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Re: God?
« Reply #510 on: November 06, 2019, 10:55:40 AM »
Actually, I am deeply Catholic but I respect your point of view about the church (many see it like you do).  The post was mostly lamenting the decline of faith...not attacking it.  Form is an entirely different topic to me.

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« Reply #511 on: November 06, 2019, 02:16:14 PM »
Actually, I am deeply Catholic but I respect your point of view about the church (many see it like you do).  The post was mostly lamenting the decline of faith...not attacking it.  Form is an entirely different topic to me.

Thanks for clarifying your position.

I think one of the big reasons why people are abandoning faith is because they are seeing so many hypocritical church leaders. Since church leaders or pastors or priests, whatever you want to call are not doing their job right, poor people are getting hurt and leaving faith altogether. People who leave are not any better either because they shouldn't rely on people for their faith but only onto God alone. However, the leaders do need to sort out their position more than anything. Their primary job is to teach people the Word of God. Once they put anything more important than that (money, power, politics, or even relationship), they are not obeying God. God does give their job description in both the OT and the NT and they should follow it.

Another reason people leave faith is because people are sinful. People have been sinful since Adam fell anyways and people always have been loving sin more than God. Even when Jesus was ministering in this earth, it seemed like many people were gathering in, but as soon as Jesus talked about commitment, most people left Him, cursed Him, and even killed Him. If it was decline of faith even when Jesus Himself was doing, how hard would it be for us? However, Jesus did promise that His disciples would do greater things than He did and it did happen when The Apostles preached the gospel as we can see in the Book of Acts, witnessing thousands of people being converted. Even in the midst of this sinful human nature, if you firmly believe Jesus is the Son of God, who came into the flesh, who died and rose again for us, the only way to salvation, then it's God who gave you that conviction so hold on to it to the very end as the most latter Books of the NT are teaching that very truth.

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« Reply #512 on: November 06, 2019, 02:19:33 PM »
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If you really mean that, Amen, brethren.

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« Reply #513 on: March 19, 2020, 10:25:47 AM »
With this current Covid-19 situation, there are couple things came to my mind.

First, why am I writing this in God thread? Well, as a Christian myself I have to see the situation why God has allowed this to happen at this time. Many are saying it came from China with them eating exotic animals and it spread world wide. While that could be true (or not), we have to see deeper than that. Here are some positive things we can consider.

1. We can spend more time with family. Working from home is in a way forcing us to stay together. While some might not be fortunate to have this privilege, if you do, that's something you can thank God for.

2. Churches are closed. Why is this a positive thing? Well, at first it was pretty sad to see empty seats at our church. I'm serving at our church so I still have to go and we're doing online service every Sunday until things get better. I believe this situation is reminding us what true worship is. It's not just bunch of people gathering on Sunday and do what all the others churches normally do. Where there are two or more people in Jesus' Name, that is church even if that is at home. Without nice seats, music, and social friends, we can still be church. We can have a family worship at home which is the most important social place to begin with especially for learning kids. Thankfully, many churches are capable of online service now days, so we can also stream for the Word of God easily.

3. Kids might appreciate schools more. I never hated school. I always loved going to school all the way up to college. But I found most (or many) kids hate to go to school. But when they finally go back, they might realize they belong where they're supposed to be. Also we adults might find ourselves we've been taking things for granted. Every day is a gift from God and we can find ourselves thankful for we were able to do things without any limitations like now.

4. With all the negativities going on, Christians should repent. Christians now days especially in well developed countries like the US are pretty spoiled. I can include myself on that also. There is no hunger for God. There is no real selfless love anymore. We're all worried about money and think about how we can have a little more. We lie to cover up and call it a white lie to justify ourselves. With this Covid-19, God is actually rebuking us in a mild way IMHO. It could have been much worse, but God is still giving us a chance to repent and live a life that is Christ-driven life. Of course, we ourselves can't fully accomplish this. That's why we need to repent for our sins and ask God for help so that Christ will live our lives instead of us trying with our faultiness. This nation also needs our prayer for there's been too much hypocrisy in the name of God used in wrong ways so many times from political leaders to even small churches. While we repent, we should pray for leaders of this nation and other nations even if you don't like the current administration. Because that is what Jesus taught and also Paul reminded us, Christ believers to do so.

I pray and also have a firm assurance that God will protect His people in the midst of hard times. I'm not saying if you believe in God, you won't get Covid-19. Whether you get it or not, in times like this is where we can fully depend on God and see how He leads us. He will make all of these to work together for our good. Stay safe, everyone!

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Re: God?
« Reply #514 on: March 19, 2020, 01:17:55 PM »
Online service is interesting. What was nice was old members from other states could make it.

This may be elevator buttonish but sometimes I feel like the people who don't have faith cause this kind of panic and hoarding we are seeing.

Or there are people like qwerty who thinks we are all crazy. :)
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« Reply #515 on: March 19, 2020, 01:21:38 PM »
Online service is interesting. What was nice was old members from other states could make it.

