Author Topic: Oil  (Read 8194 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online Irvinecommuter

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 565
  • -Received: 469
  • Posts: 4631
Re: Oil
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2018, 02:00:55 PM »
To our southern refineries and eventual consumption or export.  Either way it means energy based economic profits.  Obama's administration stifled that growth.

Apparently green energy growth doesn't count.

Online morekaos

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 242
  • -Received: 256
  • Posts: 2544
Re: Oil
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2018, 02:04:18 PM »
Laws banning export of petroleum were federal.  Republicans struck down those laws in 2015 paving the way for the export boom we are now witnessing.  Production without buyers is a bit pointless.  Oil and gas has to get to those export points somehow...pipelines help a lot. Politically, philosophically and administratively Obama and the democrats discouraged dirty fossil fuel production.  Whether you agree with them or not, they felt investment in more expensive "renewable " energy was "better".  Economics win out on this one,  it is all about the numbers.

Online Irvinecommuter

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 565
  • -Received: 469
  • Posts: 4631
Re: Oil
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2018, 02:09:36 PM »
Laws banning export of petroleum were federal.  Republicans struck down those laws in 2015 paving the way for the export boom we are now witnessing.  Production without buyers is a bit pointless.  Oil and gas has to get to those export points somehow...pipelines help a lot. Politically, philosophically and administratively Obama and the democrats discouraged dirty fossil fuel production.  Whether you agree with them or not, they felt investment in more expensive "renewable " energy was "better".  Economics win out on this one,  it is all about the numbers.

Because investment in renewable energy is sustainable and contributes to local economies.  Oil production may only benefits a few sections of the country while green energy can be replicated and used throughout the country.  It would allow decentralization of power production and allow a stronger and more sustainable power grid. 

Why do Republicans always think 20 years behind? 

Online morekaos

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 242
  • -Received: 256
  • Posts: 2544
Re: Oil
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2018, 02:16:50 PM »
Nominal production and contribution. Stick with the one who brought ya.


Online Irvinecommuter

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 565
  • -Received: 469
  • Posts: 4631
Re: Oil
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2018, 02:28:04 PM »
Nominal production and contribution. Stick with the one who brought ya.

That's dumb...we should just stick with horse and buggy then.  Look at what China and India are doing.

Online morekaos

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 242
  • -Received: 256
  • Posts: 2544
Re: Oil
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2018, 02:33:00 PM »
Why do you think the price of "clean, renewable" energy is so high?  Is it because its free?  It is not. We sit on so much fossil fuel energy that it will still be powering our world in "20" years.  Its not free but it is plentiful and cheap.  You really think the Chinese believe in global warming?  They control the means of production and that only produces when cheap plentiful energy is available.  Sure they signed the Paris Climate agreement because it cost them nothing and hobbled their competition (US). They went right on buying "dirty" coal, natural gas and oil from anyone who can sell it to them.  Clean energy is a nice story but it can't compete in a energy hungry world without subsidies.  When it can compete, it will but for now we control the levers of energy.  That has been politically driven,  That's a good thing.

Online Irvinecommuter

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 565
  • -Received: 469
  • Posts: 4631
Re: Oil
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2018, 02:43:23 PM »
Why do you think the price of "clean, renewable" energy is so high?  Is it because its free?  It is not. We sit on so much fossil fuel energy that it will still be powering our world in "20" years.  Its not free but it is plentiful and cheap.  You really think the Chinese believe in global warming?  They control the means of production and that only produces when cheap plentiful energy is available.  Sure they signed the Paris Climate agreement because it cost them nothing and hobbled their competition (US). They went right on buying "dirty" coal, natural gas and oil from anyone who can sell it to them.  Clean energy is a nice story but it can't compete in a energy hungry world without subsidies.  When it can compete, it will but for now we control the levers of energy.  That has been politically driven,  That's a good thing.

Yes...I absolutely believe that the Chinese believe in global warming.  Chinese government is a lot of stupid things but it is pragmatic.    It realizes that renewable energy allows it to 1) take the lead in renewable energy production and industries, 2) control and maintain domestic power production, and 3) be a leader in the world where renewable energy is the the future.   

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/18/technology/china-us-clean-energy-solar-farm/index.html

Only GOP thinks in 1970s terms.

Online morekaos

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 242
  • -Received: 256
  • Posts: 2544
Re: Oil
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2018, 02:47:36 PM »
I'd rather wield the energy stick over them, and also trump Russian on supplying plentiful, cheap, reliable  and profitable natural gas to western Europe.  For now we control the market.  I like that.

