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Title: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: zovall on March 05, 2012, 07:03:33 AM
Blog post by CZ:
http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/blog/comments/api-equity
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: rkp on March 05, 2012, 09:13:26 AM
i thought woodbury fed into irvine HS and not northwood....
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 05, 2012, 10:09:05 AM
i thought woodbury fed into irvine HS and not northwood....

I noticed that as well.
It’s Irvine High
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 05, 2012, 10:16:09 AM
The variation with APIs and Equity don't seem to be as directly correlated as you would think.

Regardless, almost any school in the IUSD (and parts of the TUSD) are very good... the OC Register rates the IUSD as top school district again:

http://www.ocregister.com/news/schools-342930-school-high.html

Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: zovall on March 05, 2012, 10:17:07 AM
Good catch, I've updated the post showing that Woodbury feeds into Irvine High.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 05, 2012, 10:41:02 AM
The median price is expected to be lower in older neighborhoods where homes are larger. The newer neighborhoods have much higher concentration of entry level smaller detached homes therefore the value ratio is substantially higher.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on March 05, 2012, 03:21:00 PM
i thought woodbury fed into irvine HS and not northwood....

Part of Woodbury comes under Northwood High, I think. What I did was, plugged random addresses from redfin into the IUSD school locator and listed those schools. Now that I check more houses, it shows the High School as Irvine High.

Ex:35 Diamond #92
Irvine school locator says:

35 Diamond is assigned to the following schools:

Elementary school
Stonegate Elementary
100 Honors
Phone: 949-936-6450

Middle school
Sierra Vista Middle
2 Liberty
Phone: 949-936-6600

High school
Northwood High
4515 Portola Parkway
Phone: 949-936-7200

Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 05, 2012, 03:29:39 PM
i thought woodbury fed into irvine HS and not northwood....

Part of Woodbury comes under Northwood High, I think. What I did was, plugged random addresses from redfin into the IUSD school locator and listed those schools. Now that I check more houses, it shows the High School as Irvine High.

Ex:35 Diamond #92
Irvine school locator says:

35 Diamond is assigned to the following schools:

Elementary school
Stonegate Elementary
100 Honors
Phone: 949-936-6450

Middle school
Sierra Vista Middle
2 Liberty
Phone: 949-936-6600

High school
Northwood High
4515 Portola Parkway
Phone: 949-936-7200

I believe the address you referenced is located in Stonegate, which feeds into Northwood High
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on March 05, 2012, 03:35:33 PM
Yes, that's what I did! Should I just blame redfin and get out of here? :-)
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: traceimage on March 05, 2012, 04:31:08 PM
I think Irvine High School is actually preferable to Northwood...does anyone else think so?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 05, 2012, 04:37:36 PM
I think order of preference is:

University
Northwood
Irvine
Woodbridge

(the last 2 are interchangeable... Beckman could probably go in there too)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on March 05, 2012, 04:40:40 PM
No, I think Northwood is above Irvine High.
What do they screen high schools on? The scores or the percentage of kids that make it to better colleges?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: traceimage on March 05, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
Yeah, Northwood is ranked higher, but I think I'd rather have my child go to Irvine if I had a choice between the two. Irvine High seems to be a little less academically competitive. There's also a bit more diversity.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 05, 2012, 07:01:09 PM
Yeah, Northwood is ranked higher, but I think I'd rather have my child go to Irvine if I had a choice between the two. Irvine High seems to be a little less academically competitive. There's also a bit more diversity.

I tend to agree with you
IHO's got the order correct
The first two schools are the most sought after
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: The California Court Company on March 05, 2012, 07:14:09 PM
Diamond is the street name for some of the San Marcos homes. Redfin often puts Stonegate homes under Woodbury. The best way to tell is by year built and price. If built in 2011 or later, less than high 900's and detached, it must be Stonegate.

Woodbury residents do have the option to send kids to Stonegate elementary unless they change that.

I would avoid going to Irvine high school. Most of Irvine ghettos feed into Irvine high (cross-reference with the prior post on Irvine's housing stock).

I would rank the High schools in this order:
Tier 1:
University
Northwood

Tier 2:
Beckman
Woodbridge

Tier 3:
Irvine
Tustin high school
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 05, 2012, 07:21:23 PM
So how many of you have children in high school or about college bound? You are all shopping for schools like your kids are the future scholars. Let me paint you a more realistic picture. Your kids will come home with mostly B's and C grade by the time they attend high schools. The competitions are really tough. Are you the tiger parents who will quit your job just to drive your kids from Kumon to Sylvan to Oxford to Chinese Cultural Center to Swimming to Piano Tutor to volunteering service to CTY John Hopkins then to all the after school sports and or orchestra and band practice. The answer is no because both parents need the income to pay for mortgage, MR and HOA. You are already at a disadvantage when coming to giving your kids the proper tool to succeed in the top Irvine schools.

The straight As kids are trained like Chinese Gymnasts from toddlers just to kick your kids ass in all curriculums. These kids start at zero period at 7 am in the morning then continue to 2:30pm. The parents will cut you off in the parking lot because they must pick up their kids to get to Oxford tutoring by 3pm then back to school by 4:30 for athletic team or orchestra practice. They will then be rushed home for dinner with meal already prepared by grand parents. Piano lessons begin at 7 and must be home by 8:30 for homeworks and studying. These kids stay up pass midnight and the next day cycle begin at 7am at school.

Summer meant no vacation. More tutoring and SAT for the next academic year or some volunteer services in a  3rd world country. if the kid has student government then more time away from home to take care of school businesses.

These super kids will shame just about any average kids and this type of pressure is no joke.

If you feel like a loser compared to Indies wealth and demeanor. A $100k or even $200k means nothing to him. Do you have any idea to the magnitude of his remodel while you are just shopping for your modest little cookie jar? This is just mild compared for what your children having to go through feeling like a loser compared to the well nurtured academic scholars in their school.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: MovingOnUp on March 05, 2012, 08:28:05 PM
So how many of you have children in high school or about college bound? You are all shopping for schools like your kids are the future scholars. Let me paint you a more realistic picture. Your kids will come home with mostly B's and C grade by the time they attend high schools. The competitions are really tough. Are you the tiger parents who will quit your job just to drive your kids from Kumon to Sylvan to Oxford to Chinese Cultural Center to Swimming to Piano Tutor to volunteering service to CTY John Hopkins then to all the after school sports and or orchestra and band practice. The answer is no because both parents need the income to pay for mortgage, MR and HOA. You are already at a disadvantage when coming to giving your kids the proper tool to succeed in the top Irvine schools.

The straight As kids are trained like Chinese Gymnasts from toddlers just to kick your kids ass in all curriculums. These kids start at zero period at 7 am in the morning then continue to 2:30pm. The parents will cut you off in the parking lot because they must pick up their kids to get to Oxford tutoring by 3pm then back to school by 4:30 for athletic team or orchestra practice. They will then be rushed home for dinner with meal already prepared by grand parents. Piano lessons begin at 7 and must be home by 8:30 for homeworks and studying. These kids stay up pass midnight and the next day cycle begin at 7am at school.

Summer meant no vacation. More tutoring and SAT for the next academic year or some volunteer services in a  3rd world country. if the kid has student government then more time away from home to take care of school businesses.

These super kids will shame just about any average kids and this type of pressure is no joke.

If you feel like a loser compared to Indies wealth and demeanor. A $100k or even $200k means nothing to him. Do you have any idea to the magnitude of his remodel while you are just shopping for your modest little cookie jar? This is just mild compared for what your children having to go through feeling like a loser compared to the well nurtured academic scholars in their school.

quit sugarcoating...what's it really like?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 05, 2012, 09:23:02 PM
Miserable! Harvard dream shattered. Dreading that license plate frame that reads " Parent of UCI student".

