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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1860 on: February 10, 2018, 07:45:55 AM »
Trump will not release the democratic memo which incidentally was approved for release by both dems and repubs.

Dems will protest a little bit , in their typical civilized fashion , and then quiet down when bullied by the mainstream media and CNN types that “hey focus on the white working class bread and butter isssues , not some memo“

Only republicans are allowed to raise ruckus like spoiled toddlers and get their idiotic demands met (like the Nunes dud non memo) —  they have the full force and machine of right wing media behind them singing in one voices and the mainstream news outlets get easily cowed by them . Anyone notice Rush Limbaugh on his radio show declare that he doesn’t care about deficits anymore ...

Democrats can’t win this fight unless they give up civility and learn to fight dirty like the other side . They will keep getting bullied ...

Dem memo was a trap that includes sources and methods, so when it was rejected, dem talking heads and the MSM can cry that Trump is playing sides.

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The message was sent to the committee Friday in a letter from White House Counsel Don McGahn.

"Although the president is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time," McGahn wrote.

"However, given the public interest in transparency in these unprecedented circumstances, the President has directed that Justice Department personnel be available to give technical assistance to the Committee, should the Committee wish to revise the February 5th Memorandum to mitigate the risks identified by the Department," McGahn continued. "The President encourages the Committee to undertake these efforts. The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft of the February 5th Memorandum for declassification at the earliest opportunity."

A letter signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray accompanied McGahn's response. In that accompanying letter, the two men noted "a version of the document that identifies, in highlighted text, information the release of which would present such concerns in light of longstanding principles regarding the protection of intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and other similarly sensitive information.

"We have further identified, in red boxes, the subset of such information for which national security or law enforcement concerns are especially significant. Our determinations have taken into account the information previously declassified by the President as communicated in a letter to HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes dated February 2, 2018."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/10/white-house-seeks-revisions-to-dems-fisa-rebuttal-memo-halting-release.html

I would agree w the “trap argument “ but for the fact that republicans also approved its release . The memo could always be released with plenty of redactions .  Unlike the Nunes memo which was released fully unredcated .

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1861 on: February 10, 2018, 01:07:56 PM »
Trump will not release the democratic memo which incidentally was approved for release by both dems and repubs.

Dems will protest a little bit , in their typical civilized fashion , and then quiet down when bullied by the mainstream media and CNN types that “hey focus on the white working class bread and butter isssues , not some memo“

Only republicans are allowed to raise ruckus like spoiled toddlers and get their idiotic demands met (like the Nunes dud non memo) —  they have the full force and machine of right wing media behind them singing in one voices and the mainstream news outlets get easily cowed by them . Anyone notice Rush Limbaugh on his radio show declare that he doesn’t care about deficits anymore ...

Democrats can’t win this fight unless they give up civility and learn to fight dirty like the other side . They will keep getting bullied ...

Dem memo was a trap that includes sources and methods, so when it was rejected, dem talking heads and the MSM can cry that Trump is playing sides.

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The message was sent to the committee Friday in a letter from White House Counsel Don McGahn.

"Although the president is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time," McGahn wrote.

"However, given the public interest in transparency in these unprecedented circumstances, the President has directed that Justice Department personnel be available to give technical assistance to the Committee, should the Committee wish to revise the February 5th Memorandum to mitigate the risks identified by the Department," McGahn continued. "The President encourages the Committee to undertake these efforts. The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft of the February 5th Memorandum for declassification at the earliest opportunity."

A letter signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray accompanied McGahn's response. In that accompanying letter, the two men noted "a version of the document that identifies, in highlighted text, information the release of which would present such concerns in light of longstanding principles regarding the protection of intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and other similarly sensitive information.

