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Title: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: zovall on February 13, 2012, 07:22:28 AM
Blog post by CZ here:
http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/blog/comments/culver-divides (http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/blog/comments/culver-divides)
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: rkp on February 13, 2012, 08:49:31 AM
CZ - can you edit post to change zip code reference to community name (either full or short like NW & NP).  Its very confusing esp as the zip codes are so similar.  Even you made a mistake:

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While both the zipcodes have low crime, keeping in line with the City of Irvine statistics, 92602 scored 1.54 on robbery and 92602 scores a 6.6. Both are gated communities, but 92602 is a “guard” gated community. Does that make a difference? Statistics seem to agree on that fact.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 13, 2012, 09:12:02 AM
Thanks RKP for pointing out the mistake- it's a good idea to use village names instead of zipcodes. I can't edit this post, but I will use that idea for the next posts:-)
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: rkp on February 13, 2012, 09:34:47 AM
I like these comparison posts but I dont think this is a fair comparison.  The NWP (northwood pointe) house is a duplex and not an SFR like the NP one.  That alone can be a deal breaker for many people. 

Setting that aside, while I love the NWP area, I would go with the NP house if I had to choose between these 2 properties.  Most of OC is cookie cutter so people fully expect their neighbors house to be similar to theirs but this particular NWP tract takes the cake for conformity.  Its downright scary and soul crushing driving through down those streets with every single house looking 100% identical and all bright white. 

On the garages, not sure what you mean by 2 exits for the tandem garage in NWP.  In either case, a single lane driveway with a 2 car wide garage might as well be a tandem garage. 

Finally, the $380 cheaper is using the 2011 tax paid vs what it would be on the current purchase price.  It takes a min to calculate the actual taxes based on purchase price by looking at the bill and breaking down the percentage portion and fixed portion.  I believe it will be closer in cost than $380.

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The list of Hicks Canyon’s extracurricular activities is almost thrice the size of Canyon View’s.

Did not realize this.  Do you have a side by side to compare the 2?
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: zovall on February 13, 2012, 09:40:40 AM
Thanks RKP for pointing out the mistake- it's a good idea to use village names instead of zipcodes. I can't edit this post, but I will use that idea for the next posts:-)

I've updated that one instance to say 92620.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 13, 2012, 09:46:08 AM
I like these comparison posts but I dont think this is a fair comparison.  The NWP (northwood pointe) house is a duplex and not an SFR like the NP one.  That alone can be a deal breaker for many people. 

Setting that aside, while I love the NWP area, I would go with the NP house if I had to choose between these 2 properties.  Most of OC is cookie cutter so people fully expect their neighbors house to be similar to theirs but this particular NWP tract takes the cake for conformity.  Its downright scary and soul crushing driving through down those streets with every single house looking 100% identical and all bright white. 

On the garages, not sure what you mean by 2 exits for the tandem garage in NWP.  In either case, a single lane driveway with a 2 car wide garage might as well be a tandem garage. 

Finally, the $380 cheaper is using the 2011 tax paid vs what it would be on the current purchase price.  It takes a min to calculate the actual taxes based on purchase price by looking at the bill and breaking down the percentage portion and fixed portion.  I believe it will be closer in cost than $380.

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The list of Hicks Canyon’s extracurricular activities is almost thrice the size of Canyon View’s.

Did not realize this.  Do you have a side by side to compare the 2?
Let me see if I can link you to the comparison I did on Great schools website.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 13, 2012, 10:00:56 AM
Side-by-side comparison for Hicks Canyon and Canyon View:
http://www.greatschools.org/school-comparison-tool/programsExtracurriculars.page?schools=CA3813%2CCA13867&source=%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.page%3Fsearch_type%3D0%26q%3Dirvine%26state%3DCA%26c%3Dschool%26gradeLevels%3De%26st%3Dpublic

Canyon view Sports:     P.E. classes, Yoga
Hicks Canyon Sports:     Basketball, Cheerleading, Football, Lacrosse, P.E. classes, Soccer, Volleyball

Canyon View Arts activities:     
   Academic contests
    Ceramics/sculpture
    Community service
    Drawing/painting
    Orchestra
    Science and technology
    Student council / student government
    Yearbook

Hicks Canyon activities:
    Academic contests
    Band
    Ceramics/sculpture
    Chorus
    Community service
    Computer arts
    Dance
    Drawing/painting
    Orchestra
    Photography
    Science and technology
    Student council / student government
    Theater/drama
    Video/film production
    Yearbook
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 13, 2012, 10:05:14 AM
I like these comparison posts but I dont think this is a fair comparison.  The NWP (northwood pointe) house is a duplex and not an SFR like the NP one.  That alone can be a deal breaker for many people. 

--> They have listed both as SFRs. I think NWP is called "attached" SFR, not duplex.

Setting that aside, while I love the NWP area, I would go with the NP house if I had to choose between these 2 properties.  Most of OC is cookie cutter so people fully expect their neighbors house to be similar to theirs but this particular NWP tract takes the cake for conformity.  Its downright scary and soul crushing driving through down those streets with every single house looking 100% identical and all bright white. 

