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Title: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 21, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
CNBC Article: CDC confirms first US case of coronavirus that has killed 6 in China

Public health officials have confirmed the first U.S. case of a mysterious coronavirus that has already killed at least six people and sickened hundreds of others in China, the CDC says.

A male traveler from China has been diagnosed in Snohomish County, Washington State with the Wuhan coronavirus, according to the CDC.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that usually infect animals but can sometimes evolve and spread to humans. Symptoms in humans include fever, coughing and shortness of breath, which can progress to pneumonia.

Chinese authorities say many of the patients with the new illness had come into contact with seafood markets, suggesting the virus is spreading from animals to people. However, health officials say some "limited human-to-human transmission" occurred between close contacts.

People can protect themselves from the virus by washing their hands with soap and water, avoid touching eyes, nose or mouth and keeping away from sick people, according to the CDC. Many people in China have purchased face masks to protect themselves from the outbreak.

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/21/cdc-to-announce-first-us-case-of-china-coronavirus-that-has-killed-6-cnn-reports.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on January 21, 2020, 02:11:21 PM
Meanwhile for the first week of January, Influenza in the USA killed 214, seven of them children and pushed another 2200 into death via pneumonia.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 21, 2020, 05:01:02 PM
CNN Exclusive: This may explain the spread of China's new virus

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/01/20/china-wuhan-origin-of-coronavirus-lu-stout-pkg-vpx.cnn

Click the video in the link. Shows video of the various animals in cages. Warning images maybe disturbing.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Rizdak on January 26, 2020, 07:27:07 PM
Coronavirus is now in OC.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/01/26/coronavirus-patients-confirmed-in-los-angeles-and-orange-counties/amp/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: curious george on January 26, 2020, 07:37:16 PM
it's in Irvine.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zovall on January 26, 2020, 07:58:51 PM
See post by IHS
https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,17198.msg357918.html#msg357918
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 26, 2020, 08:52:14 PM
Fox News: Do surgical masks protect against coronavirus?

But the question remains: Do surgical masks really work?
“Surgical masks will not prevent your acquiring diseases,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University, and the medical director of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases, to Fox News.

Rather, he explained, surgical masks are typically used by surgeons to protect their patients from their mouth-borne germs —  but “those masks don't work to prevent inhaling diseases,” said Schaffner.

The masks, which cover the nose and mouth, are often made from a flimsy material and aren’t fitted to the face. In other words, spaces and gaps can form around the cheeks and edges of the mouth, making it easy for air to move in and out.

A more protective mask, known as an N-95 respirator, may be more effective, said Schaffner.  But, he noted, a non-medical professional using this mask is likely not using it correctly, doing little to prevent the spread of illness or inhaling a disease.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/do-surgical-masks-protect-against-coronavirus



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on January 26, 2020, 09:21:56 PM
All pharmacies in irvine are out of masks btw...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on January 27, 2020, 05:51:49 AM
Checked Home Depot and as of yesterday, Home Depot was sold out of N95 masks at store and online.  But I am sure they will try to restock. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on January 27, 2020, 05:58:10 AM
Statement from Superintendent of IUSD:

"Dear IUSD Community,

You may have heard news reports about a new coronavirus that has caused an outbreak of a respiratory illness and that there has been a confirmed case in Orange County. We understand this may be a source of concern for our community and ask that you read the following important information.

Overview

The first known cases of 2019-nCoV — short for “2019 novel coronavirus” — were reported in December in the Chinese city of Wuhan. Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that cause respiratory illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as MERS. A novel coronavirus — often shown as “nCoV” — is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.

The Orange County Health Care Agency (OCHCA) says the risk for school children in Orange County is minimal. Internationally the illness has primarily affected adults – elderly patients with pre-existing conditions.

According to the OCHCA, the Coronavirus is spread, similarly to other illnesses like the flu and common cold, through coughing or sneezing by those who already have it. Symptoms can include fever, coughing and difficulty breathing.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and OCHCA Guidance

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the OCHCA recommends taking these daily precautions for this or any other illness:

Travelers who are sick should stay home and call health care providers.

If you have recently been to Wuhan, China and have developed fever with cough or shortness of breath within 14 days of your travel or have had contact with someone who is suspected to have novel coronavirus stay home and call your health care provider immediately. If you do not have a healthcare provider or if you need to be seen at a hospital, do not go directly to the hospital. Please call the emergency room to get instructions before going in.

Stay home when you are sick.

Stay home from work and school and try to avoid errands when you are sick. This will help prevent spreading the illness to others.

“Students and staff with influenza symptoms including a fever, a cough or sore throat should stay home and not attend classes or participate in other group activities for at least 24 hours after the fever resolves without the use of fever-reducing medications,” says Pamela Kahn, Orange County Department of Education’s coordinator of Health and Wellness.

Avoid close contact.

Avoid close contact with people who are sick. When you are sick, keep your distance from others to protect them from getting sick too.

Cover your mouth and nose.

Cover your mouth and nose with a tissue when coughing or sneezing. It may prevent those around you from getting sick. Flu and other serious respiratory illnesses, like respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), whooping cough, and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), are spread by coughing, sneezing or unclean hands.

Clean your hands.

Washing your hands often will help protect you from germs. If soap and water are not available, use an alcohol-based hand rub. Here is a three-minute video from the CDC about proper hand washing:

Practice other good health habits.

Clean and disinfect frequently touched surfaces at home, work or school, especially when someone is ill. Get plenty of sleep, be physically active, manage your stress, drink plenty of fluids and eat nutritious food.

For more information, visit the Orange County Health Care Agency’s website at: ochealthinfo.com/phs/about/epidasmt/epi/dip/prevention/novel_coronavirus

IUSD Guidelines

If your child is sick, please follow these guidelines for when to keep your child home:

    A temperature of 100 degrees or above
    Students must be fever-free without fever-reducing medication (such as Tylenol or Motrin) for at least 24 hours before returning to school
    Vomiting and/or diarrhea. Student may return to school 24 hours after last episode
    Uncontrollable cough or wheezing or shortness of breath
    Suspected communicable disease (i.e. chicken pox)
    Suspected infections
    A rash of unknown origin – student may return to school when written authorization is received from the health care provider
    Students must stay home for the first 24 hours on antibiotic therapy

Next Steps

IUSD staff will continue to closely monitor this situation and work with the appropriate agencies. We will provide additional updates as needed.

Please know that the safety of students and staff is our top priority. If we all follow these important guidelines, we can help keep our community healthy. Please share this information with your family and caregivers. If language support is needed for this information, please see the following resources below.

Thank you in advance for your partnership.

Sincerely,

Terry Walker Signature

Terry L. Walker
Superintendent of Schools
Irvine Unified School District"

https://iusd.org/article/message-supt-walker-coronavirus-information-and-health-guidelines

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on January 27, 2020, 06:03:48 AM
China says coronavirus can spread before symptoms show

CNN - "China's health minister Ma Xiaowei made a startling statement Sunday about the Wuhan coronavirus: He said people can spread it before they become symptomatic.

"This is a game changer," said Dr. William Schaffner, a longtime adviser to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
It's much harder to contain a virus -- to track down a patient's contacts and quarantine them immediately -- if the patient was spreading the disease for days or weeks before they even realized they had it.

"It means the infection is much more contagious than we originally thought," said Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. "This is worse than we anticipated."

Ma didn't explain why he thinks the virus can be spread before someone has symptoms. If the Chinese health minister is right -- and there are those who doubt him -- that means the five confirmed cases in the United States might have been infectious while traveling from Wuhan to Arizona, California, Illinois and Washington state, even if they had no symptoms at the time.

On Sunday, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said the risk to the American public for contracting this virus continues to be low.

"We at CDC don't have clear evidence that patients are infectious before symptom onset, but we are actively investigating that possibility," Messonnier said.
"We need to be preparing as if this is a pandemic, but I continue to hope that it is not," she added.

The Wuhan coronavirus has killed more than 50 people in China and infected thousands there, and spread as far as the US, France and Canada.  ... "

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/26/health/coronavirus-spread-symptoms-chinese-officials/index.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on January 27, 2020, 07:05:30 AM
See post by IHS
https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,17198.msg357918.html#msg357918

I also received a similar Chinese info message in IHS’s post that was forwarded from a friend.  In that message, it stated the infected patient is a mom came to visit her kid here in Irvine.

However in OCR’s article posted earlier, it stated that the OC infected patient is a men in his 50s. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on January 27, 2020, 07:14:01 AM
See post by IHS
https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,17198.msg357918.html#msg357918

I also received a similar Chinese info message in IHS’s post that was forwarded from a friend.  In that message, it stated the infected patient is a mom came to visit her kid here in Irvine.

However in OCR’s article posted earlier, it stated that the OC infected patient is a men in his 50s.

Could be that the Health Officals have not yet confirmed that her illness is the Coronavirus and that if confirmed, she can be the 6th patient in USA?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 27, 2020, 10:13:19 AM
Checked Home Depot and as of yesterday, Home Depot was sold out of N95 masks at store and online.  But I am sure they will try to restock.

Wow! A seller on eBay is selling a box of N95 mask for $49.95 for a pack of 10. The retail price is around $18 to $20.

Update: I just saw another selling n95 masks (box of 10) for $100.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on January 27, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Corona dark beer with coronavirus pairs well together.

Anytime when fears are projected, I think it’s less about providing information than to profits.


 :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on January 27, 2020, 11:34:26 AM
Corona dark beer with coronavirus pairs well together.

Anytime when fears are projected, I think it’s less about providing information than to profits.


 :)

“2019 novel coronavirus” probably not good for profits at Novel Park.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on January 27, 2020, 11:46:02 AM
Fox News: Do surgical masks protect against coronavirus?

But the question remains: Do surgical masks really work?
“Surgical masks will not prevent your acquiring diseases,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University, and the medical director of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases, to Fox News.

Rather, he explained, surgical masks are typically used by surgeons to protect their patients from their mouth-borne germs —  but “those masks don't work to prevent inhaling diseases,” said Schaffner.

The masks, which cover the nose and mouth, are often made from a flimsy material and aren’t fitted to the face. In other words, spaces and gaps can form around the cheeks and edges of the mouth, making it easy for air to move in and out.

A more protective mask, known as an N-95 respirator, may be more effective, said Schaffner.  But, he noted, a non-medical professional using this mask is likely not using it correctly, doing little to prevent the spread of illness or inhaling a disease.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/do-surgical-masks-protect-against-coronavirus


Note that in hospitals where staff treats infected patients, they are in protective coverall/suit with mask, glove, and goggles.

There are many web sites and articles on the effectiveness of surgical and N95 masks.  In short it's not a perfect solution, but helps somewhat.  If you're going to order the mask, Grainger and MSC Industrial will have bigger selection than Home Depot.


https://www.grainger.com/search?searchQuery=n95%20respirators&suggestConfigId=6&searchBar=true

https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/?searchterm=N95&hdrsrh=true

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 27, 2020, 12:24:44 PM
I guess you don’t have to look too far for people wearing masks. I just saw multiple people wearing masks at a big retail store. (One customer in the store and another customer leaving the store in the parking lot)  :D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 27, 2020, 12:46:54 PM
I just went to a store at the district and the person told me that they our out of masks. (Looks like the demand is high)
* I don’t know if it’s true or not.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dresden215 on January 27, 2020, 01:26:18 PM
Seems to be accelerating quickly:

 https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047813/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-medical-experts-call (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047813/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-medical-experts-call)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on January 27, 2020, 02:28:48 PM
So anyone knows how the disease first broke out? Is it from animals?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: paydawg on January 27, 2020, 03:07:42 PM
So anyone knows how the disease first broke out? Is it from animals?

Have you seen the recent videos on Twitter of restaurants serving up bat and live mice in China?  I'm guessing that might be the first place to look. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 27, 2020, 03:10:38 PM
So anyone knows how the disease first broke out? Is it from animals?

Have you seen the recent videos on Twitter of restaurants serving up bat and live mice in China?  I'm guessing that might be the first place to look.

So you happen to have a link?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: mads on January 27, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
First, for perspective, "CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths from flu". Get your flu shots, people.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm)
The genome of the coronavirus is reported to be 80-90% identical to the one found in bats.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/24/dna-sleuths-read-coronavirus-genome-tracing-origins-and-mutations/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/24/dna-sleuths-read-coronavirus-genome-tracing-origins-and-mutations/)
Its also reported now that the infection may have started elsewhere and then spread through the wet market.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 27, 2020, 04:31:58 PM
So anyone knows how the disease first broke out? Is it from animals?

Have you seen the recent videos on Twitter of restaurants serving up bat and live mice in China?  I'm guessing that might be the first place to look.

I found the video that you were talking about. (Warning viewer discretion advised)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10813308/disgusting-moment-chinese-man-dips-still-wriggling-baby-mice-in-sauce-before-eating-them-alive/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on January 27, 2020, 10:47:31 PM
The Chinese need to stop eating all these wild animals and shit that cause this stuff. All of these damn diseases always seem to start in China.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on January 28, 2020, 07:21:41 AM
The Chinese need to stop eating all these wild animals and shit that cause this stuff. All of these damn diseases always seem to start in China.

Same reason why certain Hollywood zombie movie depicted China as the ground zero of zombie apocalypse. 



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 28, 2020, 08:13:00 AM
Yes .... Every new virus should be monitored.

Yes .... The Wuhan Coronavirus may be significant.

Yes.... Some perspective is needed to frame the significance of this outbreak:

As noted earlier

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Wuhan Coronavirus - 150-1,000 dead
Current influenza strain - 8,000 approx dead.

So, yeah it's scary but seems more of a media story than a medical one.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on January 28, 2020, 08:30:35 AM

Because previous outbreaks were linked to bats -- SARS-CoV to Horseshoe bats in Yunnan and MERS-Cov to Egyptian tomb bats (also infecting camels) in ME and Africa, the assumption is that the current outbreak also originated from bats (and possibly snakes that ate the bats).

However, because the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market in Wuhan had already been closed, cleared and disinfected since Jan 1st, there's nothing left to sample/test.  It's suspected that the outbreak actually started in Nov 2019 from elsewhere before spreading to the Seafood market.

Right now there is simply way too much rumors and disinformation being spread on the internet.  It will take months before they sort this out.  In the mean time, be prepared for scenario where you may have to stay home.  Stock up on food, water, medicine, and necessities.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 28, 2020, 09:38:23 AM

Right now there is simply way too much rumors and disinformation being spread on the internet.  It will take months before they sort this out.  In the mean time, be prepared for scenario where you may have to stay home.  Stock up on food, water, medicine, and necessities.

I dont think there is disinformation going on TI. It seems to me that people are simply concerned. Its a friendly conversation about protective gear, exotic animals for sale, and interesting consumption habits.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Maserson on January 28, 2020, 02:11:23 PM
N95s aren’t really helpful without a fit test. Ie choose the right size and stick your head in a hood and spray the testing agent.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on January 28, 2020, 03:12:09 PM
I have pallet of various size N95 masks in my garage. I will custom fit you for mask and box of 10 for TI discounted price of $1,000  :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on January 28, 2020, 03:33:45 PM
Stay safe guys.

- Panda

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 28, 2020, 04:21:03 PM
I have pallet of various size N95 masks in my garage. I will custom fit you for mask and box of 10 for TI discounted price of $1,000  :)

On eBay I just saw a listing for n95 masks for $2k for a box of 10. Also there are other listings for $1k.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on January 28, 2020, 04:28:01 PM
Wonderful, see...it goes to show when you have enough fears, there is always money to be made. >:D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: misme on January 28, 2020, 07:49:44 PM
Just saw this post from a buddy of mine in Irvine. Stay safe guys.

- Panda

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/kfbs2uclj4yvdip/virus.jpg?raw=1)

This is hearsay. I have professional connections at this hospital and other area hospitals, the patient is NOT at Kaiser Irvine. The patient is at another area hospital, which I will not disclose. The only official confirmed OC patient is a MAN in his 50s.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on January 28, 2020, 09:06:23 PM
Just saw this post from a buddy of mine in Irvine. Stay safe guys.

- Panda

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/kfbs2uclj4yvdip/virus.jpg?raw=1)

This is hearsay. I have professional connections at this hospital and other area hospitals, the patient is NOT at Kaiser Irvine. The patient is at another area hospital, which I will not disclose. The only official confirmed OC patient is a MAN in his 50s.

We don’t know if that story is true yet. Some say it is, some say it’s fake. But we all should be careful no matter what the truth is here. Stay warm.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on January 29, 2020, 02:35:51 PM
Panic and hoarding of N95 masks could have a negative impact on healthcare workers:

Mask Hoarders Are Raising Risk of a Coronavirus Outbreak in the U.S.
Stores are selling out of masks, and health care workers risk infection if they cannot get the protective gear.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/health/coronavirus-masks-hoarding.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 29, 2020, 02:45:35 PM
Those paper masks aren't going to help, you gotta go full Mando:

(https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/59e703ab0a332a1463171ebb-large.jpg?cache_buster=80db686a9cd5e0268d3062befa5da0f9)

"This is the way."
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on January 29, 2020, 03:20:27 PM
You can buy the military surplus gas masks at Major Surplus & Survival in Gardena.  On checkout ask for the boss and see if they still give "Atlas Shelter" discounts.  The old mil-surplus masks tend to have terrible visibility, expired filters and many are not compatible with standard 40mm filters, so buyer beware.

You can buy new "full face" protective masks and filters made for industrial safety made by companies like Mestel.  They have much better visibility but are expensive (new).  Be aware that the filters cost $40-$80+ each and have typical shelf life of 5-10+ years.  Depending on the filter and nature of threat, each cartridge may last as short as 15 mins (for emergency escape filters) to 24 hours (military grade).

For more information, see:
https://www.mirasafety.com/blogs/news/gas-mask-buyers-guide


Please note that wearing full face protective masks and protective gear may provoke panic, so it's not something that you want to put on unless if situation is dire.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dresden215 on January 29, 2020, 04:18:14 PM
How about these DIY versions. There needs to be a fashion show!

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7942159/Nervous-Chinese-travellers-pictured-wearing-face-masks-plastic-bottles.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7942159/Nervous-Chinese-travellers-pictured-wearing-face-masks-plastic-bottles.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on January 29, 2020, 04:46:16 PM
Let me help you out.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/29/10/24025668-7942159-image-a-21_1580294057525.jpg)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on January 29, 2020, 05:12:22 PM
The next headlines news, suffocation from wearing plastic bottles and plastic bags quadrupled the number in comparison to the coronavirus death.

The new out break is not wearing the plastic bottles properly.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zovall on January 29, 2020, 05:34:55 PM
Corona Virus Tracker from Johns Hopkins:
https://arcg.is/0fHmTX
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on January 30, 2020, 09:14:20 AM
When the statistic says "recovered" I guess that means the person got it and now is infection free.
Does that mean they won't get it again?

Also, the site shows the 2 CA confirmed cases are near Fresno.  So the Irvine thing is a hoax?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on January 30, 2020, 09:53:25 AM
When the statistic says "recovered" I guess that means the person got it and now is infection free.
Does that mean they won't get it again?

Also, the site shows the 2 CA confirmed cases are near Fresno.  So the Irvine thing is a hoax?

Irvine thing was a hoax. Although there was a confirmed case in OC, that whole story of a Woodbridge woman with a daughter at IVC was fake. Just like the landfill trash gravy that causes odors at PS was fake. Man... so many fake news... I'm not sure why they say it's at Fresno though. Maybe that was the first or the final hospital record is at? But who knows? with so many fake news at hands, maybe that Irvine rumor is the real thing and all the rest is fake! Pick your pill.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: mads on January 30, 2020, 09:55:56 AM
Thats a software glitch in the tracker, it shows data by the state and doesn't go more local.https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article239697478.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article239697478.html)

As for whether someone who's recovered is now immune to it, i guess they are still establishing that. Its likely to be similar to how the flu virus keeps developing into different strains and why there is a keen interest in developing a universal flu vaccine.

This article should help as a handy guide to updates on the coronavirus- https://www.cnet.com/how-to/coronavirus-cases-spike-to-over-7700-death-toll-rises-everything-we-know/ (https://www.cnet.com/how-to/coronavirus-cases-spike-to-over-7700-death-toll-rises-everything-we-know/)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 30, 2020, 10:05:44 AM
Isn't this how the 2nd rebooted Planet of the Apes starts?

Or 28 Days Later?

A virus from animals... first swine/birds... now this.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 30, 2020, 10:10:37 AM
How about these DIY versions. There needs to be a fashion show!

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7942159/Nervous-Chinese-travellers-pictured-wearing-face-masks-plastic-bottles.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7942159/Nervous-Chinese-travellers-pictured-wearing-face-masks-plastic-bottles.html)

Villages across China are BARRICADING themselves in with brick walls and creating make-shift checkpoints to stop outsiders spreading the killer coronavirus rapidly sweeping across the country

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7937951/Villages-China-BARRICADING-brick-walls.html

 

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on January 30, 2020, 12:07:55 PM
Isn't this how the 2nd rebooted Planet of the Apes starts?

Or 28 Days Later?



A virus from animals... first swine/birds... now this.

Meanwhile, influenza is on track to kill 36,000 in the USA this year and a half million worldwide on a pretty mild typical year.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kings on January 30, 2020, 12:25:36 PM
Isn't this how the 2nd rebooted Planet of the Apes starts?

Or 28 Days Later?



A virus from animals... first swine/birds... now this.

Meanwhile, influenza is on track to kill 36,000 in the USA this year and a half million worldwide on a pretty mild typical year.

yeah but influenza is boring.

a couple hundred people dying from the coronavirus ? oooh baby, that gets media moguls hot and horny
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on January 30, 2020, 12:37:38 PM
It's all what our beloved trustful media wants us to think and live by.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on January 31, 2020, 12:13:28 PM
I came across this video.  Seems legit.
Watch til the end..it gets emotional.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AI3R41dGnU&feature=youtu.be&t=395 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AI3R41dGnU&feature=youtu.be&t=395)



He reminds of the guy standing in front of the line of tanks in 1989
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on January 31, 2020, 12:54:02 PM
Trump just shut down the border to ALL foreign nationals traveling in China during the last 14 days! The wall starts at 5pm EST Sunday.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on January 31, 2020, 12:56:29 PM
Trump just shut down the border to ALL foreign nationals traveling in China during the last 14 days! The wall starts at 5pm EST Sunday.

He should of done it long time ago. Stop playing golf!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on January 31, 2020, 03:48:09 PM
Airbnb offering special 15% off discount for Wuhan rentals.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/airbnb-hosts-coronavirus-epicenter-staying-175246447.html

Kayak.com special sale New York to Hong Kong only $186 (flight has stop over in Wuhan).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hong-kong-york-flight-sells-070534063.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on January 31, 2020, 04:36:38 PM
Airbnb offering special 15% off discount for Wuhan rentals.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/airbnb-hosts-coronavirus-epicenter-staying-175246447.html

Kayak.com special sale New York to Hong Kong only $186 (flight has stop over in Wuhan).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hong-kong-york-flight-sells-070534063.html

Kayak failed to mention the FREE 14 day quarantine for all US citizens upon return from Wuhan.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on January 31, 2020, 05:40:08 PM
Two weeks of free room and boards, not bad at all.

Zub you need to translate that video, the man is clearly distraught.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on February 03, 2020, 09:18:21 AM
Hit CC on the bottom right of the video.  It is already translated.


at the end he says "Corona virus in front of me, CCP in back of me, fuck the communist party!"
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on February 04, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
This could be first pediatric case in US. The child is part of the Wuhan quarantine group in Riverside County.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-02-04/child-under-coronavirus-quarantine-in-riverside-county-is-taken-to-hospital-with-fever
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on February 04, 2020, 11:58:49 PM
Two more chartered flights coming from Wuhan to March AFB, Riverside will land early Wednesday morning.

You can track them here:
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight/ZHHH/KRIV
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on February 05, 2020, 11:18:59 AM
Looks like the flights were diverted to Travis AFB in NorCal. One flight will be quarantined there and others will fly on to Miramar Air Station in San Diego.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/north-bay/quarantined-americans-from-china-arrive-at-travis-afb-in-fairfield/2227552/

Two more chartered flights coming from Wuhan to March AFB, Riverside will land early Wednesday morning.

You can track them here:
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight/ZHHH/KRIV
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 05, 2020, 11:22:31 AM
Maybe they should of sent them to Guam in the first place. You can come to a US territory, but come to the US mainland once your cleared.

Looks like the flights were diverted to Travis AFB in NorCal. One flight will be quarantined there and others will fly on to Miramar Air Station in San Diego.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/north-bay/quarantined-americans-from-china-arrive-at-travis-afb-in-fairfield/2227552/

Two more chartered flights coming from Wuhan to March AFB, Riverside will land early Wednesday morning.

You can track them here:
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight/ZHHH/KRIV
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on February 05, 2020, 03:51:34 PM
There's conflicting information on if the evacuated folks would be kept for 14 days in quarantine, or as little as 3 days plus "voluntary self quarantine at home".  The assumption here is that the virus incubation period is 5-7 days, so 14 day quarantine is supposed to be effective.  But you should be prepared just in case.  In worse case we may have to stay home.

At minimum you should consider stocking drinking water, food, medicine, and other necessities for at least 2 weeks.  In addition, you should prep 72 hours "bug out bags" in case if you had to leave your residence.  The Red Cross web site has recommendations on what you should prep for 3 day pack.  Don't forget cash, in an emergency the bank will not be open, and the ATM may be empty or not running (power outage).

The LDS Church (I am not a member) recommends long-term emergency supply of food, water, and funds for at least 3 months.  They have many articles on their web site if you're interested, they also sell freeze dried #10 can foods with 30 year shelf life at very reasonable prices.

Many people will run to local military surplus stores to buy stuff.  We have many in the area, including Major Surplus and Survival in Gardena, Prep & Save in Upload, and All American Military Surplus in Fullerton & Stanton.  Those stores are good for some stuff but I would caution against buying stuff like mil-surplus gas masks/filters/etc.  The old military style masks have poor visibility and the filter cartridges do expire.   Don't get hooked into buying some NBC kit with old gas mask and expired filter/iodine pills.

Remember -- before you spend money, look around the house.  You may already have the items that you need.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 06, 2020, 08:35:01 AM
I don't understand.

Based on the numbers, regular flu is more harmful/deadly than coronavirus.

Why would we stay home for corona but not flu?

I don't remember ever having a flu shot in my life yet I'm in public places quite often without a mask... am I immune? I don't think so because I have had bouts of the flu just not often.

Are the symptoms of corona worse than the flu?

I do think I had H1N1 when that was "trendy"... that was probably the worse flu I ever had. I also had a nagging cough when that was a "thing" a few years ago. What can I expect if I catch corona?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on February 06, 2020, 09:14:29 AM
We have fairly well established vaccinations and treatments for the flu, but not coronavirus.  Although the fatality rate appears low, mass infections will result in significant number of deaths.  Take for example the Asian Flu (H2N2) and Hong Kong Flu (H3N2) of 1950s-1960s, both have death rates of under 0.2%.  But due to the high number of infections, they resulted in approx. 1 million deaths each.

For the elderly, pregnant, and those with compromised immune systems (diabeties), they will be at higher risk.

=========

Recently I have observed people trying to sell "bio-hazard suits" to army surplus stores in OC.  Please be aware that what you think the suits should look like does not imply specific function.  I used to work for So Cal Gas and we stocked these.  There's a variety of suits including disposable coveralls for industrial use to Hazmat suits of various levels.  Most of these have expiration dates and are single use.  The people peddling boxes of suits to surplus stores may be recyclers selling expired or even used products.  Yes used, not necessarily in emergencies but regular training sessions.

The protection levels of these coveralls and suits vary greatly.  Without knowing what you're buying or having specific training in its use, you might be wasting your money.  Wearing such gear may also provoke panic from general population.

For those looking to buy surgical masks and N95 masks on amazon. be aware that it's full of rogues trying to cash in right now.  Without detailed specs like product origin and ASTM ratings, who knows what you're getting.  Unfortunately reputable vendors like Grainger is back-ordered on these products, so it's a difficult situation.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2020, 09:31:25 AM
Did they link this virus to a bat?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 06, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
This Wuhan coronavirus could lead to pneumonia. That's pretty huge for children and elders.

Also influenza is all over the place now so minimizing spending time outside where it's too crowded is not a bad idea.

I wouldn't go far as wearing masks, but if that helps your mindfulness, then go ahead.

However, I do think the media is making a bigger deal than what it really is out of this coronavirus, especially from Asian medias.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2020, 10:00:49 AM
I’m not a health expert. There is no cure for this. (Maybe there is, but I’m not aware of it.)

If you think it’s not a problem then you should take advantage of the deals and travel to China right now.  >:D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 06, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
I’m not a health expert. There is no cure for this. (Maybe there is, but I’m not aware of it.)

If you think it’s not a problem then you should take advantage of the deals and travel to China right now.  >:D

But first, you have to want to travel to China. If no desire there, then no reason to go even with discounted flights whether there is virus or not.

BTW, who said it wasn't a big deal? I only said the media might be making a bigger deal than what it is.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
I%u2019m not a health expert. There is no cure for this. (Maybe there is, but I%u2019m not aware of it.)

If you think it%u2019s not a problem then you should take advantage of the deals and travel to China right now.  >:D

But first, you have to want to travel to China. If no desire there, then no reason to go even with discounted flights whether there is virus or not.

BTW, who said it wasn't a big deal? I only said the media might be making a bigger deal than what it is.

I was proving a point. Let%u2019s be honest you wouldn%u2019t go.
I think the media is informing the public. If it wasn%u2019t for the media people would go there like nothing is happening. In the mean time people would possibly get really sick.

Did you hear about the doctor that alerted his colleagues about SARS like symptoms are appearing again? The local police brought him in for questioning. Their government didn%u2019t take action until there was like an outbreak. Just think this could of been contained from the beginning.

Whats up with the 2019 if we use the apostrophe?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 06, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
Did they link this virus to a bat?

So we can blame qwerty. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2020, 11:35:56 AM
Did they link this virus to a bat?

So we can blame qwerty. :)

I love it! But he gave good advice. Read his previous post.  :D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on February 06, 2020, 09:03:10 PM
Did they link this virus to a bat?

So we can blame qwerty. :)

My sources have confirmed the bat was Asian not Mexican :-)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2020, 10:49:53 PM
Did they link this virus to a bat?

So we can blame qwerty. :)

My sources have confirmed the bat was Asian not Mexican :-)

That’s funny... No bat soup 4 u. jkjk
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2020, 11:09:01 PM
I just read a health.com article that researchers believe that the genetic code of 2019-nCoV may have come from bats. Then with further research the protein codes of 2019-nCoV are from snakes. So the theory in the article is that the virus jumped from bats to snakes to humans?

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-bat-soup

The article cites the Journal of Medical Virology
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.25682

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: freedomcm on February 07, 2020, 06:43:55 AM
Unfortunately, the fatality rate for 2019nCoV appears to be 0.2% (2/1000 infected, but data is still incomplete) versus a rate of 0.01% for normal seasonal flu (though the worst strains were similar to the 2019nCoV).

Fortunately, it does not appear to be killing pre-teens
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 07, 2020, 07:16:13 AM
The comparison of corona virus to the flu is not the same.
It’s better to compare this to SARS, MERS, or Ebola.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 07, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
Now they're saying the virus originally came from pangolins.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 07, 2020, 10:32:15 AM
Now they're saying the virus originally came from pangolins.

Put a ban to stop eating exotic animals.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 07, 2020, 10:33:44 AM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 07, 2020, 10:38:44 AM
Now they're saying the virus originally came from pangolins.

Put a ban to stop eating exotic animals.

Stick with beef, lamb, and chicken. OK, maybe pork time to time.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 07, 2020, 10:40:07 AM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 07, 2020, 10:42:10 AM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?

All of that!
Just imagine your on vacation on a cruise ship and that happened to you. What would you do? escape by small boat or swim with floater or stay on ship
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 07, 2020, 01:39:15 PM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?

All of that!
Just imagine your on vacation on a cruise ship and that happened to you. What would you do? escape by small boat or swim with floater or stay on ship

I would have cancelled the cruise vacation in the first place if this virus thing was around.

But if I was stuck there, the cruise probably would have refunded all our tickets and etc. plus times and days killed there. If they don't, then it is what it is. Complaining won't really get us anywhere.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 07, 2020, 01:49:52 PM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?

All of that!
Just imagine your on vacation on a cruise ship and that happened to you. What would you do? escape by small boat or swim with floater or stay on ship

I would have cancelled the cruise vacation in the first place if this virus thing was around.

But if I was stuck there, the cruise probably would have refunded all our tickets and etc. plus times and days killed there. If they don't, then it is what it is. Complaining won't really get us anywhere.

The diplomatic approach, but they are currently passengers stuck on the ship.

A contaminated prison': Scared, angry passengers are trapped on three cruise ships amid coronavirus outbreak

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/asia/us-coronavirus-victim-cruise-ship-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 07, 2020, 02:18:01 PM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?

All of that!
Just imagine your on vacation on a cruise ship and that happened to you. What would you do? escape by small boat or swim with floater or stay on ship

I would have cancelled the cruise vacation in the first place if this virus thing was around.

But if I was stuck there, the cruise probably would have refunded all our tickets and etc. plus times and days killed there. If they don't, then it is what it is. Complaining won't really get us anywhere.

The diplomatic approach, but they are currently passengers stuck on the ship.

A contaminated prison': Scared, angry passengers are trapped on three cruise ships amid coronavirus outbreak

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/asia/us-coronavirus-victim-cruise-ship-intl-hnk/index.html


Fox News article:Coronavirus outbreak: Passengers stranded on Japan cruise plead for help from Trump, say situation is 'desperate'

Passengers Milena Basso and her husband Gaetano Cerullo are calling for help from President Trump after being trapped on a Diamond Princess cruise ship off the coast of Japan with at least 61 positive cases of coronavirus.

The newlyweds -- on their honeymoon -- are two of more than 2,000 passengers who have been held on the ship since Tuesday.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/japan-coronavirus-cruise-ship-passengers-plead-for-help-from-president-trump
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on February 07, 2020, 03:35:49 PM
What's happening on the cruise ship is a good reminder that you should always be prepped if possible.  Keep emergency kits at home, in your car, at work, while traveling, etc.  Due to the quarantine, resupply to the cruise ship (or hotel) may be delayed.  When bottled water runs out you may have to boil tap water with the coffee maker.

Due to space and weight restrictions while traveling, you have to careful with what products to carry.  For emergency water filters, products such as "Lifestraw Go" ($36) and "Sawyer Personal water filtration bottle" ($38) have filter with 0.2 (Lifestraw) and 0.1 (Saywer) micron pores + water bottle.  The bottle itself can also be used to store additional supplies such as light/glow stick, small flashlight, band aids, alcohol wipes, etc. when not in use.

If you want something better, the LifeSaver water purifier products from UK cost $100-$200 and are equipped with 0.015 micron filters.  Note replacement filters cost $100 and have 10 year shelf life. 

For emergency rations, due to the short duration of the trip, protein bars and snack bars will probably suffice.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 07, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
What's happening on the cruise ship is a good reminder that you should always be prepped if possible.  Keep emergency kits at home, in your car, at work, while traveling, etc.  Due to the quarantine, resupply to the cruise ship (or hotel) may be delayed.  When bottled water runs out you may have to boil tap water with the coffee maker.

Due to space and weight restrictions while traveling, you have to careful with what products to carry.  For emergency water filters, products such as "Lifestraw Go" ($36) and "Sawyer Personal water filtration bottle" ($38) have filter with 0.2 (Lifestraw) and 0.1 (Saywer) micron pores + water bottle.  The bottle itself can also be used to store additional supplies such as light/glow stick, small flashlight, band aids, alcohol wipes, etc. when not in use.

If you want something better, the LifeSaver water purifier products from UK cost $100-$200 and are equipped with 0.015 micron filters.  Note replacement filters cost $100 and have 10 year shelf life. 

For emergency rations, due to the short duration of the trip, protein bars and snack bars will probably suffice.

More like if you go on a cruise consider bringing the following: mask, gloves, wetsuit, life vest, a small floatable board. (To make an escape?)

[hypothetical: for entertainment only]
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Goriot on February 07, 2020, 08:21:17 PM

Just cancelled my 8 day cruise trip that was planned for March 14th today.   The travel agency said it is crazy times right now with so many cancellations and major delay in processing these requests.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 08, 2020, 09:15:50 AM

Just cancelled my 8 day cruise trip that was planned for March 14th today.   The travel agency said it is crazy times right now with so many cancellations and major delay in processing these requests.

Good job. Takes action! You can’t trust nobody.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 09, 2020, 08:48:50 AM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?

All of that!
Just imagine your on vacation on a cruise ship and that happened to you. What would you do? escape by small boat or swim with floater or stay on ship

I would have cancelled the cruise vacation in the first place if this virus thing was around.

But if I was stuck there, the cruise probably would have refunded all our tickets and etc. plus times and days killed there. If they don't, then it is what it is. Complaining won't really get us anywhere.

If it ain’t right, you have to complain. Maybe you will let them walk over you, but not me. Money is worthless if you are stuck on the ship with the virus.  ;)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dresden215 on February 09, 2020, 10:00:59 AM
Had to use Google Translate but it appears that this funeral home in Hubei is cremating 316 bodies a day and can’t keep up! The CCP is obviously hiding the true death count. If this virus hits Beijing, game over!

 https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/3062144 (https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/3062144)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 10, 2020, 08:23:23 AM
With so many of the Chinese industries shut down... there may be an understatement of how bad this is in China.

I was joking about this before but maybe this is the event that will take down housing.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 10, 2020, 09:16:11 AM
With so many of the Chinese industries shut down... there may be an understatement of how bad this is in China.

I was joking about this before but maybe this is the event that will take down housing.

But Irvine housing isn't going to be affected as much by Chinese, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 10, 2020, 09:17:46 AM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?

All of that!
Just imagine your on vacation on a cruise ship and that happened to you. What would you do? escape by small boat or swim with floater or stay on ship

I would have cancelled the cruise vacation in the first place if this virus thing was around.

But if I was stuck there, the cruise probably would have refunded all our tickets and etc. plus times and days killed there. If they don't, then it is what it is. Complaining won't really get us anywhere.

If it ain’t right, you have to complain. Maybe you will let them walk over you, but not me. Money is worthless if you are stuck on the ship with the virus.  ;)

So what would you do if that happened to you?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on February 10, 2020, 10:46:14 AM
The cruise ship is a good example of best intentions making it worse.  You enclosed people in a petri dish with ill.  The Chinese quarantines are the same.  Basically its like being closed up in a house with family members that have the flu.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 10, 2020, 10:58:05 AM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?

All of that!
Just imagine your on vacation on a cruise ship and that happened to you. What would you do? escape by small boat or swim with floater or stay on ship

I would have cancelled the cruise vacation in the first place if this virus thing was around.

But if I was stuck there, the cruise probably would have refunded all our tickets and etc. plus times and days killed there. If they don't, then it is what it is. Complaining won't really get us anywhere.

If it ain’t right, you have to complain. Maybe you will let them walk over you, but not me. Money is worthless if you are stuck on the ship with the virus.  ;)

So what would you do if that happened to you?

Hypothetical for entertainment purposes: Escape
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 10, 2020, 11:13:30 AM
With so many of the Chinese industries shut down... there may be an understatement of how bad this is in China.

I was joking about this before but maybe this is the event that will take down housing.

But Irvine housing isn't going to be affected as much by Chinese, wouldn't you say?

Fed Warns Virus Poses ‘New Risk’ to Global Growth, Markets

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-07/fed-warns-virus-poses-new-risk-to-global-growth-and-markets

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on February 10, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
It's probably a good time to book a future cruise. There must be a ton of Coronavirus discounts going on.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 10, 2020, 11:20:43 AM
It's probably a good time to book a future cruise. There must be a ton of Coronavirus discounts going on.

I like his out of the box thinking. But I will stay away.
I%u2019m not an expert on ships, but I don%u2019t know which cruise ships were effected by the virus. Do they bleach all rooms and  ducts? (Is that even possible?)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 10, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
With so many of the Chinese industries shut down... there may be an understatement of how bad this is in China.

I was joking about this before but maybe this is the event that will take down housing.

But Irvine housing isn't going to be affected as much by Chinese, wouldn't you say?

Different scenario than FCB buying power.

This could turn into an economic crisis.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 10, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
With so many of the Chinese industries shut down... there may be an understatement of how bad this is in China.

I was joking about this before but maybe this is the event that will take down housing.

But Irvine housing isn't going to be affected as much by Chinese, wouldn't you say?

Different scenario than FCB buying power.

This could turn into an economic crisis.

That' exactly what media wants you to believe.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 10, 2020, 12:22:52 PM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?

All of that!
Just imagine your on vacation on a cruise ship and that happened to you. What would you do? escape by small boat or swim with floater or stay on ship

I would have cancelled the cruise vacation in the first place if this virus thing was around.

But if I was stuck there, the cruise probably would have refunded all our tickets and etc. plus times and days killed there. If they don't, then it is what it is. Complaining won't really get us anywhere.

If it ain’t right, you have to complain. Maybe you will let them walk over you, but not me. Money is worthless if you are stuck on the ship with the virus.  ;)

So what would you do if that happened to you?

Hypothetical for entertainment purposes: Escape

I also would try to escape if I could. But most likely ain't nobody's gonna be able to. So you'd just have to accept the reality and try to see the positive sides of it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zovall on February 11, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
Diamond Princess passenger posting updates on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/ezrn2x/im_a_us_citizen_aboard_the_diamond_princess/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 11, 2020, 09:35:44 AM
Did you read the news about the cruise ship? (Unbelievable)

What part is unbelievable to you? That some people got the virus or that they've locked everyone in it?

All of that!
Just imagine your on vacation on a cruise ship and that happened to you. What would you do? escape by small boat or swim with floater or stay on ship

I would have cancelled the cruise vacation in the first place if this virus thing was around.

