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Title: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: leect on May 01, 2020, 07:42:20 AM
Howdy!

Looks like they have some new homes coming up by Shea in Orchard Hills. It's next to Taylor Morrison but higher on the hill.

Anyone have any info on this yet?

Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lnc on May 01, 2020, 12:05:01 PM
https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,16812.msg357134.html#msg357134

Here's the floor plans:

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Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on May 01, 2020, 02:36:44 PM
The last of the view lots at the Groves.  But I heard these prices will be close to what Trevi view lots started at.  Smaller too.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on May 01, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
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Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: variable229 on May 24, 2020, 10:52:22 PM
Howdy!

Looks like they have some new homes coming up by Shea in Orchard Hills. It's next to Taylor Morrison but higher on the hill.

Anyone have any info on this yet?

I'm trying to find out same information.  Did you hear more information on release and pricing?   The Shea sales office seem to think pricing will start under $2M and opening in July 2020.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on May 24, 2020, 11:53:46 PM
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Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Goriot on May 25, 2020, 09:48:16 AM
Howdy!

Looks like they have some new homes coming up by Shea in Orchard Hills. It's next to Taylor Morrison but higher on the hill.

Anyone have any info on this yet?

I'm trying to find out same information.  Did you hear more information on release and pricing?   The Shea sales office seem to think pricing will start under $2M and opening in July 2020.

The construction of the model homes are underway.  Late July/Early Aug release sounds like a reasonable timeline.  I will probably guess starting at mid $1.8mm to low $1.9mm.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: iacrenter on May 25, 2020, 09:52:01 AM
Introducing $2M homes in this pandemic market. Bad timing?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: eyephone on May 25, 2020, 09:53:51 AM
Introducing $2M homes in this pandemic market. Bad timing?

To some people this is nothing.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: iacrenter on May 25, 2020, 11:05:38 AM
Introducing $2M homes in this pandemic market. Bad timing?

To some people this is nothing.

I remember USC mentioning the market above $1.5M really starts to drop off even pre pandemic. Now add in Great Depression levels of unemployment, diminished FCB activity, and poor consumer confidence.  I’m guessing a high broker coop and free upgrades right off the bat.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: aquabliss on May 25, 2020, 05:33:20 PM
Most of the wealthy haven’t lost their jobs or wealth.  It’s those retail and fast food workers on the edge of poverty with no savings that are hardest hit.

Granted the wealthy will take advantage of this time to get some deals and build their wealth on the other side.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: eyephone on May 25, 2020, 06:10:40 PM
Most of the wealthy haven’t lost their jobs or wealth.  It’s those retail and fast food workers on the edge of poverty with no savings that are hardest hit.

Granted the wealthy will take advantage of this time to get some deals and build their wealth on the other side.

Not necessarily true.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: iacrenter on May 25, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
Most of the wealthy haven’t lost their jobs or wealth.  It’s those retail and fast food workers on the edge of poverty with no savings that are hardest hit.

Granted the wealthy will take advantage of this time to get some deals and build their wealth on the other side.

Not necessarily true.

Depends what kind of people buy $2M homes in Irvine. For instance, many doctors lost significant income due cancellation of elective surgery. A business owner of a car dealership, restaurant, or small hotel would also be hurting. If you were a true 1%er it wouldn’t matter, but are they the typical buyers of $2M tract homes.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on May 25, 2020, 08:53:00 PM
View lots will start at $2.3-$2.4m.  The doctors who own their own clinics can afford it.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: eyephone on May 25, 2020, 09:14:14 PM
Most of the wealthy haven%u2019t lost their jobs or wealth.  It%u2019s those retail and fast food workers on the edge of poverty with no savings that are hardest hit.

Granted the wealthy will take advantage of this time to get some deals and build their wealth on the other side.

Not necessarily true.

Depends what kind of people buy $2M homes in Irvine. For instance, many doctors lost significant income due cancellation of elective surgery. A business owner of a car dealership, restaurant, or small hotel would also be hurting. If you were a true 1%er it wouldn%u2019t matter, but are they the typical buyers of $2M tract homes.

Pay cuts, hospital layoffs, small business hurting, overall spending down (business and consumer). Read the news big companies are laying off.

It is not just retail. The next ball to drop is state and local government regarding budget shortfall.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on May 25, 2020, 10:27:00 PM
Most of the wealthy haven%u2019t lost their jobs or wealth.  It%u2019s those retail and fast food workers on the edge of poverty with no savings that are hardest hit.

Granted the wealthy will take advantage of this time to get some deals and build their wealth on the other side.

Not necessarily true.

Depends what kind of people buy $2M homes in Irvine. For instance, many doctors lost significant income due cancellation of elective surgery. A business owner of a car dealership, restaurant, or small hotel would also be hurting. If you were a true 1%er it wouldn%u2019t matter, but are they the typical buyers of $2M tract homes.

Pay cuts, hospital layoffs, small business hurting, overall spending down (business and consumer). Read the news big companies are laying off.

It is not just retail. The next ball to drop is state and local government regarding budget shortfall.

I don't know about others, but myself practicing at least from now to the end of the year with extreme cautions and defense play at all level. There is alot of FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) but in my opinion, there is much more risk of downward pressure here and short gain. Like you mention above. The key phrase I got from J-Powell with the CBS 60 minutes interview "There is no limit to our printing and digitize the dollars" meaning they can continue to buy up and give away. So ask this, will this somehow, someday, save the system when all we do is just taking handout and very little produce and little consumption. Is that sustainable? And the health issues is not going away, if anything it will jump higher / faster.

Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: zubs on May 27, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
I was not happy with Bernanke showering the economy with money back in 2010.  I thought it was bad policy, but 10 years of crazy growth shows that it worked.  We benefited from the Keynesian printing of USD.

Now we are on the precipice of a new great depression, and the solution is yet again to print money to infinite. 
Some say the great depression would have been less severe if we had printed money to save ourselves, but it was probably not possible because USD was still tied to gold.  Perhaps krugman was right and we should print and spend our way out of this mess.

The future can suck it, we need money now.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on June 07, 2020, 07:08:51 PM
I went to check out the view lots.  The highest elevation is near the street Leafy Pass.  But from the top, the view was not that great.  I think once Palermo and the iPac homes are done, you will just see rooftops.  The viewline seems a bit far out and not that great.  $2.3-2.4 for view lots for 4100-4300 sq ft seems steep to me.  It will be justifiable if the view was higher.  But who knows.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lnc on June 08, 2020, 12:20:35 PM
Here's the lot map from the city's doc.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: leect on June 10, 2020, 04:37:04 AM
I'm hoping the pricing isn't too crazy. Not that I can afford it lol.

It's in the super rich area side of Orchard hills too.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: leect on June 10, 2020, 04:40:03 AM
Here's the lot map from the city's doc.

Nice! Someone posted this for Padova and it was spot on.

I wonder how you can reserve the lot you want regardless of the phase?

Padova had some nice lots but since they went in phases we couldn't reserve it unless I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Cares on June 10, 2020, 09:33:54 AM
Here's the lot map from the city's doc.

Nice! Someone posted this for Padova and it was spot on.

I wonder how you can reserve the lot you want regardless of the phase?

Padova had some nice lots but since they went in phases we couldn't reserve it unless I'm mistaken.

I don't know specifically for this community but many communities have a priority list based on order you registered and were pre-qualified by their lender.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on July 22, 2020, 10:40:51 PM
Every builder is basically the same, register and prequalify with their preferred lender, when the lot you wanted is released they go down the list calling to see who is  ready to put down the deposit.


I was here today for an early preview. There’s going to be quite a few view lots. Standing at the back of the lots there are decent views. All 3 models were nearing completion. models will be previewed at end of august. Txt me for pics and video
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Housingbuff on July 23, 2020, 09:04:19 AM
@Dr ca real estate,
Did they mention what the anticipated starting price was? Thank you.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: WTTCHMN on July 24, 2020, 10:59:03 AM
@Dr ca real estate,
Did they mention what the anticipated starting price was? Thank you.

1.7M's
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on July 24, 2020, 11:22:26 AM
@Dr ca real estate,
Did they mention what the anticipated starting price was? Thank you.

1.7M's

That’s an under estimate you get if you call whoever answers the phone at Shea headquarters. It will actually be Closer to 1.8
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 06, 2020, 07:07:47 PM
Here's the lot map from the city's doc.

Hard to see on here, but the corner view lot backing Leafy pass is lot 80, and that is the row of view lots. The models are lots 81, 82, 83 above that corner home.

Prequalifications for applications will be accepted starting Sat Aug 8 at 10am through an email link they sent out. If you're interested in a view or large lot, (you can see they don't have large view lots), they only have a few. Given the number of people I have seriously interested, not to mention other brokers and their own clients, it's important for you to be ready to turn in the docs on sat to get high on that priority list.

Also if you're looking to move soon this is not the development for you. Even if you get a phase 1 lot, with typical construction times, you won't close escrow and get your keys for quite some time.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Housingbuff on August 06, 2020, 08:16:32 PM
The interest is that high that they are taking pre-quals before the models are open???!?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lnc on August 07, 2020, 07:21:43 AM
The interest is that high that they are taking pre-quals before the models are open???!?

Open to pre-qualify few weeks prior to grand opening are pretty much A standard procedure for all builders, they all doing this. 

Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on August 07, 2020, 08:18:02 PM
Website is live for the Wells Fargo registration.  Thought it was open at 10am on Saturday?

It doesn’t say what docs you need to upload.  It’s just 3 pages of personal information.  Is that typical?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 09, 2020, 04:10:10 PM
The interest is that high that they are taking pre-quals before the models are open???!?

Same for all new collections. The importance of getting high on the priority depends on a couple of factors; How competitive getting a good lot will be, and how picky you are with getting a lot you'll like. This is a small collection with very few primo lots, and there haven't been new 4k+ sqft homes in OH for a while, so it will be very competitive.
 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on August 16, 2020, 01:19:24 PM
What do you think the first few view lots will start around?

Any chance you guys think covid will bring down the pricing in the later phases?  I remember some of the other builders offered lower prices and more incentives in the later phases that actually made it a better deal than phase 1 homes.  Any chance it could happen here?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 16, 2020, 08:30:18 PM
What do you think the first few view lots will start around?

Any chance you guys think covid will bring down the pricing in the later phases?  I remember some of the other builders offered lower prices and more incentives in the later phases that actually made it a better deal than phase 1 homes.  Any chance it could happen here?

The builder won't discount premium view lots because they know they are most desirable lots and there will be many people who will be interested in purchasing them.  I'd say you can expect lot premiums of $250-$350k for the view lots.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 17, 2020, 03:24:40 PM
New info- Phase 1 is near the models, lots 48, 49, 50, and view lots 74, 75, 76.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 22, 2020, 10:02:49 AM
Models Public Opening is Next Saturday the 29th. Be sure to check in with your broker.

If youd like to see them earlier starting today send me a msg.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 29, 2020, 10:42:29 AM
Bases prices

Plan 1 1.755

Plan 2 1.77

Plan 3 1.81


Also they have Boba drinks today
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Housingbuff on August 29, 2020, 11:16:58 AM
What is the anticipated completion dates of Phase 1?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Goriot on August 29, 2020, 11:29:31 AM
Bases prices

Plan 1 1.755

Plan 2 1.77

Plan 3 1.81


Also they have Boba drinks today

Not bad.  What are the price ranges for the 3 view lots in phase 1?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 29, 2020, 11:55:04 AM
Here is the price sheet and mello roos info.  Base prices are $413/sf (Plan 3) to $423/sf (Plan 1 & 2) so these should sell well because of the reasonable pricing but expect the builder to increase prices as they move forward through the phases. Mello Roos will be $6,000 to $7,000 per year which puts the all-in tax rate around 1.4%.  I was there was a client at 11am and it was PACKED.  Anyone who thinks the higher end of the market hasn't picked up is lying to themselves.  Also, the broker co-op for Cetara is $45,000.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 29, 2020, 11:58:44 AM
Bases prices

Plan 1 1.755

Plan 2 1.77

Plan 3 1.81


Also they have Boba drinks today

Not bad.  What are the price ranges for the 3 view lots in phase 1?

They wouldn't say but expect at least a $250k-$300k view lot premium on top of the base price. The yards for most of the view lots are smaller than the lots in the model homes.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 29, 2020, 11:59:19 AM
What is the anticipated completion dates of Phase 1?

1Q 2021.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on August 29, 2020, 12:09:16 PM
If you had to estimate, what would you guess the builder increase the prices by per phase?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 29, 2020, 12:44:08 PM
Specific lot pricing not till they released them for sale in two weeks
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 29, 2020, 04:03:17 PM
If you had to estimate, what would you guess the builder increase the prices by per phase?

In the past with higher demand developments pricing would increase roughly 0.50% to 1% per phase release.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 29, 2020, 06:30:32 PM
Place was full of people till closing time
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: BlackkFever on August 29, 2020, 08:02:09 PM
Place was full of people till closing time

And around every corner was another realturd stalking its prey.

I’m surprised Shea didn’t shoo them all away, but it seemed like they were complicit.

Creepy Kris was the worst... like a child molester on a playground.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on August 29, 2020, 11:54:19 PM
They will sell all the view lots in the beginning phases, then sell toward the back.  If they raise prices every subsequent phase, wouldn't the homes on Coldwater with no view cost almost as much as the first phases with views?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 30, 2020, 12:06:37 AM
They will sell all the view lots in the beginning phases, then sell toward the back.  If they raise prices every subsequent phase, wouldn't the homes on Coldwater with no view cost almost as much as the first phases with views?

The pace of the base price increases will be based upon the demand that they see (how many Shea Home Mortgage pre-approved buyers they have on their list) and the pace of the sales of the released homes. Based upon the price per SF of the base prices, I feel that they priced the homes to quickly. The question will be how much they will charge for premium lots (larger lots, view lots, and of course the larger view lots).  Shea homes also charges more for most upgrades and less features are included standard compared to other builders from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on August 30, 2020, 12:17:03 AM
How much would a conservatory and balcony cost typically?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 30, 2020, 12:19:57 AM
How much would a conservatory and balcony cost typically?


Not sure about what Shea charges for a balcony but their conservatory room options have been fairly cheap (typically under $100/sf).
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on August 30, 2020, 12:23:43 AM
They will sell all the view lots in the beginning phases, then sell toward the back.  If they raise prices every subsequent phase, wouldn't the homes on Coldwater with no view cost almost as much as the first phases with views?

The pace of the base price increases will be based upon the demand that they see (how many Shea Home Mortgage pre-approved buyers they have on their list) and the pace of the sales of the released homes. Based upon the price per SF of the base prices, I feel that they priced the homes to quickly. The question will be how much they will charge for premium lots (larger lots, view lots, and of course the larger view lots).  Shea homes also charges more for most upgrades and less features are included standard compared to other builders from what I've seen.

So you mean they charge higher for upgrades compared to other builders?  What features are you referring to that they do not offer that is usually standard with other builders?  They have the smart home features but I am sure that is added into the base price of the homes.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 30, 2020, 12:35:43 AM
They will sell all the view lots in the beginning phases, then sell toward the back.  If they raise prices every subsequent phase, wouldn't the homes on Coldwater with no view cost almost as much as the first phases with views?

The pace of the base price increases will be based upon the demand that they see (how many Shea Home Mortgage pre-approved buyers they have on their list) and the pace of the sales of the released homes. Based upon the price per SF of the base prices, I feel that they priced the homes to quickly. The question will be how much they will charge for premium lots (larger lots, view lots, and of course the larger view lots).  Shea homes also charges more for most upgrades and less features are included standard compared to other builders from what I've seen.

So you mean they charge higher for upgrades compared to other builders?  What features are you referring to that they do not offer that is usually standard with other builders?  They have the smart home features but I am sure that is added into the base price of the homes.

Yes, generally speaking their upgrades are priced higher than other builders like for countertop upgrades, cabinet upgrades, recessed lights, flooring, etc. Some builders offer paint other than white, nicer countertops, soft close hinges for the cabinets, include recessed lights throughout the home, nicer baseboards, etc. Shea has slightly lower base prices (from a price per SF basis) compared to other builders probably because they include less standard items in the base price and charge more for most upgrades. Generally speaking, the design center is a huge profit centers for builders as the upgrade margins are significantly higher than the margin that they make selling a home with no upgrades. That being said, there are upgrades that you'll want to get from the builder (upgraded cabinets, conservatory room option, countertop upgrades, jboxes, data lines/outlets, recessed lights, additional plumbing lines, etc). as it'll keep cheaper and/or more convenient than getting them after the close of escrow.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 30, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
How much would a conservatory and balcony cost typically?

I have the price sheet for all the options. The conservatory is 15k. The upper deck is 15k
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on August 30, 2020, 12:04:14 PM
How much would a conservatory and balcony cost typically?

I have the price sheet for all the options. The conservatory is 15k. The upper deck is 15k

Thanks.  Is the $15k for the conservatory option the same price regardless of which plan?  Each plan has a slightly different sq footage for the conservatory.

How much are the open riser stairs?
Do you guys think it’s a good option to have over the regular stairs even though it removes the storage area?

For plan 3, How much is it for the glass option in the office?  And is that only possible with the open riser stairs ?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Housingbuff on August 30, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
How much would a conservatory and balcony cost typically?

I have the price sheet for all the options. The conservatory is 15k. The upper deck is 15k

Can you estimate what the cost of roughly all upgrades in model 2 and 3 would be? (Minus things that they would only need to place in model like speakers that connect to office, etc)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 30, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
How much would a conservatory and balcony cost typically?

I have the price sheet for all the options. The conservatory is 15k. The upper deck is 15k

Can you estimate what the cost of roughly all upgrades in model 2 and 3 would be? (Minus things that they would only need to place in model like speakers that connect to office, etc)

I specd around 150-200 on my hypothetical builds.
Models have about 400k in work in them but half of that is non builder options like the wood beams and the big tile wall etc
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: E on August 31, 2020, 02:03:33 AM
Saw lots of families with young kids there, but the biggest issue is there’s no park nearby. The area will be packed with 3 developments once all built out, where are the kids gonna play?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on August 31, 2020, 07:39:45 PM

Getting a lot of questions about upper deck on plan 3

OPT Deck at Master Bedroom. Adds Deck with Exterior
French Door to Master Bedroom. Adds Coach Lights~to match existing elevation lighting. Cannot be~selected with OPT Conservatory. (Available ONLY~at perimeter Lots 3, 6, 9, 12, 14, 34, 62, 64,~70, 72, 75, 83)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on August 31, 2020, 08:22:57 PM
What plan does everyone like?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: paperboyNC on September 02, 2020, 02:08:10 PM
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/09/01/irvine-getting-42-new-homes-with-prices-starting-at-1-7-million/
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: mhanism on September 02, 2020, 04:49:08 PM
I personally liked Plan 2 the best. Decent size and big open great room and second floor lounge. Reminded me of a cross between the Irvine Pacific Ravello and the larger Toll Brothers homes.

We're in contract with a Padova home and going through the options selection process, and I'd agree with Kris and budgeting about $150-200K in options and upgrades. The prices are reasonably fair to a bit higher vs. what you can do aftermarket, but the key is being able to bake into your mortgage and not having to demo and re-do post close. The design studio is def. aggressive but offer a very wide range of products which is neat. This is our fourth new construction home, with the prior three KB Homes builds up in the Bay Area, and compared to Shea Homes OC, their selections were no where near as good or expansive. The problem is having to make sure we don't destroy our budget.

I'd be curious if they'll be offering design studio credits with the first few Cetera releases...
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 02, 2020, 05:37:14 PM
They offer design studio credits?  I have heard of lots that they have trouble selling offering credits as incentive.  But rarely the first phases offer credits.

Plan 2 is nice but it didn’t have an extra office like plan 1 and 3 offered.  Plan 3 is very dark due to the lack of windows in the high ceiling area and the rooms were smaller.  Plan 1 is functional and reminded me of the Messina plan 3 without the curved stair.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 02, 2020, 05:54:14 PM
They offer design studio credits?  I have heard of lots that they have trouble selling offering credits as incentive.  But rarely the first phases offer credits.

Plan 2 is nice but it didn’t have an extra office like plan 1 and 3 offered.  Plan 3 is very dark due to the lack of windows in the high ceiling area and the rooms were smaller.  Plan 1 is functional and reminded me of the Messina plan 3 without the curved stair.

All my buyers said 2 or 3. The few that originally said 1 seemed to have switched over.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 04, 2020, 11:26:34 AM
Anyone get pricing yet?  Rumor is it was released today for phase 1.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 04, 2020, 01:21:04 PM
Anyone get pricing yet?  Rumor is it was released today for phase 1.

For those not on the priority list, the lot premiums for the view lots are 300-350. Their priority prequalified list was bigger than I thought.

View Lots
74- 2.105m
75- 2.16m
76- 2.12m
         
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 04, 2020, 04:49:51 PM
The view lot premiums are on the higher end of the 15-20% of purchase price premiums. They’ll sell all of those view lots quickly. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 04, 2020, 05:46:53 PM
Oh yes. The whole collection will be like their Parkside Estates in HB where there's a priority waiting list from first to last phase with no standing inventory quick move in homes ever really being available
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 04, 2020, 07:54:38 PM
Do you all think that the homes on Coldwater backing into the water basin and orchards will also have a $350k premium? Or is city views usually a LOT more expensive?

If you assume a 1% increase per phase, the homes on Coldwater should be phase 11+.  That's a $200k price increase over the phase 1 homes.  They will be $2m before lot premiums.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on September 06, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
Do all builders expect you to make a decision the minute they call you for phase release AND expect the earnest deposit the SAME DAY?  Or is that just how Shea pushes?  I’m curious if Toll Brothers or Lennar or Tri Pointe work the same way?  A home is a big purchase so they should allow you to decide over a couple of days.  Or do all builders work this way?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Cares on September 06, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
Do all builders expect you to make a decision the minute they call you for phase release AND expect the earnest deposit the SAME DAY?  Or is that just how Shea pushes?  I’m curious if Toll Brothers or Lennar or Tri Pointe work the same way?  A home is a big purchase so they should allow you to decide over a couple of days.  Or do all builders work this way?

Depends on the demand. If there's a "wait list" for a site then they will push you to deposit same day without a cooling off period.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 07, 2020, 10:54:13 AM
Do you all think that the homes on Coldwater backing into the water basin and orchards will also have a $350k premium? Or is city views usually a LOT more expensive?

If you assume a 1% increase per phase, the homes on Coldwater should be phase 11+.  That's a $200k price increase over the phase 1 homes.  They will be $2m before lot premiums.

We were wondering this also.  What are everyone’s thoughts who have been to the community?  Would you pay the view premium or a lot premium with no view in a later phase?

When the homes below are built out, will you see the rooftops or are the elevations high enough so you only see skyline views?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 07, 2020, 11:51:50 AM
Do you all think that the homes on Coldwater backing into the water basin and orchards will also have a $350k premium? Or is city views usually a LOT more expensive?

If you assume a 1% increase per phase, the homes on Coldwater should be phase 11+.  That's a $200k price increase over the phase 1 homes.  They will be $2m before lot premiums.