"We have further identified, in red boxes, the subset of such information for which national security or law enforcement concerns are especially significant. Our determinations have taken into account the information previously declassified by the President as communicated in a letter to HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes dated February 2, 2018."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/10/white-house-seeks-revisions-to-dems-fisa-rebuttal-memo-halting-release.html

I would agree w the “trap argument “ but for the fact that republicans also approved its release . The memo could always be released with plenty of redactions .  Unlike the Nunes memo which was released fully unredcated .
After release of the Nunes memo unredacted, it was clear that no sources and methods were exposed (unless you consider the FBI using Yahoo News as a corroborating source for the dossier as a method that the FBI didn't want released, lol.

At this point, I would prefer that we see everything unredacted, including the Schiff memo, the FISA applications and the judge`s ruling. Put it all out there for the American people to make their own decision.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1862 on: February 10, 2018, 02:41:14 PM »
Trump will not release the democratic memo which incidentally was approved for release by both dems and repubs.

Dems will protest a little bit , in their typical civilized fashion , and then quiet down when bullied by the mainstream media and CNN types that “hey focus on the white working class bread and butter isssues , not some memo“

Only republicans are allowed to raise ruckus like spoiled toddlers and get their idiotic demands met (like the Nunes dud non memo) —  they have the full force and machine of right wing media behind them singing in one voices and the mainstream news outlets get easily cowed by them . Anyone notice Rush Limbaugh on his radio show declare that he doesn’t care about deficits anymore ...

Democrats can’t win this fight unless they give up civility and learn to fight dirty like the other side . They will keep getting bullied ...

Dem memo was a trap that includes sources and methods, so when it was rejected, dem talking heads and the MSM can cry that Trump is playing sides.

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The message was sent to the committee Friday in a letter from White House Counsel Don McGahn.

"Although the president is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time," McGahn wrote.

"However, given the public interest in transparency in these unprecedented circumstances, the President has directed that Justice Department personnel be available to give technical assistance to the Committee, should the Committee wish to revise the February 5th Memorandum to mitigate the risks identified by the Department," McGahn continued. "The President encourages the Committee to undertake these efforts. The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft of the February 5th Memorandum for declassification at the earliest opportunity."

A letter signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray accompanied McGahn's response. In that accompanying letter, the two men noted "a version of the document that identifies, in highlighted text, information the release of which would present such concerns in light of longstanding principles regarding the protection of intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and other similarly sensitive information.

"We have further identified, in red boxes, the subset of such information for which national security or law enforcement concerns are especially significant. Our determinations have taken into account the information previously declassified by the President as communicated in a letter to HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes dated February 2, 2018."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/10/white-house-seeks-revisions-to-dems-fisa-rebuttal-memo-halting-release.html

I would agree w the “trap argument “ but for the fact that republicans also approved its release . The memo could always be released with plenty of redactions .  Unlike the Nunes memo which was released fully unredcated .
After release of the Nunes memo unredacted, it was clear that no sources and methods were exposed (unless you consider the FBI using Yahoo News as a corroborating source for the dossier as a method that the FBI didn't want released, lol.

At this point, I would prefer that we see everything unredacted, including the Schiff memo, the FISA applications and the judge`s ruling. Put it all out there for the American people to make their own decision.

Yes , that would be logical . 

I do think this Atlantic article is a fascinating read  on origins of Russia hacking and Putin's intents ... probably the most balanced that I have seen so far. 

This is also what makes me believe that Trump is not following some grand Putin script, but just lashing out in anger here and there at perceived slights.  Nevertheless it would benefit our country a great deal to at-least get to the bottom of all this .


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/putins-game/546548/


"The coup de grâce, perhaps, was the receipt by the FBI of a dubious document that seemed to paint the Clinton campaign in a bad light. The Washington Post reported this spring on a memo, seemingly from Russian intelligence, that had been obtained by an FBI source during the presidential campaign. The memo claimed that then–Attorney General Loretta Lynch had communicated with a Clinton campaign staffer, providing assurance that the FBI wouldn’t pursue the investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state too strenuously. Sources close to James Comey told The Post that the document had “played a major role” in the way Comey, who as FBI director took fierce pride in his political independence, thought about the case, and had pushed him to make a public statement about it in July 2016. (He said he would bring no charges, but criticized Clinton sharply.) Comey’s public comments about the investigation—in July and then in October—damaged Clinton greatly, possibly costing her the presidency. The document, the article noted, was a suspected Russian forgery.