--> I like that factor in the NP house also. If I am not wrong, some of the El Dorado houses have the similar courtyard entry on the side.

On the garages, not sure what you mean by 2 exits for the tandem garage in NWP.  In either case, a single lane driveway with a 2 car wide garage might as well be a tandem garage. 

--redundancy :-)

Finally, the $380 cheaper is using the 2011 tax paid vs what it would be on the current purchase price.  It takes a min to calculate the actual taxes based on purchase price by looking at the bill and breaking down the percentage portion and fixed portion.  I believe it will be closer in cost than $380.

--> That is true. I didn't consider that the tax would be revised once the purchase price registers.

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The list of Hicks Canyon’s extracurricular activities is almost thrice the size of Canyon View’s.

Did not realize this.  Do you have a side by side to compare the 2?

Just posted this below.
Thanks RKP!

CZ
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 13, 2012, 10:06:29 AM
BTW, for those interested in API breakdown by ethnicity:

API breakdown by ethnicity for Beckman High:

All Students: 866
African American: 761
Asian: 935
Filipino: 899
Hispanic: 752
White: 900

API breakdown by ethnicity for Northwood High:
All Students: 908
Asian: 945
Filipino: 853
Hispanic: 839
White: 881
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: ps9 on February 13, 2012, 10:17:26 AM
What does API stand for?  Anal Parent's Insecurities? Don't remember we had them when I was in high school.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 13, 2012, 10:18:42 AM
I thought it was the 405 that divides? :D

On the garages, not sure what you mean by 2 exits for the tandem garage in NWP.
For that particular home, the garage has two doors, a front and back, so either car get exit/enter without having to move a car first. Many tandems only have one door/entrance.
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In either case, a single lane driveway with a 2 car wide garage might as well be a tandem garage. 
Not really... I would rather have a 2-car wide over a 1-car wide tandem (especially if it only had 1 door).
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 13, 2012, 10:26:25 AM
What does API stand for?  Anal Parent's Insecurities? Don't remember we had them when I was in high school.

API number is the guardian of our property prices.
When we were kids, our parents told us "Study hard, your future depends on it."
We tell our kids "Study hard. Our equity depends on it".
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 13, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
Patrick - 92602 resident agrees :-)


Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 13, 2012, 10:47:25 AM
Our child has spent time at both IUSD and the TUSD schools servicing Irvine.  I can unequivocally state that if someone believes they are getting a better "education" simply by nature of being assigned to IUSD they have rocks in their head.  Assume all things are equal from an education standpoint.  For us, that then left the decision to which district had better facilities --- and hands down that was TUSD.  Newer and better designed schools, and they are all gated.
Considering that some random tourists were taking pictures at our open campus and that prompted a "Stranger Danger" alert... I much prefer the gates over the "I" in "USD".
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: IndieDev on February 13, 2012, 10:50:53 AM
I still think Pat Star's conclusion that people are paying for "something" and choosing to call it schools shines the most truth on this issue.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: akim997 on February 13, 2012, 11:30:56 AM
im in the 92602... but we can't sell our house for squat!!!   west irvine definitely gets a bad rap....
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: iacrenter on February 13, 2012, 04:58:56 PM
Yes they are both gated communities but they feel very different to me:

Northpark is a much more cohesive / well planned village similar to but smaller than Woodbury. It is guard gated with three main entrances to the community, multiple pocket parks, pools, tennis courts, clubhouse, and basketball court, and multiple interconnected paseos.

Northwood Pointe feels more like a collection of separate mini-villages, each with its own electric gate except (1) Arden Square--no gates at all (2) The Trailwood collection of homes South of Meadowood between Culver/Yale--this section is Guard Gated. The master community has only one main private pool and access to the public Meadwood Park--no series of pocket parks. I believe 4 of the sub-villages have their own pools as well (though it is not open to those outside those tracts) and Trailwood has their own tot lot.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 13, 2012, 06:04:39 PM
In Northpark the enclaves are like bulbs that belong to a one string light.  In Northwood the neighborhoods are like separate candles.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: SoCal on February 13, 2012, 08:30:54 PM
What does API stand for?  Anal Parent's Insecurities? Don't remember we had them when I was in high school.

Academic Performance Index
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 09:56:16 AM
Asians Protecting Investment.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: The California Court Company on February 14, 2012, 10:07:29 AM
Asian Population Index
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 14, 2012, 10:22:37 AM
Asian Population Index
Winner winner... geoduck dinner!

EDIT: Wait... I didn't see IHS'
Asians Protecting Investment.
My my... I think it's a tie!
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: IndieDev on February 14, 2012, 10:51:54 AM
This thread is begging for a Pat Star contribution on what the real meaning of "schools" is in Irvine.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 14, 2012, 11:14:03 AM
Asians Protecting Investment.

