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"Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« on: March 07, 2018, 04:07:30 PM »
You all know how much I love Kaos. Well we now have it, and right on our front door, thanks to Trump and Jeff Sessions we have the best seats in the house to witness Political high court drama.  Grab your popcorn and your foam fingers. Those of us who enjoy the battles...get comfy, the lines have been drawn.

Trump DOJ sues California over 'interference' with immigration enforcement

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/06/trump-doj-sues-california-over-interference-with-immigration-enforcement.html

Trump ‘basically going to war’ with California, Jerry Brown says

http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article203920624.html




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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2018, 09:28:44 AM »
Civil war lead by the South this time.

Anti-'sanctuary state' movement picks up steam in Orange County

Just more than a week after tiny Los Alamitos voted to defy California's law protecting immigrants in the country illegally, Orange County is poised to become a counterpoint against the state's resistance to the Trump administration's policies.

On Tuesday, Orange County supervisors may consider whether to take up a resolution to condemn and possibly take legal action against the state's "sanctuary" laws.

"These state laws are preempted by federal law," Orange County Supervisor Shawn Nelson said. "Our officers actually face penalties under state law if they so much as talk to federal agents for the wrong thing. That's just unacceptable and it's contrary to federal law."

Nelson said he'll broach in closed session whether to join a federal lawsuit against the state or launch its own litigation.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-anti-sanctuary-movement-in-oc-20180327-story.html

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2018, 09:30:55 AM »
Meh...OC still a bastion of the Grand Ole Party.  Can't wait when it turn all blue.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2018, 09:34:37 AM »

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2018, 09:36:13 AM »


Pretty much in line with 1980s male fantasy of single handedly turning back the tide of communism illegal immigration.

And it's not actually against federal law.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2018, 10:10:55 AM »
...and we did turn back communism.  I love the underdog!!
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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2018, 11:20:25 AM »
Dems taking the side of criminal illegal aliens over the safety of lawful US citizens will be the downfall of "sanctuary" policy.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2018, 12:56:45 PM »
Dems taking the side of criminal illegal aliens over the safety of lawful US citizens will be the downfall of "sanctuary" policy.

how many lawful citizens were killed this year by illegal immigrants versus home grown geniuses like that Austin bomber or the parkland shooter  ... anyone keeping track ...   who will save us from troubled white youth and crazy gun nuts  ... or does crime only matter when black or brown people commit it ?

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2018, 01:14:41 PM »
Dems taking the side of criminal illegal aliens over the safety of lawful US citizens will be the downfall of "sanctuary" policy.

how many lawful citizens were killed this year by illegal immigrants versus home grown geniuses like that Austin bomber or the parkland shooter  ... anyone keeping track ...   who will save us from troubled white youth and crazy gun nuts  ... or does crime only matter when black or brown people commit it ?


If thats how you always insist on framing it,  Crazy white people v.s. poor defenseless minorities,  Then war you shall surely cause.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2018, 02:08:43 PM »
Dems taking the side of criminal illegal aliens over the safety of lawful US citizens will be the downfall of "sanctuary" policy.

how many lawful citizens were killed this year by illegal immigrants versus home grown geniuses like that Austin bomber or the parkland shooter  ... anyone keeping track ...   who will save us from troubled white youth and crazy gun nuts  ... or does crime only matter when black or brown people commit it ?

You're conflating two completely different issues.  Where's IC to cry whataboutism when I need him?

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2018, 02:25:17 PM »
We all should be able to agree that these guys are criminals...right? They in jail, and they are in the country illegally sooooo that does tick off some requirements right?

In response to California sanctuary law, Orange County Sheriff makes public inmates’ release dates

The Orange County Sheriff’s Department, whose leadership opposes the new California sanctuary law that limits cooperation with federal immigration officials, announced Monday that it is now providing public information on when inmates are released from custody.

As of Monday, March 26, an existing “Who’s in Jail” online database includes the date and time of inmates’ release – a move agency officials say will enhance communication with its law enforcement partners.

The release date information applies to all inmates, not just those who are suspected of being in the country illegally.  But the goal is to assist agents with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE.

“This is in response to SB-54 limiting our ability to communicate with federal authorities and our concern that criminals are being released to the street when there’s another avenue to safeguard the community by handing them over (to ICE for potential deportation),” Orange County Undersheriff Don Barnes said.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/26/in-response-to-california-sanctuary-law-orange-county-sheriff-makes-public-inmates-release-dates/

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2018, 02:35:18 PM »
Dems taking the side of criminal illegal aliens over the safety of lawful US citizens will be the downfall of "sanctuary" policy.

