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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2016, 04:59:30 PM »
I still think plug-in longer range hybrids are where it's at.

EV most of your local driving, hybrid when you need the range.

The Tesla 3 will probably look much nicer than the Chevy Bolt EV.

But until this point Tesla had the long range EV vehicles, now their are other players

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2016, 08:17:14 PM »
What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies


http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz



I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.
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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2016, 10:16:08 PM »
I was initially thinking Costa Mesa would be the easiest because it's not in a mall but the unofficial Google Docs spreadsheet shows more Costa Mesa people, 1 Fashion Island and zero Mission Viejo. 

I don't really go to The Shops in Mission Viejo.  Which traffic is worse  on a Thursday morning from Irvine, going to Fashion Island or south to MV?

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2016, 10:28:31 PM »
Wouldn't that depend on where you are in Irvine?

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2016, 10:41:18 PM »
PS for me.  I'm just not sure about traffic on the 5 south.

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2016, 11:16:41 PM »
google maps (on desktop) will show you typical traffic, and it seems ok (depending on what time) and it's mostly highway driving... fashion island would have significantly more local traffic imo

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2016, 03:09:05 AM »
I was initially thinking Costa Mesa would be the easiest because it's not in a mall but the unofficial Google Docs spreadsheet shows more Costa Mesa people, 1 Fashion Island and zero Mission Viejo. 

I don't really go to The Shops in Mission Viejo.  Which traffic is worse  on a Thursday morning from Irvine, going to Fashion Island or south to MV?

In the morning, From PS it is easier to get to the shops at MV than Costa Mesa or fashion island. You will be going against traffic

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2016, 03:47:44 AM »
What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies


http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz



I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

According to seeking alpha, "Tesla loss per car sold approximately $18,331.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3885356-tesla-earnings-loss-per-car-net-margin-hit-frightening-levels



« Last Edit: March 25, 2016, 03:54:43 AM by eyephone »

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2016, 08:01:40 AM »
What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies


http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz



I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

According to seeking alpha, "Tesla loss per car sold approximately $18,331.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3885356-tesla-earnings-loss-per-car-net-margin-hit-frightening-levels

Sorry..that's a really poor way of measuring profitability.  Tesla has been on an expansion and R&D binge.  That's is why they using up money, not because they're losing money on cars.   There are several articles that estimate that Tesla's profit margin on the Tesla S is as high as 25%, which is incredibly high for a car.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2790765-the-truth-about-teslas-gross-margin

http://marketrealist.com/2015/10/projections-teslas-3q15-gross-margins-drivers/

http://bgr.com/2015/08/11/tesla-model-s-profits-4000/

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2016, 08:59:57 AM »
What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies


http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz



I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

According to seeking alpha, "Tesla loss per car sold approximately $18,331.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3885356-tesla-earnings-loss-per-car-net-margin-hit-frightening-levels

Sorry..that's a really poor way of measuring profitability.  Tesla has been on an expansion and R&D binge.  That's is why they using up money, not because they're losing money on cars.   There are several articles that estimate that Tesla's profit margin on the Tesla S is as high as 25%, which is incredibly high for a car.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2790765-the-truth-about-teslas-gross-margin

http://marketrealist.com/2015/10/projections-teslas-3q15-gross-margins-drivers/

http://bgr.com/2015/08/11/tesla-model-s-profits-4000/

The r&d expenses and SG&A expenses have been increasing.

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2016, 09:03:55 AM »
What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies


http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz



I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

According to seeking alpha, "Tesla loss per car sold approximately $18,331.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3885356-tesla-earnings-loss-per-car-net-margin-hit-frightening-levels

Sorry..that's a really poor way of measuring profitability.  Tesla has been on an expansion and R&D binge.  That's is why they using up money, not because they're losing money on cars.   There are several articles that estimate that Tesla's profit margin on the Tesla S is as high as 25%, which is incredibly high for a car.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2790765-the-truth-about-teslas-gross-margin

http://marketrealist.com/2015/10/projections-teslas-3q15-gross-margins-drivers/

http://bgr.com/2015/08/11/tesla-model-s-profits-4000/

The r&d expenses and SG&A expenses have been increasing.

Yes as they do when you expand to new markets and sell more cars.

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2016, 09:07:09 AM »
What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies


http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz



I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

According to seeking alpha, "Tesla loss per car sold approximately $18,331.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3885356-tesla-earnings-loss-per-car-net-margin-hit-frightening-levels

Sorry..that's a really poor way of measuring profitability.  Tesla has been on an expansion and R&D binge.  That's is why they using up money, not because they're losing money on cars.   There are several articles that estimate that Tesla's profit margin on the Tesla S is as high as 25%, which is incredibly high for a car.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2790765-the-truth-about-teslas-gross-margin

http://marketrealist.com/2015/10/projections-teslas-3q15-gross-margins-drivers/

http://bgr.com/2015/08/11/tesla-model-s-profits-4000/

The r&d expenses and SG&A expenses have been increasing.

Yes as they do when you expand to new markets and sell more cars.


The fact is they are losing money.

When other players enter the long range EV market that means more competition. I predict they will lose more money.

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2016, 09:12:43 AM »
What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies


http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz



I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

According to seeking alpha, "Tesla loss per car sold approximately $18,331.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3885356-tesla-earnings-loss-per-car-net-margin-hit-frightening-levels

Sorry..that's a really poor way of measuring profitability.  Tesla has been on an expansion and R&D binge.  That's is why they using up money, not because they're losing money on cars.   There are several articles that estimate that Tesla's profit margin on the Tesla S is as high as 25%, which is incredibly high for a car.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2790765-the-truth-about-teslas-gross-margin

http://marketrealist.com/2015/10/projections-teslas-3q15-gross-margins-drivers/

http://bgr.com/2015/08/11/tesla-model-s-profits-4000/

The r&d expenses and SG&A expenses have been increasing.

Yes as they do when you expand to new markets and sell more cars.


The fact is they are losing money.

When other players enter the long range EV market that means more competition. I predict they will lose more money.

Yes...Tesla even states that it will not be profitable until 2020.  The big issue is that they still make to few cars. 

Tesla isn't just about making cars, it also makes batteries, which other carmarkers will probably buy because it is easier.   

http://amigobulls.com/articles/tesla-ceo-trash-talks-apple-reveals-profitability-roadmap

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2016, 09:51:54 AM »
Other car makers will not buy batteries from tesla. And tesla doesn't have the expertise to make their batteries that cheap.

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Re: Tesla Model 3
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2016, 09:53:27 AM »
Other car makers will not buy batteries from tesla. And tesla doesn't have the expertise to make their batteries that cheap.

Correction - Toyota did and stopped.

 

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