So how many of you have children in high school or about college bound? You are all shopping for schools like your kids are the future scholars. Let me paint you a more realistic picture. Your kids will come home with mostly B's and C grade by the time they attend high schools. The competitions are really tough. Are you the tiger parents who will quit your job just to drive your kids from Kumon to Sylvan to Oxford to Chinese Cultural Center to Swimming to Piano Tutor to volunteering service to CTY John Hopkins then to all the after school sports and or orchestra and band practice. The answer is no because both parents need the income to pay for mortgage, MR and HOA. You are already at a disadvantage when coming to giving your kids the proper tool to succeed in the top Irvine schools.

The straight As kids are trained like Chinese Gymnasts from toddlers just to kick your kids ass in all curriculums. These kids start at zero period at 7 am in the morning then continue to 2:30pm. The parents will cut you off in the parking lot because they must pick up their kids to get to Oxford tutoring by 3pm then back to school by 4:30 for athletic team or orchestra practice. They will then be rushed home for dinner with meal already prepared by grand parents. Piano lessons begin at 7 and must be home by 8:30 for homeworks and studying. These kids stay up pass midnight and the next day cycle begin at 7am at school.

Summer meant no vacation. More tutoring and SAT for the next academic year or some volunteer services in a  3rd world country. if the kid has student government then more time away from home to take care of school businesses.

These super kids will shame just about any average kids and this type of pressure is no joke.

If you feel like a loser compared to Indies wealth and demeanor. A $100k or even $200k means nothing to him. Do you have any idea to the magnitude of his remodel while you are just shopping for your modest little cookie jar? This is just mild compared for what your children having to go through feeling like a loser compared to the well nurtured academic scholars in their school.

quit sugarcoating...what's it really like?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on March 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
So how many of you have children in high school or about college bound? You are all shopping for schools like your kids are the future scholars. Let me paint you a more realistic picture. Your kids will come home with mostly B's and C grade by the time they attend high schools. The competitions are really tough. Are you the tiger parents who will quit your job just to drive your kids from Kumon to Sylvan to Oxford to Chinese Cultural Center to Swimming to Piano Tutor to volunteering service to CTY John Hopkins then to all the after school sports and or orchestra and band practice. The answer is no because both parents need the income to pay for mortgage, MR and HOA. You are already at a disadvantage when coming to giving your kids the proper tool to succeed in the top Irvine schools.

The straight As kids are trained like Chinese Gymnasts from toddlers just to kick your kids ass in all curriculums. These kids start at zero period at 7 am in the morning then continue to 2:30pm. The parents will cut you off in the parking lot because they must pick up their kids to get to Oxford tutoring by 3pm then back to school by 4:30 for athletic team or orchestra practice. They will then be rushed home for dinner with meal already prepared by grand parents. Piano lessons begin at 7 and must be home by 8:30 for homeworks and studying. These kids stay up pass midnight and the next day cycle begin at 7am at school.

Summer meant no vacation. More tutoring and SAT for the next academic year or some volunteer services in a  3rd world country. if the kid has student government then more time away from home to take care of school businesses.

These super kids will shame just about any average kids and this type of pressure is no joke.

If you feel like a loser compared to Indies wealth and demeanor. A $100k or even $200k means nothing to him. Do you have any idea to the magnitude of his remodel while you are just shopping for your modest little cookie jar? This is just mild compared for what your children having to go through feeling like a loser compared to the well nurtured academic scholars in their school.
Boy, I'm so glad I did not have to go through all of that.  The fear of a some belt lashes in the behind were all the inspiration that I needed to do well in school (that and a very good memory helped). 
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 05, 2012, 10:06:37 PM
Sounded like Santa Ana's MaterDei came to the rescue!
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on March 05, 2012, 10:08:40 PM
Sounded like Santa Ana's MaterDei came to the rescue!
It definitely wasn't the brutal cut throat student world you described above.  There were some great authentic mexican places to eat within walking distance of school.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 05, 2012, 10:14:19 PM
Taco Donut Star?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 06, 2012, 10:59:14 AM
Miserable! Harvard dream shattered. Dreading that license plate frame that reads " Parent of UCI student".

That was a very insightful and sobering post.
I like the fact that you didn’t pull any punches.
A lot of parents are concerned with many of those issues whiched you touched upon.
Rather than rolling over we made a choice to do the best we can and see what develops.
Overcoming challenges and obstacles is a part of life and we feel that you fail by not trying. 
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 06, 2012, 11:10:00 AM
So how many of you have children in high school or about college bound? You are all shopping for schools like your kids are the future scholars. Let me paint you a more realistic picture. Your kids will come home with mostly B's and C grade by the time they attend high schools. The competitions are really tough. Are you the tiger parents who will quit your job just to drive your kids from Kumon to Sylvan to Oxford to Chinese Cultural Center to Swimming to Piano Tutor to volunteering service to CTY John Hopkins then to all the after school sports and or orchestra and band practice. The answer is no because both parents need the income to pay for mortgage, MR and HOA. You are already at a disadvantage when coming to giving your kids the proper tool to succeed in the top Irvine schools.

The straight As kids are trained like Chinese Gymnasts from toddlers just to kick your kids ass in all curriculums. These kids start at zero period at 7 am in the morning then continue to 2:30pm. The parents will cut you off in the parking lot because they must pick up their kids to get to Oxford tutoring by 3pm then back to school by 4:30 for athletic team or orchestra practice. They will then be rushed home for dinner with meal already prepared by grand parents. Piano lessons begin at 7 and must be home by 8:30 for homeworks and studying. These kids stay up pass midnight and the next day cycle begin at 7am at school.

Summer meant no vacation. More tutoring and SAT for the next academic year or some volunteer services in a  3rd world country. if the kid has student government then more time away from home to take care of school businesses.

These super kids will shame just about any average kids and this type of pressure is no joke.

If you feel like a loser compared to Indies wealth and demeanor. A $100k or even $200k means nothing to him. Do you have any idea to the magnitude of his remodel while you are just shopping for your modest little cookie jar? This is just mild compared for what your children having to go through feeling like a loser compared to the well nurtured academic scholars in their school.

And it's post like this that make me proud to call IHS my brother.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 06, 2012, 11:16:01 AM

And it's post like this that make me proud to call IHS my brother.

I think that’s great.
Since you lived in Irvine and recently moved.
How did you and your family handle it?
Hopefully, you’ll weigh in and share your perspective as well.

Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on March 06, 2012, 11:29:44 AM
Ugh! The pressure of parenting in Irvine, or for that matter any 10 API school district. It's never enough. No matter what you do for the kid, there is always a Korean kid doing all that and much more. Music, Martial Arts, Chess, Kumon and Debate. I know a lot of kids who do all that and still manage straight As. Oh, these kids also go to church and take some classes over there. Wait, that's not all, they even managed to watch Glee and iCarly! IHS, you are right. The cool parents who are content with straight As and some music and martial arts/ sports should be prepared to buy that UCI license plate.

When we lived in Fremont, there was a shopping complex near our house, and I would see women with kids in their strollers walking into a 'store'. I didn't know what that place was, but I figured out that it was some 'mommy and me' class. Then, when I was in between jobs, I decided to take my 'stroller' and join the ladies in whatever they were doing. Turns out they were taking the kids to a Kumon class..It starts that early! I would rather teach them to walk and run in the park at that age, but then I will probably be OK with UCI license plate too :-)

Doesn't this stress translate into behavior problems, or addictions?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: rkp on March 06, 2012, 11:35:05 AM
the one thing that was striking to us is that most of Woodbury elementary is asian but when we drove around the parks, whether weekend or weekdays, we mainly saw white kids playing and very few asian kids.  i guess they are all really studying

i get what IHS is saying but i imagine one can go to an irvine school and be a good student with As while not having the massive pressure and ultra competitive environment.  sure top of the class will have that but the very near top doesnt necessarily have to.  i went to a gifted magnet in LAUSD full of korean kids who did the whole after school kumon, violin, and numerous things and i did just fine with almost all As and never had any after school stuff outside of sports

for actual parents with kids in irvine schools, what is the real deal?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on March 06, 2012, 11:41:51 AM
RKP- looks like my daughter is following your footsteps. She knows where the playground in the neighborhood is, and knows the kids that bicycle in the neighborhood, but she has still managed her As and is a GATE student. A little bit of music and a little bit of martial arts too, but never any academics outside school. She is doing good so far, but High School will be a real test. But almost every kid we know does four or more activities, and excels mostly in all of them.

