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Offline eatthis

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The petitioners mostly told people that it was to save the cemetery.  That's how they got all those signatures.

It's really TIC vs 5 points at this point.
I can see why 5P doesn't want the cemetery at the existing location, but why would TIC want it with PS so close?

TIC makes plenty of money elsewhere. But, this would be a huge blow to the upcoming phases of GP.

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The beauty of this BS petition is that it doesn’t even need to win a referendum. Just the threat of a cemetery at the original location will impede GP sales long enough for TIC to benefit.

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It's ok guys...after this vote, there will be another petition to put it back to the strawberry fields...and it will go on and on forever..
This cemetery will never be built and will provide years and years of comedy for our benefit!

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It's ok guys...after this vote, there will be another petition to put it back to the strawberry fields...and it will go on and on forever..
This cemetery will never be built and will provide years and years of comedy for our benefit!

Lol

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As an aside, if you've traveled that stretch of Irvine Blvd. lately you'll notice the increased traffic especially during commuting hours.  The last thing anyone wants is to have funeral processions further aggrevating traffic.  Disclaimer: I don't live close enough for the cemetery to affect my property values so that is not the basis for my position.

If it operates like the one in Riverside, that won't be an issue.  All of the services are held in pavilions within the cemetery.  You would get traffic from people entering / visiting the cemetery, but there wouldn't be any funeral processions to deal with.
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As an aside, if you've traveled that stretch of Irvine Blvd. lately you'll notice the increased traffic especially during commuting hours.  The last thing anyone wants is to have funeral processions further aggrevating traffic.  Disclaimer: I don't live close enough for the cemetery to affect my property values so that is not the basis for my position.

If it operates like the one in Riverside, that won't be an issue.  All of the services are held in pavilions within the cemetery.  You would get traffic from people entering / visiting the cemetery, but there wouldn't be any funeral processions to deal with.

I don't think most people are worried about the traffic...it's the taboo nature of living next to a cemetery.

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19,140 signatures to overturn Irvine’s decision on veterans cemetery location
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2017, 10:23:58 PM »
For all those that say Strawberry Fields is ON the former MCAS El Toro Base please take note of this attached 1997 US Geological Survey Map and pay close attention to the RED perimeter markings:

Please notice the red borders and what is marked  in them"Naval Reservation" and a separate border marked "Indefinite Boundary"

Notice they are separate locations. To simplify, one is a U.S. base with controlled borders and maintained military operations and the other is a simple flight path to/from the base that the US Government reserved for ground mishaps due to aircraft operations flight risks.  Nothing could be built on the flight path to save the US Government from potential flight risks.

The U.S. Government gave it away as a packaged deal, however there is a major difference in what is actually referred to AS MCAS EL Toro. It was never an indefinite boundary rather a Naval Reservation.   I sincerely hope this clears the air of confusion once and for all in regards to where the base actually was.

I was stationed as a Marine and later a DoD Contractor for over 10 years and it drives me insane to hear politicians and veterans not affiliated with MCAS El Toro to say that the Strawberry Fields location was the base.  Ok so you flew out of El Toro once during Vietnam, that does not make you an expert of the base.  I want a Veterans cemetery as much if not more than you do on MCAS El Toro, for God's sake let's put it on the actual base!  Happy Thanksgiving.

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You're lucky to even get any cemetery location. On top of that you are also getting millions of tax dollars from Irvine tax payers. The least you can do is be grateful for the current compromise location voted upon by the city.

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You're missing my point entirely of what I posted.  The claims out of the city of Irvine's own mouth were that Strawberry Fields were part of MCAS El Toro when indeed it is not.  An Indefinite Boundary is defined as "Not Clearly Defined or Determined".

In regards to lucky, ha that's a good one!    Rather the city or should i say unincorporated area that the US Navy decided to put a major Marine Corps installation on was LUCKY AS HELL!   The Marine Corps built Irvine!  It was nothing without it!   The City of Irvine owes it respect and honor to what served inside those base fences for over 50 years!  It is an insult to compromise what is right and just.   

Don't let the dollar signs twist or cloud what needs to be done.  Keep the cemetery on the base where it belongs to truly memorialize what went on there.

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You're missing my point entirely of what I posted.  The claims out of the city of Irvine's own mouth were that Strawberry Fields were part of MCAS El Toro when indeed it is not.  An Indefinite Boundary is defined as "Not Clearly Defined or Determined".

In regards to lucky, ha that's a good one!    Rather the city or should i say unincorporated area that the US Navy decided to put a major Marine Corps installation on was LUCKY AS HELL!   The Marine Corps built Irvine!  It was nothing without it!   The City of Irvine owes it respect and honor to what served inside those base fences for over 50 years!  It is an insult to compromise what is right and just.   

Don't let the dollar signs twist or cloud what needs to be done.  Keep the cemetery on the base where it belongs to truly memorialize what went on there.

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You're missing my point entirely of what I posted.  The claims out of the city of Irvine's own mouth were that Strawberry Fields were part of MCAS El Toro when indeed it is not.  An Indefinite Boundary is defined as "Not Clearly Defined or Determined".

In regards to lucky, ha that's a good one!    Rather the city or should i say unincorporated area that the US Navy decided to put a major Marine Corps installation on was LUCKY AS HELL!   The Marine Corps built Irvine!  It was nothing without it!   The City of Irvine owes it respect and honor to what served inside those base fences for over 50 years!  It is an insult to compromise what is right and just.   

Don't let the dollar signs twist or cloud what needs to be done.  Keep the cemetery on the base where it belongs to truly memorialize what went on there.

Putting aside the politics of the cemetery, thank you for your service to this great country.

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MCAS, thank you for your service.

That said, don't quite agree with you on the statement that the Marine Corps built Irvine and that Irvine would be nothing without the base.  In fact, wasn't the base unincorporated county land until Irvine annexed it back in 2003?  Irvine is the great city it is because of the vision of Donald Bren and the Irvine Company.  The base had no impact on much of the Irvine Ranch and I cannot see how the base was instrumental in making Irvine the city that it is today.  Let's give credit where credit is due.
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Let's the fued continue to go on between looser, Larry Agran and the City Officials for along time. Because by then, nothing coming to fruition of the Cemetary. Irvine residents WINS.

Money saved....Sort of.

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Let's the fued continue to go on between looser, Larry Agran and the City Officials for along time. Because by then, nothing coming to fruition of the Cemetary. Irvine residents WINS.

Money saved....Sort of.

Say what you want about Larry Agran but he helped shaped Irvine despite his crookedness.  Irvine could have easily turned into any other Orange County suburban sh""twhole. Thankfully that was delayed by a couple of decades.

 

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