A forgery, a couple of groups of hackers, and a drip of well-timed leaks were all it took to throw American politics into chaos. Whether and to what extent the Trump campaign was complicit in the Russian efforts is the subject of active inquiries today. Regardless, Putin pulled off a spectacular geopolitical heist on a shoestring budget—about $200 million, according to former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. This point is lost on many Americans: The subversion of the election was as much a product of improvisation and entropy as it was of long-range vision. What makes Putin effective, what makes him dangerous, is not strategic brilliance but a tactical flexibility and adaptability—a willingness to experiment, to disrupt, and to take big risks.

“They do plan,” said a senior Obama-administration official. “They’re not stupid at all. But the idea that they have this all perfectly planned and that Putin is an amazing chess player—that’s not quite it. He knows where he wants to end up, he plans the first few moves, and then he figures out the rest later. People ask if he plays chess or checkers. It’s neither: He plays blackjack. He has a higher acceptance of risk. Think about it. The election interference—that was pretty risky, what he did. If Hillary Clinton had won, there would’ve been hell to pay.”

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1863 on: February 10, 2018, 05:09:56 PM »
:'(

This is the sort of thing someone should post, if they really want desperately to appear as if they are a partisan hack. 

Good job with the brilliant example!

You are learning well from the leader , in terms of name calling . No surprise there .
There was no name calling.  Just pointing out the obvious.  If you want to be taken more seriously, you shouldn't act like a partisan hack.  That is what you are doing.  Your choice of words matter.  The items that you vent about matter.  Picking tit for tat things matter.  (That team did it, my team should be able to do it too).  All those things add up and dilute credibility.

BTW
While I did vote, I voted for no republicans.  Ironically, I'm sure I have no credibility with you because I've chosen to call you out and you are too offended to consider the advice.  It's a futile effort at this point, but maybe others will understand.

And at the same time proving my point about bullying
That you are a bully?  LOL at the  Hypocrisy.  Yes, you are the one acting like a bully.  If you don't believe it, then you are being dishonest with yourself.  Step back and re-examine.

— btw just adding an exclamation mark at the end doesn’t make your post witty or funny . You have a long ways to go there .
I was congratulating you for proving my point.

Maybe the supportive echo chamber will give you a few likes for your post  but we all know what that means .
More hypocrisy

No point indulging in more schoolyard mud slinging and personal attacks . You can debate what was said, let it go, or keep attacking the messsenger. People can draw their own conclusions .
More hypocrisy.

You've proven my point more than enough. 
« Last Edit: February 10, 2018, 05:22:26 PM by spootieho »

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1864 on: February 10, 2018, 05:55:45 PM »
Yes, we've established

you can spell hypocrisy correctly multiple times

everyone by their statements (whatever they maybe) instantly and automatically proves your point

and you view objects through the most objective and non partisan lens possible thereby instantly rendering everyone else higher on the "hackery" scale

Now lets move on ...

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1865 on: February 11, 2018, 03:31:44 AM »
You just happened to be the first example after my post.

 


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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1866 on: February 11, 2018, 10:08:46 AM »
Trump will not release the democratic memo which incidentally was approved for release by both dems and repubs.

Dems will protest a little bit , in their typical civilized fashion , and then quiet down when bullied by the mainstream media and CNN types that “hey focus on the white working class bread and butter isssues , not some memo“

Only republicans are allowed to raise ruckus like spoiled toddlers and get their idiotic demands met (like the Nunes dud non memo) —  they have the full force and machine of right wing media behind them singing in one voices and the mainstream news outlets get easily cowed by them . Anyone notice Rush Limbaugh on his radio show declare that he doesn’t care about deficits anymore ...

Democrats can’t win this fight unless they give up civility and learn to fight dirty like the other side . They will keep getting bullied ...

