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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #270 on: March 20, 2021, 04:49:54 AM »
Arguing climate climate change doesn't exist is like arguing the derivative of x^2 == log(x). It just tells the informed reader you don't know what you are talking about (or linking to) and to ignore your assertions/analysis.

However, analysis of whether the impact of climate change is worth the cost of a (potentially?) premature transition to nuclear and renewables is actually worthwhile.

Regardless, we are switching to renewables (it's in the definition of renewable), or fusion ( basis of renewable anyway, thanks sun). What is the cost of delaying the transition and thus  terraforming earth's atmosphere? More importantly (probably), can we bootstrap civilization without readily accessible fossil fuels? Should we leave some in the ground in case we (inevitably?) fail/fall?

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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #271 on: April 08, 2021, 05:48:59 PM »

So why bother with this discussion at all?  You clearly have no intent on changing your belief based upon evidence and/or science.

YOU clearly have no intent on changing your belief based upon evidence and science.

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.  We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.” – Ottmar Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

The UN’s climate czarina, Christiana Figueres, has also been quite vocal in explaining that the UN’s imposing climate change agenda extends far beyond mere environmental concerns:
“It must be understood that what is occurring here, not just in Doha, but in the whole climate change process is a complete transformation of the economic structure of the world.”

“The inconvenient truth is that it’s not about carbon – it’s about capitalism.  … we can seize this existential crisis to transform our failed economic system and build something radically better [socialism, of course].” – Naomi Klein, This Changes Everything:  Capitalism vs. the Climate

The long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.” – United Nations International Panel on Climate Control, 2007

Whistleblowers at the U.S. government’s official keeper of the global warming stats, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), claim their agency doctored temperature data to hide the fact that global temperatures plateaued almost 20 years ago.
http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-finally-its-safe-for-the-whistleblowers-of-corrupted-climate-science-to-speak-out

Over 440 scientific papers published in 2019 are skeptical of climate alarm.

https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/30/over-440-scientific-papers-published-in-2019-support-a-skeptical-position-on-climate-alarm/%MCEPASTEBIN%

Hundreds of peer reviewed papers published in 2015 were skeptical of the “consensus” of human-caused climate change.
http://notrickszone.com/250-skeptic-papers-from-2015/#sthash.FwAuJa0i.dpbs
Hundreds of peer reviewed papers published in 2014 were skeptical of the “consensus” of anthropogenic climate change.  http://notrickszone.com/248-skeptical-papers-from-2014/#sthash.XYODyXVZ.dpbs

“Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum” – NASA, Oct 7, 2014
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

MUCH MORE SCIENCE refuting your panic is available.  You simply choose to ignore, reject and trivialize it with the pettiest of excuses.

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pm »
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Hey StarmanMBA - go fuck yourself :-)

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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #272 on: April 08, 2021, 06:51:38 PM »
Water is rising in Florida and Louisiana. You all ready know.

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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #273 on: April 09, 2021, 02:34:10 PM »
Metro Rail went past me today in Irvine and I was unable to see a single passenger in any window.  This is "mass transit" courtesy of the Insane Left.

I met with Mayor Choi years ago pointing out the absurd waste of shuttles going back and forth from John Wayne Airport to the Irvine Train Station, empty.  Mayor Choi invited me and a functionary from Orange County Transportation Authority to make their case for continuing this $110,000,000 boondoggle.  Choi said "Public transportation only takes in an average of 10 cents for every dollar of expense."  I replied, iShuttle only takes in one cent."

But all this slinging money at nonsense makes the Left feel better about themselves and that's what matters to them, the media, Democrats, educators, unions, socialists and America-haters.

"There are only two kinds of people, decent and indecent." - Elie Wiesel

« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pm »
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Hey StarmanMBA - go fuck yourself :-)

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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #274 on: April 21, 2021, 10:21:54 AM »
As earth day approaches (whenever that is) let us bow our heads and reflect....

