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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2018, 03:53:46 PM »
True. Anyone with 1/2 a brain knew that the "con" was on once Foxconn called WI a good place to put a factory. Tesla is the same story. Without government cheddar, these companies struggle.

Amazon could drop a 100% union factory in Detroit, complete with corporate housing, on-site skilled nursing once workers retire, office wide aromatherapy, 4 year tuition grants to UMich, plus complementary child care with 20 weeks of parental leave.... and still the Rabid Left would say it's not enough.


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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2018, 04:09:34 PM »
True. Anyone with 1/2 a brain knew that the "con" was on once Foxconn called WI a good place to put a factory. Tesla is the same story. Without government cheddar, these companies struggle.

Amazon could drop a 100% union factory in Detroit, complete with corporate housing, on-site skilled nursing once workers retire, office wide aromatherapy, 4 year tuition grants to UMich, plus complementary child care with 20 weeks of parental leave.... and still the Rabid Left would say it's not enough.

Let's create a nonexistent hypothetical and speculate to make a point.

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2018, 05:26:12 PM »
True. Anyone with 1/2 a brain knew that the "con" was on once Foxconn called WI a good place to put a factory. Tesla is the same story. Without government cheddar, these companies struggle.

Amazon could drop a 100% union factory in Detroit, complete with corporate housing, on-site skilled nursing once workers retire, office wide aromatherapy, 4 year tuition grants to UMich, plus complementary child care with 20 weeks of parental leave.... and still the Rabid Left would say it's not enough.

If I didnt know any better , would think you seem really pissed at the outcome of last week’s election

For all that has gone on in this country for last 2 years , interesting that you choose to apply the word “rabid” to the left.  The irony is not lost on anyone

Wait — there’s more in store as 2019 and 2020 rolls around . Better not waste all the verbiage ammo  so soon :)


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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2018, 06:00:35 PM »
One thing I should explain here - amazon likely knew where it wanted to move well in advance

It just shopped around for the best deal w multiple cities , some of which were more desperate than others

Then take the best offer and have your initial choice match it

These incentives , be it for a new office or a new stadium , rarely turn out to be NPV positive for taxpayers in the long run — but politicians can claim quick victories

I for one, would have liked  amazon to move to a red turning purple state like Georgia or North Carolina .

But in the end , they chose to reinforce groupthink rather than be creative

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2018, 06:05:14 PM »
One thing I should explain here - amazon likely knew where it wanted to move well in advance

It just shopped around for the best deal w multiple cities , some of which were more desperate than others

Then take the best offer and have your initial choice match it

These incentives , be it for a new office or a new stadium , rarely turn out to be NPV positive for taxpayers in the long run — but politicians can claim quick victories

I for one, would have liked  amazon to move to a red turning purple state like Georgia or North Carolina .

But in the end , they chose to reinforce groupthink rather than be creative

They've done their homework way ahead of time...the perks is a tiny portion of the analysis.  They are likely probing cities for them to build secondary sites at.

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2018, 06:12:53 PM »
If I were given 100 guesses, I would have never guessed NYC and DC. These two cities are the largest gateway for relocation transplants moving to Atlanta.
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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2018, 08:35:57 PM »
Fortune 11 - You may recall I've always said here on TI and on Twitter that a Blue Wave was inevitable.  I may not like the results, but I'm a realist first and yes, "Rabid" is appropriate.

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2018, 10:34:50 PM »
If I were given 100 guesses, I would have never guessed NYC and DC. These two cities are the largest gateway for relocation transplants moving to Atlanta.

One is the financial capital of the world and other is the political capital...totally expected.

And as I stated earlier...Atlanta still in Georgia where borderline racist people can get elected governor.  I dont think you understand how impactful something like that is.

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2018, 04:32:01 AM »
If I were given 100 guesses, I would have never guessed NYC and DC. These two cities are the largest gateway for relocation transplants moving to Atlanta.

One is the financial capital of the world and other is the political capital...totally expected.

And as I stated earlier...Atlanta still in Georgia where borderline racist people can get elected governor.  I dont think you understand how impactful something like that is.

This is precisely why they should have chosen Georgia.

Education and jobs which require working with other immigrants and people of color is how you turn that state purple and then blue . 

Most “non hardcore” racists in the rural areas only know the caricatures of immigrants from warching the scaremongers on Fox News.  They have little experience themselves.

Missed opportunity by amazon , in my opinion . But like I said they probably made up their minds months in advance ...

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2018, 06:29:30 AM »
Fortune 11 - You may recall I've always said here on TI and on Twitter that a Blue Wave was inevitable.  I may not like the results, but I'm a realist first and yes, "Rabid" is appropriate.

So what words are appropriate to describe today s right wing? 

Back to the point , and without name calling  — 2.8 bn tax giveaway for a 2.4bn investment is not the best ROI from a math perspective .

Now there may be other reasons for supporting the hq2 location and that’s fine, but let’s not overlook basic facts here to justify a personal bias .

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2018, 07:02:59 AM »
Fortune is right on the immigrants. Since we are on the topic of colors.. notice how the red (63.2) percentage is similar between Canyon View Elementary (Irvine) and Johns Creek Elementary (57.8%). The demographics are parents similar to my age in the 40s. The main difference is that most of the make up of 57.8% are Asian immigrants from China, India, and Korea vs 63.2% of the Asian parents in Canyon View Elementary school are probably like 1.5, 2nd Gen Asian American like myself.