Dem memo was a trap that includes sources and methods, so when it was rejected, dem talking heads and the MSM can cry that Trump is playing sides.

Quote
The message was sent to the committee Friday in a letter from White House Counsel Don McGahn.

"Although the president is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time," McGahn wrote.

"However, given the public interest in transparency in these unprecedented circumstances, the President has directed that Justice Department personnel be available to give technical assistance to the Committee, should the Committee wish to revise the February 5th Memorandum to mitigate the risks identified by the Department," McGahn continued. "The President encourages the Committee to undertake these efforts. The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft of the February 5th Memorandum for declassification at the earliest opportunity."

A letter signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray accompanied McGahn's response. In that accompanying letter, the two men noted "a version of the document that identifies, in highlighted text, information the release of which would present such concerns in light of longstanding principles regarding the protection of intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and other similarly sensitive information.

"We have further identified, in red boxes, the subset of such information for which national security or law enforcement concerns are especially significant. Our determinations have taken into account the information previously declassified by the President as communicated in a letter to HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes dated February 2, 2018."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/10/white-house-seeks-revisions-to-dems-fisa-rebuttal-memo-halting-release.html

I would agree w the “trap argument “ but for the fact that republicans also approved its release . The memo could always be released with plenty of redactions .  Unlike the Nunes memo which was released fully unredcated .
After release of the Nunes memo unredacted, it was clear that no sources and methods were exposed (unless you consider the FBI using Yahoo News as a corroborating source for the dossier as a method that the FBI didn't want released, lol.

At this point, I would prefer that we see everything unredacted, including the Schiff memo, the FISA applications and the judge`s ruling. Put it all out there for the American people to make their own decision.

Yes , that would be logical . 

I do think this Atlantic article is a fascinating read  on origins of Russia hacking and Putin's intents ... probably the most balanced that I have seen so far. 

This is also what makes me believe that Trump is not following some grand Putin script, but just lashing out in anger here and there at perceived slights.  Nevertheless it would benefit our country a great deal to at-least get to the bottom of all this .


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/putins-game/546548/


"The coup de grâce, perhaps, was the receipt by the FBI of a dubious document that seemed to paint the Clinton campaign in a bad light. The Washington Post reported this spring on a memo, seemingly from Russian intelligence, that had been obtained by an FBI source during the presidential campaign. The memo claimed that then–Attorney General Loretta Lynch had communicated with a Clinton campaign staffer, providing assurance that the FBI wouldn’t pursue the investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state too strenuously. Sources close to James Comey told The Post that the document had “played a major role” in the way Comey, who as FBI director took fierce pride in his political independence, thought about the case, and had pushed him to make a public statement about it in July 2016. (He said he would bring no charges, but criticized Clinton sharply.) Comey’s public comments about the investigation—in July and then in October—damaged Clinton greatly, possibly costing her the presidency. The document, the article noted, was a suspected Russian forgery.


A forgery, a couple of groups of hackers, and a drip of well-timed leaks were all it took to throw American politics into chaos. Whether and to what extent the Trump campaign was complicit in the Russian efforts is the subject of active inquiries today. Regardless, Putin pulled off a spectacular geopolitical heist on a shoestring budget—about $200 million, according to former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. This point is lost on many Americans: The subversion of the election was as much a product of improvisation and entropy as it was of long-range vision. What makes Putin effective, what makes him dangerous, is not strategic brilliance but a tactical flexibility and adaptability—a willingness to experiment, to disrupt, and to take big risks.

“They do plan,” said a senior Obama-administration official. “They’re not stupid at all. But the idea that they have this all perfectly planned and that Putin is an amazing chess player—that’s not quite it. He knows where he wants to end up, he plans the first few moves, and then he figures out the rest later. People ask if he plays chess or checkers. It’s neither: He plays blackjack. He has a higher acceptance of risk. Think about it. The election interference—that was pretty risky, what he did. If Hillary Clinton had won, there would’ve been hell to pay.”
I don't blame him for lashing out in anger if he truly is innocent and the entire MSM is branding him with treason before all the facts are known.