But if I was stuck there, the cruise probably would have refunded all our tickets and etc. plus times and days killed there. If they don't, then it is what it is. Complaining won't really get us anywhere.

If it ain%u2019t right, you have to complain. Maybe you will let them walk over you, but not me. Money is worthless if you are stuck on the ship with the virus.  ;)

So what would you do if that happened to you?

Hypothetical for entertainment purposes: Escape

I also would try to escape if I could. But most likely ain't nobody's gonna be able to. So you'd just have to accept the reality and try to see the positive sides of it.

I think the ship is docked. If there is a will there is a way to escape.
What is the positive side to it when your stuck on the ship?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 11, 2020, 10:01:32 AM
Not just this but anything. When something bad or things I don't like happen, staying negative and complaining won't really get anywhere (for me at least). I do understand it would suck to be stuck there while you thought you were going to have a good vacation so that's very unfortunate, but I think trying to stay positive would help your stress also.

You can still be thankful if you're coronavirus free. You can still look forward to the day when you'll get out of that cruise. You can still be thankful you're alive. You've learned your lesson, so you'll plan better accordingly next time. But more than anything, when you're stuck at where you literally can't really do anything, you can spend time with the LORD. Reading scriptures, praying, etc. Jonah from the Bible would be kind of a similar example. But it wouldn't make any sense if you don't believe in Jesus.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 11, 2020, 10:39:42 AM
I guess this is where you and I disagree. Did the people of Flint, Michigan have a right to complain about the water? I say  yes of course. But using your logic, they should not complain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis


Not just this but anything. When something bad or things I don't like happen, staying negative and complaining won't really get anywhere (for me at least). I do understand it would suck to be stuck there while you thought you were going to have a good vacation so that's very unfortunate, but I think trying to stay positive would help your stress also.

You can still be thankful if you're coronavirus free. You can still look forward to the day when you'll get out of that cruise. You can still be thankful you're alive. You've learned your lesson, so you'll plan better accordingly next time. But more than anything, when you're stuck at where you literally can't really do anything, you can spend time with the LORD. Reading scriptures, praying, etc. Jonah from the Bible would be kind of a similar example. But it wouldn't make any sense if you don't believe in Jesus.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on February 11, 2020, 10:48:02 AM
Cruise ship viral outbreaks by year:

https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/gilist.htm#2020
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 11, 2020, 11:01:03 AM
Complaining and doing the right thing are two different matters. The difference is simple. Complaining ends with complaining. Doing the right thing comes with a suggested solution. Even if that suggestion might not be correct, you're still trying for a better cause not just a chant.

What's the suggested solution for this quarantined cruise?

I guess this is where you and I disagree. Did the people of Flint, Michigan have a right to complain about the water? I say  yes of course. But using your logic, they should not complain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis


Not just this but anything. When something bad or things I don't like happen, staying negative and complaining won't really get anywhere (for me at least). I do understand it would suck to be stuck there while you thought you were going to have a good vacation so that's very unfortunate, but I think trying to stay positive would help your stress also.

You can still be thankful if you're coronavirus free. You can still look forward to the day when you'll get out of that cruise. You can still be thankful you're alive. You've learned your lesson, so you'll plan better accordingly next time. But more than anything, when you're stuck at where you literally can't really do anything, you can spend time with the LORD. Reading scriptures, praying, etc. Jonah from the Bible would be kind of a similar example. But it wouldn't make any sense if you don't believe in Jesus.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 11, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
Not to be technical. But complaints are results of not doing the right thing.

Complaining and doing the right thing are two different matters. The difference is simple. Complaining ends with complaining. Doing the right thing comes with a suggested solution. Even if that suggestion might not be correct, you're still trying for a better cause not just a chant.

What's the suggested solution for this quarantined cruise?

I guess this is where you and I disagree. Did the people of Flint, Michigan have a right to complain about the water? I say  yes of course. But using your logic, they should not complain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis


Not just this but anything. When something bad or things I don't like happen, staying negative and complaining won't really get anywhere (for me at least). I do understand it would suck to be stuck there while you thought you were going to have a good vacation so that's very unfortunate, but I think trying to stay positive would help your stress also.

You can still be thankful if you're coronavirus free. You can still look forward to the day when you'll get out of that cruise. You can still be thankful you're alive. You've learned your lesson, so you'll plan better accordingly next time. But more than anything, when you're stuck at where you literally can't really do anything, you can spend time with the LORD. Reading scriptures, praying, etc. Jonah from the Bible would be kind of a similar example. But it wouldn't make any sense if you don't believe in Jesus.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 11, 2020, 11:35:28 AM
The new name for the virus outbreak COVID-19
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on February 11, 2020, 12:24:40 PM
Just as some people are born with ODD (oppositional defiant disorder) and will believe in any anti-government/anti-authority conspiracy theory, others are born chronic complainers.  Chronic complainers have strong victimization mentality where they do not necessarily see themselves as negative people, but rather victim of circumstance or some vast conspiracy involving temporal and supernatural forces.  Many complain because they want validation, sympathy, and attention.  When confronted with actual solutions they become hostile because it takes away the attention and validation.  Doing the "right thing" may result in 10 additional complaints about Gnostic mind parasites or fallen archons conducting psychic attacks on their mind.

In Japan they conducted studies on Hikkimori (acute social withdrawal) and found that most of them are from middle class or higher families, with parents who can afford to let their kids mooch off them.  In poorer families where the children are forced to work and interact with people, there are very few instances of Hikkimori.  Putting this to perspective, chronic complainers feed off the attention and sympathy from others who give it, just like Hikkimori mooching off their parents.

=======================

I just returned from CVS and was told that they just received shipment of hand sanitizers, and it had been sold out.  So maybe it's a good idea to stock up some, plus ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol.

Be aware that some sanitizers contain triclosan/triclocarban, you might want to read up on it.  Worse case, you can always wear disposable latex gloves.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 11, 2020, 01:42:24 PM
Just as some people are born with ODD (oppositional defiant disorder) and will believe in just about any anti-government/anti-authority conspiracy theory, others are born chronic complainers.  Chronic complainers have strong victimization mentality where they do not necessarily see themselves as negative people, but rather victim of circumstance or some vast conspiracy involving both temporal and supernatural forces.  Many complain because they want validation, sympathy, and attention.  When confronted with actual solutions they become hostile because it takes away the attention and validation.  Doing the "right thing" may result in 10 additional complaints about how Gnostic mind parasites or fallen archons conducting psychic attacks on their mind.

Sounds snowflaky. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 12, 2020, 02:40:08 PM
Dang... Mobile World Congress canceled.

How am I going to see those fancy folding phones?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zovall on February 13, 2020, 10:25:11 AM
This site does a good job about tracking it and also providing the sources for the updates (in the Timeline section):
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on February 13, 2020, 11:59:27 AM
I read that one of the people who went on the Diamond Princess to help the passengers also got the virus now.
So if a person with all that protective gear can get it, I don't think a N95 mask is gonna help much.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on February 13, 2020, 05:50:11 PM
N95 rating means filtration of at least 95% of airborne particles of certain size.  It's not 100% effective, nor are the masks "one size fits all".

Protective gear requires fitting, training, and regular exercise/practice in use.  The medical staff that boarded the cruise ship was issued protective gear, but without good fitting and training the effectiveness will be decreased.

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Since hand sanitizers are mostly sold out at local retail stores, you can still purchase 70% iso alcohol at Costco.  Isopropanol is not effective against non-enveloped viruses, but influenza and coronavirus are both enveloped viruses.  So 70% iso alcohol may be effective for disinfecting hard surfaces when used as spray or wipe.  The higher concentrated 91% stuff will evaporate too soon so it's less effective, unless if you're buying it for long term storage or use as fuel (warning:  improper use will result in bodily harm and burning down your house).

Also be aware that alcohol based hand sanitizers may cause adverse reaction to infants under the age of 2 -- discuss with your doctor if you have questions.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on February 14, 2020, 07:29:09 AM
Also the hand sanitizer is not very effective against cold or flu virus,  so don’t overly depends on it .

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 14, 2020, 10:42:43 AM
Masks for pets?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pet-owners-rushing-buy-face-053021127.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on February 14, 2020, 11:41:17 AM
Who needs N95 masks when you can easily buy tampons in bulk  ;)

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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on February 14, 2020, 12:16:54 PM
Who needs N95 masks when you can easily buy tampons in bulk  ;)

(https://42qnyu1y6vra3adquc2fecd5-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/image-6-214x300.png)

 :) Make sure to get the wings for extra protections.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 24, 2020, 10:58:46 AM
Please stay alert and wash your hands frequently, no matter where you are, especially to those who travel to Asia for business. Check-in with friends and colleagues nearby. I'm sending extra prayers and courage to those who are closer to the fast developments. 🙏🏻

If you haven't noticed...In less than 3 months, more than 78,811 individuals in 32 countries got the disease and 2,467 have died. 35 cases of the disease are confirmed in the USA and more updates are coming each day. World Health Organization (WHO) has stated the "Disease X" global spread is worrisome but no panic is needed yet.

I know in Asia, many others who are impacted in their supply chain, business, and lives - empty streets, teleworking offices, and lives lost. The more we educate ourselves, stay alert and resilient will we be able to find hope in this face of fear and uncertainty.

Here are some places you can read more about it.

Sending courage and positivity to those who are there. 🙌 Hang tight. To others, please be respectful and mindful.

NYT Map: https://www.nytimes.com/…/asia/china-wuhan-coronavirus-maps…

WHO Advice to Public:
https://www.who.int/…/novel-coronavirus-2…/advice-for-public

Center for Disease Prevention Alert:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html

US State Department Travel Alert Warning:
https://travel.state.gov/…/traveladv…/traveladvisories.html/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/asia/china-wuhan-coronavirus-maps.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article&fbclid=IwAR3lsblGgC5fkbNOCiM3bY8s_FR4o2AaY8iqvCpSvtLkBhZHDnfeCLjdS0E
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on February 24, 2020, 11:31:57 AM
I consider the film "Contagion" as a documentary now.... Just hope "12 Monkeys" isn't one as well.

Thanks Panda for the links. All very helpful.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on February 24, 2020, 11:56:23 AM
During the same period, there have been 29,000,000 cases, 280,000 hospitalizations and 16,000 deaths in the USA alone from the flu.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 24, 2020, 12:19:38 PM
But the flu isn’t compared to disease x as corona virus is compared to.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on February 24, 2020, 12:35:20 PM
The flu is global, killing many people, and has several methods of palliative care - not cure, but care.

The Coronavirus is extraordinarily contagious with limited care options. The virus has prompted countries to quarantine a population equal in numbers to the entire population of the United States. Not so with the common flu.

While both are bad, one has the potential to become considerably more dangerous IMHO

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Goriot on February 24, 2020, 12:59:04 PM
Current Corona Virus = Mortality Rate of 1% to 3% (100 million infection = 1 to 3 million deaths)
Current Corona Virus Treatment = None as of Today
Vaccine = None
Side Effect = High chance of permanent lung damage upon having pneumonia (lifetime medication required) - Inflammation and Pulmonary fibrosis
Probability of Pneumonia = Moderate to Very High
Level of Contagious = Very High (Airborne, fluid, etc.)

Flu = Mortgage Rate of 0.01% to 0.02% (100 million infection = 10,000 to 20,000 deaths)
Flu = Symptoms Treatable with Medication
Vaccine = Available/Possible
Side Effect = Mostly cured with no significant side effects
Probability of Pneumonia = Low to Moderate
Level of Contagious = High to Very High
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 24, 2020, 01:19:50 PM
My heart goes out to my mother country in South Korea. God, please have mercy.

‘The City Has Been Annihilated’: South Korea’s Coronavirus Epicenter Is a Virtual Ghost Town
The country’s cases rise 25-fold in five days, as Seoul declares a ‘red alert,’ allowing it to block domestic travel among other measures

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-city-shuts-down-as-south-korea-raises-highest-coronavirus-alert-11582465932?fbclid=IwAR1JHdgg5lWsIz6PwS8kgBKKTvP_zQTsINgMKHZ3atnZhyeewJh42xSGEmI
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on February 24, 2020, 01:30:25 PM
Depends on if the counts are right.  The estimate is that the actual infection count is artificially low, comparable to counting hospitalization rates on the flu. Death rate if hospitalized with the flu is closer to 6%.

A week ago, 1/3rd of my kids class (ten kids) where out sick on a single.day. My kid brought it home, 103 fever,cough diarrhea, not the flu. Flu test was negative. Spread to the rest of us. 

Every year, the 'flu' comes thru. Every year its a dice toss on the vaccine mix and whether it mutates towards a Spanish Flu type event.

The precaution you are thinking of taking are the precautions you should already be doing for the flu.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 24, 2020, 02:03:40 PM
I think the comparable virus to corona are SARS and MERS.
 
I don’t think comparing the flu to the corona virus is apples to apples.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Goriot on February 24, 2020, 02:49:56 PM
I think the comparable virus to corona are SARS and MERS.
 
I don’t think comparing the flu to the corona virus is apples to apples.

SARS and MERS had significantly higher mortality rate of approx. 10% and 35%, respectively.  Nasty stuff.
Anyways, just wanted to share that Corona Virus is definitely more dangerous then the seasonal Flu.

Hopefully, they can get the Vaccine and treatments out before next Winter. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 24, 2020, 03:52:26 PM
I think the comparable virus to corona are SARS and MERS.
 
I don’t think comparing the flu to the corona virus is apples to apples.

SARS and MERS had significantly higher mortality rate of approx. 10% and 35%, respectively.  Nasty stuff.
Anyways, just wanted to share that Corona Virus is definitely more dangerous then the seasonal Flu.

Hopefully, they can get the Vaccine and treatments out before next Winter.

NIAID Article/information for researchers: Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold, in people. However, three times in the 21st century coronavirus outbreaks have emerged from animal reservoirs to cause severe disease and global transmission concerns.

There are hundreds of coronaviruses, most of which circulate among animals including pigs, camels, bats and cats. Sometimes those viruses jump to humans—called a spillover event—and can cause disease. Seven coronaviruses are known to cause human disease, four of which are mild: viruses 229E, OC43, NL63 and HKU1. Three of the coronaviruses can have more serious outcomes in people, and those diseases are SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) which emerged in late 2002 and disappeared by 2004; MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome), which emerged in 2012 and remains in circulation in camels; and COVID-19, which emerged in December 2019 from China and a global effort is under way to contain its spread. COVID-19 is caused by the coronavirus known as SARS-CoV-2.

Thanks to research investments into the SARS and MERS outbreaks, NIAID scientists and grantees are better prepared to develop diagnostics, therapeutics and vaccines against COVID-19. Included in those projects are basic research to understand how the virus infects cells and causes disease; adapting platforms used to develop diagnostic tests and vaccines; and evaluating treatments such as broad-spectrum antivirals and potentially monoclonal antibodies.

Source: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronaviruses



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 24, 2020, 03:53:47 PM
NIAID Article: COVID-19, MERS & SARS

In January 2020 a novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, was identified as the causative agent of an outbreak of viral pneumonia centered around Wuhan, Hubei, China. That disease is now called COVID-19. The virus has caused a widespread outbreak of disease similar to SARS throughout China, with exported cases occurring in four other continents, including the United States.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has developed a test to diagnose COVID-19 in respiratory and serum samples from clinical specimens. NIAID also is accelerating efforts to develop additional diagnostic tests for COVID-19. These tests would help facilitate preclinical studies and aid in the development of medical countermeasures.

Much of NIAID’s work on COVID-19 is an expansion of its work on Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/covid-19

Click the link to read more.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on February 25, 2020, 12:30:38 PM
Communist Party bans bat soup:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-just-banned-trade-consumption-190900992.html


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 26, 2020, 10:11:33 AM
San Fancisco State-of-emergency of Corona Virus this morning. If this thing spreads, it will spread from the West Coast to East Coast.
Irvine Home Shopper... Any insights on your part? 

"She added: “It’s not a question of if this will happen but when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illnesses."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-san-francisco-state-of-emergency-us-cases-latest-a9359441.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2hBjjSnawLLuumr22XDnVuEz7psXzqtR8_eBUJGgw49vvyWR_ub4V6LAk#Echobox=1582672145
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on February 26, 2020, 10:26:39 AM
Trump calls this fake news.  In the coming months, we will see who is right.  CDC or Trump.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 26, 2020, 10:35:04 AM
Do any of you guys have the real numbers infected by state? It is weird.. I would look at one article and the stats would suddenly disappear. We just want honest numbers.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on February 26, 2020, 10:36:31 AM
San Fancisco State-of-emergency of Corona Virus this morning. If this thing spreads, it will spread from the West Coast to East Coast.
Irvine Home Shopper... Any insights on your part? 

"She added: “It’s not a question of if this will happen but when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illnesses."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-san-francisco-state-of-emergency-us-cases-latest-a9359441.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2hBjjSnawLLuumr22XDnVuEz7psXzqtR8_eBUJGgw49vvyWR_ub4V6LAk#Echobox=1582672145


Here is the most important part of her declaration...follow the money...

She says not only does the declaration kickstart the mobilizing of city resources, streamlining staff, and coordinating agencies across the city, but it allows for future reimbursements from the state and federal governments.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 26, 2020, 11:24:50 AM
This is the most accurate link i found. More than 1200 South Koreans infected and 59 in the U.S. If this outbreaks in the U.S., San Francisco is the first city we need watch closely. With such close proximity between China and Korea, I wonder why there is no infection reported in North Korea?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/asia/china-wuhan-coronavirus-maps.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article&fbclid=IwAR1GQb4WdhEihgmMmcppZBOYz2HmR7XY7ezMFZtnuVvHARZxMHjKoGLrAaI

Other links to look at:
WHO Advice to Public:
https://www.who.int/…/novel-coronavirus-2…/advice-for-public
.
Center for Disease Prevention Alert:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html
.
US State Department Travel Alert Warning:
https://travel.state.gov/…/traveladv…/traveladvisories.html/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 26, 2020, 11:45:24 AM
@Panda or anybody else:
Have you been stocking up on can goods?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 26, 2020, 11:49:41 AM
CNBC article: FBI has ordered $40,000 in hand sanitizer and face masks 'in case the coronavirus becomes a pandemic in the United States'

The FBI said PDI's hand sanitizer and wipes were necessary because they kill "54 different microorganisms within 1 minute so this disinfectant has both speed and power." The agency justified awarding the contract to PDI without a formal competitive bidding process because "they are the number one rated in healthcare because of this kill time."

While $40,000 is just a fraction of the size of other contracts the FBI awards to private companies, the order illustrates how U.S. agencies are preparing for the possibility that the coronavirus could reach pandemic levels in the United States.

"The FBI has actively been monitoring the coronavirus outbreak in Asia and is taking preemptive measures by procuring these items ... now," the document reads. The bureau added that it is making the purchase directly from manufacturers 3M and PDI rather than through retailers "because of the urgency of this request."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/20/fbi-orders-40000-in-hand-sanitizer-and-face-masks-in-case-of-a-coronavirus-pandemic-in-us.html

I just bought some hand sanitizers.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on February 26, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
So in preparation for this virus outbreak, should I sign my kids up for sports in springtime?
If we are all being quarantined, then why sign up for anything in the future....

Just saw an event for Pet shop boys and New order at the Hollywood bowl later in the year.  Don't buy tickets?


this goes for lakers angels rams..etc.


This suit is still $11.99...I thought it would go up in price...maybe soon.
https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Protective-Coverall-Disposable-2X-Large/dp/B007XIN1TO/ref=sr_1_23?keywords=bio+suit&qid=1582747123&sr=8-23 (https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Protective-Coverall-Disposable-2X-Large/dp/B007XIN1TO/ref=sr_1_23?keywords=bio+suit&qid=1582747123&sr=8-23)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 26, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
Eyephone, I was watching the South Korean news this morning. Chinese were not allowed to enter South Korea and it was very unpleasant site to watch at Customs... almost it was like a dream or not real. Remember what IHS posted about the cities with high density of affluent Chinese and Korean are the higher risk cities as they have access to travel freely. I first brushed it off like all of you when he first wrote this, but now my radar is on. Eye Phone, I know you are smart guy.... Just google and research the Daegu city in South Korea. It is like a ghost town over there right now. I have a cousin over there and he tells me that it is no joke right now. I can only pray that San Francisco does not end up looking like Daegu City.



@Panda or anybody else:
Have you been stocking up on can goods?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on February 26, 2020, 12:06:39 PM
By the way, the China plants I work with are starting to ship again.  Virus or not, China is working again.

(https://i.imgur.com/nP08giY.png)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 26, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 26, 2020, 12:16:49 PM
DailyMail UK article: From dried foods to toilet paper and drinking water - expert lists the items you need to stock up on before coronavirus becomes a global pandemic leading to mass shortages and empty shelves

Supermarket shelves in some Italian towns emptied as coronavirus crisis grows

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8044051/Stark-warning-Australians-stock-food-supplies-coronavirus-pandemic.html





Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on February 26, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
All of this does seem like an overreaction.

It sounds like the death rate outside of China is .7%?  And there are probably a bunch of unreported cases so the rate is probably lower? 

I haven’t looked for it but it would be helpful if the death rate was broken out by age group and perhaps existing condition or not. It sounds like the majority of deaths is older people and/or people with some other condition (assuming other respiratory condition?)

I’m guessing for healthy people the death rate isn’t much different than for the flu?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on February 26, 2020, 01:24:45 PM
All of this does seem like an overreaction.

It sounds like the death rate outside of China is .7%?  And there are probably a bunch of unreported cases so the rate is probably lower? 

I haven’t looked for it but it would be helpful if the death rate was broken out by age group and perhaps existing condition or not. It sounds like the majority of deaths is older people and/or people with some other condition (assuming other respiratory condition?)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Zika was much worse, yet where are the headlines for Zika?  Seriously, that one scares me still. 

COVID-19 is highly contagious, but for most people, it seems the symptoms are no worse than the common cold.

I almost lost a cousin a couple years ago to hand foot mouth disease.  He was in the hospital for weeks, and lost a third of his body weight.  The docs seriously didn't know if he would pull through.  My daughter, and probably every kid in her class, has had the same disease multiple times in preschool.  Rarely more than a rash and mild fever for her each time, if even that.

I'm not saying COVID-19 is not a big deal.  It's killing people.  But put it in perspective.  If you don't have other risk factors, you probably need to worry a lot more about its effect on your portfolio than on your long term health.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on February 26, 2020, 01:54:00 PM
@daedalus - thanks that was perfect.

After seeing that data this is clearly an overreaction. Buy them stocks! Bought some SPY when the market was up about 75 points. I lucked out, was going to buy when it was almost up 400 but took a phone call, then by the time I bought the market was up less than 100.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 26, 2020, 02:11:08 PM
@daedalus - thanks that was perfect.

After seeing that data this is clearly an overreaction. Buy them stocks! Bought some SPY when the market was up about 75 points. I lucked out, was going to buy when it was almost up 400 but took a phone call, then by the time I bought the market was up less than 100.

it might be an over reaction, but why not be safe? Its not containable according to the experts. People all over the world have the disease. There is Anxiety and panic in Italy as I type.
Correct me if Im wrong, but China knew about this before it got out of control. They arrested the Chinese doctor who brought it to the medical community. (He unfortunately died of the virus.)

So apparently a church linked to South Korea outbreak had meetings in Wuhan China according to Business Insider News.

Spain reports first Carona virus case per Reuters.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 26, 2020, 02:56:08 PM
I consider the film "Contagion" as a documentary now.... Just hope "12 Monkeys" isn't one as well.

More like the Planet of the Apes 2nd reboot except with bats instead of simians. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 26, 2020, 04:28:16 PM
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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on February 26, 2020, 04:34:16 PM

(https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1186%2F1741-7015-10-162/MediaObjects/12916_2012_Article_639_Fig2_HTML.jpg?as=webp)


Devil is the details, the big detail is, like the flu, how many actual infections are there.

Its to hard apples to apples that 50-59 group but by 59, depending on year that log scale puts you somewhere in the 0.8% and 2.0%.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 26, 2020, 04:42:38 PM
(https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-10-162/figures/2)

Devil is the details, the big detail is, like the flu, how many actual infections are there.

Do you compare the flu to heart disease?
Do you compare the flu to diabetes?
Do you compare the flu to stab wounds?

Get out of here!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 26, 2020, 04:47:12 PM
It’s like comparing a .99 cent hamburger to prime rib.

I mean come on!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on February 26, 2020, 04:57:55 PM
Overreacting, tell that to Mayor Garcetti, currently, as of this writing, LAX is going through a cleaning process at the airport as the Korean flight attendant tested positive.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on February 26, 2020, 09:41:29 PM
I thought the best overreaction was the mayor of SF declaring a state of emergency despite not a single person in that city having contracted the virus.  Decontaminating airports is about keeping peace of mind up and continuing commerce, tourism, etc which probably only adds to the panic in the long run.

No one said don't be safe.  I wash my hands often and try to remember to make my daughter do the same.  I keep tabs of where the infected are.  I wouldn't take my daughter to daycare or go to work if I thought infected people had been through there.  But it ain't the plague!  The 2nd worst part about COVID-19 is the hysteria wrapped around it.  I pity the poor folks sitting in quarantine,  reading the headlines, watching news stories showing grown adults with water bottles and maxipads taped to their heads, and scared worthless about what comes next. 

The worst part about COVID-19 is that the incubation period is thought to be as long as 14 days, during which it can be spread.  Add to that how contagious it seems to be, and we may all end up getting it.  The vast majority of us will get through this relatively unscathed either way.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on February 27, 2020, 08:39:26 AM
Is it time to make plans to go to disneyland....fewer crowds?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on February 27, 2020, 08:46:48 AM
I am going to DISNEYLAND.....
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 27, 2020, 08:49:26 AM
I am going to DISNEYLAND.....

Good luck chuck!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 27, 2020, 08:56:44 AM
Marketwatch article: CDC issues beard and mustache guide for coronavirus epidemic

Some facial-hair styles will interfere with your face mask


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdc-issues-beard-and-mustache-guide-for-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-02-26
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 27, 2020, 09:00:31 AM
Politico Article: Trump backers see a coronavirus conspiracy

Some supporters of President Donald Trump see a threat bigger than the spread of a highly contagious novel coronavirus: a conspiracy by deep state actors to use the virus against the president.

One key piece of evidence fueling their theory: An official from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention making public statements on the outbreak is the sister of Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general who oversaw the Mueller probe and, according to a disputed report, once discussed removing Trump from office.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/26/trump-backers-coronavirus-conspiracy-117781

Is the Coronavirus fake news? If you think it’s fake. I suggest you travel and take advantage of the travel deals.

*But of course if you get sick or something do not blame me. I did not say the virus is FAKE. Lol

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 27, 2020, 09:20:51 AM
Politico Article: Trump backers see a coronavirus conspiracy

Some supporters of President Donald Trump see a threat bigger than the spread of a highly contagious novel coronavirus: a conspiracy by deep state actors to use the virus against the president.

One key piece of evidence fueling their theory: An official from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention making public statements on the outbreak is the sister of Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general who oversaw the Mueller probe and, according to a disputed report, once discussed removing Trump from office.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/26/trump-backers-coronavirus-conspiracy-117781

Is the Coronavirus fake news? If you think it%u2019s fake. I suggest you travel and take advantage of the travel deals.

*But of course if you get sick or something do not blame me. I did not say the virus is FAKE. Lol

Btw: Mety turned down my offer to pay for his trip to China all expenses paid. Lol
(does not include medical ins, hospital bills, protective gear, incidental costs)
But he had to stream over there and I get the rights. It never happened and the deal is off the table. Lol
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: AW on February 27, 2020, 09:46:18 AM
Is it time to make plans to go to disneyland....fewer crowds?

nope, as of right now, per the app, 70 mins wait for space mountain and 65 mins wait for smugglers run
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on February 27, 2020, 10:14:57 AM
but i heard Din Tai Fung is down to 20 min wait!..instead of 2 hours.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: AW on February 27, 2020, 10:49:29 AM
but i heard Din Tai Fung is down to 20 min wait!..instead of 2 hours.

Talking about south coast?

Corona virus special:

https://www.yelp.com/biz/south-coast-plaza-costa-mesa?hrid=GxY_ib1HfXcnLvlZ-P039A&utm_campaign=www_review_share_popup&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=(direct)

(https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JICPCNzuBeURTLK9tZ42wg/168s.jpg)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 27, 2020, 10:57:49 AM
No slowdown here!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 27, 2020, 11:19:57 AM
No slowdown here!

CNBC article:California is monitoring at least 8,400 people for the coronavirus

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/27/california-is-monitoring-8400-people-for-the-coronavirus.html


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on February 27, 2020, 01:19:38 PM
Went to Costco this morning at 10:30am (opens at 10am) thinking that a weekday morning right after it opens would be a nice low stress time to shop.  Was pretty packed and with at least half of the shoppers carts filled with multiple packs of water and toilet paper.  So people are starting to prep and getting ready just in case...

Asked a guy working there if this is usual for a Thursday morning and he said no, usually it isn't this crowded.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 27, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
Went to Costco this morning at 10:30am (opens at 10am) thinking that a weekday morning right after it opens would be a nice low stress time to shop.  Was pretty packed and with at least half of the shoppers carts filled with multiple packs of water and toilet paper.  So people are starting to prep and getting ready just in case...

Asked a guy working there if this is usual for a Thursday morning and he said no, usually it isn't this crowded.

Thanks for sharing. So it reinforces what I have been saying.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 27, 2020, 01:50:30 PM
So it's actually helping more businesses?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on February 27, 2020, 02:32:47 PM
I am coming to realize how seriously people are taking the coronavirus.  I knew that masks are impossible to buy now but now freeze dried meats are mostly unavailable/out of stock.  How long do people think that this situation will last when freeze dried meat which last up to 25 to 30 years are running out of stock (amazon, mountain house, wise foods, etc. etc.).  I mean, I understand stocking up for the near future but years?  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 27, 2020, 02:44:52 PM
I am coming to realize how seriously people are taking the coronavirus.  I knew that masks are impossible to buy now but now freeze dried meats are mostly unavailable/out of stock.  How long do people think that this situation will last when freeze dried meat which last up to 25 to 30 years are running out of stock (amazon, mountain house, wise foods, etc. etc.).  I mean, I understand stocking up for the near future but years?  Am I missing something?

PS: take a look at mompi post in the gold thread regarding my post about can goods. This might answer your question.

Be safe!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 27, 2020, 02:46:30 PM
If everything really is out of stock all the time, it means those companies made killing! No economy slowdown or whatsoever!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on February 27, 2020, 02:54:18 PM
I just got some cup o noodles from costco.  bring it!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 27, 2020, 02:57:13 PM
If everything really is out of stock all the time, it means those companies made killing! No economy slowdown or whatsoever!

Uh yeah. Fake analysis. Lol

Look at the big company forecasts. (Publicly released forecasts)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: paydawg on February 27, 2020, 04:04:16 PM
Dow futures down another roughly 1300 for tomorrow.   ;)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 27, 2020, 04:05:26 PM
If everything really is out of stock all the time, it means those companies made killing! No economy slowdown or whatsoever!

Uh yeah. Fake analysis. Lol

Look at the big company forecasts. (Publicly released forecasts)

Hey I was kind of joking, but you can't say it was a "fake" analysis. You could say like "What a poor analysis" or something like that.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on February 27, 2020, 05:04:43 PM
District Costco our of water. Well Costco water they still had arrowhead
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 27, 2020, 05:20:44 PM
 It seems that people are already starting to stock up at Costco here as well.  We should all thank eyephone for starting this awareness. It is best that we are take more caution.

Mety, IHO, and other believers here in TI. We should all pray that this corona thing disappears asap. Pray that San Francisco doesnt end  up looking like wuhan or daegu.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 27, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
If everything really is out of stock all the time, it means those companies made killing! No economy slowdown or whatsoever!

Uh yeah. Fake analysis. Lol

Look at the big company forecasts. (Publicly released forecasts)

Hey I was kind of joking, but you can't say it was a "fake" analysis. You could say like "What a poor analysis" or something like that.

I was joking. Forget earnings just worry about being healthy.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 27, 2020, 07:29:12 PM
Guys, this link gets updated daily so you see the spread at a global level. It appears that this thing is spreading very quickly in China and South Korea.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-map-confirmed-cases-2020-n1120686?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR3D-vRbz38M4OhDteo8AaWEi7-VzP79vLVO6lvGsxx2C-7F8sTtZnRUi-s
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 28, 2020, 09:21:51 AM
It seems that people are already starting to stock up at Costco here as well.  We should all thank eyephone for starting this awareness. It is best that we are take more caution.

Mety, IHO, and other believers here in TI. We should all pray that this corona thing disappears asap. Pray that San Francisco doesnt end  up looking like wuhan or daegu.

Don’t forget about. Medicine and cleaning supplies.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2020, 09:38:52 AM
It seems that people are already starting to stock up at Costco here as well.  We should all thank eyephone for starting this awareness. It is best that we are take more caution.

Mety, IHO, and other believers here in TI. We should all pray that this corona thing disappears asap. Pray that San Francisco doesnt end  up looking like wuhan or daegu.

Yes, we should pray for sure. Especially for those who are suffering this virus without knowing Jesus as LORD that they will come to know God through this. While I do pray this thing'll disappear soon, it is also under His will that this thing broke out and we need to be in discernment to know what God is saying through this. Maybe we need to repent. Maybe we need to wake up. Maybe we need to pray not only when these things happen but every moment as He commanded. Everyone might take different reactions, but one thing for sure we know as believers is that we're not in control of our lives but God is. So in that, we remain in peace but pray earnestly for everyone's safety and health at the same time as well.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on February 28, 2020, 10:40:07 AM

Freeze dried food canneries are reporting 6-8 week backlogs due to increased demand.  But these are prepper products for long-term storage up to 30 years.  Your needs may differ and what Costco sells -- Kirkland canned chicken/beef/fish/veggies, bottled water, etc. may be sufficient.

The 6 x 1 gallon Kirkland bottled water has 18 month best used by date, but when stored properly it still tastes fine after 3 years.  Smaller bottled waters, when left in the garage for a year, may have that plastic taste.  But you still need some smaller bottled water (or water bottles) in case if you need to leave the house.

Kirkland canned foods have 3-5 year best used by date, and may last longer when stored properly.  They're fully cooked "wet" cans that are ready to eat in an emergency, and can be rotated through monthly usage & replaced with new cans.  You should eat fresh (not canned) food where possible, but canned food (and highly processed foods) is OK couple times a week or in emergencies.

If you're on prescription medication, call your doctor and see if you can refill your meds early.  As last resort you can ask to buy generics out of pocket.  If the virus spreads, hospitals and pharmacies will be like petri dishes filled with wiggly stuff.

Also consider what happens if utilities are cut or interrupted.  If something is wrong at the substation or pump goes down, who's going to fix it if utility workers are staying home or bugged out?  Costco sells Kirkland and Duracell batteries in large packs with 10 year shelf life, so get some extra batteries for your torch/flashlight and battery powered lamps.

Check camping section at Walmart or sporting goods stores for a "honey bucket toilet seat" that fits over a bucket.  This is an emergency toilet.  Stock up on toilet paper and boxes of quality kitchen bags at Costco, the kitchen trash bags will fit the toilet bucket and are leak proof.  Instead of buying expensive disposable bucket toilet bags, just use the kitchen trash bags and toss (to your trashcan outside) often.  Because there is nothing covering the excretion inside the bag, it's best to tie and discard as soon as possible.  You can use those extra boxes of kitchen trash bags for your trashcan anyway. 

Visit your local hardware store and pick up couple buckets, work gloves, and a shovel if you don't already have one.  If trash pickup service is stopped then you may have to bury waste.  Back when people built privy/outhouse the minimum safe distance away from house is 50 ft, preferably 100+ ft.  Most of us don't have yards that big, so look around your community for suitable locations along green belts and such.  Make sure you label the locations for cleanup later.

Other sanitation items to buy at Costco include Kirkland Nitrile Exam Gloves (disposable), bleach, 70% alcohol (near pharmacy area, don't buy 91%), Hydrogen Peroxide, disposable plates and utensils (you might not have running water to do dishes), etc.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 28, 2020, 11:02:59 AM
CNBC article: Amazon tells employees to pause non-essential travel in U.S. due to coronavirus

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/amazon-pauses-non-essential-travel-in-us-due-to-coronavirus.html

Interesting! Pause Domestic travel?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on February 28, 2020, 11:27:23 AM
This is really getting ridiculous. This thing is more contagious than the flu but symptoms seem pretty similar. I talked to a doctor recently and they don’t seem concerned about the Coronavirus. The media loves headlines. People make it seem like the world is coming to an end. We are all going to get this thing one way or another. If you are healthy you will be fine. If you are old and have a compromised immune system then good luck but that is not any different than if they get something like the flu.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on February 28, 2020, 11:38:40 AM
This is way overblown. Does anyone remember the swine flu?  Very similar track wit a 4% mortality rate (not 1-2% for corona) Around 20% of the WORLD got it. Around 200,000 DIED!!  I got it, along with my then 6 year old daughter. It was a bad cold. Money to be made here on the raw emotion being egged on.... we will be fine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2020, 11:39:27 AM
I think the flu is actually worse. Yeah, I really think the media is making the most out of it. Fake fear it is. There is nothing wrong with being careful and staying healthy, but it really is becoming a political play IMHO. It's only my opinion so it could be wrong also.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on February 28, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
But what if you get it, don't know about it and go visit your elderly parents...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2020, 11:52:08 AM
That goes for anything not just coronavirus. Cold, Flu, HIV, anything contagious. As I've stated, there is nothing wrong with being careful and staying healthy, but this Covid-19 might not be as bad as how the media is presenting.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on February 28, 2020, 01:30:38 PM
This is really getting ridiculous. This thing is more contagious than the flu but symptoms seem pretty similar. I talked to a doctor recently and they don’t seem concerned about the Coronavirus. The media loves headlines. People make it seem like the world is coming to an end. We are all going to get this thing one way or another. If you are healthy you will be fine. If you are old and have a compromised immune system then good luck but that is not any different than if they get something like the flu.

Holy wait a minute Batman!  This bat coronavirus is way more serious than common human coronavirus.

You don't lock down the entire city for no reason.

You don't require a mandatory 14 days quarantine for coming from a common flu epidemic region.

And worst of all, you just don't cancel BTS concert unless there's something really really bad.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 28, 2020, 01:50:11 PM
Mety,
Thank you so much for this post and I couldn't agree with you more. I am really humbled as I wish I can be as bold as you in speaking what Christ is telling you. You certainly have a gift of wisdom and discernment. I went Costco today and it was quite busy with a lot of Asians stocking up on water etc and I hope you do the same for precaution sakes for your family. I have no doubt in my mind that God will protect you and your family as God promises that he will protect the ones he loves.

God bless,
Panda

It seems that people are already starting to stock up at Costco here as well.  We should all thank eyephone for starting this awareness. It is best that we are take more caution.

Mety, IHO, and other believers here in TI. We should all pray that this corona thing disappears asap. Pray that San Francisco doesnt end  up looking like wuhan or daegu.

Yes, we should pray for sure. Especially for those who are suffering this virus without knowing Jesus as LORD that they will come to know God through this. While I do pray this thing'll disappear soon, it is also under His will that this thing broke out and we need to be in discernment to know what God is saying through this. Maybe we need to repent. Maybe we need to wake up. Maybe we need to pray not only when these things happen but every moment as He commanded. Everyone might take different reactions, but one thing for sure we know as believers is that we're not in control of our lives but God is. So in that, we remain in peace but pray earnestly for everyone's safety and health at the same time as well.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 28, 2020, 02:06:49 PM
This is really getting ridiculous. This thing is more contagious than the flu but symptoms seem pretty similar. I talked to a doctor recently and they don’t seem concerned about the Coronavirus. The media loves headlines. People make it seem like the world is coming to an end. We are all going to get this thing one way or another. If you are healthy you will be fine. If you are old and have a compromised immune system then good luck but that is not any different than if they get something like the flu.

Of course the bat man isn't afraid of the bat virus. His radioactive lime diet also adds to his immunity.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2020, 02:18:50 PM
For the record, I think the coronavirus breakout from a bat or bat soup is fake news also.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 28, 2020, 02:29:11 PM
For the record, I think the coronavirus breakout from a bat or bat soup is fake news also.

But you will not go to ground zero (China) for Free!!!
So I think a part of you believes it.

Bat or ant eater or something else. I still consider it as sick sh###.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2020, 02:34:45 PM
For the record, I think the coronavirus breakout from a bat or bat soup is fake news also.

But you will not go to ground zero (China) for Free!!!
So I think a part of you believes it.

Bat or ant eater or something else. I still consider it as sick sh###.
Free is not a motivation of doing something. At least for me. Even if  give me a free ticket to Hawaii, I’ll probably pass that too.

I will say this much. The virus did not breakout from eating exotic animals. It was an easy target so they just took the blame. Now this is what I believe, but it could be false too.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 28, 2020, 02:36:57 PM
For the record, I think the coronavirus breakout from a bat or bat soup is fake news also.

But you will not go to ground zero (China) for Free!!!
So I think a part of you believes it.

Bat or ant eater or something else. I still consider it as sick sh###.
Free is not a motivation of doing something. At least for me. Even if  give me a free ticket to Hawaii, I%u2019ll probably pass that too.

I will say this much. The virus did not breakout from eating exotic animals. It was an easy target so they just took the blame. Now this is what I believe, but it could be false too.

I think I heard on the news that trading/eating the ant eater is illegal in China.

Your a big defender of China. But they could of totally stopped this after the SARS outbreak.

I read an article that the trading of exotic animals is big time in China like big money. (Maybe not now, but just to give you perspective)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 28, 2020, 02:39:08 PM
So if the virus is common in animals, and it wasn't from eating said animals... how did patient zero catch it from an animal... hmmm?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2020, 02:45:23 PM
For the record, I think the coronavirus breakout from a bat or bat soup is fake news also.