We were wondering this also.  What are everyone’s thoughts who have been to the community?  Would you pay the view premium or a lot premium with no view in a later phase?

When the homes below are built out, will you see the rooftops or are the elevations high enough so you only see skyline views?

Really depends on what your preference is.

Have you been to the site yet? It’s well elevated so once those Palermo homes are built you’ll only see the roofs when you look down.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 07, 2020, 12:34:45 PM
Do you all think that the homes on Coldwater backing into the water basin and orchards will also have a $350k premium? Or is city views usually a LOT more expensive?

If you assume a 1% increase per phase, the homes on Coldwater should be phase 11+.  That's a $200k price increase over the phase 1 homes.  They will be $2m before lot premiums.

We were wondering this also.  What are everyone%u2019s thoughts who have been to the community?  Would you pay the view premium or a lot premium with no view in a later phase?

When the homes below are built out, will you see the rooftops or are the elevations high enough so you only see skyline views?

Really depends on what your preference is.

Have you been to the site yet? It%u2019s well elevated so once those Palermo homes are built you%u2019ll only see the roofs when you look down.

Kris - have not had a chance to see them yet.  Would you say the elevation is higher or lower than Trevi to Saviero?  Or more like Capella to Vizenca?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Goriot on September 07, 2020, 02:08:12 PM

Kris - have not had a chance to see them yet.  Would you say the elevation is higher or lower than Trevi to Saviero?  Or more like Capella to Vizenca?

It's more like Capella to Vicenza, but little higher.  Less elevation then Trevi to Saviero.  Once its all done, probably sky line view from the Great Room and patio, but you will see rooftops from 2nd half of the backyard.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Movingup on September 08, 2020, 11:30:46 PM
Anyone notice most of these lots really has tiny or "no" back yard. Would that be a deal breaker?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: E on September 08, 2020, 11:53:00 PM

Getting a lot of questions about upper deck on plan 3

OPT Deck at Master Bedroom. Adds Deck with Exterior
French Door to Master Bedroom. Adds Coach Lights~to match existing elevation lighting. Cannot be~selected with OPT Conservatory. (Available ONLY~at perimeter Lots 3, 6, 9, 12, 14, 34, 62, 64,~70, 72, 75, 83)

For the plan 3 lots not listed above, is the OPT deck completely out of question, even hiring someone to build after?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Bullsback on September 09, 2020, 08:35:09 AM
Anyone notice most of these lots really has tiny or "no" back yard. Would that be a deal breaker?
I think you will find when the market is slow - expensive homes with no back yards have a hard time moving.  I've noticed a ton over the past year - those smaller lot homes that are in the $1.25-$1.75M range tend to sit where as homes with nicer lots move pretty quickly.  When it has the brand new smell - they will sell either way (lure of brand new) but in resale I think you'll see small lot homes sit more, unless they are really well done and/or priced more aggressively.  Just my 2 cents though (and I'm really anti small lot so have a bias that way). 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: LongIrvine on September 09, 2020, 08:53:11 AM
Probably goes without saying, that not all large lots are the same, side, slope etc.  What do most people consider a large lot?  20 ft rear setback?  40?  >7k sq ft lot?  Just curious what others think, I agree with Bulls; I'm particularly partial to large lots and really think it's underappreciated how wide the lots on the street are given how many people don't use their garages.  Having 60+ feet between houses has a huge impact vs. 50 ft. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 09, 2020, 09:53:54 AM
Anyone notice most of these lots really has tiny or "no" back yard. Would that be a deal breaker?
I think you will find when the market is slow - expensive homes with no back yards have a hard time moving.  I've noticed a ton over the past year - those smaller lot homes that are in the $1.25-$1.75M range tend to sit where as homes with nicer lots move pretty quickly.  When it has the brand new smell - they will sell either way (lure of brand new) but in resale I think you'll see small lot homes sit more, unless they are really well done and/or priced more aggressively.  Just my 2 cents though (and I'm really anti small lot so have a bias that way). 

+1 I think covid has amplified the desire to have a larger yard for many buyers that can afford single family homes.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 09, 2020, 09:57:36 AM

Getting a lot of questions about upper deck on plan 3

OPT Deck at Master Bedroom. Adds Deck with Exterior
French Door to Master Bedroom. Adds Coach Lights~to match existing elevation lighting. Cannot be~selected with OPT Conservatory. (Available ONLY~at perimeter Lots 3, 6, 9, 12, 14, 34, 62, 64,~70, 72, 75, 83)

For the plan 3 lots not listed above, is the OPT deck completely out of question, even hiring someone to build after?

I would say that most buyers would opt for a conservatory room versus a master bedroom desk. The conservatory room adds additional square feet to the home at a small price per SF and makes the living area more usable. Will people really use the master bedroom desk with a small yard where they are looking at their neighbors?  I can see how the master bedroom desk would be a nice addition for one of the view lot homes though.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 09, 2020, 10:00:29 AM
Probably goes without saying, that not all large lots are the same, side, slope etc.  What do most people consider a large lot?  20 ft rear setback?  40?  >7k sq ft lot?  Just curious what others think, I agree with Bulls; I'm particularly partial to large lots and really think it's underappreciated how wide the lots on the street are given how many people don't use their garages.  Having 60+ feet between houses has a huge impact vs. 50 ft. 

It's all relative. If you ask someoen that has moved from an area outside of Southern California, a larger lot may be 1 acre. But I think for most Irvine buyers a larger lot would be one that's over 5,000sf or maybe where the lot is 2x the size of the home (can vary depending on the footprint of the home on the lot though).
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on September 09, 2020, 12:45:02 PM
I was debating this with some friends.  A few bought La Vita plan 4 with view lots for under $2m in the early phases.  Some have sold for over $3.5m which is a great appreciation in five years.  Their lot sizes are 10k sq ft.  They are 4 bed/4.5bath.

Can Cetara with 5-6k sq ft view lots but 5 bed/5.5bath ideally sell for around the same price in five years? 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Movingup on September 09, 2020, 01:37:27 PM
Just keep in mind, the back edge of your lot is literally about 5 or so steps away from your house.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 09, 2020, 02:37:12 PM
Aren’t most Irvine lots 5 feet width so 10 feet total between homes?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on September 11, 2020, 11:58:55 AM
Anyone get pricing yet?  Rumor is it was released today for phase 1.

For those not on the priority list, the lot premiums for the view lots are 300-350. Their priority prequalified list was bigger than I thought.

View Lots
74- 2.105m
75- 2.16m
76- 2.12m
       

Do you know how big the list is?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on September 11, 2020, 12:43:44 PM
I'm starting to get the itch for that new home smell.  These look way better than Ravello but i think the view isn't as impressive?  Can anyone confirm? 

Plan 2 had a wow factor when i walked in but I really liked the functionality of Plan 1 and the side patio.  Maybe the gym goes in the side patio conservatory....
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Goriot on September 11, 2020, 01:55:35 PM
I'm starting to get the itch for that new home smell.  These look way better than Ravello but i think the view isn't as impressive?  Can anyone confirm? 

Plan 2 had a wow factor when i walked in but I really liked the functionality of Plan 1 and the side patio.  Maybe the gym goes in the side patio conservatory....

View at Ravello is definitely way better with a higher elevation.  Plan 2 is a wow factor, but only if you get the view lot.  You don't want resident right behind you to stare down on the greatroom in that big window=) as the lots are tiny for the house (Avg. 5,700 sqft lot on a 4,000+ sqft home).  I like the house itself though if you can get the view lot, but looks like mid-$2mm investment with the options/landscaping.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on September 11, 2020, 02:47:50 PM
So you guys think Plan 2 will be more popular than Plan 3?  Assume view lot
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on September 12, 2020, 11:35:43 AM
Welp...phase 1 sold out in 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 12, 2020, 01:12:31 PM
Welp...phase 1 sold out in 90 minutes.

How do you know?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 12, 2020, 01:52:10 PM
Welp...phase 1 sold out in 90 minutes.

No shocker as the base prices were very reasonable.  Expect phase 2 to be out in 3-4 weeks due to the strong sales. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on September 12, 2020, 02:23:02 PM
Welp...phase 1 sold out in 90 minutes.

How do you know?

I'm on the list.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 12, 2020, 08:29:16 PM
My friend told me that the glass wall in lieu of standard windows and the sliding doors in the great room in Plan 2 is $30k.  That sounds expensive.  Is it advisable and cheaper to find a contractor to do it after closing?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: aquabliss on September 12, 2020, 08:38:16 PM
That is expensive but guessing it’s for an expansive corner slider with 2 walls of sliding doors?  That’s a structural upgrade you don’t want to do after closing.  What happens 18 months later when the ceiling above starts to give way?  Good luck on getting your contractor to fix it.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on September 12, 2020, 08:52:44 PM
Seems like a good deal. The floating stairs is a $50k option.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: aquabliss on September 12, 2020, 09:13:05 PM
Seems like a good deal. The floating stairs is a $50k option.

What’s the max weight limit?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Housingbuff on September 12, 2020, 09:16:39 PM
Were there any incentives or design credits on the Phase 1?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: qwerty on September 12, 2020, 09:52:05 PM
Seems like a good deal. The floating stairs is a $50k option.

What’s the max weight limit?

IHO :-)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 12, 2020, 10:23:06 PM
Were there any incentives or design credits on the Phase 1?

Zero incentives.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 12, 2020, 11:10:12 PM
unofficially all the phases are sold out going by the size of that prequal list. The phases sell out in however fast Leslie and Mei are able to dial and converse with buyers.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 12, 2020, 11:16:13 PM
My friend told me that the glass wall in lieu of standard windows and the sliding doors in the great room in Plan 2 is $30k.  That sounds expensive.  Is it advisable and cheaper to find a contractor to do it after closing?

Definitely better to do structural options through the builder. The glass wall, the floating stairs ect.

 
Seems like a good deal. The floating stairs is a $50k option.

What’s the max weight limit?

2-3k lbs around there.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Movingup on September 12, 2020, 11:36:16 PM
unofficially all the phases are sold out going by the size of that prequal list. The phases sell out in however fast Leslie and Mei are able to dial and converse with buyers.

So basically are you saying if you are not on the list, don't bother?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 12, 2020, 11:42:53 PM
unofficially all the phases are sold out going by the size of that prequal list. The phases sell out in however fast Leslie and Mei are able to dial and converse with buyers.

So basically are you saying if you are not on the list, don't bother?

oh not at all. Definitely get yourself on the list and have a realtor check you in at the office.

For those late to the party, Homes that fall out of contract don't go to the priority list, they become first come first serve, so that's a possibility. Also people are fickle and impatient. You can get called on the priority as phases move on because people buy elsewhere instead of waiting or change their minds.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: E on September 12, 2020, 11:50:38 PM
unofficially all the phases are sold out going by the size of that prequal list. The phases sell out in however fast Leslie and Mei are able to dial and converse with buyers.

So basically are you saying if you are not on the list, don't bother?

oh not at all. Definitely get yourself on the list and have a realtor check you in at the office.

For those late to the party, Homes that fall out of contract don't go to the priority list, they become first come first serve, so that's a possibility. Also people are fickle and impatient. You can get called on the priority as phases move on because people buy elsewhere instead of waiting or change their minds.

By all the phases do you mean the entire 80+ homes? They seem to be telling ppl the other 40+ homes are still uncertain, the builder hasn’t purchased the lots, plans might not be the same, yada yada yada...kinda feels like a sales tactic. I can’t imagine more than 80 people on the list.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 13, 2020, 12:01:05 AM
It is, they don't want people waiting for the larger lots. They want things getting sold. Options paralyze people. And I can assure you the prequal list is well over 80
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: E on September 13, 2020, 07:38:02 AM
It is, they don't want people waiting for the larger lots. They want things getting sold. Options paralyze people. And I can assure you the prequal list is well over 80

That’s insane. If the list is that long, would they builder faster than originally planned? 2023 completion seems very far from now, the higher end of price tag makes Bella Vista look like a steal for those who got it new.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 13, 2020, 08:50:21 AM
Everyone keeps comparing Cetara to the Vistas, including myself.  I do not know why TIC released Vistas before Cetara.  They should have saved the Vistas for last.  Probably could have gotten more for them.  For $2m, you could have bought a 5500 sq ft Bella on a 10k lot vs Cetara which is 4K sq ft on a 5k lot in the early phases.  It is a no brainer which one is a better deal.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 13, 2020, 10:14:06 AM
Everyone keeps comparing Cetara to the Vistas, including myself.  I do not know why TIC released Vistas before Cetara.  They should have saved the Vistas for last.  Probably could have gotten more for them. For $2m, you could have bought a 5500 sq ft Bella on a 10k lot vs Cetara which is 4K sq ft on a 5k lot in the early phases.  It is a no brained which one is a better deal.

It was Toll Bros not TIC. Hindsight is 20-20. I recall at the time some people said the vistas were overpriced.
Yes the first phases for just about  any development is something everyone should try to buy either as primary residence or an investment. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 13, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
People thought the Vistas were overpriced in the beginning?  I have never heard that.  Trevi started at $2.5m and they are on a lower elevation without 4 car garages.  Amelia started at $2m with back to back lot situations.  Amelia homes were 5k square feet homes on a 6k sq ft lot.  Most everyone I spoke to thought the Vistas started low before Toll started increasing the prices. But everything is in hindsight.  The track that no one thought would appreciate like it did was La Vita.  I remember how everyone clowned on the piazzas and why anyone would pay $1.5-$1.7m for those. Look at the resales now, especially plan 4.  4k sq ft home selling for what some of the Vistas, which are much larger homes, sell for.

If you were to compare Cetara right now at the current prices to everything that is currently available, Genoa, Ravello or resale, then yeah, Cetara is probably a steal.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 13, 2020, 12:41:29 PM
There were definitely doubters at the time. There always is for everything.
Genoa has more larger lots available so it’s still a good buy if you like big yards.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on September 13, 2020, 12:58:09 PM
There were definitely doubters at the time. There always is for everything.
Genoa has more larger lots available so it’s still a good buy if you like big yards.

Does Genoa have any view lots?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 13, 2020, 01:30:40 PM
There were definitely doubters at the time. There always is for everything.
Genoa has more larger lots available so it’s still a good buy if you like big yards.

Does Genoa have any view lots?

No.  But I have heard poor build quality with KB Homes even though people say builders all contract out the work to the same subcontractors.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 13, 2020, 01:55:37 PM
There were definitely doubters at the time. There always is for everything.
Genoa has more larger lots available so it’s still a good buy if you like big yards.

Does Genoa have any view lots?

No.  But I have heard poor build quality with KB Homes even though people say builders all contract out the work to the same subcontractors.
There were definitely doubters at the time. There always is for everything.
Genoa has more larger lots available so it’s still a good buy if you like big yards.

Does Genoa have any view lots?

No long horizon city view lots though they do have some nice orchard facing and elevated lots.

There’s no large builder I know of here in competitive SoCal where I’ll say avoid them. I say treat them all the same, when it comes time to do your walk through hire a home inspector like you would with a resell home give you the ok sign off on the home.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 13, 2020, 02:25:24 PM
Kris, interesting to hear you mention that.  I went though the new home buy process before and never thought to hire my own home inspector.  I just used the one the builder used to walk through with us.  I figured if anything breaks, we have warranty through the builder. 

Is it best practice to hire your own to contest things that the builder could miss?  Has anyone on this forum had a poor experience with the builders home inspection?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Goriot on September 13, 2020, 04:08:04 PM
I think the hype/popularity at Cetara is driving up traffic and sales at Palermo tract as well.  I think Palermo sales picked up after Cetara grand opening or is it more availability of jumbo loans?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 13, 2020, 05:41:15 PM
Kris, interesting to hear you mention that.  I went though the new home buy process before and never thought to hire my own home inspector.  I just used the one the builder used to walk through with us.  I figured if anything breaks, we have warranty through the builder. 

Is it best practice to hire your own to contest things that the builder could miss?  Has anyone on this forum had a poor experience with the builders home inspection?

It's not just about something that breaks, a home inspection for a new home is a great piece of mind and will reveal if there are any fit/finish issues along with any safety items. I ALWAYS recommend my new home buyers to get a home inspection, some even get a pre-drywall inspection. Then you have a 3rd party inspection report that you can take to the builder and request that all the items be corrected.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 13, 2020, 05:42:21 PM
I think the hype/popularity at Cetara is driving up traffic and sales at Palermo tract as well.  I think Palermo sales picked up after Cetara grand opening or is it more availability of jumbo loans?


The availability of jumbo loans has always been there if you have good credit and stable income, the market for the higher end has been improving in the past few months.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 13, 2020, 05:50:04 PM
Kris, interesting to hear you mention that.  I went though the new home buy process before and never thought to hire my own home inspector.  I just used the one the builder used to walk through with us.  I figured if anything breaks, we have warranty through the builder. 

Is it best practice to hire your own to contest things that the builder could miss?  Has anyone on this forum had a poor experience with the builders home inspection?

It's not just about something that breaks, a home inspection for a new home is a great piece of mind and will reveal if there are any fit/finish issues along with any safety items. I ALWAYS recommend my new home buyers to get a home inspection, some even get a pre-drywall inspection. Then you have a 3rd party inspection report that you can take to the builder and request that all the items be corrected.
Kris, interesting to hear you mention that.  I went though the new home buy process before and never thought to hire my own home inspector.  I just used the one the builder used to walk through with us.  I figured if anything breaks, we have warranty through the builder. 

Is it best practice to hire your own to contest things that the builder could miss?  Has anyone on this forum had a poor experience with the builders home inspection?

Prevention is better than repair essentially. Same principle in medical and any field really.

Do you really want to be dealing with customer service calls and forms to replace an AC 3 times before they realize there's a faulty pipe at cause. A couple hundred can save quite a bit of future headache.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 13, 2020, 06:42:23 PM
Do you guys have a good home inspector to recommend?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 13, 2020, 07:05:31 PM
Do you guys have a good home inspector to recommend?

Give Steve at Bilt-Rite a call at 714-777-9111 (he's a great inspector but a talker).

https://www.yelp.com/biz/bilt-rite-property-inspections-and-consulting-llc-yorba-linda-2
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 13, 2020, 07:55:10 PM
Does anyone know how the standard options at Cetara compare to the standard options at Genoa?  The pricing of Genoa is around $1.7-1.8m.  Seems high for small homes.  Unless KB has better options than Shea?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 13, 2020, 08:11:22 PM
Does anyone know how the standard options at Cetara compare to the standard options at Genoa?  The pricing of Genoa is around $1.7-1.8m.  Seems high for small homes.  Unless KB has better options than Shea?

Bigger lots

Keep in mind the options won’t be apples to apples.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on September 13, 2020, 09:16:54 PM
Maybe Cetara is newer but when I went, there were tons of people.  Genoa is like a ghost town, big lots or not. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on September 13, 2020, 10:30:45 PM
I'm looking to make the move from LA to Irvine and initially I went to Great Park and I liked it. I then went to elderberry in PS and considered it but then I made my way to Orchard Hills and never thought about Great Park again. I saw Genoa first last weekend and was quite underwhelmed. Not really a fan of what they did to their model homes. I then went to Cetara and was blown away. Genoa was so bland and cookie cutter it seemed like. Cetara had the Courtyard in plan 1 and then plan 2 and 3 showcased the beautiful stairs but just felt more open, obviously its bigger but they did a great job with the models. I'm hoping to eventually get on the priority list but not sure how thats going to look with this response. On the sheet, there's some gray areas next to the phases. Are these later phases not advertised for cetara?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 13, 2020, 10:53:18 PM
I'm looking to make the move from LA to Irvine and initially I went to Great Park and I liked it. I then went to elderberry in PS and considered it but then I made my way to Orchard Hills and never thought about Great Park again. I saw Genoa first last weekend and was quite underwhelmed. Not really a fan of what they did to their model homes. I then went to Cetara and was blown away. Genoa was so bland and cookie cutter it seemed like. Cetara had the Courtyard in plan 1 and then plan 2 and 3 showcased the beautiful stairs but just felt more open, obviously its bigger but they did a great job with the models. I'm hoping to eventually get on the priority list but not sure how thats going to look with this response. On the sheet, there's some gray areas next to the phases. Are these later phases not advertised for cetara?

No one should be scared to get on the priority list. Worst case scenario you buy elsewhere before they call you for a lot.

Yes the grey areas are beyond phase 7. They are keeping the full site map and the size of all the lots from the general public. Myself and I’d assume other brokers have it though
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Post by: trematix on September 13, 2020, 11:14:46 PM
not scared.

issue is im contingent until i get my LA home in escrow.

wont be able to qualify until i sell my home and get the money out.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Movingup on September 13, 2020, 11:45:38 PM
I think there are some people that can prequalify for being contingent. Maybe Kris has the info.
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Post by: lnc on September 14, 2020, 07:20:59 AM
I'm looking to make the move from LA to Irvine and initially I went to Great Park and I liked it. I then went to elderberry in PS and considered it but then I made my way to Orchard Hills and never thought about Great Park again. I saw Genoa first last weekend and was quite underwhelmed. Not really a fan of what they did to their model homes. I then went to Cetara and was blown away. Genoa was so bland and cookie cutter it seemed like. Cetara had the Courtyard in plan 1 and then plan 2 and 3 showcased the beautiful stairs but just felt more open, obviously its bigger but they did a great job with the models. I'm hoping to eventually get on the priority list but not sure how thats going to look with this response. On the sheet, there's some gray areas next to the phases. Are these later phases not advertised for cetara?

No one should be scared to get on the priority list. Worst case scenario you buy elsewhere before they call you for a lot.

Yes the grey areas are beyond phase 7. They are keeping the full site map and the size of all the lots from the general public. Myself and I’d assume other brokers have it though


Regarding to the full lot map and lot sizes, you might able to find them from city planning’s documents.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 14, 2020, 07:33:03 AM
I think there are some people that can prequalify for being contingent. Maybe Kris has the info.

One of my buyers that I registered at Cetara is contingent upon them selling their home. Shea told us that they will go through their non-contingent list first and then go to the contingent list. Once Shea always allows a contingent buyer to get into escrow, they will require the buyer to list their home within 7 days (same things happened to a client of mine who is buying at Padova). Then you need to get the home into escrow within 60 days and close with 90 days.
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Post by: talkirvine on September 14, 2020, 12:49:27 PM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?
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Post by: akkord on September 14, 2020, 03:38:38 PM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?

My previous home was a phase 1 home, actually the very 1st to be finished in that tract, we lived through construction for another 7/8 months until the surrounding area was built up, some lots near us took over a year to build out.  The park across the street was finally built shy of 2 years after we moved in, we sold soon after the 2 year mark. 
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Post by: talkirvine on September 14, 2020, 04:58:11 PM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?

My previous home was a phase 1 home, actually the very 1st to be finished in that tract, we lived through construction for another 7/8 months until the surrounding area was built up, some lots near us took over a year to build out.  The park across the street was finally built shy of 2 years after we moved in, we sold soon after the 2 year mark.