“You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time. It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in Arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. It might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears the earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. Do you think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine. When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. A hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.”

― Michael Crichton, Jurassic Park / Congo

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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #275 on: April 21, 2021, 12:09:32 PM »
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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #276 on: May 17, 2021, 11:07:11 AM »
...a witch!!!  Burn it!!!...

'Tree farts' from a ghost forest in North Carolina are releasing greenhouse gases, experts find

'Tree farts' from so-called 'ghost forests' in North Carolina are contributing to greenhouse gas emissions, according to experts from North Carolina State University.

Dead trees -- also known as snags -- in these 'ghost forests' release carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide in trace amounts (as does the nearby soil) that are contributing on some level to greenhouse gases.

'Even though these standing dead trees are not emitting as much as the soils, they're still emitting something, and they definitely need to be accounted for,' the study's lead author Melinda Martinez, a graduate student in forestry and environmental resources at NC State, said in a statement. 'Even the smallest fart counts.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9587763/Tree-farts-ghost-forest-North-Carolina-adding-greenhouse-gases.html


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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #277 on: May 27, 2021, 11:34:32 AM »
How much you wanna bet that this never reaches completion?....but nice signaling. ;D >:D

Biden administration reveals plans for wind farms off the California coast
More than 250,000 acres off the California coast will be open to wind development, the Biden administration announced Tuesday.

Under this new plan, wind power projects would be built off the coast of Morro Bay in Central California and Humboldt Bay in Northern California, and combined, they could generate 4,600 megawatts of electricity that could power 1.6 million homes, the Los Angeles Times reports. Wind energy does not produce greenhouse gas emissions, and offshore wind farms will help fight climate change and create more than 77,000 jobs, the White House said. Now, there are only two wind farms in the United States, both on the East Coast.

Gina McCarthy, President Biden's senior climate change adviser, said on Tuesday the California projects will "set the stage for the long-term development of clean energy and the growth of a brand-new, made-in-America industry." California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) agreed, saying these "game-changing" wind farms will benefit "diverse communities" across the state. He believes the projects will be built 20 miles offshore, with room for about 380 wind turbines. The Pacific Ocean is deep, and the turbines will have to float, held in place by cables.

There is some pushback from a variety of detractors, including people who live on the coast and don't want to look at turbines. Previously, the Department of Defense cautioned that offshore wind farms off the California coast could interfere with military training and operations, but Colin Kahl, undersecretary of defense for policy, said on Tuesday suitable locations were found that are out of the way, the Times reports.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/984375/biden-administration-reveals-plans-wind-farms-california-coast

Doomed!!...but not before wasting more taxpayer money...like this disaster...

U.S. Solar Power Plant Backed by Over $700 Million in Government Loans Goes Bust: Filing

(Reuters) - The owner of a big Nevada solar-thermal power plant that received $737 million in loans from the U.S. Department of Energy filed for bankruptcy on Thursday, according to a court filing, potentially leaving U.S. taxpayers with a whopping bill.

The project's failure is a blow to the DOE renewable energy loan program, which had already been criticized by Republicans as a waste of money after it backed failed solar panel maker Solyndra during the Obama administration.

Tonopah Solar Energy LLC still owes $425 million on its DOE loan, but reached a settlement under which the department will recover at least $200 million, it said in court documents filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-07-30/us-solar-power-plant-backed-by-over-700-mln-in-govt-loans-goes-bust-filing
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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #278 on: September 28, 2021, 10:46:58 AM »
Outcomes that occur when you let a child run your movement...Can't just wish it into the cornfiled... ;D ;D >:D