But you will not go to ground zero (China) for Free!!!
So I think a part of you believes it.

Bat or ant eater or something else. I still consider it as sick sh###.
Free is not a motivation of doing something. At least for me. Even if  give me a free ticket to Hawaii, I%u2019ll probably pass that too.

I will say this much. The virus did not breakout from eating exotic animals. It was an easy target so they just took the blame. Now this is what I believe, but it could be false too.

I think I heard on the news that trading/eating the ant eater is illegal in China.

Your a big defender of China. But they could of totally stopped this after the SARS outbreak.

I read an article that the trading of exotic animals is big time in China like big money. (Maybe not now, but just to give you perspective)

If you think I'm Chinese, I ain't one, bro. I don't like the idea of people eating those animals at all either. But that's just a personal preference, not necessarily defending the absolute truth or anything, right? Now it's really none of my business for China could have prevented or let it leak or whatever. It's already happened. And I just believe it did not break out from eating animals. But like I said, I could be wrong. I can at least share what I believe, right?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2020, 02:53:08 PM
So if the virus is common in animals, and it wasn't from eating said animals... how did patient zero catch it from an animal... hmmm?

You can believe what they say in public news and papers. I personally don't. I can't say I deny them 100%, but I strongly believe there are more than just what they present in media. I believe it was something closer to a chemical test failure/leak from labs. Then it got into those animal or wet markets. And also something very political driven stuff involved in all these from the start to finish. Did Trump say it should be OK by April?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 28, 2020, 02:55:28 PM
For the record, I think the coronavirus breakout from a bat or bat soup is fake news also.

But you will not go to ground zero (China) for Free!!!
So I think a part of you believes it.

Bat or ant eater or something else. I still consider it as sick sh###.
Free is not a motivation of doing something. At least for me. Even if  give me a free ticket to Hawaii, I%u2019ll probably pass that too.

I will say this much. The virus did not breakout from eating exotic animals. It was an easy target so they just took the blame. Now this is what I believe, but it could be false too.

I think I heard on the news that trading/eating the ant eater is illegal in China.

Your a big defender of China. But they could of totally stopped this after the SARS outbreak.

I read an article that the trading of exotic animals is big time in China like big money. (Maybe not now, but just to give you perspective)

If you think I'm Chinese, I ain't one, bro. I don't like the idea of people eating those animals at all either. But that's just a personal preference, not necessarily defending the absolute truth or anything, right? Now it's really none of my business for China could have prevented or let it leak or whatever. It's already happened. And I just believe it did not break out from eating animals. But like I said, I could be wrong. I can at least share what I believe, right?

It like plain and simple look at the structure of the blood cell or something. I previously posted a link in this thread regarding research.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 28, 2020, 02:57:24 PM
So if the virus is common in animals, and it wasn't from eating said animals... how did patient zero catch it from an animal... hmmm?

You can believe what they say in public news and papers. I personally don't. I can't say I deny them 100%, but I strongly believe there are more than just what they present in media. I believe it was something closer to a chemical test failure/leak from labs. Then it got into those animal or wet markets. And also something very political driven stuff involved in all these from the start to finish. Did Trump say it should be OK by April?

Here we go with the GOP theory from one senator.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
You can believe whatever you want to believe. But you can't force anyone to believe what you believe. Simply, live a life that sets an example and you'll gain the followers.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 28, 2020, 03:04:16 PM
You can believe whatever you want to believe. But you can't force anyone to believe what you believe. Simply, live a life that sets an example and you'll gain the followers.

I am not forcing my opinion on you. But I am going by facts and by health experts.

But then again you think eating in n out is healthy. So go figure.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
You can believe whatever you want to believe. But you can't force anyone to believe what you believe. Simply, live a life that sets an example and you'll gain the followers.

I am not forcing my opinion on you. But I am going my facts and by health experts.

But then again you think eating in n out is healthy. So go figure.

healthier "than" McD. Gotta get the full picture, my friend.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 29, 2020, 10:25:58 AM
For the hard core soccer fans and people who like to travel to Italy.

AP Article: Italian soccer game played in empty stadium due to virus fears

No fans were allowed into the stadium as a precaution as authorities try to contain a spreading virus that has made northern Italy the focal point of the outbreak in Europe. The epicenter of the outbreak is in the Lombardy region, and Milan is its capital.

https://www.pennlive.com/sports/2020/02/italian-soccer-game-played-in-empty-stadium-due-to-virus-fears.html


NY Post Article: 3 soccer players, club staffer test positive for coronavirus in Italy

Three players and a staffer at an Italian soccer club have tested positive for coronavirus, the organization announced Friday.

The US Pianese, a Tuscany-based club, said one of its players began to develop a fever and headache Saturday evening while the team was in Alessandria for a championship game, according to a statement posted to Facebook.

He was treated by the team’s doctor until he underwent COVID-19 testing Wednesday — and the results came back positive.

He was hospitalized in Siena while other team members and staff were tested.

Two more players then tested positive for the widespread bug — one without any symptoms and another who was slightly feverish. Both were under quarantine in their homes.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/28/3-soccer-players-club-staffer-test-positive-for-coronavirus-in-italy/
More info about AMP
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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 29, 2020, 10:59:01 AM
First coronavirus death in the U.S. happens in Washington state
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/1st-coronavirus-death-u-s-officials-say-n1145931?fbclid=IwAR3y-vOTOunwN70YUzdays7Y8fDaoHakDNgGhorHN3Zu6hAfMRqqk2lfypE
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on February 29, 2020, 12:35:57 PM
Went to Costco in Tustin this morning to get some eggs.  Walked by the toilet paper section and was surprised that they only had 4-5 packages left.  Was going to get the 6 pack water jugs but a Costco employee said the only water left was the pH kind and the carbonated mineral water (Perrier). 

That was 9:36 am this morning...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: OCLuvr on February 29, 2020, 12:56:30 PM
Same story in technology Costco
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: paydawg on February 29, 2020, 01:18:34 PM
Same story in technology Costco

They were limiting 3 packs of water per person. Costco Technology ran out of water roughly around 10AM this morning but there was no real shortage of the Kirkland toilet paper.   
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on February 29, 2020, 03:25:43 PM
If there is ONE thing this virus should make clear, it's that too many people wait for an emergency  to arise before planning for it.  It's often too late then.  When do you put on the seatbelt?  Right before the impact?

Momopi has preached the gospel of preparedness repeatedly here.  Being able to survive in place for a few months without having to rely on anything or anyone should be a given.  Food, water, power, protection, medicine, daily necessities, etc...  Every plan has gaps, situations that can't be covered, but any well thought out plan is better than "We have 40 gallons of water in the water heater and some canned goods in the pantry, so we'll probably be OK".

If you're wondering how you'll pay the bills without being able to go to work for a few months, then you're not getting the direness of what might happen when the proverbial shit really hits the fan.

It's a good thing this "emergency" is a slow-moving contagion and not a huge earthquake.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 29, 2020, 04:07:14 PM
Basically what Daedalus is saying if you live paycheck to paycheck and have not saved your sol. If the virus gets out of control.

If there is ONE thing this virus should make clear, it's that too many people wait for an emergency  to arise before planning for it.  It's often too late then.  When do you put on the seatbelt?  Right before the impact?

Momopi has preached the gospel of preparedness repeatedly here.  Being able to survive in place for a few months without having to rely on anything or anyone should be a given.  Food, water, power, protection, medicine, daily necessities, etc...  Every plan has gaps, situations that can't be covered, but any well thought out plan is better than "We have 40 gallons of water in the water heater and some canned goods in the pantry, so we'll probably be OK".

If you're wondering how you'll pay the bills without being able to go to work for a few months, then you're not getting the direness of what might happen when the proverbial shit really hits the fan.

It's a good thing this "emergency" is a slow-moving contagion and not a huge earthquake.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 29, 2020, 04:46:50 PM
Daedalus and Momopi is right. Best to be prepared.

I am not a fortune teller, but you guys can see from this chart that unemployment chart travels in waves and never in a horizontal line. The only place for this chart to go is up going forward. The unknown wild card is how serious the corona virus gets. The red lines represents how high the previous unemployment rate has reached in the OC. Just wanted to bring to your attention we have two things sort of happening in parallel.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/quip1cc58nxld9v/FRED.jpg?raw=1)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on February 29, 2020, 09:04:27 PM
In Orange County, more than 600 asked to stay home due to coronavirus concerns – Orange County Register
https://www.ocregister.com/in-orange-county-coronavirus-risk-confines-more-than-600-to-their-homes
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Halos on February 29, 2020, 10:22:36 PM
A couple co-workers in their 20's have had "the flu" for a couple weeks now, and have not come into work. Pretty sure it's CV untested.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on February 29, 2020, 11:30:59 PM
Anyone else besides me have family who got H1N1 in 2009? FWIW: Sick, yes. Scary, yes, Thankfully, no death even though California had many deaths from it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_North_America

But I don't recall as high a level of concern over H1N1 as there is so far with this bug. It's contagious for sure, but as lethal? Not from what's been reported by most Western nation's.

To me, given our close experience with a pandemic 11 years ago, this is a time to take care, prepare, but not by any means a time to panic. The silver lining here is that as the COVID-19 threat passes everyone stocking up will have supplies at hand for an earthquake - an event so few are at the ready for.

My 02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on February 29, 2020, 11:54:53 PM
Anyone else besides me have family who got H1N1 in 2009? FWIW: Sick, yes. Scary, yes, Thankfully, no death even though California had many deaths from it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_North_America

But I don't recall as high a level of concern over H1N1 as there is so far with this bug. It's contagious for sure, but as lethal? Not from what's been reported by most Western nation's.

To me, given our close experience with a pandemic 11 years ago, this is a time to take care and not any kind of time to panic.

My 02c

Sounds like something what Trump would say
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 12:13:56 AM
Anyone else besides me have family who got H1N1 in 2009? FWIW: Sick, yes. Scary, yes, Thankfully, no death even though California had many deaths from it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_North_America

But I don't recall as high a level of concern over H1N1 as there is so far with this bug. It's contagious for sure, but as lethal? Not from what's been reported by most Western nation's.

To me, given our close experience with a pandemic 11 years ago, this is a time to take care and not any kind of time to panic.

My 02c

Sounds like something what Trump would say

Trump says the coronavirus is the Democrats' 'new hoax

President Trump says that Democrats are using the virulent coronavirus as a "hoax" to damage him and his administration.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html


Listen nobody wants anybody to get ill or sick. Let’s be honest this shi# is scary.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 01, 2020, 12:51:36 AM
IMO right now there's so many conflicting claims and fake news on the virus, I wouldn't put too much faith in them.  Based on data from South Korea, we can say that the mortality rate there is approx. 0.5% (for verified infections) to date.  While the mortality rate seems low, the speed/spread of this virus is over the top.  Highly, highly contagious.  Using the 0.5% mortality rate, if there were 3,000 deaths in China it means possibly 600,000 infections.  For the elderly and those with preexisting health conditions, this is a serious concern.

I was at my local Costco on Friday and the bottled water section was almost emptied out.  I also noticed the Kirkland canned foods being stacked on the floor have best used by date of 2021.  Did they decide it was a good time to empty out the warehouse of older stock??  The canned albacore had best used by date of 2022, these are actually supplied by Bumble Bee Foods and is great mixed with mayonnaise on bread or crackers.

Sams Club still has full stock of bottled water as of today.  So if you can't find what you're looking for at Costco, there's a Sam's Club up the 405 FWY.  Unfortunately they don't offer the guest pass anymore so if you don't have a membership, ask your friends and relatives to see if anyone is a member.  Oh and Sams Club's hotdog and pizza looks really sad.

If you have to visit the hospital, bring your own mask.  The visiting patients are raiding the hospital supply of surgical masks and the nurses at Kaiser are @#%$$ over it.  Despite what you might have been told about masks being ineffective, the hospital is still a place full of sick people and contaminated door handles.  Wash hands, bring disposable gloves, whatever works.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 01, 2020, 05:20:24 AM
Aren’t most illnesses/diseases a serious concern for the elderly/those with preexisting conditions? What happens if those people get the flu? They can die right?

Just like everything else, survival of the fittest. No one is saying not to be concerned but the widespread panic is getting funny now. I’ve seen white people wearing masks. That’s how out of proportion this thing is. I’m starting to sound like a broken record but the novelty of the Coronavirus will wear off in a couple of weeks when people have to continue to go to work and the headlines get old and people start to realize it’s no different than the flu.

I’m just happy this doesn’t seem to have any serious impact on kids so I don’t have to worry more than I already do by my kids.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 01, 2020, 05:29:23 AM
To SGIPs point,

Swine flu/H1N1 - In 2009-2010 in the US 61 million infections, about 12,500 deaths.  Worldwide about 575,000 people died in that one year window. 

https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-h1n1-swine-flu-770496
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 01, 2020, 08:40:10 AM
Anyone else besides me have family who got H1N1 in 2009? FWIW: Sick, yes. Scary, yes, Thankfully, no death even though California had many deaths from it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_North_America

But I don't recall as high a level of concern over H1N1 as there is so far with this bug. It's contagious for sure, but as lethal? Not from what's been reported by most Western nation's.

To me, given our close experience with a pandemic 11 years ago, this is a time to take care, prepare, but not by any means a time to panic. The silver lining here is that as the COVID-19 threat passes everyone stocking up will have supplies at hand for an earthquake - an event so few are at the ready for.

My 02c


I said it in an earlier post. I had H1-N1 in 2009 along with my six year old daughter. We had Thanksgiving dinner isolated. Thankfully our local Ralph’s scraped together some Turkey and fixings for us at the last minute.  We were just fine, it was a bad cold. Swine flu had a 4% morbidity rate. This thing is WAY overblown.



 (https://youtu.be/kkCwFkOZoOY)[/url]
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 08:53:44 AM
Another Trump/GOP post. That the coronavirus is a hoax.
Maybe the people who died is fake? Companies/Cities/Countries lost a lot of money because of the virus, but maybe that is fake also? They just want a vacation.

The fakeness by the Trump supporters is like so funnny.
Forget the data, forget the experts, forget the deaths? It’s all fake? Lol

Anyone else besides me have family who got H1N1 in 2009? FWIW: Sick, yes. Scary, yes, Thankfully, no death even though California had many deaths from it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_North_America

But I don't recall as high a level of concern over H1N1 as there is so far with this bug. It's contagious for sure, but as lethal? Not from what's been reported by most Western nation's.

To me, given our close experience with a pandemic 11 years ago, this is a time to take care, prepare, but not by any means a time to panic. The silver lining here is that as the COVID-19 threat passes everyone stocking up will have supplies at hand for an earthquake - an event so few are at the ready for.

My 02c


I said it in an earlier post. I had H1-N1 in 2009 along with my six year old daughter. We had Thanksgiving dinner isolated. Thankfully our local Ralph’s scraped together some Turkey and fixings for us at the last minute.  We were just fine, it was a bad cold. Swine flu had a 4% morbidity rate. This thing is WAY overblown.



 (https://youtu.be/kkCwFkOZoOY)[/url]
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 08:57:36 AM
The fake financial advisor with the fake advice and fake news. Not an ounce of credibility. Not a single ounce.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 01, 2020, 09:30:43 AM
The fake financial advisor with the fake advice and fake news. Not an ounce of credibility. Not a single ounce.

I hear ya.

We all knows sell on news and buy on fears.

This time it’s different is that, this is a global concert outbreak. The infections and death rates keeps climbing.


A good advise is to manage and control your own money. No body care more about your own money than you.

 1–Avoid fiscally irresponsible people.  Never marry one or otherwise give him access to your money.

2–Avoid money managers. It’s your money and no one will care for it better than you.

3–Avoid debt.

4–Save a portion of every dollar you get.
The greater the percent of your income you save and invest, the sooner you’ll have F-You money.  Try 50%.  With no debt, this perfectly doable.

5–Put this money in the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund (VTSAX)   This is the fund you already own, so just keep adding to it.

5–Realize the market and the value of your shares will sometimes drop dramatically.  People all around you will panic.  They’ll be screaming Sell, Sell, Sell.  Ignore this.  Even better:  Buy more shares.

6–When you can live off the dividends VTSAX provides you are financially free.

7–The less you need, the more free you are
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 01, 2020, 09:32:10 AM
Eyephone - why does a contradictory viewpoint have to be a trump supporter? Or politicized? 

CV is clearly not fake news. But it is way overblown. There is a disconnect between what is going to happen vs what people think is going happen. Yes, no one knows how this will shake out but previous episodes of these types of viruses have subsided and the world move on.

There are people in every camp. Too concerned concerned,  not concerned at all, and those in the middle. The educated guess is this thing blows over in less than a year.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 09:42:25 AM

Trump lashes out at Dems, calls coronavirus their new 'hoax'

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/trump-lashes-out-at-dems-calls-coronavirus-their-new-hoax

The same thing Morekas is doing.


Eyephone - why does a contradictory viewpoint have to be a trump supporter? Or politicized? 

CV is clearly not fake news. But it is way overblown. There is a disconnect between what is going to happen vs what people think is going happen. Yes, no one knows how this will shake out but previous episodes of these types of viruses have subsided and the world move on.

There are people in every camp. Too concerned concerned,  not concerned at all, and those in the middle. The educated guess is this thing blows over in less than a year.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 01, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
We will be fine...

Five Reasons You Don't Need to Panic About the COVID-19 Coronavirus


1. The number of cases in China is already falling significantly. Where once the graph of coronavirus cases in China showed an exponential climb, it has now leveled off substantially. Just three weeks ago, China was recording more than 3,000 new cases per day. Officials are now consistently reporting fewer than five hundred, with the number still dropping. Seeing much-improved conditions on the ground, big companies like Starbucks and Apple in China are resuming business activities. The latest (Feb. 29th) World Health Organization (WHO) situation report revealed 435 new cases in China in the previous 24 hours.

2. The vast majority of cases are mild, and the death rate is likely lower than reported

5. The world already survived another pandemic just ten years ago. Remember H1N1, more commonly known as Swine Flu? This was the most recent pandemic (besides HIV/AIDS, which is still considered a pandemic). It began in early 2009 and lasted through late 2010. Between April 2009 and April 2010, there were approximately 60.8 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths in the United States alone! Globally, it likely infected between 700 million and 1.4 billion people, resulting in 150,000 to 575,000 fatalities. While this loss of life was tragic, more than a decade later, many scarcely remember Swine Flu. The same will hopefully happen with COVID-19.

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/02/29/five_reasons_you_dont_need_to_panic_about_the_covid-19_coronavirus.html (https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/02/29/five_reasons_you_dont_need_to_panic_about_the_covid-19_coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 01, 2020, 10:01:07 AM
Eyephone - why does a contradictory viewpoint have to be a trump supporter? Or politicized? 

CV is clearly not fake news. But it is way overblown. There is a disconnect between what is going to happen vs what people think is going happen. Yes, no one knows how this will shake out but previous episodes of these types of viruses have subsided and the world move on.

There are people in every camp. Too concerned concerned,  not concerned at all, and those in the middle. The educated guess is this thing blows over in less than a year.

Coronavirus panic may even be overstated, but the supply chain disruptions, slow downs in trade, and most importantly, the psychological effects that this started worldwide may last longer and continue to create a reduction in market confidence and demand.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 01, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Here’s a few articles from SG:

https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/k-pop-star-chungha-in-quarantine-after-two-of-her-staff-test-positive-for

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/south-korea-reports-219-new-coronavirus-cases-brings-total-to-3150

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/hoarding-in-the-usa-coronavirus-sparks-consumer-concerns

We’re fortunate that the virus outbreak is not as deadly as initially thought. Imagine if delivery trucks stop running and your local supermarket shelves are empty from panic buy.  If you didn’t prep ahead you’d be screwed.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 01, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
May I recommend looking at any chart showing the 2009 H1N1 infection rate history, then guesstimate where the Covid-19 trajectory is along the same path. Pandemics peak at some time. They all do. I don't believe we are near a peak, but one is coming. From that point on, rest aware, but also rest easy.

Being prepped is good. Being panicked... Not so much, and there's an enormous amount of panic-mongering in the news right now.

A different take, but the Covid-19 numbers in the article are compelling:

https://heated.medium.com/theres-an-epidemic-that-s-a-bigger-threat-than-the-coronavirus-ce6e0697185b



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 01, 2020, 10:45:21 AM
Silver lining anyone?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51691967

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 10:50:17 AM
Ap article: Ecuador reports 1st new virus case; Mexico confirms 2 more

Officials in Ecuador on Saturday confirmed the first case of the new coronavirus in the South American nation, while Mexico reported two more cases and Brazil one more.

https://www.krgv.com/news/ecuador-reports-1st-new-virus-case-mexico-confirms-2-more-213830/

We will be fine...

Five Reasons You Don't Need to Panic About the COVID-19 Coronavirus


1. The number of cases in China is already falling significantly. Where once the graph of coronavirus cases in China showed an exponential climb, it has now leveled off substantially. Just three weeks ago, China was recording more than 3,000 new cases per day. Officials are now consistently reporting fewer than five hundred, with the number still dropping. Seeing much-improved conditions on the ground, big companies like Starbucks and Apple in China are resuming business activities. The latest (Feb. 29th) World Health Organization (WHO) situation report revealed 435 new cases in China in the previous 24 hours.

2. The vast majority of cases are mild, and the death rate is likely lower than reported

5. The world already survived another pandemic just ten years ago. Remember H1N1, more commonly known as Swine Flu? This was the most recent pandemic (besides HIV/AIDS, which is still considered a pandemic). It began in early 2009 and lasted through late 2010. Between April 2009 and April 2010, there were approximately 60.8 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths in the United States alone! Globally, it likely infected between 700 million and 1.4 billion people, resulting in 150,000 to 575,000 fatalities. While this loss of life was tragic, more than a decade later, many scarcely remember Swine Flu. The same will hopefully happen with COVID-19.

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/02/29/five_reasons_you_dont_need_to_panic_about_the_covid-19_coronavirus.html (https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/02/29/five_reasons_you_dont_need_to_panic_about_the_covid-19_coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 10:51:40 AM


First it was the flu now H1.
This is why I recommend people to refi with big companies. They do not get involve with emotional issues.
God bless America.

May I recommend looking at any chart showing the 2009 H1N1 infection rate history, then guesstimate where the Covid-19 trajectory is along the same path. Pandemics peak at some time. They all do. I don't believe we are near a peak, but one is coming. From that point on, rest aware, but also rest easy.

Being prepped is good. Being panicked... Not so much, and there's an enormous amount of panic-mongering in the news right now.

A different take, but the Covid-19 numbers in the article are compelling:

https://heated.medium.com/theres-an-epidemic-that-s-a-bigger-threat-than-the-coronavirus-ce6e0697185b
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 01, 2020, 10:52:13 AM
Eyephone - why does a contradictory viewpoint have to be a trump supporter? Or politicized? 

CV is clearly not fake news. But it is way overblown. There is a disconnect between what is going to happen vs what people think is going happen. Yes, no one knows how this will shake out but previous episodes of these types of viruses have subsided and the world move on.

There are people in every camp. Too concerned concerned,  not concerned at all, and those in the middle. The educated guess is this thing blows over in less than a year.

Coronavirus panic may even be overstated, but the supply chain disruptions, slow downs in trade, and most importantly, the psychological effects that this started worldwide may last longer and continue to create a reduction in market confidence and demand.

I would say for about 2-3 months the most.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 10:53:34 AM
Now it’s time to get political. Trump botched it. This is worst than Katrina. He should of been more aggressive with the virus. The do nothing approach is not calming the fear and capital markets.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 10:56:08 AM
The same people that said nothing will be wrong. But wait why is the virus spreading all over the world.
Is it propaganda? Who do you trust? Real medical articles or Morekas with his fake advice?

Get out of here!!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 10:57:20 AM
The same guy that said his friends store is better than KFC and Popeyes. But apparently the sales does not back up his claim. Morekas get a life!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 01, 2020, 11:02:41 AM
As to the politics of this....

Thread opened 1/21/2020

The Tang Menace mentioned coordination with Chinese leadership on Covid-19 response.... During the State of The Union Address - February 4th, 2020

Plenty of work was being done, just not visible to the general public. This is standard operating procedure, no matter the administration in power.

I think people don't remember this because Covid-19 wasn't really on that many peoples minds this early in the pandemic and because Nancy tore up her only copy of the speech.

My. 02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 11:10:32 AM
Are your rates low as owning.com?
I clicked your link but it does not work. Please give your companies website. (Google.com?)


God bless America

As to the politics of this....

Thread opened 1/21/2020

The Tang Menace mentioned coordination with Chinese leadership on Covid-19 response.... During the State of The Union Address - February 4th, 2020

Plenty of work was being done, just not visible to the general public. This is standard operating procedure, no matter the administration in power.

I think people don't remember this because Covid-19 wasn't really on that many peoples minds this early in the pandemic and because Nancy tore up her only copy of the speech.

My. 02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 11:20:22 AM
Your starting to loose your credibility like Morekas. Lol
Where do I get the low interest rate?

As to the politics of this....

Thread opened 1/21/2020

The Tang Menace mentioned coordination with Chinese leadership on Covid-19 response.... During the State of The Union Address - February 4th, 2020

Plenty of work was being done, just not visible to the general public. This is standard operating procedure, no matter the administration in power.

I think people don't remember this because Covid-19 wasn't really on that many peoples minds this early in the pandemic and because Nancy tore up her only copy of the speech.

My. 02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 11:22:25 AM
This is like too easy....Did Qwetry refi with you? I am guessing no. Why not?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 01, 2020, 12:09:22 PM
Eyephone,

I hope you will find some measure of peace in the coming days. Good luck to whatever your endeavors may be.

My .02c

SGIP
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 01, 2020, 12:15:55 PM
1. Looking out for the the little guy. Looking to refi take a look at owning.com or sofi
2. To inform people about the virus. Am I the only one that is concern? Multiple people on TI have mentioned that the water  bottles at Costco is out due to high of demand.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 01, 2020, 04:19:28 PM
It's a funny cultural thing.  In Asia, you can't drink the tap water, so people always drink bottled water.
Thus, bottle water being all bought up @costco.

But we're Americans..we drink from the tap. 

Perhaps the buyers of water think we are flint.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 02, 2020, 09:44:44 AM
1. Looking out for the the little guy. Looking to refi take a look at owning.com or sofi
2. To inform people about the virus. Am I the only one that is concern? Multiple people on TI have mentioned that the water  bottles at Costco is out due to high of demand.


ABC article: The Costco in Mountain View ran out of water and Clorox wipes. Customer saying out of rice.

https://abc7news.com/5976785

Click the link and check out the picture. The customer climbed up the metal rack. It looks crazier than Black Friday.



Newsweek article: The American Red Cross issued a statement on Thursday advising residents on ways to "be ready for any emergency" and "prepare in case this new coronavirus risk level increases in the U.S."

"Have a supply of food staples and household supplies like laundry detergent and bathroom items, and diapers if you have small children," the organization said.

"Check to make sure you have at least a 30-day supply of your prescription medications, and have other health supplies on hand, including pain relievers, stomach remedies, cough and cold medicines, fluids with electrolytes, and vitamins," it added.

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-fears-mask-hand-sanitizer-water-toilet-paper-shortages-costco-walmart-target-1489981



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: bones on March 02, 2020, 01:30:30 PM
https://www.foxla.com/news/four-irvine-firefighters-quarantined-after-making-contact-with-patient-who-may-have-coronavirus

Great park.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Rizdak on March 02, 2020, 05:09:12 PM
Dead cat bounce in the markets today. Panic will resume shortly.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 02, 2020, 05:11:09 PM
Dead cat bounce in the markets today. Panic will resume shortly.

Fed most likely cut rates..... 8)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Rizdak on March 02, 2020, 05:31:55 PM
Yes, I look forward to refinancing my mortgage if I survive.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 02, 2020, 07:20:11 PM
Yes, I look forward to refinancing my mortgage if I survive.

Rofl

That is why you got to stock up.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 02, 2020, 09:29:06 PM
oops wrong thread
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 03, 2020, 03:25:08 PM
So if everyone is freaking out and the Fed is slashing to keep the band playing, will I be able to find a contractor that will bid a job without a price that he can't say no to?

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 03, 2020, 04:47:04 PM
Rice section at Mituwa Japanese market in Irvine (Sunday morning).
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 03, 2020, 04:49:26 PM
Costco (Tustin) on Sunday - no more water (but they had lots of tp).
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 03, 2020, 04:49:39 PM
What about Amazon? They deliver to you the same or the next day.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 03, 2020, 04:54:07 PM
Costco (Tustin) on Sunday.  What did everyone stock up on?

Photo #1: Nissin Cup Noodles
Photo #2: Swanson Chicken Broth
Photo #3: Four Monks Distilled Vinegar
Photo #4: Organic Sugar
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 03, 2020, 04:58:17 PM
Costco (Tustin) on Sunday (Cont.):

Photo #1:  Canola Oil
Photo #2:  Frozen Quick Food
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 03, 2020, 06:02:05 PM
Jeebus.  Apparently people think water will stop coming out of the tap, but that they'll still have electricity to run their freezers.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 03, 2020, 07:28:12 PM
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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Rizdak on March 03, 2020, 08:15:54 PM
Two more cases in OC reported.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/03/03/orange-county-may-have-2-new-cases-of-coronavirus/amp/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 04, 2020, 06:29:09 AM
And don't drink Corona beer... or visit Corona in the IE.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 04, 2020, 10:30:41 AM
The panic buy that we're seeing now is a small preview of what might happen in real emergency.  For now the scale is still limited and groceries avail at local markets, but don't wait until the shelves are empty before you prep.  Depending on your needs, you should plan for 2 weeks to 2 months of supplies at home.  In addition, keep your vehicle gas tank at least 75% full and have emergency backpacks prepped with 3 days of supplies, in the event that you had to leave your home.

https://www.ready.gov/kit
https://www.redcross.org/get-help/how-to-prepare-for-emergencies/survival-kit-supplies.html
https://www.redcross.org/get-help/how-to-prepare-for-emergencies/anatomy-of-a-first-aid-kit.html

One of the biggest mistakes that people make is to run out and buy supplies that they will never use.  Before you spend money, look around the house.  If you already have 5 can openers in the drawer, do you really need another one?  If you purchase items, choose what you'd actually use under normal conditions as much as possible.

Let's look at a few examples.  Say if the toilet paper, wet wipes, Kleenex, etc. are cleaned out at local stores.  You could buy Costco bulk pack cotton towels.  In emergency you can cut them up and use it to wipe and trash (do not flush).  Outside of emergency, I'm sure you can find uses for cotton towels around the house.

In an emergency you won't have running water to do your dishes.  So stock up on plastic cutlery and paper plates.  Outside of emergencies you can use it for BBQ's and parties.

If you buy "wet" cans (Kirkland canned chicken, albacore, corn), buy what you'd actually eat.  They have shorter 1-5 year shelf life and need to be rotated through regular use.  In an emergency you don't want to be stuck with cases of canned food that you hate.

If you're going to invest in expensive freeze dried foods (#10 cans) with long shelf life, don't order cases until you tried it first (look for smaller camping bag sized).  That "breakfast skillet" might look good on the picture but taste like cat food.  When in doubt, stick to the basics (grains, beans, legumes, pilot bread/crackers) or simple entrees (chicken and rice, beef stew).  Buy #10 metal cans and not the plastic buckets -- if you're going to get the bucket foods, go to Winco and pack your own.

Where you might want to actually invest more money, is quality and durable items.  That cheap flashlights at Walmart might look durable with rubber casing, but won't survive 3' drop to the floor.  When the lights are out you'll be fumbling in the dark, so buy a durable flashlight and have extra batteries.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on March 04, 2020, 10:53:48 AM
This toilet paper hoarding phenomenon is pretty crazy.  Does Costco let you return all these toilet paper after this coronavirus thing is over?




Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 04, 2020, 11:33:57 AM
And don't drink Corona beer... or visit Corona in the IE.

You forgot to put  :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 04, 2020, 11:38:14 AM
For real survival, I will just go to my garden and pluck leafs to use for toilet papers replacement.


Or just go to KFC, Mckeedee, or any close by grubs and grab napkins and stock pile them 😊.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 04, 2020, 11:39:28 AM
For real survival, I will just go to my garden and pluck leafs to use for toilet papers replacement.


Or just go to KFC, Mckeedee, or any close by grubs and grab napkins and stock pile them 😊.

There ain't no KFC in this hood. ;D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 04, 2020, 11:54:04 AM
I just what to repost what Mety wrote before as what he wrote makes a lot of sense to me. While reading the bible the other day, I found a very interesting verse that Psalms 91:14-16 says, God protects and delivers those who love him, therefore we are to remain in peace. I encourage my Irvine friends not to panic and remain in peace.

When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:13-14

Mety wrote:
"Yes, we should pray for sure. Especially for those who are suffering this virus without knowing Jesus as LORD that they will come to know God through this. While I do pray this thing'll disappear soon, it is also under His will that this thing broke out and we need to be in discernment to know what God is saying through this. Maybe we need to repent. Maybe we need to wake up. Maybe we need to pray not only when these things happen but every moment as He commanded. Everyone might take different reactions, but one thing for sure we know as believers is that we're not in control of our lives but God is. So in that, we remain in peace but pray earnestly for everyone's safety and health at the same time as well."
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 04, 2020, 01:00:17 PM
I have mask in my car and disposable gloves. Just in case.
Maybe I should also have a trash bag to make a make shift protective suit. Jkjk lol ;)

Come to think of it. Maybe I need protective eyewear.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 04, 2020, 02:59:16 PM
I have mask in my car and disposable gloves. Just in case.
Maybe I should also have a trash bag to make a make shift protective suit. Jkjk lol ;)

Come to think of it. Maybe I need protective eyewear.

Just use the Sparklett's 10 gallon hack:

(https://10daily.com.au/ip/s3/2020/01/29/59531a643dd2f367223dfa8f6a1b9c1a-836384.jpg)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 04, 2020, 03:01:31 PM
For real survival, I will just go to my garden and pluck leafs to use for toilet papers replacement.


Or just go to KFC, Mckeedee, or any close by grubs and grab napkins and stock pile them 😊.

There ain't no KFC in this hood. ;D

Uh... Culver and Irvine Center bruh. Right next to the McDs. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 04, 2020, 03:17:13 PM
For real survival, I will just go to my garden and pluck leafs to use for toilet papers replacement.


Or just go to KFC, Mckeedee, or any close by grubs and grab napkins and stock pile them 😊.

There ain't no KFC in this hood. ;D

Uh... Culver and Irvine Center bruh. Right next to the McDs. :)

Oh I thought that area was called Tustin. My bad. ;D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 04, 2020, 06:04:37 PM
Per CNBC South Korea has reported about 5700 cases with 35 deaths, a 0.6% death rate. Apparently they are the most agressive with their testing so that rate is probably the most accurate and it could be even lower as something like 80% of cases are pretty mild so those people probably don’t even get tested.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 04, 2020, 06:45:26 PM
So if we need to stockpile 2 weeks to 2 months of food, water and TP, what's the recommended amount of ammo to stockpile with it?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 04, 2020, 07:00:45 PM
So if we need to stockpile 2 weeks to 2 months of food, water and TP, what's the recommended amount of ammo to stockpile with it?

Depends how many shots per day you take. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 04, 2020, 07:28:04 PM
So if we need to stockpile 2 weeks to 2 months of food, water and TP, what's the recommended amount of ammo to stockpile with it?

But I thought you previously mentioned treat we have nothing to worry about.
Changing position?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dresden215 on March 04, 2020, 08:00:11 PM
Costco (Tustin) on Sunday (Cont.):

Photo #1:  Canola Oil
Photo #2:  Frozen Quick Food

What’s so special about canola oil that people to need stockpile? Is this an Asian thing? I prefer to use avocado, olive and coconut oils.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 04, 2020, 10:09:33 PM
Amazon employee in Seattle tests positive for coronavirus, is in quarantine

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/03/covid-19-amazon-seattle-employee-tests-positive-coronavirus/4947001002/

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 05, 2020, 02:40:14 PM
So if we need to stockpile 2 weeks to 2 months of food, water and TP, what's the recommended amount of a**o to stockpile with it?
Depends how many shots per day you take. 

Please see 2020 AB-3071, and note the language "certified as nonlead by the commission".

The bill may or may not pass.  It does not prohibit current possession.  But if you're planning to make bulk purchase for use at local range, then you might want to wait a little bit.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 05, 2020, 02:53:15 PM
@momo: Pls text me coordinates of safehouse. Thx.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 05, 2020, 03:03:12 PM
CNBC article: Venture firm Sequoia is sounding the alarm about the economy again as coronavirus spreads

Sequoia Capital sent out a memo to founders and CEOs of its portfolio companies about the worsening economic situation on Thursday.
The move comes as U.S. markets remain off their highs with coronavirus continuing to spread.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/05/sequoia-capital-alerts-companies-about-coronavirus-economic-fallout.html

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 05, 2020, 04:20:20 PM
First British victim (25) living in Wuhan describe what's it like to go through the coronavirus (November 25, 2019):
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8075633/First-British-victim-25-describes-coronavirus.html

excerpt:
"Day 1 — Monday November 25 I have a cold. I’m sneezing and my eyes are a bit bleary. It isn’t bad enough to keep me off work....
Day 2: I have a sore throat. Remembering what my mum used to do when I was a child, I mix myself a mug of honey in hot water. It does the trick.
Day 3: I don’t smoke and I hardly ever drink. But it’s important to me to get over this cold quickly, so that I can stay healthy for work. For medicinal purposes only, I put a splash of whisky in my honey drink. I think it’s called a ‘hot toddy’.
Day 4: I slept like a baby last night. Chinese whisky is evidently a cure for all known ailments. I have another hot toddy in the evening.
Day 5: I’m over my cold. It really wasn’t anything.
Day 7: I spoke too soon. I feel dreadful. This is no longer just a cold. I ache all over, my head is thumping, my eyes are burning, my throat is constricted. The cold has traveled down to my chest and I have a hacking cough.  The symptoms hit me this afternoon like a train and, unless there’s an overnight miracle, I will not be going to work tomorrow. It’s not just that I feel so ill — I really don’t want to give this flu to any of my colleagues.
Day 8: I won’t be in work today. I’ve warned them I’ll probably be off all week. Even my bones are aching. It’s hard to imagine I’m going to get over this soon.  Even getting out of bed hurts. I am propped up on pillows, watching TV and trying not to cough too much because it is painful.
Day 9: Even the kitten hanging around my apartment seems to be feeling under the weather. It isn’t its usual lively self, and when I put down food it doesn’t want to eat. I don’t blame it – I’ve lost my appetite too.
Day 10: I’m still running a temperature. I’ve finished the quarter-bottle of whisky, and I don’t feel well enough to go out and get any more. It doesn’t matter: I don’t think hot toddies were making much difference.
Day 11: Suddenly, I’m feeling better, physically at least. The flu has lifted. But the poor kitten has died. I don’t know whether it had what I’ve got, or whether cats can even get human flu. I feel miserable.
Day 12: I’ve had a relapse. Just as I thought the flu was getting better, it has come back with a vengeance. My breathing is labored. Just getting up and going to the bathroom leaves me panting and exhausted. I’m sweating, burning up, dizzy and shivering. The television is on but I can’t make sense of it. This is a nightmare.  I decide to go to Zhongnan University Hospital...As soon as I get there, a doctor diagnoses pneumonia. So that’s why my lungs are making that noise.
Day 13: I arrived back at my apartment late yesterday evening. The doctor prescribed antibiotics for the pneumonia but I’m reluctant to take them — I’m worried that my body will become resistant to the drugs and, if I ever get really ill and need them, they won’t work. I prefer to beat this with traditional remedies if I can.
Day 14: Boil a kettle. Add Tiger Balm. Towel over head. Breathe for an hour. Repeat. 
Day 15: All the days are now blurring into one.
Day 16: I phone my mother in Australia. There was no point in calling her before now — she’d only worry and try to jump on a plane. That wouldn’t work: it takes an age to get a visitor’s visa to China. I’m glad to hear her voice, even if I can’t do much more than croak, ‘Mum, I feel so ill.’
Day 17: I am feeling slightly better, but I don’t want to get my hopes up yet. I’ve been here before.
Day 18: My lungs no longer sound like bundles of broken twigs.
Day 19: I am well enough to stagger out of doors to get more Tiger Balm. My nose has cleared enough to smell what my neighbors are cooking, and I think I might have an appetite for the first time in nearly two weeks.
Day 22: I was hoping to be back at work today but no such luck. The pneumonia has gone — but now I ache as if I’ve been run over by a steamroller. My sinuses are agony, and my eardrums feel ready to pop. I know I shouldn’t but I’m massaging my inner ear with cotton buds, trying to take the pain away.
Day 24: Hallelujah! I think I’m better. Who knew flu could be as horrible as that, though?"  Later he finds out that he had tested positive for the coronavirus.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 05, 2020, 05:26:06 PM
Ha ha...die from corona virus or die burning up the planet...guess those single use cups make some sense after all....

Starbucks temporarily suspends use of reusable cups in stores amid COVID-19 outbreak


https://m.sfgate.com/local/seattlenews/article/Starbucks-temporarily-suspends-use-of-reusable-15107801.php (https://m.sfgate.com/local/seattlenews/article/Starbucks-temporarily-suspends-use-of-reusable-15107801.php)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 06, 2020, 12:43:12 PM
Handy Dandy compiler of stats courtesy of Johns Hopkins University:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

This has the best graphics so far.