Sorry I just dont get it. Why would you prefer to live in a community under construction with no or little amenities, and move out when all the construction is done and the all the amenities are ready to be enjoyed. I thought we all want to avoid construction sites with all the dust and noise. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: mhanism on September 14, 2020, 09:19:18 PM
Given the steady trend in housing prices around here, usually the Phase I prices are the lowest and most economical, with some sacrifices to lot size or location. By the time the final phases are sold - some 2-3 years later, prices tend to have gone up, you hit the 2 of 5 year residency test (which enables you to exclude up to $250/$500k in capital gain on the home) and you can sell the home, then upgrade to the latest and greatest, larger and nicer home. It's the American Dream in a bubble called Irvine.  :)

We were on that train up in the Bay Area, and have since gotten off, saved some of our equity and waiting for our home to be built here in Padova and plan to enjoy the community with no pressure to move up or upgrade...

....for at least a few years....LOL
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 14, 2020, 09:28:16 PM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?

Two of mine were called for phase 1, passing so they can be first called on phase 2

Given the steady trend in housing prices around here, usually the Phase I prices are the lowest and most economical, with some sacrifices to lot size or location. By the time the final phases are sold - some 2-3 years later, prices tend to have gone up, you hit the 2 of 5 year residency test (which enables you to exclude up to $250/$500k in capital gain on the home) and you can sell the home, then upgrade to the latest and greatest, larger and nicer home. It's the American Dream in a bubble called Irvine.  :)

We were on that train up in the Bay Area, and have since gotten off, saved some of our equity and waiting for our home to be built here in Padova and plan to enjoy the community with no pressure to move up or upgrade...

....for at least a few years....LOL

I have pocket listing homes in Newport coast if you want to sell some organs and upgrade to that ocean view
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: mhanism on September 14, 2020, 10:17:27 PM
Of coarse you do Kris....of coarse you do!
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Post by: Vaqueros on September 14, 2020, 10:57:57 PM
I heard that Toll brothers places verified cash buyers at the top of their priority list, 2nd is non-contingent fiance buyers, and then everyone else at the bottom.

Is that true for all builders?

Is that how the Cetara priority list is arranged too?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 14, 2020, 11:01:03 PM
Cetara places non contingent cash buyers the same as non contingent loan buyers.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on September 14, 2020, 11:03:56 PM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?

Two of mine were called for phase 1, passing so they can be first called on phase 2

Given the steady trend in housing prices around here, usually the Phase I prices are the lowest and most economical, with some sacrifices to lot size or location. By the time the final phases are sold - some 2-3 years later, prices tend to have gone up, you hit the 2 of 5 year residency test (which enables you to exclude up to $250/$500k in capital gain on the home) and you can sell the home, then upgrade to the latest and greatest, larger and nicer home. It's the American Dream in a bubble called Irvine.  :)

We were on that train up in the Bay Area, and have since gotten off, saved some of our equity and waiting for our home to be built here in Padova and plan to enjoy the community with no pressure to move up or upgrade...

....for at least a few years....LOL

I have pocket listing homes in Newport coast if you want to sell some organs and upgrade to that ocean view

Kris, why would your buyers pass up on phase 1 to get phase 2?

Were they wanting interior or view lots?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 14, 2020, 11:09:52 PM
For view lots.

First three people they called took the view lots. Then people opted to wait or took the interior lots. For the 6  phase 1 lots they called had to call 9 people to get them sold.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on September 14, 2020, 11:17:08 PM
Very surprised that Shea would share that information with you.  Number of buyers that they had to call.

I heard people on the list asking what number they are on the priority list, after they were called, and Shea still would not divulge their exact number.
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Post by: Movingup on September 14, 2020, 11:26:33 PM
Seems like getting a view lot is impossible if you are not already on the list before the grand opening.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 14, 2020, 11:28:55 PM
Very surprised that Shea would share that information with you.  Number of buyers that they had to call.

I heard people on the list asking what number they are on the priority list, after they were called, and Shea still would not divulge their number on the priority list.

Ya they definitely don’t let specific place on the list slip. You can at least infer if you were called for phase 1 and passed then you’ll be called sooner for subsequent phases.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Sidehussle on September 15, 2020, 10:17:49 AM
I heard that Toll brothers places verified cash buyers at the top of their priority list, 2nd is non-contingent fiance buyers, and then everyone else at the bottom.

Is that true for all builders?

Is that how the Cetara priority list is arranged too?

Sounds like good business practice/policy...cash is king!
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Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 15, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
It is, they don't want people waiting for the larger lots. They want things getting sold. Options paralyze people. And I can assure you the prequal list is well over 80

The wait list is definitely north of 80 but there are a lot of buyers on there that are focusing on either a view lot or a larger lot so if they don't get one of those lots they are out.
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Post by: lovingit on September 15, 2020, 11:29:02 AM
Generally, would most buyers go for smaller view lot or larger non-view lot?  From a resale perspective, what is more attractive?
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Post by: trematix on September 15, 2020, 11:49:17 AM
Generally, would most buyers go for smaller view lot or larger non-view lot?  From a resale perspective, what is more attractive?

with covid now, you would want a bigger lot im assuming. but that could change again in 3-5 years when hopefully normality starts to return. Nonetheless, I was told phase 2 lots are about 5100. Thats like a patio not a backyard.
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Post by: qwerty on September 15, 2020, 12:10:09 PM
Very surprised that Shea would share that information with you.  Number of buyers that they had to call.

I heard people on the list asking what number they are on the priority list, after they were called, and Shea still would not divulge their number on the priority list.

Ya they definitely don’t let specific place on the list slip. You can at least infer if you were called for phase 1 and passed then you’ll be called sooner for subsequent phases.

They are there to make sales. Six sold houses in in 9 calls. They disseminate this info to the agents and then the agents tell the clients and it creates a sense of urgency. Perhaps it took 30 calls to sell those 6. We will never know.  But 6 of 9 sounds good, things are on fire! and now people they call in the future may not be inclined to pass up a lot for fear of missing out.
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Post by: AW on September 15, 2020, 12:36:37 PM
all the plans are 2 car garages for > 4k sq ft house?
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Post by: bones on September 15, 2020, 01:02:49 PM
Very surprised that Shea would share that information with you.  Number of buyers that they had to call.

I heard people on the list asking what number they are on the priority list, after they were called, and Shea still would not divulge their number on the priority list.

Ya they definitely don’t let specific place on the list slip. You can at least infer if you were called for phase 1 and passed then you’ll be called sooner for subsequent phases.

They are there to make sales. Six sold houses in in 9 calls. They disseminate this info to the agents and then the agents tell the clients and it creates a sense of urgency. Perhaps it took 30 calls to sell those 6. We will never know.  But 6 of 9 sounds good, things are on fire! and now people they call in the future may not be inclined to pass up a lot for fear of missing out.

Are you implying people in sales lie? GASP!
I do think if their list is 80+, it’s probably not inconceivable that they only had to call 9 to get 6. Usually phase 1 buyers do a lot of HW, know the lots, know what they want and are first on the list for a reason.
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Post by: lovingit on September 15, 2020, 01:12:44 PM
I wonder if only two car garage for these homes will deter buyers.  Saviero has three cars right? 
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Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 15, 2020, 01:28:02 PM
Very surprised that Shea would share that information with you.  Number of buyers that they had to call.

I heard people on the list asking what number they are on the priority list, after they were called, and Shea still would not divulge their number on the priority list.

Ya they definitely don’t let specific place on the list slip. You can at least infer if you were called for phase 1 and passed then you’ll be called sooner for subsequent phases.

They are there to make sales. Six sold houses in in 9 calls. They disseminate this info to the agents and then the agents tell the clients and it creates a sense of urgency. Perhaps it took 30 calls to sell those 6. We will never know.  But 6 of 9 sounds good, things are on fire! and now people they call in the future may not be inclined to pass up a lot for fear of missing out.

Very true, perception becomes reality...I use it to my advantage on multiple offer situations on my listings. ;)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 15, 2020, 01:30:27 PM
all the plans are 2 car garages for > 4k sq ft house?

I think the last new homes that they built that had more than a 2-car garage was at the Vistas. If they added a 3-car garage to Cetara that would be a homerun.  The problem is that garage space does not count as square footage and a 1-car garage space is approx. 200sf (that extra interior square footage is worth $80k to $100k to a builder).
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Movingup on September 15, 2020, 02:39:36 PM
It is, they don't want people waiting for the larger lots. They want things getting sold. Options paralyze people. And I can assure you the prequal list is well over 80

The wait list is definitely north of 80 but there are a lot of buyers on there that are focusing on either a view lot or a larger lot so if they don't get one of those lots they are out.

When you say big lots, are you talking about the non-view lots at the end of the cul-de-sac? Otherwise, every other lots seem pretty small.
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Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 15, 2020, 02:42:50 PM
It is, they don't want people waiting for the larger lots. They want things getting sold. Options paralyze people. And I can assure you the prequal list is well over 80

The wait list is definitely north of 80 but there are a lot of buyers on there that are focusing on either a view lot or a larger lot so if they don't get one of those lots they are out.

When you say big lots, are you talking about the non-view lots at the end of the cul-de-sac? Otherwise, every other lots seem pretty small.

If you look at the full site map or lot map with the sizes you’ll see there’s some good sized ones in those grayed out areas
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Post by: Movingup on September 15, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
If you look at the full site map or lot map with the sizes you’ll see there’s some good sized ones in those grayed out areas

I see. So, people are potentially waiting beyond phase 7.
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Post by: lovingit on September 15, 2020, 04:10:16 PM
If you look at the full site map or lot map with the sizes you%u2019ll see there%u2019s some good sized ones in those grayed out areas

I see. So, people are potentially waiting beyond phase 7.

Yes.  However, imagine 0.5% increase per phase.  That%u2019s $10k increase per phase.  By phase 10, that%u2019s $100k more.  Before lot premium.  Genoa has $100k lot premiums.  Potentially, you could be paying $200k more for these bigger lots then. 
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Post by: Movingup on September 15, 2020, 04:38:12 PM
If you look at the full site map or lot map with the sizes you’ll see there’s some good sized ones in those grayed out areas

I see. So, people are potentially waiting beyond phase 7.

Yes.  However, imagine 0.5% increase per phase.  That’s $10k increase per phase.  By phase 10, that’s $100k more.  Before lot premium.  Genoa has $100k lot premiums.  Potentially, you could be paying $200k more for these bigger lots but then.

That seems like a very aggressive price hike per phase and they may not be able to keep up the interest. I still find there is a little more hype than substance for this community. Like you guys said, 2 car garages and really tiny lots. But people are probably impressed with the model homes. Once you are itching to add more and more options, it will quickly ballooned.
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Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 15, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
If you look at the full site map or lot map with the sizes you’ll see there’s some good sized ones in those grayed out areas

I see. So, people are potentially waiting beyond phase 7.

I don’t think anyone on the prequal list right now has the patience to wait beyond phase 7. In general people aren’t that patient. If they went and prequalified, they will get something elsewhere before waiting too long. The inside p1 lots that sold were to people who originally wanted a view lot and didn’t even want to wait for phase 2.

 
It is, they don't want people waiting for the larger lots. They want things getting sold. Options paralyze people. And I can assure you the prequal list is well over 80

The wait list is definitely north of 80 but there are a lot of buyers on there that are focusing on either a view lot or a larger lot so if they don't get one of those lots they are out.

They may talk like it but when it comes time to it I don’t think most people will be that die hard committed to the view. They’ll take what’s available. I suppose it depends on their specific situation.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on September 16, 2020, 08:26:32 AM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?

Two of mine were called for phase 1, passing so they can be first called on phase 2

Can you share when you registered these two clients? This will help me (and others I'm sure) get a better sense of where we are on the list.
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Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 16, 2020, 09:20:13 AM
If you look at the full site map or lot map with the sizes you’ll see there’s some good sized ones in those grayed out areas

I see. So, people are potentially waiting beyond phase 7.

I don’t think anyone on the prequal list right now has the patience to wait beyond phase 7. In general people aren’t that patient. If they went and prequalified, they will get something elsewhere before waiting too long. The inside p1 lots that sold were to people who originally wanted a view lot and didn’t even want to wait for phase 2.

 
It is, they don't want people waiting for the larger lots. They want things getting sold. Options paralyze people. And I can assure you the prequal list is well over 80

The wait list is definitely north of 80 but there are a lot of buyers on there that are focusing on either a view lot or a larger lot so if they don't get one of those lots they are out.

They may talk like it but when it comes time to it I don’t think most people will be that die hard committed to the view. They’ll take what’s available. I suppose it depends on their specific situation.

The one buyer that I registered is only looking to buy a view lot, it's view lot or bust.  My other buyers actually don't want to pay the premium for a view lot and are open to almost any lot with one wanting a larger lot so yes it all depends on the buyer.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 16, 2020, 09:22:51 AM
If you look at the full site map or lot map with the sizes you’ll see there’s some good sized ones in those grayed out areas

I see. So, people are potentially waiting beyond phase 7.

Yes.  However, imagine 0.5% increase per phase.  That’s $10k increase per phase.  By phase 10, that’s $100k more.  Before lot premium.  Genoa has $100k lot premiums.  Potentially, you could be paying $200k more for these bigger lots but then.

That seems like a very aggressive price hike per phase and they may not be able to keep up the interest. I still find there is a little more hype than substance for this community. Like you guys said, 2 car garages and really tiny lots. But people are probably impressed with the model homes. Once you are itching to add more and more options, it will quickly ballooned.

That may be true if Shea didn't start out the initial pricing fairly low (around $420/sf) if you compare it to closed resale comps in The Groves.  Shea did the same thing with Padova where they started the base price fairly low and then increased it every phase. They are looking to build momentum for the development plus their design center upgrade costs are higher than other builders so they make up for the lower base price on upgrades as well.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on September 16, 2020, 09:27:20 AM
but also they have to compensate a bit for incredibly small lots. 4200 sqft home with a 5100 sq ft lot, crazy unless thats normal in Irvine
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 16, 2020, 09:33:06 AM
but also they have to compensate a bit for incredibly small lots. 4200 sqft home with a 5100 sq ft lot, crazy unless thats normal in Irvine

You would think that but there have been half a dozen larger Grove resale homes with 4,750sf to 6,000sf lots that closed in the high $400s to low $500s per square foot in the past 6 months so I stand by my belief that Shea underpriced their Cetara homes for Phase 1.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on September 16, 2020, 11:17:20 AM
Do you think they underprice the view lots or just the interior lots?
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Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 16, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?

Two of mine were called for phase 1, passing so they can be first called on phase 2

Can you share when you registered these two clients? This will help me (and others I'm sure) get a better sense of where we are on the list.

It’s not when you register at their sales office it’s when you do the prequal with their lender. The prequal apps opened the first sat of Aug. 9th or 10th at 10am. I have people who did their apps that day and were not called for phase 1.
I posted it on here before hand to warn people to get their prequals done.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 16, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
Do you think they underprice the view lots or just the interior lots?

Their view lots are well priced also
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 16, 2020, 12:33:07 PM
Do you think they underprice the view lots or just the interior lots?

The interior lots for sure are very fairly priced compared to comps. Their view lot premiums are well within the normal range of 15-20% of the base price which makes the total price of the view lot attractive (because of the lower base price). They can go to $2m on the base price on Plan 1 and that would put the price at $482/sf which is well within the closed comp range in The Groves.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Movingup on September 16, 2020, 01:37:51 PM
Do you think they underprice the view lots or just the interior lots?

The interior lots for sure are very fairly priced compared to comps. Their view lot premiums are well within the normal range of 15-20% of the base price which makes the total price of the view lot attractive (because of the lower base price). They can go to $2m on the base price on Plan 1 and that would put the price at $482/sf which is well within the closed comp range in The Groves.

But after upgrades and landscape, it will more than likely>$500/sf.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on September 16, 2020, 02:16:52 PM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?

Two of mine were called for phase 1, passing so they can be first called on phase 2

Can you share when you registered these two clients? This will help me (and others I'm sure) get a better sense of where we are on the list.

It’s not when you register at their sales office it’s when you do the prequal with their lender. The prequal apps opened the first sat of Aug. 9th or 10th at 10am. I have people who did their apps that day and were not called for phase 1.
I posted it on here before hand to warn people to get their prequals done.

It would still be helpful to know for those of us that are cash buyers, would it not? Were your clients that got called registered and/or prequalified on the day it opened?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 16, 2020, 02:29:26 PM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?

Two of mine were called for phase 1, passing so they can be first called on phase 2

Can you share when you registered these two clients? This will help me (and others I'm sure) get a better sense of where we are on the list.

It’s not when you register at their sales office it’s when you do the prequal with their lender. The prequal apps opened the first sat of Aug. 9th or 10th at 10am. I have people who did their apps that day and were not called for phase 1.
I posted it on here before hand to warn people to get their prequals done.

It would still be helpful to know for those of us that are cash buyers, would it not? Were your clients that got called registered and/or prequalified on the day it opened?

Cash buyers go on the same prequalified list. You don't cut the line. Well you do go ahead of contingent financed buyers that registered that same day. Don't think cash buyers are guaranteed a view lot or early phase home at all.
Yes my people that were called for phase 1 registered in the morning when the apps opened. Clients that were not called also registered the same day and they are also cash or non contingent.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 16, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
Do you think they underprice the view lots or just the interior lots?

The interior lots for sure are very fairly priced compared to comps. Their view lot premiums are well within the normal range of 15-20% of the base price which makes the total price of the view lot attractive (because of the lower base price). They can go to $2m on the base price on Plan 1 and that would put the price at $482/sf which is well within the closed comp range in The Groves.

But after upgrades and landscape, it will more than likely>$500/sf.

Yup, just depends on the dollar amount of upgrades that the buyers decide that want to put in the home.  At minimum I'd expect Cetara buyers to put 4-5% of the purchase price through the builder and some additional upgrades after closing, including landscaping. There have a been a few smaller lot resales close in the low $500s. That $2m base price probably wouldn't happen until Phase 7 or beyond which would be well into next year.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on September 16, 2020, 02:59:52 PM
Does anyone on this forum or your client actually get one of the houses in Phase 1 release?

Two of mine were called for phase 1, passing so they can be first called on phase 2

Can you share when you registered these two clients? This will help me (and others I'm sure) get a better sense of where we are on the list.

It’s not when you register at their sales office it’s when you do the prequal with their lender. The prequal apps opened the first sat of Aug. 9th or 10th at 10am. I have people who did their apps that day and were not called for phase 1.
I posted it on here before hand to warn people to get their prequals done.

It would still be helpful to know for those of us that are cash buyers, would it not? Were your clients that got called registered and/or prequalified on the day it opened?

Cash buyers go on the same prequalified list. You don't cut the line. Well you do go ahead of contingent financed buyers that registered that same day. Don't think cash buyers are guaranteed a view lot or early phase home at all.
Yes my people that were called for phase 1 registered in the morning when the apps opened. Clients that were not called also registered the same day and they are also cash or non contingent.

Thanks, this is helpful. I registered the day after the models officially opened so looks like I won't be called for a while. Will likely drop out by then if prices increase too much.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on September 17, 2020, 07:37:43 AM
I thought refrigerators are typically included with homes?  My friend is saying that it is not with Cetara and you have to buy it.  The cheapest fridge is $7k GE 48” option. Is it better just to buy it after the fact?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on September 17, 2020, 08:56:07 AM
I thought refrigerators are typically included with homes?  My friend is saying that it is not with Cetara and you have to buy it.  The cheapest fridge is $7k GE 48” option. Is it better just to buy it after the fact?

It's an option on most new builds that I've seen. When I've priced them out separately, it always seems to be more or not worth the hassle to do. I think the lower end options on cetara are quite reasonably priced actually.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: akkord on September 17, 2020, 08:59:34 AM
Built-in fridge go with the builder in case there are issues with the fridge or cabinets around it, counter-depth buy when you move in.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 17, 2020, 09:42:59 AM
I thought refrigerators are typically included with homes?  My friend is saying that it is not with Cetara and you have to buy it.  The cheapest fridge is $7k GE 48” option. Is it better just to buy it after the fact?

Refrigerators are typically not included with new homes.  The only builder that I could think of that included built-in refrigerators was Lennar over at The Great Park.  It's generally cheaper to buy built-in refrigerators after closing than through the builder.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 17, 2020, 11:40:07 AM
Actually, $7k for a GE that is 48" is cheaper than buying outside.  Not a bad price.  But I don't know if GEs are great refrigerators as I have not had experience with it. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: bones on September 17, 2020, 11:48:52 AM
You can also ask them to sell you the fridge outside of the design center options so it doesn't get rolled into tax base.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on September 17, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
I thought refrigerators are typically included with homes?  My friend is saying that it is not with Cetara and you have to buy it.  The cheapest fridge is $7k GE 48” option. Is it better just to buy it after the fact?

Refrigerators are typically not included with new homes.  The only builder that I could think of that included built-in refrigerators was Lennar over at The Great Park.  It's generally cheaper to buy built-in refrigerators after closing than through the builder.

What appliances are generally included with new homes?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 17, 2020, 12:18:59 PM
I thought refrigerators are typically included with homes?  My friend is saying that it is not with Cetara and you have to buy it.  The cheapest fridge is $7k GE 48” option. Is it better just to buy it after the fact?

Refrigerators are typically not included with new homes.  The only builder that I could think of that included built-in refrigerators was Lennar over at The Great Park.  It's generally cheaper to buy built-in refrigerators after closing than through the builder.

What appliances are generally included with new homes?

Range/cooktop, microwave, and dishwasher. Refrigerator, washer, and dryer are generally not included in the base price.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: akkord on September 17, 2020, 12:43:14 PM
You can also ask them to sell you the fridge outside of the design center options so it doesn't get rolled into tax base.

Has this worked for you?  I've asked this too in the past and they've always said no. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: bones on September 17, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
You can also ask them to sell you the fridge outside of the design center options so it doesn't get rolled into tax base.

Has this worked for you?  I've asked this too in the past and they've always said no. 

Yup. Twice!
I mean it’s not a big deal in terms of tax base but when you’re getting gouged left and right at the design center, it’s nice to leave with a victory - even if it’s a minor one. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 17, 2020, 01:32:38 PM
I thought refrigerators are typically included with homes?  My friend is saying that it is not with Cetara and you have to buy it.  The cheapest fridge is $7k GE 48” option. Is it better just to buy it after the fact?

Refrigerators are typically not included with new homes.  The only builder that I could think of that included built-in refrigerators was Lennar over at The Great Park.  It's generally cheaper to buy built-in refrigerators after closing than through the builder.

What appliances are generally included with new homes?

Depends on the builder and collection, even completion status
Of the home. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: misme on September 17, 2020, 01:45:24 PM
I thought refrigerators are typically included with homes?  My friend is saying that it is not with Cetara and you have to buy it.  The cheapest fridge is $7k GE 48” option. Is it better just to buy it after the fact?

is that 7K for a 48 inch built in? If so, that's a great deal.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: akkord on September 17, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
You can also ask them to sell you the fridge outside of the design center options so it doesn't get rolled into tax base.

Has this worked for you?  I've asked this too in the past and they've always said no. 

Yup. Twice!
I mean it’s not a big deal in terms of tax base but when you’re getting gouged left and right at the design center, it’s nice to leave with a victory - even if it’s a minor one.

