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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1575 on: January 12, 2018, 05:57:42 PM »
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I think you nailed it.  I'd be willing to wager there are a lot "closet" Trump supporters out there who did vote for him and will probably vote for him again but they wouldn't be caught dead admitting it for the fear of being ridiculed by friends, family, and social justice warriors.  Case in point, one of my good friends voted for Trump but lied to his wife and said that he voted for Clinton because he didn't want to hear it from her.  haha

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Yes you nailed it too

we all have many good friends who are like that because ... wonder of wonders , we live in orange country

full of white escapees from LA, classic republican stronghold, massive money machine for national GOP,  evangelical crowd,   anti -  "you did not build that"  hard right  immigrants who want to pull up the ladder for other immigrants after having arrived themselves  , etc etc

but Orange County is changing and so is the country ...

it is also true that many people wouldn't be caught dead admitting love for trump ... why ... because it is bad for business and pocket book too. 

am I hiring a contractor with a truck that has a "don't tread on me" sticker on it ? in the past I probably wouldn't have paid any attention, but now I do - and hell, no. same goes for many other small business owners - and I know that many among this contingent are heavy on their support for trump.

there is a large " silent majority " here as well .   it showed up in Virginia and it showed up in Alabama and it is going to show up in 2018

what can the republicans do - make it more difficult for people of color and poor people to vote as they always do - just witness north carolina. 

but even if slightly more than half of post college whites show up to vote democratic (like they did in Virginia )  ,  there is no closet big enough to save trump and his party

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1576 on: January 12, 2018, 06:34:06 PM »
We’ll see about that. There is a silent majority but it’s not the one you think

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1577 on: January 12, 2018, 11:54:35 PM »
Winning!!

FIAT CHRYSLER MOVING SOME PRODUCTION BACK FROM MEXICO

DETROIT -- Citing President Trump's and Congress' new tax law, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles said Thursday that it's going to move some of its production back from Mexico.

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles will invest more than $1 billion to modernize the company's Warren Truck Plant in metro Detroit, adding 2,500 jobs and moving production of its Ram Heavy Duty trucks from Mexico.

The company said that the new federal tax law made the shift possible. That legislation, signed into law in December, cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%.

Fiat Chrysler also announced $2,000 bonuses that will be paid in the second quarter of this year to 60,000 hourly and salaried employees in the U.S., excluding senior leadership. Those bonuses are to be in addition to any profit sharing or performance bonuses the employees would receive this year.

http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/nation-now/fiat-chrysler-moving-some-production-back-from-mexico/465-cf643c1d-9b63-46c0-b898-2ec1a038520e

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1578 on: January 13, 2018, 08:02:39 AM »
We’ll see about that. There is a silent majority but it’s not the one you think

Trump’s Immigration Remarks Outrage Many, but Others Quietly Agree

Moreover, the chaos and violence that have driven people from the Middle East, Southwest Asia and sub-Saharan Africa to seek to live elsewhere, even as far away as Australia and Canada, have also raised fears about refugees who do not appreciate the values of the countries hosting them — or even worse, fears of terrorists taking advantage of humanitarian policies to infiltrate societies and then carry out attacks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/world/europe/trump-immigration-outrage.html

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1579 on: January 13, 2018, 08:30:22 AM »
in your rush to post a sensational headline and spread weekend cheer , you probably didn't even read the article :)

Here is what the article actually talks about -- mostly Eastern Europe , which is currently the hotbed of the far right and Neo nazism in Europe . No surprise there.

It is not your " silent majority " in the US




from the story --

LONDON — The Czech president has called Muslim immigrants criminals. The head of Poland’s governing party has said refugees are riddled with disease. The leader of Hungary has described migrants as a poison.

This week, Austria’s new far-right interior minister suggested “concentrating” migrants in asylum centers — with all its obvious and odious echoes of World War II.

So when President Trump said he did not want immigrants from “shithole” countries, there was ringing silence across broad parts of the European Union, especially in the east, and certainly no chorus of condemnation.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1580 on: January 13, 2018, 08:40:48 AM »
Not really because I don’t think what he said was racist. If he even said it 😆

GOP senators say they 'do not recall' Trump referring to 's---hole countries'

Two GOP senators said Friday they "do not recall" President Trump's reference to "shithole countries" during an Oval Office meeting on immigration.

Sens. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and David Perdue (R-Ga.) issued a joint statement saying they did not recall the president making the exact comments and called out Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) for confirming the comments.

"In regards to Senator Durbin’s accusation, we do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest," the senators wrote. 
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1581 on: January 13, 2018, 11:54:02 AM »
I'm guessing they don't remember the comment because there is nothing memorable about it. People talk like that all the time including democrats.

As for " imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers" Trump needs to stick his wallet where his mouth is and stop importing cheap foreign labor to work at his businesses. I know he claimed he couldn't find Florida locals to take the seasonal jobs, but if he were truly serious about America First, he would offer competitive wages and benefits. Since the Trump organization doesn't have share holders to appease and he claims he is a multi-billionaire, he can afford it.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1582 on: January 13, 2018, 12:55:47 PM »
I'm guessing they don't remember the comment because there is nothing memorable about it. People talk like that all the time including democrats.

As for " imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers" Trump needs to stick his wallet where his mouth is and stop importing cheap foreign labor to work at his businesses. I know he claimed he couldn't find Florida locals to take the seasonal jobs, but if he were truly serious about America First, he would offer competitive wages and benefits. Since the Trump organization doesn't have share holders to appease and he claims he is a multi-billionaire, he can afford it.

If you look at Lindsay Grahm’s Statement, a person can say he said it.


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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1583 on: January 14, 2018, 08:41:49 AM »
Accounts differ...