The WHO is more granular in it's data - note for those who have family in China, the notices do list cases by City rather than by Country.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_2

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 06, 2020, 01:05:27 PM
NY Daily News Article: Wife, son and daughter of Westchester coronavirus patient test positive for illness, along with neighbor who drove him to the hospital

The infected lawyer, hospitalized in critical condition at a Manhattan hospital, checked into a suburban hospital on Feb. 27 with respiratory problems but wasn’t diagnosed until four days later. His family members, along with his helpful neighbor, are quarantined at their suburban homes, the governor said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wife-son-and-daughter-of-westchester-coronavirus-patient-test-positive-for-illness-along-with-neighbor-who-drove-him-to-the-hospital/ar-BB10JTLm
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kings on March 06, 2020, 02:12:39 PM
why don't we just infect everyone with the virus so that we can get it over with, reduce our greenhouse gas emissions by having 2-3% less people on earth, and get on with our lives?

seems like a win/win
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 06, 2020, 04:46:29 PM
why don't we just infect everyone with the virus so that we can get it over with, reduce our greenhouse gas emissions by having 2-3% less people on earth, and get on with our lives?

seems like a win/win

Yeah, win/win until one of your family members turn over because of corona.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 06, 2020, 08:28:12 PM
Reuter Article: Fed quarantines U.S. dollars repatriated from Asia on coronavirus caution

The U.S. Federal Reserve has begun quarantining physical dollars that it repatriates from Asia before recirculating them in the U.S. financial system as a precautionary measure against spreading the virus, a Fed spokesperson told Reuters.

According to the CDC, it “may be possible” to transmit the virus through objects that have had direct contact with it, but person-to-person contact is the main means of spreading the disease. The CDC recommends U.S. residents returning from China and other high-risk countries stay home for 14 days.

It is also filthy. A 2014 study by researchers at New York University identified 3,000 types of bacteria on dollar bills due to how widely and frequently they change hands.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fed-dollars-idUSKBN20T1YT



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 09, 2020, 07:07:30 AM
So as this spreads in new areas, I hear it’s slowing down in China. Is that true?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 09, 2020, 08:55:58 AM
So as this spreads in new areas, I hear it’s slowing down in China. Is that true?

Coronavirus Spread in China Slows Sharply But Doubt Remains
Bloomberg News

While infections in the rest of the world accelerate, the coronavirus epidemic is showing signs of easing at its center -- China -- with new cases slowing dramatically and recoveries gathering pace. Still, doubt remains over whether the government’s statistics show the full picture.


China reported 139 new confirmed cases of the coronavirus on Wednesday. That was a slight rise from Tuesday, which had been the lowest number in almost six weeks and the fewest since the national government started releasing data on Jan. 21. Of those, 134 cases were in Hubei province, where the virus first emerged in December and which still accounts for the majority of infections and deaths worldwide.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-04/coronavirus-spread-in-china-slows-drastically-but-doubt-remains (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-04/coronavirus-spread-in-china-slows-drastically-but-doubt-remains)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: MTalltheway on March 09, 2020, 09:03:30 AM
Depends on the source. Be very wary of China's official stats - they have full control over their information reporting. Also, Bloomberg as a publication is very CCP friendly & has been very willing to parrot CCP propaganda in the past.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 09, 2020, 09:07:22 AM
So the USA has over 500 cases.  Multiple cruise ships have it.  Multiple States have it.

We don't have testing to understand how many people really have it or have had it; it could barely over 500 or easily over 500,000.  Those power factors make a huge difference.

The economic damage from the inept government responses around the world are very concrete though.


South Korea is up to 7478 caseswith 51 death, still a high 0.68%.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 09, 2020, 10:20:32 AM
Someone I know says they are back in the factories in China so not sure what that means.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 09, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
So the USA has over 500 cases.  Multiple cruise ships have it.  Multiple States have it.

We don't have testing to understand how many people really have it or have had it; it could barely over 500 or easily over 500,000.  Those power factors make a huge difference.

The economic damage from the inept government responses around the world are very concrete though.


South Korea is up to 7478 caseswith 51 death, still a high 0.68%.

Like I previously said. So far Trump has handled it worst than Katrina.
Once I heard Trump compared the caronavuris to like the flu. (Like many on TI. I have to say.)
I knew the markets will go down the #### hole.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 09, 2020, 08:34:36 PM
The link I previously shared says it all. An older man climbing up the metal shelves at Costco. (Mountain View)


1. Looking out for the the little guy. Looking to refi take a look at owning.com or sofi
2. To inform people about the virus. Am I the only one that is concern? Multiple people on TI have mentioned that the water  bottles at Costco is out due to high of demand.


ABC article: The Costco in Mountain View ran out of water and Clorox wipes. Customer saying out of rice.

https://abc7news.com/5976785

Click the link and check out the picture. The customer climbed up the metal rack. It looks crazier than Black Friday.



Newsweek article: The American Red Cross issued a statement on Thursday advising residents on ways to "be ready for any emergency" and "prepare in case this new coronavirus risk level increases in the U.S."

"Have a supply of food staples and household supplies like laundry detergent and bathroom items, and diapers if you have small children," the organization said.

"Check to make sure you have at least a 30-day supply of your prescription medications, and have other health supplies on hand, including pain relievers, stomach remedies, cough and cold medicines, fluids with electrolytes, and vitamins," it added.

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-fears-mask-hand-sanitizer-water-toilet-paper-shortages-costco-walmart-target-1489981
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 10, 2020, 12:08:34 AM
>_>;; 

If you're looking to buy a bag of rice, go to H Mart.  They imposed limit of 1 bag per purchase, but 20 lb bag will last you a while.  If they run out visit supermarkets in Westminster or Indian market in Artesia.  Bottled water is also still avail at local supermarkets.  I recommend the 1 gallon jugs and not the smaller bottles.  There is also wide variety of canned foods on the shelf for purchase.  You can also mail order toilet paper delivered to your door or your local Walmart for pick up.  If liquid detergents are sold out look for 20 Mule Team Borax -- yes it works in HE washers.

If you're going to prep for the possibility that you'd be staying home for few weeks, stock up early and not at the last min.  Think about where you'd store your supplies.  If you store them in the garage, be warned that the higher temp during summer months will reduce the shelf life.  If you really, really want to, you can buy canned water from Blue Can Water in Burbank that will withstand 33F-150F temperature with 50 year shelf life.  These are great for your car emergency kits in the trunk but a bit expensive for home prep.  Cheaper to store gallon water jugs at home indoors (not the garage).

Having a pile of dry and wet (canned) foods can be messy, as most of us already filled our kitchen cabinets.  If you have the space, you can put up a pantry cabinet, preferably one with doors and secured to the wall stud.  Pantry cabinets are not popular items at the furniture store, but you can buy Ikea cabinets and re-purpose them as pantry.  Check their offerings in home office and bedroom sections, don't forget the cabinet doors.  Their stuff is a bit flimsy but works.

Personally, I plan to bug-in for a month (telecommute from home) starting next week, but will make occasional trips to local hardware/garden shops to buy plants and potting soil for my garden.  It's time to put up the trellis for cucumber and tomatoes.   I think in 30 days we'll have much clearer picture of the infection rate around LA/OC area.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 10, 2020, 08:41:46 AM
Another Trump/GOP post. That the coronavirus is a hoax.
Maybe the people who died is fake? Companies/Cities/Countries lost a lot of money because of the virus, but maybe that is fake also? They just want a vacation.

The fakeness by the Trump supporters is like so funnny.
Forget the data, forget the experts, forget the deaths? It’s all fake? Lol

Anyone else besides me have family who got H1N1 in 2009? FWIW: Sick, yes. Scary, yes, Thankfully, no death even though California had many deaths from it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_North_America

But I don't recall as high a level of concern over H1N1 as there is so far with this bug. It's contagious for sure, but as lethal? Not from what's been reported by most Western nation's.

To me, given our close experience with a pandemic 11 years ago, this is a time to take care, prepare, but not by any means a time to panic. The silver lining here is that as the COVID-19 threat passes everyone stocking up will have supplies at hand for an earthquake - an event so few are at the ready for.

My 02c


I said it in an earlier post. I had H1-N1 in 2009 along with my six year old daughter. We had Thanksgiving dinner isolated. Thankfully our local Ralph’s scraped together some Turkey and fixings for us at the last minute.  We were just fine, it was a bad cold. Swine flu had a 4% morbidity rate. This thing is WAY overblown.



 (https://youtu.be/kkCwFkOZoOY)[/url]

You wanna rely on data, numbers, experts, deaths?...try these... try a little perspective. H1-N1 was a pandemic,  this...not yet, and not as deadly or widespread

United States
Coronavirus Cases: 732
Deaths: 27
Recovered: 15
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 09:38:04 AM
Here is one positive news about this covid 19 virus for a change. Can we get the same treatment here in the US please?


Yahoo news

Mortgage payments will be suspended across Italy as the Italian government places the population on lockdown because of the coronavirus outbreak.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 10, 2020, 10:04:45 AM
Locking down italy and no one paying their mortgage sounds like bad news.
But it's all relative...bad news for stock holders, good news for people who are about to buy some cheap azz stocks.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 10, 2020, 11:23:17 AM
So as this spreads in new areas, I hear it’s slowing down in China. Is that true?

We shall see...

China prepares to declare VICTORY over coronavirus outbreak as President Xi visits quarantined residents in Wuhan and the city closes all of its 14 makeshift hospitals
Xi's visit is viewed as a sign that Beijing believes the outbreak is under control
He first inspected Huoshenshan, a 1,000-bed hospital constructed in 10 days
He then toured a community to call on volunteers and residents in quarantine
It came as the last of Wuhan's 14 makeshift 'fang cang' hospitals closed today
Beijing urged its citizens to seize the victory of a 'people's war' against the virus
The disease has killed at least 4,060 people and infected over 114,400 globally

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8094489/Chinas-Xi-pays-visit-virus-epicentre-Wuhan.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8094489/Chinas-Xi-pays-visit-virus-epicentre-Wuhan.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 10, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
A lot of cancellations of events so far.
SXSW
Coachella

It's gonna get worse.  How likely do you think we will have school closures in OC in the next 2 weeks. Is it high as 50/50?


Watching loveline dr drew call it "It's just the flu bro" makes him look retarded now.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 10, 2020, 11:47:24 AM
Mainland China people ordered to show gratitude to the Communist Party and Supreme Leader Xi for saving the world from the corona virus:

"[We] must through various channels carry out gratitude education among the citizens of the whole city as well as cadres so that they thank the general secretary [Xi Jinping], thank the communist party, listen to the party’s words, follow the party’s way, and create strong positive energy.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wuhan-official-called-gratitude-education-190949766.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 10, 2020, 11:50:35 AM
Trump probably will also be a hero (by his hardcore supporters) when things get better. The other party of course will try to keep accusing him being infected.

I personally don't see OC or any schools in this country having closures. I also hope it won't get that severe either, but we shall see...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 10, 2020, 11:59:16 AM
A lot of cancellations of events so far.
SXSW
Coachella

It's gonna get worse.  How likely do you think we will have school closures in OC in the next 2 weeks. Is it high as 50/50?


Watching loveline dr drew call it "It's just the flu bro" makes him look retarded now.



He doubled down...

Dr. Drew Pinsky: Coronavirus Panic Must Stop, Press Needs to Be Held Accountable for Hurting People

Dr. Drew talks with CBS Local's DJ Sixsmith about coronavirus: “The panic must stop. And the press, they really somehow need to be held accountable because they are hurting people.”

CBS NEWS: “So you’ve seen pandemics over the decades, how does this one compare with everything?”

DR. DREW: “A bad flu season is 80,000 dead, we’ve got about 18,000 dead from influenza this year, we have a hundred from corona. Which should you be worried about influenza or Corona? A hundred versus 18,000? It’s not a trick question. And look, everything that’s going on with the New York cleaning the subways and everyone using Clorox wipes and get your flu shot, which should be the other message, that’s good. That’s a good thing, so I have no problem with the behaviors. What I have a problem with is the panic and the fact that businesses are getting destroyed that people’s lives are being upended, not by the virus, but by the panic. The panic must stop. And the press, they really somehow need to be held accountable because they are hurting people.”

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/10/dr_drew_pinsky_coronavirus_panic_must_stop_press_needs_to_be_held_accountable_for_hurting_people.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/10/dr_drew_pinsky_coronavirus_panic_must_stop_press_needs_to_be_held_accountable_for_hurting_people.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 10, 2020, 12:39:06 PM
Locking down all of italy is not "just the flu bro".
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 12:46:45 PM
Locking down all of italy is not "just the flu bro".

Time to parteeeyyyy. IF YOU ARE 50 and under, with all cash and out of stock before the crash. J:K😊😊😊
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 10, 2020, 12:50:10 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 12:53:23 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Ehhh, its time to invest in a bidet. Ahh warm water feeling is much better than cactus drought tolerance garden twigs between the cracks.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 10, 2020, 12:59:38 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Ehhh, its time to invest in a bidet. Ahh warm water feeling is much better than cactus drought tolerance garden twigs between the cracks.

Who are you... ps9?

Even with a bidet, you have to dry your nether regions off with something.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 10, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
Locking down all of italy is not "just the flu bro".

Yes, the politician equivalent of buying all the TP and hand sanitizer at Costco.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 01:04:55 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Ehhh, its time to invest in a bidet. Ahh warm water feeling is much better than cactus drought tolerance garden twigs between the cracks.

Who are you... ps9?

Even with a bidet, you have to dry your nether regions off with something.

Time, you need a little time to auto dry. Or you can go high class and get one of those air blower after the wet spray.

Look, water is plentiful. And it is a heck lot more sanitize than hand towel.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 10, 2020, 01:08:43 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Target, Ralphs, and other stores have plenty. Why is everyone freaking out when it's unavailable only at Costco?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 10, 2020, 01:14:30 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Target, Ralphs, and other stores have plenty. Why is everyone freaking out when it's unavailable only at Costco?

You must not read NextDoor or go to those places yourself.

Many local stores are also out of TP.

Someone's house must be getting redecorated.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 10, 2020, 01:19:23 PM
So the asian countries are all wearing masks.  How come the news here say "masks not necessary for general public".
I see S. Korea's infection rate is coming down, and they all wear masks.  Perhaps we should do the same here and in Italy.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 10, 2020, 01:19:49 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Target, Ralphs, and other stores have plenty. Why is everyone freaking out when it's unavailable only at Costco?

You must not read NextDoor or go to those places yourself.

Many local stores are also out of TP.

Someone's house must be getting redecorated.

No, I don't read NextDoor. But here is a link you can order and get tomorrow.

https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Living-Toilet-Paper-Biodegradable/dp/B07N47WXWN/ref=sr_1_28?crid=2XV77ZEGIPOR8&keywords=toilet+paper&qid=1583871461&sprefix=toi%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-28
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 01:20:26 PM
Go to my HOA bathroom/toilet bro, plenty of it. And they stock it up for you.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2020, 01:22:55 PM
The Trump administration should free up toilet paper and hand sanitizer forget the payroll tax break!!

Not asking for free, but make calls to see wth is going on with the shortage.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 10, 2020, 01:26:50 PM
Locking down all of italy is not "just the flu bro".

Our on the ground reporter thinks they are crazy!!! ;D

Joe Giudice strolls the Italian streets as he rants about 'stupid coronavirus'... and insists Viagra is more deadly
Italy has become the country hardest hit by COVID-19 outside of China with more than 10,000 cases and 631 deaths at the latest official count
Real Housewives Of New Jersey star Joe has been living in the country since last year as he awaits a decision on his deportation ruling
He took to the streets on Tuesday, determined to 'work' and complaining that the constraints were 'ridiculous'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8097043/Joe-Giudice-strolls-Italian-streets-rants-stupid-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8097043/Joe-Giudice-strolls-Italian-streets-rants-stupid-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 01:29:19 PM
So the asian countries are all wearing masks.  How come the news here say "masks not necessary for general public".
I see S. Korea's infection rate is coming down, and they all wear masks.  Perhaps we should do the same here and in Italy.

Hell yeah. I am all for mortgage payment suspension. We need more covid
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 10, 2020, 02:04:55 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Target, Ralphs, and other stores have plenty. Why is everyone freaking out when it's unavailable only at Costco?

You must not read NextDoor or go to those places yourself.

Many local stores are also out of TP.

Someone's house must be getting redecorated.

No, I don't read NextDoor. But here is a link you can order and get tomorrow.

https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Living-Toilet-Paper-Biodegradable/dp/B07N47WXWN/ref=sr_1_28?crid=2XV77ZEGIPOR8&keywords=toilet+paper&qid=1583871461&sprefix=toi%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-28

But have you checked your local grocery store or Target? Some people can't wait for the drone to deliver the TP.

And... if you look at the more known brands of TP on Amazon, many of them are out of stock or delivery by mid March.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 10, 2020, 02:14:34 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Target, Ralphs, and other stores have plenty. Why is everyone freaking out when it's unavailable only at Costco?

You must not read NextDoor or go to those places yourself.

Many local stores are also out of TP.

Someone's house must be getting redecorated.

No, I don't read NextDoor. But here is a link you can order and get tomorrow.

https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Living-Toilet-Paper-Biodegradable/dp/B07N47WXWN/ref=sr_1_28?crid=2XV77ZEGIPOR8&keywords=toilet+paper&qid=1583871461&sprefix=toi%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-28

But have you checked your local grocery store or Target? Some people can't wait for the drone to deliver the TP.

And... if you look at the more known brands of TP on Amazon, many of them are out of stock or delivery by mid March.

Last time I checked on TP was last week. They had in stock. Here is another more known brand which we use at work.

https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Embossed-Toilet-16560-sheets/dp/B007CLQEZA/ref=sr_1_29?keywords=toilet+paper&qid=1583871646&sr=8-29

I think some stuff are sold more than usual. I'm not saying coronavirus doesn't exist. But if this coronavirus really ignites recession or some sort, then the fake news media and a certain political party have done a great job of succeeding. But I think Trump is smarter than we would think if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 10, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
So much evil can be done with this virus.

Like a young person trying to get the virus so he can go visit nursing homes. 

He's fine and only has a slight flu...while killing 15% old people.

Serial killer ideas.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 10, 2020, 02:55:06 PM
TP was out at target at the district yesterday
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 02:59:19 PM
So much evil can be done with this virus.

Like a young person trying to get the virus so he can go visit nursing homes. 

He's fine and only has a slight flu...while killing 15% old people.

Serial killer ideas.

Dark, very dark.

But that’s an ideas to save social security and pension funds.

I like it
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 10, 2020, 03:18:31 PM
Here's a bunch of comments people are making on reddit regarding their viral quarantine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ffqiyn/daily_discussion_post_march_09_questions_images/fk0238h/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ffqiyn/daily_discussion_post_march_09_questions_images/fk0238h/)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2020, 05:01:03 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Target, Ralphs, and other stores have plenty. Why is everyone freaking out when it's unavailable only at Costco?

You must not read NextDoor or go to those places yourself.

Many local stores are also out of TP.

Someone's house must be getting redecorated.

No, I don't read NextDoor. But here is a link you can order and get tomorrow.

https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Living-Toilet-Paper-Biodegradable/dp/B07N47WXWN/ref=sr_1_28?crid=2XV77ZEGIPOR8&keywords=toilet+paper&qid=1583871461&sprefix=toi%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-28

But have you checked your local grocery store or Target? Some people can't wait for the drone to deliver the TP.

And... if you look at the more known brands of TP on Amazon, many of them are out of stock or delivery by mid March.

Last time I checked on TP was last week. They had in stock. Here is another more known brand which we use at work.

https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Embossed-Toilet-16560-sheets/dp/B007CLQEZA/ref=sr_1_29?keywords=toilet+paper&qid=1583871646&sr=8-29

I think some stuff are sold more than usual. I'm not saying coronavirus doesn't exist. But if this coronavirus really ignites recession or some sort, then the fake news media and a certain political party have done a great job of succeeding. But I think Trump is smarter than we would think if you know what I mean.

Wake up. It is more than a cough.
The poor heath conditions at the wet market like started the chaos. Cages on top of cages. (Fecal, slime, etc.. dripping down to other animals. Transferred to humans by touching the animals/slaughtering animals on the floor. Then distributing it to other people. I saw the video on YouTube.)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 10, 2020, 05:10:48 PM
But why now? They've been eating those stuff for years. There are other countries eating even more unthinkable stuff. Why do you think it's happening now? Something to think about, don't you think?

Of course we don't know 100% what is real. But seems like you believe something I don't. Are you 100% sure what you believe is really true? Do you believe truth over facts? (this last sentence is a joke if you know what I mean ;D)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 05:51:51 PM
Conspiracies Theories.

I believe its a manufactured virus.


You know Hollywood makes movies and sometimes later in the future it became realities. When watching CONTAGION last night on Netflix, it similarly to what happen currently.

These labs has different level of severities according to the virus. They test, produce, and deploys through simulated environments in the lab to get results. Level 4 is highly deadly. Ebola, HIV,,,,,manufactured. Of course covid 19 can be manufacture. Looks how quickly it replicated throughout the world.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 06:13:16 PM
But why now? They've been eating those stuff for years. There are other countries eating even more unthinkable stuff. Why do you think it's happening now? Something to think about, don't you think?

Of course we don't know 100% what is real. But seems like you believe something I don't. Are you 100% sure what you believe is really true? Do you believe truth over facts? (this last sentence is a joke if you know what I mean ;D)

Damn it eyephone, do you want to take the red pill or the blue pill?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2020, 06:47:00 PM
Conspiracies Theories.

I believe its a manufactured virus.


You know Hollywood makes movies and sometimes later in the future it became realities. When watching CONTAGION last night on Netflix, it similarly to what happen currently.

These labs has different level of severities according to the virus. They test, produce, and deploys through simulated environments in the lab to get results. Level 4 is highly deadly. Ebola, HIV,,,,,manufactured. Of course covid 19 can be manufacture. Looks how quickly it replicated throughout the world.

More like poor hygiene and poor food preparation
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Liar Loan on March 10, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
Why are people stocking up on bottled water and toilet paper?  Do the taps turn off when you catch this virus?  Do you switch to five craps a day when you catch it?  I seriously don't get it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 10, 2020, 07:26:40 PM
The herd mentality is so strange on this - Water, OK... TP? WTF?

In our local Ralphs, the TP aisle is decimated. The Baby and Adult wipes? Full up. The Baby and Adult diapers? No problem. Need tampons or Pads (True hoarders gold IMHO) Sure! we're well stocked. To my amazement Kleenex boxes were untouched, ready for purchase by the boatload.

Evidently a roll of Charmin is now the official coin of the realm due to this madness.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 07:47:29 PM
Why are people stocking up on bottled water and toilet paper?  Do the taps turn off when you catch this virus?  Do you switch to five craps a day when you catch it?  I seriously don't get it.

Probably crap less, since when you have a flu, you cant eat.

Uhh, just speaking from experience.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 10, 2020, 08:07:37 PM
The hoarders who started the panic buying are PRC nationals. Americans do not understand their mentality because we have always had what we needed to live. Anyone over the age of 45 from the PRC has personal experience with privation and starvation. Yes, that dude who just bought the $5 million Alta Vista McMansion probably has vivid childhood memories of only having a bowl of watery flour gruel a day. I know a lady who survived the Cultural Revolution and she specifically told me that you couldn't get toilet paper during the Cultural Revolution.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 10, 2020, 08:10:07 PM
Someone postulated it is mainly Chinese and they are sending tp overseas to relatives who are quarantined. They can’t be using it and how much does one family really need for a two week quarantine?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
Why are people stocking up on bottled water and toilet paper?  Do the taps turn off when you catch this virus?  Do you switch to five craps a day when you catch it?  I seriously don't get it.

Where have you been? People are climbing the metal racks at Costco. (Per my previous post)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2020, 09:02:22 PM
But why now? They've been eating those stuff for years. There are other countries eating even more unthinkable stuff. Why do you think it's happening now? Something to think about, don't you think?

Of course we don't know 100% what is real. But seems like you believe something I don't. Are you 100% sure what you believe is really true? Do you believe truth over facts? (this last sentence is a joke if you know what I mean ;D)

Where have you been? China previously banned the sale of wildlife after SARS. But then removed it. But after carona, they banned it again.

How about ban it permanently? (Save the hedgehog and better yet mankind)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2020, 09:03:03 PM
Btw there is a chart of animals that they sold at the market. It is sad very sad.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 10, 2020, 09:16:08 PM
I feel bad for anyone who legitimately needs toilet paper now... not storing up for the Corpocalypse.

Water you can get from other sources... but washing butt-towels is not fun.

Target, Ralphs, and other stores have plenty. Why is everyone freaking out when it's unavailable only at Costco?

You must not read NextDoor or go to those places yourself.

Many local stores are also out of TP.

Someone's house must be getting redecorated.

No, I don't read NextDoor. But here is a link you can order and get tomorrow.

https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Living-Toilet-Paper-Biodegradable/dp/B07N47WXWN/ref=sr_1_28?crid=2XV77ZEGIPOR8&keywords=toilet+paper&qid=1583871461&sprefix=toi%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-28

But have you checked your local grocery store or Target? Some people can't wait for the drone to deliver the TP.

And... if you look at the more known brands of TP on Amazon, many of them are out of stock or delivery by mid March.

Last time I checked on TP was last week. They had in stock. Here is another more known brand which we use at work.

https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Embossed-Toilet-16560-sheets/dp/B007CLQEZA/ref=sr_1_29?keywords=toilet+paper&qid=1583871646&sr=8-29

I think some stuff are sold more than usual. I'm not saying coronavirus doesn't exist. But if this coronavirus really ignites recession or some sort, then the fake news media and a certain political party have done a great job of succeeding. But I think Trump is smarter than we would think if you know what I mean.

So this is like your Hillside $895k post.

You are claiming conditions today that were in the past.

Time does not stand still. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 10, 2020, 09:32:14 PM
I guess all I’m allowed to say is eyephone is genius and IHO is sexy. They’re coming after me someone not as sexy and smart to prove that. :'(
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 10, 2020, 09:35:46 PM
Even if this isn’t true...what if it happens?

Cure For Corona Virus Announced In Norway


In a press conference Dr. Hans Gilbertson of the Norway Institute of disease control announced that a vaccine has been discovered for the COVID-19 Corona virus.

Many hospitals have been successfully treating COVID-19 with HIV medication to combat the virus's attacks on the immune system.  Dr. Gilbertson has been one of the premier researchers in the field of HIV cures;  the drug he designed, MYNAVICUM-12, has been one of the only drugs to show any real success in curing AIDS/HIV, and is in the final stages of clinical trials currently.

Patients with the COVID-19 virus have been treated with MYNAVICUM-12 over the last several weeks, and the recovery rate is 100%; not one patient has died.

The United States CDC is working closely with Dr. Gilbertson and the NIDC,  and both Phizer and Bayer, two of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world, are already gearing up for mass production to be distributed on a global scale.

https://buzzfeed.thenews-zone.com/2020/03/cure-for-corona-virus-announced-in.html?m=1 (https://buzzfeed.thenews-zone.com/2020/03/cure-for-corona-virus-announced-in.html?m=1)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 10, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Why are people stocking up on bottled water and toilet paper?  Do the taps turn off when you catch this virus?  Do you switch to five craps a day when you catch it?  I seriously don't get it.

Probably crap less, since when you have a flu, you cant eat.

Uhh, just speaking from experience.

TP?  That's easy.  People need more because every time someone near them sneezes, they shit themselves.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 10, 2020, 10:09:05 PM
Why are people stocking up on bottled water and toilet paper?  Do the taps turn off when you catch this virus?  Do you switch to five craps a day when you catch it?  I seriously don't get it.

Probably crap less, since when you have a flu, you cant eat.

Uhh, just speaking from experience.

TP?  That's easy.  People need more because every time someone near them sneezes, they shit themselves.

Damn sad but true.😊. Today going out for lunch, the pretty crowded patrons at this joint. Food went the down the wrong pipe on me and I cough a few cough and I like spicy food which agitated my throat even worse. After several cough and wiping my tears eyes, I looked up and half of the customer ran outside and holding their pants. Seriously😊
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 11, 2020, 07:21:29 AM
Interesting take on this @Happiness. Something I wasn't aware of. That said, the hoarding has spread to low foreign national population areas like HB and Mission Viejo. As with any sort of panic, at some point it becomes widespread.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 11, 2020, 07:44:22 AM
Germany. 1100+ infected.  2 dead.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/03/09/world/europe/ap-eu-virus-outbreak-germany.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 07:57:13 AM
Germany. 1100+ infected.  2 dead.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/03/09/world/europe/ap-eu-virus-outbreak-germany.html

But you previously said not to worry.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 11, 2020, 08:45:39 AM
That's a 0.18% mortality rate for the Germans if my math serves me right. (corrected from 1.8%)

Dangerous? Yes. Highly contagious? Yes, indeed. An Ebola like "slate wiper"? Not so fast there....

At present If sustained mortality rates in a well surveyed significant population count source (50k plus IMHO) comes in at or above 5%, it's trending towards a bad end for many. Italian mortality rates are listed at 6%, but China's is at 4%. ROK is sub 1% at present as per:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 11, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
That's a 1.8% mortality rate if my math serves me right.

Dangerous? Yes. Highly contagious? Yes, indeed. An Ebola like "slate wiper"? Not so fast there....

At present If sustained mortality rates in a well surveyed significant population count source (50k plus IMHO) comes in at or above 5%, it's trending towards a bad end for many. Italian mortality rates are listed at 6%, but China's is at 4%. ROK is sub 1% at present as per:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Your decimal is off. Germany mortality is 0.18%.  2/1100 = .0018 =0.18%.   Their two deaths a late 70s and early 80s.

The point in the article is Germany is testing.

ROK is testing.

Italy didn't. Those few countries that started wider testing sooner have much lower mortality rates.

The global freak out of high rates when only testing high risk populations is foolish, IMHO.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Liar Loan on March 11, 2020, 09:01:09 AM
That's a 1.8% mortality rate if my math serves me right.

Dangerous? Yes. Highly contagious? Yes, indeed. An Ebola like "slate wiper"? Not so fast there....

At present If sustained mortality rates in a well surveyed significant population count source (50k plus IMHO) comes in at or above 5%, it's trending towards a bad end for many. Italian mortality rates are listed at 6%, but China's is at 4%. ROK is sub 1% at present as per:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

The German mortality rate would be 0.18% actually... Of course, they may not have hit peak mortality yet.

Question for everybody:  Which countries have been exposed the longest other than China?  Is S. Korea still the best proxy for what we can expect based on their advanced health care and early exposure to the virus?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 11, 2020, 09:28:47 AM
In the USA system, covid-19 before now would be seen as flu.  Flu then pnuemonia in severe cases (much like flu).

USA flu stats are largely presumptive, anything flu-like in symptoms is counted as flu and estimated. The flu tests give false negatives so even then just seen as flu or cold until it goes off the rails.  Yes, the Covid-19 pneumonia looks characteristically different than flu pneumonia on the xray, but how far down the pipe are you at that point?  How many flu-like mild cases resolve before xray level?

So how many cases were walking around in order for it to walk into a nursing home in Washington?

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 09:43:56 AM
That's a 1.8% mortality rate if my math serves me right.

Dangerous? Yes. Highly contagious? Yes, indeed. An Ebola like "slate wiper"? Not so fast there....

At present If sustained mortality rates in a well surveyed significant population count source (50k plus IMHO) comes in at or above 5%, it's trending towards a bad end for many. Italian mortality rates are listed at 6%, but China's is at 4%. ROK is sub 1% at present as per:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


The German mortality rate would be 0.18% actually... Of course, they may not have hit peak mortality yet.

Question for everybody:  Which countries have been exposed the longest other than China?  Is S. Korea still the best proxy for what we can expect based on their advanced health care and early exposure to the virus?

But why more chatter when it hit Italy and Germany? Double standard and totally biased.

But it may be a hoax like Trump said. Lol
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 09:48:17 AM
Before it was a hoax. Now it is something to be concerned. The Trump Whitehouse is not on the same page.

You can thank Trump for gutting/cutting the spending.
Trump eliminated/drastically cut Obama-era disease security program.

https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 09:49:25 AM
They are using statistics to marginalize the disease. I clicked the link of soy green logo and it went to google. Why is that?
Do you work for google?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 09:50:08 AM
Maybe I should sponsor and put a logo and have it link to a search engine.  ;)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 09:55:56 AM
They like to point the finger, but we all know I have the biggest voice. Because I come with facts and not fiction.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 11, 2020, 10:54:56 AM
@eyephone, May you enjoy success and peace in your heart in the days ahead.

My .02c

SGIP
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 11, 2020, 11:21:34 AM
East Asian student assaulted in 'racist' coronavirus attack in London. Wow. this is crazy!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/uk/coronavirus-assault-student-london-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

Why are people stocking up on bottled water and toilet paper?  Do the taps turn off when you catch this virus?  Do you switch to five craps a day when you catch it?  I seriously don't get it.

Probably crap less, since when you have a flu, you cant eat.

Uhh, just speaking from experience.

TP?  That's easy.  People need more because every time someone near them sneezes, they shit themselves.

Damn sad but true.😊. Today going out for lunch, the pretty crowded patrons at this joint. Food went the down the wrong pipe on me and I cough a few cough and I like spicy food which agitated my throat even worse. After several cough and wiping my tears eyes, I looked up and half of the customer ran outside and holding their pants. Seriously😊
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 11, 2020, 11:38:48 AM
Guys, I picked up about 10 face masks from Target this morning and they were all sold out by noon. Try to pick them up if you can as couple of my friends in South Korea told me that so many people are trying to purchase them but can't find any stock. Hand sanitizers and alcohol are also extremely difficult to get here. Try to stock up on them if you can.

Stay healthy & safe. - Panda 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 11, 2020, 12:46:10 PM
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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
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Thank you for the compliment. Stay healthy my friend.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 01:12:59 PM
Let the bailouts begin due to the virus?


Mnuchin: Airlines ‘on the top of the list’ for federal lending help

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/11/mnuchin-airlines-federal-lending-help-125886
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 01:45:48 PM
https://www.foxla.com/news/ucla-suspends-in-person-classes-over-coronavirus-concerns


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 11, 2020, 01:52:46 PM
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Thank you for the compliment. Stay healthy my friend.
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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 02:01:20 PM
https://www.foxla.com/news/ucla-suspends-in-person-classes-over-coronavirus-concerns

I guess online learning is prime time.
* through accredited, well known, ranked: university
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 11, 2020, 02:03:45 PM
Lombardy and Wuhan were both hit with sudden and explosive growth of corona virus infections, completely overwhelming local hospitals.  The number of infections is likely much higher than the official stats, but death rate also higher due to lack of care.

China has vast population, but Wuhan alone had accounted for 77% of all confirmed coronavirus deaths in China last month (02/25).  Similarly in Italy, the Lombardy region accounted for 617 out of 827 deaths (75%) attributed to coronavirus today (03/11).

With so many patients slammed into the hospital, there simply wasn't enough beds, ventilators, medication, and personnel.  Beijing responded by sending over 30,000 medical staff to Wuhan and nearby areas.  Combined with mass sanitation and quarantine, they were able to bring infection rate under control after a month.  If similar efforts (cough EU cough EU) are poured into Lombardy, we can guesstimate that the infection rate can be brought under control by early April.


As for the source and full impact of coronavirus, there's so much rumors and fake news, we won't know until it's in the rear view mirror.  Like it or not, wildlife carry large variety of diseases.  The squirrels here in Los Angeles carries the bubonic plague, the rabbits carry tularemia, deer carries lyme disease (deer ticks), and wild hogs carry brucellosis.  Because few people consume wild game here the rate of infection is low.  That exotic Elk or Venison you ordered at the steakhouse?  Farm raised.  The pheasants flopping around at the local pheasant club for hunters?  Farm raised with healthy dose of antibiotics.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 02:22:11 PM
Speaking of FAKE NEWS,

Check out this headline.


The Coronavirus can only survive in cold temperatures, so the Caribbean is a fantastic choice for your next cruise': How cruise company Norwegian is reportedly training salespeople to mislead potential customers
insider@insider.com (Jessica Snouwaert)
Business InsiderMarch 11, 2020, 1:22 PM PDT




Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 02:22:55 PM
Yeah, really make me want to go to the tropic right now.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 11, 2020, 02:27:09 PM
This is a real footage of the ROK waiting in line to buy masks. Sorry I can't seem to add this link on TI. The line is miles long of Koreans waiting in line to buy masks. Better safe than sorry. Check with your local Target to pick up masks for your family. I stopped by Target at 10am and completely sold out by noon. Sanitizers are sold out everywhere. If you are able to locate them, please let us know.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=clZzEhTZOV0

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 11, 2020, 03:41:11 PM
March Madness is going to be weird.

Golden State already pre-empting NBA.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 11, 2020, 03:41:28 PM
All the US doctors say masks are not necessary...so what's up with everyone and their lines in Asia? 
Or are the US doctors a bunch of liars?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on March 11, 2020, 04:15:55 PM
All the US doctors say masks are not necessary...so what's up with everyone and their lines in Asia? 
Or are the US doctors a bunch of liars?

My take on this is that the mask will not prevent you from getting it but it will prevent you or whoever wearing the mask transmit the virus.

When someone with the virus speaks, sneeze or cough, they spray the virus contained droplets through the air.  If that virus contained droplets landed on your typical surgical mask (not the N95 kind) it will stay on your mask, it will soak through to the inner surface.  And now you are wearing that virus contaminated mask on top of your face for extended period of time,  most likely you will be infected.

However, when a infected person wears the mask, the mask will prevent viral droplets spray through the air and infect others.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: mads on March 11, 2020, 04:19:40 PM
Agreed. Right now, as  there is a shortage, it would be best if we left the masks for those who are ill and for healthcare workers. Ideally, we'd also observe social distancing (stay 1 meter away).
As always, WHO is a good place to look for answers-
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public)

For the hand sanitizer, one could check if rubbing alcohol was around and dilute it to 60-70%.

As John Oliver pointed out, don't panic too much or too little
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c09m5f7Gnic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c09m5f7Gnic)
""How scared should you be? The answer is probably 'a bit,'" Oliver concluded. "A bit! I don't want to be alarmist here, but I also don't want to minimize what we might be facing. It's about trying to strike a sensible balance. Basically, if you're drinking bleach to protect yourself right now, you should probably calm the f--- down. If you are, say, licking subway poles because you're convinced nothing can hurt you, maybe stop that. You want to stay somewhere between those two extremes.""
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 04:33:17 PM
March Madness is going to be weird.

Golden State already pre-empting NBA.

Hey, we need to stop this madness.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 11, 2020, 06:07:14 PM

My take on this is that the mask will not prevent you from getting it but it will prevent you or whoever wearing the mask transmit the virus.


Your statement is true, that is why people who are not sick should not be wearing masks. Again, this is a cultural phenomenon. Asians, especially Mainland Chinese, already had a habit of wearing masks long before the Wuhan Virus. This is because the environment is so bad there. If a Mainland China person feels unsafe, he will instinctive reach for the face mask. We've never gotten into the habit of wearing masks so we do not have a mask reflex, we will stop to think whether it is really necessary or if it will do any good.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 11, 2020, 06:42:25 PM
NBA postponed.

Going to be crazy for a while.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 06:51:14 PM
So S. Korea have 200,000 of their citizen tested in the most active covid zones. The U.S. 9000 tested. That’s right just 9K tested for the entire country. How come the big disparities.

Could it be that we artificial suppress the numbers? Or we are not test kit ready?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
NBA postponed.

Going to be crazy for a while.

But it is just like a cough and it is a hoax according to Morekas. Lol
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 11, 2020, 06:55:20 PM
I predict, in the very near future it will become quite fashionable to get the coronavirus. >:D

Tom Hanks Says He Has Coronavirus


The actor said he and his wife, Rita Wilson, had tested positive while in Australia, where he is set to begin production on a film.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 11, 2020, 07:16:29 PM
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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: mads on March 11, 2020, 07:46:42 PM
So S. Korea have 200,000 of their citizen tested in the most active covid zones. The U.S. 9000 tested. That’s right just 9K tested for the entire country. How come the big disparities.

Could it be that we artificial suppress the numbers? Or we are not test kit ready?

Typically, tests have to be FDA approved.The CDC's first batch of test turned out to be faulty and the FDA expedited their process at the end of Feb. LabCorp and others were supposed to start supplying tests (only if ordered by a Doc) this week. So, testing is probably picking up now, but we weren't as extensive as Korea/Germany.
@Panda- https://people.com/health/hand-sanitizers-still-available/ (https://people.com/health/hand-sanitizers-still-available/)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 11, 2020, 07:59:39 PM
We have a wonderful opportunity here to use a marker and watch the very public story of actual infection.  The public will follow Tom and Rita’s every tweet, ache and symptom. What a wonderful study....how much you wanna bet Eye, that they come through this just fine?  Won’t even make a good made for TV movie.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 08:05:19 PM

My take on this is that the mask will not prevent you from getting it but it will prevent you or whoever wearing the mask transmit the virus.


Your statement is true, that is why people who are not sick should not be wearing masks. Again, this is a cultural phenomenon. Asians, especially Mainland Chinese, already had a habit of wearing masks long before the Wuhan Virus. This is because the environment is so bad there. If a Mainland China person feels unsafe, he will instinctive reach for the face mask. We've never gotten into the habit of wearing masks so we do not have a mask reflex, we will stop to think whether it is really necessary or if it will do any good.

Most here live thru the 9/11 events. And after the attacked and whenever aircraft flies overhead I would look up and freak out when it get closer. Well, this coughing things in public is almost equivalent, not quite as alarming but does concern people around.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 08:48:57 PM
So S. Korea have 200,000 of their citizen tested in the most active covid zones. The U.S. 9000 tested. That’s right just 9K tested for the entire country. How come the big disparities.

Could it be that we artificial suppress the numbers? Or we are not test kit ready?

