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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2015, 10:58:35 AM »
The pricing at BP is very disappointing.  The higher mello with the higher pricing, stops us pulling the trigger

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2015, 11:15:50 AM »
The pricing at BP is very disappointing.  The higher mello with the higher pricing, stops us pulling the trigger

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2015, 11:17:30 AM »
Some Stonehate homes have the 2% mello annual increase no?  I could've sworn Shea's Sausalito had that.  Maybe Palo Alto also?
I don't think so. They are all latching onto already existing bonds. Maybe they do and they just don't advertise it?  If I end up buying a Palo Alto, I'll let you guys know.  Still got to wait and see what the price is by the time they got to the couple lots that I'm interested in.  Disappointing BP ended up coming in so high for the initial phases.  I suppose I'll settle for lower taxes and some free solar panels (and a really cheap upgrade to a full solar system), haha, as long as I can get one of my 20+ foot setbacks.

The 20' setback is key. That is just enough to make it a real backyard, and anything more is gravy.

20' from the house or 20' from the cali room?

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2015, 11:22:28 AM »
Some Stonehate homes have the 2% mello annual increase no?  I could've sworn Shea's Sausalito had that.  Maybe Palo Alto also?
I don't think so. They are all latching onto already existing bonds. Maybe they do and they just don't advertise it?  If I end up buying a Palo Alto, I'll let you guys know.  Still got to wait and see what the price is by the time they got to the couple lots that I'm interested in.  Disappointing BP ended up coming in so high for the initial phases.  I suppose I'll settle for lower taxes and some free solar panels (and a really cheap upgrade to a full solar system), haha, as long as I can get one of my 20+ foot setbacks.

The 20' setback is key. That is just enough to make it a real backyard, and anything more is gravy.

20' from the house or 20' from the cali room?
The way the Palo Alo model's work, the set back would essentially be the same, but I've gotten to the point where I'd settle with 20 from the house (sad but true).  Ideal for me is about 20 to 30 foot set back from the California room.  Anything more is way too much maintenance (as I don't need a huge grass area and have no desire for a pool..I live in Irvine so I have great community features that I can mooch off of (er...that I already pay for). Last thing I want is the maintenance / water / electric costs of a pool. Just enough space so you have some "feel" for privacy and enough room to entertain, have an outdoor firepit / seating area, built in BBQ and then some space for some fruit trees / lil garden where I can pretend to garden (even though I'll probably never actually do so...but the idea would be gardening with the lil ones). Oh and of course having space for the lil kids to be able to play / kick a ball, etc. 

The thing that kills me is I don't think the builders get that much more money by shrinking the lots by 500 sq ft. I'd gladly pay a bit of a premium for an extra 1K (which would in general take a 10 foot back yard to a 20-30 foot backyard...presuming you kept the rest of the set backs consistently). 

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2015, 11:27:14 AM »
The pricing at BP is very disappointing.  The higher mello with the higher pricing, stops us pulling the trigger

I admit I was once a BP promoter, now I'm a BP hater. (If that makes sense)

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2015, 11:36:32 AM »
Some Stonehate homes have the 2% mello annual increase no?  I could've sworn Shea's Sausalito had that.  Maybe Palo Alto also?
I don't think so. They are all latching onto already existing bonds. Maybe they do and they just don't advertise it?  If I end up buying a Palo Alto, I'll let you guys know.  Still got to wait and see what the price is by the time they got to the couple lots that I'm interested in.  Disappointing BP ended up coming in so high for the initial phases.  I suppose I'll settle for lower taxes and some free solar panels (and a really cheap upgrade to a full solar system), haha, as long as I can get one of my 20+ foot setbacks.

The 20' setback is key. That is just enough to make it a real backyard, and anything more is gravy.

20' from the house or 20' from the cali room?
The way the Palo Alo model's work, the set back would essentially be the same, but I've gotten to the point where I'd settle with 20 from the house (sad but true).  Ideal for me is about 20 to 30 foot set back from the California room.  Anything more is way too much maintenance (as I don't need a huge grass area and have no desire for a pool..I live in Irvine so I have great community features that I can mooch off of (er...that I already pay for). Last thing I want is the maintenance / water / electric costs of a pool. Just enough space so you have some "feel" for privacy and enough room to entertain, have an outdoor firepit / seating area, built in BBQ and then some space for some fruit trees / lil garden where I can pretend to garden (even though I'll probably never actually do so...but the idea would be gardening with the lil ones). Oh and of course having space for the lil kids to be able to play / kick a ball, etc. 

The thing that kills me is I don't think the builders get that much more money by shrinking the lots by 500 sq ft. I'd gladly pay a bit of a premium for an extra 1K (which would in general take a 10 foot back yard to a 20-30 foot backyard...presuming you kept the rest of the set backs consistently). 

Yea you can definitely achieve all that with 20' from the house. Closer to 30 would be ideal esp if you want to plant trees along the back wall (for privacy/shade/etc). Eats up some of the setbacks. We built veg planters to grow things with our kids. They haven't been that interested but still nice to eat from my garden. Prob cheaper to just buy from whole foods though. Haha.