If you are talking about immigration illegality...don't really care for the purposes of this discussion. 

There is no evidence that immigrants (illegal or otherwise) are more likely to commit non-immigration related crimes than US citizens.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2018, 02:36:17 PM »
Dems taking the side of criminal illegal aliens over the safety of lawful US citizens will be the downfall of "sanctuary" policy.

how many lawful citizens were killed this year by illegal immigrants versus home grown geniuses like that Austin bomber or the parkland shooter  ... anyone keeping track ...   who will save us from troubled white youth and crazy gun nuts  ... or does crime only matter when black or brown people commit it ?

You're conflating two completely different issues.  Where's IC to cry whataboutism when I need him?

No...we are talking about public safety issues.  So unless there is some level of evidence that illegal immigrants commit more non-immigration related crimes...it is a valid comparison.

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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2018, 02:58:13 PM »
Dems taking the side of criminal illegal aliens over the safety of lawful US citizens will be the downfall of "sanctuary" policy.

how many lawful citizens were killed this year by illegal immigrants versus home grown geniuses like that Austin bomber or the parkland shooter  ... anyone keeping track ...   who will save us from troubled white youth and crazy gun nuts  ... or does crime only matter when black or brown people commit it ?

You're conflating two completely different issues.  Where's IC to cry whataboutism when I need him?

No...we are talking about public safety issues.  So unless there is some level of evidence that illegal immigrants commit more non-immigration related crimes...it is a valid comparison.

I'm talking about illegal aliens that are criminals and how the dems love affair with protecting them will be the end of "sanctuary" policy.  Maybe if the criminal illegals were killing people with guns you could draw some dotted lines to the 2A, but this is not in the same discussion.

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Denver sheriff orders internal investigation after undocumented immigrant wanted by ICE posts bond

DENVER -- The Denver sheriff is calling for an internal investigation of the department after an undocumented immigrant wanted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement bonded out of jail.

Ivan Zamarripa-Castaneda, 26, has been charged with vehicular homicide after a fiery crash on March 3.

ICE requested a notification if Zamarripa-Castaneda was going to be released. Zamarripa-Castaneda bonded out at 5:28 p.m. Saturday, but ICE was notified until 6:33 p.m.

"This is unacceptable and the sheriff has ordered an immediate internal review to determine why established notification processes did not take place before Zamarripa-Castaneda was released," the sheriff's department said in a statement.

Zamarripa-Castaneda is from Mexico and was involved in a crash on Interstate 70 just before midnight on March 3.

The crash killed a 57-year-old semitruck driver and shut down the interstate for several hours.

The Denver Police Department said Zamarripa-Castaneda fled the scene of the crash and that he was driving drunk. He was arrested the next day at his home in Denver.


ICE officials placed a detainer hold on him last week.

Zamarripa-Castaneda posted the $25,000 bond and the sheriff's department said it notified ICE of the pending release, but it did not give a time.

When ICE agents arrived at the detention center, Zamarripa-Castaneda was already gone.

ICE called Zamarripa-Castaneda an immigration fugitive and said, "As law enforcement professionals, we should all have the same ultimate goal in mind -- to protect the public by combating criminals."

Zamarripa-Castaneda has been charged with one count of vehicular homicide-DUI and one count of leaving the scene of an accident resulting in death.

He appeared in court on Friday morning for a second advisement before making bail.

A preliminary hearing is scheduled for April 2.
http://kdvr.com/2018/03/12/denver-sheriff-orders-internal-investigation-after-undocumented-immigrant-wanted-by-ice-posts-bond/

Please tell me how withholding valuable information like when this criminal illegal alien, who mind you just committed vehicular homicide while driving drunk, was to be released after being allowed to post bond is in the interest of protecting lawful american citizens?  This is a policy issue and something that can be solved by simply alerting the proper authority when something like this happens.  Show me the policy that will have stopped the Austin bomber, as fortune introduced, and I'll jump on your ship there matey.
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Re: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2018, 03:07:52 PM »

Please tell me how withholding valuable information like when this criminal illegal alien, who mind you just committed vehicular homicide while driving drunk, was to be released after being allowed to post bond is in the interest of protecting lawful american citizens?

How is that any different than a lawful american citizen committing vehicular homicide?  Public safety wise...it is no different.  Unless you can show me that illegal immigrants commit more crimes than the average American population, it's a moot argument.

State and local officials cooperating with immigration lead to less community cooperation. 



 

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