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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #135 on: February 18, 2018, 08:21:15 AM »
When Will We Have the Guts to Link Fatherlessness to School Shootings?

Now that the gun control advocates have had their fifteen minutes of fame, let’s start focusing on the real issues impacting the rise in school shootings since that infamous day in Columbine in 1999. Issue number one that no one in the mainstream media or government wants to acknowledge: fatherlessness. Specifically, the impact of fatherlessness on the boys who grew up to become school shooters.

Dr. Warren Farrell, author of the new book The Boy Crisis, explains:

Minimal or no father involvement, whether due to divorce, death, or imprisonment, is common to Adam Lanza, Elliott Rodgers, Dylan Roof  and Stephen Paddock.
In the case of 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz, he was adopted at birth. His adoptive dad died when Nikolas was much younger, and doubtless the challenges of this fatherlessness was compounded by the death of his adoptive mom three and a half months ago.

The rate of mass shootings has tripled since 2011. We blame guns, violence in the media, violence in video games, and poor family values. Each is a plausible player. But our daughters live in the same homes, with the same access to the same guns, video games, and media, and are raised with the same family values. Our daughters are not killing. Our sons are.

But boys with significant father involvement are not doing these shootings. Without dads as role models, boys’ testosterone is not well channeled. The boy experiences a sense of purposelessness, a lack of boundary enforcement, rudderlessness, and often withdraws into video games and video porn. At worst, when boys’ testosterone is not well-channeled by an involved dad, boys become among the world’s most destructive forces. When boys’ testosterone is well channeled by an involved dad, boys become among the world’s most constructive forces.

As Terry Brennan, co-founder of Leading Women for Shared Parenting, notes:

72 percent of adolescent murderers grew up without fathers; the same for 60 percent of all rapists.
70 percent of juveniles in state institutions grew up in single- or no-parent situations

The number of single-parent households is a good predictor of violent crime in a community, while poverty rate is not.

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/will-guts-link-fatherlessness-school-shootings/




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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #136 on: February 18, 2018, 09:45:50 AM »
When will we admit that every single mass shooter had 46 chromosomes? You never hear of someone with 47 doing something this heinous. Someone should conduct a study and publish a paper on this topic.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #137 on: February 18, 2018, 10:23:32 AM »
When will we admit that every single mass shooter had 46 chromosomes? You never hear of someone with 47 doing something this heinous. Someone should conduct a study and publish a paper on this topic.

Maybe...Hollywood thought it important enough to make a show about it...

Glee's School Shooter Has Down Syndrome

Last night's especially very special episode of Glee took on the hot-button topic of school shooting. A series of gunshots put everyone in William McKinley High School in lock down. No one was actually shot, so the episode was kind of inert and lacking the sort of catharsis that would come from watching people on Glee die.

In the end, it turned out that Becky did it. Becky is Glee's resident character with Down syndrome.

http://gawker.com/5994515/glees-school-shooter-has-down-syndrome

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #138 on: February 18, 2018, 04:09:30 PM »
I really, really want to believe that once "assault rifles" are banned, all of the Bloombergs, Soros', and other liberal crusader billionaires who bankroll the gun ban movement will declare victory and close up their gun control shop.

But I don't' believe this.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #139 on: February 18, 2018, 04:20:10 PM »

If anyone still doesn’t believe how far down the rabbit hole or abyss we now are —- last few days you are seeing many Americans defend a foreign power who launched an attack our country and at the same time attack and insult teen survivors of a US school shooting for discussing policies with which they disagree.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #140 on: February 18, 2018, 04:47:45 PM »
This will be big ... and mark a turning point in history where a cascading effect will take place in the weeks and months to come

For all of Trump's other flaws , he does have a good pulse on public moods (when and if it tips more than 65-70% in one direction) ...  and he will be the first to claim credit here, if any is to be taken. 

NRA hasn't dealt with high school kids  ... and this level of social media pressure .... yet ... they are about to find out what they are up against 


Florida teen shooting survivors announce 'March for Our Lives' demonstration in DC


Teen survivors of the school shooting massacre in Florida last week are calling for a march on Washington to demand action on gun control.

Student organizers of the protest told ABC News' "This Week" Co-Anchor Martha Raddatz on Sunday that they are determined to use protests and political action to make the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas in Parkland, Florida, a turning point in the national debate over gun control.

“People keep asking us, 'What about the Stoneman Douglas shooting is going to be different, because this has happened before and change hasn't come?'” Cameron Kasky, an 11th-grader told Raddatz. “This is it.”

“People are saying that it’s not time to talk about gun control. And we can respect that,” Kasky added. “Here’s a time. March 24th in every single city. We are going to be marching together as students begging for our lives.”

Called "March for Our Lives," the demonstration should transcend politics, according to Kasky and four of his classmates whom Raddatz also interviewed -- Emma Gonzalez, David Hogg, Alex Wind and Jaclyn Corin.

"This isn't about the GOP," Kasky said. "This isn't about the Democrats. This is about the adults. We feel neglected and at this point, you're either with us or against us."

PHOTO: South Broward High School sophomore Genesis Campbell leads her classmates in protest in front of their school, Feb. 16, 2018, in response to a shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla.Dorothy Edwards/Naples Daily News via USA Today Network
South Broward High School sophomore Genesis Campbell leads her classmates in protest in front of their school, Feb. 16, 2018, in response to a shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla.more +
“Any politician on either side who is taking money from the NRA is responsible for events like this,” the high school junior said of the shooting on Feb. 14 that killed 17 students and teachers at the school. “At the end of the day, the NRA is fostering and promoting this gun culture.”