Real deal? When two Irvine mommies meet, we don't discuss the beige of the boxes we live in. Its' mostly what our kids are doing, their grades, and the hard work we put in to bring them so far. It's hard out there for a parent whose kid got a B+.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 06, 2012, 11:42:56 AM
Competitive asian moms are some of the worst people on the planet.

I know an asian mom who was so proud her son was crawling, she let him crawl on the dirty ass ground, while he licked car tires, and who knows what else just to show me and the wife how "advanced" he was.

Crying out loud.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on March 06, 2012, 11:44:18 AM
Doesn't this stress translate into behavior problems, or addictions?

You've never heard of "Northweed" High School?  I heard very reliable accounts of Northwood students dealing INSIDE the gates in Northwood Pointe.  Now, that's not a dig on Irvine --- that stuff happens everywhere.  But if any parent thinks that just living in Irvine is going to make your child immune, think again.  Irvine is not a bubble. 

I can always remember back in high school, the wildest kids were always those of the pastors and other hardcore church types.  Their daugthers were the ones all the guys wanted to date.  Kids who are too oppressed will act out.  Period.

There goes my dream of moving to the other side of Culver :-)
Frankly, I didn't know about "Northweed". Thanks for the info..

Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: qwerty on March 06, 2012, 11:48:49 AM
So what do all of these incredibly smart asians become once they graduate from college?  i rarely see asians in management positions. do they just become behind the scenes engineers? doctors? lawyers?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: The California Court Company on March 06, 2012, 12:09:07 PM
Does Irvine schools allow grade skipping? Based on my genes, my child should be able to attend college at age 15.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: davenlei on March 06, 2012, 12:52:17 PM
So what do all of these incredibly smart asians become once they graduate from college?  i rarely see asians in management positions. do they just become behind the scenes engineers? doctors? lawyers?

Pretty much since social skills were never developed in the childhood years.  If you notice most of the people in upper management have strong social skills and a circle of 'friends' they cultivated through the years. 
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: MovingOnUp on March 06, 2012, 12:57:03 PM
So what do all of these incredibly smart asians become once they graduate from college?  i rarely see asians in management positions. do they just become behind the scenes engineers? doctors? lawyers?

There's about 15 asian guys (mostly korean) in my circle and we all grew up together. Here's what they're doing now in our early 30's.

1 - Doctor
4 - Lawyer
3 - Private equity, research analyst
1 - Investment banking
3 - entrepeneurs/small business owners (import export, gas station)
2 - Still working at the big 4
2 - including myself in regular companies as middle management (director level)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: qwerty on March 06, 2012, 01:02:41 PM
So what do all of these incredibly smart asians become once they graduate from college?  i rarely see asians in management positions. do they just become behind the scenes engineers? doctors? lawyers?

Pretty much since social skills were never developed in the childhood years.  If you notice most of the people in upper management have strong social skills and a circle of 'friends' they cultivated through the years. 

yeah, any one is is great at something (school, etc) becomes great by giving up something, in these kids, it does appear to be social skills.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: qwerty on March 06, 2012, 01:08:21 PM
2 - Still working at the big 4

so these guys must be senior managers?  i think there was on asian partner in the whole LA office when i was there.  it was actually interesting because a good chunk of the staff level was asian, and the higher up the ladder you went the less asians there were. the majority of the partners were white men.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 06, 2012, 01:09:29 PM
We hide behind a blog personna and practice our social skill. We vent our frustration by killing trolls on Warcrafts.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 06, 2012, 01:10:38 PM
Just look here many Asians are herd followers.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on March 06, 2012, 01:12:25 PM
We hide behind a blog personna and practice our social skill. We vent our frustration by killing trolls on Warcrafts.

You forgot to add our imaginary/virtual friends that complete our social circle.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 06, 2012, 01:16:18 PM
We hide behind a blog personna and practice our social skill. We vent our frustration by killing trolls on Warcrafts.

You forgot to add our imaginary/virtual friends that complete our social circle.

This thread is a virtual town hall equivalent.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: MovingOnUp on March 06, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
2 - Still working at the big 4

so these guys must be senior managers?  i think there was on asian partner in the whole LA office when i was there.  it was actually interesting because a good chunk of the staff level was asian, and the higher up the ladder you went the less asians there were. the majority of the partners were white men.

One is a senior manager here in socal, the other is a manager who just recently transferred to asia.

Many reasons. First, there is a glass ceiling. Second, it's not that asians are social misfits because we only study, the corporate culture goes against the way we're raised. Asians are taught to respect elders and do as an elder says, even if we know it's not the best way. We never call elders by their first name and are not on the same level. No matter how americanized we are, that is engrained in us.

Now we enter corporate america and we're expected to shoot the $hit w/ older white people. It's just not natural. As a result, we're not easily able to sit and joke w/ older male partners, have a beer, talk sports, girls, etc., resulting in us getting overlooked and not be one of the good ol' boys.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Homer_Simpson on March 06, 2012, 02:25:16 PM
So what do all of these incredibly smart asians become once they graduate from college?  i rarely see asians in management positions. do they just become behind the scenes engineers? doctors? lawyers?

Pretty much nailed it on the head, Doctors, Lawyers and Engineers.  Probably a hell of a lot more spreadsheet monkeys too since a majority of my analyst here are Asian. 

For larger companies I have not seen too many Asians in Director levels and above but for smaller companies I've seen a handful of Asian Directors and CFOs. 

Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: abcd1234 on March 06, 2012, 02:33:58 PM
So, if you recognize this, how do you break the habit?

I work with 2 Asian guys (in Finance).  One is maybe 27 (born here) and went to Berkeley.  Yes he is smart but he is so incredibly socially awkward that it is painful for me to watch him interact with people.  He is getting excluded from meetings because he acts so subservient.  I am at least 15 years older than him and I have tried to talk with him, mentor him, to help him gain confidence and act with authority, but it seems like he prefers to be out of the limelight, which unfortunately will hold him back professionally.    He literally is bowing his head to people, and when a white good ol' boy prospect comes in, I cringe because he looks so silly doing this.  There is another guy (born in Korea) that isn't as bad, but still, will probably be looked over for someone who can at least hold a conversation.  I see them more as behind-the-scenes number crunchers/workhorses but not dealmakers.  The only meetings they go to are when the salespeople from Bloomberg, BlackRock come in to the office and noone else wants to deal with them.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Homer_Simpson on March 06, 2012, 02:42:29 PM
So, if you recognize this, how do you break the habit?

Quickly move out of Irvine so your kids will have some diversity!!
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 06, 2012, 02:54:08 PM
This is the exact reason why Asians are being taken advantaged of like expensive cheap housing.

So, if you recognize this, how do you break the habit?

I work with 2 Asian guys (in Finance).  One is maybe 27 (born here) and went to Berkeley.  Yes he is smart but he is so incredibly socially awkward that it is painful for me to watch him interact with people.  He is getting excluded from meetings because he acts so subservient.  I am at least 15 years older than him and I have tried to talk with him, mentor him, to help him gain confidence and act with authority, but it seems like he prefers to be out of the limelight, which unfortunately will hold him back professionally.    He literally is bowing his head to people, and when a white good ol' boy prospect comes in, I cringe because he looks so silly doing this.  There is another guy (born in Korea) that isn't as bad, but still, will probably be looked over for someone who can at least hold a conversation.  I see them more as behind-the-scenes number crunchers/workhorses but not dealmakers.  The only meetings they go to are when the salespeople from Bloomberg, BlackRock come in to the office and noone else wants to deal with them.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 06, 2012, 03:03:31 PM
China rising to super power is the reason why companies must have Asians at the top tier and especially mandarin literate individuals.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: qwerty on March 06, 2012, 03:18:16 PM

There is a very big commitment to diversifying the partner ranks.  Not just that it is the right thing to do because it reflects our workforce, but there are tremendous opportunities with international clients and a diverse partnership opens more doors.