Good to know, maybe it depends on builder or some designers are more flexible than others. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on September 19, 2020, 01:18:22 PM
I thought refrigerators are typically included with homes?  My friend is saying that it is not with Cetara and you have to buy it.  The cheapest fridge is $7k GE 48” option. Is it better just to buy it after the fact?

Refrigerators are typically not included with new homes.  The only builder that I could think of that included built-in refrigerators was Lennar over at The Great Park.  It's generally cheaper to buy built-in refrigerators after closing than through the builder.

What appliances are generally included with new homes?

Depends on the builder and collection, even completion status
Of the home.

I already did their preapproval but have not gone to see the models. Can you check me this weekend?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on September 19, 2020, 02:52:48 PM
I thought refrigerators are typically included with homes?  My friend is saying that it is not with Cetara and you have to buy it.  The cheapest fridge is $7k GE 48%u201D option. Is it better just to buy it after the fact?

is that 7K for a 48 inch built in? If so, that's a great deal.

Yes built in.  Great prices on GE fridges.  But what I don't understand is why their Subzero fridges are priced above MSRP?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on September 23, 2020, 02:15:37 PM
any word on the 2nd phase?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: talkirvine on September 23, 2020, 02:57:30 PM
any word on the 2nd phase?

I am on their non-contingent list, and I am not called.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 23, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
I was told around 3 more weeks.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 26, 2020, 11:33:28 AM
I finally had a chance to see the model homes. I was really impressed, especially with plan 2.  Love the modern feel with the high ceilings. Definitely different. I can see these selling out fast.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 27, 2020, 11:19:27 PM
OCT 3 for more accurate p2 release

Please note; I had a phone call with someone today who thought they didn't have to get on the priority list because they are a cash buyer. This is NOT the case. Homes from builder always first go to priority list people whether they are financed or cash. When you see available homes in a new neighborhood its because the priority list ran out or no one on the list wants the lots you see available. It is highly unlikely Cetara will ever have standing inventory available to someone not on their list, at least not for the desirable lots. There is no commitment or anything to pay to get on their list so do so if you think you'll be interested in a home even if you think your timeline is far down the road.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Vaqueros on September 28, 2020, 02:17:44 AM
Is OCT 3 the day they start calling those on the priority list?
 
Or is it only the day they release info about phase2 and then another week out is when they start calling and taking deposits?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 28, 2020, 01:24:09 PM
Is OCT 3 the day they start calling those on the priority list?
 
Or is it only the day they release info about phase2 and then another week out is when they start calling and taking deposits?

The builder will email everyone on the waitlist about the phase release ahead of time letting buyers know when they will be contacting buyers about the lots in the next phase release. Buyers will have to decide quickly whether they will select a lot or pass to wait for another one.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on September 29, 2020, 02:05:08 PM
Looks like they'll start calling Saturday at 10am again. Prices are up $10k on interior lots (model 3 the same but smaller backyard than in phase 1). View lots up considerably as they've pre-selected some upgrades.

Estimated move-in June/July 2021

Lot 51: $1.765
Lot 52: $1.78
Lot 53: $1.82
Lot 71: $2,194,720 Includes: Opt Stacking Sliding Glass Door and Fixed Glass Window Wall Above (As shown in Model)
Lot 72: $2,227,995 Includes: Opt Deck at Master Bedroom
Lot 73: $2,194,720 Includes: Opt Stacking Sliding Glass Door and Fixed Glass Window Wall Above (As shown in Model)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: E on September 29, 2020, 03:07:30 PM
Looks like they'll start calling Saturday at 10am again. Prices are up $10k on interior lots (model 3 the same but smaller backyard than in phase 1). View lots up considerably as they've pre-selected some upgrades.

Estimated move-in June/July 2021

Lot 51: $1.765
Lot 52: $1.78
Lot 53: $1.82
Lot 71: $2,194,720 Includes: Opt Stacking Sliding Glass Door and Fixed Glass Window Wall Above (As shown in Model)
Lot 72: $2,227,995 Includes: Opt Deck at Master Bedroom
Lot 73: $2,194,720 Includes: Opt Stacking Sliding Glass Door and Fixed Glass Window Wall Above (As shown in Model)

$2.2m+ just to get you 11’ - 15’ from the glass wall...ppl would be looking at the Cetara view lot homes like some aquariums. It’s only phase 2 and I’m having second thoughts😂
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 29, 2020, 03:24:58 PM
Looks like they'll start calling Saturday at 10am again. Prices are up $10k on interior lots (model 3 the same but smaller backyard than in phase 1). View lots up considerably as they've pre-selected some upgrades.

Estimated move-in June/July 2021

Lot 51: $1.765
Lot 52: $1.78
Lot 53: $1.82
Lot 71: $2,194,720 Includes: Opt Stacking Sliding Glass Door and Fixed Glass Window Wall Above (As shown in Model)
Lot 72: $2,227,995 Includes: Opt Deck at Master Bedroom
Lot 73: $2,194,720 Includes: Opt Stacking Sliding Glass Door and Fixed Glass Window Wall Above (As shown in Model)

$2.2m+ just to get you 11’ - 15’ from the glass wall...ppl would be looking at the Cetara view lot homes like some aquariums. It’s only phase 2 and I’m having second thoughts😂

They know that are dozens of buyers who are only interested in the view lots so they'll keep bumping up the view lot premiums as they move forward.  Looks like the view lot premiums are around $400k so they may end up around $500k with the last view lots. And as I predicted, they'll increase the base prices 0.50% to 1.00% for each phase as long as they have a good waitlist of buyers.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on September 29, 2020, 03:31:46 PM
Still looks very well priced to me. Better than anything with a view on resell market. Plus the price increase includes options I and probably most people are going to get anyways.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 29, 2020, 03:33:37 PM
Still looks very well priced to me. Better than anything with a view on resell market. Plus the price increase includes options I and probably most people are going to get anyways.

Agreed, most of the view lot buyers aren't going to be discouraged from buying and the builder knows this. They'll sell all of the view lots the same day that they are released.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on September 29, 2020, 04:07:30 PM
Yes still great pricing and these will appreciate very well. I think two of my clients raised their eyebrows but most are unfazed. Still fingers  crossed for those who got on the call list late.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on September 29, 2020, 04:30:46 PM
Still looks very well priced to me. Better than anything with a view on resell market. Plus the price increase includes options I and probably most people are going to get anyways.

Agreed, most of the view lot buyers aren't going to be discouraged from buying and the builder knows this. They'll sell all of the view lots the same day that they are released.


Just trying to understand, theres barely any space in the back yard. I'm on the interest list and love cetara but now having reservations about the lack of backyard space
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Movingup on September 29, 2020, 04:46:35 PM
For me, it's both the lack of back yard and the 2 car garages that is holding me back. Most people use part of their garage for storage. So, space for 1 car. If you have a longer driveway, that may work. But these driveways barely fits the length of a car. It's pretty disappointing. But again, new house with a "view", it's still going to sell I guess.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on September 29, 2020, 05:09:16 PM
Still looks very well priced to me. Better than anything with a view on resell market. Plus the price increase includes options I and probably most people are going to get anyways.

Agreed, most of the view lot buyers aren't going to be discouraged from buying and the builder knows this. They'll sell all of the view lots the same day that they are released.


Just trying to understand, theres barely any space in the back yard. I'm on the interest list and love cetara but now having reservations about the lack of backyard space

Is there at least 10 feet from the house to the wall?

This setback 10 feet is normal for this part of the grove.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: talkirvine on September 29, 2020, 05:13:09 PM
If there is a side yard, then 10' backyard setback is not that bad.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 29, 2020, 05:13:52 PM
Still looks very well priced to me. Better than anything with a view on resell market. Plus the price increase includes options I and probably most people are going to get anyways.

Agreed, most of the view lot buyers aren't going to be discouraged from buying and the builder knows this. They'll sell all of the view lots the same day that they are released.


Just trying to understand, theres barely any space in the back yard. I'm on the interest list and love cetara but now having reservations about the lack of backyard space

Is there at least 10 feet from the house to the wall?

This setback 10 feet is normal for this part of the grove.

I think plan1 setback from the CA room to the wall is 5’ but the other side is probably 15’ setback.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: qwerty on September 29, 2020, 05:16:35 PM
If there is a side yard, then 10' backyard setback is not that bad.

Under any scenario a 10 foot backyard is horrible.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 29, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
Still looks very well priced to me. Better than anything with a view on resell market. Plus the price increase includes options I and probably most people are going to get anyways.

They added the cost of options to the price.  If you remove the options, it’s a $390k view lot premium over the interior lots.  I believe it was $350k view lot premium previously.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on September 29, 2020, 05:25:23 PM
If there is a side yard, then 10' backyard setback is not that bad.

Under any scenario a 10 foot backyard is horrible.

The Irvine Co. and land owners have brained wash us. No need for backyard since we only pay attention to the eye candies inside of the house during the tour. And it’s by design that the model home would never have any home build behind them. That is saved for the very last phase.

After you moved in and live there for sometimes, then you clearly see your neighbors clothing options walking around inside of their house, only then you realized that geez my house is too close to my neighbors.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: GoatGeneral on September 29, 2020, 09:56:39 PM
The plans are great but I'm out due to the small lots. If you aren't really going to spend much time in the yard, then I could see the appeal. For those prices, I'd rather get a yard and a view and a driveway and some space between neighbors elsewhere even though I'll miss out on the neat floorplan and "new" home.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on September 29, 2020, 10:42:10 PM
The plans are great but I'm out due to the small lots. If you aren't really going to spend much time in the yard, then I could see the appeal. For those prices, I'd rather get a yard and a view and a driveway and some space between neighbors elsewhere even though I'll miss out on the neat floorplan and "new" home.

Quail hill or turtle ridge are options but not sure price wise they align.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on September 29, 2020, 10:45:33 PM
The plans are great but I'm out due to the small lots. If you aren't really going to spend much time in the yard, then I could see the appeal. For those prices, I'd rather get a yard and a view and a driveway and some space between neighbors elsewhere even though I'll miss out on the neat floorplan and "new" home.

All that at these prices? I’m sorry you must have meant to join the Talk Riverside forum   
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 29, 2020, 11:16:01 PM
The plans are great but I'm out due to the small lots. If you aren't really going to spend much time in the yard, then I could see the appeal. For those prices, I'd rather get a yard and a view and a driveway and some space between neighbors elsewhere even though I'll miss out on the neat floorplan and "new" home.

Quail hill or turtle ridge are options but not sure price wise they align.

Speaking of Quail Hill, this is one of my favorite homes (corner view lot single story home with a pool)...

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/10-Dreamlight-92603/home/5929516
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: GoatGeneral on September 30, 2020, 08:17:54 AM
All that at these prices? I’m sorry you must have meant to join the Talk Riverside forum

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/18801-Via-Palatino-92603/home/4739573
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on September 30, 2020, 09:23:13 AM
All that at these prices? I’m sorry you must have meant to join the Talk Riverside forum

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/18801-Via-Palatino-92603/home/4739573

Not a comp bro. Only 2900 square ft and it looks with with the slopes and set back the backyard is tiny. No wonder it’s been on market so long.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: GoatGeneral on September 30, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
It is a matter of pros and cons for a given price.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: GoatGeneral on September 30, 2020, 09:44:02 AM
Up the budget and there is this. No Mello Roos so the price difference might not be as big as it seems.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/18671-Via-Palatino-92603/home/4738403
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on September 30, 2020, 09:56:19 AM
Pool takes up most of the backyard and Old house. Mello Roos are not that much, that house would be out of budget for some cetara buyers, but I can see why that one is sold.

My (accurate) point is you can’t expect to  get all those things in the low 2s in Irvine. If you move quickly on a good deal if you’re lucky you can get it for high 2s. More likely low 3s.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on September 30, 2020, 10:18:09 AM
The plans are great but I'm out due to the small lots. If you aren't really going to spend much time in the yard, then I could see the appeal. For those prices, I'd rather get a yard and a view and a driveway and some space between neighbors elsewhere even though I'll miss out on the neat floorplan and "new" home.

Quail hill or turtle ridge are options but not sure price wise they align.

Speaking of Quail Hill, this is one of my favorite homes (corner view lot single story home with a pool)...

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/10-Dreamlight-92603/home/5929516

Yes, this one is one of my favorite. Good lot size, good location, tasteful upgrade inside and out. Only bank allow me to add one more to my portfolio. I don’t want to sell to buy.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: GoatGeneral on September 30, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
I think that yard, even taken up by the pool, affords more space and privacy than Cetara. Yes, it is old, but it also has a 3 car wide garage and is on a cul de sac and is south of the 405. It is not in a gated neighborhood like Cetara though. That said, I have no doubt Cetara will continue to sell well. The builders have done their homework on how to extract the most profit. It just isn't a trade off that I am willing to make.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Movingup on September 30, 2020, 11:14:29 AM
Pool takes up most of the backyard and Old house. Mello Roos are not that much, that house would be out of budget for some cetara buyers, but I can see why that one is sold.

My (accurate) point is you can’t expect to  get all those things in the low 2s in Irvine. If you move quickly on a good deal if you’re lucky you can get it for high 2s. More likely low 3s.

Cetara is not going to be low 2s for the view lots when you did all the upgrades, shutters, draperies, landscaping, etc(easily more than mid 2s). You can't do a pool if you want to.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: hamilton on September 30, 2020, 11:33:22 AM
The plans are great but I'm out due to the small lots. If you aren't really going to spend much time in the yard, then I could see the appeal. For those prices, I'd rather get a yard and a view and a driveway and some space between neighbors elsewhere even though I'll miss out on the neat floorplan and "new" home.

Quail hill or turtle ridge are options but not sure price wise they align.

Speaking of Quail Hill, this is one of my favorite homes (corner view lot single story home with a pool)...

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/10-Dreamlight-92603/home/5929516

3000sqft home with no room for an actual dining table?? Some of these Quail Hill home layouts are so odd....
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on September 30, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
That quail hill home looks like it belongs on the wtf thread to me
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irviniteeee on September 30, 2020, 11:52:22 AM
The plans are great but I'm out due to the small lots. If you aren't really going to spend much time in the yard, then I could see the appeal. For those prices, I'd rather get a yard and a view and a driveway and some space between neighbors elsewhere even though I'll miss out on the neat floorplan and "new" home.

Quail hill or turtle ridge are options but not sure price wise they align.

Speaking of Quail Hill, this is one of my favorite homes (corner view lot single story home with a pool)...

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/10-Dreamlight-92603/home/5929516

3000sqft home with no room for an actual dining table?? Some of these Quail Hill home layouts are so odd....

There is a formal dining room in that plan, but it looks like they chose to set it up as a children's playroom of some sort.

This is the dining room:

(https://ssl.cdn-redfin.com/photo/45/bigphoto/774/OC20162774_29_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on October 02, 2020, 01:26:31 PM
I am curious who on the forum is still trying to buy Cetara view lot despite the price increases?  Or is everyone going for a non view lot now?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: E on October 02, 2020, 02:01:52 PM
I am curious who on the forum is still trying to buy Cetara view lot despite the price increases?  Or is everyone going for a non view lot now?

The “view” would be similar to this, except probably even worse https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/238-Oceano-92620/home/147983533?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irviniteeee on October 02, 2020, 03:16:02 PM
I am curious who on the forum is still trying to buy Cetara view lot despite the price increases?  Or is everyone going for a non view lot now?

The “view” would be similar to this, except probably even worse https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/238-Oceano-92620/home/147983533?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link

I love how the 14th photo used is of Bommer Canyon which is nowhere near OH. :D
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on October 03, 2020, 09:49:56 AM
Let the games begin. Good luck to all that want in on Phase 2!
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on October 03, 2020, 12:55:06 PM
They had to call a little over 30 people this time to sell all the lots. Congrats to my clients who got the plan 2 view lot and one of the interior lots. Best of luck to the ones who passed for the next phase. Best of luck to those still waiting for a call. Never despair, people drop out due to price increases or buying elsewhere not wanting to wait. You still have a chance.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on October 03, 2020, 01:05:21 PM
They had to call a little over 30 people this time to sell all the lots. Congrats to my clients who got the plan 2 view lot and one of the interior lots. Best of luck to the ones who passed for the next phase. Best of luck to those still waiting for a call. Never despair, people drop out due to price increases or buying elsewhere not wanting to wait. You still have a chance.

They are willing to share this information with you?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on October 03, 2020, 02:08:05 PM
They had to call a little over 30 people this time to sell all the lots. Congrats to my clients who got the plan 2 view lot and one of the interior lots. Best of luck to the ones who passed for the next phase. Best of luck to those still waiting for a call. Never despair, people drop out due to price increases or buying elsewhere not wanting to wait. You still have a chance.

They are willing to share this information with you?

Im just so charismatic
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: E on October 03, 2020, 02:36:15 PM
They had to call a little over 30 people this time to sell all the lots. Congrats to my clients who got the plan 2 view lot and one of the interior lots. Best of luck to the ones who passed for the next phase. Best of luck to those still waiting for a call. Never despair, people drop out due to price increases or buying elsewhere not wanting to wait. You still have a chance.

They are willing to share this information with you?

Im just so charismatic

Lol. I’m guessing you have a lot of buyers on that list so you have a vested interest in promoting for them. They also count on you to help with the sales. A little info goes a long way. I certainly don’t mind you sharing them ;)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on October 03, 2020, 02:56:36 PM
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Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Movingup on October 03, 2020, 03:00:55 PM
They had to call a little over 30 people this time to sell all the lots. Congrats to my clients who got the plan 2 view lot and one of the interior lots. Best of luck to the ones who passed for the next phase. Best of luck to those still waiting for a call. Never despair, people drop out due to price increases or buying elsewhere not wanting to wait. You still have a chance.

Would you say a lot of people defer to future phases? I am just trying to gauge how many on the list are still serious.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on October 04, 2020, 07:16:28 PM
They had to call a little over 30 people this time to sell all the lots. Congrats to my clients who got the plan 2 view lot and one of the interior lots. Best of luck to the ones who passed for the next phase. Best of luck to those still waiting for a call. Never despair, people drop out due to price increases or buying elsewhere not wanting to wait. You still have a chance.

If true and with continued base price bumps, should thin out the buyer pool especially for interior lots as we continue moving forward.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on October 04, 2020, 08:47:19 PM
I’d think that the $10k increase in base price interior lots aren’t that big of a deterrent.  It’s the $50k increase for the view lots that would deter buyers.  But these are the last view lots at the Groves so Shea will push.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on October 04, 2020, 08:51:40 PM
I’d think that the $10k increase in base price interior lots aren’t that big of a deterrent.  It’s the $50k increase for the view lots that would deter buyers.  But these are the last view lots at the Groves so Shea will push.

Individually no, but $10k+ base price releases per phase x 7 phase releases can become material to some non-view lot buyers. My guess is that the last view lots (which I think have larger lots) will probably have lot premiums around $500k +/-.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on October 04, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
I’d think that the $10k increase in base price interior lots aren’t that big of a deterrent.  It’s the $50k increase for the view lots that would deter buyers.  But these are the last view lots at the Groves so Shea will push.

Individually no, but $10k+ base price releases per phase x 7 phase releases can become material to some non-view lot buyers. My guess is that the last view lots (which I think have larger lots) will probably have lot premiums around $500k +/-.

Wow, that'll def knock me out for sure. I wonder what the bigger interior lots will go for...
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on October 04, 2020, 11:19:06 PM
I’d think that the $10k increase in base price interior lots aren’t that big of a deterrent.  It’s the $50k increase for the view lots that would deter buyers.  But these are the last view lots at the Groves so Shea will push.

Individually no, but $10k+ base price releases per phase x 7 phase releases can become material to some non-view lot buyers. My guess is that the last view lots (which I think have larger lots) will probably have lot premiums around $500k +/-.

Wow, that'll def knock me out for sure. I wonder what the bigger interior lots will go for...

The bigger lots are in phase 11+.  If they keep increasing the interior lots by $10k/phase, it will be over $100k before the lot premium.  Not sure people would pay $2m for a non view lot would they?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on October 05, 2020, 07:59:47 AM
I’d think that the $10k increase in base price interior lots aren’t that big of a deterrent.  It’s the $50k increase for the view lots that would deter buyers.  But these are the last view lots at the Groves so Shea will push.

Individually no, but $10k+ base price releases per phase x 7 phase releases can become material to some non-view lot buyers. My guess is that the last view lots (which I think have larger lots) will probably have lot premiums around $500k +/-.

Wow, that'll def knock me out for sure. I wonder what the bigger interior lots will go for...

Larger lots can have lot premiums of $50k-$100k+ (depending on the side of the lot and if it's a corner lot).
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: talkirvine on October 05, 2020, 09:53:55 AM
I’d think that the $10k increase in base price interior lots aren’t that big of a deterrent.  It’s the $50k increase for the view lots that would deter buyers.  But these are the last view lots at the Groves so Shea will push.

Individually no, but $10k+ base price releases per phase x 7 phase releases can become material to some non-view lot buyers. My guess is that the last view lots (which I think have larger lots) will probably have lot premiums around $500k +/-.

Wow, that'll def knock me out for sure. I wonder what the bigger interior lots will go for...

Larger lots can have lot premiums of $50k-$100k+ (depending on the side of the lot and if it's a corner lot).

What size of lots have the premium of $50k-$100k? The premium of a 7.5k sqft lot in Altair is about $150k, and for a +10k lot with a side view, the premium is $300k-$500k.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: talkirvine on October 05, 2020, 09:54:24 AM
I’d think that the $10k increase in base price interior lots aren’t that big of a deterrent.  It’s the $50k increase for the view lots that would deter buyers.  But these are the last view lots at the Groves so Shea will push.

Individually no, but $10k+ base price releases per phase x 7 phase releases can become material to some non-view lot buyers. My guess is that the last view lots (which I think have larger lots) will probably have lot premiums around $500k +/-.

Wow, that'll def knock me out for sure. I wonder what the bigger interior lots will go for...

Larger lots can have lot premiums of $50k-$100k+ (depending on the side of the lot and if it's a corner lot).

What size of lots have the premium of $50k-$100k? Altair seems to have a higher lot premium. The premium of a 7.5k sqft lot in Altair is about $150k, and for a +10k lot with a side view, the premium is $300k-$500k.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on October 05, 2020, 11:10:51 AM
I took an interior lot (I'll refrain from disclosing which). Someone I know is also on the priority list and looking for a view lot only, so I asked about their chances. I was told "slim" chances given how many people were deferring in hopes of a view lot (my friend also got a call Saturday for an interior lot and deferred). This person and myself each registered the opening weekend of the models, so if what I was told holds to be true, then only those registered prior to the opening of the models will get view lots.

My guesses:

-The list will become significantly smaller after all view lots are gone.
-Many additional people will fall off the list after Phase 5 when the larger backyard lots are gone (I considered deferring for one but decided not to).
-I'm thinking there may be standing inventory by Phase 6 when most lots will be smaller and prices will be higher.

The lack of a yard and 3-car garage (or large storage) were big negatives for me, but the low $/sqft just makes this seem like a "deal" anyway. If you're looking for an interior lot, I think you have a good chance in the coming months.

Also my sense is that a lot of people are enamored with Plan 2, likely because of how it's modeled.

