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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2018, 03:14:06 PM »

Please tell me how withholding valuable information like when this criminal illegal alien, who mind you just committed vehicular homicide while driving drunk, was to be released after being allowed to post bond is in the interest of protecting lawful american citizens?

How is that any different than a lawful american citizen committing vehicular homicide?  Public safety wise...it is no different.  Unless you can show me that illegal immigrants commit more crimes than the average American population, it's a moot argument.

State and local officials cooperating with immigration lead to less community cooperation.


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Illegals commit crimes at double the rate of native-born: Study

The crime rate among illegal immigrants in Arizona is twice that of other residents, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday, citing a new report based on conviction data.

The report, from the Crime Prevention Research Center, used a previously untapped set of data from Arizona that detailed criminal convictions and found that illegal immigrants between 15 and 35 are less than 3 percent of the state’s population, but nearly 8 percent of its prison population.

And the crimes they were convicted of were, on the whole, more serious, said John R. Lott Jr., the report’s author and president of the research center.

His findings also challenge the general narrative that immigrants commit fewer crimes. Those past studies usually don’t look at legal versus illegal populations, Mr. Lott said.

Mr. Lott said the Arizona data is able to peek behind that curtain, and the differences between the populations were stark.

“There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” Mr. Lott said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population. The reverse is true for undocumented immigrants — they are committing crimes, and more serious crimes.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/26/illegals-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2018, 03:26:41 PM »
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/26/illegals-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/

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Even if we assume that 100 percent of the prisoner overcount in the June 2017 ADC database were U.S. citizens, subtract them from the denominator, and leave the numerator that assumes that all prisoners with an ICE detainer were illegal immigrants, those illegal immigrants would still be a maximum of only 4.3 percent of all prisoners. In 2014, the last year for which Pew published its estimates of the illegal immigrant population by state, there were about 325,000 illegal immigrants in Arizona who comprised 4.9 percent of the state’s population. Since the population of illegal immigrants has held steady since then, the illegal immigrant incarceration rate was likely lower than their percent of the Arizona state population in 2017 (Figure 1). It is important to repeat that those with ICE detainers are not all illegal immigrants so the percentages in Figure 1 are the maximum possible shares of illegal immigrants in Arizona prisons in June 2017, depending on the two different estimates of the total size of the incarcerated population.

https://www.cato.org/blog/fatal-flaw-john-r-lott-jrs-study-illegal-immigrant-crime-arizona

And John Lott is less than credible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

Oh...this assumes that Arizona law enforcement is not profiling.  Cuz we all know there is no racial or social bias in our criminal justice system.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2018, 03:40:13 PM »
The Battle is joined...

Orange County votes to join lawsuit against California sanctuary law

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/27/orange-county-votes-to-join-lawsuit-against-california-sanctuary-law/
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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2018, 04:13:01 PM »
Te Battle is joined...

Orange County votes to join lawsuit against California sanctuary law

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/27/orange-county-votes-to-join-lawsuit-against-california-sanctuary-law/

Yeah cuz the Federal government needed more help.  What a waste of money by OC.

Curious to see who is up for re-election.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2018, 04:15:36 PM »
One thing I want to ask the oc supervisors. Where’s the public transportation?

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2018, 02:30:18 PM »
Probably an illegal

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man driving recklessly at high speeds was tracked down by officers and shot by Anaheim police.

An Anaheim police helicopter was tracking the driver, who was driving at speeds exceeding 100 mph on the 405 Freeway Tuesday night.

Before police could catch up to him, he crashed on the 405 Freeway at Jamboree Road in Irvine. About 20 minutes later, the suspect was located near the Von Karman Avenue overpass, investigators said, and that's when the shooting happened.

The suspect, identified as 24-year-old Kenneth John Yamashita-Magarro, was rushed to a local hospital, where he remains in critical condition.

http://abc7.com/reckless-driving-suspect-crashes-shot-by-police-in-irvine/3271964/

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2018, 08:52:58 AM »
Another illegal from one of those sh*thole countries

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An 18-year-old exchange student from Taiwan was arrested Tuesday night for allegedly "threatening to shoot up" a Pennsylvania high school, local police said this morning.

According to the Upper Darby Police, the suspect, An Tso Sun, had a slew of items in his home including: a military-style ballistic vest; high-powered crossbow with scope and light; arrows; 29 rounds of 9mm ammunition; a strangling device; a "military" ski mask; and ear protectors for firing.

