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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2018, 08:46:35 AM »
Yep, in all the minivans I've owned, I've only removed the 2nd row seats once. Usually folding them forward is enough space to move bigger items like furniture.

If you tend to move many things (like plywood) than fold flat 2nd row is useful, but the utility of the PHEV is more valuable to me.

I just find it weird that of all companies, Chrysler/FCA is the only one with a longer range large vehicle PHEV.
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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2018, 09:01:45 AM »
Whats the PHEV utility?  I get it if your daily shuttle service is under the ev range.

We just picked up a Bolt for our 2nd car replacement i did a focus group a few years back on EV enhanced. The group was very negative on the pay more up front for a tiny savings over years.

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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2018, 09:38:44 AM »
The daily drive around is under the EV range so that also means less going to the gas station.

And remember, I lease, so the "pay more" is essentially the same for similarly equipped vehicles... even if I buy, the tax incentives makes up for the difference in price with the gas version of a similar vehicle.

Also, in my test drives, EV driving is much more quieter, better pickup and less "hot" (although not sure how hot it doesn't get as test drives are short). I'll be able to speak to this more once I get one.
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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2018, 01:02:46 PM »
The daily drive around is under the EV range so that also means less going to the gas station.

And remember, I lease, so the "pay more" is essentially the same for similarly equipped vehicles... even if I buy, the tax incentives makes up for the difference in price with the gas version of a similar vehicle.

Also, in my test drives, EV driving is much more quieter, better pickup and less "hot" (although not sure how hot it doesn't get as test drives are short). I'll be able to speak to this more once I get one.

How competitive was your lease?  I've shopped around for the 2017 phev and the lease rates weren't that great.

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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2018, 02:26:04 PM »
Leases are horrible on the Pacifica PHEV right now. They don't have any that pass down the $7500 Fed credit so they are more expensive than leases on similar gas models.

Right now, for the Pacifica PHEV, the best value is to *buy* because the credits put you at about the same amount (or lower) to get a gas minivan with the same tech and whistles. I think you can get the top of the line Pacifica Limited PHEV for about $45k, take away Fed and Cali credits and you're looking at $36k. A Toyota Sienna XLE/Limited/Premium (which would be the only gas minivan I would buy) runs over $40k even with discounts.

But I would lease that Toyota and not buy it.
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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2018, 04:37:28 PM »
Leases are horrible on the Pacifica PHEV right now. They don't have any that pass down the $7500 Fed credit so they are more expensive than leases on similar gas models.

Right now, for the Pacifica PHEV, the best value is to *buy* because the credits put you at about the same amount (or lower) to get a gas minivan with the same tech and whistles. I think you can get the top of the line Pacifica Limited PHEV for about $45k, take away Fed and Cali credits and you're looking at $36k. A Toyota Sienna XLE/Limited/Premium (which would be the only gas minivan I would buy) runs over $40k even with discounts.

But I would lease that Toyota and not buy it.

Thanks for the info.  I'm surprised they don't pass the fed tax credit as a cap cost reduction.  I did that with my current EV, which made my lease nearly free (to me) after california rebate and sce rebate.  Most lease negotiations lead to cap cost reduction EVs... Weird chrysler wouldn't do that.

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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2018, 04:42:21 PM »
Weird their site literally says lease will pass the fed credit down:

https://www.chrysler.com/content/dam/fca-brands/na/chrysler/en_us/2017/pacifica/hybrid/incentives/pdf/Federal-Plug-In-Electric-Drive-Vehicle-Credit-FS.pdf

Description of Incentive: Internal Revenue Code Section 30D provides an income tax credit of $7,500
for the purchase or lease of the Pacifica Hybrid. For vehicles acquired for personal use, report the credit
from Form 8936 on the appropriate line of the Form 1040.

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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2018, 05:08:12 PM »
Weird their site literally says lease will pass the fed credit down:

https://www.chrysler.com/content/dam/fca-brands/na/chrysler/en_us/2017/pacifica/hybrid/incentives/pdf/Federal-Plug-In-Electric-Drive-Vehicle-Credit-FS.pdf

Description of Incentive: Internal Revenue Code Section 30D provides an income tax credit of $7,500
for the purchase or lease of the Pacifica Hybrid. For vehicles acquired for personal use, report the credit
from Form 8936 on the appropriate line of the Form 1040.

The credit goes to the owner of the lease, which would be Chrysler or whoever you leased with.

You can check the forums on EV vehicles, some leasing companies pass on the savings in a reduced money factor or cap reduction. I haven’t found one for the Pacifica yet.
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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2018, 05:48:42 PM »
So weird.  We leased Fiat 500E which is chrysler and the rebate check came straight to us.

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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2018, 06:07:21 PM »
So weird.  We leased Fiat 500E which is chrysler and the rebate check came straight to us.

Is that the Cali rebate? That goes to the buyer or the leasee.

But the Fed is a credit that reduces your taxes owed... no rebate check.
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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2018, 06:24:05 PM »
Yes CA rebate.  That makes sense.

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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2020, 06:36:35 PM »
IHO,

Time for a new minivan?

Toyota just announced their 2021 Sienna which will ONLY come in hybrid models. AWD will be an option on all trims and estimated combined EPA of 33 mpg.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-toyota-sienna-hybrid-minivan-details/

Comparison between Pacifica, Odyssey, and Sienna:
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-toyota-sienna-hybrid-vs-chrysler-pacifica-honda-odyssey-comparison/

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Re: The New IHOmobile
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2020, 06:42:04 PM »
Yep. Saw that the other day.

But they are behind... it should be a *plug-in* hybrid like the Pacifica.

But alas... I think I'm over my minivan phase. Kids are older... I'm older... I want to go full electric for my next vehicle and that means either the Tesla Y or the Cybertruck.

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