Good luck to everyone else that wants in.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on October 05, 2020, 03:28:41 PM
I’d think that the $10k increase in base price interior lots aren’t that big of a deterrent.  It’s the $50k increase for the view lots that would deter buyers.  But these are the last view lots at the Groves so Shea will push.

Individually no, but $10k+ base price releases per phase x 7 phase releases can become material to some non-view lot buyers. My guess is that the last view lots (which I think have larger lots) will probably have lot premiums around $500k +/-.

Wow, that'll def knock me out for sure. I wonder what the bigger interior lots will go for...

The bigger lots are in phase 11+.  If they keep increasing the interior lots by $10k/phase, it will be over $100k before the lot premium.  Not sure people would pay $2m for a non view lot would they?

i dont believe 11+...from what i recall, theres bigger lots in Phase 5+ at the end of the cul de sac
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on October 05, 2020, 03:32:21 PM
I took an interior lot (I'll refrain from disclosing which). Someone I know is also on the priority list and looking for a view lot only, so I asked about their chances. I was told "slim" chances given how many people were deferring in hopes of a view lot (my friend also got a call Saturday for an interior lot and deferred). This person and myself each registered the opening weekend of the models, so if what I was told holds to be true, then only those registered prior to the opening of the models will get view lots.

My guesses:

-The list will become significantly smaller after all view lots are gone.
-Many additional people will fall off the list after Phase 5 when the larger backyard lots are gone (I considered deferring for one but decided not to).
-I'm thinking there may be standing inventory by Phase 6 when most lots will be smaller and prices will be higher.

The lack of a yard and 3-car garage (or large storage) were big negatives for me, but the low $/sqft just makes this seem like a "deal" anyway. If you're looking for an interior lot, I think you have a good chance in the coming months.

Also my sense is that a lot of people are enamored with Plan 2, likely because of how it's modeled.

Good luck to everyone else that wants in.

Plan 2 has the higher ceilings but plan 1 has the office/bonus and that courtyard which is a nice touch and different than the rest of the generic floor plans. Plan 3 also has the bonus space on the first floor which I like but I wouldnt complain if i got a Plan 2, thats for sure. But the large window wont be as appealing when you have neighbor looking right in. Hard to picture that in the model with no neighboring homes
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on October 05, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
I’d think that the $10k increase in base price interior lots aren’t that big of a deterrent.  It’s the $50k increase for the view lots that would deter buyers.  But these are the last view lots at the Groves so Shea will push.

Individually no, but $10k+ base price releases per phase x 7 phase releases can become material to some non-view lot buyers. My guess is that the last view lots (which I think have larger lots) will probably have lot premiums around $500k +/-.

Wow, that'll def knock me out for sure. I wonder what the bigger interior lots will go for...

Larger lots can have lot premiums of $50k-$100k+ (depending on the side of the lot and if it's a corner lot).

What size of lots have the premium of $50k-$100k? The premium of a 7.5k sqft lot in Altair is about $150k, and for a +10k lot with a side view, the premium is $300k-$500k.

From what I’ve seen it were lots that were 1,000-2,000sf larger than an average sized lot in an SFR tract. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on October 05, 2020, 06:07:53 PM
They had to call a little over 30 people this time to sell all the lots. Congrats to my clients who got the plan 2 view lot and one of the interior lots. Best of luck to the ones who passed for the next phase. Best of luck to those still waiting for a call. Never despair, people drop out due to price increases or buying elsewhere not wanting to wait. You still have a chance.

They are willing to share this information with you?

Im just so charismatic

Lol. I’m guessing you have a lot of buyers on that list so you have a vested interest in promoting for them. They also count on you to help with the sales. A little info goes a long way. I certainly don’t mind you sharing them ;)

Hmm its probably more in my self interest to bad mouth them so people leave the list and my clients have less competition. I don't promote them I just like sharing what info I have and helping people. Thats whole point of this forum imo.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: ting3149 on October 10, 2020, 07:28:43 PM
Anyone who has the chance to pick one of the homes in Cetara and is willing to resell after, please contact me! I would like to offer extra money for a Plan 3! Thanks
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: talkirvine on October 11, 2020, 12:11:43 AM
Anyone who has the chance to pick one of the homes in Cetara and is willing to resell after, please contact me! I would like to offer extra money for a Plan 3! Thanks
WOW!
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: aquabliss on October 11, 2020, 12:24:50 AM
Anyone who has the chance to pick one of the homes in Cetara and is willing to resell after, please contact me! I would like to offer extra money for a Plan 3! Thanks

Maybe they can just sell you their spot for $10k.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on October 11, 2020, 09:46:18 AM
Anyone who has the chance to pick one of the homes in Cetara and is willing to resell after, please contact me! I would like to offer extra money for a Plan 3! Thanks

If you get on the list now, you will likely have a chance to buy in the later phases (and possibly earlier). Might be a better option for you.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Cares on October 12, 2020, 12:39:12 PM
I went to Cetara yesterday with a client and it was packed.

LOL there was also someone there asking if they paid in all cash if they can be first priority.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on October 12, 2020, 04:55:06 PM
I went to Cetara yesterday with a client and it was packed.

LOL there was also someone there asking if they paid in all cash if they can be first priority.

When you got cash, the sellers will quietly float you to the top.😀
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Cares on October 12, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
I went to Cetara yesterday with a client and it was packed.

LOL there was also someone there asking if they paid in all cash if they can be first priority.

When you got cash, the sellers will quietly float you to the top.😀

The person said to them it doesn't matter if it's cash or loan...but maybe he slipped her something under the table after I left :P
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on October 13, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
I went to Cetara yesterday with a client and it was packed.

LOL there was also someone there asking if they paid in all cash if they can be first priority.

When you got cash, the sellers will quietly float you to the top.😀

The person said to them it doesn't matter if it's cash or loan...but maybe he slipped her something under the table after I left :P

A little TIPS goes along way,,, there are a few ways to do it. Help if the sale lady is easy on the eyes as well.😀
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: ting3149 on October 13, 2020, 03:39:53 PM
Anyone who has the chance to pick one of the homes in Cetara and is willing to resell after, please contact me! I would like to offer extra money for a Plan 3! Thanks

Maybe they can just sell you their spot for $10k.

I'm happy to pay $10k for a spot. And I'm open to negotiate with anyone who wants to sell their spots.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on October 13, 2020, 03:53:36 PM
Do they allow you to sell reservations?

Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on October 13, 2020, 04:24:31 PM
No they don't. Leslie already dealt with this. She's quite the stickler and having none of it. You have to wait your turn in line.
Unofficially maybe if you have the exact same name as a cash buyer you can get away and sneak by.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on October 13, 2020, 04:58:50 PM
To get on the list you have to prequalified. That mean they have a minimum info and funds verified. So selling it to someone else is a no go as they got your name slotted.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on October 13, 2020, 07:24:59 PM
Do they allow you to sell reservations?



No builder will allow a buyer to sell a reservation, especially Shea Homes, so buyers have to follow the builder's ground rules. I think Toll Bros allowed buyers to move ahead of non-contingent financed buyers but not any other builder that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Cares on October 14, 2020, 03:23:17 PM
You maybe can get around it if you have a willing reservation holder go on title with you during the original purchase with the builder and then quit claim the property to you after close of escrow. You would probably need a lawyer to figure out the stuff in between.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on October 14, 2020, 03:39:46 PM
Geez sounds like so much work just to buy a home.  Does Shea offer gold with the purchase of Cetara?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on October 14, 2020, 06:30:04 PM
You maybe can get around it if you have a willing reservation holder go on title with you during the original purchase with the builder and then quit claim the property to you after close of escrow. You would probably need a lawyer to figure out the stuff in between.

That's assuming the original buyer bought it for cash and you'll still be hit with county trasnfer tax for recording a quit claim deed and transerring the property to a non-family member.

People need to take a deep breathe and relax. Get on the wait list and wait for your name to be called. Will you get a larger lot or view lot if you register now?  Probably not, but you'll have a decent chance of buying an interior lot if you are patient.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on October 14, 2020, 06:52:43 PM
You maybe can get around it if you have a willing reservation holder go on title with you during the original purchase with the builder and then quit claim the property to you after close of escrow. You would probably need a lawyer to figure out the stuff in between.

That's assuming the original buyer bought it for cash and you'll still be hit with county trasnfer tax for recording a quit claim deed and transerring the property to a non-family member.

People need to take a deep breathe and relax. Get on the wait list and wait for your name to be called. Will you get a larger lot or view lot if you register now?  Probably not, but you'll have a decent chance of buying an interior lot if you are patient.

Exactly. With attrition of the wait list, anyone can get a large lot in those later phases as long as you get your name on there and be patient.

Phase 3 early November btw.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on October 14, 2020, 06:54:11 PM
You maybe can get around it if you have a willing reservation holder go on title with you during the original purchase with the builder and then quit claim the property to you after close of escrow. You would probably need a lawyer to figure out the stuff in between.

That's assuming the original buyer bought it for cash and you'll still be hit with county trasnfer tax for recording a quit claim deed and transerring the property to a non-family member.

People need to take a deep breathe and relax. Get on the wait list and wait for your name to be called. Will you get a larger lot or view lot if you register now?  Probably not, but you'll have a decent chance of buying an interior lot if you are patient.

Is this getting close to irrational exuberant? Or are we there already?

There is always something else when you have those coins and a little time.

Is this one of a kind property? hardly.

Relax and enjoy the process, it might be in your favor after the election.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on October 14, 2020, 07:16:37 PM
You maybe can get around it if you have a willing reservation holder go on title with you during the original purchase with the builder and then quit claim the property to you after close of escrow. You would probably need a lawyer to figure out the stuff in between.

That's assuming the original buyer bought it for cash and you'll still be hit with county trasnfer tax for recording a quit claim deed and transerring the property to a non-family member.

People need to take a deep breathe and relax. Get on the wait list and wait for your name to be called. Will you get a larger lot or view lot if you register now?  Probably not, but you'll have a decent chance of buying an interior lot if you are patient.

Is this getting close to irrational exuberant? Or are we there already?

There is always something else when you have those coins and a little time.

Is this one of a kind property? hardly.

Relax and enjoy the process, it might be in your favor after the election.

There's a lot of low interest rate FOMO out there, that's for sure. So many buyers and multiple counter offer situations out there (for me on both sides) and some of the bidding is getting a little out of hand. Here are a few examples on the buy side for me....

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/11-Appleglen-Dr-92602/home/4794167
Was listed at $865,000 (they raised the price to $895k then put it on hold) and my buyer went $870,888...no dice, there were 8 offers on this one and we weren't even considered as a back-up buyer.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/24-Willowhurst-GN-92602/home/5814932
My buyer went $1,021,000 with no appraisal contingency with more than enough to cover an appraisal shortoff on this one...nope, they had 7 offers and the buyer they picked offered more.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Fountain-Valley/10215-Swallow-Ave-92708/home/3816508
My buyer bid $960,000 off the bat and then went $1,001,000 with no appraisal contingency with plenty of liquidity to cover....that wasn't enough, apparently an all cash buyer went higher and removed ALL contingncies day 1 including the inspection contingency.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on October 14, 2020, 08:08:02 PM
You maybe can get around it if you have a willing reservation holder go on title with you during the original purchase with the builder and then quit claim the property to you after close of escrow. You would probably need a lawyer to figure out the stuff in between.

That's assuming the original buyer bought it for cash and you'll still be hit with county trasnfer tax for recording a quit claim deed and transerring the property to a non-family member.

People need to take a deep breathe and relax. Get on the wait list and wait for your name to be called. Will you get a larger lot or view lot if you register now?  Probably not, but you'll have a decent chance of buying an interior lot if you are patient.

Is this getting close to irrational exuberant? Or are we there already?

There is always something else when you have those coins and a little time.

Is this one of a kind property? hardly.

Relax and enjoy the process, it might be in your favor after the election.

There's a lot of low interest rate FOMO out there, that's for sure. So many buyers and multiple counter offer situations out there (for me on both sides) and some of the bidding is getting a little out of hand. Here are a few examples on the buy side for me....

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/11-Appleglen-Dr-92602/home/4794167
Was listed at $865,000 (they raised the price to $895k then put it on hold) and my buyer went $870,888...no dice, there were 8 offers on this one and we weren't even considered as a back-up buyer.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/24-Willowhurst-GN-92602/home/5814932
My buyer went $1,021,000 with no appraisal contingency with more than enough to cover an appraisal shortoff on this one...nope, they had 7 offers and the buyer they picked offered more.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Fountain-Valley/10215-Swallow-Ave-92708/home/3816508
My buyer bid $960,000 off the bat and then went $1,001,000 with no appraisal contingency with plenty of liquidity to cover....that wasn't enough, apparently an all cash buyer went higher and removed ALL contingncies day 1 including the inspection contingency.

Amazing!!!  But FED say, they are not even thinking, about thinking, about thinking, thinking to raise rate. Four thinking of thinking is the next message comes out after next meeting.

For a second there, I thought and the FED had me believe that everything is going to be fine. :) :) :)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on October 15, 2020, 08:47:12 AM
You maybe can get around it if you have a willing reservation holder go on title with you during the original purchase with the builder and then quit claim the property to you after close of escrow. You would probably need a lawyer to figure out the stuff in between.

That's assuming the original buyer bought it for cash and you'll still be hit with county trasnfer tax for recording a quit claim deed and transerring the property to a non-family member.

People need to take a deep breathe and relax. Get on the wait list and wait for your name to be called. Will you get a larger lot or view lot if you register now?  Probably not, but you'll have a decent chance of buying an interior lot if you are patient.

Is this getting close to irrational exuberant? Or are we there already?

There is always something else when you have those coins and a little time.

Is this one of a kind property? hardly.

Relax and enjoy the process, it might be in your favor after the election.

There's a lot of low interest rate FOMO out there, that's for sure. So many buyers and multiple counter offer situations out there (for me on both sides) and some of the bidding is getting a little out of hand. Here are a few examples on the buy side for me....

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/11-Appleglen-Dr-92602/home/4794167
Was listed at $865,000 (they raised the price to $895k then put it on hold) and my buyer went $870,888...no dice, there were 8 offers on this one and we weren't even considered as a back-up buyer.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/24-Willowhurst-GN-92602/home/5814932
My buyer went $1,021,000 with no appraisal contingency with more than enough to cover an appraisal shortoff on this one...nope, they had 7 offers and the buyer they picked offered more.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Fountain-Valley/10215-Swallow-Ave-92708/home/3816508
My buyer bid $960,000 off the bat and then went $1,001,000 with no appraisal contingency with plenty of liquidity to cover....that wasn't enough, apparently an all cash buyer went higher and removed ALL contingncies day 1 including the inspection contingency.

seems to be properties under a million...how's it looking like with $1.5 and up?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on October 15, 2020, 09:32:52 AM
You maybe can get around it if you have a willing reservation holder go on title with you during the original purchase with the builder and then quit claim the property to you after close of escrow. You would probably need a lawyer to figure out the stuff in between.

That's assuming the original buyer bought it for cash and you'll still be hit with county trasnfer tax for recording a quit claim deed and transerring the property to a non-family member.

People need to take a deep breathe and relax. Get on the wait list and wait for your name to be called. Will you get a larger lot or view lot if you register now?  Probably not, but you'll have a decent chance of buying an interior lot if you are patient.

Is this getting close to irrational exuberant? Or are we there already?

There is always something else when you have those coins and a little time.

Is this one of a kind property? hardly.

Relax and enjoy the process, it might be in your favor after the election.

There's a lot of low interest rate FOMO out there, that's for sure. So many buyers and multiple counter offer situations out there (for me on both sides) and some of the bidding is getting a little out of hand. Here are a few examples on the buy side for me....

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/11-Appleglen-Dr-92602/home/4794167
Was listed at $865,000 (they raised the price to $895k then put it on hold) and my buyer went $870,888...no dice, there were 8 offers on this one and we weren't even considered as a back-up buyer.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/24-Willowhurst-GN-92602/home/5814932
My buyer went $1,021,000 with no appraisal contingency with more than enough to cover an appraisal shortoff on this one...nope, they had 7 offers and the buyer they picked offered more.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Fountain-Valley/10215-Swallow-Ave-92708/home/3816508
My buyer bid $960,000 off the bat and then went $1,001,000 with no appraisal contingency with plenty of liquidity to cover....that wasn't enough, apparently an all cash buyer went higher and removed ALL contingncies day 1 including the inspection contingency.

seems to be properties under a million...how's it looking like with $1.5 and up?

There is less craziness in the $1.5m+ market for sure (less buyers and much more inventory) but that market has improved in the past few months, this includes on the resale sides and on the new home side. Most of the buyers in the $1.5m+ market are move up buyers who are selling their homes around $1m. The stregnth in prices of the home that theses buyers own is giving them confidence to upgrade their homes.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Cares on October 15, 2020, 02:57:12 PM
I actually feel bad for my buyers that are in the entry level market. Homes in the $700-800k entry range are so competitive and are all going over asking. I had a buyer that put in an offer on an $800k listing in Torrance for $850k. Didn't even get a counter. They said they countered only 3 offers there were over $900k. It's crazy.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 01, 2020, 12:11:00 PM
Phase 3

Lot 54   2C   1,795,000
Lot 55   1B   1,775,000
Lot 56   3D   1,830,000

View Lots

Lot 68   1A   2,215,170 Includes several structural options
Lot 69   2D   2,249,720 Includes several structural options
Lot 70   3A   2,277,995 Includes several structural options
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on November 01, 2020, 12:29:00 PM
Phase 3

Lot 54   2C   1,795,000
Lot 55   1B   1,775,000
Lot 56   3D   1,830,000

View Lots

Lot 68   1A   2,215,170 Includes several structural options
Lot 69   2D   2,249,720 Includes several structural options
Lot 70   3A   2,277,995 Includes several structural options

So what did the view lot base price increase by from phase 2? (It was a $50k increase from phase 1 to phase 2)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on November 01, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Phase 3

Lot 54   2C   1,795,000
Lot 55   1B   1,775,000
Lot 56   3D   1,830,000

View Lots

Lot 68   1A   2,215,170 Includes several structural options
Lot 69   2D   2,249,720 Includes several structural options
Lot 70   3A   2,277,995 Includes several structural options

So what did the view lot base price increase by from phase 2? (It was a $50k increase from phase 1 to phase 2)

about 50-55k from Phase 2 depending on plan. There was no plan 1 in phase 2 though.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on November 01, 2020, 09:31:56 PM
I wonder if they sold out?  Jeez, so phase 3 view lots increased by $130k from phase 1 view lots.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 02, 2020, 12:35:49 AM
I wonder if they sold out?  Jeez, so phase 3 view lots increased by $130k from phase 1 view lots.

The builder knows that a good number of people on the waitlist (maybe even the majority) are waiting for a view lot so they'll keep raising the view lot premiums every phase to maximize profit. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on November 02, 2020, 08:58:28 AM
I wonder if they sold out?  Jeez, so phase 3 view lots increased by $130k from phase 1 view lots.

The builder knows that a good number of people on the waitlist (maybe even the majority) are waiting for a view lot so they'll keep raising the view lot premiums every phase to maximize profit.

its interesting because with these view lots, there isnt much space. its more like a back patio with a view.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on November 02, 2020, 09:14:04 AM
I wonder if they sold out?  Jeez, so phase 3 view lots increased by $130k from phase 1 view lots.

That’s just the pricing. The phase isn’t released for sale until nov 7.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on November 02, 2020, 01:53:19 PM
So are buyers still trying to buy these view lots or have the price caused a slow down?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on November 02, 2020, 03:13:01 PM
So are buyers still trying to buy these view lots or have the price caused a slow down?

no one knows. it hasnt gone on sale yet
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 02, 2020, 05:10:46 PM
So are buyers still trying to buy these view lots or have the price caused a slow down?

We'll know by this weekend.  I'm guessing that one of my contingent buyers who got on the list in early Sept may get a call for one of the interior lots in the next few phases.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: E on November 06, 2020, 06:56:18 AM
So are buyers still trying to buy these view lots or have the price caused a slow down?

I’m wondering if the recent fire in OH’s backyard would affect any potential buyers.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 06, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
So are buyers still trying to buy these view lots or have the price caused a slow down?

I’m wondering if the recent fire in OH’s backyard would affect any potential buyers.

Unlikely. We will see how many people they have to call tmr to sell all the lots. As usual the view lots will go to the first 3 people they call. Im guessing 45 calls for the infills.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Compressed-Village on November 06, 2020, 01:32:38 PM
So are buyers still trying to buy these view lots or have the price caused a slow down?


I%u2019m wondering if the recent fire in OH%u2019s backyard would affect any potential buyers.

Unlikely. We will see how many people they have to call tmr to sell all the lots. As usual the view lots will go to the first 3 people they call. Im guessing 45 calls for the infills.

The only way to take down Irvine housing is a dramatic rate increase. If that happen so will the rest of the world. Likely the apocalyptic, end of the world. I have associates, fleeing metro LA area to Irvine for safety and schools. My world sample is small but relevant.

Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Sidehussle on November 06, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
LA expats will bid up Irvine prices if there is a decent amount of migration. LA used to paying 600-900 per sq ft for dumps. Check out Pasadena and San Marino. If they trade they will think Irvine is a bargain and not hesitate to offer above ask for desirable properties
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on November 06, 2020, 11:35:37 PM
Only 3 more phases for view lots and all view lots will be sold out in OH Groves.  Better get them while you can.  Resale values will be much higher.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 07, 2020, 05:03:05 PM
Only 3 more phases for view lots and all view lots will be sold out in OH Groves.  Better get them while you can.  Resale values will be much higher.

Id put the view lots if they were built out today at 2.7-3 range.

Interesting buyer activity on phase 3. View Lots 70 and 69 went to the first two they called. Interior lots 54 and 55 actually sold pretty quickly and before view lot 68. 68 and 56 sat for a while.

Possible that if you want a view lot but prequalified late then lot 66 phase 4 might be yours. And of course there is the parking lot phase.


Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on November 07, 2020, 05:11:37 PM
Did all 6 lots eventually sell out?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 07, 2020, 06:13:38 PM
So are buyers still trying to buy these view lots or have the price caused a slow down?


I%u2019m wondering if the recent fire in OH%u2019s backyard would affect any potential buyers.

Unlikely. We will see how many people they have to call tmr to sell all the lots. As usual the view lots will go to the first 3 people they call. Im guessing 45 calls for the infills.

The only way to take down Irvine housing is a dramatic rate increase. If that happen so will the rest of the world. Likely the apocalyptic, end of the world. I have associates, fleeing metro LA area to Irvine for safety and schools. My world sample is small but relevant.



Rates aren't going above 3% anytime soon and may be go a bit lower especially now that we didn't get a blue wave. No material federal tax increases and any stimulus packages will be somewhat limited by cocaine Mitch's Senate which means more Fed $$$ pumped into the system for longer.

