice is easy.
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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2018, 11:10:46 PM »
Time to lawyer up!


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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2018, 11:57:25 PM »
I just watched nearly all 2 hours of the city council meeting. After watching both sides of the story, wow, some people literally came out swinging... especially the Executive Director of the OC Poverty Alleviation Coalition.  Man this boy just came out SWINGING hard.... you guys should watch his performance.  Mad props to him!
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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2018, 07:27:55 AM »
This is a problem that rich affluent folks just turned a blind eye, an atrocious act in the name of humanity and God's eyes. It took the power of a Judge to stand up for what's right after having these folks get arrested, charges dropped, and re-arrested again and again, backlogging the court's system. It's a waste of public resources for officers to go out there and arrest these folks who are not even criminal.

It's time that the rich white folks get together, sit down in a Marriott conference room with Hors d'oeuvres served to figure out this problem. The way I see it, if people are spending tens of thousands of dollars just throwing it down the drain in the name of "Mello Roos" without asking for any accountability, then I think these folks can afford to spend a few more bucks to house them in some fine shelters at the Great Park. Let the rich eat this one and the middle class continue to donate to Goodwill.

And let's not get started about why the county officials tried to hide all this money. If I was the Judge, I would have them charged for obstruction.

A lawsuit is just useless. It will shift taxpayers money into the coffers of the lawyers.

This is why I do business (groceries, car shopping, getting gas, restaurants, haircut) outside the city of Irvine. These imbeciles spending tax money like pouring water down the drain.

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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2018, 08:14:36 AM »
We should plan a rally at OC civic center shaming supervisors for playing such dirty games.

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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2018, 08:22:44 AM »
Looks like putting a school right next to all county-owned parcels in Irvine is an excellent idea. Let them try to mess with school and try to put commercial/homeless shelter right next door.

Irvine should break ground for new school on Marine way this weekend. :P

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Re: Homeless camps coming to Irvine
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2018, 08:38:42 AM »
We should plan a rally at OC civic center shaming supervisors for playing such dirty games.

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