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2015, 11:39:45 AM »
Some Stonehate homes have the 2% mello annual increase no?  I could've sworn Shea's Sausalito had that.  Maybe Palo Alto also?
I don't think so. They are all latching onto already existing bonds. Maybe they do and they just don't advertise it?  If I end up buying a Palo Alto, I'll let you guys know.  Still got to wait and see what the price is by the time they got to the couple lots that I'm interested in.  Disappointing BP ended up coming in so high for the initial phases.  I suppose I'll settle for lower taxes and some free solar panels (and a really cheap upgrade to a full solar system), haha, as long as I can get one of my 20+ foot setbacks.

The 20' setback is key. That is just enough to make it a real backyard, and anything more is gravy.

20' from the house or 20' from the cali room?

Some CA rooms can extend pretty far from the house. My reference point is Strada, where the CA room/conservatory extends about 2.5'. If you have a CA room though, that feels like part of the backyard and makes it feel bigger. So, would you measure from the edge of the CA room, or the house wall where the CA room starts to extend?

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2015, 11:44:12 AM »
Some Stonehate homes have the 2% mello annual increase no?  I could've sworn Shea's Sausalito had that.  Maybe Palo Alto also?
I don't think so. They are all latching onto already existing bonds. Maybe they do and they just don't advertise it?  If I end up buying a Palo Alto, I'll let you guys know.  Still got to wait and see what the price is by the time they got to the couple lots that I'm interested in.  Disappointing BP ended up coming in so high for the initial phases.  I suppose I'll settle for lower taxes and some free solar panels (and a really cheap upgrade to a full solar system), haha, as long as I can get one of my 20+ foot setbacks.

The 20' setback is key. That is just enough to make it a real backyard, and anything more is gravy.

20' from the house or 20' from the cali room?

Some CA rooms can extend pretty far from the house. My reference point is Strada, where the CA room/conservatory extends about 2.5'. If you have a CA room though, that feels like part of the backyard and makes it feel bigger. So, would you measure from the edge of the CA room, or the house wall where the CA room starts to extend?

20 from Cali room. Also other things to consider are width of house lot. And width of Cali room. Some are more squareish. Others long and rectangular.

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2015, 09:29:53 PM »

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2015, 02:19:08 PM »
Toured Juniper today - all eight lots are available for sale today. This can't possibly be the plan, can it? The goal is to sell the first couple of phases quickly, fan the demand fire, and sell the final phases with the bigger cul-de-sac lots at a huge premium, no?

These are very nice, but priced at $1,272,957-$1,369,677 (2,897-3,328+ sq ft). The typical lot size of 5,100+ is great, but considering the double mello roos, these would need to be priced ~$100K less to compete with other options available. The current price range seems more appropriate for the huge lots in the cul-de-sacs.

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2015, 02:49:10 PM »
I told the sales offices for Juniper, Oakmont, and Rosemont, that they need to get realistic on prices. Said I just can't under any circumstances justify their current pricing compared to market related comps but did point out the certain products that I liked and that I'd love to hear back from them when they adjust to more realistic standards. 

Felt that if I didn't speak my mind, not doing justice. They hear it enough and see poor performance, maybe they just revise prices down.  I can't remember which builder (and I also don't want to call out that person individually) but basically they were in the same camp as I was in terms of how disappointed they were with the pricing info they received. 

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2015, 05:02:31 PM »
No kidding.  At first they said 2 were sold.  Then 1.  And now none?
They had the sales rep giving a grand tour for a bunch of foreigners on opening weekend.  Either no bite or waiting for funds to clear. 

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2015, 05:41:34 PM »
I told the sales offices for Juniper, Oakmont, and Rosemont, that they need to get realistic on prices. Said I just can't under any circumstances justify their current pricing compared to market related comps but did point out the certain products that I liked and that I'd love to hear back from them when they adjust to more realistic standards. 

Felt that if I didn't speak my mind, not doing justice. They hear it enough and see poor performance, maybe they just revise prices down.  I can't remember which builder (and I also don't want to call out that person individually) but basically they were in the same camp as I was in terms of how disappointed they were with the pricing info they received.

I don't feel sorry for the builders. In general, the builders profit margins are good.

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2015, 08:19:34 AM »
It's not too late to adjust pricing, is it? They haven't sold a single lot! Even if they had deposits, they could adjust those sold prices too. That would be good news/bad news for those buyers. "We have great news! We're adjusting your price $100K! The bad news is, we're doing this because nobody else wanted to buy lots like yours."

This would be highly unusual and a serious mea culpa, but what's the alternative? Weren't all Beacon Park lots made available for pre-qualifiers over a month ago? Can they really afford to have all eight lots in the first phase available a couple weeks after the grand opening? Do they really want to be offering $10K closing credits and $50K+ upgrade credits this soon, in Phase 1?

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Re: Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2015, 10:41:02 PM »
If they've really sold zero lots, they may actually consider a formal written offer at $100k-$150k under list price.  Somebody has to get the ball rolling.

 

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