Ill believe it when i see it. the big four have been committed to diversifying at the partner level since i started in 99. although 8 out of 53 aint bad.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: qwerty on March 06, 2012, 03:31:22 PM
2 - Still working at the big 4

so these guys must be senior managers?  i think there was on asian partner in the whole LA office when i was there.  it was actually interesting because a good chunk of the staff level was asian, and the higher up the ladder you went the less asians there were. the majority of the partners were white men.

One is a senior manager here in socal, the other is a manager who just recently transferred to asia.

Many reasons. First, there is a glass ceiling. Second, it's not that asians are social misfits because we only study, the corporate culture goes against the way we're raised. Asians are taught to respect elders and do as an elder says, even if we know it's not the best way. We never call elders by their first name and are not on the same level. No matter how americanized we are, that is engrained in us.

Now we enter corporate america and we're expected to shoot the $hit w/ older white people. It's just not natural. As a result, we're not easily able to sit and joke w/ older male partners, have a beer, talk sports, girls, etc., resulting in us getting overlooked and not be one of the good ol' boys.

until asians fix this they will always remain behind the scenes.  im mexican and it wasnt normal for me to be hanging out with older white guys or shoot the shit with them but i knew long before i started my professional career that getting these old white guys to like me was going to be my meal ticket.  My intelligence was only going to take me so far.  My mentor when i first started at the big 4 told me that i was going to outshine my peers, not because i was smarter than them, but because i had more street smarts and common sense than the rest of them.  For the most part, he has been right. I make the most out of my friends that i graduated with, and i make more than most of my starting class except for a couple of them.  a good leader has good emotional intelligence, you hire guys that are smarter than you to do the heavy lifting.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: MovingOnUp on March 06, 2012, 03:33:34 PM
So, if you recognize this, how do you break the habit?

I work with 2 Asian guys (in Finance).  One is maybe 27 (born here) and went to Berkeley.  Yes he is smart but he is so incredibly socially awkward that it is painful for me to watch him interact with people.  He is getting excluded from meetings because he acts so subservient.  I am at least 15 years older than him and I have tried to talk with him, mentor him, to help him gain confidence and act with authority, but it seems like he prefers to be out of the limelight, which unfortunately will hold him back professionally.    He literally is bowing his head to people, and when a white good ol' boy prospect comes in, I cringe because he looks so silly doing this.  There is another guy (born in Korea) that isn't as bad, but still, will probably be looked over for someone who can at least hold a conversation.  I see them more as behind-the-scenes number crunchers/workhorses but not dealmakers.   The only meetings they go to are when the salespeople from Bloomberg, BlackRock come in to the office and noone else wants to deal with them.

Watch how they interact with their peers and the staff below them. This should be a good indication on how they might behave when they age and move up the corporate ladder.

Enjoy/appreciate your little asian workhorse. The guy will bend backwards to make you (his boss) look good and publicly give you all the credit. In return, he's hoping that you'll make him boss one day where he'll prove that he has a backbone. Minus the politics, he may even do a better job than you.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: qwerty on March 06, 2012, 03:35:50 PM
So, if you recognize this, how do you break the habit?

I work with 2 Asian guys (in Finance).  One is maybe 27 (born here) and went to Berkeley.  Yes he is smart but he is so incredibly socially awkward that it is painful for me to watch him interact with people.  He is getting excluded from meetings because he acts so subservient.  I am at least 15 years older than him and I have tried to talk with him, mentor him, to help him gain confidence and act with authority, but it seems like he prefers to be out of the limelight, which unfortunately will hold him back professionally.    He literally is bowing his head to people, and when a white good ol' boy prospect comes in, I cringe because he looks so silly doing this.  There is another guy (born in Korea) that isn't as bad, but still, will probably be looked over for someone who can at least hold a conversation.  I see them more as behind-the-scenes number crunchers/workhorses but not dealmakers.  The only meetings they go to are when the salespeople from Bloomberg, BlackRock come in to the office and noone else wants to deal with them.



executive presence is critical, they should teach that to the asians in high school irvine school district, or at UCI.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: MovingOnUp on March 06, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
2 - Still working at the big 4

so these guys must be senior managers?  i think there was on asian partner in the whole LA office when i was there.  it was actually interesting because a good chunk of the staff level was asian, and the higher up the ladder you went the less asians there were. the majority of the partners were white men.

One is a senior manager here in socal, the other is a manager who just recently transferred to asia.

Many reasons. First, there is a glass ceiling. Second, it's not that asians are social misfits because we only study, the corporate culture goes against the way we're raised. Asians are taught to respect elders and do as an elder says, even if we know it's not the best way. We never call elders by their first name and are not on the same level. No matter how americanized we are, that is engrained in us.

Now we enter corporate america and we're expected to shoot the $hit w/ older white people. It's just not natural. As a result, we're not easily able to sit and joke w/ older male partners, have a beer, talk sports, girls, etc., resulting in us getting overlooked and not be one of the good ol' boys.

until asians fix this they will always remain behind the scenes.  im mexican and it wasnt normal for me to be hanging out with older white guys or shoot the shit with them but i knew long before i started my professional career that getting these old white guys to like me was going to be my meal ticket.  My intelligence was only going to take me so far.  My mentor when i first started at the big 4 told me that i was going to outshine my peers, not because i was smarter than them, but because i had more street smarts and common sense than the rest of them.  For the most part, he has been right. I make the most out of my friends that i graduated with, and i make more than most of my starting class except for a couple of them.  a good leader has good emotional intelligence, you hire guys that are smarter than you to do the heavy lifting.

For asians, it has nothing to do with race. Asians would have a hard time with older asians as well, if not worse.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: roundcorners on March 06, 2012, 03:49:14 PM
http://gmj.gallup.com/content/649/connectedness.aspx
Connectedness is at the heart of my being and relationships are the core components of my existence.  It is the lifeline to my maker, my wife, kid, family and friends.  My clients hold my retirement account; it’s not my bank account, IRA; talents or skills; it is people who I entrust my life savings to.  I take care of them, they take care of me.  As long as I have these relationships; I will never go without a meal, a roof over my head or cloths on my back.  I could have all the money in the world, yet without them; I would be a pauper.  Conversely, I would gladly trade any material possession for relational equity.  Most Asians don’t realize this, but relational equity is like an IRA account; you can’t start saving for it past a certain age; it will simply be too late.  You time will pass; and you will not be able to compound those experiences in the time you have left.  The people around you, as you get older will not trust you; there is simply not enough time to have built that trust; and more and more people around you will be strangers, until you end up in a retirement home, alone, talking to yourself in front of the TV.

Now… do you see the importance of, what you define as, Home?  How do you define your community and what interactions you cultivate inside your home?  It’s not just academics, it’s not even close.  Home is where the relationships are; it can be anywhere; yes, even Irvine.  So you have to ask yourself; is my city, neighborhood, block or street conducive to connectedness or is it deterrence for relationships.  Am I too busy for the person next door; or am I willing to let people in; and vice versa.  Do the people closest to me, geographically; have elements where we can have the best possible chance of genuine relationships or will the social norms continue to be consume in awkwardness?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 06, 2012, 04:06:05 PM
That is a fine young man!
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: abcd1234 on March 06, 2012, 04:35:17 PM
Moving up

Don't sound so bitter- I am actually on your side:)

You mentioned-

"Watch how they interact with their peers and the staff below them. This should be a good indication on how they might behave when they age and move up the corporate ladder. "

Unfortunately, I don't see them lasting at the company if they want to make something of themselves- (btw I am not their boss nor do I work at the same company- I am just trying to help him wise up).  They need to realize themselves that to advance they need to act differently.  They have to reinvent themselves at another firm.