Online Irvinecommuter

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 565
  • -Received: 469
  • Posts: 4631
Re: Oil
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2018, 02:48:07 PM »
I'd rather wield the energy stick over them, and also trump Russian on supplying plentiful, cheap, reliable  and profitable natural gas to western Europe.  For now we control the market.  I like that.

Keep thinking in 1970s terms.

Online morekaos

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 242
  • -Received: 256
  • Posts: 2544
Re: Oil
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2018, 02:54:14 PM »
No, they got it wrong back then...

What Hubbert Got Wrong About Peak Oil

Hubbert's fame in peak oil circles comes primarily from the assertion that he accurately predicted the 1970 U.S. peak. Because of this prediction, Hubbert is widely-regarded among peak oil adherents as a visionary.

Online Irvinecommuter

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 565
  • -Received: 469
  • Posts: 4631
Re: Oil
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2018, 03:01:43 PM »
No, they got it wrong back then...

What Hubbert Got Wrong About Peak Oil

Hubbert's fame in peak oil circles comes primarily from the assertion that he accurately predicted the 1970 U.S. peak. Because of this prediction, Hubbert is widely-regarded among peak oil adherents as a visionary.

Keep thinking in the 1970s terms.

Online Irvinecommuter

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 565
  • -Received: 469
  • Posts: 4631
Re: Oil
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2018, 04:21:02 PM »
BTW...apparently climate change is not a hoax for the American intelligence community

Quote
"Extreme weather events in a warmer world have the potential for greater impacts and can compound with other drivers to raise the risk of humanitarian disasters, conflict, water and food shortages, population migration, labor shortfalls, price shocks, and power outages," the intelligence threat assessment said. It was presented as the written testimony of Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence appointed by President Donald Trump.

"Worsening air pollution from forest burning, agricultural waste incineration, urbanization, and rapid industrialization—with increasing public awareness—might drive protests against authorities, such as those recently in China, India, and Iran," the assessment said.

"Accelerating biodiversity and species loss—driven by pollution, warming, unsustainable fishing, and acidifying oceans—will jeopardize vital ecosystems that support critical human systems. Recent estimates suggest that the current extinction rate is 100 to 1,000 times the natural extinction rate."

Water scarcity and disease outbreaks, two problems related to climate change, also pose risks, it said.

So does the most striking sign of the upheaval, waves of refugees displaced by complex stresses of climate, disease, poverty and other destabilizing factors, the report warned.

"Challenges from urbanization and migration will persist, while the effects of air pollution, inadequate water, and climate change on human health and livelihood will become more noticeable," the assessment said. "Domestic policy responses to such issues will become more difficult—especially for democracies—as publics become less trusting of authoritative information sources."

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/13022018/climate-change-conflict-disasters-worldwide-threat-assessment-intelligence-agencies-refugees

Online morekaos

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 242
  • -Received: 256
  • Posts: 2544
Re: Oil
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2018, 04:36:24 PM »
So what? Even if One stipulates it exists, there’s nothing that can be done about it. Better to adapt. We will be burning fossil fuels long after you and I are dust. Just too cheap and plentiful. It’s all about the numbers.

Online Irvinecommuter

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 565
  • -Received: 469
  • Posts: 4631
Re: Oil
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2018, 04:51:46 PM »
So what? Even if One stipulates it exists, there’s nothing that can be done about it. Better to adapt. We will be burning fossil fuels long after you and I are dust. Just too cheap and plentiful. It’s all about the numbers.

You are literally advocating the opposite of adapting.

Online morekaos

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 242
  • -Received: 256
  • Posts: 2544
Re: Oil
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2018, 05:17:59 PM »
Not at all. You learn to live with it and move on. We adapted well to the 70’s prediction of global cooling just fine. ( by the way, also caused by man made pollution). We will (if it ever happens) adapt to global warming.


Science: Another Ice Age?

Monday, Nov. 13, 1972

The arrival of another ice age has long been a chilling theme of science fiction. If the earth's recent history is any clue, says Marine Geologist Cesare Emiliani of the University of Miami, a new ice age could become a reality.

Writing in Science, Emiliani reports that the earth has undergone at least eight periods of extreme cold and seven of torrid heat in the past 400,000 years. His conclusion is based on cores of ocean sediment from the Caribbean. Composed of the remains of tiny sea animals, the layered sediment provides a record of climatic changes

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,910467,00.


 

Talk Irvine Links

[Recent Posts]
[FAQ / Rules]

Site Supporters


Related Links

Recent Posts