Typically, tests have to be FDA approved.The CDC's first batch of test turned out to be faulty and the FDA expedited their process at the end of Feb. LabCorp and others were supposed to start supplying tests (only if ordered by a Doc) this week. So, testing is probably picking up now, but we weren't as extensive as Korea/Germany.
@Panda- https://people.com/health/hand-sanitizers-still-available/ (https://people.com/health/hand-sanitizers-still-available/)

So we have two months head start when this virus first reported in China. CDC funding dwindle and massive cut and deem unnecessary under Trump. Then he declare it as a hoax when virus broke out in China and it will go away shortly. Now after 20+ % drop in the market he wake up, and will be more tomorrow, he shutdown travel to Europe all together. Yeah, great move.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 11, 2020, 09:33:32 PM
Didn’t he travel ban China fairly early?

Btw: TP can be found at different stores, they are being limited now. Costco has them if you go early.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 09:43:47 PM
Here is the time line, it rather long but it will help put some people to sleep.

December 31
Health officials in Wuhan, China, post a notice that says they’re investigating a pneumonia outbreak that is spreading in their city. The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that it “was informed of a cluster of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause.”

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 8
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) publishes a health advisory regarding the “pneumonia of unknown etiology” that appears to have originated in Wuhan.

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 17
The CDC dispatches more than 100 staffers to three US airports to screen passengers arriving from Wuhan, a highly unusual step only taken during major health crises.

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 21
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, a senior CDC official handling the response to respiratory diseases, tells reporters, “We do expect additional cases in the United States and globally.”

TRUMP COMMENTS
January 22
At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Trump says he isn’t worried that the outbreak could turn into a global pandemic, and said he is confident that China is being transparent about the number of cases. “We have it totally under control,” Trump told CNBC. “It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 23
CDC advisers tell CNN they are concerned that Chinese health officials haven’t released basic epidemiological data about the virus, making it more difficult to contain the outbreak. Questions remain about how quickly people with the infection become contagious.

TRUMP COMMENTS
January 24
Senior officials from the CDC brief senators about the latest developments about the virus. Later, Trump posts his first tweet about the coronavirus. He praises the Chinese government for its “transparency” handling the outbreak and says, “it will all work out well.”

FOREIGN DEVELOPMENTS
January 25
The WHO says there are more than 1,000 confirmed cases worldwide.

FOREIGN DEVELOPMENTS
January 26
Chinese government health officials reveal for the first time that people who are infected with the coronavirus can spread the disease before they are showing any symptoms.

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 29
The White House announces a coronavirus task force, which is led by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and is being coordinated through the National Security Council. Trump attend a meeting of the task force and tweeted that the experts “are on top of it.”

FOREIGN DEVELOPMENTS
January 30
The World Health Organization declares a public health emergency of international concern. The State Department announces a “do not travel” warning for China due to the virus.

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 31
The Trump administration declares a public health emergency in the United States because of the coronavirus and blocks foreigners who visited China from entering the country. (In the following weeks, Trump complained that he didn’t get enough credit for this decision, which he claimed was a turning point in preventing a large-scale outbreak in the United States.)

This same day, about 200 Americans are evacuated out of China and flown to a military base in California, where they are quarantined. Messonnier, the top CDC official, says the drastic move was necessary because “we are facing an unprecedented health threat” from coronavirus.”
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 11, 2020, 09:52:58 PM
And here is the timeline for the swine flu...way worse...less panic.

September 1988 - A woman dies of the H1N1 flu virus days after visiting a county fair pig exhibition where there was widespread influenza-like illness among the swine.

December 2005-February 2009 - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports 12 cases of swine flu among humans.

April 2009 - Swine influenza A (H1N1) virus is detected in a 10-year-old boy. CDC lab testing confirms the same virus in a second California child residing about 130 miles away from the first patient.

April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.

April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.

April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.

April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.

June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.

October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

August 10, 2010 - WHO Director General Dr. Margaret Chan announces that the H1N1 outbreak has moved into the post-pandemic period.

June 26, 2012 - A study published in the Lancet Infectious Diseases journal estimates that the global death toll from the pandemic ranges between 151,700 and 575,400.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
And here is the timeline for the swine flu...way worse...less panic.

September 1988 - A woman dies of the H1N1 flu virus days after visiting a county fair pig exhibition where there was widespread influenza-like illness among the swine.

December 2005-February 2009 - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports 12 cases of swine flu among humans.

April 2009 - Swine influenza A (H1N1) virus is detected in a 10-year-old boy. CDC lab testing confirms the same virus in a second California child residing about 130 miles away from the first patient.

April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.

April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.

April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.

April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.

June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.

October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

August 10, 2010 - WHO Director General Dr. Margaret Chan announces that the H1N1 outbreak has moved into the post-pandemic period.

June 26, 2012 - A study published in the Lancet Infectious Diseases journal estimates that the global death toll from the pandemic ranges between 151,700 and 575,400.


What was the economic environment then compare to now?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 11, 2020, 09:59:21 PM
Market bottomed March of 2009. Recession officially declared over that same month. Stock market rose the whole time.  barely noticed all the death and zombies. Lots of tp, water and hand sanitizer available.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 10:02:18 PM
And here is the timeline for the swine flu...way worse...less panic.

September 1988 - A woman dies of the H1N1 flu virus days after visiting a county fair pig exhibition where there was widespread influenza-like illness among the swine.

December 2005-February 2009 - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports 12 cases of swine flu among humans.

April 2009 - Swine influenza A (H1N1) virus is detected in a 10-year-old boy. CDC lab testing confirms the same virus in a second California child residing about 130 miles away from the first patient.

April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.

April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.

April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.

April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.

June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.

October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

August 10, 2010 - WHO Director General Dr. Margaret Chan announces that the H1N1 outbreak has moved into the post-pandemic period.

June 26, 2012 - A study published in the Lancet Infectious Diseases journal estimates that the global death toll from the pandemic ranges between 151,700 and 575,400.


What was the economic environment then compare to now?

Give me a break. Do you trust what he says? Like so unreliable.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 11, 2020, 10:03:02 PM
Oh, and no travel ban initiated even though 13000 Americans died...go figure.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 11, 2020, 10:03:57 PM
Let's get practical.  Are you ready for your K-12 aged kids to spend the remainder of the school year telecommuting from home.

TUSD emailed their questionaire today.  The UC system is going virtual.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 10:06:12 PM
The Trump administration is already talking to companies about a bailout disguised as a loan.

How about helping out the American folks before you help out the corporations?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 10:07:04 PM
Let's get practical.  Are you ready for your K-12 aged kids to spend the remainder of the school year telecommuting from home.

TUSD emailed their questionaire today.  The UC system is going virtual.

Old news. I already posted an article that UCLA is like ending in person classes.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 10:11:18 PM
Market bottomed March of 2009. Recession officially declared over that same month. Stock market rose the whole time.  barely noticed all the death and zombies. Lots of tp, water and hand sanitizer available.

Exactly why this time it is worse for the financial strapped masses. Market topped, 11 years bull runs, and debt level at an all time high. When you at the bottom the only way to go is up back in 2009. When you at the top of the top and overleverage like alot of companies been doing, not only it go down, it will go down hard and fast. It will go down more, ready to buy some on the discount and selective buying?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 11, 2020, 10:17:02 PM
Financially strapped? Balance sheets for the s and p are in great shape. Any debt is funded at very low rates. Almost full employment means we can wether a storm.  Trading has been very profitable but buying for the long term is now obvious. As always, be selective but there is an enormous amount of money about to be made.  Mark my words.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 10:20:44 PM
Market bottomed March of 2009. Recession officially declared over that same month. Stock market rose the whole time.  barely noticed all the death and zombies. Lots of tp, water and hand sanitizer available.

Exactly why this time it is worse for the financial strapped masses. Market topped, 11 years bull runs, and debt level at an all time high. When you at the bottom the only way to go is up back in 2009. When you at the top of the top and overleverage like alot of companies been doing, not only it go down, it will go down hard and fast. It will go down more, ready to buy some on the discount and selective buying?

Scenario 1: If mass layoffs, maybe it’s time to buy another house.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 10:22:12 PM
Let's get practical.  Are you ready for your K-12 aged kids to spend the remainder of the school year telecommuting from home.

TUSD emailed their questionaire today.  The UC system is going virtual.


I will have to be if it a mandatory. Oh, now that we have bail out for stay at home parents to take care of kids, is that right?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 11, 2020, 10:22:38 PM
Market bottomed March of 2009. Recession officially declared over that same month. Stock market rose the whole time.  barely noticed all the death and zombies. Lots of tp, water and hand sanitizer available.

Exactly why this time it is worse for the financial strapped masses. Market topped, 11 years bull runs, and debt level at an all time high. When you at the bottom the only way to go is up back in 2009. When you at the top of the top and overleverage like alot of companies been doing, not only it go down, it will go down hard and fast. It will go down more, ready to buy some on the discount and selective buying?

Scenario 1: If mass layoffs, maybe it%u2019s time to buy another house.

Buy house whenever you can. Responsibly!!! But just like most, when a panic strikes, people freezed from making good decisions. That's why it differentiate between the rich ready to act. And the follower looses. I looses countless of time.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 10:33:16 PM
Market bottomed March of 2009. Recession officially declared over that same month. Stock market rose the whole time.  barely noticed all the death and zombies. Lots of tp, water and hand sanitizer available.

Exactly why this time it is worse for the financial strapped masses. Market topped, 11 years bull runs, and debt level at an all time high. When you at the bottom the only way to go is up back in 2009. When you at the top of the top and overleverage like alot of companies been doing, not only it go down, it will go down hard and fast. It will go down more, ready to buy some on the discount and selective buying?

Scenario 1: If mass layoffs, maybe it%u2019s time to buy another house.

Buy house whenever you can. Responsibly!!!

Naw nah. I need a discount.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 11, 2020, 10:59:07 PM
Let's get practical.  Are you ready for your K-12 aged kids to spend the remainder of the school year telecommuting from home.

TUSD emailed their questionaire today.  The UC system is going virtual.
Not what I want, but behaviors/routines need to change if we are to stem the trajectory of new infections.  If there's one person likely to catch this thing first in our household, it's the one in preschool.  I requested a laptop last week and can work from home, though honestly a toddler needs too much attention to get much work done.  My wife, too, can do some work from home.  We'll get through this, sick or not.   The reality is that if preschool sends my daughter home, it'll probably be because someone tested positive after days or weeks of exposing the entire place to the bug.

One upside is I get to redo the home office, which was set up several years ago.  Upgrading the 22" monitors with 32" widescreens!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 11, 2020, 11:09:12 PM
When I got H1N1in 2009 I was playing with a toddler who I did not know was sick. Caught it immediately then unknowingly gave it to my six year old daughter. We self quarantined but my wife and son never got it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: mads on March 11, 2020, 11:16:45 PM
We are behind the curve while the government tries to play it down and the White House wants to cut the CDC's budget.

In countries like China/Korea, "the key to success has been widescale testing for the virus’ RNA in people and then isolation—either by choice or mandate—of the infected and their contacts."
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/were-behind-curve-us-hospitals-confront-challenges-large-scale-coronavirus-testing (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/were-behind-curve-us-hospitals-confront-challenges-large-scale-coronavirus-testing)
Over here, Hospitals could do testing and have results in 1-2 days but first need up to a week to validate the FDA protocol. Meanwhile, a reagent shortage is possible. And at the commercial labs, results could take 3-4 days for now.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 11, 2020, 11:30:12 PM
So based on the CV timeline, once we knew more about the virus and how contagious it is, was the travel ban too slow or quicker than other countries? Seems pretty fast to me.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 11, 2020, 11:31:28 PM
Wasn’t Gobert’s results out in less than a day?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2020, 11:42:14 PM
We are behind the curve while the government tries to play it down and the White House wants to cut the CDC's budget.

In countries like China/Korea, "the key to success has been widescale testing for the virus’ RNA in people and then isolation—either by choice or mandate—of the infected and their contacts."
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/were-behind-curve-us-hospitals-confront-challenges-large-scale-coronavirus-testing (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/were-behind-curve-us-hospitals-confront-challenges-large-scale-coronavirus-testing)
Over here, Hospitals could do testing and have results in 1-2 days but first need up to a week to validate the FDA protocol. Meanwhile, a reagent shortage is possible. And at the commercial labs, results could take 3-4 days for now.

What can I say? One tv network is promoting that the coronavirus is a scam. Lol
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 12, 2020, 08:48:45 AM
Testing kits should have been ramped up in the mid of FEB.  I know some people with symptoms and they are not being tested.  I think everyone who wants to be tested should be tested.  Why not ask S. Korea or another country for tests?  They seem to have a lot of kits.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 12, 2020, 10:37:47 AM
Why not ask S. Korea or another country for tests?  They seem to have a lot of kits.
We should ask the PRC and the Communist Party for the tests.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 12, 2020, 01:00:30 PM
Ha ha, might comes loaded with covid.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 12, 2020, 01:52:01 PM
Disneyland is closing due to the virus.  I seriously applaud them for making a very tough call at this point in time.  It's exactly things like this that have to happen if we are to slow the spread.  Things like this, and cancelling major gatherings, are exactly what needs to be done.

Unfortunately I had made plans with my daughters' friends' family for us all to go to Legoland this weekend, and I expect they will be closed too.  But for the greater good...


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 12, 2020, 01:54:20 PM
I thought newsom already said no gatherings of more than 250...so that would include disney, lego, seaworld. etc.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 12, 2020, 01:59:58 PM
Now is the time to head to beach, mountain ,,,when the rain stop and take solace. We sometimes take for granted the natural beauty that we have here in SoCal. Nature! Hopefully it won’t be packed with people.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 12, 2020, 02:01:35 PM
Unfortunately due to lack of testing, yes, we are at this point. 

With no real plan on testing going forward so were now stuck basically awaiting the End of new case diagnosis with no idea how many are currently out there.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 12, 2020, 02:03:18 PM
Business way down for Seattle sex workers:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/seattle-sex-workers-covid19-coronavirus-094500177.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 12, 2020, 02:22:18 PM
For those with kids knowing Disney and other major attractions are closed, there is always going to Big Bear, Idlewild, or Arrowhead. Locally if the rain lets up there's Prentiss Park Zoo in Santa Ana, The Environmental Nature Center in Newport Beach or a camp out in O'Neil Park or Casper's Wilderness Park. Other suggestions?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 12, 2020, 02:29:01 PM
 There is a petition going around to get kids at iusd  online education while the virus thing is around...thought I will share. You may seen this on chat groups.
http://chng.it/g7YB9qj5bQ
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 12, 2020, 02:35:26 PM
Going glamping near Barstow next weekend.  Assuming no one in the group is infected, it'll be a nice way to get away from it all.  Desert toys and sand, campfires and smores.  5 days without a cell signal.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 12, 2020, 02:46:22 PM
Planning to take my kids to Fall Canyon Fall Trabuco Creek Rd
Trabuco, CA 92679. Right in our own backyard. Luck has it that it going to rain like mad for the next few days. The falls will be spectacular with water.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 12, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
We also did the Death Valley last year. Most beautiful. During early spring is ideal as the weather still cool. Stones formations are incredible here.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 12, 2020, 02:59:05 PM
Isn't Holy Jim Falls closed from the fire? I thought they stopped letting people back there until the fire damage was cleaned up. There is also the Trabuco Airfield (RC planes) that's kind of a fun stop along there. In Lake Forest there's a garbage-y "pitch and put" golf course, very easy for young and old alike. Muirlands and El Toro Road.

I like going to SJC Mission, but there's also the San Gabriel Mission near Pasadena that's a very nice stop in... much better IMHO than going to the Mission in Oceanside.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 12, 2020, 03:30:59 PM
Isn't Holy Jim Falls closed from the fire? I thought they stopped letting people back there until the fire damage was cleaned up. There is also the Trabuco Airfield (RC planes) that's kind of a fun stop along there. In Lake Forest there's a garbage-y "pitch and put" golf course, very easy for young and old alike. Muirlands and El Toro Road.

I like going to SJC Mission, but there's also the San Gabriel Mission near Pasadena that's a very nice stop in... much better IMHO than going to the Mission in Oceanside.

You right, it closed. Thanks for that head up. I thought it would be open by now, but apparently the work is still going on for at least another year.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 12, 2020, 03:42:33 PM
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

I’ve read a lot about the Coronavirus, trying to assess the impact on the economy in general and our business in particular. This is probably the best, most objective article I've read. It makes a compelling case for why we need to act quickly. It’s worth reading carefully and slowly. Many charts available to get a good grasp of what we are dealing with.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 12, 2020, 05:07:08 PM
It's good that Disneyland is closed so I'll have more time to freak out about the Wuhan virus.

Warning to the unwiped hordes, I will shoot any mother fu*ker who gets near my TP stash!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 12, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
Bidet man, bidet. Then air dry. Save the bullets.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 12, 2020, 08:22:27 PM
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

I’ve read a lot about the Coronavirus, trying to assess the impact on the economy in general and our business in particular. This is probably the best, most objective article I've read. It makes a compelling case for why we need to act quickly. It’s worth reading carefully and slowly. Many charts available to get a good grasp of what we are dealing with.

I can tell this much for businesses, by the time earning report comes out for Q1, you will get another huge sell off. Right now the sell off base on fears of covid and the uncertain of how this administration dealing with this disaster. Test kit failed, containment failed, public assurance failed. Even when FED pump 1 trillion into short term market, it did not do the trick today. Until someone can say we can get this virus contained and control much uncertainty exist. How low will this goes depends much on public assurance that things will be ok, but their gotta hard proof, people not that naive, in believing “everything is perfect, we are safe, we got very smart people” saying and blow up in their faces.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 12, 2020, 09:23:32 PM
Fox Article: Brazilian who met Trump has virus; no plans to test Trump

A senior Brazilian official who attended weekend events with President Donald Trump in Florida has tested positive for the coronavirus, marking the first time that someone known to have the virus was in close proximity to the president. Trump does not plan to be tested or go into self-quarantine, the White House said.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/brazilian-who-met-trump-has-virus-no-plans-to-test-trump/


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 12, 2020, 09:47:12 PM
We have a wonderful opportunity here to use a marker and watch the very public story of actual infection.  The public will follow Tom and Rita’s every tweet, ache and symptom. What a wonderful study....how much you wanna bet Eye, that they come through this just fine?  Won’t even make a good made for TV movie.

They look pretty good....

'There is no crying in baseball':

Tom Hanks shares a photo of him and his wife, quotes his A League Of Their Own character and says he and wife Rita Wilson are 'taking it one-day-at-a-time' after catching coronavirus


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8107629/Tom-Hanks-wife-Rita-Wilson-taking-one-day-time-testing-positive-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8107629/Tom-Hanks-wife-Rita-Wilson-taking-one-day-time-testing-positive-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 12, 2020, 10:55:50 PM
Taking the cues from the Chinese experience with COVID-19: Assuming a December 2019 start of the outbreak, a visible decline in the spread of cases has begun - 120 or so days later.

Assuming a January start in the US of COVID -19 exposure we may see a peak in cases in May and a real decline continuing throughout the Summertime.

We will see...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 13, 2020, 06:24:42 AM
Hanks and Wilson are interesting examples. The symptoms Hanks describe, JIMHO, most people would have shrugged off and headed to work previously.  Wilson's on off chills maybe being the exception if they realized she had a fever.

They got tested in Australia.  You, the average American, fat chance with just that of getting tested. 

Semi-facetious question, as I venture out on those required runs  am I better off heading to the poor part of town or the wealthy part of town.  Is my exposure risks high or lower at the District Target versus the Santa Ana target? Or the Orange Target?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Loco_local on March 13, 2020, 07:10:10 AM

Semi-facetious question, as I venture out on those required runs  am I better off heading to the poor part of town or the wealthy part of town.  Is my exposure risks high or lower at the Districf Target versus the Santa Ana target?

I wanted to ask the same thing. I have enough emergency supplies for two weeks, but what if this goes on until summer. I’m wondering where I should go. I’m thinking South County would be better stocked and less crowded.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 13, 2020, 07:29:27 AM
Politico Article: Australian official who met with AG Barr, Kellyanne Conway and Ivanka Trump tests positive for coronavirus

An Australian government minister who last week interacted with Attorney General William Barr, counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway and White House adviser Ivanka Trump announced Friday that he had tested positive for the coronavirus.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/australian-official-coronavirus-barr-conway-127988

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 13, 2020, 08:48:15 AM
Farmers markets are outdoors....less infection.
When you go out, pretend your hands are full of virus when you touch whatevers.  Don't touch your face until after you wash them.
Or as a way to not touch your face, you can rub dirt all over it....
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 13, 2020, 10:06:08 AM
Hanks and Wilson are interesting examples. The symptoms Hanks describe, JIMHO, most people would have shrugged off and headed to work previously.  Wilson's on off chills maybe being the exception if they realized she had a fever.

They got tested in Australia.  You, the average American, fat chance with just that of getting tested. 

Semi-facetious question, as I venture out on those required runs  am I better off heading to the poor part of town or the wealthy part of town.  Is my exposure risks high or lower at the District Target versus the Santa Ana target? Or the Orange Target?

I was talking to my wife the other day about this. As things were running out at the Costco target and district. I told her there is less money in the bad parts of town and there may have more items in stock as they may not have the funds to stock up. Also, they don’t travel so less likely to infect their local community.

With that said I went to the Walmart in foothill ranch and they had no sanitizers/disinfectant sprays. They had paper products and water though.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 13, 2020, 10:09:27 AM

Semi-facetious question, as I venture out on those required runs  am I better off heading to the poor part of town or the wealthy part of town.  Is my exposure risks high or lower at the Districf Target versus the Santa Ana target?

I wanted to ask the same thing. I have enough emergency supplies for two weeks, but what if this goes on until summer. I’m wondering where I should go. I’m thinking South County would be better stocked and less crowded.

If things get really bad here, I'm going to drive down to Mexico and become an undocumented immigrant there.

¿Dónde está el papel higiénico señor?

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 13, 2020, 11:39:35 AM
Corona costco seems fairly ok, although the lady told me it was a zoo in the morning.  No TP though...but plenty of water.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Loco_local on March 13, 2020, 11:50:27 AM

Semi-facetious question, as I venture out on those required runs  am I better off heading to the poor part of town or the wealthy part of town.  Is my exposure risks high or lower at the Districf Target versus the Santa Ana target?

I wanted to ask the same thing. I have enough emergency supplies for two weeks, but what if this goes on until summer. I’m wondering where I should go. I’m thinking South County would be better stocked and less crowded.

If things get really bad here, I'm going to drive down to Mexico and become an undocumented immigrant there.

¿Dónde está el papel higiénico señor?

That's not a bad idea since there seem to be few cases there.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 13, 2020, 12:09:46 PM
District Costco a madhouse this morning.

Lines all the way out to the parking lot just to get in.

I saw on the news that Trump may have had contact with another official who tested positive for C-19. How ironic would that be?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 13, 2020, 12:17:47 PM
Soylent Red went out to three different stores looking for general items (2 Ralphs, one Trader Joes) in the Mission Viejo area. All three were wiped out of... wipes... water, and strangely enough bagged rice. Lots of the more expensive pre-made rice, but the bagged was gone.

We have plenty of water on hand. It comes out of the tap. Hooodathought?

As a follow up, we had a germaphobe neighbor move last year to a small town in NW Arizona. He's evidently going to his local grocery store with a mask and rubber gloves.  Anyone seen folks like that over at their local Costco or other stores yet?

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 13, 2020, 12:27:37 PM
The girl who cuts my hair is Cambodian, but born here.  Her mother has stockpiled 17, 5 pound backs of Cal Rose rice...even she was stunned;D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 13, 2020, 12:38:57 PM
You know it's a pandemic when the non-Asians are stockpiling.

(was that racist?)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 13, 2020, 01:00:16 PM
Elementary school kid selling hand sanitizer to his classmates for 63 cents a squirt:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/hand-sanitizer-school-suspension-093345486.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 13, 2020, 01:28:27 PM
All your kids will be celebrating... no school until 4/6.

https://iusd.org/article/coronavirus-update-supt-walker

Quote
MARCH 13, 2020
ALL IUSD SCHOOLS TO CLOSE EFFECTIVE 3/16/20
Dear IUSD Community,

After careful deliberation, the Irvine Unified School District (IUSD) has made the decision to close all IUSD schools and facilities effective Monday, March 16 with an anticipated return date of Monday, April 6. The public health crisis created by COVID-19 has put our institutions, including K-12 school districts, in uncharted territory and we must take steps to prevent the spread of illness. In addition to proactive actions taken by IUSD, we will continue to follow the guidance of public health experts to protect our students, families, staff and the entire IUSD community.  As we have more information, we will communicate with our community and provide updates on iusd.org/COVID19.

The IUSD Board of Education held a special emergency Board Meeting today at 12:30 p.m. to discuss school closures and the rapidly changing COVID-19 situation. The Board of Education authorized me to take the necessary action to protect students and staff, including the closure of all IUSD schools and facilities.

“On behalf of the IUSD Board of Education, our first priority is the safety of our students, staff, families and community,” said President of the Board of Education Betty Carroll. “We stand prepared to support our Superintendent and District staff with all available resources as they work diligently to proactively protect and support our more than 36,000 students.”

What this Means
As a result of this rapidly changing situation, we are now at a point where public safety concerns warrant the closing of schools. While our school facilities will be closed, plans to support student learning, nutrition services, and childcare options, will be implemented.

IUSD will utilize Monday and Tuesday of next week to continue our planning efforts so that we can transition effectively to a distance learning environment that supports the diverse needs of our students.

Please know that IUSD understands that the closing of any school has significant consequences beyond the loss of instructional time and will result in challenges for many of our families. We are committed to providing available resources to support our families.

Next Steps
Additional information regarding these supports and services will be shared as soon as possible. On behalf of our school administrators, teachers and District, I thank our community for your understanding as we work to implement distance learning and provide continuity of instruction and services. The circumstances in California and the nation will undoubtedly pose challenges; however, if we practice patience and understand that adapting quickly is critical, we will be able to continue to serve and support our students and families.     

Social Distancing Guidance
Expert health agencies advise that to effectively support social distancing and the extraordinary measure of closing schools, students should stay home and minimize social contact as much as possible to keep caregivers and adult family members safe. While children have not been shown to be a high-risk group for serious illness from this virus, these steps are critical in supporting public health as they can transmit the virus to those most vulnerable.

Public health officials recommend that families make arrangements for childcare during closure that avoid leaving children with elderly people who are more vulnerable to the impact of the virus.

Stay Connected to IUSD
IUSD will communicate with you often and as we have new information. In the meantime, continue to visit iusd.org/COVID19 and District social media (Facebook, Instagram and Twitter) for updates. Please make sure your contact information is up to date in Parent Portal.

If you have questions, after reviewing the resources available at iusd.org/COVID19, please send them to info@iusd.org. We will do our best to answer questions in a timely manner and will regularly update our frequently asked questions.

Our District has always maintained that it is the “US” in IUSD that makes us stronger and successful as a district. This has been a stressful time for families and I thank you for your understanding of the many unique considerations of K-12 school districts in serving our diverse population. By working together, we can and will continue to support our students through this difficult time.

Thank you for your partnership and support.

Sincerely,

Terry Walker
Superintendent of School
Irvine Unified School District

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 13, 2020, 01:30:09 PM
How do I stock up to go camping without looking ridiculous?  I just want a 2 gallon jug of water and some plasticware FFS!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 13, 2020, 01:31:03 PM
You know it's a pandemic when the non-Asians are stockpiling.

(was that racist?)

But it is just a cough according to Morekas and others.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 13, 2020, 01:31:18 PM
Elementary school kid selling hand sanitizer to his classmates for 63 cents a squirt:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/hand-sanitizer-school-suspension-093345486.html
I'm going to take his dad's side on this one.  "Legendary"
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 13, 2020, 02:01:32 PM
That kids a hustler.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 13, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
So someone important has it. But I won’t mention her name. (Update: rumor. I do not know if it is true)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 13, 2020, 02:54:01 PM
Low infection count, cheap flights, 2 weeks no school... Hawaii anyone?

Or Wyoming. :(
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 13, 2020, 02:56:08 PM
Low infection count, cheap flights, 2 weeks no school... Hawaii anyone?

Or Wyoming. :(

I offered a deal to Mety, but he turned it down. Lol ;)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 13, 2020, 03:11:58 PM
Low infection count, cheap flights, 2 weeks no school... Hawaii anyone?

Or Wyoming. :(
Hawaii is in a terrible situation.   They can't afford the stigma of the virus taking hold there, but they can't afford to halt the tourism industry.  They're going to get screwed eventually.

But not before our trip there in May, hopefully.  (Wishful thinking, I know).
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 13, 2020, 03:20:36 PM
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/03/13/orange-county-superintendent-recommends-closure-of-all-public-schools-due-to-coronavirus-risk/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_content=fb-ocregister&fbclid=IwAR3edrnavHyoRlBH1Gc08tcRbMr05hm2rjuC2UNrFX-NCKuchoePivTSvC0
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 13, 2020, 03:27:09 PM
Irvine Costco (technology drive) out of stock:

Toilet paper - multiple brands
Lysol
Kleenex
Quinoa (??)
Arrowhead bottled water (Kirkland brand still avail)
Spam (!)
Milk - Horizon brand
Rice
Baby wipes
Nitrite Gloves
Tylenol
Mucinex
Sanitizer
Liquid soap

Walmart next door still had some liquid hand soap remaining, loose bottles and 6 bottle boxes.

Report from friend said Stater Brothers in La Habra area is out of toilet paper, milk, and almost out of bottled water.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cares on March 13, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Also the line to check out at Costco stretched all the way to the back of the store. I'm sure when it hits 4-6pm when people are off work it will be worse.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 13, 2020, 03:35:17 PM
Also pick up the masks if you can as they will also be sold everywhere. I picked up 10 from Target for $6.99 each. It seems like everything that happened in South Korea is starting to unfold here in the U.S.

Momopi is posting here not because he has nothing better to do, but he cares for this community. The mega Church I attend also announced that we will not gather for worship this Sunday which is the first time since its inception.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 13, 2020, 03:43:51 PM
Also pick up the masks if you can as they will also be sold everywhere. I picked up 10 from Target for $6.99 each. It seems like everything that happened in South Korea is starting to unfold here in the U.S.

Momopi is posting here not because he has nothing better to do, but he cares for this community. The mega Church I attend also announced that we will not gather for worship this Sunday which is the first time since its inception.

Ghetto way: use a fruit bag from the market or bag from store as a glove.
(Gas station, take out the trash) lol

Push come to shove - put a shirt/scarf/bandana over your face for a mask jkjk

(Ps do not rely on my funny advice. It is just for fun)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 13, 2020, 04:45:20 PM
Armed robbers jack $218 worth of toilet paper from delivery driver:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51527043
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 13, 2020, 08:02:12 PM
IUSD actually not closed for all.

Distance learning will be instituted as early as Wed 3/18 for some schools.

Check your emails and school website for details.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 13, 2020, 09:28:03 PM
The message today from President Trump along with business leaders is exactly what we need. Urgency and Emergency.

Speed up and bypass FDA red tapes for Roche to speed up the vaccine, buy and stockpile petro to curb the downward spiral and boost the oil industries, stockpile will save lots of those sector job. I think he did really well to curb and contain this outbreak.

Closures everywhere else. Almost apocalyptic like
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 13, 2020, 09:38:15 PM
The message today from President Trump along with business leaders is exactly what we need. Urgency and Emergency.

Speed up and bypass FDA red tapes for Roche to speed up the vaccine, buy and stockpile petro to curb the downward spiral and boost the oil industries, stockpile will save lots of those sector job. I think he did really well to curb and contain this outbreak.

Closures everywhere else. Almost apocalyptic like

A little too late. He finally like woke up to the fact it is more than a cough.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 13, 2020, 09:54:00 PM
You right, but I hope it’s better to be late than never.

Humanity depends on it. Now even kids diagnosed with covid.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 14, 2020, 12:26:39 AM
Here we go again.  Apple just announced closure of all retail locations until March 27th.  This is the first I’ve seen of a major retail shutdown in the US.  If this starts happening with other retailers, the hoarding will get worse because of fears that grocery and restaurants will close down and people can’t get food.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 14, 2020, 01:58:18 AM
Haven't been on TI for months  ;D but wanted to warn TI members/readers
My wife just got a text from work -

Western Digital Irvine Team:
 
We received the communication below from our landlord, LBA Realty, today informing Western Digital of a confirmed case of COVID-19 in an adjacent building, 3333 Michelson Drive. We are passing along LBA Realty’s communication.

If you are still unsure about the corona virus, please take a few minutes to read this short article.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

If you just want the TLDR, please know that

The coronavirus is coming to you.
It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.

We are all in this together. Please do your part. Thanks everyone


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: freedomcm on March 14, 2020, 08:44:33 AM
Did the orange menace actually say the below?  Roche does not make vaccines, they make a diagnostic test.

The message today from President Trump along with business leaders is exactly what we need. Urgency and Emergency.

Speed up and bypass FDA red tapes for Roche to speed up the vaccine, buy and stockpile petro to curb the downward spiral and boost the oil industries, stockpile will save lots of those sector job. I think he did really well to curb and contain this outbreak.

Closures everywhere else. Almost apocalyptic like
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinity on March 14, 2020, 09:38:48 AM
Long lines at Costco marketplace extending all the way out into parking lot today as well
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 09:58:31 AM
You right, but I hope it’s better to be late than never.

Humanity depends on it. Now even kids diagnosed with covid.

I am just taking a guess. But after that meeting with the Brazilian President woke him up.

Someone tell him to take the test!! 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 14, 2020, 10:12:41 AM
Per news, Trump indicated he took the test. Now, even if it's positive, will WH tell the truth? I guess not given his position as world leader.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Ready2Downsize on March 14, 2020, 11:24:51 AM
Haven't been on TI for months  ;D but wanted to warn TI members/readers
My wife just got a text from work -

Western Digital Irvine Team:
 
We received the communication below from our landlord, LBA Realty, today informing Western Digital of a confirmed case of COVID-19 in an adjacent building, 3333 Michelson Drive. We are passing along LBA Realty’s communication.

If you are still unsure about the corona virus, please take a few minutes to read this short article.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

If you just want the TLDR, please know that

The coronavirus is coming to you.
It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.

We are all in this together. Please do your part. Thanks everyone

Believe the treat in the hallway thing. I worked Labor and Delivery in the 1990's when we had a huge influx of Med-I-cal patients and UCI refused to take them. We had so many patients we literally did not have the beds in Labor and Delivery and the LDR rooms so many ended up in hallways with at best a portable screen. We didn't have enough nurses to take care of them as we should have. I worked 6-7 (yes every day) 12 hour shifts for months and still we didn't have enough. There was not enough monitors for everyone to be hooked up to central monitoring and at the end of the shift I was looking thru the fetal monitor strips charting what was on them and sometimes there were huge decelerations that would have been attended to immediately if I only knew but alas I was busy with deliveries or other laboring patients and just didn't know. Thank God the babies were ok.

Even if there are enough beds, we need the equipment, like ventilators. Vent patients require more health care workers too and they ARE going to get sick. It's not like we can get an unlimited number of nurses from staff, registries and travelers since this is a national issue.

Pray we have enough beds and health care workers.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 11:55:14 AM
Per news, Trump indicated he took the test. Now, even if it's positive, will WH tell the truth? I guess not given his position as world leader.

He is expects results in days according to nbc article.
Why days? He can get results quicker than that.

Stock up!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 14, 2020, 12:36:50 PM
The Philippine s has again solved the worlds problems!!!  I use tabo!! >:D



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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 01:46:04 PM
... :D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 04:29:00 PM
Where is the fake cough fake flu noise.
Morekas is like a frog jumps all over the place with no credibility.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 14, 2020, 06:22:25 PM
Trumps test came back negative.  I think he took extra Airborne or something.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 14, 2020, 06:25:43 PM
i went to Souplantation for lunch.  There was only like 5 people in the entire place.

The real test is the wait at Cheesecake Factory in Spectrum tonight at 7pm.  Anyone willing to check?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 06:39:11 PM
Trumps test came back negative.  I think he took extra Airborne or something.

But Ivanka is like under quarantine last time I checked.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 06:41:39 PM
i went to Souplantation for lunch.  There was only like 5 people in the entire place.

The real test is the wait at Cheesecake Factory in Spectrum tonight at 7pm.  Anyone willing to check?

Souplantation is like DIY aka get your own food in a public setting.
I avoid those places. Such as frozen Yogurt.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 06:50:56 PM
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti: “Maybe You Don’t Go Out To Dinner” – Instead, “Order Out”

https://deadline.com/2020/03/los-angeles-mayor-eric-garcetti-maybe-you-dont-go-out-to-dinner-instead-order-out-1202883347/

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 14, 2020, 08:29:04 PM
i went to Souplantation for lunch.  There was only like 5 people in the entire place.

The real test is the wait at Cheesecake Factory in Spectrum tonight at 7pm.  Anyone willing to check?


Went out to pickup food tonight since my wife crave Thai food.

Drove into the parking lot, typically really hard to find parking space in the Taiko plaza. Tonight was half of the lot open. Inside Thai cafe 3 tables occupied. The hosted sound down right depress as she said it really slow and never see it like this before. Paid and grab my to go food and peek out side and into Taiko. Usually there would be an hour wait on Saturday night, well you can have this place to yourself tonight. It starting to sink in to a lot of retails and eateries.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 08:48:19 PM
i went to Souplantation for lunch.  There was only like 5 people in the entire place.

The real test is the wait at Cheesecake Factory in Spectrum tonight at 7pm.  Anyone willing to check?


Went out to pickup food tonight since my wife crave Thai food.

Drove into the parking lot, typically really hard to find parking space in the Taiko plaza. Tonight was half of the lot open. Inside Thai cafe 3 tables occupied. The hosted sound down right depress as she said it really slow and never see it like this before. Paid and grab my to go food and peek out side and into Taiko. Usually there would be an hour wait on Saturday night, well you can have this place to yourself tonight. It starting to sink in to a lot of retails and eateries.

There is no need to worry about a cough. Lol
The admin should shut Morekas account already for spreading fake news. Lol
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 14, 2020, 08:53:19 PM
Bring it. Had dinner out with my mom tonight. >:D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 14, 2020, 08:58:47 PM
I speak for myself here, but I am OK with having opposing view.

Morekaos have his view and its OK.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 09:02:54 PM
What does your mom have to do with it? (Sympathy Card)
She did not tell you to spread fake news. You did it yourself.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: mads on March 14, 2020, 09:11:06 PM
Waiting in lines all day. To prepare for social distancing, have ended up doing the opposite of it  ???
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 14, 2020, 09:24:36 PM
Did the orange menace actually say the below?  Roche does not make vaccines, they make a diagnostic test.

The message today from President Trump along with business leaders is exactly what we need. Urgency and Emergency.

Speed up and bypass FDA red tapes for Roche to speed up the vaccine, buy and stockpile petro to curb the downward spiral and boost the oil industries, stockpile will save lots of those sector job. I think he did really well to curb and contain this outbreak.

Closures everywhere else. Almost apocalyptic like

No, he mentioned two different test providers and a third vaccine maker (i think) and talked clearing red tape for all of them.  He did talk about 500,000 tests  by monday and another 1,000,000 by end of week with 3 or 5 million in next month (that he said we won't need)

Take all with a grain of salt.  JIMHO, fairly stunning how hard he tried to stick to the script (apparently someone showed him the tape of the Fed injection rally just getting tanked as he talked before) and just couldn't help himself still going into me me me mode.

I only have two thoughts left on this:
1. when is the best time to brave the store to refresh the fresh milk supply
2. How bad is the public freak out when those 500,000 drive thru test for anybody start coming back positive and then numbers end of week or next and  go  4000, 8000, 16000?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 09:48:14 PM
Did the orange menace actually say the below?  Roche does not make vaccines, they make a diagnostic test.

The message today from President Trump along with business leaders is exactly what we need. Urgency and Emergency.

Speed up and bypass FDA red tapes for Roche to speed up the vaccine, buy and stockpile petro to curb the downward spiral and boost the oil industries, stockpile will save lots of those sector job. I think he did really well to curb and contain this outbreak.

Closures everywhere else. Almost apocalyptic like

No, he mentioned two different test providers and a third vaccine maker (i think) and talked clearing red tape for all of them.  He did talk about 500,000 tests  by monday and another 1,000,000 by end of week with 3 or 5 million in next month (that he said we won't need)

Take all with a grain of salt.  JIMHO, fairly stunning how hard he tried to stick to the script (apparently someone showed him the tape of the Fed injection rally just getting tanked as he talked before) and just couldn't help himself still going into me me me mode.

I only have two thoughts left on this:
1. when is the best time to brave the store to refresh the fresh milk supply
2. How bad is the public freak out when those 500,000 drive thru test for anybody start coming back positive and then numbers end of week or next and  go  4000, 8000, 16000?

But you said it was just a flu at the beginning. Also, you never responded to my comments. This is getting too easy. No wonder why Belly punked you around. (This like part 2. But I am better)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 14, 2020, 10:22:46 PM
What does your mom have to do with it? (Sympathy Card)
She did not tell you to spread fake news. You did it yourself.

She doesn’t scare easily. She survived the Japanese occupation of Manila and the execution of her father...she wanted oggi’s...who am I to deprive her?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 10:26:27 PM
What does your mom have to do with it? (Sympathy Card)
She did not tell you to spread fake news. You did it yourself.

She doesn%u2019t scare easily. She survived the Japanese occupation of Manila and the execution of her father...she wanted oggi%u2019s...who am I to deprive her?

But no one asked about or referred to your mom. I was talking about you.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 14, 2020, 10:36:50 PM
I don’t scare easy either.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 14, 2020, 10:41:19 PM
Again, what does your mom have to do with this?
Lol This is too funny.

Try a little bit harder and think it through. Ask yourself: does it make sense?