When the staff receptionist with a mediocre education (whose job it is) to unload the dishwasher gets an attitude and this kid with the CFA is unloading the office's dishes, that should be enough to make anyone shake this kid's shoulders and say "what the heck are you doing?"
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: MovingOnUp on March 06, 2012, 04:57:35 PM
Moving up

Don't sound so bitter- I am actually on your side:)

You mentioned-

"Watch how they interact with their peers and the staff below them. This should be a good indication on how they might behave when they age and move up the corporate ladder. "

Unfortunately, I don't see them lasting at the company if they want to make something of themselves- (btw I am not their boss nor do I work at the same company- I am just trying to help him wise up).  They need to realize themselves that to advance they need to act differently.  They have to reinvent themselves at another firm.

When the staff receptionist with a mediocre education (whose job it is) to unload the dishwasher gets an attitude and this kid with the CFA is unloading the office's dishes, that should be enough to make anyone shake this kid's shoulders and say "what the heck are you doing?"

Not bitter at all. I've achieved decent success in my career and have moved up pretty quickly.
Honestly this guy just sounds weak in all aspects of his life. Find a new pet project, dude sounds hopeless.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: traceimage on March 06, 2012, 05:00:13 PM
http://gmj.gallup.com/content/649/connectedness.aspx
Connectedness is at the heart of my being and relationships are the core components of my existence.  It is the lifeline to my maker, my wife, kid, family and friends.  My clients hold my retirement account; it’s not my bank account, IRA; talents or skills; it is people who I entrust my life savings to.  I take care of them, they take care of me.  As long as I have these relationships; I will never go without a meal, a roof over my head or cloths on my back.  I could have all the money in the world, yet without them; I would be a pauper.  Conversely, I would gladly trade any material possession for relational equity.  Most Asians don’t realize this, but relational equity is like an IRA account; you can’t start saving for it past a certain age; it will simply be too late.  You time will pass; and you will not be able to compound those experiences in the time you have left.  The people around you, as you get older will not trust you; there is simply not enough time to have built that trust; and more and more people around you will be strangers, until you end up in a retirement home, alone, talking to yourself in front of the TV.

Now… do you see the importance of, what you define as, Home?  How do you define your community and what interactions you cultivate inside your home?  It’s not just academics, it’s not even close.  Home is where the relationships are; it can be anywhere; yes, even Irvine.  So you have to ask yourself; is my city, neighborhood, block or street conducive to connectedness or is it deterrence for relationships.  Am I too busy for the person next door; or am I willing to let people in; and vice versa.  Do the people closest to me, geographically; have elements where we can have the best possible chance of genuine relationships or will the social norms continue to be consume in awkwardness?

Hurray for semicolons! They are my favorite punctuation mark.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Homer_Simpson on March 06, 2012, 06:46:15 PM
Traceimage- You always put a smile on my face with your post :)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: traceimage on March 06, 2012, 08:12:28 PM
Traceimage- You always put a smile on my face with your post :)

Awwww, thanks. :)

As a thank you, you can send me a dozen doughnuts...I prefer the cake variety.  :D
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: whatever on March 06, 2012, 09:02:59 PM
So what do all of these incredibly smart asians become once they graduate from college?  i rarely see asians in management positions. do they just become behind the scenes engineers? doctors? lawyers?

What an astute observation!  I graduated from an Irvine high school many moons ago.  Even back then it was still one of the top ranked public high schools in California despite my AP classes only being 50% Asian.  You would think by now my classmates would be political leaders, CEOs or have achieved some high profile recognition, but that's not the case (not counting the handful that have made the papers after their arrests).  By any other standard they are successful; they have a decent career, a family and were able to find happiness. 

Interestingly I would say a majority of my high school friends I keep in contact with have moved out of California for good.  They don't feel like this is the place to raise their family.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 06, 2012, 09:39:03 PM
Their Irvine childhood must had been extremely traumatic to drive them all out of states. My kid is a president for one of the clubs in High School and did a survey of how other kids rate their city. From the kids point of view Irvine received a average of 2 out of 10. kids point of view is very different from adults raving review.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: rkp on March 06, 2012, 09:41:10 PM
IHS - what area do you live in?  i dont know why you keep it ambiguous, afterall its just an area and nothing to identify you..
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: MovingOnUp on March 06, 2012, 09:42:53 PM
So what do all of these incredibly smart asians become once they graduate from college?  i rarely see asians in management positions. do they just become behind the scenes engineers? doctors? lawyers?

What an astute observation!  I graduated from an Irvine high school many moons ago.  Even back then it was still one of the top ranked public high schools in California despite my AP classes only being 50% Asian.  You would think by now my classmates would be political leaders, CEOs or have achieved some high profile recognition, but that's not the case (not counting the handful that have made the papers after their arrests).  By any other standard they are successful; they have a decent career, a family and were able to find happiness. 

Interestingly I would say a majority of my high school friends I keep in contact with have moved out of California for good.  They don't feel like this is the place to raise their family.

How many of those asians in your AP class do you think are working minimum wage? Any of them working at a fast food joint?

I'd bet the majority have incomes exceeding Irvine's current median income. I wouldn't make that bet on any other group. 

btw, asians unfortunately aren't raised to go into politics. this is one of our downfalls...we're raised to chase money.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: whatever on March 06, 2012, 10:03:57 PM
Their Irvine childhood must had been extremely traumatic to drive them all out of states.
Not traumatic at all.  Just not economical to stay in the location where they wanted to live.  I'm talking about people with graduate degrees.  I know a lot of people who couldn't justify staying in Southern California even with their low six figure income.  Student loans add up.  If you didn't get a scholarship or have relatives who could help you out, that debt becomes overwhelming.  Add that to the the cost of buying a house in a decent location, it's not difficult to see why many people chose to move to Texas or Colorado.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: whatever on March 06, 2012, 10:10:04 PM

How many of those asians in your AP class do you think are working minimum wage? Any of them working at a fast food joint?

I'd bet the majority have incomes exceeding Irvine's current median income. I wouldn't make that bet on any other group. 

btw, asians unfortunately aren't raised to go into politics. this is one of our downfalls...we're raised to chase money.

I'm not saying that they don't have good jobs.  I'm saying you don't find too many at the top of their profession.  There are no people like Sergei Bren, Marc Zukerberg, Spencer Rascoff, Andrew Mason, etc. from my high school.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 06, 2012, 10:43:28 PM
Where I live is not important. What is important is that I am familiar with many neighborhoods in the city. Will a 4 car garage be enough of a hint? My kid is currently #3 of the class at an Irvine High School. From my front door to the Spectrum phallic statue takes exactly 12-1/2 minutes.

IHS - what area do you live in?  i dont know why you keep it ambiguous, afterall its just an area and nothing to identify you..
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 06, 2012, 11:17:21 PM
What a minute! Paying premium to live in Irvine is all for the schools.  And now you are telling me all your Irvine graduate friends are no body and don't Even make enough to support a quality of life in California? I was under the impression that kids will go to Ivy League and make a lot of money then come back home to help me pay off my mortgage and fund my retirement. Then please tell me what was your advantage growing up in Irvine and attended the local school? Are you rich?

Their Irvine childhood must had been extremely traumatic to drive them all out of states.
Not traumatic at all.  Just not economical to stay in the location where they wanted to live.  I'm talking about people with graduate degrees.  I know a lot of people who couldn't justify staying in Southern California even with their low six figure income.  Student loans add up.  If you didn't get a scholarship or have relatives who could help you out, that debt becomes overwhelming.  Add that to the the cost of buying a house in a decent location, it's not difficult to see why many people chose to move to Texas or Colorado.

Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 07, 2012, 07:39:31 AM
Exactly. What's the point of paying $900,000+ to live in Laguna Altura, send your kids to Uni High, and they end up attending UCI or CSU Fullerton because they aren't in the top 5% of the class?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: rkp on March 07, 2012, 07:58:04 AM
Exactly. What's the point of paying $900,000+ to live in Laguna Altura, send your kids to Uni High, and they end up attending UCI or CSU Fullerton because they aren't in the top 5% of the class?

i think the problem here is that the alternatives arent much cheaper.  if you want something new or built in last 5 years in neighboring OC cities, you are paying less but not dramatically less.  we saw homes in ladera ranch and loved them but with the higher MR and constant need for tolls (inlaws take care of baby), the difference felt like 5-10% in price. 

sure schools is an easy reason to say you want irvine but data shows many areas with similar school ratings.  i think many move for location as well and you might think an extra 20 minutes is trivial but for my LA family and friends, it changes the drive from under an hour to over an hour.  that plays a big difference psychologically.  my parents definitely dont think twice about driving 45-55 minutes but over an hour and they try to group their visits with other stuff in OC. 
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: rkp on March 07, 2012, 08:00:12 AM
to clarify, i mean irvine in general.  i really dont know Laguna Altura and am comparing WB to Ladera....
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 07, 2012, 08:13:19 AM
Exactly. What's the point of paying $900,000+ to live in Laguna Altura, send your kids to Uni High, and they end up attending UCI or CSU Fullerton because they aren't in the top 5% of the class?

i think the problem here is that the alternatives arent much cheaper.  if you want something new or built in last 5 years in neighboring OC cities, you are paying less but not dramatically less.  we saw homes in ladera ranch and loved them but with the higher MR and constant need for tolls (inlaws take care of baby), the difference felt like 5-10% in price. 

sure schools is an easy reason to say you want irvine but data shows many areas with similar school ratings.  i think many move for location as well and you might think an extra 20 minutes is trivial but for my LA family and friends, it changes the drive from under an hour to over an hour.  that plays a big difference psychologically.  my parents definitely dont think twice about driving 45-55 minutes but over an hour and they try to group their visits with other stuff in OC.

I think with Pat Star's legendary theory on "good schools" in Irvine we can safely establish that there are other alternatives with similarly rated schools all over OC (unless you're an Irvine housewife like kalbi who carries Uni Highs graduation statistics in her pocket all day).

I think the the commute question is fairly trivial as well. Consider this scenario, two cars driving from Santa Monica, one travelling to Irvine in Portola Springs or even Woodbury, and one travelling to the Laguna Audubon neighborhood of Aliso Viejo, who is going to get home first? To be honest, I think the Aliso Viejo car will edge out the PS car by a comfortable margin, and would be in a dead even heat with a car going to WB.

I think if your comparable city is Ladera Ranch, then you have a valid commute concern, but then I'd ask why not move further north to a nicer neighborhood with good schools (some better than Irvine) but have cheaper per sqft pricing than WB; Cerritos, Rossmoor, some areas of Fountain Valley.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: kalbi on March 07, 2012, 08:30:20 AM
Exactly. What's the point of paying $900,000+ to live in Laguna Altura, send your kids to Uni High, and they end up attending UCI or CSU Fullerton because they aren't in the top 5% of the class?

i think the problem here is that the alternatives arent much cheaper.  if you want something new or built in last 5 years in neighboring OC cities, you are paying less but not dramatically less.  we saw homes in ladera ranch and loved them but with the higher MR and constant need for tolls (inlaws take care of baby), the difference felt like 5-10% in price. 

sure schools is an easy reason to say you want irvine but data shows many areas with similar school ratings.  i think many move for location as well and you might think an extra 20 minutes is trivial but for my LA family and friends, it changes the drive from under an hour to over an hour.  that plays a big difference psychologically.  my parents definitely dont think twice about driving 45-55 minutes but over an hour and they try to group their visits with other stuff in OC.

I think with Pat Star's legendary theory on "good schools" in Irvine we can safely establish that there are other alternatives with similarly rated schools all over OC (unless you're an Irvine housewife like kalbi who carries Uni Highs graduation statistics in her pocket all day).


There you go with your assumptions yet again. I am not a housewife.  As for Uni High graduation statistics, it's called Google.  Time and time again, you make conclusory statements with nothing to back them up with.  I merely googled some stats to show the inaccuracies of your statements.

Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Homer_Simpson on March 07, 2012, 08:38:49 AM
What a minute! Paying premium to live in Irvine is all for the schools.  And now you are telling me all your Irvine graduate friends are no body and don't Even make enough to support a quality of life in California? I was under the impression that kids will go to Ivy League and make a lot of money then come back home to help me pay off my mortgage and fund my retirement. Then please tell me what was your advantage growing up in Irvine and attended the local school? Are you rich?


I bought in Irvine so my friends and family would think I'm successful but in reality I'm not... I also bought here because I wanted to be closer to 85 degrees  :-\
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 07, 2012, 09:04:24 AM
Exactly. What's the point of paying $900,000+ to live in Laguna Altura, send your kids to Uni High, and they end up attending UCI or CSU Fullerton because they aren't in the top 5% of the class?

i think the problem here is that the alternatives arent much cheaper.  if you want something new or built in last 5 years in neighboring OC cities, you are paying less but not dramatically less.  we saw homes in ladera ranch and loved them but with the higher MR and constant need for tolls (inlaws take care of baby), the difference felt like 5-10% in price. 

sure schools is an easy reason to say you want irvine but data shows many areas with similar school ratings.  i think many move for location as well and you might think an extra 20 minutes is trivial but for my LA family and friends, it changes the drive from under an hour to over an hour.  that plays a big difference psychologically.  my parents definitely dont think twice about driving 45-55 minutes but over an hour and they try to group their visits with other stuff in OC.

I think with Pat Star's legendary theory on "good schools" in Irvine we can safely establish that there are other alternatives with similarly rated schools all over OC (unless you're an Irvine housewife like kalbi who carries Uni Highs graduation statistics in her pocket all day).


There you go with your assumptions yet again. I am not a housewife.  As for Uni High graduation statistics, it's called Google.  Time and time again, you make conclusory statements with nothing to back them up with.  I merely googled some stats to show the inaccuracies of your statements.

Then how are you able to follow me around all day? Does your overbearing Korean husband know about this?

I know you relied on Google for most of your information, most laymen do. But you didn't find the exact year I was referring to when I mentioned Uni High, you only brought up another graduation year, and then made a correlation. That's not exactly "proving" anything.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: kalbi on March 07, 2012, 09:15:10 AM
Exactly. What's the point of paying $900,000+ to live in Laguna Altura, send your kids to Uni High, and they end up attending UCI or CSU Fullerton because they aren't in the top 5% of the class?

i think the problem here is that the alternatives arent much cheaper.  if you want something new or built in last 5 years in neighboring OC cities, you are paying less but not dramatically less.  we saw homes in ladera ranch and loved them but with the higher MR and constant need for tolls (inlaws take care of baby), the difference felt like 5-10% in price. 

sure schools is an easy reason to say you want irvine but data shows many areas with similar school ratings.  i think many move for location as well and you might think an extra 20 minutes is trivial but for my LA family and friends, it changes the drive from under an hour to over an hour.  that plays a big difference psychologically.  my parents definitely dont think twice about driving 45-55 minutes but over an hour and they try to group their visits with other stuff in OC.

I think with Pat Star's legendary theory on "good schools" in Irvine we can safely establish that there are other alternatives with similarly rated schools all over OC (unless you're an Irvine housewife like kalbi who carries Uni Highs graduation statistics in her pocket all day).


There you go with your assumptions yet again. I am not a housewife.  As for Uni High graduation statistics, it's called Google.  Time and time again, you make conclusory statements with nothing to back them up with.  I merely googled some stats to show the inaccuracies of your statements.

Then how are you able to follow me around all day? Does your overbearing Korean husband know about this?

I know you relied on Google for most of your information, most laymen do. But you didn't find the exact year I was referring to when I mentioned Uni High, you only brought up another graduation year, and then made a correlation. That's not exactly "proving" anything.

according to your logic, you must be a house husband then? how are you on here all day then. right. you are one smart rich guy.
and overbearing? you are more overbearing than any korean man i know. stop with your personal attacks.  you know nothing about my husband. 

as for the post about uni statistics, look back at it. i pulled the year that you referenced but you AGAIN conveniently changed your statement. 

i have to give you this though, you are surely an entertaining douche lord.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 07, 2012, 09:21:31 AM


i have to give you this though, you are surely an entertaining douche lord.