'Build back better. Blah blah blah': Greta Thunberg slams Biden's infrastructure, health care and green energy plan and says young people's dreams 'drown' in his and other leaders' 'empty words'
Greta Thunberg criticized world leaders' 'empty words and promises' in a speech
She opened the Youth4Climate summit in Milan, Italy on Tuesday
The 18-year-old activist took aim at one of Biden's slogans: Build Back Better
The COVID-recovery White House plan targets health care, housing and climate
It includes penalties for power companies that don't switch to clean energy and rebates for homeowners who make eco-friendly upgrades and renovations
It's part of the $3.5 trillion budget package under consideration in Congress
The Milan summit comes in advance of the COP26 which the UK will host

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10037631/Build-better-Blah-blah-blah-Greta-Thunberg-slams-Bidens-post-COVID-green-energy-plan.html


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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #279 on: October 28, 2021, 11:26:28 PM »
COP26 is going to be a total disaster….China and Russia won’t even go and grandpa joe has his hat in hand…I can’t wait…grab your popcorn and watch all the spin…,

India rejects net zero emissions target as Modi heads to COP26 climate talks


After China and the United States, India is the third-largest emitter of greenhouse gases and is still largely dependent on coal and oil.
India’s energy demand is expected to rise sharply over the next decade as the economy continues on its growth trajectory.
At COP26, India will emphasize climate justice and ask wealthier nations to transfer technology and finance needed to help developing countries deal with the fallout from global warming, India’s Environment Minister Bhupender Yadav told local media.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/cop26-india-rejects-net-zero-emissions-target-modi-off-to-climate-talks.html?

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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #280 on: November 02, 2021, 01:33:34 PM »
For once we agree..In the end is is all about anarchy...and Kaos. ;D ;D >:D

Greta Thunberg leads supporters in chorus of 'you can shove your climate crisis up your a***' at COP26 climate summit

Biden, Johnson, and Merkel gathered in Glasgow for the biggest diplomatic meeting in Britain in 75 years 
Mr Johnson pledged to put another £1bn into green finance - provided the economy performs as expected
Greta Thunberg gave a speech telling demonstrators: 'No more whatever the f*** they are doing inside there!'
She appeared to blame world leaders as she started a chant of: 'You can shove your climate crisis up your a***'
A Scottish attendee had appeared to suggest singing 'you can shove your rules up your a***'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10155679/Greta-Thunberg-leads-supporters-chorus-shove-climate-crisis-a.html

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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #281 on: November 02, 2021, 05:02:56 PM »
Perhaps she should go tell Xi.

You know, the guy that isn’t there whose country is putting out more climate pollution than all attendees combined?

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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #282 on: November 02, 2021, 05:08:59 PM »
…and Putin and King Salman who also are not in attendance. None of this will matter.

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« Reply #283 on: November 02, 2021, 05:19:40 PM »
…and Putin and King Salman who also are not in attendance. None of this will matter.

Leaders that aren't democratically elected don't need to virtue signal on climate to their constituents.

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Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
« Reply #284 on: November 02, 2021, 05:28:33 PM »
China's proven coal reserves will last about 30 years at current rate of consumption.  So assuming the consumption rate is sustained, by 2050 their coal power plants (if still operational) will be dependent on imports to run.

America actually has the largest proven coal reserves at this time, accounting for ~58% of world's total in economically recoverable coal (Russia has 2nd largest coal reserves but is costly to mine under permafrost).  As China-Australia relations worsen, China has reduced coal imports from AU and switched to importing American coal.  American coal exports to China has risen by 3,000%  (30 fold).  At current rate of growth China will likely displace India as top customer for American coal, benefitting Wyoming, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, etc.

Largest customer of American coal in order, India, China, Japan, Netherlands, Brazil, Canada, South Korea, Egypt, Dominican Republic, Ukraine, Germany, etc.  Companies like Warrior Met Coal (HCC) has received large increase in coal orders from China -- see their recent stock prices.  I don't see the Biden administration talking about setting targets to reduce coal exports.  As matter of fact it looks like America is reaping the benefits of China-AU spat by eating AU's lunch.

As for Russia, many believe that global warming benefits them in the long run:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/16/magazine/russia-climate-migration-crisis.html

 

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