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 14, 2020, 10:46:28 PM
Don’t live in fear Eye. I don’t, my mom doesn’t either. Be happy and grateful. To live in fear will only make you miserable. Face life with joy.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 14, 2020, 11:25:05 PM
I checked Taiko at 7:30p they still had a 15min wait but not sure if all the tables were occupied.  Hopefully we can all still support our Irvine restaurants by ordering takeout from them.

I have a feeling though next weekend will be even worse if the world goes on lockdown this week.

I think next step is to shut down all domestic flights then close all restaurants.  Then curfews, then quarantine at home, then Martial law.  Hopefully we don’t get there.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 14, 2020, 11:30:43 PM
Also went to WalMart Foothill Ranch around 9pm, was busy but not too crazy.  They announced that they would close at 10pm, they are typically open until midnight.  People started getting frantic and a fight nearly broke out.

All the frozen food was gone and all the dairy was gone.  Got some soup, cup of noodles, dry pasta.  Was happy to even find those haha.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 15, 2020, 01:22:22 AM
Don’t live in fear Eye. I don’t, my mom doesn’t either. Be happy and grateful. To live in fear will only make you miserable. Face life with joy.

Bringing up your mom has nothing to do with this. Also, being happy and grateful, or miserable has nothing to do with this.



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: akkord on March 15, 2020, 07:40:08 AM
Pavilions by OH gets shipment Monday, spoke to the cart return guy when I tried to go last night around 10:30pm and they were already closed. For those of you hoarding Monday/Tuesday may be a good day to go. When I went this morning there was food depending on what you wanted, some produce, frozen stuff, canned fruits, beans, tons of snacks, etc. I picked up the most important thing though, beer! May make a totalwine trip later today too to get some more beer and scotch since I'm WFH indefinitely and wife is every other week for now. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 15, 2020, 09:22:11 AM
In typical Trump fashion most everything he said Friday was air.  Google walking back his statements.  Those retailers on stage basically saying we don't know how any of it is going to go.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/infighting-missteps-and-a-son-in-law-hungry-for-action-inside-the-trump-administrations-troubled-coronavirus-response/2020/03/14/530c28b4-6559-11ea-b3fc-7841686c5c57_story.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 15, 2020, 09:28:38 AM
Don’t live in fear Eye. I don’t, my mom doesn’t either. Be happy and grateful. To live in fear will only make you miserable. Face life with joy.

Like the homeless person ranting in front of the store.  If you've tried once,  you just side step and ignore them.  No point in arguing with intentional misinterpetation and seeing the invisible.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 15, 2020, 11:24:34 AM
Don’t live in fear Eye. I don’t, my mom doesn’t either. Be happy and grateful. To live in fear will only make you miserable. Face life with joy.

Like the homeless person ranting in front of the store.  If you've tried once,  you just side step and ignore them.  No point in arguing with intentional misinterpetation and seeing the invisible.

All I got to say. I am not the one telling people it is just a flu. But if Morekas wants to make the conversational emotional why not talk about puppies and kittens also.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 15, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
Rep. Katie Porter gets CDC chief to agree to pay for coronavirus testing

Democratic Rep. Katie Porter successfully pressed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention chief during a congressional hearing on Thursday to agree that the agency will pay for testing for the novel coronavirus.

The exchange came after President Donald Trump, while addressing the nation on Wednesday night, incorrectly implied that coronavirus patients could access free treatment. Many insurers have said they will pick up the cost of coronavirus testing for some policyholders, but not the treatment -- and a test or treatment that is covered is not necessarily free.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/politics/katie-porter-cdc-coronavirus-testing-white-board/index.html

If the test was not free. It would cost around $1300

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 15, 2020, 01:41:47 PM
 US has Travel restrictions on Europe  but why not China?
Countries like South Africa, India etc have excluded all nations having corona virus cases, this includes china. What gives with US not excluding China? Granted, China is containing it well now but still...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 15, 2020, 02:10:27 PM
US has Travel restrictions on Europe  but why not China?
Countries like South Africa, India etc have excluded all nations having corona virus cases, this includes china. What gives with US not excluding China? Granted, China is containing it well now but still...

I think the first travel restriction was China and is still in effect.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 15, 2020, 02:12:53 PM
Don’t live in fear Eye. I don’t, my mom doesn’t either. Be happy and grateful. To live in fear will only make you miserable. Face life with joy.

Like the homeless person ranting in front of the store.  If you've tried once,  you just side step and ignore them.  No point in arguing with intentional misinterpetation and seeing the invisible.

All I got to say. I am not the one telling people it is just a flu. But if Morekas wants to make the conversational emotional why not talk about puppies and kittens also.

Why don’t you just ignore him?

Online social distancing!!!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 15, 2020, 05:36:04 PM
Governor Newsom of California ordered bars to close, restaurants to operate at 1/2 capacity (patrons) and those 65+ to enter into a state of home isolation.  Asked if he would enforce these orders, Newsom said he doesn't think he will have to as he expects businesses and individuals to comply, however, he made it clear that he has the authority to enforce these orders if it becomes necessary.

https://www.presstelegram.com/2020/03/15/gov-newsom-orders-all-bars-to-close-californians-65-or-older-must-isolate-in-homes/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 15, 2020, 05:47:11 PM
Marshall Law, here it come.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 15, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
Marshall Law, here it come.

I am thinking about buying a mid size freezer.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 15, 2020, 06:36:11 PM
Just got back from happy hour...place was packed. Feel sorry for the waitress if governor nuisance closes all the bars. >:D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 15, 2020, 06:53:15 PM
Ha ha, good you have fun. i bet you hi-five everyone there too. Don’t forget to hugs the waitress on your way out. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 15, 2020, 07:00:36 PM
Marshall Law, here it come.

I am thinking about buying a mid size freezer.

It’s Martial Law.  Marshall Law is only enforced by TJMaxx and Ross.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 15, 2020, 07:04:39 PM
Ha ha, good you have fun. i bet you hi-five everyone there too. Don’t forget to hugs the waitress on your way out. :)

I was sure to
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 15, 2020, 07:27:03 PM
Marshall Law, here it come.

I am thinking about buying a mid size freezer.

good idea.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 15, 2020, 07:41:16 PM
This is from an "alternative" site so take it for what it is, however, I thought their scenario was interesting and somewhat plausible based on the panic buying happening now and the already increasing tension among shoppers. 

BREAKING: Federal government to control and oversee grocery distribution with govt / private sector partnerships: Wal-Mart, Costco, Target, Kroger, top grocery chains to be deemed “critical infrastructure” … Discussion in progress to secure food supply chain, using the national guard to do so.  Possibility of having drive through grocery whereby each family can purchase fixed priced food kits with basics such as milk, eggs, meat, bread, etc.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-15-federal-government-to-control-grocery-distribution-national-guard.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 15, 2020, 07:46:25 PM
Sure sounds like socialism to me. Is it already here without Bernie manning the helm?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 15, 2020, 07:58:54 PM
This is from an "alternative" site so take it for what it is, however, I thought their scenario was interesting and somewhat plausible based on the panic buying happening now and the already increasing tension among shoppers. 

BREAKING: Federal government to control and oversee grocery distribution with govt / private sector partnerships: Wal-Mart, Costco, Target, Kroger, top grocery chains to be deemed “critical infrastructure” … Discussion in progress to secure food supply chain, using the national guard to do so.  Possibility of having drive through grocery whereby each family can purchase fixed priced food kits with basics such as milk, eggs, meat, bread, etc.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-15-federal-government-to-control-grocery-distribution-national-guard.html
I hope this is false news.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 15, 2020, 08:12:05 PM
Serious question to ponder, and I ask this as someone who in general agrees that drastic measures are needed if we want to slow this down by any perceptible amount:

We can estimate the death toll of the virus and know roughly how many will die if we do nothing.

What is the social and economic cost of fighting it?  Which alternative is worse?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 15, 2020, 08:36:53 PM
I have been thinking about the same question above. I hope the administration and our leaders are considering the same.
UK seems to be taking the watch and watch approach.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 15, 2020, 08:42:22 PM
With the WFH option - employers seem to be offering this option but not making it mandatory to help slow the virus. I am wondering if I take the option while some others in the team decide to come into office for next 3 weeks, will I be viewed  disadvantageously by management at work?

I wish our leaders at work set an example by wfh during this period.

Any one else in this situation?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 15, 2020, 08:54:16 PM
With the WFH option - employers seem to be offering this option but not making it mandatory to help slow the virus. I am wondering if I take the option while some others in the team decide to come into office for next 3 weeks, will I be viewed  disadvantageously by management at work?

I wish our leaders at work set an example by wfh during this period.

Any one else in this situation?

Same situation here.  With inevitable layoffs coming up I don’t want to be viewed as the employee who took advantage of the flexible WFH policy and gets cut.

I know my manager doesn’t like WFH (he’s told me in confidence) but is forced to offer it.  They say this has no bearing on your performance evaluation but you know the fact that you went home is stuck in their minds.

Not a good situation to put your employees in, and I don’t think anyone will be hiring anytime soon so we’re at their mercy.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 15, 2020, 08:58:40 PM
Serious question to ponder, and I ask this as someone who in general agrees that drastic measures are needed if we want to slow this down by any perceptible amount:

We can estimate the death toll of the virus and know roughly how many will die if we do nothing.

What is the social and economic cost of fighting it?  Which alternative is worse?

If we do nothing, we would face massive civil unrest. Even if you take an extremely optimistic death rate of 1%, that’s over 3 million deaths. That kind of death count would mean we stop being a first world country.

As to which alternative is worse, I think it depends on where you stand on the current social and economic totem pole. I think everyone who’s on TI has benefited from the current social and economic order. To preserve the current social and economic order we can’t afford to do nothing. On the opposite end, there are definitely people who will be happy to watch the current world order burn down.

I think a lot of people (including the Trump administration) are betting on the situation not getting too dire. Therefore, you see this level of slow response to almost inaction.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 15, 2020, 09:06:30 PM
3 million deaths? Are you assuming 100% infection? That’s ridiculous.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 15, 2020, 09:11:12 PM
3 million deaths? Are you assuming 100% infection? That’s ridiculous.
He asked a hypothetical question - if we do nothing. If we do absolutely nothing (which we won't), 1% death rate is extremely optimistic.

I know you support Trump but this kind of triggered response is not a good look.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 15, 2020, 09:13:50 PM
I was in SF this weekend. The place is an utter ghost town. No waits for tables, no parking issues. Need a room? No problem.... At night there were a few groups of skaters rolling down Sutter, not straight down, but weaving slowly side, to side, to side, to side, as there was no opposing traffic to stop them. The drive through the financial district was traffic free - no Uber's, no taxi's, and thankfully not as many hobo's either. They may be hiding away as well to protect from infection. We heard only one or two sirens overnight - usually in the dozens.

With China and South Korea both seeing a leveling off of new cases, the peak is still ahead for the US. My guess is that the worst of it will be April/May, then a steep decline due to steps we've taken as a nation. Bear in mind that H1N1 killed 12,000 American's in 2009 (About 250k globally). No hoarding or mass panic took place then. Work from home orders were not given. Bars stayed open (as did theme parks!) yet 12,000 dead American's were the result of the last pandemic

BTW, I do so love this infographic:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/


Today's Coronavirus state of mind is driven by the short attention spans American's have, the amplification of any issue, good or bad, by Social Media, and a well earned distrust of Corporate Media which blurs what passes as truth today - something the Coronavirus battle sorely needs right now. That's all a pretty toxic brew for any society, especially now for one dealing with a genuine pandemic, making things seem that much worse than things really are.

In the end, this too will pass. I hope all of the hoarders will then donate their perishables to local food banks and soup kitchens - the one I recommend is here: http://www.someonecareskitchen.org/


My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 15, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Work from home was mandatory for everyone our office, including executives
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 15, 2020, 09:42:17 PM
I have been thinking about the same question above. I hope the administration and our leaders are considering the same.
UK seems to be taking the watch and watch approach.

I say we throw everything we got to funds and accelerate all possible venues and resources with the brightest mind at develop the vaccine. If we able to shore up a trillion dollars for some industries we can do this for the medication that can treat and cure the world population. Why is money spent to prop up stock market and not fix the root of the problem which is covid 19 and the fear and the disorder will subside tenfold.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 15, 2020, 10:02:54 PM
It took nearly 30 years to find the right mix of drugs to suppress HIV-AIDS. The kind of "all in" actions taken to solve Ebola contagion resulted in a somewhat successful vaccine in about 3 years time. We might catch a break here and have something in hand sooner than expected, but these kinds of breakthroughs aren't solved by money as much as they are by behavior changes - a tough thing to accomplish, but the fastest one known so far to work.

I'm with you on the Stock issue. Why the Tang Menace hasn't shut the markets yet is beyond me, Some say negative rates are coming soon. My guess is it will be Helicopter Money, as Bush did in the 2000's, but who knows at this stage!

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 16, 2020, 01:27:42 AM
Ohhhhh shutting the stock markets would be a bad idea.  It would freeze liquidity then be followed by banks shutting down or freezing accounts, then rioting and martial law with the national guard patrolling the streets of Hidden Canyon in Humvees.

Cannot do it, the markets should run their course even if it means 60%+ drop in equities.  Guarantee there’s still people with deep pockets that will buy when the time is right and make a crapload of $. 

The markets are efficient enough to bounce back.  The biggest 500 companies in the US can’t really be worth half of what they were 3 weeks ago, but that might be their valuation by end of the month.  Wish I had more powder.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on March 16, 2020, 01:40:07 AM
Not too far fetched the way things are proceeding. Looking at the rate of spread in Europe/Italy, the US will be in for a world if pain. I can see Trump declaring national mandatory 14 day quarantine and keeping only essential businesses open (food, gas, healthcare). Then set price controls for short term. It would be painful for everyone and stock market would take nose dive but this may save lives. Hopefully he does this sooner than later. Many public health experts recommend drastic measures early rather than waiting till it spreads beyond control.


This is from an "alternative" site so take it for what it is, however, I thought their scenario was interesting and somewhat plausible based on the panic buying happening now and the already increasing tension among shoppers. 

BREAKING: Federal government to control and oversee grocery distribution with govt / private sector partnerships: Wal-Mart, Costco, Target, Kroger, top grocery chains to be deemed “critical infrastructure” … Discussion in progress to secure food supply chain, using the national guard to do so.  Possibility of having drive through grocery whereby each family can purchase fixed priced food kits with basics such as milk, eggs, meat, bread, etc.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-15-federal-government-to-control-grocery-distribution-national-guard.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 16, 2020, 07:30:40 AM
Very weird right now. Many places closing early.

Grocery stores shortened their hours too which makes it harder for me because I used to go late night or early morning to avoid crowds... I have always been a social distancer. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 16, 2020, 07:58:17 AM
The Department of Health and Human Services reportedly came under siege from cyber attackers on Sunday as the department contends with the deadly coronavirus outbreak.


We are clearly at war. Cyberwarfare attacked at the critical hub of information for the public. This is really bad.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 16, 2020, 08:57:32 AM
Aaaannnd there it is.....

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-recession-direct-payments-americans-ubi-c3393d14-33ad-47c2-a739-f2fec150b212.html

These things start as a whisper, then a tweet, then full fledged policy.

We shall see.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 16, 2020, 09:03:58 AM
With China and South Korea both seeing a leveling off of new cases, the peak is still ahead for the US. My guess is that the worst of it will be April/May, then a steep decline due to steps we've taken as a nation. Bear in mind that H1N1 killed 12,000 American's in 2009 (About 250k globally). No hoarding or mass panic took place then. Work from home orders were not given. Bars stayed open (as did theme parks!) yet 12,000 dead American's were the result of the last pandemic

I think it would be a mistake to base your guess on China and S Korea.

China has enacted the largest mass quarantine in human history (over 50 million people forced quarantined!) They are also taking massive measures like sterilizing the entire city twice a day.

S Korea has one of the best testing system in place. Testing over 10k people daily. We have more than 6 times their population and we are doing less than 500. Also culturally S Koreans take pub health threats much more seriously than we Americans do. Best practices matter tremendously in a pandemic.

We have neither the capacity nor the public will that’s needed to bend the curve like  China or S Korea.

If you want to base your guess on another country, Italy is probably your best case. I think they just reported 368 coronavirus death on Sunday alone.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: akkord on March 16, 2020, 09:36:46 AM
With the WFH option - employers seem to be offering this option but not making it mandatory to help slow the virus. I am wondering if I take the option while some others in the team decide to come into office for next 3 weeks, will I be viewed  disadvantageously by management at work?

I wish our leaders at work set an example by wfh during this period.

Any one else in this situation?

Same situation here.  With inevitable layoffs coming up I don’t want to be viewed as the employee who took advantage of the flexible WFH policy and gets cut.

I know my manager doesn’t like WFH (he’s told me in confidence) but is forced to offer it.  They say this has no bearing on your performance evaluation but you know the fact that you went home is stuck in their minds.

Not a good situation to put your employees in, and I don’t think anyone will be hiring anytime soon so we’re at their mercy.

60+ % of our company is WFH including my boss and boss's manager.  The other 40% is every other 2 weeks in/out of the office (this will probably change).  My wife's company just made it mandatory to WFH starting the 18th.  My mom's company is WFH starting tomorrow for anyone that isn't mission critical or needs to be in the office, with today grabbing what they need from the office to bring home.

I think WFH going to be the norm, hopefully your managers don't hold it against you.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 16, 2020, 10:21:09 AM
Joke's on me.  My company is so flooded with WFH people that they can't handle the volume.  I cannot log in to work through the VPN.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 16, 2020, 10:33:03 AM
that's the issue with WFH.

One of the younger hotshot at my mother's after/Chinese school is pushing for online education for all students since the start of this virus

Sure, that's fine, but I know the network probably better than their hired IT girl (I used to volunteer there pretty frequently) and the facilities's internet speed and structure is not capable to handle heavy internet traffic from WFH and online teaching.

Funny thing is, their whole superiority complex over my mother was the fact they know how to work with the internet, but when my mother brought the package of question and concerns regarding to work/teach online that I prepped, they didn't have answer to most of them.

If the IT in your company is underfunded, been slacking in recent years, or too cheap to pay for faster internet speed  they are in for a rude wake up call.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 16, 2020, 10:37:20 AM
that's the issue with WFH.

One of the younger hotshot at my mother's after/Chinese school is pushing for online education for all students since the start of this update.

Sure, that's fine, but I know the network probably better than their hired IT girl (I used to volunteer there pretty frequently) and the facilities's internet speed and structure is not capable to handle heavy internet traffic from WFH and online teaching.

Funny thing is, their whole superiority complex over my mother was the fact they know how to work with the internet, but when my mother brought the package of question and concerns regarding to work/teach online that I prepped, they didn't have answer to most of them.

If the IT in your company is underfunded, been slacking in recent years, or too cheap to pay for faster internet speed  they are in for a rude wake up call.

Pdf the worksheets on the website. Lol
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on March 16, 2020, 12:12:33 PM
With China and South Korea both seeing a leveling off of new cases, the peak is still ahead for the US. My guess is that the worst of it will be April/May, then a steep decline due to steps we've taken as a nation. Bear in mind that H1N1 killed 12,000 American's in 2009 (About 250k globally). No hoarding or mass panic took place then. Work from home orders were not given. Bars stayed open (as did theme parks!) yet 12,000 dead American's were the result of the last pandemic

I think it would be a mistake to base your guess on China and S Korea.

China has enacted the largest mass quarantine in human history (over 50 million people forced quarantined!) They are also taking massive measures like sterilizing the entire city twice a day.

S Korea has one of the best testing system in place. Testing over 10k people daily. We have more than 6 times their population and we are doing less than 500. Also culturally S Koreans take pub health threats much more seriously than we Americans do. Best practices matter tremendously in a pandemic.

We have neither the capacity nor the public will that’s needed to bend the curve like  China or S Korea.

If you want to base your guess on another country, Italy is probably your best case. I think they just reported 368 coronavirus death on Sunday alone.


Yea, we don't have the capacity like S. Korea.  We are probably worst than Italy. 

Hospital beds per 1,000 people:
South Korea: 12.3
Germany: 8.0
France: 6.0
China: 4.3
Italy: 3.2
United States: 2.8

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/14/21179714/coronavirus-covid-19-hospital-beds-china
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: akkord on March 16, 2020, 01:11:43 PM
Joke's on me.  My company is so flooded with WFH people that they can't handle the volume.  I cannot log in to work through the VPN.

Wish I had that problem, been logged in since 5.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 16, 2020, 02:09:44 PM
Devil's advocate:

You also need to take into account scale, geography and infrastructure.

Italy, for example, is roughly the same size as California... but they have over 60m population while we have less than 40m.

The Vox article credits China for being able to build temporary hospitals but we can use current infrastructure as hospitals... stadiums, gyms, etc (all of which are not being used due to sports being cancelled).

But this is also why social distancing and flattening the curve is important... even if you are not worried about yourself (ahem morekaos), everything helps to prevent overloading our healthcare system.

This "simulator" helps illustrate the theory:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 16, 2020, 02:12:48 PM
Bay Area Shelter In Place.

https://apple.news/A7rwvMS6bTci8a8Rubou9Gg
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 16, 2020, 02:15:05 PM
Maybe someone already mentioned it. But The city of San Fran is locked down..
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 16, 2020, 02:22:17 PM
But why is the the healthcare system getting overloaded? Are people just going to rush to the hospital at the first signs of a cold? I read about cancer surgeries being put off because of a surge in Coronavirus. It’s quite amazing
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 16, 2020, 02:45:18 PM
But why is the the healthcare system getting overloaded? Are people just going to rush to the hospital at the first signs of a cold? I read about cancer surgeries being put off because of a surge in Coronavirus. It’s quite amazing

Math.  Scarily simple math.

It is a combination of only having 2.8 hospital beds per 1000 population.

It is also only having about 62,000 ventilators.

And about 50,000ish ICU beds.

Now, most  the ICU beds are already full.  Not with Covid-19, but with normal flu, CoPD, car accidents, regualr life.  Same with ventilators.

You add Covid-19, the problem boils to the 20% critical of the cases identified so far.  That's hospitalizations.  Many of which then need ICu or ventilators. 

But that is national.  The problem is local, really local.  Hospital level.  A 150 bed hospital probably has 20 ventilators.  Outbreak cluster, particularly if hitting elderly populatoon quickly overwhelms local capacity.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 16, 2020, 03:14:20 PM
Devil's advocate:

You also need to take into account scale, geography and infrastructure.

Italy, for example, is roughly the same size as California... but they have over 60m population while we have less than 40m.

The Vox article credits China for being able to build temporary hospitals but we can use current infrastructure as hospitals... stadiums, gyms, etc (all of which are not being used due to sports being cancelled).

But this is also why social distancing and flattening the curve is important... even if you are not worried about yourself (ahem morekaos), everything helps to prevent overloading our healthcare system.

This "simulator" helps illustrate the theory:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

We have neither the capacity like China to build temp hospitals nor the surplus of healthcare workers to handle the increase. China can force all their health workers to work around the clock, use interns and trainee to staff up, and even summon retired healthcare workers to fill in.

We live in a free country so this will not happen on a massive scale. Our healthcare system is already running close to full capacity prior to Covid-19. People often don’t think about the downside of a capitalistic healthcare system.

I don’t even think US as a country is capable of a true lockdown, enforcing marshal law. The only realistic thing Americans can achieve is social distancing. But look around your local places or just on TI. There are plenty of people complaining or even fighting it.

People who think they’re invincible to the coronavirus should know that even if they don’t care about the sick or the elderly or their own grandparents, if they get into an accident and the hospital is full, which is more likely in a mass panic, they’ll die on the streets like everyone else.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 16, 2020, 03:18:40 PM
Are you guys saying the recession is coming (or has come) not because of financial crisis nor because of bad mortgage payments but because of the flu-like (or something more severe) virus? Man, it's always something no one has predicted. NO, YOU ARE NOT GOD.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 16, 2020, 03:21:24 PM
@Mety: Weren't you just asking me a few weeks ago how would the coronavirus affect our economy?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 16, 2020, 03:28:08 PM
@Mety: Weren't you just asking me a few weeks ago how would the coronavirus affect our economy?

Not sure. I think we were talking about TP being in stock or not couple weeks or days ago.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 16, 2020, 04:38:03 PM
Not too far fetched the way things are proceeding. Looking at the rate of spread in Europe/Italy, the US will be in for a world if pain. I can see Trump declaring national mandatory 14 day quarantine and keeping only essential businesses open (food, gas, healthcare). Then set price controls for short term. It would be painful for everyone and stock market would take nose dive but this may save lives. Hopefully he does this sooner than later. Many public health experts recommend drastic measures early rather than waiting till it spreads beyond control.


This is from an "alternative" site so take it for what it is, however, I thought their scenario was interesting and somewhat plausible based on the panic buying happening now and the already increasing tension among shoppers. 

BREAKING: Federal government to control and oversee grocery distribution with govt / private sector partnerships: Wal-Mart, Costco, Target, Kroger, top grocery chains to be deemed “critical infrastructure” … Discussion in progress to secure food supply chain, using the national guard to do so.  Possibility of having drive through grocery whereby each family can purchase fixed priced food kits with basics such as milk, eggs, meat, bread, etc.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-15-federal-government-to-control-grocery-distribution-national-guard.html

Totally agree.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 16, 2020, 04:56:22 PM
Are you guys saying the recession is coming (or has come) not because of financial crisis nor because of bad mortgage payments but because of the flu-like (or something more severe) virus? Man, it's always something no one has predicted. NO, YOU ARE NOT GOD.

I am definitely not god, but I did come close  >:D

I think we will only see a 5% price drop by 2020. But I would not use this dip to buy because I see a potential doomsday scenario beyond 2020 with a US economy slowdown compounded by a China meltdown. If that happens, we could see a 15-20% drop and that will be the buying opportunity.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 16, 2020, 05:12:50 PM
Are you guys saying the recession is coming (or has come) not because of financial crisis nor because of bad mortgage payments but because of the flu-like (or something more severe) virus? Man, it's always something no one has predicted. NO, YOU ARE NOT GOD.

I am definitely not god, but I did come close  >:D

I think we will only see a 5% price drop by 2020. But I would not use this dip to buy because I see a potential doomsday scenario beyond 2020 with a US economy slowdown compounded by a China meltdown. If that happens, we could see a 15-20% drop and that will be the buying opportunity.

Wait a minute. You were saying a Chinese meltdown would cause a US slowdown that would cause a doomsday scenario.

This is the other way around. This is a doomsday scenario that is causing an economic meltdown.

There is no AI causality here. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 16, 2020, 05:14:21 PM
@Mety: Weren't you just asking me a few weeks ago how would the coronavirus affect our economy?

Not sure. I think we were talking about TP being in stock or not couple weeks or days ago.

Fear.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 16, 2020, 05:24:37 PM
Scenario 1 - Things get better and Trump becomes a hero.

Scenario 2 - Things get worse and Trump gives the Presidency to Biden.

Both cases, Trump don't have much to loose. ;D What a genius.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 16, 2020, 05:27:30 PM
Are you guys saying the recession is coming (or has come) not because of financial crisis nor because of bad mortgage payments but because of the flu-like (or something more severe) virus? Man, it's always something no one has predicted. NO, YOU ARE NOT GOD.

I am definitely not god, but I did come close  >:D

I think we will only see a 5% price drop by 2020. But I would not use this dip to buy because I see a potential doomsday scenario beyond 2020 with a US economy slowdown compounded by a China meltdown. If that happens, we could see a 15-20% drop and that will be the buying opportunity.

Not trying to get too religious, but Satan always tries to mimic God if you read the Bible. He always comes pretty close, but never is God thus many get deceived. Anyways, I'm not saying you're like Satan. I believe you give good and valuable opinions here.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 16, 2020, 05:36:43 PM
Not trying to get too religious, but Satan always tries to mimic God if you read the Bible. He always comes pretty close, but never is God thus many get deceived. Anyways, I'm not saying you're like Satan. I believe you give good and valuable opinions here.

No offense taken. I am also not religious so don't worry.

Thanks for valuing my opinion. My contrarian view here isn't always well received.  :'(
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 16, 2020, 05:38:52 PM

Wait a minute. You were saying a Chinese meltdown would cause a US slowdown that would cause a doomsday scenario.

This is the other way around. This is a doomsday scenario that is causing an economic meltdown.

There is no AI causality here. :)

Which is why I said I came close, not “ I was right”

If you remember another prediction on TI that was even closer than mine, feel free to share it.

On the AI front, did you see the most recent 60 minutes episode on autonomous trucking? Things are definitely trending the direction I predicted. On top of that Romney just came out supporting a Emergency UBI. Things I’ve been talking about in principle.

Today is a good day for members of the #YangGang (minus the coronavirus of course)

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 16, 2020, 09:27:19 PM
I predict, in the very near future it will become quite fashionable to get the coronavirus. >:D

Tom Hanks Says He Has Coronavirus


The actor said he and his wife, Rita Wilson, had tested positive while in Australia, where he is set to begin production on a film.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html)

Anyone who’s anyone has got Corona...embrace the rapture!!

Idris Elba urges fans not to 'freak out' as he confirms he has tested positive for coronavirus COVID-19... but is yet to discover if wife Sabrina has also contracted the virus


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8118243/Idris-Elba-confirmed-tested-positive-coronavirus-says-feels-ok.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8118243/Idris-Elba-confirmed-tested-positive-coronavirus-says-feels-ok.html)
 
Game of Thrones star Kristofer Hivju reveals he has tested positive for the coronavirus


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8119105/Game-Thrones-star-Kristofer-Hivju-reveals-tested-positive-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8119105/Game-Thrones-star-Kristofer-Hivju-reveals-tested-positive-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 17, 2020, 12:08:19 AM
Here's my time capsule of grading our efforts, to be opened 2 weeks from today:  If in 2 weeks we have as many cases of COV-19 as China, then our efforts to slow the spread by closing everything down was a dismal failure and had no effect.  If we have fewer than 20,000 cases then our efforts were an amazing success.  We can interpolate or extrapolate our success/failure by how close to, or beyond, either goalpost we end up at.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 12:28:22 AM
NBC article: Beverly Hills Rodeo Drive closed to shoppers

Beverly Hill’s iconic Rodeo Drive and the rest of the city’s “non-essential” retail stores are being ordered closed for most business to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-u-s-cities-close-public-buildings-global-n1160106/ncrd1161286#liveBlogHeader

  ???

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on March 17, 2020, 02:44:37 AM
We need a mandatory national lockdown if we are serious about bending the curve. There is too much local variability in the public health response from state to state or county to county. If we have any chance of saving thousands of lives, Trump and CDC needs to lock the whole country down now. Ban travel, close non essential businesses, shutdown schools, enact price controls, and start building mobile hospitals. He could also force private manufacturers under emergency deceleration to stop making widgets and start making masks and other essential medical equipment for hospitals.

Here's my time capsule of grading our efforts, to be opened 2 weeks from today:  If in 2 weeks we have as many cases of COV-19 as China, then our efforts to slow the spread by closing everything down was a dismal failure and had no effect.  If we have fewer than 20,000 cases then our efforts were an amazing success.  We can interpolate or extrapolate our success/failure by how close to, or beyond, either goalpost we end up at.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 06:29:36 AM
Forget the cases numbers they are too hard to pin down accurately even with testing. Some will have it and be asymptotic and never be tested, some will false positive, some will have it and not test, the inaccuracies are massive. Watch the death rates...those are definitive, if you die from it they will know, that stat is solid. So far 85, if you sub out the 22 in one convalescent home you have 63 deaths so far (a bad week in Chicago).  If they don’t skyrocket we win. I don’t think they will.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on March 17, 2020, 07:17:52 AM
South Coast Plaza also closed for 2 weeks after store employee tests positive for Coronavirus.

https://www.latimes.com/story/2020-03-16/south-coast-plaza-closes-for-two-weeks-after-store-employee-tests-positive-for-covid-19

Also all LA Fitness closed until April 1sr. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 08:03:28 AM
Get ready for the bailout times 10. Which airline company will receive the most money?

Trump aka the bailout man. He did it with the farms and now others.
But how about the average person that can not get tissue paper? Lol
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 08:35:08 AM
So, now we know who's who.  If the death rates exceed those of our last pandemic benchmark (Swine Flu) then we were unprepared (no panic in 2009 at that level)...if they fall below, then all this panic was for naught...That number is 17,000 American deaths according to the CDC.

Swine flu has killed up to 17,000 in U.S.: report

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 08:36:10 AM
Get ready for the bailout times 10. Which airline company will receive the most money?

Trump aka the bailout man. He did it with the farms and now others.
But how about the average person that can not get tissue paper? Lol

Get in line for the Trump Bucks. Lets go
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: curious george on March 17, 2020, 08:40:20 AM
So, now we know who's who.  If the death rates exceed those of our last pandemic benchmark (Swine Flu) then we were unprepared (no panic in 2009 at that level)...if they fall below, then all this panic was for naught...That number is 17,000 American deaths according to the CDC.

Swine flu has killed up to 17,000 in U.S.: report

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212)

How long it took to kill 17K from the swine flu?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 08:53:50 AM
So, now we know who's who.  If the death rates exceed those of our last pandemic benchmark (Swine Flu) then we were unprepared (no panic in 2009 at that level)...if they fall below, then all this panic was for naught...That number is 17,000 American deaths according to the CDC.

Swine flu has killed up to 17,000 in U.S.: report

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212)

How long it took to kill 17K from the swine flu?

“CDC estimates that between 41 million and 84 million cases of 2009 H1N1 occurred between April 2009 and January 16, 2010,”  the agency said in a statement. Usually the CDC goes with a middle number, which it puts at about 57 million people infected.

Between 8,330 and 17,160 people died during that time from H1N1, with a middle range of about 12,000, the CDC said. But between 880 and 1,800 children died, up to 13,000 adults under the age of 65 and only 1,000 to 2,000 elderly.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 10:03:37 AM
The Trump administration can hand out money. But a simple but complicated shutdown will help contain this virus.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 10:23:16 AM
Sat last night till midnight in one of our waterfront restaurants..know the owners and they are closing till April 1.  Sat and ate and drank anything we wanted for free till midnight cause he had to thow away all the fresh food and fish they had on hand...all the rest went into the trash cans.  Total waste...felt so sorry for the waitresses and bartenders, tipped them out heavily as they are out of work for who knows how long? 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 10:42:33 AM
The WH and GOP senate guy the paid sick leave bill for Americans. Way to go...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 17, 2020, 10:55:37 AM
So why is that Covid-19 is seen as a bigger impact than H1N1, which technically was more severe? I don't remember places being shut down and lockdown or etc. in 2009. How was stock doing then BTW?

Is Covid-19 really a bigger threat because it's a brand new virus? Or could it be that since almost everyone is exposed to the media and global news, people are taking things seriously more than before, in both good and bad ways?

 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 10:58:43 AM
So why is that Covid-19 is seen as a bigger impact than H1N1, which technically was more severe? I don't remember places being shut down and lockdown or etc. in 2009. How was stock doing then BTW?

Is Covid-19 really a bigger threat because it's a brand new virus? Or could it be that since almost everyone is exposed to the media and global news, people are taking things seriously more than before, in both good and bad ways?

 


Bat virus..
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
Where and which country reporting the least infection right now? Russia? India? What are the infecting rate there?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 17, 2020, 11:02:27 AM
So why is that Covid-19 is seen as a bigger impact than H1N1, which technically was more severe? I don't remember places being shut down and lockdown or etc. in 2009. How was stock doing then BTW?

Is Covid-19 really a bigger threat because it's a brand new virus? Or could it be that since almost everyone is exposed to the media and global news, people are taking things seriously more than before, in both good and bad ways?

Been having the same discussions.

I think because one is flu-like which we have experience with treating and working through, it was more of a known "threat". With Covid, because carriers can be asymptomatic but still contagious makes it harder to prevent spread. Also, once it gets serious, in many cases hospitalization is required and to relieve the sympoms (difficulty breathing, etc) is much harder... whereas with H1N1, many people I know where able to recover at home.

Plus I don't recall H1N1 having a massive infection curve like Covid.

As for stocks, they already took a hit from the financial crisis late in 2008 so I think it just flattened out.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 17, 2020, 11:03:09 AM

Bat virus..

Because, I'm Bat-virus
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 11:04:19 AM
So why is that Covid-19 is seen as a bigger impact than H1N1, which technically was more severe? I don't remember places being shut down and lockdown or etc. in 2009. How was stock doing then BTW?

Is Covid-19 really a bigger threat because it's a brand new virus? Or could it be that since almost everyone is exposed to the media and global news, people are taking things seriously more than before, in both good and bad ways?

 

Markets went up 19% in 2009. Media was focused on Obamacare...barely noticed all the dead Americans in the streets.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 11:06:14 AM
Where and which country reporting the least infection right now? Russia? India? What are the infecting rate there?

Here is a good real time website to follow the game.

https://www.bing.com/covid (https://www.bing.com/covid)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 17, 2020, 11:07:58 AM
With Covid, because carriers can be asymptomatic but still contagious makes it harder to prevent spread.
This is the key.  COVID-19 has the potential to infect greater #s.   Deaths = (mortality rate) * (# infected).  This one has bad potential to have high values for both.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
With Covid, because carriers can be asymptomatic but still contagious makes it harder to prevent spread.
This is the key.  COVID-19 has the potential to infect greater #s.   Deaths = (mortality rate) * (# infected).  This one has bad potential to have high values for both.

Yup they are comparing it to other flus. But they need to compare it to SARS or MERS. (scary sh7 yo)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2020, 11:11:36 AM
Where and which country reporting the least infection right now? Russia? India? What are the infecting rate there?

Here is a good real time website to follow the game.

https://www.bing.com/covid (https://www.bing.com/covid)

You guys are pretty smart, so figure this out ZERO (0) death in Russia and 109 active case. And covid “suppose” to thrive in cold climate.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 11:13:17 AM
7856 worldwide fatalities...85 Americans dead so far..those are the numbers to watch...by the way H1N1 had over 300,000 hospitalizations and a higher mortality rate.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 11:15:07 AM
7856 worldwide fatalities...85 Americans dead so far..those are the numbers to watch...by the way H1N1 had over 300,000 hospitalizations and a higher mortality rate.

It is a different type of disease. Do you compare this to diabities?
Do you compare a civic to a Ferrari?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2020, 11:15:41 AM
Who want the world to be as disorganized as much much as possible?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 17, 2020, 11:16:30 AM
So why is that Covid-19 is seen as a bigger impact than H1N1, which technically was more severe? I don't remember places being shut down and lockdown or etc. in 2009. How was stock doing then BTW?

Is Covid-19 really a bigger threat because it's a brand new virus? Or could it be that since almost everyone is exposed to the media and global news, people are taking things seriously more than before, in both good and bad ways?

 

Markets went up 19% in 2009. Media was focused on Obamacare...barely noticed all the dead Americans in the streets.

I was looking at the time frame from late 2009 to early 2010 (the flu season), Dow looks like it stayed around 10kish.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2020, 11:16:52 AM
Zero death in Russia and this is pandemic?

Where is all the smart people here?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 17, 2020, 11:19:06 AM
Where and which country reporting the least infection right now? Russia? India? What are the infecting rate there?

Here is a good real time website to follow the game.

https://www.bing.com/covid (https://www.bing.com/covid)

You guys are pretty smart, so figure this out ZERO (0) death in Russia and 109 active case. And covid “suppose” to thrive in cold climate.

Or Russia is not reporting true numbers. :)

What boggles my mind is India... so crowded, in between China and Iran and much lower infection rate (and they have traveled extensively too).
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 17, 2020, 11:19:18 AM
How many of you are really interested in hearing Panda's opinion where this corona virus is headed in the U.S.?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
7856 worldwide fatalities...85 Americans dead so far..those are the numbers to watch...by the way H1N1 had over 300,000 hospitalizations and a higher mortality rate.

It is a different type of disease. Do you compare this to diabities?
Do you compare a civic to a Ferrari?

Yes, this is catorgorizes as a pandemic by WHO and CDC...so were all these others, and even in comparison this one is Horton Hears a Who (If you are a visual learner). It is never "different this time".

How coronavirus compares to history's deadliest pandemics: Visual timeline pits COVID-19 against Black Death, smallpox and AIDS - as experts warn current crisis could rival Spanish flu 'in its lethality and scale'
Shows bubonic plague, also known as Black Death, killed 200million people and most lethal of all pandemics
1918 Spanish flu outbreak claimed lives of almost 50million people in just one year after racing around globe
By comparison, COVID-19 killed more than 7,000 people and infected 182,000 since outbreak in December
Scientists say the 'scale' and 'lethality' of the virus is on the scale of Spanish flu and warn of lack of vaccine
Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8120631/Visual-timeline-coronavirus-compares-historys-deadly-pandemics.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8120631/Visual-timeline-coronavirus-compares-historys-deadly-pandemics.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 17, 2020, 11:20:32 AM
So why is that Covid-19 is seen as a bigger impact than H1N1, which technically was more severe? I don't remember places being shut down and lockdown or etc. in 2009. How was stock doing then BTW?

Is Covid-19 really a bigger threat because it's a brand new virus? Or could it be that since almost everyone is exposed to the media and global news, people are taking things seriously more than before, in both good and bad ways?

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

The swine flu was highly infection but super mild.; Last year's was worse.

Swine flu: 60,000,000 infections, 274,000 hospitalizations, 12,000 deaths.

From Hospitalization, that’s a 0.4% hospitalization rate.  It was new so it infection 2x normal, it just didn’t put them in the hospital.

Covid-19 is new, the concern is it infects like the flu and we will have 60,000,000 infected over six months.  With limited testing so far the hospitalization rate is closer to 20%.   Or 12,000,000 hospitalizations.

Will it be lower, most likely.  But you can see, at 10x lower it is still 5x as bad as swine flu for hospitalizations .  3x as bad as average flu.  This is why failed testing is so important and why demographic statistics of those tested is important.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 11:21:26 AM
Where and which country reporting the least infection right now? Russia? India? What are the infecting rate there?