I've had been working with half a dozen LA county residents who wanted to buy in Irvine this year to get out of LA (crappy public schools, horrible traffic, super expensive real estate, and more and more homeless) compared to 1 or 2 a year before 2020. The work from home trend has allowed these buyers to pull the trigger on buying a home in Irvine.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 07, 2020, 06:15:02 PM
LA expats will bid up Irvine prices if there is a decent amount of migration. LA used to paying 600-900 per sq ft for dumps. Check out Pasadena and San Marino. If they trade they will think Irvine is a bargain and not hesitate to offer above ask for desirable properties

And even higher if you are West of the 405. Irvine real estate isn't as high as people think compared to many parts of LA.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 07, 2020, 06:22:18 PM
Only 3 more phases for view lots and all view lots will be sold out in OH Groves.  Better get them while you can.  Resale values will be much higher.

Id put the view lots if they were built out today at 2.7-3 range.

Interesting buyer activity on phase 3. View Lots 70 and 69 went to the first two they called. Interior lots 54 and 55 actually sold pretty quickly and before view lot 68. 68 and 56 sat for a while.

Possible that if you want a view lot but prequalified late then lot 66 phase 4 might be yours. And of course there is the parking lot phase.




My buyer passed on the Plan 1 view lot (68) as they want a Plan 3 view lot or larger Plan 3 lot (they got on the waitlist the week after the grand opening). 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 07, 2020, 08:32:54 PM
Only 3 more phases for view lots and all view lots will be sold out in OH Groves.  Better get them while you can.  Resale values will be much higher.

Id put the view lots if they were built out today at 2.7-3 range.

Interesting buyer activity on phase 3. View Lots 70 and 69 went to the first two they called. Interior lots 54 and 55 actually sold pretty quickly and before view lot 68. 68 and 56 sat for a while.

Possible that if you want a view lot but prequalified late then lot 66 phase 4 might be yours. And of course there is the parking lot phase.




My buyer passed on the Plan 1 view lot (68) as they want a Plan 3 view lot or larger Plan 3 lot (they got on the waitlist the week after the grand opening).

I can bet you they have to wait for the larger lots at the end of Trailmaster at earliest for a large lot.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 07, 2020, 08:34:36 PM
OC real estate everywhere is much cheaper than its LA counterpart.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on November 07, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
Only 3 more phases for view lots and all view lots will be sold out in OH Groves.  Better get them while you can.  Resale values will be much higher.

Id put the view lots if they were built out today at 2.7-3 range.

Interesting buyer activity on phase 3. View Lots 70 and 69 went to the first two they called. Interior lots 54 and 55 actually sold pretty quickly and before view lot 68. 68 and 56 sat for a while.

Possible that if you want a view lot but prequalified late then lot 66 phase 4 might be yours. And of course there is the parking lot phase.




My buyer passed on the Plan 1 view lot (68) as they want a Plan 3 view lot or larger Plan 3 lot (they got on the waitlist the week after the grand opening).

I can bet you they have to wait for the larger lots at the end of Trailmaster at earliest for a large lot.

It would be ironic if those large lots, with the lot premium + phase increases, costs almost as much as the view lots in the earlier phases.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 07, 2020, 10:31:45 PM
Only 3 more phases for view lots and all view lots will be sold out in OH Groves.  Better get them while you can.  Resale values will be much higher.

Id put the view lots if they were built out today at 2.7-3 range.

Interesting buyer activity on phase 3. View Lots 70 and 69 went to the first two they called. Interior lots 54 and 55 actually sold pretty quickly and before view lot 68. 68 and 56 sat for a while.

Possible that if you want a view lot but prequalified late then lot 66 phase 4 might be yours. And of course there is the parking lot phase.




My buyer passed on the Plan 1 view lot (68) as they want a Plan 3 view lot or larger Plan 3 lot (they got on the waitlist the week after the grand opening).

I can bet you they have to wait for the larger lots at the end of Trailmaster at earliest for a large lot.

It would be ironic if those large lots, with the lot premium + phase increases, costs almost as much as the view lots in the earlier phases.

The larger non-view lots will not carry the hefty premium that view lots will. My guess is that the larger non-view lots will have premiums of $100k to $150k (maybe a little more for the larger lots that back up to Leafy Pass).
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on November 07, 2020, 10:35:52 PM
Only 3 more phases for view lots and all view lots will be sold out in OH Groves.  Better get them while you can.  Resale values will be much higher.

Id put the view lots if they were built out today at 2.7-3 range.

Interesting buyer activity on phase 3. View Lots 70 and 69 went to the first two they called. Interior lots 54 and 55 actually sold pretty quickly and before view lot 68. 68 and 56 sat for a while.

Possible that if you want a view lot but prequalified late then lot 66 phase 4 might be yours. And of course there is the parking lot phase.




My buyer passed on the Plan 1 view lot (68) as they want a Plan 3 view lot or larger Plan 3 lot (they got on the waitlist the week after the grand opening).

I can bet you they have to wait for the larger lots at the end of Trailmaster at earliest for a large lot.

It would be ironic if those large lots, with the lot premium + phase increases, costs almost as much as the view lots in the earlier phases.

More expected than ironic. Isn’t it the case with last phase in all the collections that are built
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: calFriend on November 09, 2020, 02:13:57 PM
Only 3 more phases for view lots and all view lots will be sold out in OH Groves.  Better get them while you can.  Resale values will be much higher.

Id put the view lots if they were built out today at 2.7-3 range.

Interesting buyer activity on phase 3. View Lots 70 and 69 went to the first two they called. Interior lots 54 and 55 actually sold pretty quickly and before view lot 68. 68 and 56 sat for a while.

Possible that if you want a view lot but prequalified late then lot 66 phase 4 might be yours. And of course there is the parking lot phase.




My buyer passed on the Plan 1 view lot (68) as they want a Plan 3 view lot or larger Plan 3 lot (they got on the waitlist the week after the grand opening).

How come your buyer getting on the waitlist later than I got a call already while I didn't? Grand opening is 9/12, right?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 09, 2020, 03:42:26 PM
Only 3 more phases for view lots and all view lots will be sold out in OH Groves.  Better get them while you can.  Resale values will be much higher.

Id put the view lots if they were built out today at 2.7-3 range.

Interesting buyer activity on phase 3. View Lots 70 and 69 went to the first two they called. Interior lots 54 and 55 actually sold pretty quickly and before view lot 68. 68 and 56 sat for a while.

Possible that if you want a view lot but prequalified late then lot 66 phase 4 might be yours. And of course there is the parking lot phase.




My buyer passed on the Plan 1 view lot (68) as they want a Plan 3 view lot or larger Plan 3 lot (they got on the waitlist the week after the grand opening).

How come your buyer getting on the waitlist later than I got a call already while I didn't? Grand opening is 9/12, right?

Prequals opened before grand opening. Did you actually prequalify by showing them PoF if cash or prequalify with their preferred lender (a guy from Wells Fargo)?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: calFriend on November 09, 2020, 05:46:52 PM
Kris,

Our pre-qual has no problem. We are just curious about the timing and call. Everything is clear now after our agent figured it out by talking with sales office.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on November 14, 2020, 01:35:42 PM
Are all phase 3 homes sold out?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on November 14, 2020, 03:00:36 PM
Are all phase 3 homes sold out?
They sold out that same morning
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on November 14, 2020, 05:41:00 PM
Ok. Anyone else notice that the plan 2 phase increase are slightly higher than plan 1 or 3?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 14, 2020, 06:48:44 PM
Ok. Anyone else notice that the plan 2 phase increase are slightly higher than plan 1 or 3?

They know its slightly the most popular floorplan. They are the first to sell.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on November 14, 2020, 09:42:52 PM
Are these floorplans really breathtaking in person?  Are they that unique that they are selling like hotcakes? 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on November 15, 2020, 10:23:23 AM
Are these floorplans really breathtaking in person?  Are they that unique that they are selling like hotcakes?

compared to all the other new constructions in the area and i've seen them all the past couple months, i'd say YES, the floor plans are way better, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on November 15, 2020, 11:38:47 AM
Are these floorplans really breathtaking in person?  Are they that unique that they are selling like hotcakes?

compared to all the other new constructions in the area and i've seen them all the past couple months, i'd say YES, the floor plans are way better, in my opinion.

Like better than Toll Brothers floorplans?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 15, 2020, 12:02:22 PM
Are these floorplans really breathtaking in person?  Are they that unique that they are selling like hotcakes?

compared to all the other new constructions in the area and i've seen them all the past couple months, i'd say YES, the floor plans are way better, in my opinion.

Like better than Toll Brothers floorplans?

Toll bro floor plans aren’t for everyone. I’m not a fan of the double staircases they use a lot.

The big draw is that they are the only new builds in the 4K sqft range, and with how the surrounding has appreciated they are priced better than resell.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 15, 2020, 02:11:11 PM
Are these floorplans really breathtaking in person?  Are they that unique that they are selling like hotcakes? 

It's not only that the floorplans are unique but it's also that they are priced very competitively below $450/sf as resale homes on average sell for around $500/sf.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on November 15, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
Personally speaking with the exception of the Plan 2, they have a separate office area plus the loft and 5 bedrooms. Just a lot more functional space.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: akkord on November 15, 2020, 08:56:32 PM
4k+ SF homes and no 3 car garage, IHO would never look at these homes, at least try for a 3 car tandem, if not 3CWG...I know I know, this will never happen with new builds, $ wins and adding that 3rd garage eats up sq footage.  Imagine the premium charged for a 3CWG with large lot and view.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on November 15, 2020, 10:40:16 PM
Who doesn’t like dual staircases?  I thought everyone liked that dramatic look.

Cetara Plan 1 reminds me of the Messina Plan 2 floorplan with the center courtyard.  Cetara Plan 2, I cannot say that I’ve seen a floorplan like it in the Groves.  The dramatic high ceiling that connects to the second level loft is pretty sweet.  Cetara Plan 3 I really thought I would like but when I saw it in person, it was underwhelming. I think because the entrance felt very dark without windows on both sides.  The second level loft was too small.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 16, 2020, 08:38:58 AM
Who doesn’t like dual staircases?  I thought everyone liked that dramatic look.

Cetara Plan 1 reminds me of the Messina Plan 2 floorplan with the center courtyard.  Cetara Plan 2, I cannot say that I’ve seen a floorplan like it in the Groves.  The dramatic high ceiling that connects to the second level loft is pretty sweet.  Cetara Plan 3 I really thought I would like but when I saw it in person, it was underwhelming. I think because the entrance felt very dark without windows on both sides.  The second level loft was too small.

Cetara Plan 2 is like the super-sized version of Trellis Court/Talise Plan 4 with the high dramatic ceiling in the living area (those CalPac homes sold the best).
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 16, 2020, 09:39:18 AM
Yes Talise is a nice cozy home. Ones of the better buys in the price range.

Who doesn’t like dual staircases?  I thought everyone liked that dramatic look.


Its not really that dramatic looking. And its not just me being jaded. Ive had plenty of people not used to seeing homes shrug their shoulders at it. I like Toll Bro homes for others reasons than that.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Eyespii on November 17, 2020, 01:49:55 PM
With Cetara, what’s the best way to ask for some designer center credits? How much do you think they’d be willing to give?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 17, 2020, 02:18:42 PM
With Cetara, what’s the best way to ask for some designer center credits? How much do you think they’d be willing to give?

They have 0 design credit or any other incentives right now. They have no reason to provide any right now. These homes are selling themselves.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 17, 2020, 02:29:18 PM
The simplified typical series of events and steps for discounts from a builder

1) Lot has not sold through the priority list and is sitting, Then offer closing cost credit with preferred lender

2) Builder has begun to build the home themselves and it is in danger of becoming costlier to hold standing inventory, Then offer design credit

3) The standing inventory home is sitting around for quite some time, Then reduce price of the home.

4) Standing inventory builds up, Then increase broker co-op
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Post by: iacrenter on November 17, 2020, 03:00:05 PM
The simplified typical series of events and steps for discounts from a builder

1) Lot has not sold through the priority list and is sitting, Then offer closing cost credit with preferred lender

2) Builder has begun to build the home themselves and it is in danger of becoming costlier to hold standing inventory, Then offer design credit

3) The standing inventory home is sitting around for quite some time, Then reduce price of the home.

4) Standing inventory builds up, Then increase broker co-op


I thought #4 comes before #3. Builders loathe price cuts and it angers previous phase buyers.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 17, 2020, 04:40:34 PM
The simplified typical series of events and steps for discounts from a builder

1) Lot has not sold through the priority list and is sitting, Then offer closing cost credit with preferred lender

2) Builder has begun to build the home themselves and it is in danger of becoming costlier to hold standing inventory, Then offer design credit

3) The standing inventory home is sitting around for quite some time, Then reduce price of the home.

4) Standing inventory builds up, Then increase broker co-op


I thought #4 comes before #3. Builders loathe price cuts and it angers previous phase buyers.

Very true, but most builders will take offers on unsold home lots whether it's standing inventory or a few months away from completion (doesn't mind that they'll be greatly negotiable though).
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: talkirvine on November 17, 2020, 04:53:40 PM
What is the maximum discount that can be negotiated on an inventory home?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 17, 2020, 05:47:22 PM
What is the maximum discount that can be negotiated on an inventory home?

There's many variables that go into how much of a discount you can get from a builder.  It depends on the builder, how much unsold inventory that builder has, how that builder's sales are trending, and how many more homes they have left to sell. The highest price reduction I got for a buyer was for an Altair home in late 2018 (slightly over $100k) and for a Cadence Park 3-level detached condo in early 2019 (about 8% off).
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on November 17, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
I’m wondering at what phase will there be standing inventory?  I think Shea should have started building in the back and make the view lots toward the later phases.  Not sure why they would release view lots on the beginning?  Whoever is on their marketing team isn't doing a strategic job.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on November 17, 2020, 06:34:29 PM
I’m wondering at what phase will there be standing inventory?  I think Shea should have started building in the back and make the view lots toward the later phases.  Not sure why they would release view lots on the beginning?  Whoever is on their marketing team isn't doing a strategic job.

Maybe they didn't lock up their additional lots from Irvine Company untl they showed them how well sales were going, who knows.  Don't worry, they'll have those last view lots in the parking lot that they'll sell last for max premium. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on November 17, 2020, 07:19:07 PM
The simplified typical series of events and steps for discounts from a builder

1) Lot has not sold through the priority list and is sitting, Then offer closing cost credit with preferred lender

2) Builder has begun to build the home themselves and it is in danger of becoming costlier to hold standing inventory, Then offer design credit

3) The standing inventory home is sitting around for quite some time, Then reduce price of the home.

4) Standing inventory builds up, Then increase broker co-op


I thought #4 comes before #3. Builders loathe price cuts and it angers previous phase buyers.

No actually discounts off the price is much more common. You have to remember when a builder builds the house themselves they are putting in a bunch of high profit upgrades. So when they are giving you a discount its off the inflated price of the upgraded home, not the base price.

I’m wondering at what phase will there be standing inventory?  I think Shea should have started building in the back and make the view lots toward the later phases.  Not sure why they would release view lots on the beginning?  Whoever is on their marketing team isn't doing a strategic job.

My prediction is never. This will be one of those collections that sells out without ever having standing inventory. Priority list only.

Charging more at later phase doesn't mean they are making more money. Construction cost and materials goes up. They probably made much more profit off phase 1 view lots than they will from the parking-lot view homes at the last phase.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on November 18, 2020, 10:31:30 AM
I would disagree.  All depends on how you market.  Even with the increase in building costs, if you build up the hype and with the gradual phase increases, they could probably mark up the view lots way more toward the end.  Plus, the market may have increased by then also.  Unless Covid brings everything back down.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on December 02, 2020, 05:47:00 PM
Approx Early Jan for P4
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Post by: JadedOne on December 03, 2020, 10:19:18 AM
Approx Early Jan for P4

Is a two month delay between phases typical? I expected they'd continue on the monthly schedule.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on December 03, 2020, 06:08:24 PM
Approx Early Jan for P4

Nope, typically when a builder is selling their released lots quickly they’ll release a new phase within 4-6 weeks.  I’m guessing the holidays had something to do with it.

Is a two month delay between phases typical? I expected they'd continue on the monthly schedule.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on December 09, 2020, 08:57:12 AM
Plan 2 seems to be the most popular plan. Anyone have a feel for the least popular?  Or are they all just selling out like hot cakes?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on December 09, 2020, 09:37:39 AM
Plan 2 seems to be the most popular plan. Anyone have a feel for the least popular?  Or are they all just selling out like hot cakes?

Tough to say but my buyers are most interested in Plan 2 and Plan 3.  They don't like how the family room is kind of small with the courtyard in Plan 1 but I know some buyers like that courtyard area as it brings in more light.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on December 11, 2020, 12:01:10 PM
Do you guys think the view lot sizes are useable?  Can you fit a fireplace and small pool?
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Post by: Nguyen80 on December 11, 2020, 03:15:07 PM
Do you guys think the view lot sizes are useable?  Can you fit a fireplace and small pool?

Looks too small for any pool to me. Maybe a hottub?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on December 11, 2020, 04:27:42 PM
Do you guys think the view lot sizes are useable?  Can you fit a fireplace and small pool?

Only a few of the view lots could fit a small pool.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on December 12, 2020, 04:42:37 PM
I like to recommend 20ft of setback before thinking a small pool. Otherwise it really crowds up the yard. If I recall correctly the view lots have 11-15ft setbacks
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on December 12, 2020, 06:06:13 PM
I think only plan 2 has a 23' set back from the great room.  The CA room side is 11'.  Could that work?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on December 12, 2020, 08:01:58 PM
I think only plan 2 has a 23' set back from the great room.  The CA room side is 11'.  Could that work?

Generally you want the smallest distance to be 20ft or it will look crowded. None of the view lots would fit even a small pool. Perhaps a 2-3 person spa for some romantic nights could work. If we are talking semantics is that what you would consider a small pool? Go see the plan 1 and 2 models in person which are on lots with about the minimum distance I recommend. The plan 2 model has a small pool.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on December 13, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
Does the model Plan2 have a 20ft setback?  I think they did a good job of making the Pool look OK.; Nm saw your response that the model has min setback.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Maserson on December 13, 2020, 01:00:33 PM
I think only plan 2 has a 23' set back from the great room.  The CA room side is 11'.  Could that work?

Perhaps a 2-3 person spa for some romantic nights could work.

I read this as a 3 person romantic night.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on December 23, 2020, 09:06:14 AM
Do the view lots generally go for more than a larger non-view lot?  I stopped by last night and the view lot was very unimpressive (low elevation as mentioned here) and the backyard looked tiny when I looked at the new houses being built/framed.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on December 23, 2020, 10:39:12 AM
Do the view lots generally go for more than a larger non-view lot?  I stopped by last night and the view lot was very unimpressive (low elevation as mentioned here) and the backyard looked tiny when I looked at the new houses being built/framed.

Yes, the view lots are selling with a $400k+ lot premium compared to the non-view lots.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on December 23, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
Low elevation?  These are higher than Trevi’s $4m views.
Have you seen some of the lower elevations of the Vistas on Leafy Pass where you have the backyard of another Vista home backed right below you? 

Do the view lots generally go for more than a larger non-view lot?  I stopped by last night and the view lot was very unimpressive (low elevation as mentioned here) and the backyard looked tiny when I looked at the new houses being built/framed.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on December 23, 2020, 06:20:11 PM
Low elevation?  These are higher than Trevi’s $4m views.
Have you seen some of the lower elevations of the Vistas on Leafy Pass where you have the backyard of another Vista home backed right below you? 

Do the view lots generally go for more than a larger non-view lot?  I stopped by last night and the view lot was very unimpressive (low elevation as mentioned here) and the backyard looked tiny when I looked at the new houses being built/framed.

Apparently not! Not too familiar with OH as I live in CV with a 10ft setback ☹️
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on December 23, 2020, 06:21:56 PM
Do the view lots generally go for more than a larger non-view lot?  I stopped by last night and the view lot was very unimpressive (low elevation as mentioned here) and the backyard looked tiny when I looked at the new houses being built/framed.

Yes, the view lots are selling with a $400k+ lot premium compared to the non-view lots.

There were some larger lots compared to the view lots on the right side of the Dev map (can't recall the exact street names).  Do you know what the premium is on those?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on December 23, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Do the view lots generally go for more than a larger non-view lot?  I stopped by last night and the view lot was very unimpressive (low elevation as mentioned here) and the backyard looked tiny when I looked at the new houses being built/framed.

Yes, the view lots are selling with a $400k+ lot premium compared to the non-view lots.

There were some larger lots compared to the view lots on the right side of the Dev map (can't recall the exact street names).  Do you know what the premium is on those?

Tough to say what kind of premiums those larger non-view lots will be but my guess is it'll range from $50k to $150k (depending on the size of the lot and if you have no neighbors behind you).
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on December 24, 2020, 01:07:20 AM
They are increasing the phase premiums for the nonview lots by $10-$15k per phase.  When you get to the larger lots in the later phases, it’ll be closer to $100k increase over the earlier phases plus the lot premiums.  Would be interesting to see the larger interior lots closer to $2m.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on December 24, 2020, 03:34:07 PM
They are increasing the phase premiums for the nonview lots by $10-$15k per phase.  When you get to the larger lots in the later phases, it’ll be closer to $100k increase over the earlier phases plus the lot premiums.  Would be interesting to see the larger interior lots closer to $2m.

As long as they are selling every home that they release they'll keep bumping up the base along with the lot premiums.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on December 25, 2020, 10:33:24 PM
But who is Shea competing with in this price range?  Ravello?

Let’s assume similar price.  Would you pay this price for a Cetara view lot or a Bella Vista non-view lot?

They are increasing the phase premiums for the nonview lots by $10-$15k per phase.  When you get to the larger lots in the later phases, it’ll be closer to $100k increase over the earlier phases plus the lot premiums.  Would be interesting to see the larger interior lots closer to $2m.

As long as they are selling every home that they release they'll keep bumping up the base along with the lot premiums.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on December 25, 2020, 10:47:42 PM
But who is Shea competing with in this price range?  Ravello?

Let’s assume similar price.  Would you pay this price for a Cetara view lot or a Bella Vista non-view lot?

They are increasing the phase premiums for the nonview lots by $10-$15k per phase.  When you get to the larger lots in the later phases, it’ll be closer to $100k increase over the earlier phases plus the lot premiums.  Would be interesting to see the larger interior lots closer to $2m.

As long as they are selling every home that they release they'll keep bumping up the base along with the lot premiums.

From a new home perspective, their competition is Ravello and Capella & Crescendo at Cadence Park in Irvine but their competition is also resale homes in the $1.8m to $2.5m price segment.  In terms of buying a Cetara view lot versus a Bella Vista non-view lot, that'll depend on what's more important to a buyer.  Every buyer is different, some place more value on premium lots while others more value on the floor plan or location.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on December 26, 2020, 12:25:05 PM
When I see resales, owners with view lots generally try to sell for more than 25% premium.  Builders typically sell view lots for 25% premium but resales fetch for a lot more.  I guess what’s driving the Cetara demand is that they are the last view lots in the groves.  Plus they are the smallest homes with a true view. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on December 26, 2020, 01:37:55 PM
When I see resales, owners with view lots generally try to sell for more than 25% premium.  Builders typically sell view lots for 25% premium but resales fetch for a lot more.  I guess what’s driving the Cetara demand is that they are the last view lots in the groves.  Plus they are the smallest homes with a true view. 