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Re: President Trump
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« Reply #1868 on: February 11, 2018, 11:57:43 AM »
Trump will not release the democratic memo which incidentally was approved for release by both dems and repubs.

Dems will protest a little bit , in their typical civilized fashion , and then quiet down when bullied by the mainstream media and CNN types that “hey focus on the white working class bread and butter isssues , not some memo“

Only republicans are allowed to raise ruckus like spoiled toddlers and get their idiotic demands met (like the Nunes dud non memo) —  they have the full force and machine of right wing media behind them singing in one voices and the mainstream news outlets get easily cowed by them . Anyone notice Rush Limbaugh on his radio show declare that he doesn’t care about deficits anymore ...

Democrats can’t win this fight unless they give up civility and learn to fight dirty like the other side . They will keep getting bullied ...

Dem memo was a trap that includes sources and methods, so when it was rejected, dem talking heads and the MSM can cry that Trump is playing sides.

Quote
The message was sent to the committee Friday in a letter from White House Counsel Don McGahn.

"Although the president is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time," McGahn wrote.

"However, given the public interest in transparency in these unprecedented circumstances, the President has directed that Justice Department personnel be available to give technical assistance to the Committee, should the Committee wish to revise the February 5th Memorandum to mitigate the risks identified by the Department," McGahn continued. "The President encourages the Committee to undertake these efforts. The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft of the February 5th Memorandum for declassification at the earliest opportunity."

A letter signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray accompanied McGahn's response. In that accompanying letter, the two men noted "a version of the document that identifies, in highlighted text, information the release of which would present such concerns in light of longstanding principles regarding the protection of intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and other similarly sensitive information.

"We have further identified, in red boxes, the subset of such information for which national security or law enforcement concerns are especially significant. Our determinations have taken into account the information previously declassified by the President as communicated in a letter to HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes dated February 2, 2018."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/10/white-house-seeks-revisions-to-dems-fisa-rebuttal-memo-halting-release.html

I would agree w the “trap argument “ but for the fact that republicans also approved its release . The memo could always be released with plenty of redactions .  Unlike the Nunes memo which was released fully unredcated .
After release of the Nunes memo unredacted, it was clear that no sources and methods were exposed (unless you consider the FBI using Yahoo News as a corroborating source for the dossier as a method that the FBI didn't want released, lol.

At this point, I would prefer that we see everything unredacted, including the Schiff memo, the FISA applications and the judge`s ruling. Put it all out there for the American people to make their own decision.

Yes , that would be logical . 

I do think this Atlantic article is a fascinating read  on origins of Russia hacking and Putin's intents ... probably the most balanced that I have seen so far. 

This is also what makes me believe that Trump is not following some grand Putin script, but just lashing out in anger here and there at perceived slights.  Nevertheless it would benefit our country a great deal to at-least get to the bottom of all this .


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/putins-game/546548/


"The coup de grâce, perhaps, was the receipt by the FBI of a dubious document that seemed to paint the Clinton campaign in a bad light. The Washington Post reported this spring on a memo, seemingly from Russian intelligence, that had been obtained by an FBI source during the presidential campaign. The memo claimed that then–Attorney General Loretta Lynch had communicated with a Clinton campaign staffer, providing assurance that the FBI wouldn’t pursue the investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state too strenuously. Sources close to James Comey told The Post that the document had “played a major role” in the way Comey, who as FBI director took fierce pride in his political independence, thought about the case, and had pushed him to make a public statement about it in July 2016. (He said he would bring no charges, but criticized Clinton sharply.) Comey’s public comments about the investigation—in July and then in October—damaged Clinton greatly, possibly costing her the presidency. The document, the article noted, was a suspected Russian forgery.