Authorities also found a school-issued iPad that allegedly showed Sun was searching weapons like AK-47s and AR-15s, said Michael Chitwood, superintendent of Upper Darby Police.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/exchange-student-arrested-pennsylvania-allegedly-threatening-shoot-high-174803336--abc-news-topstories.html

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2018, 11:32:28 AM »

Actual hard data and facts ... not some b/s because you just "feel" it has to be true or because your crazy old uncle posted a brietbart link  on facebook


The Myth of the Criminal Immigrant


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Immigrant population
+109% since 1980
in typical metro area

Violent crime rate
-23% since 1980

In a majority of areas, the number of immigrants increased at least 57 percent and as much as 183 percent, with the greatest increases occurring in the 1990s and early 2000s. Violent crime rates in most areas ranged between a 43 percent decline and a 6 percent rise, often trending downward by the 2000s. Places with a sharp rise in the immigrant population experienced increases in crime rates no more frequently than those with modest or no growth in immigration. On average, the immigrant population grew by 137 percent between 1980 and 2016, with average crime falling 12 percent over the same period.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2018, 02:24:27 PM »
Nobody has argued that immigrants commit crimes at a higher rate, so fortune11 is posting a strawman in order to muddy the waters.

Illegal aliens do commit crimes at a higher rate, which is why fortune11 and Irvinecommuter choose to live in Irvine and not Santa Ana.  To them, it is worth the risk to others if they can get all the benefits of cheap, illegal labor without any of the drawbacks.  This is limousine liberal thinking.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2018, 02:38:26 PM »
Nobody has argued that immigrants commit crimes at a higher rate, so fortune11 is posting a strawman in order to muddy the waters.

Illegal aliens do commit crimes at a higher rate, which is why fortune11 and Irvinecommuter choose to live in Irvine and not Santa Ana.  To them, it is worth the risk to others if they can get all the benefits of cheap, illegal labor without any of the drawbacks.  This is limousine liberal thinking.

Man I wish I had a limousine

But since you are so sure about everything , do you have any data to support these rants ?

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2018, 02:40:52 PM »
Nobody has argued that immigrants commit crimes at a higher rate, so fortune11 is posting a strawman in order to muddy the waters.

Illegal aliens do commit crimes at a higher rate, which is why fortune11 and Irvinecommuter choose to live in Irvine and not Santa Ana.  To them, it is worth the risk to others if they can get all the benefits of cheap, illegal labor without any of the drawbacks.  This is limousine liberal thinking.

/eyeroll
 
Wow...I mean how can I argue against that.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2018, 03:18:01 PM »

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2018, 03:48:05 PM »
Nobody has argued that immigrants commit crimes at a higher rate, so fortune11 is posting a strawman in order to muddy the waters.

Illegal aliens do commit crimes at a higher rate, which is why fortune11 and Irvinecommuter choose to live in Irvine and not Santa Ana.  To them, it is worth the risk to others if they can get all the benefits of cheap, illegal labor without any of the drawbacks.  This is limousine liberal thinking.

Man I wish I had a limousine

But since you are so sure about everything , do you have any data to support these rants ?

I worked at a trauma center and the members of the knife and gun clubs we kept sewing back up (on your dime and mine) so they could come visit us again spoke not a word of English and all lived in Santa Ana. Their families knew this......... No English, No English. Interpreter Por Favor!

No white boys for us.

And then I worked in a Birthing Center in Anaheim and we got all the baby mommas who spoke no English either. Many came in with no prenatal care and the doctors said they just got to the states just in time to have their babies......... again on your dime and mine.

I didn't need statistics to figure out who was paying for what and where these people were coming from.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2018, 04:12:38 PM »
Going by this logic , someone who comes into contact with good ol white boys in executive suites ripping the common joe and the taxpayer (this is more common than you think btw) would conclude that crime rate among rich white men was worse than illegal immigrants ??

See what happens when we let our personal baggage color our view of the world and reject hard facts and objectivity ?

Many people of color and immigrants (especially Asians ) fall prey to this line of thinking more than even whites sometimes. 

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2018, 04:26:49 PM »
Going by this logic , someone who comes into contact with good ol white boys in executive suites ripping the common joe and the taxpayer (this is more common than you think btw) would conclude that crime rate among rich white men was worse than illegal immigrants ??

See what happens when we let our personal baggage color our view of the world and reject hard facts and objectivity ?

Many people of color and immigrants (especially Asians ) fall prey to this line of thinking more than even whites sometimes.

I mean one in seven Asian immigrants in the United States is an illegal immigrant...

http://aapidata.com/blog/asian-undoc-1in7/

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/08/517561046/how-americas-idea-of-illegal-immigration-doesnt-always-match-reality

 

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