Which is why you follow me! See? We're getting somewhere with this.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 07, 2012, 09:56:10 AM
Where I live is not important. What is important is that I am familiar with many neighborhoods in the city. Will a 4 car garage be enough of a hint? My kid is currently #3 of the class at an Irvine High School. From my front door to the Spectrum phallic statue takes exactly 12-1/2 minutes.

IHS - what area do you live in?  i dont know why you keep it ambiguous, afterall its just an area and nothing to identify you..

Irvine High School
12 ½ minutes to get to the Spectrum
Sounds like Woodbury to me.
Are you sure that “4 car” garage isn’t a 3 car tandem? ;)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 07, 2012, 09:58:31 AM
That 12.5 minute time is in the middle of the night when there is no other cars on the road.

#3 at an Irvine school huh? What happened to that plan for a non-Irvine charter school? Maybe all that Kumon, extra studying, piano lessons etc. comes from personal experience. :D
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 07, 2012, 10:01:07 AM
That 12.5 minute time is in the middle of the night when there is no other cars on the road.

#3 at an Irvine school huh? What happened to that plan for a non-Irvine charter school? Maybe all that Kumon, extra studying, piano lessons etc. comes from personal experience. :D

Tiger Dad?

I like the Last Unicorn pic, nice touch
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 07, 2012, 10:08:29 AM
That 12.5 minute time is in the middle of the night when there is no other cars on the road.

#3 at an Irvine school huh? What happened to that plan for a non-Irvine charter school? Maybe all that Kumon, extra studying, piano lessons etc. comes from personal experience. :D

What if the kid decides to go to UCI?
Do you disown them for not meeting those lofty, self-imposed standards?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 10:13:29 AM
Intelligence is based on gene and no need for Kumons. My kid could have been #1 with the tiger mom tool kit. Just did it again 12-1/2 minutes an hour ago.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 10:15:45 AM

No tuition allowance should discourage such a lowly goal.
That 12.5 minute time is in the middle of the night when there is no other cars on the road.

#3 at an Irvine school huh? What happened to that plan for a non-Irvine charter school? Maybe all that Kumon, extra studying, piano lessons etc. comes from personal experience. :D

What if the kid decides to go to UCI?
Do you disown them for not meeting those lofty, self-imposed standards?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 07, 2012, 10:21:34 AM
Intelligence is based on gene and no need for Kumons.  My kid could have been #1 with the tiger mom tool kit.
Genes huh? She must have a very smart mom. :)

So... all of our kids *need* Kumon and yours doesn't?
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Just did it again 12-1/2 minutes an hour ago.
Oh yeah... because rush hour is at 9am going south to Irvine. :)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: WoodburyDad on March 07, 2012, 10:33:03 AM

No tuition allowance should discourage such a lowly goal.
That 12.5 minute time is in the middle of the night when there is no other cars on the road.

#3 at an Irvine school huh? What happened to that plan for a non-Irvine charter school? Maybe all that Kumon, extra studying, piano lessons etc. comes from personal experience. :D

What if the kid decides to go to UCI?
Do you disown them for not meeting those lofty, self-imposed standards?

In reality, I think you’re a softy and don’t care what others think.
You would support and be okay with whatever decision your kid makes.
But you love throwing curve balls and pushing buttons ;)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 01:27:38 PM
Did the drive again for lunch going to Capital Grille meeting a client. 12-1/2 minutes to the phallic and 11 minutes back.
Intelligence is based on gene and no need for Kumons.  My kid could have been #1 with the tiger mom tool kit.
Genes huh? She must have a very smart mom. :)

So... all of our kids *need* Kumon and yours doesn't?
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Just did it again 12-1/2 minutes an hour ago.
Oh yeah... because rush hour is at 9am going south to Irvine. :)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: rkp on March 07, 2012, 01:36:59 PM
are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum

Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: kalbi on March 07, 2012, 01:58:00 PM
Did the drive again for lunch going to Capital Grille meeting a client. 12-1/2 minutes to the phallic and 11 minutes back.
Intelligence is based on gene and no need for Kumons.  My kid could have been #1 with the tiger mom tool kit.
Genes huh? She must have a very smart mom. :)

So... all of our kids *need* Kumon and yours doesn't?
Quote
Just did it again 12-1/2 minutes an hour ago.
Oh yeah... because rush hour is at 9am going south to Irvine. :)

Capital Grill in SCP? Or Capital Seafood at the Spectrum?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 02:12:33 PM
At the Spectrum where 20 dim sum ladies live in one new house the restaurant owner bought as an investment.

Did the drive again for lunch going to Capital Grille meeting a client. 12-1/2 minutes to the phallic and 11 minutes back.
Intelligence is based on gene and no need for Kumons.  My kid could have been #1 with the tiger mom tool kit.
Genes huh? She must have a very smart mom. :)

So... all of our kids *need* Kumon and yours doesn't?
Quote
Just did it again 12-1/2 minutes an hour ago.
Oh yeah... because rush hour is at 9am going south to Irvine. :)

Capital Grill in SCP? Or Capital Seafood at the Spectrum?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: traceimage on March 07, 2012, 02:37:53 PM

i have to give you this though, you are surely an entertaining douche lord.

Back off, kalbi. Indie and I have shared many special moments in this thread and I will not let you ruin this for me!
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 07, 2012, 02:47:34 PM
Ladies, there is enough of me to go around, especially for trace who seems like one of those crazy chicks who is down for anything (and eats donuts apparently).
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: freedomcm on March 07, 2012, 03:04:32 PM
are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum



One of these assumptions is not correct
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 03:15:14 PM
Employees, friends, family and affiliates and adversaries are immediately disqualified.


are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum



One of these assumptions is not correct

are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum



One of these assumptions is not correct

Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: rkp on March 07, 2012, 03:15:29 PM
are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum



One of these assumptions is not correct


hmm i havent been reading too carefully...which ones are off...some more clues:
single story
12 car driveway
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: rkp on March 07, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
Employees, friends, family and affiliates and adversaries are immediately disqualified.


are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum



One of these assumptions is not correct

are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum



One of these assumptions is not correct


wait, IHS is a real person???  i thought he was some sort of internet being....hmm this changes everything
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 03:18:04 PM
The thing cool about IHO, Trace and many others is not to spoil a good mystery.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 03:21:29 PM
I am just an internet derivative that SoCal invented and programmed in her software that lurk and troll her site for entertainment purposes.

Employees, friends, family and affiliates and adversaries are immediately disqualified.


are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum



One of these assumptions is not correct

are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum



One of these assumptions is not correct


wait, IHS is a real person???  i thought he was some sort of internet being....hmm this changes everything
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 07, 2012, 03:23:57 PM
How did this go from API, to pecking order of high schools, to where do Asians work, to how do Asians get top positions, to guess where IHS lives?

The Force of the IHB is strong in this thread.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: traceimage on March 07, 2012, 03:26:02 PM
Ladies, there is enough of me to go around, especially for trace who seems like one of those crazy chicks who is down for anything (and eats donuts apparently).

Is this really my internet persona? The crazy chick down for anything? That makes me happy, because I'm extremely boring in real life! Ask anyone who knows me! I'm a minivan-driving nerd!

And yes, I am down for anything involving doughnuts. What the heck...I'm down for anything involving *any* type of baked goods!

I'm going crazy with exclamation points...just for you, Homer Simpson. :)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
Sounds like a good hijacked train wreck to me before an explosion of Kpop.
How did this go from API, to pecking order of high schools, to where do Asians work, to how do Asians get top positions, to guess where IHS lives?