A forgery, a couple of groups of hackers, and a drip of well-timed leaks were all it took to throw American politics into chaos. Whether and to what extent the Trump campaign was complicit in the Russian efforts is the subject of active inquiries today. Regardless, Putin pulled off a spectacular geopolitical heist on a shoestring budget—about $200 million, according to former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. This point is lost on many Americans: The subversion of the election was as much a product of improvisation and entropy as it was of long-range vision. What makes Putin effective, what makes him dangerous, is not strategic brilliance but a tactical flexibility and adaptability—a willingness to experiment, to disrupt, and to take big risks.

“They do plan,” said a senior Obama-administration official. “They’re not stupid at all. But the idea that they have this all perfectly planned and that Putin is an amazing chess player—that’s not quite it. He knows where he wants to end up, he plans the first few moves, and then he figures out the rest later. People ask if he plays chess or checkers. It’s neither: He plays blackjack. He has a higher acceptance of risk. Think about it. The election interference—that was pretty risky, what he did. If Hillary Clinton had won, there would’ve been hell to pay.”
I don't blame him for lashing out in anger if he truly is innocent and the entire MSM is branding him with treason before all the facts are known.

More importantly, we need to take the Russia threat to our democracy very seriously, at-least now , after all we have known, and not doing so is akin to treasonous behavior.  The article goes into great detail about what all is in store for us given Russia's past history with subverting other democracies.

Trump can seethe and fume day and night for all I care,  not my concern. 

They can defend wife beaters and abusers all they want, we are way past the moral rot on that front.

But these people in the White House are tasked with the basic job of protecting our borders , thats the least you expect from a government.  Recent actions of not imposing Russia sanctions (approved by both parties) are not very confidence inspiring. Maybe thats just Trump's way of taking revenge, but he is not supposed to let his petty ego issues come in the way of national security. 

In all this I am not talking about past collusion (or whatever the findings may come out to be) -- this is purely about what to do in the future from here on out .

 

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1869 on: February 13, 2018, 09:01:07 PM »
Has to be the first lawyer in the history of the profession to do something like this out of the goodness of his heart for his billionaire client.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/politics/stormy-daniels-michael-cohen-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Says He Paid Stormy Daniels Out of His Own Pocket



Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, said on Tuesday that he had paid $130,000 out of his own pocket to a pornographic-film actress who had once claimed to have had an affair with Mr. Trump.

In the most detailed explanation of the 2016 payment made to the actress, Stephanie Clifford, Mr. Cohen, who worked as a counsel to the Trump Organization for more than a decade, said he was not reimbursed for the payment.

“Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly,” Mr. Cohen said in a statement to The New York Times. “The payment to Ms. Clifford was lawful, and was not a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure by anyone.”

He declined to answer several follow-up questions, including whether Mr. Trump had been aware that Mr. Cohen made the payment, why he made the payment or whether he had made similar payments to other people over the years.

Mr. Cohen has previously said that Mr. Trump has denied an affair with Ms. Clifford, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels. She has said the affair took place soon after Mr. Trump’s wife, Melania, gave birth to the couple’s son, Barron.

Mr. Cohen’s statement about what he called “a private transaction” was the first time that he had acknowledged a role in the payment, which was first reported in January by The Wall Street Journal.

Mr. Cohen said that he had given a similar statement to the Federal Election Commission in response to a complaint filed by the government watchdog group Common Cause, which contended that the payment, made through a limited liability company that Mr. Cohen established, was an in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign.

Officials with Common Cause also sought to determine whether the payment was made by the Trump Organization or another person.

“The complaint alleges that I somehow violated campaign finance laws by facilitating an excess, in-kind contribution,” Mr. Cohen said in his statement. “The allegations in the complaint are factually unsupported and without legal merit, and my counsel has submitted a response to the F.E.C.”

He said he would not make any additional comments about the commission complaint “or regarding Ms. Clifford.”

Mr. Cohen was among Mr. Trump’s fiercest defenders during his time at the Trump Organization, often telling reporters during the 2016 presidential campaign that even false information about Mr. Trump could be damaging if printed. Ms. Clifford had told her story to the magazine In Touch in 2011, as well as the gossip website TheDirty.com. Both accounts were published last month after the report of the 2016 payment.