Here is a good real time website to follow the game.

https://www.bing.com/covid (https://www.bing.com/covid)

You guys are pretty smart, so figure this out ZERO (0) death in Russia and 109 active case. And covid “suppose” to thrive in cold climate.

Or Russia is not reporting true numbers. :)

What boggles my mind is India... so crowded, in between China and Iran and much lower infection rate (and they have traveled extensively too).

Same with Mexico...I think they are under-reporting on purpose.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on March 17, 2020, 11:25:15 AM
I think we can all agree that every country has under reported cases, whether it's on purpose or if it's because some people have either almost no symptoms or very mild ones who will never get tested. My guess is that there are probably 50x more people infected in the US than what is reported but the majority.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 11:26:19 AM
So why is that Covid-19 is seen as a bigger impact than H1N1, which technically was more severe? I don't remember places being shut down and lockdown or etc. in 2009. How was stock doing then BTW?

Is Covid-19 really a bigger threat because it's a brand new virus? Or could it be that since almost everyone is exposed to the media and global news, people are taking things seriously more than before, in both good and bad ways?

 

Markets went up 19% in 2009. Media was focused on Obamacare...barely noticed all the dead Americans in the streets.

I was looking at the time frame from late 2009 to early 2010 (the flu season), Dow looks like it stayed around 10kish.

Dow Jones Industrial Average - Historical Annual Data

Year   Average Closing Price   Annual % Change
2010    10,668.58                 11.02%
2009   8,885.65                     18.82%
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2020, 11:26:54 AM
Where and which country reporting the least infection right now? Russia? India? What are the infecting rate there?

Here is a good real time website to follow the game.

https://www.bing.com/covid (https://www.bing.com/covid)

You guys are pretty smart, so figure this out ZERO (0) death in Russia and 109 active case. And covid “suppose” to thrive in cold climate.

Or Russia is not reporting true numbers. :)

What boggles my mind is India... so crowded, in between China and Iran and much lower infection rate (and they have traveled extensively too).

Russia has NO death because the immune system has been exposed to the covid 19. Now that’s something to think about.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 17, 2020, 11:29:39 AM
OK. So even with given facts that Covid-19 could potentially carry higher risks, 12,000 deaths in U.S. alone from H1N1 is like crazy high fatality. I don't remember this was discussed at all. Imagine that kind of deaths were to occur now. Social media would have pandemic!

@eyephone, you say we can't compare Covid-19 with H1N1, but we have to in a way because we should compare to the last pandemic with the current one. One of your points is valid though since SARS and MERS are all part of a coronavirus family.

So since CV pointed out some big countries don't even have much of this virus going on, this is starting to look really weird to me.

@Panda, I'm interested to hear your opinion. Share please.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 11:35:27 AM
OK. So even with given facts that Covid-19 could potentially carry higher risks, 12,000 deaths in U.S. alone from H1N1 is like crazy high fatality. I don't remember this was discussed at all. Imagine that kind of deaths were to occur now. Social media would have pandemic!

@eyephone, you say we can't compare Covid-19 with H1N1, but we have to in a way because we should compare to the last pandemic with the current one. One of your points is valid though since SARS and MERS are all part of a coronavirus family.

So since CV pointed out some big countries don't even have much of this virus going on, this is starting to look really weird to me.

@Panda, I'm interested to hear your opinion. Share please.

This is why the death rate is the hard data that is relevant.  So far infection rates are inaccurate, fungible or non reported...fatalities cannot be denied and are provable...so far this one does not rate against H1N1...that may change but here in the US and the totals for the world don't look too scary. I want to hear your take Panda.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 17, 2020, 11:37:50 AM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the U.S. intensely tested like ROK that U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 17, 2020, 11:37:58 AM
When someone dies of the regular flu, doe he get checked for this china virus?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 11:44:34 AM
OK. So even with given facts that Covid-19 could potentially carry higher risks, 12,000 deaths in U.S. alone from H1N1 is like crazy high fatality. I don't remember this was discussed at all. Imagine that kind of deaths were to occur now. Social media would have pandemic!

@eyephone, you say we can't compare Covid-19 with H1N1, but we have to in a way because we should compare to the last pandemic with the current one. One of your points is valid though since SARS and MERS are all part of a coronavirus family.

So since CV pointed out some big countries don't even have much of this virus going on, this is starting to look really weird to me.

@Panda, I'm interested to hear your opinion. Share please.

The numerical comparison is a joke. If we did a no fly zone, shutdown, dont come in or out. We would not be in this situation!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 17, 2020, 11:51:10 AM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the Real U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.

As of now, I can't say I agree or disagree. I still have not come to a conclusion that this virus came from bats. I personally take time to think through and make a final decision. Which is I can't be good at stock. Which is why I'm not as smart or sexy as eyephone and IHO. But anyways, we're all free to share our opinions as long as we're not discriminating anyone. I do hope that we don't end up double amount infected rate of China though.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 17, 2020, 11:53:50 AM
Mety, although the United States is the wealthiest and the most powerful country in the world, unfortunately we as Americans are not so wealthy when it comes to our physical and health vs ROK. ROK is among the physically wealthy as the average S. Korean woman lives 20 years more than the average American women. The average American male is 40 lbs heavier than the average S. Korean male make living in ROK. I am excluded from this stats. I believe this is one of the reasons why the death rate per percentage of the cases are so low compared to Italy where the population is similar. Unfortunately, the U.S. will follow a similar path to that of Italy and whatever the stats are Italy, I estimate that the stats for the U.S. will be 6X that of Italy. 

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ykn4x0yqz4fik2/chart.png?raw=1)



https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the Real U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.

As of now, I can't say I agree or disagree. I still have not come to a conclusion that this virus came from bats. I personally take time to think through and make a final decision. Which is I can't be good at stock. Which is why I'm not as smart or sexy as eyephone and IHO. But anyways, we're all free to share our opinions as long as we're not discriminating anyone. I do hope that we don't end up double amount infected rate of China though.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 11:57:16 AM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the U.S. intensely tested like ROK that U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.

OK, stipulate it is 160,000 cases with a similar mortality...that's still about 6500 dead.  Not even halfway to H1N1 fatality number and probably would not include the 1800 US children that were struck down in 2009.... this version does seem to have an appetite for children, thank God. Now use the higher Italian mortality rate and the same 6x Italian  infection rate ( same 180k) you would get around 12,800 dead...lower end of the H1N1 range but less.  Would those numbers justify today's hysterical panic?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 17, 2020, 12:02:26 PM
Morekaos,
If we are to forecast this thing here in the U.S. I think that we will follow a similar case vs death ratio to that of Italy vs ROK, but 6X of the number of Italy.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the Real U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.

As of now, I can't say I agree or disagree. I still have not come to a conclusion that this virus came from bats. I personally take time to think through and make a final decision. Which is I can't be good at stock. Which is why I'm not as smart or sexy as eyephone and IHO. But anyways, we're all free to share our opinions as long as we're not discriminating anyone. I do hope that we don't end up double amount infected rate of China though.

PANDEMIC, yet no death in RUSSIA? The way this virus spread, it is not spreading and kill in Russia, what happen there?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 12:08:11 PM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the Real U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.

As of now, I can't say I agree or disagree. I still have not come to a conclusion that this virus came from bats. I personally take time to think through and make a final decision. Which is I can't be good at stock. Which is why I'm not as smart or sexy as eyephone and IHO. But anyways, we're all free to share our opinions as long as we're not discriminating anyone. I do hope that we don't end up double amount infected rate of China though.

Let me guess you will blame the US Army for this like what China said. Get out of here!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 12:11:20 PM
Morekaos,
If we are to forecast this thing here in the U.S. I think that we will follow a similar case vs death ratio to that of Italy vs ROK, but 6X of the number of Italy.

Do not pay attention to him. He is spreading disinformation.
Just wait until he talks about his mom for sympathy. Lol
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
Morekaos,
If we are to forecast this thing here in the U.S. I think that we will follow a similar case vs death ratio to that of Italy vs ROK, but 6X of the number of Italy.

Do not pay attention to him. He is spreading disinformation.
Just wait until he talks about his mom for sympathy. Lol

Please...dispute the numbers.  My Mom is doing great by the way...thanks for asking.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 17, 2020, 12:25:00 PM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the Real U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.

As of now, I can't say I agree or disagree. I still have not come to a conclusion that this virus came from bats. I personally take time to think through and make a final decision. Which is I can't be good at stock. Which is why I'm not as smart or sexy as eyephone and IHO. But anyways, we're all free to share our opinions as long as we're not discriminating anyone. I do hope that we don't end up double amount infected rate of China though.

Let me guess you will blame the US Army for this like what China said. Get out of here!

Not sure what you talkin' 'bout here. Where does the US Army pop up from?

For the record, I'm not into blame game so please stop guessing wrong.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 12:37:31 PM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the Real U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.

As of now, I can't say I agree or disagree. I still have not come to a conclusion that this virus came from bats. I personally take time to think through and make a final decision. Which is I can't be good at stock. Which is why I'm not as smart or sexy as eyephone and IHO. But anyways, we're all free to share our opinions as long as we're not discriminating anyone. I do hope that we don't end up double amount infected rate of China though.

Let me guess you will blame the US Army for this like what China said. Get out of here!

Not sure what you talkin' 'bout here. Where does the US Army pop up from?

For the record, I'm not into blame game so please stop guessing wrong.

Marketwatch article: Inside China%u2019s campaign to blame the U.S. for the coronavirus pandemic

On March 8, the Chinese ambassador to South Africa tweeted that, %u201CAlthough the epidemic first broke out in China, it did not necessarily mean that the virus is originated from China, let alone %u2018made in China.%u2019 %u201D

Days later, the clearest salvo in the conspiracy campaign came from China%u2019s Foreign Ministry spokesperson, Zhao Lijian, who tweeted: %u201CCDC was caught on the spot. When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!%u201D

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/inside-chinas-campaign-to-blame-the-us-for-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-03-15

Maybe we should send China an invoice to pay for this sh7!

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 17, 2020, 12:49:27 PM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the U.S. intensely tested like ROK that U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.

OK, stipulate it is 160,000 cases with a similar mortality...that's still about 6500 dead.  Not even halfway to H1N1 fatality number and probably would not include the 1800 US children that were struck down in 2009.... this version does seem to have an appetite for children, thank God. Now use the higher Italian mortality rate and the same 6x Italian  infection rate ( same 180k) you would get around 12,800 dead...lower end of the H1N1 range but less.  Would those numbers justify today's hysterical panic?

Let's say both H1N1 and China Virus kill 12,800 people. The difference is China Virus uses more hospital resources to get this result.
W/O respirators and personnel, the 12,800 dead for China Virus would be 20,000+.


The strain on hospital resources is different then H1N1.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
Morekaos,
If we are to forecast this thing here in the U.S. I think that we will follow a similar case vs death ratio to that of Italy vs ROK, but 6X of the number of Italy.

Do not pay attention to him. He is spreading disinformation.
Just wait until he talks about his mom for sympathy. Lol

Please...dispute the numbers.  My Mom is doing great by the way...thanks for asking.

It is not apples to apples. You even admitted that you would compare a civic to a Ferrari. That fact alone. You do not have the right to talk to me.

I do not talk to amateurs.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2020, 12:55:51 PM
The US and China two of the world largest economies suffering and economic meltdown.  Russia aside from oil war with Saudi remain unscathed. Disruption in election is proven. It would be difficult to prove this one.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 17, 2020, 12:57:51 PM
@eyephone,

As always, since your capacity of holding knowledge and information is far greater than mine, I believe you went above and beyond of what I was really thinking or discussing.

For Covid-19, this virus coming from wet market in China is where most people are thinking of the origination, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's true and I have to believe it. Where did it really come from? I don't know. But I haven't come to a conclusion whereas you firmly believe to know the absolute fact, which is fine since that is your valid opinion. But Russia and India having far less infection is pretty questionable to me.

Now we're not really talking about where it came from. We're talking about where it's heading. Panda predicts it could get far worse than people think, but I do not hope that is true. How many people agree with Panda?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2020, 12:58:20 PM
But the motive and motivation is high for Russia to cause havoc.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 01:10:01 PM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

You see that there are 81,058 cases in China and 5702 in the U.S. and 8320 cases in South Korea. Would you be shocked if the U.S. intensely tested like ROK that U.S.'s cases will be double that of China making U.S. the #1 case in the world? Yes or No? Do you agree or disagree?

Close to 50 million are over the age of 65 in the U.S. which is a population of California, S. Korea, and Italy.

OK, stipulate it is 160,000 cases with a similar mortality...that's still about 6500 dead.  Not even halfway to H1N1 fatality number and probably would not include the 1800 US children that were struck down in 2009.... this version does seem to have an appetite for children, thank God. Now use the higher Italian mortality rate and the same 6x Italian  infection rate ( same 180k) you would get around 12,800 dead...lower end of the H1N1 range but less.  Would those numbers justify today's hysterical panic?

Let's say both H1N1 and China Virus kill 12,800 people. The difference is China Virus uses more hospital resources to get this result.
W/O respirators and personnel, the 12,800 dead for China Virus would be 20,000+.


The strain on hospital resources is different then H1N1.

We don't know that...Ask Tom Hanks, he is right in the kill zone and his wife is compromised from cancer treatments. They were in the hospital for 3 days and only really for observation.  They took more grief from eating too much Vegemite than from the virus. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 17, 2020, 01:12:12 PM

Maybe we should send China an invoice to pay for this sh7!

It's really disheartening to see the politicians and the media try to blame the Federal govt. for the Wuhan Virus pandemic. This pandemic was caused by the Chinese Communist Party and no one else. You can debate where the virus came from but there is no doubt the CCP deliberately silenced all those who tried to warn the world about the virus before it got out of the PRC.

If a gangster shoots someone and the paramedics did not do the best job in helping the victim, you blame the gangster, not the paramedic.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 17, 2020, 01:15:31 PM
Yeah, I don't really care where it came from. I think it's more productive to discuss why we're having this big of an issue compare to the last pandemic and where it's heading IMHO.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 17, 2020, 01:30:06 PM
I'm doing all my Wuhan Virus related planning based on advice from my Magic 8 Ball. Seems just as reliable as the talking heads on TV and online.

Me: Is this the right time to jump back into equities despite the Wuhan Virus hysteria?

Magic 8 Ball: Without a Doubt
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 17, 2020, 01:31:44 PM
How come during H1N1 no one talked about the strain on hospital resources?  In fact there was hardly any news about it.  Does any TI medical personnel remember that time?  Were you guys doing double shifts, and afraid to go home in case you infected your family?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 17, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
How come during H1N1 no one talked about the strain on hospital resources?  In fact there was hardly any news about it.  Does any TI medical personnel remember that time?  Were you guys doing double shifts, and afraid to go home in case you infected your family?

My theory is because people weren't sure if it was normal flu or swine flu as it happened during the flu season. So most people who get the flu, stay home instead of going to the hospital.

Now, because of the fear of death, people go to the hospital immediately, even if it's just a cold or allergies and that's what stretches resources.

I do remember back during swine flu in 2009, there was messaging to stay home unless you were having complications but there was no hoarding of Charmin, Purell or Arrowhead.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 17, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
How come during H1N1 no one talked about the strain on hospital resources?  In fact there was hardly any news about it.  Does any TI medical personnel remember that time?  Were you guys doing double shifts, and afraid to go home in case you infected your family?

My theory is because people weren't sure if it was normal flu or swine flu as it happened during the flu season. So most people who get the flu, stay home instead of going to the hospital.

Now, because of the fear of death, people go to the hospital immediately, even if it's just a cold or allergies and that's what stretches resources.

I do remember back during swine flu in 2009, there was messaging to stay home unless you were having complications but there was no hoarding of Charmin, Purell or Arrowhead.

Medical staff regularly talk about burden of flu and strain on health network.  Two or three years ago was bad, I remember the nurses I know all talking about the hospital situation  Any time we have a heavier than average flu year, the healthcare system feels and talks about strain. 

Go to the CDC site, Swine Flu was highly infectious but very mild in hospitalizations and deaths compared to an average flu year.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 17, 2020, 02:25:07 PM
How come during H1N1 no one talked about the strain on hospital resources?  In fact there was hardly any news about it.  Does any TI medical personnel remember that time?  Were you guys doing double shifts, and afraid to go home in case you infected your family?

Think about that time frame from mid to late 2009 to early 2010.  The only thing on media’s mind was the Affordable Care Act and all of its ramifications on healthcare.  Squirrel!!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dresden215 on March 17, 2020, 02:42:52 PM
People with type A blood are more susceptible to the virus than type O:

 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v1 (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v1)

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 17, 2020, 05:13:24 PM
Looks like all OC workplaces and restaurants must shut down except for pickup:
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/oc-health-officials-set-to-close-dine-in-restaurants/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 05:19:53 PM
Looks like all OC workplaces and restaurants must shut down except for pickup:
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/oc-health-officials-set-to-close-dine-in-restaurants/

Got to be safe. I wish the best for the health of everybody. Eat healthy!
I guess someone read my post. Shut down and get better.
Super genius does it again.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on March 17, 2020, 05:29:59 PM
This won't help if someone is contagious and they drive/fly to another county/state for dinner.

Looks like all OC workplaces and restaurants must shut down except for pickup:
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/oc-health-officials-set-to-close-dine-in-restaurants/

Got to be safe. I wish the best for the health of everybody. Eat healthy!
I guess someone read my post. Shut down and get better.
Super genius does it again.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 17, 2020, 06:08:01 PM

At this time, I'd suggest keeping your gas tank full (easy if you are working from home), and withdraw some emergency use cash.  Don't just withdraw all $100 bills, have a mix of large and small cash bills.  It's likely that you won't need to use it, but just in case.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 17, 2020, 07:05:30 PM

At this time, I'd suggest keeping your gas tank full (easy if you are working from home), and withdraw some emergency use cash.  Don't just withdraw all $100 bills, have a mix of large and small cash bills.  It's likely that you won't need to use it, but just in case.

Also, consider stocking up in otc medicine.

I just bought cough syrup and Advil. (I was lucky to find the generic/off brand) But but at this time get anything. Stock up! Let’s go
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 17, 2020, 07:06:20 PM
I'll be out camping this weekend.  Hopefully my hood doesn't get looted while I'm out, and hopefully they let me back in the city when I return.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2020, 09:43:22 PM
If you have time setup cam / ring so you at least have an eyes and ears while you not home if you haven’t done so.

Maybe getting out is a best thing depend on where you live.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 17, 2020, 10:40:41 PM
I have a networked DVR with a front-facing camera in the bay window.  This is a good neighborhood, but if people start panicking/rioting, all bets are off (not that I think that's likely).  My last house was in a "fringe" area, and I had wires running all through the attic and cameras facing in all directions lol.   It was very enlightening seeing what went on around there.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 18, 2020, 01:54:06 AM
Where and which country reporting the least infection right now? Russia? India? What are the infecting rate there?

Here is a good real time website to follow the game.

https://www.bing.com/covid (https://www.bing.com/covid)

You guys are pretty smart, so figure this out ZERO (0) death in Russia and 109 active case. And covid “suppose” to thrive in cold climate.

I asked this question yesterday  (look at the recorded time) and today I saw this articles, that now discussed the same conversation with some clarity.


Why Russia covid 19 so low?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/why-few-coronavirus-cases-russia-151708133.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9yLnNlYXJjaC55YWhvby5jb20vX3lsdD1Bd3I5RHQzTjNuRmVId29BU0NGeC45dzQ7X3lsdT1YM29ETVRCeU5XVTRjR2gxQkdOdmJHOERaM0V4QkhCdmN3TXhCSFowYVdRREJITmxZd056WXctLS9SVj0yL1JFPTE1ODQ1NDk3MDkvUk89MTAvUlU9aHR0cHMlM2ElMmYlMmZ1ay5uZXdzLnlhaG9vLmNvbSUyZndoeS1mZXctY29yb25hdmlydXMtY2FzZXMtcnVzc2lhLTE1MTcwODEzMy5odG1sL1JLPTIvUlM9THZ6dl9aZ2d2NTRoWEJ5Wm1MWmg2bFhWYkg0LQ&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAASRKROw_UWoZJsX2qOkcKE1ZT9DNPTgcBkHKkOJK61NRYsHCS8__CUmeeMHJeu5VbaT6ihY49UGdhobAYKqTqJUpuH2qUrYGPFbXdctIkgMbkMVqJLO2cnhba4P7uAVDdP8DJG9Xzf5s_XOQswZkD6Iu9huooeX--hJKKePRVqu
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 18, 2020, 08:24:03 AM
But a lot of countries have low infection or death rates (really all of them do).  What are you implying?  Russia planted this virus and is stoking the fear to their advantage?  Not unthinkable.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 18, 2020, 09:16:10 AM
@Mety - coronavirus is more lethal than the flu statistically especially for older people according to the article. The stats for coronavirus provided by Journal of the American Medical Association in the article.

https://voiceofoc.org/2020/03/fielder-oc-supervisors-spread-falsehoods-about-covid-19-risks/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 18, 2020, 09:35:56 AM
the announcement yesterday afternoon then the second one later at night.....

what a fucking joke.

We basically have the OC board overruling the OC health.

In half a year, we will probably start reading about the OC board blaming OC Health moving too slowly during the outbreak and caused unnecessary infection.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 18, 2020, 09:49:17 AM
the announcement yesterday afternoon then the second one later at night.....

what a fucking joke.

We basically have the OC board overruling the OC health.

In half a year, we will probably start reading about the OC board blaming OC Health moving too slowly during the outbreak and caused unnecessary infection.

But of course the OC board are health experts.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 18, 2020, 09:49:59 AM
@Mety - coronavirus is more lethal than the flu statistically especially for older people according to the article. The stats for coronavirus provided by Journal of the American Medical Association in the article.

https://voiceofoc.org/2020/03/fielder-oc-supervisors-spread-falsehoods-about-covid-19-risks/

We all know it's more lethal for people over 65. However, ANY disease is more lethal for elders not just Covid-19. So it's not really a WOW factor for me personally.*

Interesting thing is it's not effecting children as much. 0% for children under 9 according to the data Panda provided.




*Just staying on this side to counter what the most people believe.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 18, 2020, 09:53:36 AM
BTW, eyephone. I appreciate your argument and providing all these links for us. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just still debating what to take as truth on this matter.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 18, 2020, 09:53:46 AM
So what is the prediction on when things go back to normal? I say by 4/15 everyone says screw it, we need to go back to normal. Economic damage will be way worse they way things are going. People will get fed up. Money had always trumped everything and this time will be no different.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 18, 2020, 10:13:11 AM
My assumption is soonest May. (or earlier if the average temperature during the day is above 70 degree)

Latest July. by then even the none minimum wage people's EM fund will probably run dry. it's either back to business or massive panic.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 18, 2020, 10:25:15 AM
april 15 sounds about right.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 18, 2020, 11:03:38 AM
If the grocery and supply store situation doesn’t change in the week or so, things will start becoming very agitated and aggressive.  Most shelves are bare within an hour of opening, people are forming huge lines before opening to try and get supply.

Those that had supply’s are slowly eating through them.

What’s worse being exposed to the old regular grocery crowd every couple days or the mob now whenever you try and go?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 18, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
the announcement yesterday afternoon then the second one later at night.....

what a fucking joke.

We basically have the OC board overruling the OC health.

In half a year, we will probably start reading about the OC board blaming OC Health moving too slowly during the outbreak and caused unnecessary infection.

Idiots...jumping the gun on shelter in place by hitting the wrong key then rescinding it an hour later...I'm in the office and will be all week...our government at work to your benefit.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 18, 2020, 11:15:26 AM
Co-worker also runs a restaurant on the side... the supply of fresh food is uninterrupted.

ones that are running out are actually canned and prepped food that people are panic/massively buying.

I went to the market on 7 AM opening yesterday. while people are panic buying prepped food, ironically fresh produce were left mainly untouched for the first 2 hours.

Once people stored enough canned/prepped food, even panic buying for those items will probably stopped.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on March 18, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
Unfortunately people are scared (which is understandable) and the hoard mentality has set in. All the TV talking heads and government officials say the food supply is stable. People are simply outstripping local suppliers. If people went back to old purchase patterns things would be fine. This thing will just have to play out until panic subsides.

In the short term my bigger concern is for the more vulnerable in our population: elderly and disabled. I’ve been reading that some grocery chains are offering special hours reserved for elderly and pregnant customers. Hopefully this helps. If you have a vulnerable neighbor, please check on them.

If the grocery and supply store situation doesn’t change in the week or so, things will start becoming very agitated and aggressive.  Most shelves are bare within an hour of opening, people are forming huge lines before opening to try and get supply.

Those that had supply’s are slowly eating through them.

What’s worse being exposed to the old regular grocery crowd every couple days or the mob now whenever you try and go?

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 18, 2020, 11:28:56 AM
Co-worker also runs a restaurant on the side... the supply of fresh food is uninterrupted.

ones that are running out are actually canned and prepped food that people are panic/massively buying.

I went to the market on 7 AM opening yesterday. while people are panic buying prepped food, ironically fresh produce were left mainly untouched for the first 2 hours.

Once people stored enough canned/prepped food, even panic buying for those items will probably stopped.

Yeah I got fresh vegetables last night and otc medicine.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 18, 2020, 11:42:47 AM
If this thing doesn't end by APR 15, people are gonna say "fuck the old people" and do what they have to do.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on March 18, 2020, 12:09:42 PM
Co-worker also runs a restaurant on the side... the supply of fresh food is uninterrupted.

ones that are running out are actually canned and prepped food that people are panic/massively buying.

I went to the market on 7 AM opening yesterday. while people are panic buying prepped food, ironically fresh produce were left mainly untouched for the first 2 hours.

Once people stored enough canned/prepped food, even panic buying for those items will probably stopped.

Yeah I got fresh vegetables last night and otc medicine.

Did you guys notice gingers are out of stock in many places? 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 18, 2020, 12:21:26 PM
If this thing doesn't end by APR 15, people are gonna say "fuck the old people" and do what they have to do.

I’ve been telling my wife this for several weeks now. No one has cared about old people before and now all of a sudden everyone cares? Agree, people are going to say F-it and move on
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 18, 2020, 12:26:41 PM
Co-worker also runs a restaurant on the side... the supply of fresh food is uninterrupted.

ones that are running out are actually canned and prepped food that people are panic/massively buying.

I went to the market on 7 AM opening yesterday. while people are panic buying prepped food, ironically fresh produce were left mainly untouched for the first 2 hours.

Once people stored enough canned/prepped food, even panic buying for those items will probably stopped.

Yeah I got fresh vegetables last night and otc medicine.

Did you guys notice gingers are out of stock in many places?

To be honest I have been only going to the traditional brick and motor markets since the beginning of the outbreak.
Also, I have not noticed.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 18, 2020, 12:32:55 PM
There's a point in time where people under 55-60 will just go to work normally because they're fed up with the shelter in place.
The over 60's will have to stay away from society until a vaccine or a good treatment is developed.


That time is probably a month away.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 18, 2020, 01:14:49 PM
Exploring the area from work to those stores around my home, so far I've stopped at...

Gelsons (NPB)
Ralphs (Newport Coast, RSM)
Pavillions (RSM)
Zion's (Irvine)
Sprouts (Lake Forest)
Mother's Market (Lake Forest)
Trader Joes (Lake Forest)
Mission Ranch (Mission Viejo - Persian market)
Albertsons (Mission Viejo)
El Fenix (RSM - Mexican focused store)
Smart and Final (Mission Viejo)
Walmart Grocery (RSM, smaller store than the Mega WM)
Dollar General (Mission Viejo)

Most of it out of curiosity than hoarding instinct. The "ethnic" stores - forgive the term - tend to still have reasonable supplies. El Fenix had rice, eggs, and tortillas. Mission Ranch was good with pasta and sauce.  Smart and Final was actually pretty well stocked (10 LB CalRose bags! Cases of eggs) with all the others wiped out of things by 10 AM. The Dollar General is in the same parking lot as Albertsons and believe it or not they had toilet paper (4 packs per person) and paper towels (4 rolls per person). Many stores meat selections were cleared, but depending on the target audience, pork products could be found (Carnitas!!!) and plenty of fish in every location I went to.

It seems like there is less hoarding going on today compared to how things looked earlier. One store had plenty of canned soup options. Fresh produce seems to be abundant as well.

If you shop at the smaller stores your luck in finding things may improve. Soylent Red's sister went to one of the Restaurant Supply stores to pick up TP - a place I hadn't considered shopping at before. Yes, it's industrial, but also in stock which is more important.

This hoarding induced shortage will pass soon.  Good luck to all out there!

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 18, 2020, 01:46:26 PM
People under 55-60 are dying too.  If we all say F-it we might see several hundred thousand deaths of people below 60.  And really, are we going to, as a society, tell an entire couple generations F You?  I can't imagine the intergenerational resentment and distrust that would cause.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 18, 2020, 01:59:44 PM
People under 55-60 are dying too.  If we all say F-it we might see several hundred thousand deaths of people below 60.  And really, are we going to, as a society, tell an entire couple generations F You?  I can't imagine the intergenerational resentment and distrust that would cause.

As my friend Ivan Drago says, if he dies, he dies.

Life goes on.

Excuse my insensitivity but life has to go on.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 18, 2020, 02:25:12 PM
I think April 15 is probably too optimistic.

Italy locked down the entire country 2 weeks ago and just reported 475 new corona-virus death in one day.

Here is the new death count of the past 7 days in Italy - 189,250,175,368,349,345,475.

On March 1st, they only had 9 new deaths in one day.

It has really exploded. Will people be unafraid to go out if we have that kind of death count daily? I really don't know

On a brighter note, Zion market at 10 AM had bags of rices ( limit 1 per), plenty of meat, and yes TOILET PAPER!

Also Water Grill in Costa Mesa is selling their food inventory tomorrow and Friday starting at 10 AM. They will have seafood, meats and vegetables for anyone interested. I've been told prices are going to be cut to induce quick sale.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 18, 2020, 02:40:20 PM
Sorry but no Asian market for me at this time. Also, no pasta or k bbq.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 18, 2020, 02:55:47 PM
People under 55-60 are dying too.  If we all say F-it we might see several hundred thousand deaths of people below 60.  And really, are we going to, as a society, tell an entire couple generations F You?  I can't imagine the intergenerational resentment and distrust that would cause.

We let the anti vaxxers giving the middle finger to immunity compromised group for the longest time now. This is simply the next step up.
Maybe it's the final push needed to get our shit together in terms of public health, who knows.     Yes, I'm a cynic on how America's been treating and teaching public health.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 18, 2020, 03:07:33 PM
@kenko: I’m assuming Zion in Northwood. What about ZionMart off of University?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 18, 2020, 03:38:27 PM
@kenko: I’m assuming Zion in Northwood. What about ZionMart off of University?

Sorry didn't clarify. It's Zion off of University. Both TP and rice are located at the front of the store, behind the cashiers
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on March 18, 2020, 03:40:31 PM
Crises can bring out the best and worst of humanity. I hope everyone chooses the former rather than latter. Please heed the public health warnings and instructions. Even if you are not in a high risk group, your neighbor or their grandmother or child might be. If we work together and sacrifice, lives can be saved.

On a positive note, Trump activated the Defense Production Act. He can now force private businesses to produce items of for national security.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 18, 2020, 03:46:01 PM
I think April 15 is probably too optimistic.
Italy locked down the entire country 2 weeks ago and just reported 475 new corona-virus death in one day.

Italy has high elderly population ratio (22.8%), multi-generational homes, and communal society that doesn't lend itself to social distancing.  Consider the cultural differences in verbal communication, personal space/distance when speaking with another, and norms of physical contact.


The supermarkets are not as crazy today, but if you have to do grocery shopping, avoid the weekends.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 18, 2020, 04:03:34 PM
@momo:  That’s what I was getting at before when comparing Italy to California.

We are less populated too.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 18, 2020, 04:20:30 PM
Good point about Italy. I agree US and Italy are not exactly comparable. But I think we are closer to Italy than we are to S korea and China.

Also the bigger concern is local hospital capacity not California as a whole. Orange county has 20% of population over age 60. 34% over age 50. Not exactly young.

South OC skews even older. I think Laguna woods alone has 15K + elderly. We simply don't have the hospital capacity locally to handle a massive breakout.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 18, 2020, 07:18:22 PM
When comparing Italy to OC (not the US) please bear in mind that although Italy overall has a lower population, their density is less as well compared to OC

Italy has about a 560 persons per square mile density.
Orange County has around 1400 persons per square mile density.
California itself is 256 per square mile density - but California is around 38,000 square miles larger than Italy. Someone else can do the math on this one for me.

Relative population age should be another consideration. Italy's median age is around 46. Median age in California is 36. OC has a few pocket areas that skew our numbers closer to those if Italy. All of these factors go into how this pandemic will play out.
 
Laguna Woods and the other "active adult communities" like Sun City or Rossmore need to take extraordinary care or this thing is going to slice through them like a hot knife through butter.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 18, 2020, 07:59:53 PM
Whistling past the graveyard to themselves in the ICU.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488325-cdc-data-show-coronavirus-poses-serious-risk-for-younger-people
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 18, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
Trump signs caronavirus relief plan and is working on a stimulus plan. I guess he likes to throw money at problems.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 18, 2020, 08:06:23 PM
Sorry if the airlines can’t survive. Maybe it should be Tesla Hyperloop or something.

The USA should not own an airline period.
The same goes with casino, cruise ship,etc.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on March 18, 2020, 08:22:37 PM
There’s this malaria drug call Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine) and it just might work against COVID19. 

There are large trials in Korea, China, and France, and it is already part of the Belgian COVID treatment guidelines. It was tried 17 years ago during the SARS epidemic and was working, but when that epidemic died out people stopped looking at it.

Right now there is an ongoing 3000 patient study in France where people with close contact with COVID positive individuals like family members are being treated with Plaquenil or usual care (isolation, etc). The belief is that 75% of the people (or more) treated with Plaquenil will not convert to virus positivity, since in a small trial of 24 people infected with virus, 75% of them had no virus detectable one week after treatment. This follow-up study should announce in 2-3 weeks.  Plaquenil sounds very promising, hope it really works.  And best part is that it is very inexpensive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marybethpfeiffer/2020/03/18/science-works-to-use-old-cheap-drugs-to-attack-coronavirus--it-might-just-work/#c899305c4980
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 18, 2020, 09:34:16 PM
the announcement yesterday afternoon then the second one later at night.....

what a fucking joke.

We basically have the OC board overruling the OC health.

In half a year, we will probably start reading about the OC board blaming OC Health moving too slowly during the outbreak and caused unnecessary infection.

CNBC article: Investor Bill Ackman urged President Donald Trump and corporate America in an impassioned plea on CNBC to shut down the country for 30 days to contain the fast-spreading coronavirus, calling it the only option to rescue the economy.

"What's scaring the American people and corporate America now is the gradual rollout," Ackman told Scott Wapner on "Halftime Report" on Wednesday. "We need to shut it down now. ... This is the only answer."

"America will end as we know it. I'm sorry to say so, unless we take this option," he said. Ackman added that if Trump saves the country from the coronavirus, he will get reelected in November.

Ackman urged U.S. companies to stop their buyback programs because "hell is coming." The biggest U.S. banks have already halted repurchasing stocks to put their capital to use helping consumers and businesses.


"The hotel industry and the restaurant industry will go bankrupt first, Boeing is on the brink, Boeing will not survive without a government bailout," Ackman said. "Capitalism does not work in an 18-month shutdown, capitalism can work in a 30-day shutdown."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/bill-ackman-pleads-to-trump-to-increase-closures-to-save-the-economy-shut-it-down-now.html

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 18, 2020, 10:47:44 PM
You realize Ackman is a short investor? He makes money when stocks go down. >:D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 19, 2020, 07:50:45 AM
Serious question for people.  What are the public's WTF numbers for deaths from Covid-19?

What is the high number that makes people say didn't do enough?

What is the low number that makes people say, why did we do everything?

Yes, I realize the effort is to bend the curve, but how many deaths are curve bending success versus WTF?


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 09:06:14 AM
CNBC: Tesla will take temperatures of Fremont factory employees and hand out masks, internal email says

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/tesla-factory-employees-will-have-temperatures-taken-and-get-masks.html

Please stop! We need to take your temperature.
10-4 We have a runner.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2020, 09:17:25 AM
Serious question for people.  What are the public's WTF numbers for deaths from Covid-19?

What is the high number that makes people say didn't do enough?

What is the low number that makes people say, why did we do everything?

Yes, I realize the effort is to bend the curve, but how many deaths are curve bending success versus WTF?




If deaths do not spike over several thousand than the panic would have been for naught...if it stays in the low hundreds watch out for the rally and unraveling of the closures...if we exceed the H1N1 numbers, in the 12-17000 range then the panic was justified...I doubt we will.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 09:27:01 AM
@Mety - coronavirus is more lethal than the flu statistically especially for older people according to the article. The stats for coronavirus provided by Journal of the American Medical Association in the article.

https://voiceofoc.org/2020/03/fielder-oc-supervisors-spread-falsehoods-about-covid-19-risks/

We all know it's more lethal for people over 65. However, ANY disease is more lethal for elders not just Covid-19. So it's not really a WOW factor for me personally.*

Interesting thing is it's not effecting children as much. 0% for children under 9 according to the data Panda provided.




*Just staying on this side to counter what the most people believe.

If it is more lethal then why are you comparing to N1.

The number of people that get bitten by a rattle snake is lower than H1N1. But if you use the stats H1 is greater. But we all know without treatment a rattle snake bite is more deadlier.

That is where you and others argument is flawed and wrong.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2020, 09:39:43 AM
Its not deadlier than H1N1.  "10 times the flu mortality" for Corona is 1% mortality. (the wording makes for a nice headline)  H1N1 was around 4%, was infecting and killing children and no one panicked about that.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 19, 2020, 09:46:06 AM
@Mety - coronavirus is more lethal than the flu statistically especially for older people according to the article. The stats for coronavirus provided by Journal of the American Medical Association in the article.

https://voiceofoc.org/2020/03/fielder-oc-supervisors-spread-falsehoods-about-covid-19-risks/

We all know it's more lethal for people over 65. However, ANY disease is more lethal for elders not just Covid-19. So it's not really a WOW factor for me personally.*

Interesting thing is it's not effecting children as much. 0% for children under 9 according to the data Panda provided.




*Just staying on this side to counter what the most people believe.

If it is more lethal then why are you comparing to N1.

The number of people that get bitten by a rattle snake is lower than H1N1. But if you use the stats H1 is greater. But we all know without treatment a rattle snake bite is more deadlier.

That is where you and others argument is flawed and wrong.

Haha. I think rattle snake bite without treatment is much more dangerous than Covid-19 and H1N1 combined.

It's not just the numbers we're comparing but the whole situation around. H1N1 killed half million people worldwide. To me, that's huge. But what I find interesting is that when that happened, no one was hoarding or being lockdown and stuff. Not much media attention was going on like how it's happening now.

We're not saying Covid-19 is fake. Just seeing how people react different in different times is interesting to me at least.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 19, 2020, 09:58:45 AM
There’s this malaria drug call Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine) and it just might work against COVID19. 

There are large trials in Korea, China, and France, and it is already part of the Belgian COVID treatment guidelines. It was tried 17 years ago during the SARS epidemic and was working, but when that epidemic died out people stopped looking at it.

Right now there is an ongoing 3000 patient study in France where people with close contact with COVID positive individuals like family members are being treated with Plaquenil or usual care (isolation, etc). The belief is that 75% of the people (or more) treated with Plaquenil will not convert to virus positivity, since in a small trial of 24 people infected with virus, 75% of them had no virus detectable one week after treatment. This follow-up study should announce in 2-3 weeks.  Plaquenil sounds very promising, hope it really works.  And best part is that it is very inexpensive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marybethpfeiffer/2020/03/18/science-works-to-use-old-cheap-drugs-to-attack-coronavirus--it-might-just-work/#c899305c4980

I hope this isn't like Forsythia*.

*will someone get this?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 19, 2020, 10:30:14 AM
So we need to compare the H1N1 hospital resources used vs. today's wuflu resources used.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 19, 2020, 10:42:58 AM
Its not deadlier than H1N1.  "10 times the flu mortality" for Corona is 1% mortality. (the wording makes for a nice headline)  H1N1 was around 4%, was infecting and killing children and no one panicked about that.

You need to check your numbers.  17000 dead/ 60,000,000 infections = 0.03% death rate

Covid is 3% currently, 1% on happy path.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

Or look at the bad 2017/2018 flu year with 61,000 dead and 45,000,000 infections.  That is 0.1% mortality of infected. 

It also hospitalized 800,000.  Covid's happy path is still higher than that.  And I'll a guess that those deaths tie up ventilators which is the sticky wicket.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 10:50:32 AM
@Mety - coronavirus is more lethal than the flu statistically especially for older people according to the article. The stats for coronavirus provided by Journal of the American Medical Association in the article.

https://voiceofoc.org/2020/03/fielder-oc-supervisors-spread-falsehoods-about-covid-19-risks/

We all know it's more lethal for people over 65. However, ANY disease is more lethal for elders not just Covid-19. So it's not really a WOW factor for me personally.*

Interesting thing is it's not effecting children as much. 0% for children under 9 according to the data Panda provided.




*Just staying on this side to counter what the most people believe.

If it is more lethal then why are you comparing to N1.

The number of people that get bitten by a rattle snake is lower than H1N1. But if you use the stats H1 is greater. But we all know without treatment a rattle snake bite is more deadlier.

That is where you and others argument is flawed and wrong.

Haha. I think rattle snake bite without treatment is much more dangerous than Covid-19 and H1N1 combined.

It's not just the numbers we're comparing but the whole situation around. H1N1 killed half million people worldwide. To me, that's huge. But what I find interesting is that when that happened, no one was hoarding or being lockdown and stuff. Not much media attention was going on like how it's happening now.