From what I've seen in the past 14 years or so, premium lots (larger lots, view lots, and larger view lots) tend to get a higher premium in resales as compared to what the buyer paid for the home from the builder.  For example, I had an Alta Vista buyer who was looking at a $400k view lot premium and was hesitating but I showed him a few comps.  He ended up buying the home and when he found out that the last Alta Vista view lots had $700k-$800k premiums he was a happy camper.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on December 26, 2020, 07:31:08 PM
With Alta Vista, the lots with the $400k lot premium are on lower elevation (Knob Creek) compared to the ones with $800k lot premium (Leafy Pass or Dry Creek). When it comes to resales, there’s no way a lower elevation can ask for the same as a higher elevation right?  Assuming similar size lot and upgrades. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on December 26, 2020, 09:02:25 PM
With Alta Vista, the lots with the $400k lot premium are on lower elevation (Knob Creek) compared to the ones with $800k lot premium (Leafy Pass or Dry Creek). When it comes to resales, there’s no way a lower elevation can ask for the same as a higher elevation right?  Assuming similar size lot and upgrades. 

His lot was larger than those higher elevation lots.  Regardless, his lot premium is worth a lot more than $400k today.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on January 03, 2021, 08:54:38 AM
I stopped by the sales office and just some quick observations:

1.) Seems like sales/pre-sales are strong given the lack of motivation from the sales office to answer a lot of questions despite my being a non-contingent potential buyer.  They mentioned to me that the pre-approval list is very long.

2.) Thought it was funny to see entitled potential buyers come in asking to cut the line if they gave cash today;  these weren't the typical FCBs but seemed like people from LA trying to move here. 

I sort of have mixed views on whether or not to pull the trigger since my oldest is in 4th grade and the houses don't really offer much more functionality over my current house.  I'm also not too familiar with OH:

1.) CV has so many close by amenities: Elementary School and Middle School are all walking distance.  Many parks by both the HOA and City is a plus.  The K-8 school didn't seem like an easy walk for young kids from Cetara.  As someone mentioned the closest park is at the Resort which also doesn't seem like an easy walk.

2.) CV is more central;  not sure how much I would like driving the extra 10-15 mins a day if we ever have to go back to the office but this is by no means a deal breaker.

3.) Are there any nice trails like JOST in the Groves?  We like to do family bike rides and OH would seem tougher for young kids given the hills and higher elevation.

4.) TUSD vs IUSD although all of the Grove schools seem good. 

With that being said, it seems like a good time to realize gains from the incredible Bull run that we've had in the stock market and park it into a house that the family can enjoy.   This is also my last opportunity to move up while the kids are still in elementary school. 

It's view lot (unlikely given I just pre-qualified) or big lot (preferably some of the unannounced ones that have no backing neighbors) or bust for me like a lot of the other buyers on here. 

Question:  For some of the big lots like lot 60/61 in Phase 5 where you do have a backing neighbor, is 20+ feet good enough for privacy?  I haven't had the luxury of owning a house with big lots so genuinely curious. 

Thanks!
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: aquabliss on January 03, 2021, 10:00:47 AM
I wonder if the agents accept cash bribes?  I’m sure some have tried.

Steve regarding your question, I’d much rather have a 10 foot yard with no neighbor behind (or view) vs. a 20 foot yard with a neighbor directly behind.  I’ve experienced both and it’s not just the privacy but the amount of natural light is very different.

Privacy beats a bigger yard where neighbors can look into your space.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on January 03, 2021, 01:11:54 PM
I would also say a view even with a small lot, will trump any larger lot home with a neighbor behind you.  There are some homes in the later phases with no one behind you.  The ones that back toward the Vistas.  If you don't mind having homes up the hill looking down at you. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 03, 2021, 10:10:53 PM
Shea definitely goes why when buyers get pre-qualified by their lender in terms of where they are on the waitlist. They don't allow cash buyers to "skip" the waitlist and I'm sure that their agents don't take bribes even though I'm sure some buyers/agents may have tried. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on January 04, 2021, 08:07:00 AM
Thanks everyone for the inputs on the lot...
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 08, 2021, 09:07:35 PM
Phase 4 release  on Sat the 16th
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on January 09, 2021, 09:58:38 AM
Who is still trying to get these view lots? At $500k premiums (my guess) will it deter people? 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on January 09, 2021, 10:48:54 AM
Who is still trying to get these view lots? At $500k premiums (my guess) will it deter people? 

$500k is pretty steep but if they get to the bottom of the list for Phase 4 then I'll think about =)

Our preferred floor plan is Plan 1 due to the functionality (conservatory w/ stack doors @ courtyard & office makes this 7 rooms) and there is only 1 left for view lots so I doubt it;  Will gladly take a Plan2 but there's no way that's making it to the bottom of the list.  Not really interested in Plan3.

Kris, any idea how much the stacking doors go for?  It wasn't on the detailed options list that I got.  I'm guessing $20k a piece?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on January 09, 2021, 01:05:21 PM
Who is still trying to get these view lots? At $500k premiums (my guess) will it deter people? 

$500k is pretty steep but if they get to the bottom of the list for Phase 4 then I'll think about =)

Our preferred floor plan is Plan 1 due to the functionality (conservatory w/ stack doors @ courtyard & office makes this 7 rooms) and there is only 1 left for view lots so I doubt it;  Will gladly take a Plan2 but there's no way that's making it to the bottom of the list.  Not really interested in Plan3.


Kris, any idea how much the stacking doors go for?  It wasn't on the detailed options list that I got.  I'm guessing $20k a piece?

There are four stacking door options for Model 1:

Great Room to Courtyard: $4735
Great Room to Backyard: $4940
Between Great Room/Kitchen to Backyard: $4940
Entry Hall to Courtyard: $5230
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on January 11, 2021, 12:41:16 PM
Got an email saying Phase 3 release is this Saturday.  Should it be phase 4?

Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 11, 2021, 01:05:28 PM
Who is still trying to get these view lots? At $500k premiums (my guess) will it deter people?

A lot of people will still drive over you for those lots with the 500k premium. If you're unfamiliar with in demand lot premiums with other developments 500 is barely middle tier.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 11, 2021, 01:08:47 PM
Who is still trying to get these view lots? At $500k premiums (my guess) will it deter people? 

$500k is pretty steep but if they get to the bottom of the list for Phase 4 then I'll think about =)

Our preferred floor plan is Plan 1 due to the functionality (conservatory w/ stack doors @ courtyard & office makes this 7 rooms) and there is only 1 left for view lots so I doubt it;  Will gladly take a Plan2 but there's no way that's making it to the bottom of the list.  Not really interested in Plan3.

Kris, any idea how much the stacking doors go for?  It wasn't on the detailed options list that I got.  I'm guessing $20k a piece?

They didn't send you the complete options price list? I can email you the pdf if you want. You actually have a decent shot at the plan 1 view lot since its the least popular. The one on phase 3 took a while to sell.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on January 12, 2021, 09:59:33 PM
There are only two phases of view lots left.  I wonder if they will jack up the prices now knowing that they can’t really jack up the prices in the no n-view lots later on?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on January 13, 2021, 12:28:14 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window

Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: paperboyNC on January 13, 2021, 12:34:28 PM
Non view lots:
57 - plan 1C - $1.790m
58 - plan 2d - $1.815m
59 - plan 3A - $1.885m (large, but awkwardly shaped lot)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: paperboyNC on January 13, 2021, 12:35:56 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window

I toured Sterling in South OC a few weeks ago and the view lot premiums are under $100k
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on January 13, 2021, 01:07:01 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window

Woah, that is a $550k view premium!!!!! I thought the view premium of $350k in phase 1 was a lot.  Who is still trying to buy these view lots?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 13, 2021, 05:01:32 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window

Woah, that is a $550k view premium!!!!! I thought the view premium of $350k in phase 1 was a lot.  Who is still trying to buy these view lots?


All those view lots will sell on Saturday.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 13, 2021, 05:24:12 PM
There are only two phases of view lots left.  I wonder if they will jack up the prices now knowing that they can’t really jack up the prices in the no n-view lots later on?


3 phases left. Include the parking lot.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 13, 2021, 06:10:56 PM
There are only two phases of view lots left.  I wonder if they will jack up the prices now knowing that they can’t really jack up the prices in the no n-view lots later on?


3 phases left. Include the parking lot.

Those parking lot view lots will have huge view lot premiums as those will be one of the last homes they sell.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on January 13, 2021, 06:38:19 PM
There are only two phases of view lots left.  I wonder if they will jack up the prices now knowing that they can’t really jack up the prices in the no n-view lots later on?


3 phases left. Include the parking lot.

Those parking lot view lots will have huge view lot premiums as those will be one of the last homes they sell.

I forgot about the parking lot homes.  What are you guessing these will go for?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 14, 2021, 12:12:31 AM
There are only two phases of view lots left.  I wonder if they will jack up the prices now knowing that they can’t really jack up the prices in the no n-view lots later on?


3 phases left. Include the parking lot.

Those parking lot view lots will have huge view lot premiums as those will be one of the last homes they sell.

I forgot about the parking lot homes.  What are you guessing these will go for?

Tough to stay because it might be 12-18 months by the time they release those homes.  For sure the view lot premium will be higher than in Phase 4.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on January 14, 2021, 04:20:10 PM
i believe they may be building additional cetara homes, at least thats what i heard...
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 15, 2021, 08:41:24 AM
i believe they may be building additional cetara homes, at least thats what i heard...

They'd be smart to complete all of those available lots in that tract as the demand is there.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Coco55 on January 15, 2021, 09:47:05 AM
i believe they may be building additional cetara homes, at least thats what i heard...

Additional to ones that have already been planned? 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 15, 2021, 10:19:31 AM
i believe they may be building additional cetara homes, at least thats what i heard...

You mean building out the tract where their website shows grey areas? Yes that was always the case. Builders commonly keep further out phases out of peoples mind. If you're referring to clones of Cetara in a different area that's news to me.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: seaturtle on January 15, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
Hi everyone. I'm posting for the first time here to share my experience as a purchaser of a Cetara home. Tl;dr I wish I had bought somewhere else.

I had previously purchased new construction from another builder in OC, and their service was first class every step of the way. Since I was paying much more for Cetara, I thought I could expect the same level of satisfaction - if not more - from Shea.

I was wrong. As another poster also mentioned, we never felt particularly valued as a customer when dealing with Shea. One rep said we were “lucky” to purchase from them. More troubling, we found some employees to be uninformed and/or unprofessional, which has had an impact on how our house will turn out. It didn’t help that Shea unilaterally amended several deadlines in the signed contract to our detriment. And the list unfortunately goes on.

FWIW, I think Leslie in the sales office has been one of the few who have been good at their jobs. She won't do you any favors but she is knowledgeable and responsive.

Anyway, I know this won’t have any impact on sales but I thought I’d share so that other buyers can manage their own expectations. Of course YMMV and I sincerely hope your experience is better than mine.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: WTTCHMN on January 15, 2021, 12:25:04 PM
Hi everyone. I'm posting for the first time here to share my experience as a purchaser of a Cetara home. Tl;dr I wish I had bought somewhere else.

I had previously purchased new construction from another builder in OC, and their service was first class every step of the way. Since I was paying much more for Cetara, I thought I could expect the same level of satisfaction - if not more - from Shea.

I was wrong. As another poster also mentioned, we never felt particularly valued as a customer when dealing with Shea. One rep said we were “lucky” to purchase from them. More troubling, we found some employees to be uninformed and/or unprofessional, which has had an impact on how our house will turn out. It didn’t help that Shea unilaterally amended several deadlines in the signed contract to our detriment. And the list unfortunately goes on.

FWIW, I think Leslie in the sales office has been one of the few who have been good at their jobs. She won't do you any favors but she is knowledgeable and responsive.

Anyway, I know this won’t have any impact on sales but I thought I’d share so that other buyers can manage their own expectations. Of course YMMV and I sincerely hope your experience is better than mine.

Hopefully, Shea is monitoring this board and sees this.  It's a PR nightmare for them and now they have to do damage control.

Have you reached out to the higher-ups?  You could always slam them in the upcoming surveys but by then it will be too late for you.  Better to nip it in the bud.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: lovingit on January 15, 2021, 12:28:20 PM
Hi everyone. I'm posting for the first time here to share my experience as a purchaser of a Cetara home. Tl;dr I wish I had bought somewhere else.

I had previously purchased new construction from another builder in OC, and their service was first class every step of the way. Since I was paying much more for Cetara, I thought I could expect the same level of satisfaction - if not more - from Shea.

I was wrong. As another poster also mentioned, we never felt particularly valued as a customer when dealing with Shea. One rep said we were “lucky” to purchase from them. More troubling, we found some employees to be uninformed and/or unprofessional, which has had an impact on how our house will turn out. It didn’t help that Shea unilaterally amended several deadlines in the signed contract to our detriment. And the list unfortunately goes on.

FWIW, I think Leslie in the sales office has been one of the few who have been good at their jobs. She won't do you any favors but she is knowledgeable and responsive.

Anyway, I know this won’t have any impact on sales but I thought I’d share so that other buyers can manage their own expectations. Of course YMMV and I sincerely hope your experience is better than mine.

Can you share in detail what you have experienced?  My friend who is buying Cetara said their home is being delayed and they aren’t happy that the builder did not build covid delays into their communication. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: E on January 15, 2021, 12:36:47 PM
Hi everyone. I'm posting for the first time here to share my experience as a purchaser of a Cetara home. Tl;dr I wish I had bought somewhere else.

I had previously purchased new construction from another builder in OC, and their service was first class every step of the way. Since I was paying much more for Cetara, I thought I could expect the same level of satisfaction - if not more - from Shea.

I was wrong. As another poster also mentioned, we never felt particularly valued as a customer when dealing with Shea. One rep said we were “lucky” to purchase from them. More troubling, we found some employees to be uninformed and/or unprofessional, which has had an impact on how our house will turn out. It didn’t help that Shea unilaterally amended several deadlines in the signed contract to our detriment. And the list unfortunately goes on.

FWIW, I think Leslie in the sales office has been one of the few who have been good at their jobs. She won't do you any favors but she is knowledgeable and responsive.

Anyway, I know this won’t have any impact on sales but I thought I’d share so that other buyers can manage their own expectations. Of course YMMV and I sincerely hope your experience is better than mine.

Sorry to hear about your experience. Haven’t made the purchase yet but have been debating a lot lately. With the ongoing issue over at the All American Asphalt plant (Cetara is only 1.7 miles away in distance), and also your point on the lack of knowledge with some of the staff, which we’ve experienced similarly...Cetara has honestly become a backup in our house hunt. Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: paperboyNC on January 15, 2021, 01:33:59 PM
Hi everyone. I'm posting for the first time here to share my experience as a purchaser of a Cetara home. Tl;dr I wish I had bought somewhere else.

I had previously purchased new construction from another builder in OC, and their service was first class every step of the way. Since I was paying much more for Cetara, I thought I could expect the same level of satisfaction - if not more - from Shea.

I was wrong. As another poster also mentioned, we never felt particularly valued as a customer when dealing with Shea. One rep said we were “lucky” to purchase from them. More troubling, we found some employees to be uninformed and/or unprofessional, which has had an impact on how our house will turn out. It didn’t help that Shea unilaterally amended several deadlines in the signed contract to our detriment. And the list unfortunately goes on.

FWIW, I think Leslie in the sales office has been one of the few who have been good at their jobs. She won't do you any favors but she is knowledgeable and responsive.

Anyway, I know this won’t have any impact on sales but I thought I’d share so that other buyers can manage their own expectations. Of course YMMV and I sincerely hope your experience is better than mine.

Agreed. Based on the size of this thread, a lot of those on the interest list read this forum. Maybe they'll have some quick move in homes after tomorrow.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: trematix on January 15, 2021, 02:17:03 PM
i believe they may be building additional cetara homes, at least thats what i heard...

You mean building out the tract where their website shows grey areas? Yes that was always the case. Builders commonly keep further out phases out of peoples mind. If you're referring to clones of Cetara in a different area that's news to me.

yes im talking about the additional tracts. you stated "3 phases left. Include the parking lot." There will be more than that if they continue to build on those available tracts.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Coco55 on January 15, 2021, 02:51:18 PM
i believe they may be building additional cetara homes, at least thats what i heard...

You mean building out the tract where their website shows grey areas? Yes that was always the case. Builders commonly keep further out phases out of peoples mind. If you're referring to clones of Cetara in a different area that's news to me.

yes im talking about the additional tracts. you stated "3 phases left. Include the parking lot." There will be more than that if they continue to build on those available tracts.

I think he/she was referring to the view lots.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 16, 2021, 10:25:23 AM
I always tell people never believe the builder reps home delivery time.

Best of luck to those on the waiting list today.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 16, 2021, 10:30:51 AM
i believe they may be building additional cetara homes, at least thats what i heard...

You mean building out the tract where their website shows grey areas? Yes that was always the case. Builders commonly keep further out phases out of peoples mind. If you're referring to clones of Cetara in a different area that's news to me.

yes im talking about the additional tracts. you stated "3 phases left. Include the parking lot." There will be more than that if they continue to build on those available tracts.

Currently if you look at OH master plans the current tracts home architecture are all already finalized and spoken for. But things do change so there's a small chance we may see Cetara clones elsewhere in OH. More likely in one of the more fluid tracts in PS or GP.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on January 16, 2021, 12:36:12 PM
Phase 4 sold out.  Never got a call but congrats to all!
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Eyespii on January 16, 2021, 12:37:53 PM
Wow how quickly did they sell all the lots?
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Post by: scubasteve on January 16, 2021, 01:23:04 PM
Under 2 hours...
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Post by: calFriend on January 16, 2021, 01:33:17 PM
Does anyone know where/when on the waiting list was able to get a call today?
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Post by: shadyoc on January 16, 2021, 02:00:25 PM
Under 2 hours...

They slipping.  Phase one was under 30 minutes. 
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Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 16, 2021, 04:37:15 PM
One of my clients got a call for the Plan 1 view lot and passed because they don't like the plan and price.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on January 16, 2021, 04:44:32 PM
Out of curiosity when did they pre-qual? Trying to gauge how far down the list they got given I just did it right before new years...
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 16, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Out of curiosity when did they pre-qual? Trying to gauge how far down the list they got given I just did it right before new years...

The last calls are to people who registered around day models opened. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 16, 2021, 04:55:33 PM
Out of curiosity when did they pre-qual? Trying to gauge how far down the list they got given I just did it right before new years...

I believe within a day or two of the grand opening. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on January 18, 2021, 06:04:05 PM
I am curious if the buyers of Padova or other Shea Homes experienced exceptional customer service?  Or is it just the Cetara team who thinks it is ok to NOT provide great service that clients expect when buying a $2m home?  Or is it because of Covid that they are extra careful about buyers dropping in?  Or is it just the sale office who are hard to deal with? 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on January 18, 2021, 06:20:57 PM
I%u2019m curious if the buyers of Padova or other Shea Homes experienced exceptional customer service?  Or is it just the Cetara team who thinks it is ok to NOT provide great service that clients expect when buying a $2m home?  Or is it because of Covid that they are extra careful about buyers dropping in?  Or is it just the sale office who are hard to deal with?

Partially Covid. Partially it’s who you deal with in sales office. I would avoid dealing with Leslie.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: seaturtle on January 18, 2021, 06:59:51 PM
Yes I’m curious if other Shea buyers had to google product numbers to see what certain options look like because the builder did not bother to include pictures in its catalog (which is actually a dropbox link containing random and sometimes outdated slides), or whether they were scolded for not making an appointment to get a quick measurement.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on January 19, 2021, 10:07:48 AM
Yes I’m curious if other Shea buyers had to google product numbers to see what certain options look like because the builder did not bother to include pictures in its catalog (which is actually a dropbox link containing random and sometimes outdated slides), or whether they were scolded for not making an appointment to get a quick measurement.

So to clarify for all the people that asked here, it sounds like your issues are:

1. The Design Center not being helpful and giving you details of upgrade options
2. Being scolded for dropping by the models for a measurement


I am buying at Cetara and this is my second new construction home, so I'm somewhat familiar with what to expect. I'm the kind of person that doesn't leave anything to chance if I can help it, so I did all my own research on the options and had very detailed questions to ask the office and design center.

I also had low expectations for Shea and their staff. I know first hand how hard it is to run a business during Covid, so their hands are tied on certain things or they have to follow procedures that may not make sense to everyone. I don't like zoom calls or making appointments, but this is our reality right now.

I have found Leslie to be helpful and by far the most knowledgeable person at the office. She is very responsive to emails (aside from the first two weeks after model opening) and I have no issues with her. The others have not been as helpful or knowledgeable but everyone has been friendly and there's been no rudeness towards me from anyone.

The design center experience is tough, because in my mind it's all about the designer you're assigned. Mine was pretty good, but certainly could have been better. Email responses take days/weeks and they just don't have all the info I need. As I mentioned, I did my own research and asked detailed questions. It's too big of a purchase to let someone lead me blindly.

One question I asked of the designer was if the multi-gen suite was not selected, would the downstairs shower have a bench? This mattered to me because of the option for a soap niche, which I wouldn't need if there was a bench. My designer said she asked and there is NO bench, despite the floorplan showing one. Now that construction is well underway of homesites, I found that they are definitely building a bench in that shower. So either my designer didn't ask and lied to me or Shea doesn't have their stuff together.

Similar for the floorplan showing two water heaters. I said the model has one, but the floorplan shows two. I was told the floorplan is incorrect. I believe there's only one, as modeled.

I consider these to be little things. Yes, we're spending $2m on a home and I would hope that it comes with a premium experience. At the same time, I'm fine as long as I (mostly) get what I want out of it. If that means doing some legwork, I've been fine with it. But it certainly has not been a "premium" experience, whatever that means.

Those are my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: seaturtle on January 19, 2021, 04:59:30 PM
Yes I’m curious if other Shea buyers had to google product numbers to see what certain options look like because the builder did not bother to include pictures in its catalog (which is actually a dropbox link containing random and sometimes outdated slides), or whether they were scolded for not making an appointment to get a quick measurement.

So to clarify for all the people that asked here, it sounds like your issues are:

1. The Design Center not being helpful and giving you details of upgrade options
2. Being scolded for dropping by the models for a measurement


I am buying at Cetara and this is my second new construction home, so I'm somewhat familiar with what to expect. I'm the kind of person that doesn't leave anything to chance if I can help it, so I did all my own research on the options and had very detailed questions to ask the office and design center.

I also had low expectations for Shea and their staff. I know first hand how hard it is to run a business during Covid, so their hands are tied on certain things or they have to follow procedures that may not make sense to everyone. I don't like zoom calls or making appointments, but this is our reality right now.

I have found Leslie to be helpful and by far the most knowledgeable person at the office. She is very responsive to emails (aside from the first two weeks after model opening) and I have no issues with her. The others have not been as helpful or knowledgeable but everyone has been friendly and there's been no rudeness towards me from anyone.