The Force of the IHB is strong in this thread.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on March 07, 2012, 03:28:19 PM
My thoughts exactly IHO :-)
The last unicorn? There is a REO on my street.. next news will be that there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
I suggest a delicious cupcake and macaron buffet serve on your naked body.

Ladies, there is enough of me to go around, especially for trace who seems like one of those crazy chicks who is down for anything (and eats donuts apparently).

Is this really my internet persona? The crazy chick down for anything? That makes me happy, because I'm extremely boring in real life! Ask anyone who knows me! I'm a minivan-driving nerd!

And yes, I am down for anything involving doughnuts. What the heck...I'm down for anything involving *any* type of baked goods!

I'm going crazy with exclamation points...just for you, Homer Simpson. :)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on March 07, 2012, 03:30:20 PM
Ladies, there is enough of me to go around, especially for trace who seems like one of those crazy chicks who is down for anything (and eats donuts apparently).

Is this really my internet persona? The crazy chick down for anything? That makes me happy, because I'm extremely boring in real life! Ask anyone who knows me! I'm a minivan-driving nerd!

And yes, I am down for anything involving doughnuts. What the heck...I'm down for anything involving *any* type of baked goods!

I'm going crazy with exclamation points...just for you, Homer Simpson. :)

IHO, make note- next turn probably will be donuts and fried cheese cake. Schools to baked goodies and before you know it, we will be back to PTO mommies holding bake sales, and back to API :-)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: SoCal on March 07, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
I am just an internet derivative that SoCal invented and programmed in her software that lurk and troll her Zovall's site for entertainment purposes.

Fixed it. The rest is true.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 04:29:14 PM
Yes I am derivative character hidden some where in between Paris and London. The official clock of TI posting time is controlled by my whereabouts.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Homer_Simpson on March 07, 2012, 04:39:41 PM
Ladies, there is enough of me to go around, especially for trace who seems like one of those crazy chicks who is down for anything (and eats donuts apparently).

Is this really my internet persona? The crazy chick down for anything? That makes me happy, because I'm extremely boring in real life! Ask anyone who knows me! I'm a minivan-driving nerd!

And yes, I am down for anything involving doughnuts. What the heck...I'm down for anything involving *any* type of baked goods!

I'm going crazy with exclamation points...just for you, Homer Simpson. :)

Once again, your post brings a smile to my face because you noticed LOL... Love the !!! and smiley faces!
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 07, 2012, 06:05:06 PM
are we playing guess where IHS lives?

clues so far:
4 car garage
bought in 2006
feeds to irvine schools
12.5 minutes to spectrum



One of these assumptions is not correct


hmm i havent been reading too carefully...which ones are off...some more clues:
single story
12 car driveway

Let me give you other good hints. The house has stucco. Driveway crosses sidewalk. Garage door faces the street. Front Door faces the street. That should narrow your search by 50%
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 08, 2012, 11:07:15 AM
Would dining at the Y be unsanitary too compared to cupcakes on your naked flesh. The saran wrap sounds interesting and creative!
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 08, 2012, 11:36:19 AM
We're not talking about a pretty picture here.

Interesting comment. Noted.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: qwerty on March 08, 2012, 11:39:19 AM
We're not talking about a pretty picture here.

Interesting comment. Noted.

i think traceimage just fell off indies list  :)
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: Boston2theBay on March 08, 2012, 12:12:02 PM
So what do all of these incredibly smart asians become once they graduate from college?  i rarely see asians in management positions. do they just become behind the scenes engineers? doctors? lawyers?
Really??? You must not have spent any time in FSI in Manhattan or in Silicon Valley.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 08, 2012, 12:27:01 PM
We're not talking about a pretty picture here.

Interesting comment. Noted.

i think traceimage just fell off indies list  :)

Indie is already spoken for. But I find it interesting that detail was included in the post. Helps me get to know trace a bit more.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: SoCal on March 08, 2012, 12:50:16 PM
Indie is already spoken for.

Poor thing. Which contest did she lose?

But I find it interesting that detail was included in the post. Helps me get to know trace a bit more.

Trace is being modest. I've seen photos. She's a lovely girl with a pretty smile.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: LAtoOC on March 08, 2012, 12:56:53 PM

Perhaps Indie is more like the Prince
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 08, 2012, 12:58:00 PM

Poor thing. Which contest did she lose?

One where the loser gets to live a life without financial worry, live where ever she wanted, take vacations where ever we wanted, provide her children with every necessity, and even opulence, that she so desired, with a loving, handsome, motivated husband, who is ambition, dashing, and charming.

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Trace is being modest. I've seen photos. She's a lovely girl with a pretty smile.

But of course.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: qwerty on March 08, 2012, 01:25:55 PM
Indie is already spoken for.

Poor thing. Which contest did she lose?

But I find it interesting that detail was included in the post. Helps me get to know trace a bit more.

Trace is being modest. I've seen photos. She's a lovely girl with a pretty smile.

Sounds like Trace needs to post a pick like Socal did.  Maybe we have another hot blonde (Socal) on our hands  :)

May i suggest a Women of TI Calendar?  If Indie wont bank roll it, i guess i can sacrifice and step my game up.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: SoCal on March 08, 2012, 01:55:47 PM
Sounds like Trace needs to post a pick like Socal did.  Maybe we have another hot blonde (Socal) on our hands  :)

May i suggest a Women of TI Calendar?  If Indie wont bank roll it, i guess i can sacrifice and step my game up.

Sorry to disappoint but after posting those photos, I took a walk on the wild side which may disqualify me for the calendar.  :P The short & blond is now long & red. (It was a shock but I get lots of compliments so I'm pretty happy with it.) Thanks for the kind words.

I nominate all of the good-looking male members for a Men of TI calendar. If IHO is as chubby as he says he is, he's going to need a full-page spread. That leaves ten remaining spots. Who's game?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: IndieDev on March 08, 2012, 02:11:24 PM


May i suggest a Women of TI Calendar?  If Indie wont bank roll it, i guess i can sacrifice and step my game up.

I'd only be interested in a nude, or partially nude calender. The upside isn't there with your standard PG13 material anymore, just look at the  subscription numbers of Playboy over the past 10 years.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: traceimage on March 08, 2012, 03:35:52 PM
We're not talking about a pretty picture here.

Interesting comment. Noted.

i think traceimage just fell off indies list  :)

I can only hope that he will still grant me the gift of his online attention...even if it's only out of pity for me.  :'(
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 08, 2012, 04:59:41 PM
Just to let you know "Saran wrap mummification" combined with cupcake is a form of fetish and bondage for role play. Feel free to google the terms.

Indie is already spoken for.

Poor thing. Which contest did she lose?

But I find it interesting that detail was included in the post. Helps me get to know trace a bit more.

Trace is being modest. I've seen photos. She's a lovely girl with a pretty smile.

You're too sweet, Socal. :)

But just wait until I post my naked-in-plastic-wrap-covered-in-cupcakes photo. You just might change your mind!
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 08, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
Don't you like the alphabetical order of topic from A to B?
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 08, 2012, 07:07:11 PM
I am not sure but I know he is very creative. He does like macaroons. He bought me a dozen of beautiful colorful ones. So when you Saran wrap your leftovers stop and fantasize the lesson you learned.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: traceimage on March 09, 2012, 09:51:27 AM
Speaking of which, I saw Russell's Ikea commercial last night. I feel like I've "gotten to know him," so to speak, through you and I will be his fan again.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 09, 2012, 04:14:24 PM
He works behind the scene now more on the creative and directorial side.

Speaking of which, I saw Russell's Ikea commercial last night. I feel like I've "gotten to know him," so to speak, through you and I will be his fan again.
Title: Re: [IHB] API & Equity
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on March 09, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
To IHO:

Left at 8:51 am this morning and arrived at Irvine Phallic at 9:13.
Left there at 11:50 and made it back at exactly 12:00 noon.

I agree with you to avoid the rush hour traffic like after work. The morning traffic is not bad at all if I avoid the 7:30 and 8:30 am. I am a smart driver by not following the rush hour crowd but off set it by 20 minutes.
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