The Asian Demographic shift in Johns Creek was dramatic in the last 10 years. Perhaps Irvine went thru this in the 80s or 90s, with some Asian/White racial tension.. but I totally understand the white people getting nervous here. They are not racist, they just never seen any demographic shift like this happen before, especially since 2008. My family moved to Atlanta in 2011, and I can testify the changes I have seen here in the last 7 years feel like I have lived here for 20 - 25years.





If I were given 100 guesses, I would have never guessed NYC and DC. These two cities are the largest gateway for relocation transplants moving to Atlanta.

One is the financial capital of the world and other is the political capital...totally expected.

And as I stated earlier...Atlanta still in Georgia where borderline racist people can get elected governor.  I dont think you understand how impactful something like that is.

This is precisely why they should have chosen Georgia.

Education and jobs which require working with other immigrants and people of color is how you turn that state purple and then blue . 

Most “non hardcore” racists in the rural areas only know the caricatures of immigrants from warching the scaremongers on Fox News.  They have little experience themselves.

Missed opportunity by amazon , in my opinion . But like I said they probably made up their minds months in advance ...
If I were given 100 guesses, I would have never guessed NYC and DC. These two cities are the largest gateway for relocation transplants moving to Atlanta.

One is the financial capital of the world and other is the political capital...totally expected.

And as I stated earlier...Atlanta still in Georgia where borderline racist people can get elected governor.  I dont think you understand how impactful something like that is.
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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2018, 07:20:22 AM »
Nervous of color? (Are we in the 1960s?)

Fortune is right on the immigrants. Since we are on the topic of colors.. notice how the red (63.2) percentage is similar between Canyon View Elementary (Irvine) and Johns Creek Elementary (57.8%). The demographics are parents similar to my age in the 40s. The main difference is that most of the make up of 57.8% are Asian immigrants from China, India, and Korea vs 63.2% of the Asian parents in Canyon View Elementary school are probably like 1.5, 2nd Gen Asian American like myself.

The Asian Demographic shift in Johns Creek was dramatic in the last 10 years. Perhaps Irvine went thru this in the 80s or 90s, with some Asian/White racial tension.. but I totally understand the white people getting nervous here. They are not racist, they just never seen any demographic shift like this happen before, especially since 2008. My family moved to Atlanta in 2011, and I can testify the changes I have seen here in the last 7 years feel like I have lived here for 20 - 25years.





If I were given 100 guesses, I would have never guessed NYC and DC. These two cities are the largest gateway for relocation transplants moving to Atlanta.

One is the financial capital of the world and other is the political capital...totally expected.

And as I stated earlier...Atlanta still in Georgia where borderline racist people can get elected governor.  I dont think you understand how impactful something like that is.

This is precisely why they should have chosen Georgia.

Education and jobs which require working with other immigrants and people of color is how you turn that state purple and then blue . 

Most “non hardcore” racists in the rural areas only know the caricatures of immigrants from warching the scaremongers on Fox News.  They have little experience themselves.

Missed opportunity by amazon , in my opinion . But like I said they probably made up their minds months in advance ...
If I were given 100 guesses, I would have never guessed NYC and DC. These two cities are the largest gateway for relocation transplants moving to Atlanta.

One is the financial capital of the world and other is the political capital...totally expected.

And as I stated earlier...Atlanta still in Georgia where borderline racist people can get elected governor.  I dont think you understand how impactful something like that is.

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2018, 07:40:32 AM »
To quote the Godfather - "It's not personal Sonny. It's strictly business". Note however in HQ2's location decision it was both. If you can get that kind of $$$ from local governments, why not? Amazon first and foremost is a for profit enterprise. Bezos even got Virginia to burp up an advanced heads up in writing on any FOIA requests! Talk about being played like a Stradivarius


https://www.fastcompany.com/90266892/new-york-got-played-by-amazon


Hey, if you're in the process of fleeing one socialist paradise (Seattle) why not get two other socialist state governments to fight it out for the best deal possible? And that, Amazon did.

As for the personal part? Both NYC and Virginia HQ2's are about a 20 minute drive from Bezo's homes in NYC and Washington DC.

Anyone on with any sense (Right or Left...) should be pissed about it. This is welfare of the worst kind. Will anything change? Of course not. Even if Congress flips 100% Blue and we get a party change President, New York City is a Democratically controlled city, yet look what they surrendered.

Come to think of the movie quote, perhaps this has all been more of a "Kneel before Besos Zod" moment.

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2018, 08:12:27 AM »
Ok, so you agree that It’s a bad deal for taxpayers . So no point hating Alexandra occasio Cortez for it .

Every year, American cities and states spend up to $90 billion in tax breaks and cash grants to urge companies to move among states. That’s more than the federal government spends on housing, education, or infrastructure.

This farce should stop

I repeat what I Have said several times before — our system is a combination of  socialism for the very rich and large corporates combined with  rugged individualism for the middle class and small guys, many of whom end up blaming immigrants and minorities for their woes  .  I have some experience here as many of those large corporations are my consulting clients.

Don’t hate the left for pointing out this hypocrisy . The left has many flaws otherwise but pointing out corporate welfare is not one of them

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Re: Looks like Amazon's 2nd headquarter in Atlanta is starting to become REAL.
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2018, 08:27:12 AM »
I'd actually like one of those 4-Star Amazon stores in Irvine.

Same day delivery is great, but some of this stuff I actually want to touch before I buy.

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