The design center experience is tough, because in my mind it's all about the designer you're assigned. Mine was pretty good, but certainly could have been better. Email responses take days/weeks and they just don't have all the info I need. As I mentioned, I did my own research and asked detailed questions. It's too big of a purchase to let someone lead me blindly.

One question I asked of the designer was if the multi-gen suite was not selected, would the downstairs shower have a bench? This mattered to me because of the option for a soap niche, which I wouldn't need if there was a bench. My designer said she asked and there is NO bench, despite the floorplan showing one. Now that construction is well underway of homesites, I found that they are definitely building a bench in that shower. So either my designer didn't ask and lied to me or Shea doesn't have their stuff together.

Similar for the floorplan showing two water heaters. I said the model has one, but the floorplan shows two. I was told the floorplan is incorrect. I believe there's only one, as modeled.

I consider these to be little things. Yes, we're spending $2m on a home and I would hope that it comes with a premium experience. At the same time, I'm fine as long as I (mostly) get what I want out of it. If that means doing some legwork, I've been fine with it. But it certainly has not been a "premium" experience, whatever that means.

Those are my 2 cents.

Agree with you on the lack of premium anything (except on some of the option prices).

My examples were meant to be illustrative - unfortunately my issues with the Shea experience go beyond pretty pictures or bruised feelings. I’m just new to this site and not totally comfortable going into detail yet.

Anyway, after my original post, I’ve been contacted by a few new neighbors-to-be, so that’s been cool. Frustration and stress with Shea notwithstanding, I look forward to seeing all of you around the ‘hood.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 19, 2021, 05:06:07 PM
Im making a WhatsApp group for Cetara neighborhood. Msg me if you want to join. Get to know your neighbors.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: variable229 on January 21, 2021, 05:02:52 PM
I am curious if the buyers of Padova or other Shea Homes experienced exceptional customer service?  Or is it just the Cetara team who thinks it is ok to NOT provide great service that clients expect when buying a $2m home?  Or is it because of Covid that they are extra careful about buyers dropping in?  Or is it just the sale office who are hard to deal with?

We bought in different Shea homebuilder community and it was a pleasure to deal with the sales staff.  When we engaged with the Shea design studio to the construction foreman, Shea has been very accommodating with requested custom changes (ie. moving placement of air vents or canned lights etc) to accommodate planned future post-escrow work in our home.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Chegg on January 21, 2021, 07:03:22 PM
I am curious if the buyers of Padova or other Shea Homes experienced exceptional customer service?  Or is it just the Cetara team who thinks it is ok to NOT provide great service that clients expect when buying a $2m home?  Or is it because of Covid that they are extra careful about buyers dropping in?  Or is it just the sale office who are hard to deal with?

Far from exceptional, although the design center has been very pleasant, really enjoyed working with Lucy.  This is my 2nd Shea new construction, first was in Brea (Blackstone) and that was an exceptional customer service experience.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: OCIrvineLiving on January 22, 2021, 11:47:03 AM
I am curious if the buyers of Padova or other Shea Homes experienced exceptional customer service?  Or is it just the Cetara team who thinks it is ok to NOT provide great service that clients expect when buying a $2m home?  Or is it because of Covid that they are extra careful about buyers dropping in?  Or is it just the sale office who are hard to deal with?

Far from exceptional, although the design center has been very pleasant, really enjoyed working with Lucy.  This is my 2nd Shea new construction, first was in Brea (Blackstone) and that was an exceptional customer service experience.

We had an exceptional experience with the Shea Padova team.  We purchased at Phase 1 before the model was even built.  The sales office was always there to answer questions and kept us in the loop every step of the way.  They would make accommodations for us to walk through the model during construction so that we had a better idea of the layout.  After the model opened we were there every other weekend for measurements and ideas.  The staff always friendly and knowledgable. The construction team was more than accommodating on our needs as we did our flooring, tile, backsplash upgrades after COE.  The customer service team for the 1 year warranty was always around and would come by and check on things upon request.  We were really happy with the whole Shea buying process.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 27, 2021, 08:01:14 PM
I called over to the sales office because a client had a question for them.  Leslie called me back and I asked her about when were people registered who bought in Phase 4 and she said "right around the beginning of Sept" which is right because my buyer who registered on Sept 5th hasn't gotten called yet.  When I asked what their chance was for Phase 5 she said basically zero because there were several people at the top of the list who were passing for the larger Phase 5 lots and said most likely they'll be able to buy in Phase 6 but for sure in phase 7.  Hope that helps everyone.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on January 27, 2021, 08:35:13 PM
Hey Martin, if buyers are not trying to buy the view lots in phase 5, why would they try for phase 6/7?  Aren’t those all interior lots and normal sized lots?  There will be a price increase later on also.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 27, 2021, 09:14:50 PM
Hey Martin, if buyers are not trying to buy the view lots in phase 5, why would they try for phase 6/7?  Aren’t those all interior lots and normal sized lots?  There will be a price increase later on also.

One of my buyers who registered a bit earlier got called on the Plan 1 view lots for Phase 3 and 4 but passed but not sure if they'll get called for the larger non view lots.  They'll most likely buy in Phase 6 but may other buyer who got on the list on the 5th hasn't gotten called yet so they'll probably they may or may not get a home in Phase 6 or will probably get a home in Phase 7.  Both guys are fine with interior Plan 2 or 3 lots.
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Post by: cghirvine on January 28, 2021, 02:53:23 PM
Do you think the backyards of those Plan 2 (view lots) too small for lap pool?
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Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 28, 2021, 02:58:45 PM
Do you think the backyards of those Plan 2 (view lots) too small for lap pool?

Yes will crowd up your yard too much.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 28, 2021, 07:37:57 PM
Do you think the backyards of those Plan 2 (view lots) too small for lap pool?

Keep in mind that Irvine requires a 3-foot setback from the property lines for a pool and at least 3 feet from the edge of the home to the edge of the pool so if you have a 15-foot deep yard you'll be looking at a pool that will be 9 feet wide at most.

To give you an example, my yard is currently 21 feet deep until it hits a 2 foot retaining wall with an upslope.  I'm moving my retaining wall back 6 feet and I'm going to have my pool be 12 feet wide with the new 4 foot retaining wall being the back of the pool which will leave me 15 feet from the home to the edge of the pool for hard/softscaping. 
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: aquabliss on January 28, 2021, 08:32:01 PM
USC you're putting a pool in?  <Jealous Emoji>
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on January 28, 2021, 08:38:18 PM
USC you're putting a pool in?  <Jealous Emoji>

I have a pool but is old and needs to be scrapped so I'm redoing my front and backyard, including a new more modern pool and moving my retaining wall back 6 feet (goes from 2 feet high to 4 feet high). 
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Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on January 28, 2021, 09:18:51 PM
Make sure you get that infinity edge
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Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on February 04, 2021, 03:48:46 PM
P5 tentatively end of month.
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Post by: Eyespii on February 04, 2021, 03:49:35 PM
Guesstimates on pricing for view/non-view??
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: paperboyNC on February 17, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
Phase 5

Non-view

60 1B $1.955mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)
61 3C $2.03mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)

View - these lots look standard for the view lots
62 3A $2.783mm incl Deck at Master Bedroom
63 2C $2.744mm incl Stacking Sliding, Glass Door and Fixed Glass Window Wall Above
64 3D $2.743mm incl Deck at Master Bedroom
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on February 17, 2021, 01:16:54 PM
Big lot for <2mm looks nice now...


View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window

Now $2.7mm+ for all view lots!
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Eyespii on February 17, 2021, 01:39:47 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
Phase 5

Non-view

60 1B $1.955mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)
61 3C $2.03mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)

View - these lots look standard for the view lots
62 3A $2.783mm
63 2C $2.744mm
64 3D $2.743mm

Wow, what a jump in price for the view lots! Do they come with any additional upgrades?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on February 17, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
Phase 5

Non-view

60 1B $1.955mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)
61 3C $2.03mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)

View - these lots look standard for the view lots
62 3A $2.783mm
63 2C $2.744mm
64 3D $2.743mm


I'm both surprised and not surprised. The view lots for $300k more seems more reasonable than the $150K premium for the extra backyard space.

I'm sure they'll all sell (the not surprised part of me), but that was more than I expected, particularly for the non-view lots. Though I suppose Lot 61 will have some views of fires in future years  ;D
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on February 17, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
Phase 5

Non-view

60 1B $1.955mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)
61 3C $2.03mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)

View - these lots look standard for the view lots
62 3A $2.783mm
63 2C $2.744mm
64 3D $2.743mm

Wow, those are some big premiums for the view lots.  I'm sure they'll sell all of them though.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on February 17, 2021, 01:47:17 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
Phase 5

Non-view

60 1B $1.955mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)
61 3C $2.03mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)

View - these lots look standard for the view lots
62 3A $2.783mm
63 2C $2.744mm
64 3D $2.743mm

Wow, what a jump in price for the view lots! Do they come with any additional upgrades?

62/64 come with the Deck at Master. 63 comes with Stacking Sliding Glass Door and Fixed Glass Window Wall Above (as shown in Model).

62 gets an extra 2.8 feet of backyard space compared to the standard lots.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: paperboyNC on February 17, 2021, 01:47:20 PM
Wow, what a jump in price for the view lots! Do they come with any additional upgrades?

Added to my original post
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on February 17, 2021, 02:38:01 PM
Beat me to posting. Big premiums due to end of cul de sac, view lots, and last of view lots (for a while). Not as much of a cushion with instant equity at these prices like the previous phases have.

The two non view lots are quite reasonable imo due to the resale market pricing on them.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on February 17, 2021, 03:54:46 PM
So Phase 5 sold on Saturday, Feb 27th?  One of my buyers may get a shot at one of these lots as they have been passed on the Phase 1 view lots in the past 2 phases. The other buyer is going to have to wait until Phase 6 or 7.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on February 17, 2021, 04:05:43 PM
So Phase 5 sold on Saturday, Feb 27th?  One of my buyers may get a shot at one of these lots as they have been passed on the Phase 1 view lots in the past 2 phases. The other buyer is going to have to wait until Phase 6 or 7.

Phase 5 will be sold this Saturday, 2/20/21.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on February 17, 2021, 04:30:34 PM
So Phase 5 sold on Saturday, Feb 27th?  One of my buyers may get a shot at one of these lots as they have been passed on the Phase 1 view lots in the past 2 phases. The other buyer is going to have to wait until Phase 6 or 7.

Phase 5 will be sold this Saturday, 2/20/21.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on February 17, 2021, 08:16:59 PM
Lot of people are asking me regarding future pricing.

Pricing for phase 5 seems extra high because there are only premium lots this phase. Phase 6 will have lower priced lots again.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on February 18, 2021, 05:59:22 PM
$700k view lot premium?  I wonder what’s going to happen once they come to the parking lot view lots?  $1m premium?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: hamilton on February 18, 2021, 11:47:29 PM
View lots went up another 100k! Not sure if I can stomach it lol...

2A: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
1B: 2.35mm, includes stacking sliding doors @ courtyard and greatroom
2C: 2.389mm, includes stacking sliding doors and large glass window
Phase 5

Non-view

60 1B $1.955mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)
61 3C $2.03mm (extra 1,000 sqft lot with 18ft bonus setback)

View - these lots look standard for the view lots
62 3A $2.783mm incl Deck at Master Bedroom
63 2C $2.744mm incl Stacking Sliding, Glass Door and Fixed Glass Window Wall Above
64 3D $2.743mm incl Deck at Master Bedroom

View lot and big lots all sound great... I just hope buyers also realize how much money it costs to properly design and build a nice backyard with all that extra space.  It can be easy to get away going cheap on the yard when your yard is small with no view but with a larger yard and a view you'll feel compelled to spring for all the extra features to fill up that space and that cost adds up very fast.  Either way a good problem to have...
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on February 19, 2021, 11:10:15 AM
So Phase 5 sold on Saturday, Feb 27th?  One of my buyers may get a shot at one of these lots as they have been passed on the Phase 1 view lots in the past 2 phases. The other buyer is going to have to wait until Phase 6 or 7.

Why did your buyer pass up a phase 1 view lot?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on February 19, 2021, 11:40:40 AM
So Phase 5 sold on Saturday, Feb 27th?  One of my buyers may get a shot at one of these lots as they have been passed on the Phase 1 view lots in the past 2 phases. The other buyer is going to have to wait until Phase 6 or 7.

Why did your buyer pass up a phase 1 view lot?

I believe he meant Plan 1 view lots in phases 3 and 4. The Plan 1's have been the last to sell so far.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: shadyoc on February 19, 2021, 12:14:16 PM
So Phase 5 sold on Saturday, Feb 27th?  One of my buyers may get a shot at one of these lots as they have been passed on the Phase 1 view lots in the past 2 phases. The other buyer is going to have to wait until Phase 6 or 7.

Why did your buyer pass up a phase 1 view lot?

I believe he meant Plan 1 view lots in phases 3 and 4. The Plan 1's have been the last to sell so far.

Really, that is surprising since its the most functional.  It has 5 bed + office + conservatory,  lots of space.  Plus having the master bedroom with a view is nice.  The other two plans have their master bedroom on the side of the house which faces your neighbors.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on February 19, 2021, 06:07:43 PM
So Phase 5 sold on Saturday, Feb 27th?  One of my buyers may get a shot at one of these lots as they have been passed on the Phase 1 view lots in the past 2 phases. The other buyer is going to have to wait until Phase 6 or 7.

Why did your buyer pass up a phase 1 view lot?
So Phase 5 sold on Saturday, Feb 27th?  One of my buyers may get a shot at one of these lots as they have been passed on the Phase 1 view lots in the past 2 phases. The other buyer is going to have to wait until Phase 6 or 7.

Why did your buyer pass up a phase 1 view lot?

I believe he meant Plan 1 view lots in phases 3 and 4. The Plan 1's have been the last to sell so far.

Yes, my buyer passed on the Plan 1 view lots in Phase 3 and 4.  They got on the list right around end of August and should get a call on tomorrow but they don't like the Plan 1.  My other buyer who got on the list on Sept. 5th hasn't gotten any calls so they'll probably get a lot in Phase 6 and 7.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on February 19, 2021, 06:08:52 PM
So Phase 5 sold on Saturday, Feb 27th?  One of my buyers may get a shot at one of these lots as they have been passed on the Phase 1 view lots in the past 2 phases. The other buyer is going to have to wait until Phase 6 or 7.

Why did your buyer pass up a phase 1 view lot?

I believe he meant Plan 1 view lots in phases 3 and 4. The Plan 1's have been the last to sell so far.

Really, that is surprising since its the most functional.  It has 5 bed + office + conservatory,  lots of space.  Plus having the master bedroom with a view is nice.  The other two plans have their master bedroom on the side of the house which faces your neighbors.

Both of my 2 buyers who are near the top of the list don't like the Plan 1 because the living area seem very small for the size of the home.  I think they'll both take either a Plan 2 or 3.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on February 20, 2021, 10:34:46 AM
Good luck and congrats to those who got homes today.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Eyespii on February 20, 2021, 02:21:45 PM
Have all the lots been sold yet?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on February 20, 2021, 02:53:27 PM
Have all the lots been sold yet?

Yup, my buyer got a call for one of the Plan 3 view lots but they passed because it was above their comfort zone.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on February 20, 2021, 04:02:55 PM
Have all the lots been sold yet?

Never underestimate how many or how much people will pay to be at the end of the street
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Eyespii on February 20, 2021, 05:15:01 PM
About how long did it take to sell all the lots this time?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: scubasteve on February 20, 2021, 05:21:18 PM
About how long did it take to sell all the lots this time?

Just under 1.5 Hours; they notified those on the waitlist at 11:26am.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Coco55 on February 20, 2021, 07:18:24 PM
That was fast. Got the email for the new phase release then another email shortly after that it’s sold out.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on February 20, 2021, 08:51:49 PM
That was fast. Got the email for the new phase release then another email shortly after that it’s sold out.

They're suppose to send the phase release about a week before and pricing a day or so after.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: cghirvine on February 23, 2021, 06:20:14 PM
Yes I’m curious if other Shea buyers had to google product numbers to see what certain options look like because the builder did not bother to include pictures in its catalog (which is actually a dropbox link containing random and sometimes outdated slides), or whether they were scolded for not making an appointment to get a quick measurement.

So to clarify for all the people that asked here, it sounds like your issues are:

1. The Design Center not being helpful and giving you details of upgrade options
2. Being scolded for dropping by the models for a measurement


I am buying at Cetara and this is my second new construction home, so I'm somewhat familiar with what to expect. I'm the kind of person that doesn't leave anything to chance if I can help it, so I did all my own research on the options and had very detailed questions to ask the office and design center.

I also had low expectations for Shea and their staff. I know first hand how hard it is to run a business during Covid, so their hands are tied on certain things or they have to follow procedures that may not make sense to everyone. I don't like zoom calls or making appointments, but this is our reality right now.

I have found Leslie to be helpful and by far the most knowledgeable person at the office. She is very responsive to emails (aside from the first two weeks after model opening) and I have no issues with her. The others have not been as helpful or knowledgeable but everyone has been friendly and there's been no rudeness towards me from anyone.

The design center experience is tough, because in my mind it's all about the designer you're assigned. Mine was pretty good, but certainly could have been better. Email responses take days/weeks and they just don't have all the info I need. As I mentioned, I did my own research and asked detailed questions. It's too big of a purchase to let someone lead me blindly.

One question I asked of the designer was if the multi-gen suite was not selected, would the downstairs shower have a bench? This mattered to me because of the option for a soap niche, which I wouldn't need if there was a bench. My designer said she asked and there is NO bench, despite the floorplan showing one. Now that construction is well underway of homesites, I found that they are definitely building a bench in that shower. So either my designer didn't ask and lied to me or Shea doesn't have their stuff together.

Similar for the floorplan showing two water heaters. I said the model has one, but the floorplan shows two. I was told the floorplan is incorrect. I believe there's only one, as modeled.

I consider these to be little things. Yes, we're spending $2m on a home and I would hope that it comes with a premium experience. At the same time, I'm fine as long as I (mostly) get what I want out of it. If that means doing some legwork, I've been fine with it. But it certainly has not been a "premium" experience, whatever that means.

Those are my 2 cents.

Agree with you on the lack of premium anything (except on some of the option prices).

My examples were meant to be illustrative - unfortunately my issues with the Shea experience go beyond pretty pictures or bruised feelings. I’m just new to this site and not totally comfortable going into detail yet.

Anyway, after my original post, I’ve been contacted by a few new neighbors-to-be, so that’s been cool. Frustration and stress with Shea notwithstanding, I look forward to seeing all of you around the ‘hood.

I agree with you. This is our 5th new build house & we always enjoyed time  at Design Center with other builders; however, with Cetara Shea Design Center, we left with stress & frustration. My spouse refused to attend the next meeting :(
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: seaturtle on February 23, 2021, 10:32:32 PM
Their incompetence+rigidity would be comical in any other instance.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Darkcircle on February 25, 2021, 09:26:41 AM
What’s the next new construction to get in with a better view? I suppose some buyers like myself will be moving on to something else instead of dropping 2M+ Just to be surrounded by neighbors :)
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on February 25, 2021, 10:13:57 AM
Their incompetence+rigidity would be comical in any other instance.

hawksbill is my favorite

What’s the next new construction to get in with a better view? I suppose some buyers like myself will be moving on to something else instead of dropping 2M+ Just to be surrounded by neighbors :)

Portola Springs coming up, currently Genoa has lots with semi decent hill/orchard views
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: irvineboy on February 25, 2021, 06:00:21 PM
Do you think there will be standing inventory now that it’s interior lots?

I don’t know if I agree with the $2m surrounded by neighbors comment.  Wasn’t Amelia and Lucca all back to back interior lots in the $2m+ price range?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on February 25, 2021, 06:32:32 PM
Do you think there will be standing inventory now that it’s interior lots?

I don’t know if I agree with the $2m surrounded by neighbors comment.  Wasn’t Amelia and Lucca all back to back interior lots in the $2m+ price range?

This is TI, that comment will always be made. Now when I send out txt that I have an Amelia/Lucca it's literally instant offers.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Darkcircle on February 25, 2021, 06:46:14 PM
Do you think there will be standing inventory now that it’s interior lots?

I don’t know if I agree with the $2m surrounded by neighbors comment.  Wasn’t Amelia and Lucca all back to back interior lots in the $2m+ price range?

Correct I don’t agree with my comment either ;D With the 2m price tag + all the upgrades needed to be made (also notoriously overpriced with Shea) + landscape, the house would end up 2.5m+ for an interior lot. There will be plenty of options elsewhere.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: btcETH on February 26, 2021, 09:49:54 AM
Hey, we are only supposed to celebrate every price increase and cheer everything is reasonable here ;)

Do you think there will be standing inventory now that it’s interior lots?

I don’t know if I agree with the $2m surrounded by neighbors comment.  Wasn’t Amelia and Lucca all back to back interior lots in the $2m+ price range?

Correct I don’t agree with my comment either ;D With the 2m price tag + all the upgrades needed to be made (also notoriously overpriced with Shea) + landscape, the house would end up 2.5m+ for an interior lot. There will be plenty of options elsewhere.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: JadedOne on February 26, 2021, 02:07:12 PM
It looks like the floor plans on Shea's website for Cetara has been updated with additional options. For example, Plan 1 and 2 have Outdoor Kitchen options and Plan 3 has a Prep Kitchen option. I don't recall these being available before.

Does anyone have pricing on these new options?
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Nguyen80 on February 26, 2021, 03:22:55 PM
My old options I got a while ago has those on there. Maybe it’s just the website that was updated.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: cghirvine on February 26, 2021, 11:31:27 PM
It looks like the floor plans on Shea's website for Cetara has been updated with additional options. For example, Plan 1 and 2 have Outdoor Kitchen options and Plan 3 has a Prep Kitchen option. I don't recall these being available before.

Does anyone have pricing on these new options?
The Prep Kitchen ~23K
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on February 27, 2021, 04:52:47 PM
It looks like the floor plans on Shea's website for Cetara has been updated with additional options. For example, Plan 1 and 2 have Outdoor Kitchen options and Plan 3 has a Prep Kitchen option. I don't recall these being available before.

Does anyone have pricing on these new options?

DM or email me Ill send you updated options pdfs
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Coco55 on March 01, 2021, 06:09:28 PM
Yes you’re right my husband got the email the week prior.

That was fast. Got the email for the new phase release then another email shortly after that it’s sold out.

They're suppose to send the phase release about a week before and pricing a day or so after.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: new2home on March 03, 2021, 06:44:00 PM
Hi all,

I am novice to new construction buying. We just got on to the priority list. I have a question. How much deposit we are expected to put down to sign purchase agreement?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Dr. CA Real Estate on March 03, 2021, 07:04:05 PM
Hi all,

I am novice to new construction buying. We just got on to the priority list. I have a question. How much deposit we are expected to put down to sign purchase agreement?

Thank you.

3% is your rough guide for anywhere in socal.
Title: Re: Cetara Orchard Hills The Groves Shea Homes
Post by: Eyespii on March 03, 2021, 07:23:17 PM
Hi all,

I am novice to new construction buying. We just got on to the priority list. I have a question. How much deposit we are expected to put down to sign purchase agreement?

Thank you.

$50k.
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