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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2018, 11:18:03 AM »
It is terrorism if it was a brown or black guy involved and gee we should all be sitting up and doing something about it,

Why is the race card always played in response to these shootings?

Timothy McVeigh, the Tsarnaev brothers, Dylann Roof, James Fields... these guys have all been referred to as terrorists numerous times.

The shooting yesterday in Florida is (probably) not terrorism because no political motive was involved.

Totally not terrorist:

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The 19-year-old accused of being the gunman in the deadly shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida on Wednesday belonged to a white supremacist militia, the group's leader claimed Friday.

The leader of the "Republic of Florida" white supremacist militia claimed in interviews with the Anti-Defamation League and the Associated Press that accused Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz belonged to the group and trained with other members in paramilitary drills.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/374050-white-supremacist-group-leader-claims-florida-school-shooter-was

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 11:22:33 AM »
Guns are not the problem. Mental people are the problem. You don't prohibit alcohol to cure and stop drunk driving. 10 thousand innocent or drunks die a year in the US from DUI-related accidents. That's way more than any mass shooting.

School shootings are easier to manage than drunk drivers. For schools, you can hire armed security and provide immediate tactical response. Fight fire with fire. It's too bad that the security guard/football coach in this case didn't have a firearm. At our High School, we always had a sheriff's deputy or two on campus in uniform with a Beretta. Nothing ever happened.

With drunk driving, it's difficult to detect although legislation may soon require all vehicles detect if the person behind the wheel is impaired and may disable the vehicle.

So we shouldn't have laws against drunk driving? 

Armed guards like the ones they had at Columbine and Umpqua Community College?  And I am sure that those armed guards would be attacking the shooters with a bunch of kids running through right?

and also...there are no mental illness issues outside of the United States?

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2018, 11:23:58 AM »
Looks like 17 more pieces of grist for our political mills.

Everybody runs for their bottle and security blanket.  'If we just ban guns', 'It's mental health', 'it's racism', it's  ..

Those are easy, nobody really wants to tackle the long list of breakdowns that allow this to fester for years to get to this point.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2018, 11:26:54 AM »
Our country was founded on brilliance

Debate was encouraged

Find a problem , see a pattern , diagnose it . Fix it

How have we come from that to a situation where CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL is actually legally prohibited from investigating impact of gun violence !!   

Tiny but very well organized and vocal minority has taken this country s inquisitive spirit hostage .... to their personal insecurities and lust for high powered guns at any cost to society

 

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2018, 11:34:52 AM »
In Florida , an 18-yr-old can buy an AR-15 in a private sale w/out a background check & buy 100s of magazines & 1000s of bullets w/o so much as a driver's license.

Those are the laws. For when People start screaming to enforce the laws we have ...

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2018, 11:36:53 AM »
I’m surprised our friend didn’t say: that’s one sick puppy

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2018, 11:37:48 AM »
It is terrorism if it was a brown or black guy involved and gee we should all be sitting up and doing something about it,

Why is the race card always played in response to these shootings?

Timothy McVeigh, the Tsarnaev brothers, Dylann Roof, James Fields... these guys have all been referred to as terrorists numerous times.

The shooting yesterday in Florida is (probably) not terrorism because no political motive was involved.

Totally not terrorist:

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The 19-year-old accused of being the gunman in the deadly shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida on Wednesday belonged to a white supremacist militia, the group's leader claimed Friday.

The leader of the "Republic of Florida" white supremacist militia claimed in interviews with the Anti-Defamation League and the Associated Press that accused Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz belonged to the group and trained with other members in paramilitary drills.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/374050-white-supremacist-group-leader-claims-florida-school-shooter-was

Ok, so it's terrorism because of who he associated with?  No it's not, even if they are white supremacists.  He would need to have a political motive of some kind (maybe he did, but we don't know).  Was he only targeting non-white students?  So far what has been released is that he was expelled from the school, so the early facts make it look like an act of revenge.  One thing that is unique is that he was captured alive, so there shouldn't be a problem discerning his motive once more facts come in.
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2018, 11:39:14 AM »
Looks like 17 more pieces of grist for our political mills.

Everybody runs for their bottle and security blanket.  'If we just ban guns', 'It's mental health', 'it's racism', it's  ..

Those are easy, nobody really wants to tackle the long list of breakdowns that allow this to fester for years to get to this point.

We can do all those things...drugs, society, mental health, and guns.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2018, 11:42:18 AM »
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2018, 11:59:33 AM »
For a lot of the proposed gun legislation to be valid, the constitution needs to be amended.  If people want it to be done right, then we have to amend first.

Educate us. Why would the 2nd Amendment need to be changed? What does it mean anyway? How should it be changed?

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2018, 12:00:14 PM »
For a lot of the proposed gun legislation to be valid, the constitution needs to be amended.  If people want it to be done right, then we have to amend first.

Educate us. Why would the 2nd Amendment need to be changed? What does it mean anyway? How should it be changed?

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2018, 12:03:42 PM »
For a lot of the proposed gun legislation to be valid, the constitution needs to be amended.  If people want it to be done right, then we have to amend first.

Educate us. Why would the 2nd Amendment need to be changed? What does it mean anyway? How should it be changed?

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

You've got to love the crickets.

Perspective - Cat got your tongue?

You're behind.

Oh yeah?  Please post the link to Perspective's response.
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2018, 12:09:32 PM »
For a lot of the proposed gun legislation to be valid, the constitution needs to be amended.  If people want it to be done right, then we have to amend first.

Educate us. Why would the 2nd Amendment need to be changed? What does it mean anyway? How should it be changed?

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

You've got to love the crickets.

Perspective - Cat got your tongue?

You're behind.

Oh yeah?  Please post the link to Perspective's response.

Why does it have to be his?  Heller decision and its progeny actually affirm the right for gun control and expressly states that 2nd amendment does not protect military style assault weapons

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-otc-guns/second-amendment-does-not-apply-to-assault-weapons-en-banc-4th-circuit-idUSKBN1612PU

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2018, 12:14:35 PM »
Common sense gun reform that keeps AR 15 type weapons  away from mental health patients and allows law enforcement to keep track of guns ( don’t we keep track of car registrations )

Is NOT  the same as

Modifying second amendment or taking “ it “ from Charles Heston s  cold dead hands ...

Please get some therapy for your macho John Wayne fantasies and  spare the damage to rest of the society

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2018, 12:40:16 PM »
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