Our equities depend on Amy Chuas of IUSD and TUSD with Irvine addresses.
Do you think we will have an entrance test to check the kid's academic abilities before we let them buy in Irvine? We don't want one random under achiever to score 99.99% and wreck our 100% in Math..
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 11:41:06 AM
Is there such a mutation called Asian underachiever?
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 14, 2012, 11:44:18 AM
I guess those who score 99 percentile are called under achievers?
Kidding aside, majority of the children in any RTI or Math "achiever" group is filled with Asians. So is orchestra.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: ps9 on February 14, 2012, 12:19:29 PM
Basketball is gonna go big soon for the Asian population if Lin keeps playing like this...
Forget kumon, bball camp it is...

Parent conversation:

Parent 1:  My son got into Cornell!
Parent 2:  My son just scored 38 on Kobe, can dunk, and went to Harvard!

Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 12:23:16 PM
Stereotyping?

I guess those who score 99 percentile are called under achievers?
Kidding aside, majority of the children in any RTI or Math "achiever" group is filled with Asians. So is orchestra.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 14, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
Stereotyping?
"Knowing your market"!
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 02:32:01 PM
Stereotyping?
"Knowing your market"!

No! Knowing the market's soft spot and going in for the kill.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 14, 2012, 03:06:01 PM
Stereotyping?

I guess those who score 99 percentile are called under achievers?
Kidding aside, majority of the children in any RTI or Math "achiever" group is filled with Asians. So is orchestra.

Not really. Most of the kids in advanced placement are Asians.
Data will back me up on this one. Nothing wrong in it, right?
Random ex: Pioneer Middle School. API 939 for all student. API 979 for Asians.
I am sure if I dig up more schools, it will be the same story.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 03:16:58 PM
I knew that already. API score is the inverse ratio of penis sizes. that was just sarcasm for Rkp.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 03:22:19 PM
Hey Qwerty, did you have an extremely API score?
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 14, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
I knew that already. API score is the inverse ratio of penis sizes. that was just sarcasm for Rkp.

ARGH! You added that line after I liked your post. Cheating :-)
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: qwerty on February 14, 2012, 03:26:12 PM
I knew that already. API score is the inverse ratio of penis sizes. that was just sarcasm for Rkp.

the shoe on the left is the average mexican shoe size and the one the right is the average asian shoe size

(http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://livelearnloveleave.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/shaq-shoe-vs-my-shoe-3.jpg&sa=X&ei=ZO06T63yDMeW2gW3iJWyCg&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHfmjqzp6k9W4gcOdRqVjwwE_uIJw)
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: qwerty on February 14, 2012, 03:27:26 PM
Hey Qwerty, did you have an extremely API score?

they wouldnt even let me take the test.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 04:11:56 PM

That is a TI loophole. You can't retract your thanks and 90 seconds to amend a post.
I knew that already. API score is the inverse ratio of penis sizes. that was just sarcasm for Rkp.

ARGH! You added that line after I liked your post. Cheating :-)
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 04:19:15 PM
Would I be stereotyping if I choose to carry more size 8-9s in my Irvine shoe store or should I just just order the same quantity for every size and then let the market decides.



I knew that already. API score is the inverse ratio of penis sizes. that was just sarcasm for Rkp.

the shoe on the left is the average mexican shoe size and the one the right is the average asian shoe size

(http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://livelearnloveleave.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/shaq-shoe-vs-my-shoe-3.jpg&sa=X&ei=ZO06T63yDMeW2gW3iJWyCg&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHfmjqzp6k9W4gcOdRqVjwwE_uIJw)
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 04:22:07 PM
1/0=undefined so you must have scored very low than a no show.



Hey Qwerty, did you have an extremely API score?

they wouldnt even let me take the test.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: SoCal on February 14, 2012, 05:35:20 PM
To retract a thanks, see the tiny red asterisk next to your name in the thanks. (You must be logged in to see the red mark.) Click it. Follow the steps to remove it. I gave too many accidental thanks on IHB so I made sure this forum had a way to take 'em back.  ;)



That is a TI loophole. You can't retract your thanks and 90 seconds to amend a post.
I knew that already. API score is the inverse ratio of penis sizes. that was just sarcasm for Rkp.


ARGH! You added that line after I liked your post. Cheating :-)
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: Cubic Zirconia on February 14, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
Hehe, thanks SoCal ;-)
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: irvinehomeshopper on February 14, 2012, 06:07:12 PM
I now need to retract a bunch of thanks. The iPad has this glitch in order to scroll down the page the margin to the right is less than a finger width without accidentally hitting the Thank You button during the scroll.
Title: Re: [IHB] Culver Divides
Post by: rkp on February 14, 2012, 10:14:06 PM
To retract a thanks, see the tiny red asterisk next to your name in the thanks. (You must be logged in to see the red mark.) Click it. Follow the steps to remove it. I gave too many accidental thanks on IHB so I made sure this forum had a way to take 'em back.  ;)



That is a TI loophole. You can't retract your thanks and 90 seconds to amend a post.
I knew that already. API score is the inverse ratio of penis sizes. that was just sarcasm for Rkp.


ARGH! You added that line after I liked your post. Cheating :-)


hmmm...didnt work

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