Take a step back: Did Trump really even say the s-word

There are two trustworthy Republican senators who say they didn't hear Trump say what the leakers claim.  Even Lindsey "I want citizenship and welfare for life for anyone who can sneak into the U.S." Graham didn't confirm the leakers' terminology.  Instead, Graham said Trump said something Lindsey "Americans are the problem and everyone overseas is better than Americans" Graham felt the need to "chastise" Trump about.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/take_a_step_back_did_trump_really_even_say_the_sword.html#ixzz54B518VHU

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1584 on: January 14, 2018, 09:20:12 AM »
Harsh realities

Borders aren’t racist, and some countries are sh—holes

Still, the left’s angry contortions and faux outrage spins to paint Trump as a racist, post-reported “sh—hole” remark, shouldn’t detract from the larger truth that goes like this: Yes, indeed, some nations are cesspools of misery. And calling them out for their cesspool nature isn’t exactly a shocking reflection.

Google images of Haiti, for instance, and what pops are photos of trashy beaches, overcrowded dwellings, debris-strewn neighborhoods — real sh—hole-seeming places, in other words.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/01/14/trump_039shithole039_comment_is_realism_not_racism_431469.html

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1585 on: January 14, 2018, 09:23:16 AM »
Accounts differ...

Take a step back: Did Trump really even say the s-word

There are two trustworthy Republican senators who say they didn't hear Trump say what the leakers claim.  Even Lindsey "I want citizenship and welfare for life for anyone who can sneak into the U.S." Graham didn't confirm the leakers' terminology.  Instead, Graham said Trump said something Lindsey "Americans are the problem and everyone overseas is better than Americans" Graham felt the need to "chastise" Trump about.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/take_a_step_back_did_trump_really_even_say_the_sword.html#ixzz54B518VHU


COLUMBIA, SC (WOLO) – Senator Tim Scott says Senator Graham confirmed to him that the report of the President’s comments regarding “s—hole countries” was “basically accurate.”

In a statement to CNN, Senator Scott called the comment disappointing and added, “The American family was born from immigrants fleeing persecution and poverty and searching for a better future. Our strength lies in our diversity, including those who came here from Africa, the Caribbean and every other corner of the world. To deny these facts would be to ignore the brightest part of our history.”

http://www.abccolumbia.com/2018/01/12/sen-tim-scott-calls-president-trumps-s-hole-countries-remark-disappointing/

Senator Scott is the other senator from South Carolina and confirmed with Graham the other S.C. senator that was there at the meeting. (both of them are republican)



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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1586 on: January 14, 2018, 09:29:35 AM »
How Republican Lawmakers Responded
to Trump’s Vulgar Immigration Remarks

Denounced the President’s Comments

Some lawmakers specifically criticized the president, while others countered the sentiment of his remarks.
(There are too many comments to copy and paste, click the link below)


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/12/us/politics/republican-statements-trump-shithole.html



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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1587 on: January 14, 2018, 06:19:19 PM »
Are those countries not shitholes?

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1588 on: January 14, 2018, 08:15:24 PM »


The Heartbeat of Racism Is Denial


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/opinion/sunday/heartbeat-of-racism-denial.html

When our reality is too ugly, we deny reality. It is too painful to look at. Reality is too hard to accept.

Mental health experts routinely say that denial is among the most common defense mechanisms. Denial is how the person defends his superior sense of self, her racially unequal society.

Mr. Trump appears to be unifying America — unifying Americans in their denial. The more racist Mr. Trump sounds, the more Trump country denies his racism, and the more his opponents look away from their own racism to brand Trump country as racist. Through it all, America remains a unified country of denial.

Fifty years ago, Richard Nixon transformed this historic heartbeat of denial into an intoxicating political philosophy. His presidential candidacy appealed to George Wallace-type segregationists while also attracting Americans who refused to live near “dangerous” black residents, obstructed the desegregation of schools, resisted affirmative action policies, framed black mothers on welfare as undeserving, called the black family pathological and denigrated black culture — all those racists who refused to believe they were racist in 1968.

Nixon designed his campaign, one of his advisers explained, to allow a potential supporter to “avoid admitting to himself that he was attracted by” the “racist appeal.”

A new vocabulary emerged, allowing users to evade admissions of racism. It still holds fast after all these years. The vocabulary list includes these: law and order. War on drugs. Model minority. Reverse discrimination. Race-neutral. Welfare queen. Handout. Tough on crime. Personal responsibility. Black-on-black crime. Achievement gap. No excuses. Race card. Colorblind. Post-racial. Illegal immigrant. Obamacare. War on Cops. Blue Lives Matter. All Lives Matter. Entitlements. Voter fraud. Economic anxiety.

The denials using these phrases come from both conservatives and white liberals who think people of color are stuck in cycles of unstable families and criminal cultures, and that the deprivations of poverty and discrimination spin out bad people.

When someone identifies the obvious, Mr. Trump resounds the beat of denial as he did before he was president: “I’m the least racist person that you’ve ever met,” that “you’ve ever seen,” that “you’ve ever encountered.”

Those denials echo the same ones that frustrated Dr. King in 1963 as he sat in a Birmingham jail cell and wrote, “Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.”

Mr. Trump, I suspect, will go to his grave with his heart beating in denial of the ill will of racism. Many others will as well.

Because we naturally want to look away from our ugliness. We paint over racist reality to make a beautiful delusion of self, of society. We defend this beautiful self and society from our racist reality with the weapons of denial.

Denial is fueled by the stigma associated with being a racist. Feeding the stigma is how “racist” is considered almost like an identity, a brand.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1589 on: January 15, 2018, 06:58:59 AM »
Can we get back to Trump being a Russian puppet?  First week of 2018 the news cycle checked the box for mentally unfit, last week was he's a racist, but we still haven't hit on the Russia narrative yet!

 

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