In fall 2016, Ms. Clifford was once again in discussions with news outlets, this time more mainstream. The payment from Mr. Cohen reportedly came a few weeks before Election Day — around the same time as the release of the “Access Hollywood” tape that showed Mr. Trump boasting about grabbing women’s genitals without their consent.

Ms. Clifford has not publicly denied an affair with Mr. Trump. A statement released by Mr. Cohen in her name in January denied an affair, but in interviews, she has refused to directly answer questions about it.

She is one of at least two women who claimed to have had affairs with Mr. Trump but who were kept silent through legal agreements. The other is Karen McDougal, a former Playboy model. Ms. McDougal sold her story to the company that owns The National Enquirer, but it was not printed, The Journal reported in 2016.

Hope Hicks, now the White House communications director, said at the time that the report of an affair was “totally untrue” and that the Trump campaign had “no knowledge” of any payment to Ms. McDougal.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1870 on: February 14, 2018, 09:05:00 AM »
Meanwhile, Bill Clinton raped a woman and Hillary Clinton harassed and threatened her to keep quiet.  Yet you didn't believe the woman, and thought Hillary was A-OK for the presidency.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1871 on: February 14, 2018, 09:26:42 AM »
Meanwhile, Bill Clinton raped a woman and Hillary Clinton harassed and threatened her to keep quiet.  Yet you didn't believe the woman, and thought Hillary was A-OK for the presidency.

To quote Reagan .. there you go again.

Who didn’t believe the women ? Me ? Were we active on talk Irvine maybe via fax machines back then

Decades old references are the last resort left now to reflexively defend what is indefensible

Let’s also use this reference to defend wife beaters who are being shielded by the White House PRESENTLY


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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1872 on: February 14, 2018, 09:56:12 AM »
Shock Poll: Republicans Take Lead in Generic Ballot

On Tuesday, Politico and Morning Consult published a poll showing Republicans ahead of Democrats by one point in the generic ballot. This is an improvement for the GOP—Morning Consult put Democrats ahead by four in its last two polls and had them up by 10 in December. The poll also shows Trump with a 47 percent approval rating (equal to his disapproval rating) and is, on the whole, one of the best polls Republicans have seen in a while.

Since the new year, the Democratic edge in generic ballot polls has been diminishing. On January 1 of this year, Democrats held a 12.9 point edge in the RealClearPolitics average, but as of this morning that advantage had dropped to 6.7 points. FiveThirtyEight’s average of polls showed a similar drop—the Democratic advantage went from 12.9 points on January 1, to 7.1 points as of this morning.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/shock-poll-republicans-take-lead-in-generic-ballot/article/2011583

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1873 on: February 14, 2018, 11:29:59 AM »
Meanwhile, Bill Clinton raped a woman and Hillary Clinton harassed and threatened her to keep quiet.  Yet you didn't believe the woman, and thought Hillary was A-OK for the presidency.

To quote Reagan .. there you go again.

Who didn’t believe the women ? Me ? Were we active on talk Irvine maybe via fax machines back then

Decades old references are the last resort left now to reflexively defend what is indefensible

Let’s also use this reference to defend wife beaters who are being shielded by the White House PRESENTLY

You voted for a woman that shielded a rapist.

Of course, you deflect by saying it was "decades ago", but when was Trump's alleged affair with Stormy Daniels again?  Oops..  LOL...

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1874 on: February 14, 2018, 11:56:29 AM »
America Shrugs at Trump Paying Porn Star to Keep Quiet About Old Affair

But there's also something reassuring about our collective failure to be so scandalized here. Do we really want folks to be focusing more on this than the more ongoing and direct doings of Trump and his allies? Shouldn't it matter that Daniels (who had plenty of interested press) chose to accept settlement money rather than dish on her tryst with Trump? Isn't it nice not to have to endless news cycles devoted to something with ample prurient interest but little relevance to almost anyone's lives? Perhaps Americans have exactly the right level of not giving a damn about this.

http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/18/america-shrugs-at-stormy-daniels-story

 

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