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Re: God?
« Reply #615 on: July 14, 2020, 09:07:02 AM »
I think what you are missing is neither of us know exactly what God’s standard is because we are both just human.

Again, the way you phrase your posts is that you are right and I am wrong.

The way I am phrasing mine is that we can both be right or both be wrong.

What makes you think your perspective is correct or any more biblical than mine? Are you a pastor? Have you been to bible college or seminary? We are just two randoms on a semi-anonymous forum. :)

I'm sorry if the way I'm phrasing my posts sounded like that, but it's not my personal view only. It's what most biblical scholars and teachers who respectfully study and present their doctrines to the church (and public) believe. Yes, there are many interpretations and some different views on certain things by different teachers, but those who try to maintain in its puritan view are what I come to agree more and more as I keep reading the Bible. You can check out "Five solae of the Protestant Reformation" if you want to know more.

As much as I don't know about you, you also don't know if I'm Hebrew or someone who's been to bible colleges. Those are things you assumed of me someone who's not. If I've been to a bible college or seminary or a pastor, does that give you more credibility from me? I believe I already mentioned I'm not a pastor but do serve in our church. Just asking since you pointed those out.

Christianity is a belief. The belief has laid out what's right and wrong. What's sin and what's not. Many other religions are sort of reconstructing their religious systems in a way that there is no real right or wrong. Everything-and-everyone-is-acceptable kind of approach as long as it's beneficial to me. That's actually a part of what Jewish leaders and Rabbis were teaching when Jesus came which He rebuked them of. Such view makes me think twice since that has no real belief then because it's just all about making more positive profit for me in disguise of helping others.

I know your argument is that how we, the common folks, know what God meant as right and wrong. I believe that's where the Spirit of God gives us discernment. I really believe the Holy Spirit was doing that Reformation from the apostate Catholic system. I really believe God arranged those 66 books in separate chapters and verses in the Holy Bible in a way we, the common folks, can have access to and read so that we can know what God sees right and wrong. I pray the Holy Spirit gives you and I the same message of the gospel of Jesus Christ one day.

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Re: God?
« Reply #616 on: July 14, 2020, 10:48:18 AM »
There you go again. What makes your "Spirit of God" any different from mine?

And you can't say "my personal view" and then in the next sentence say "most biblical scholars and teachers". Who knows, their interpretations could also be erroneous. Everyone thought the world was flat at one time.

I'm not trying to convince you that I'm right or that you're wrong... I'm just trying to say that no one is absolutely right... no one... only God. That's where I accept you and you don't accept me (but maybe you are).
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Re: God?
« Reply #617 on: July 14, 2020, 11:06:25 AM »
There you go again. What makes your "Spirit of God" any different from mine?

And you can't say "my personal view" and then in the next sentence say "most biblical scholars and teachers". Who knows, their interpretations could also be erroneous. Everyone thought the world was flat at one time.

I'm not trying to convince you that I'm right or that you're wrong... I'm just trying to say that no one is absolutely right... no one... only God. That's where I accept you and you don't accept me (but maybe you are).

I'm simply saying the Spirit of God is the One who gives the right interpretation. The word interpretation is not really that ideal anyways, since the Bible is pretty straightforward.

I do accept you. That's why I keep posting replies back and forth with you. Yes, no one is absolutely right, no one. Only God is. And He gave everyone His Words. (You might be rolling your eyes now lol.)

Anyways, maybe check this video. It's an audio since there is no real video footage.

It talks about the same thing I'm saying but much better.


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Re: God?
« Reply #618 on: July 16, 2020, 01:49:55 PM »
How do we, Christians, know if we're really saved?

The only clear proof you can have as a real believer is "love." What is love? I've posted about this, but I'll write briefly again. This is love - God gave His only Son to us to forgive of our sin. That means we're now adopted as the sinless children of God if we've believed God sent His Son for us. This is what children of God do - They share this message and share everything (time, gifts/talents, money, possessions, forgiving, even their lives) among those who believe this message. These two come to fulfill the greatest commandments - 1. To love God with all heart, soul and strength and 2. To love your neighbor as yourself.

However, the reality is that even if we're Christians, we sometimes don't find ourselves always loving God and loving other believers. This is because while our spirit might have been made sinless by the blood of Jesus in God's forgiveness, we're still in our sinful flesh living in this world. That is why we're poor in spirit, hungry for more righteousness and also sometimes mournful and meek since we find ourselves not completely living up to the standard of God in our flesh yet (Matthew 5). The day will come though when our body is either transformed as or resurrected with the perfect body like Christ's, but until then we're humbly but joyfully waiting in such hope.

Although we don't find ourselves loving always perfectly, we still have this desire to be always loving. That's the difference between believers and non-believers, between the saved and the unredeemed. This is why no one can really tell externally if you're saved or not except God and maybe yourself. Some people clearly show they reject God, but I'm talking about those who actually look "good" in churches. Some people might look fine and look like loving on the outside, but God fully knows if their hearts are genuine or hypocritical. No one among the Twelve knew Judas Iscariot would betray Jesus until that very night he actually did so.

So those who have this desire to love God and others are the ones who have the Spirit of God residing in them. The Holy Spirit is more common Name we know as. Those who have the Holy Spirit are the ones who are really saved according to the Bible. There are some ways you can know if you have the Holy Spirit or not, but one of the fastest ways is to look at where you're going when you're in trouble. In times of trials, do you run to someone or something else instead of God? Or do you call Abba (Daddy), Father and cry out for help directly to God Himself? David did the latter when he was in all sorts of troubles, but experienced God's deliverance as a result. Jesus also cried to the Father the night before He was crucified. Although His cry was because of His desire not to be separated from God at all (since death separates one from God), Jesus still showed us how the real believer always runs to God directly calling Him, Daddy. Dad will come and help. Abba Father did send angels to comfort Jesus and also strengthened Him by the hope of resurrection, the Father and the Son being one again. It is the Holy Spirit who calls out in us at such times (Romans 8:26). The Holy Spirit intercedes for us, the children of God, by calling Daddy for help. 

While there could be countless evidences we can tell if we're really saved or not I wanted to share some from what I've gotten from the Bible so far and also from my personal life. Do we love God? Do we love one another? Do we find ourselves in agony of not always loving perfectly? Do we hope for the day that we will love God and one another perfectly finally? Do we run to God when we're in trouble? Do we call Him Daddy? Even if your answers to these are "no," God still wants you to know there is His forgiveness and will to adopt you as sons and daughters of God. That is by believing God's one and only Son, Jesus. His perfect love displayed in perfect forgiveness in Jesus is still available. You do have to hear the Word of God or read the Bible to know more about this love in detail. It's not something you hear or read once and be done with. Christian faith is something you do and you are as a lifelong process as in relationship with God. By believing His love though, you're now adopted as the sinless children of God. That's the beginning with a firm assurance of salvation.

edit: some typo. maybe more coming...
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