Kasky said the point is to "create a new normal where there's a badge of shame on any politician who's accepting money from the NRA.”

Gonzalez added that the student activists from Parkland want to have conversations about guns with President Donald Trump, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and Gov. Rick Scott, also a Republican.

“We want to give them the opportunity to be on the right side of this,” she said.

Raddatz asked Gonzalez what she would say to other students around the country to encourage them to join the protest.

The high school senior said, "The kids who need to take part in this are kids, everyday kids just like us. They are students who need to understand that this can very quickly happen to them ... They need to join us, and they need to help us get our message across. All students should realize that a school shooting could happen anywhere."
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #141 on: February 19, 2018, 09:56:08 AM »
So which of the proposed gun control solutions would have prevented the massacre last week?
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #142 on: February 19, 2018, 10:21:01 AM »
So which of the proposed gun control solutions would have prevented the massacre last week?

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #144 on: February 19, 2018, 10:47:57 PM »
So which of the proposed gun control solutions would have prevented the massacre last week?

This is a complex problem that requires attacking from multiple directions.  I find it a little disturbing that people feel a need to make jokes about it.  Gun control is only one aspect.  The frustration these students feel is that literally NOTHING has been done.  You can both protect the second amendment and make it more difficult for these tragedies to occur.  It seems to require more thought and perspective than our partisan society is capable of. 

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #145 on: February 20, 2018, 07:19:55 AM »
So which of the proposed gun control solutions would have prevented the massacre last week?

This is a complex problem that requires attacking from multiple directions.  I find it a little disturbing that people feel a need to make jokes about it.  Gun control is only one aspect.  The frustration these students feel is that literally NOTHING has been done.  You can both protect the second amendment and make it more difficult for these tragedies to occur.  It seems to require more thought and perspective than our partisan society is capable of.

Perhaps we need to be a more accepting and kinder society?  Apparently this guy was bullied and ridiculed, probably for his whole life.  We're so quick to blame "the gun", but it sounds to me like his peers certainly played a part in creating this monster.  There's a reason he chose to shoot up the school, as opposed to a grocery store or a mall.  He decided he was going to make a power play on the people who mocked him his whole life.

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To Cruz, the campus’ sun-splashed courtyards were a dark place where he was mocked and ridiculed for his odd behavior, according to interviews with close family friends, students and recently released police and mental health reports.

“Someone could have approached a faculty member, a guidance counselor, a teacher and said, ‘This kid gets bullied a lot, someone should do something,’ ” said student Manolo Alvarez, 17, who had history class with Cruz. “I regret definitely not saying anything.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #146 on: February 20, 2018, 09:27:45 AM »
So which of the proposed gun control solutions would have prevented the massacre last week?

Probably none but what is so frustrating in this particular case is there were tips about this guy, he was expelled and not allowed to be on campus with a backpack, etc. The FBI knew about him and then we get this tragedy.

My brother in law had lots of guns (for hunting).

He and my sister in law tried for years to get us to move close to them (Colfax on 13 acres) and the one thing that always comes to mind when I think of him is what he said to us at least 30 years ago.......... "Its not good to have so many people live so close together and mark my words, violence and mental health problems are going to come up and that's why we moved out here". It's not like he lived like Ted Kazinski. They had regular jobs, public schools, etc but they were firm believers that pushing people so close together is just not a good thing.

After they moved they never locked their doors. They did have two dogs and those guns to protect their abode. No way was he about to give up those guns....... but then again he did use them for hunting. His hunting and fishing trips were at least a month long. I never knew them to buy meat from the grocery store. They only ate what they brought home from the wild.

Deer that were caught eating my sister in law's flowers didn't live to tell about it. That took care of their deer problem.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #147 on: February 20, 2018, 09:28:38 AM »
I'm not really into the whole gun control issue but from a high view, banning of a certain type of gun doesn't really address the problem.

Sure, you can do much more damage with an AR-15 but a small handgun can still kill people. So whether it's 17 kids or 3 kids... somebody dies.

So really, it's hard to say the solution is gun control, it will help, but at the end of the day, as people have commented here, if all guns were gone, these news stories would be about knife attacks or whatever is the next lethal weapon.

And I know we focus on schools because that's where the higher concentration of our kids are, but these things can happen at malls and other public places where security is even more lax. I think the only real solution is preventative at the location like Downtown Disney... bag checks and metal detectors.

But that's almost impossible for areas which don't have fences and are open like most of Irvine's schools for example... or any park. So then what?
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #148 on: February 20, 2018, 09:40:31 AM »
Sure, you can do much more damage with an AR-15 but a small handgun can still kill people. So whether it's 17 kids or 3 kids... somebody dies.

So really, it's hard to say the solution is gun control, it will help, but at the end of the day, as people have commented here, if all guns were gone, these news stories would be about knife attacks or whatever is the next lethal weapon.

I don't understand this at all.   14 more kids living is a good thing...not a negative. 

So basically we just shouldn't do anything because there will always be bad people.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #149 on: February 20, 2018, 09:44:22 AM »
Honestly...at this point....I am pretty much done with the "gun debate"  I have seen so many strawman, hyperboles, and crazy "slippery slope" arguments on here and on FB that I am pretty convinced that none of the gun rights advocates are actually willing to listen and compromise.

So the only good thing that may come out of this horrific shooting is that the younger generation of people will lead us to a new future where guns are not more important than people.  Sorry young people...our generation keeps messing things up for you.

 

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