This may be elevator buttonish but sometimes I feel like the people who don't have faith cause this kind of panic and hoarding we are seeing.

Or there are people like qwerty who thinks we are all crazy. :)

I thought he joined the club.

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« Reply #516 on: March 19, 2020, 01:32:28 PM »
Online service is interesting. What was nice was old members from other states could make it.

This may be elevator buttonish but sometimes I feel like the people who don't have faith cause this kind of panic and hoarding we are seeing.

Or there are people like qwerty who thinks we are all crazy. :)

Lack of faith results in panic and hoarding is a result of panic. Interestingly, The Bible does command not to pile stuff up for yourself selfishly since God can take all those away and your life as well. God also can give all those and sustain your life at the same time. So we are to trust Him and our only job is to love one another.

Although I think some people even with faith would be tempted to buy more than usual because things they need might not be in stock at the moment, I think we just need to be wise and change/adjust accordingly. Hoarding selfishly and youngsters partying like how it's happening at Florida beach are both bad examples especially if you claim to have faith in Christ.

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« Reply #517 on: March 20, 2020, 01:38:38 PM »
Something other than coronavirus..

So let me ask especially Christian brothers and sisters here. When someone says God gave you a promise, what does that mean? I've heard pastors preaching like "Hold on to what God has promised for your life." How do you take that? Has God really given you a certain promise? Has He spoken to you personally? Has it come to your mind when you were praying or reading His Words? Please share if you have something like this or even if you disagree with such things. Would love to discuss on this matter.

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« Reply #518 on: March 20, 2020, 01:50:01 PM »
Wish IrvineCommuter was still active... although we disagree on small lots, we are closely aligned when it comes to God and Irvine house values and he is more articulate than I am in regards to this.

I'm not sure what you mean by "hold on to what God promised", but I do believe he has promised Christians something (and by that I don't mean a Tesla Y).
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« Reply #519 on: March 20, 2020, 02:48:03 PM »
Wish IrvineCommuter was still active... although we disagree on small lots, we are closely aligned when it comes to God and Irvine house values and he is more articulate than I am in regards to this.

I'm not sure what you mean by "hold on to what God promised", but I do believe he has promised Christians something (and by that I don't mean a Tesla Y).

What is that God has promised you? That's what I want to know. Is it a personal thing? Is it Christ's return?

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« Reply #520 on: March 26, 2020, 10:04:24 AM »
Those who regularly attend church on Sunday, how's streaming online service going for you guys?

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« Reply #521 on: March 30, 2020, 10:25:27 AM »
Wish IrvineCommuter was still active... although we disagree on small lots, we are closely aligned when it comes to God and Irvine house values and he is more articulate than I am in regards to this.

I'm not sure what you mean by "hold on to what God promised", but I do believe he has promised Christians something (and by that I don't mean a Tesla Y).

What is that God has promised you? That's what I want to know. Is it a personal thing? Is it Christ's return?

John 3:16.

I think it mentions a Tesla Y in there too. :)
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« Reply #522 on: March 30, 2020, 10:26:49 AM »
Those who regularly attend church on Sunday, how's streaming online service going for you guys?

Since ours is small, we video conference so it's interactive and actually better because I can be in my PJs. :)
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« Reply #523 on: March 30, 2020, 02:32:31 PM »
Wish IrvineCommuter was still active... although we disagree on small lots, we are closely aligned when it comes to God and Irvine house values and he is more articulate than I am in regards to this.

I'm not sure what you mean by "hold on to what God promised", but I do believe he has promised Christians something (and by that I don't mean a Tesla Y).

What is that God has promised you? That's what I want to know. Is it a personal thing? Is it Christ's return?

John 3:16.

I think it mentions a Tesla Y in there too. :)

So for you, God's promise is the eternal life if you believe Jesus is Christ. I think that's the right direction.

Some pastors give false promises like there would be only prosperities if you believed in Jesus. Sure, we need encouragement from God's words time to time, but once you lose the main message that Jesus is Christ who is the only way to the eternal life, there comes things like a Tesla Y and etc. (I know you were joking on the Tesla ;D). I even heard some false pastors came up with fake remedies/medicines or some sort for this coronavirus now. Those things really has nothing to do with Jesus at all.

I just thought it would be important to focus on God's perspective based on God's written Scripture when we talk about God's promise. Once we start to focus on our perspective, things get lost real quick. Even that John 3:16 promise is really talking about God's love before anything.

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« Reply #524 on: March 30, 2020, 02:38:59 PM »
Those who regularly attend church on Sunday, how's streaming online service going for you guys?

Since ours is small, we video conference so it's interactive and actually better because I can be in my PJs. :)

I actually don't mind streaming or the video conference style of service at all. It's good to meet up and gather and stuff, but streaming live from home is also good that the whole family get to do it together. I heard some churches refuse to listen to the government order and keep meeting up, but I don't think that's biblical at all either if you were to listen to Jesus' and Paul's teaching on submission to the authorities.

How would it have been if there was no such technology and this stay home situation were to occur? Really interesting time, but God's timing is just flawless.

 

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