We're not saying Covid-19 is fake. Just seeing how people react different in different times is interesting to me at least.


But your not comparing apples to apples still.
I think your comparing a civic to a Ferarri.

Would you say a dog bite is lethal as a shark or mountain lion.
There are more reported dog bites than mountain lion and sharks. But the results are different. I rest my case.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2020, 11:57:00 AM
Death rates revised down...

Death rates of coronavirus may be HALF initial estimates by world health chiefs, promising study finds
International researchers compiled data on COVID-19 cases in Wuhan, China
They found that overall, the proportion of patients that died was 1.4 per cent
World Health Organization said in early March the death rate was 3.4 per cent
The preliminary findings come as the global death toll nears 10,000
The scientists suggested focusing on how to reduce the severity of the illness

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8130815/Death-rates-coronavirus-HALF-initial-estimates-world-health-chiefs.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8130815/Death-rates-coronavirus-HALF-initial-estimates-world-health-chiefs.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 19, 2020, 12:14:36 PM
Serious question for people.  What are the public's WTF numbers for deaths from Covid-19?

What is the high number that makes people say didn't do enough?

What is the low number that makes people say, why did we do everything?

Yes, I realize the effort is to bend the curve, but how many deaths are curve bending success versus WTF?

Unfortunately, I am already of the opinion that we didn’t do enough. I don’t think there is a low public number that would change my mind.

While I think Trump and the federal government handled this poorly, I don’t put all the blame on them. This is institutional and societal failure from top to bottom. We are just woefully unprepared for a pandemic as a country.

Comparing us to Taiwan (where I am from), they had federal funding and planning long before COVID-19. Predetermined measures were put in place very quickly in Taiwan while we have a deadlocked central government that can’t get anything meaningful done.

Locally, cities in Taiwan have been routinely drilling for emergencies and have large public awareness education campaigns for years. The only drills we have is active shooter drills in school. Public health education, social pressure, and even just insane amount of infographic for dummies posted everywhere about the benefits of social distancing has allow them to achieve massive societal buy-ins to bend the curve. Even if you don’t care about everyone wearing masks here, it’s nice to not have people irrationally hoarding toilet paper and supplies.

Taiwan currently have 75 cases and 1 death despite being so close to China. They did it without instituting a lockdown which is impressive.  And will probably recover much quicker and suffer less economic destruction compared to us. We are stuck praying we don’t end up like Italy.  We are very likely looking at months of disruption in our lives and will face a deep recession.

Sorry didn’t completely answer your question but I will be happy if this ends with 0 deaths among my friends/family/coworkers/TI members

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 12:21:51 PM
Serious question for people.  What are the public's WTF numbers for deaths from Covid-19?

What is the high number that makes people say didn't do enough?

What is the low number that makes people say, why did we do everything?

Yes, I realize the effort is to bend the curve, but how many deaths are curve bending success versus WTF?

Unfortunately, I am already of the opinion that we didn’t do enough. I don’t think there is a low public number that would change my mind.

While I think Trump and the federal government handled this poorly, I don’t put all the blame on them. This is institutional and societal failure from top to bottom. We are just woefully unprepared for a pandemic as a country.

Comparing us to Taiwan (where I am from), they had federal funding and planning long before COVID-19. Predetermined measures were put in place very quickly in Taiwan while we have a deadlocked central government that can’t get anything meaningful done.

Locally, cities in Taiwan have been routinely drilling for emergencies and have large public awareness education campaigns for years. The only drills we have is active shooter drills in school. Public health education, social pressure, and even just insane amount of infographic for dummies posted everywhere about the benefits of social distancing has allow them to achieve massive societal buy-ins to bend the curve. Even if you don’t care about everyone wearing masks here, it’s nice to not have people irrationally hoarding toilet paper and supplies.

Taiwan currently have 75 cases and 1 death despite being so close to China. They did it without instituting a lockdown which is impressive.  And will probably recover much quicker and suffer less economic destruction compared to us. We are stuck praying we don’t end up like Italy.  We are very likely looking at months of disruption in our lives and will face a deep recession.

Sorry didn’t completely answer your question but I will be happy if this ends with 0 deaths among my friends/family/coworkers/TI members

Exactly.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on March 19, 2020, 12:32:43 PM
There’s this malaria drug call Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine) and it just might work against COVID19. 

There are large trials in Korea, China, and France, and it is already part of the Belgian COVID treatment guidelines. It was tried 17 years ago during the SARS epidemic and was working, but when that epidemic died out people stopped looking at it.

Right now there is an ongoing 3000 patient study in France where people with close contact with COVID positive individuals like family members are being treated with Plaquenil or usual care (isolation, etc). The belief is that 75% of the people (or more) treated with Plaquenil will not convert to virus positivity, since in a small trial of 24 people infected with virus, 75% of them had no virus detectable one week after treatment. This follow-up study should announce in 2-3 weeks.  Plaquenil sounds very promising, hope it really works.  And best part is that it is very inexpensive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marybethpfeiffer/2020/03/18/science-works-to-use-old-cheap-drugs-to-attack-coronavirus--it-might-just-work/#c899305c4980

I hope this isn't like Forsythia*.

*will someone get this?

Plaquenil is not approved by FDA for COVID19 yet but Trump is pressuring FDA to approved it. 

Patient only need to take one 200mg pill daily for 3-5 days and each pill only cost $1-2. 

All the study so far about Plaquenil is very promising, hope it works.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 19, 2020, 12:33:48 PM
I mostly agree, except I do think Trump has a lot of blame to shoulder.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-trump-united-states-public-health-emergency-response/

Like ceasing to wear a helmt because you've never needed one before.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 19, 2020, 12:40:57 PM
Forsythia is the cure!

Yes, I know that reference....

After that movie what's next to watch? We aren't yet at the point of "Soylent Green" but perhaps another Charlton Heston goodie "Omega Man" or even "Planet of the Apes"?

My personal choice would be "Children of Men" a great post-pandemic story.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 19, 2020, 12:43:17 PM
Comparing us to Taiwan (where I am from), they had federal funding and planning long before COVID-19. Predetermined measures were put in place very quickly in Taiwan while we have a deadlocked central government that can’t get anything meaningful done.
Locally, cities in Taiwan have been routinely drilling for emergencies and have large public awareness education campaigns for years. The only drills we have is active shooter drills in school. Public health education, social pressure, and even just insane amount of infographic for dummies posted everywhere about the benefits of social distancing has allow them to achieve massive societal buy-ins to bend the curve. Even if you don’t care about everyone wearing masks here, it’s nice to not have people irrationally hoarding toilet paper and supplies.
Taiwan currently have 75 cases and 1 death despite being so close to China. They did it without instituting a lockdown which is impressive.  And will probably recover much quicker and suffer less economic destruction compared to us. We are stuck praying we don’t end up like Italy.  We are very likely looking at months of disruption in our lives and will face a deep recession.

Taiwan has 7 hospital beds per 1,000.
Taiwan has 23.8 million people and 47,000 physicians.

California has 1.8 to 1.9 hospital beds per 1,000.
California has 39.6 million people and 58,000 physicians.


(https://www.bellybelly.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/hello-kitty-hospital-nurses-2.jpg)
(Welcome to Taiwan.  Hello Kitty maternity ward, hello kitty airplane, hello kitty airport terminal...)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 19, 2020, 12:53:40 PM
I mostly agree, except I do think Trump has a lot of blame to shoulder.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-trump-united-states-public-health-emergency-response/

Like ceasing to wear a helmt because you've never needed one before.

Agree Trump has a lot of blame to shoulder.

I am definitely not a Trump apologist. But I agree with Andrew Yang that Donald Trump is not the cause of all of our problems. Dem are making a mistake by acting like he is.

Trump is a symptom of a disease that has been building up in our communities for years and decades. Hopefully, this pandemic made it clear to people that political game's real losers aren't either party but the communities politicians are meant to represent.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 19, 2020, 12:54:04 PM
@Mety - coronavirus is more lethal than the flu statistically especially for older people according to the article. The stats for coronavirus provided by Journal of the American Medical Association in the article.

https://voiceofoc.org/2020/03/fielder-oc-supervisors-spread-falsehoods-about-covid-19-risks/

We all know it's more lethal for people over 65. However, ANY disease is more lethal for elders not just Covid-19. So it's not really a WOW factor for me personally.*

Interesting thing is it's not effecting children as much. 0% for children under 9 according to the data Panda provided.




*Just staying on this side to counter what the most people believe.

If it is more lethal then why are you comparing to N1.

The number of people that get bitten by a rattle snake is lower than H1N1. But if you use the stats H1 is greater. But we all know without treatment a rattle snake bite is more deadlier.

That is where you and others argument is flawed and wrong.

Haha. I think rattle snake bite without treatment is much more dangerous than Covid-19 and H1N1 combined.

It's not just the numbers we're comparing but the whole situation around. H1N1 killed half million people worldwide. To me, that's huge. But what I find interesting is that when that happened, no one was hoarding or being lockdown and stuff. Not much media attention was going on like how it's happening now.

We're not saying Covid-19 is fake. Just seeing how people react different in different times is interesting to me at least.


But your not comparing apples to apples still.
I think your comparing a civic to a Ferarri.

Would you say a dog bite is lethal as a shark or mountain lion.
There are more reported dog bites than mountain lion and sharks. But the results are different. I rest my case.

Is Covid-19 a Ferrari while H1N1 is a Civic?

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 19, 2020, 01:03:35 PM
Forsythia is the cure!

Yes, I know that reference....

After that movie what's next to watch? We aren't yet at the point of "Soylent Green" but perhaps another Charlton Heston goodie "Omega Man" or even "Planet of the Apes"?

My personal choice would be "Children of Men" a great post-pandemic story.

My .02c

Planet of the Apes reboot (2nd one).

Containment (TV series)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 19, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
Sorry Ken, but it's difficult to compare Taiwan to the US... or even California.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 01:05:52 PM
  (https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI)[/url]

The leaderships is completely complacent of the threats.

Bill and Melinda Gates foundations warn of this, believe it or not 5 years ago. That is a lot of time to prepare for the threats.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2020, 01:15:26 PM
And Bill Gates thinks we may be over reacting...

Bill Gates urges everyone to 'stay calm' during the coronavirus pandemic claiming some doomsday projections are 'too negative' and the crisis may only last six to 10 weeks in some countries
Mr Gates took part in an 'Ask Me Anything' session on COVID-19 on Reddit
He encouraged people to follow the 'shut down' approach to stop the spread
Mr Gates is known for his philanthropic work, including around global health
The Microsoft CEO said he worried about the economic effects of coronavirus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8130003/Bill-Gates-urges-stay-calm-coronavirus-pandemic.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8130003/Bill-Gates-urges-stay-calm-coronavirus-pandemic.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 01:18:42 PM
 (https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI)[/url]

The leaderships is completely complacent of the threats.

Bill and Melinda Gates foundations warn of this, believe it or not 5 years ago. That is a lot of time to prepare for the threats.

As of today, two US congressmen have the caronavirus.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 01:27:16 PM
 (https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI)[/url]

The leaderships is completely complacent of the threats.

Bill and Melinda Gates foundations warn of this, believe it or not 5 years ago. That is a lot of time to prepare for the threats.

As of today, two US congressmen have the caronavirus.

Look at the response and readiness, this is a war. An invisible war and test kit not even available nor PPE. Lets not be sophisticated here, even the low tech is running low, while the whole focus was the stock market and stock price as a gauge for success. Well, that did not end so well. In facts it might put us on a depression path if we dont  steer this ship right.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 19, 2020, 01:46:15 PM
Sorry Ken, but it's difficult to compare Taiwan to the US... or even California.

Sure it’s difficult to just compare statistics.

But that’s not the main point tho. Nosuchreality was asking for the magic number that would shape/change people's opinions. That’s always going to be subjective.

We also don’t need any statistics or comparison to see what’s wrong here. We have many people not staying home, openly mock social distancing, cheering on poor public health behaviors, irrationally hoarding toilet paper and supplies etc etc.

I know Americans value our freedom. But freedom comes at a steep price in a time of crisis.



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 01:51:59 PM
 (https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI)[/url]

The leaderships is completely complacent of the threats.

Bill and Melinda Gates foundations warn of this, believe it or not 5 years ago. That is a lot of time to prepare for the threats.

As of today, two US congressmen have the caronavirus.

Look at the response and readiness, this is a war. An invisible war and test kit not even available nor PPE. Lets not be sophisticated here, even the low tech is running low, while the whole focus was the stock market and stock price as a gauge for success. Well, that did not end so well. In facts it might put us on a depression path if we dont  steer this ship right.

Pelosi urges Trump to use emergency war powers
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 19, 2020, 02:15:06 PM
I'm not talking just about statistics.

I'mt talking about logistics, population, government control, demographics, topography, infrastructure, scale, culture, etc. All the same stuff that makes universal healthcare difficult.

You kind of got it in regards to "freedom", but there are way many other factors that makes comparing Taiwan to the US not apples-to-apples. Just the fact that Taiwan is an island makes it a different scenario.

People cite how China was able to lockdown everything and build temp hospitals but that didn't stop the spread.

It's going to happen, hopefully we can minimize how many it hits.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 19, 2020, 02:28:11 PM
Rumor has it that gas stations are going to close for 48 hours soon.
Why?
To keep people at home.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 19, 2020, 02:37:48 PM
Currently U.S. has surpassed South Korean in terms of confirmed cases.

South Korea - 8,565
United States - 11,274

My guess is that the real number for the U.S, if tested aggressively like South Korea is more like 246,210 which will 3x China's number at 81,155. I hope that I am wrong.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 19, 2020, 02:48:52 PM
I'm not talking just about statistics.

I'mt talking about logistics, population, government control, demographics, topography, infrastructure, scale, culture, etc. All the same stuff that makes universal healthcare difficult.

You kind of got it in regards to "freedom", but there are way many other factors that makes comparing Taiwan to the US not apples-to-apples. Just the fact that Taiwan is an island makes it a different scenario.

People cite how China was able to lockdown everything and build temp hospitals but that didn't stop the spread.

It's going to happen, hopefully we can minimize how many it hits.

The way China handled pre-lockdown was definitely horrific. They allowed it to become a pandemic. But to say the extreme measures they took after that didn't stop the spread is not accurate. Today China reported no new case of COVID-19, while Italy's death toll surpassed China for the first time today.

I agree the difference in logistics, population, government control, demographics, scale, etc matters. But the biggest factor stopping Universal healthcare is the will of the American people. Less than 60% of Americans believe healthcare is a human right.  95% + Taiwanese believe it is, therefore they have universal healthcare.

Same goes for this pandemic, more Taiwanese/S Koreans people take this seriously. More public buy-in = better results. Hopefully American people can put down our pride and learn from other countries' success.  It's smart to sacrifice some individual freedom for the greater good.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dresden215 on March 19, 2020, 03:48:34 PM
Possibly more than half of Californians will become infected:

 https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/ (https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 03:49:23 PM
Rumor has it that gas stations are going to close for 48 hours soon.
Why?
To keep people at home.

But if you have an electric, you can still go until the next charge  :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 03:53:18 PM
Possibly more than half of Californians will become infected:

 https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/ (https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/)

This is worrisome
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
I'm not talking just about statistics.

I'mt talking about logistics, population, government control, demographics, topography, infrastructure, scale, culture, etc. All the same stuff that makes universal healthcare difficult.

You kind of got it in regards to "freedom", but there are way many other factors that makes comparing Taiwan to the US not apples-to-apples. Just the fact that Taiwan is an island makes it a different scenario.

People cite how China was able to lockdown everything and build temp hospitals but that didn't stop the spread.

It's going to happen, hopefully we can minimize how many it hits.

The way China handled pre-lockdown was definitely horrific. They allowed it to become a pandemic. But to say the extreme measures they took after that didn't stop the spread is not accurate. Today China reported no new case of COVID-19, while Italy's death toll surpassed China for the first time today.

I agree the difference in logistics, population, government control, demographics, scale, etc matters. But the biggest factor stopping Universal healthcare is the will of the American people. Less than 60% of Americans believe healthcare is a human right.  95% + Taiwanese believe it is, therefore they have universal healthcare.

Same goes for this pandemic, more Taiwanese/S Koreans people take this seriously. More public buy-in = better results. Hopefully American people can put down our pride and learn from other countries' success.  It's smart to sacrifice some individual freedom for the greater good.

Dude they (China) knew since November and they sent the doctor to jail/questioned and released because he talked about SARS like virus. They could of isolated that area.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 19, 2020, 04:16:52 PM
Possibly more than half of Californians will become infected:

 https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/ (https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/)

This is worrisome

Seems like irresponsible reporting.  Here's his letter, I don't see any such claim.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/3.19.20-Letter.pdf
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2020, 04:21:08 PM
Possibly more than half of Californians will become infected:

 https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/ (https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/)

This is worrisome

The only thing worrisome is we have a numbskull in charge of our state. Gov Nuisance needs to shut his trap, what an irresponsible statement to make at a critical time for people’s psyche.  There are fewer than 250,000 cases on Earth and our leader states 25,500,000 will be infected in California? Just so he can grab some money. What a dope!

The state projects that 25.5 million people in California will be infected with the coronavirus over an eight-week period, Newsom said in a letter sent to President Trump on Wednesday
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 19, 2020, 04:29:18 PM
Dude they (China) knew since November and they sent the doctor to jail/questioned and released because he talked about SARS like virus. They could of isolated that area.

I agree! What they did to allow this to become a pandemic is horrific. They allowed this to explode.   

What I was saying is the massive 50 million + forced quarantine is effective. They reported no new case of COVID-19 today.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 04:31:55 PM
Senator Dumped Up to $1.6 Million of Stock After Reassuring Public About Coronavirus Preparedness
Intelligence Chair Richard Burr’s (Republican N.C.) selloff came around the time he was receiving daily briefings on the health threat.


https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 04:32:38 PM
Senator Dumped Up to $1.6 Million of Stock After Reassuring Public About Coronavirus Preparedness
Intelligence Chair Richard Burr’s (Republican N.C.) selloff came around the time he was receiving daily briefings on the health threat.


https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness

I am not surprised. Not at all.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 04:42:04 PM
Dude they (China) knew since November and they sent the doctor to jail/questioned and released because he talked about SARS like virus. They could of isolated that area.

I agree! What they did to allow this to become a pandemic is horrific. They allowed this to explode.   

What I was saying is the massive 50 million + forced quarantine is effective. They reported no new case of COVID-19 today.

I do not believe their figures at all.
They control the press. They recently kicked out the wsj reporter from China. (So bs)

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
Senator Dumped Up to $1.6 Million of Stock After Reassuring Public About Coronavirus Preparedness
Intelligence Chair Richard Burr’s (Republican N.C.) selloff came around the time he was receiving daily briefings on the health threat.


https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness

I am not surprised. Not at all.

This is simply idiotic or pure greeds. Maybe both.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 05:01:41 PM
Senator Dumped Up to $1.6 Million of Stock After Reassuring Public About Coronavirus Preparedness
Intelligence Chair Richard Burr’s (Republican N.C.) selloff came around the time he was receiving daily briefings on the health threat.


https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness

I am not surprised. Not at all.

This is simply idiotic or pure greeds. Maybe both.

Or maybe he thought no one would find out or care.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 19, 2020, 05:09:17 PM
Maybe someone can answer this but aren’t we locking down sooner in our infection curve timeline than other countries?

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: AW on March 19, 2020, 05:15:48 PM
Maybe someone can answer this but aren’t we locking down sooner in our infection curve timeline than other countries?

They finally just shut down the beaches in Florida/spring break...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-beaches-close-arnold-schwarzenegger-tells-spring-breakers-stay-home-2020-03-18/?ftag=CNM-00-10aag7e
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 19, 2020, 06:00:26 PM
Possibly more than half of Californians will become infected:

 https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/ (https://ktla.com/news/california/more-than-half-of-californians-will-get-coronavirus-over-next-8-weeks-gov-newsom-says-in-requesting-federal-funds/)

This is worrisome

Seems like irresponsible reporting.  Here's his letter, I don't see any such claim.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/3.19.20-Letter.pdf

Wow LATimes reporting same thing and that his office declined to support the number.

Unbelievable irresponsible.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 19, 2020, 06:09:04 PM
Maybe someone can answer this but aren’t we locking down sooner in our infection curve timeline than other countries?

I highly doubt that. My office and all my friends' offices started sending employees home last Thursday afternoon. As of last Friday night (3/13), Prezi and the task force were giving press conf. where they announced that new tests are coming soon as early as next week (3/16 week) that will allow us to test thousands more each day.

Wuhan lockdown started on 1/23.
Millions of people fled the area and spread out all over the world around that time.
For the next 50 days, till 3/13, we were just basking in the glory and did not feel the need to prep or anything.
Maybe we are just walking around, spreading, and no one knows how real our case numbers are.

I am guilty too - discounted my wife's worries and hesitantly bought some essentials 'only to make her happy' before S* hit the fan. Now I just gotta live rest of my life with those looks and stares...:D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 19, 2020, 06:14:25 PM
And Bill Gates thinks we may be over reacting...

Bill Gates urges everyone to 'stay calm' during the coronavirus pandemic claiming some doomsday projections are 'too negative' and the crisis may only last six to 10 weeks in some countries
Mr Gates took part in an 'Ask Me Anything' session on COVID-19 on Reddit
He encouraged people to follow the 'shut down' approach to stop the spread
Mr Gates is known for his philanthropic work, including around global health
The Microsoft CEO said he worried about the economic effects of coronavirus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8130003/Bill-Gates-urges-stay-calm-coronavirus-pandemic.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8130003/Bill-Gates-urges-stay-calm-coronavirus-pandemic.html)
 

I have always agreed with stay calm.  I haven't hoarded anything.  I haven't even bought sanitizer, TP or water, except for water to go camping with.  So I agree with Gates on that.  But the "crisis" is as much financial as anything else.  And there are major cracks in the system.  It will not recover in 6 or 10 weeks IMO.  I don't think it's possible.  We read about how many people can't scrape together $500 in an emergency...wtf are they going to do now that they're unemployed.  They gotta eat, right? 

Wait a minute...Maybe THAT is what the hoarding is all about.  People are buying up as much as they can to live off of, thereby maxing out their credit cards and then plan to not pay the bill.  Just need to make it to the next paycheck.   

Dire...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 19, 2020, 06:21:23 PM
This unemployment chart reversing is inevitable. The big question is how high will it go? Anyone wants to take a guess? Will we surpass the unemployment number of 2011 reaching 10% MoreKaos, your thoughts? I think we are going to surpass the unemployment numbers of 2011.

1993 - 7%
2003 - 5%
2011 - 10%
2022 - ??

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0xybntsco7no3v/unemployment.jpg?raw=1)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 06:41:28 PM
And Bill Gates thinks we may be over reacting...

Bill Gates urges everyone to 'stay calm' during the coronavirus pandemic claiming some doomsday projections are 'too negative' and the crisis may only last six to 10 weeks in some countries
Mr Gates took part in an 'Ask Me Anything' session on COVID-19 on Reddit
He encouraged people to follow the 'shut down' approach to stop the spread
Mr Gates is known for his philanthropic work, including around global health
The Microsoft CEO said he worried about the economic effects of coronavirus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8130003/Bill-Gates-urges-stay-calm-coronavirus-pandemic.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8130003/Bill-Gates-urges-stay-calm-coronavirus-pandemic.html)
 

I have always agreed with stay calm.  I haven't hoarded anything.  I haven't even bought sanitizer, TP or water, except for water to go camping with.  So I agree with Gates on that.  But the "crisis" is as much financial as anything else.  And there are major cracks in the system.  It will not recover in 6 or 10 weeks IMO.  I don't think it's possible.  We read about how many people can't scrape together $500 in an emergency...wtf are they going to do now that they're unemployed.  They gotta eat, right? 

Wait a minute...Maybe THAT is what the hoarding is all about.  People are buying up as much as they can to live off of, thereby maxing out their credit cards and then plan to not pay the bill.  Just need to make it to the next paycheck.   

Dire...

The social unrest, leading to looting/riot and shooting, I hope that would not be the case. People need to have hope, so I praised Bill Gates for his works and reassurance in time of uncertainty. Even if it is for some hopes.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 19, 2020, 06:49:40 PM
For those of you Irvine newbies looking to buy a home in Irvine. This is NOT the TIME... wait until 2022. You will thank me later. The proud and the arrogant will be destroyed while the meek and humble will be lifted up.

- Panda
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 19, 2020, 07:07:48 PM
California Governor Announces Statewide Order To Stay At Home
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/california-stay-at-home-order-gavin-newsom-coronavirus-014232940.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 19, 2020, 07:16:48 PM
Seriously. Governments are crippling the world. Absolutely amazing.

It’s almost as if politicians are trying to see who can outstupid  each other the most.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 19, 2020, 07:20:24 PM
Guys... this does not look good. What exactly is "non-essential" business? Everything else except groceries and pharmacies?

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ybajkzn2xnx93g/home.jpg?raw=1)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 19, 2020, 07:31:01 PM
I am sure the county and state has a list of business that are categorized  as essential and non-essential. Try looking up county website.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 19, 2020, 07:32:04 PM
For example- hardware stores, electricians, plumbers, banks are essential.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 19, 2020, 07:32:36 PM
People will be protesting in large groups soon to show their disapproval.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 19, 2020, 07:33:02 PM
For example- hardware stores, electricians, plumbers, banks are essential.

Who is going to buy their services when no one has money
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 19, 2020, 07:35:53 PM
Quote
I am guilty too - discounted my wife's worries and hesitantly bought some essentials 'only to make her happy' before S* hit the fan. Now I just gotta live rest of my life with those looks and stares...:D

Same here...things I told my wife we don't need to stock up are now in short supply  :(
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Bullsback on March 19, 2020, 07:36:08 PM
This unemployment chart reversing is inevitable. The big question is how high will it go? Anyone wants to take a guess? Will we surpass the unemployment number of 2011 reaching 10% MoreKaos, your thoughts? I think we are going to surpass the unemployment numbers of 2011.

1993 - 7%
2003 - 5%
2011 - 10%
2022 - ??

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0xybntsco7no3v/unemployment.jpg?raw=1)
Yes - I see unemployment spiking quicker than we have ever seen. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
Seriously. Governments are crippling the world. Absolutely amazing.

It’s almost as if politicians are trying to see who can outstupid  each other the most.

Blame China
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Bullsback on March 19, 2020, 07:38:46 PM
Seriously. Governments are crippling the world. Absolutely amazing.

It’s almost as if politicians are trying to see who can outstupid  each other the most.
I wish we would just test all Americans at this point. I have a vague theory that we would find out we have a massive number of people who were infected with the virus with zero to no symptoms at all. If we had that data, I wonder if reactions/responses would be different.  The caveat to that is, if so many people have the virus with no symptom, it would be critical for those who are at high risk, stay quarantined. Let the masses get the virus and than rely on more herd immunity. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 19, 2020, 07:42:23 PM
Talking of economic impacts....not sure how true but Facebook giving 1000$ and exceeds expectations performance rating at this time. I hope govt doesn't bail put such firms like what happened with AIG in 2009

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/3/17/21183513/facebook-giving-1000-dollar-bonuses-every-employee-coronavirus-mark-zuckerberg
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 19, 2020, 07:43:48 PM
Seriously. Governments are crippling the world. Absolutely amazing.

It’s almost as if politicians are trying to see who can outstupid  each other the most.
I wish we would just test all Americans at this point. I have a vague theory that we would find out we have a massive number of people who were infected with the virus with zero to no symptoms at all. If we had that data, I wonder if reactions/responses would be different.  The caveat to that is, if so many people have the virus with no symptom, it would be critical for those who are at high risk, stay quarantined. Let the masses get the virus and than rely on more herd immunity.

I wonder the same. So far I have not seen stats like 1000 people chosen at random were tested, x were found positive, y were showing symptoms. What is x to y ratio is is like 10 or 50 or even more?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 19, 2020, 07:45:06 PM
I can understand why the politicians may not want to. If all the Americans were tested like the South Koreans, the confirmed cases will be Italy x 6. I am pretty we will be the number #1 confirmed country in the world. 50 million is the American population above the age of 65. Imagine 6% of this population passing away from the virus. Now something this would completely rock our country.

Seriously. Governments are crippling the world. Absolutely amazing.

It’s almost as if politicians are trying to see who can outstupid  each other the most.
I wish we would just test all Americans at this point. I have a vague theory that we would find out we have a massive number of people who were infected with the virus with zero to no symptoms at all. If we had that data, I wonder if reactions/responses would be different.  The caveat to that is, if so many people have the virus with no symptom, it would be critical for those who are at high risk, stay quarantined. Let the masses get the virus and than rely on more herd immunity. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 19, 2020, 07:45:54 PM
There is no way that there are only 14,202 cases in the United States.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 19, 2020, 07:46:17 PM
Talking of economic impacts....not sure how true but Facebook giving 1000$ and exceeds expectations performance rating at this time. I hope govt doesn't bail put such firms like what happened with AIG in 2009

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/3/17/21183513/facebook-giving-1000-dollar-bonuses-every-employee-coronavirus-mark-zuckerberg

They should give $1000 to each of their active users. They have made lot of money off of the users. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 19, 2020, 08:10:41 PM
It’s not a total lockdown. People can still go out for essential business/needs:

https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/

https://www.cisa.gov/critical-infrastructure-sectors
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 19, 2020, 08:34:12 PM
Welp fuck there goes the camping trip.  I was supposed to leave tomorrow AM.  Half the party is already there and the camp is set up.  And let's not forget the several hours I spent packing to go. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 19, 2020, 08:40:17 PM
Banks are open.   Shipping/transportation is open.  Defense contractors are open.  Civil Defense, I'm sure.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on March 19, 2020, 08:54:47 PM
Hopefully this short term pain will save thousands.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 09:17:13 PM
Slate.com article: Republicans Found a Way to Mail Checks and Still Screw People Over

Under the plan, the government would provide households an early tax rebate worth up to $1,200 for an individual or $2,400 for a married couple, with an extra $500 for each of their children. (So far, so good). The payments will be based on a household’s 2018 tax return, or if it didn’t submit one, their 2019 filing.

But the checks will shrink for both low- and high-earners. Americans with little-to-no tax liability (aka, poor folks) will only receive a minimum payment of $600, unless they earned less than $2,500, in which case they get zilch. Low-wage workers who don’t have a federal tax return for 2018 or 2019—adults generally aren’t required to file one they earn less than the standard deduction—also won’t qualify for the early rebate. (They could still get it next year if they file taxes for 2020, but by that time it will be a bit late.) Meanwhile, the payments phase down for workers who make more than $75,000, and drop to zero for those making $99,000 and above (double those numbers for joint filers).

https://slate.com/business/2020/03/the-republican-plan-to-mail-checks-to-everyone-still-found-a-way-to-screw-the-poor.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 19, 2020, 09:30:08 PM
Yeah.  That new rebate plan basically screwed a good chunk of singles that can afford to live in Irvine. 

I also worked my ass off without break last year to break 6 digit. Guess what. No tax break/refund for me because of it
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 19, 2020, 09:33:19 PM
This is going to crush whatever small businesses are left. I’m curious to see if people will still open up small businesses down the road knowing that the government can shut everything down when the next pandemic hits and take away everything they have worked for. Interesting times.   

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 09:34:54 PM
This is going to crush whatever small businesses are left. I’m curious to see if people will still open up small businesses down the road knowing that the government can shut everything down when the next pandemic hits and take away everything they have worked for. Interesting times.

Top it off you wont get a fake/scammy individual bailout check.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on March 19, 2020, 09:48:57 PM
I never counted on getting the bailout check anyhow so whatever, I just hope that my mom and dad get it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 19, 2020, 09:52:59 PM
75k and below. My mother and sis both in the group.  Im curious on how they even plan to distribute it.  Direct deposit to all tax return account?  Mail to everyone means that if one employee of usps terminal is infect.....then there goes the neighborhood
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 09:59:05 PM
75k and below. My mother and sis both in the group.  Im curious on how they even plan to distribute it.  Direct deposit to all tax return account?  Mail to everyone means that if one employee of usps terminal is infect.....then there goes the neighborhood

They were on tv talking like everybody is going to get it. Pa-lease!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 09:59:45 PM
For those of you Irvine newbies looking to buy a home in Irvine. This is NOT the TIME... wait until 2022. You will thank me later. The proud and the arrogant will be destroyed while the meek and humble will be lifted up.

- Panda

I am pretty sure for the rest of the year, appetite for buying a home will diminish dramatically given the current data’s points.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Bullsback on March 19, 2020, 10:02:58 PM
There is no way that there are only 14,202 cases in the United States.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Just like there is no way there were only the # of cases China claims to exist. US population is much bigger than Italy so obviously the ultimate numbers will be largely than Italy.  Italy also has one of the oldest populations in the world and in general has a much larger portion of its population leaving in dense large urban cities (vs. US). 

If anyone believes any of the #'s, coming from almost any country, you are crazy.  All that said, I am optimistic the actions being taken will curb this a bit, the scarier part is all of the models that say all this is doing is deferring the inevitable and mainly just ensuring hospitals aren't at overflow status while buying time for a vaccine/improved treatments. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Bullsback on March 19, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
I can understand why the politicians may not want to. If all the Americans were tested like the South Koreans, the confirmed cases will be Italy x 6. I am pretty we will be the number #1 confirmed country in the world. 50 million is the American population above the age of 65. Imagine 6% of this population passing away from the virus. Now something this would completely rock our country.

Seriously. Governments are crippling the world. Absolutely amazing.

It’s almost as if politicians are trying to see who can outstupid  each other the most.
I wish we would just test all Americans at this point. I have a vague theory that we would find out we have a massive number of people who were infected with the virus with zero to no symptoms at all. If we had that data, I wonder if reactions/responses would be different.  The caveat to that is, if so many people have the virus with no symptom, it would be critical for those who are at high risk, stay quarantined. Let the masses get the virus and than rely on more herd immunity. 
6% of the US population is not going to pass away from this. 1st off, that is using a very high mortality rate and essentially assuming no action to "flatten" the curve.  And if that happens...good luck, it isn't just going to be 6% of the US. This bug doesn't discriminate. Worse case scenarios have mortality rates well below that and more likely closer to 1% (and that is 1% of people who get it...which means if only half of country is infected, you are talking .5%). The Spanish Flu, which is widely modeled as one of the last true large pandemics, would drive an additional 1.5 deaths per 1000 individuals, which would project to an additional 500,000 deaths within the US. 

Italy is appearing to be a significant outlier in mortality rates and part of that might be due with the fact that you still have more smokers and have a much older population (Italy being 2nd oldest country in the world).  On top of that you have a ton of multi-generational living, meaning higher susceptibility that an individual who no symptoms who has the virus gives his dad/grandpa a hug/kiss and passes virus to a very high-risk individual. 

The whole thing is crazy though. Part of me says, if we are going to do this whole quarantine, we might as well literally just shut down the country for a month (works, everything...only exception is schools and what matters). Close markets, close everything. Ensure everyone has groceries and medicine and essentially that is the bail-out (all people are going to live in a socialist world for 1 month...without being able to live out of there house). 

All other forms of payment are just waived.  Mortgage, credit cards, paychecks...literally everything.  Everything just closes...essentially we all just pretend that month NEVER happened.  Markets closed. Everything.  Once this is done...turn everything back to normal and go back.  I honestly don't know how that could cost more than all of the various bailouts and stimulus being done (no idea how to execute on it though). 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Bullsback on March 19, 2020, 10:21:41 PM
This is going to crush whatever small businesses are left. I’m curious to see if people will still open up small businesses down the road knowing that the government can shut everything down when the next pandemic hits and take away everything they have worked for. Interesting times.
All debt, landlord payments, etc, is all going to get pushed back a month.  Everything kicked down the road. Would be shocked if it doesn't happen.  Don't know any other way to not leave small businesses, who don't have capital, totally screwed. 

I also assume we'll see some swift regulations regarding stock buybacks. Airline industry is getting bailed out...but airlines used almost all of their excess capital for buybacks.  Just imagine if they had to run like banks and/other financial institutions which actually need to keep capital to ensure they can survive these type of events.  On pure principal, airline bailout feels wrong for those reasons....that said, it is critical infrastructure for our country and if you don't bail them out, you just allow some new person to buy them out of BK for pennies on the dollar and get rich that way.  Not sure which is better (but while that entire process goes on...that is a lot of employees who are impacted). 

Unemployment numbers are going to be absolutely unreal and historic in how quickly they will ramp.  I think I saw where in 1 day, Pennsylvania had more unemployment applications yesterday than the entire US had in a week.  I wouldn't be shocked if we see record unemployment (don't remember what it was during the depression...but it will be higher than the great recession (i.e., 08/09). 

The bright side is once we get past this, the recovery will be pretty fast.  I still fundamentally think everything will be back within 18-24 months.  Which means, great buying times / opportunities to DCA on the various dips.  No idea when the bottom is and my on record guess is we get down somewhere in the 40-50% range (from the beginning of the year). I'm presuming we'll have more bad news than good news for at least 1-2 more weeks. 

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on March 19, 2020, 10:31:45 PM
There is no way that there are only 14,202 cases in the United States.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Just like there is no way there were only the # of cases China claims to exist. US population is much bigger than Italy so obviously the ultimate numbers will be largely than Italy.  Italy also has one of the oldest populations in the world and in general has a much larger portion of its population leaving in dense large urban cities (vs. US). 

If anyone believes any of the #'s, coming from almost any country, you are crazy.  All that said, I am optimistic the actions being taken will curb this a bit, the scarier part is all of the models that say all this is doing is deferring the inevitable and mainly just ensuring hospitals aren't at overflow status while buying time for a vaccine/improved treatments. 

Plus Italians over in Italy were heavy smokers from what I remember seeing when I was there years ago which doesn't help with this virus.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2020, 10:41:08 PM
He is such an idiot!!

California governor Gavin Newsom issues statewide 'Stay At Home' order for 40 MILLION people - after warning 26 million could be infected with coronavirus in the next eight weeks


The governor said the order was essential in light of modeling by experts that showed roughly 56 per cent of the state's residents, or 25 million people, would contract the respiratory illness in the next eight weeks.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133181/California-governor-Gavin-Newsom-says-26-million-people-infected-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133181/California-governor-Gavin-Newsom-says-26-million-people-infected-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 10:48:35 PM
He is such an idiot!!

California governor Gavin Newsom issues statewide 'Stay At Home' order for 40 MILLION people - after warning 26 million could be infected with coronavirus in the next eight weeks


The governor said the order was essential in light of modeling by experts that showed roughly 56 per cent of the state's residents, or 25 million people, would contract the respiratory illness in the next eight weeks.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133181/California-governor-Gavin-Newsom-says-26-million-people-infected-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133181/California-governor-Gavin-Newsom-says-26-million-people-infected-coronavirus.html)

At this point , I am pretty sure Morelia’s will go out and hi five everyone and disregard the warning.

Everyone steer clear of Kaos when you meet him.😊
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 19, 2020, 11:02:21 PM
here's another tricky thing though. Rent.

Everywhere you look, there are programs being discussed for the mortgage and property tax being suspended, stopped, etc. , but not rent.
SO what's going happen to all the tenants?
Even if you stop evictions for a couple of months, a good chunk of people renting are living month to month.
They are in no way, shape or form to make up for those three, four months of missed rent just because the quarantine is suddenly lifted.
Assuming they even still have their job.
What now?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 11:08:02 PM
here's another tricky thing though. Rent.

Everywhere you look, there are programs being discussed for the mortgage and property tax being suspended, stopped, etc. , but not rent.
SO what's going happen to all the tenants?
Even if you stop evictions for a couple of months, a good chunk of people renting are living month to month.
They are in no way, shape or form to make up for those three, four months of missed rent just because the quarantine is suddenly lifted.
Assuming they even still have their job.
What now?

That’s a legit concern. Say you rent from The Irvine Co. I assume they would run credit check and your bank accounts have to be submitted,no?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 19, 2020, 11:11:36 PM
here's another tricky thing though. Rent.

Everywhere you look, there are programs being discussed for the mortgage and property tax being suspended, stopped, etc. , but not rent.
SO what's going happen to all the tenants?
Even if you stop evictions for a couple of months, a good chunk of people renting are living month to month.
They are in no way, shape or form to make up for those three, four months of missed rent just because the quarantine is suddenly lifted.
Assuming they even still have their job.
What now?

That’s a legit concern. Say you rent from The Irvine Co. I assume they would run a credit check and your bank accounts have to be submitted, no?

They run a credit check, and require pay stub along with enough money to cover for a month or two of rent.

The thing is, both rent and property value has been increasing faster than income growth for the last decade. People that may have been decently well off living in Irvine a couple years ago may not be in a similar position now.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 19, 2020, 11:12:11 PM
I paid my property taxes a couple of weeks ago but was curious if they were going to push back the deadline. Nope, stills due 4/10.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 19, 2020, 11:16:50 PM
here's another tricky thing though. Rent.

Everywhere you look, there are programs being discussed for the mortgage and property tax being suspended, stopped, etc. , but not rent.
SO what's going happen to all the tenants?
Even if you stop evictions for a couple of months, a good chunk of people renting are living month to month.
They are in no way, shape or form to make up for those three, four months of missed rent just because the quarantine is suddenly lifted.
Assuming they even still have their job.
What now?

It is going to get worst before it gets better.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 11:20:25 PM
here's another tricky thing though. Rent.

Everywhere you look, there are programs being discussed for the mortgage and property tax being suspended, stopped, etc. , but not rent.
SO what's going happen to all the tenants?
Even if you stop evictions for a couple of months, a good chunk of people renting are living month to month.
They are in no way, shape or form to make up for those three, four months of missed rent just because the quarantine is suddenly lifted.
Assuming they even still have their job.
What now?

That’s a legit concern. Say you rent from The Irvine Co. I assume they would run a credit check and your bank accounts have to be submitted, no?

They run a credit check, and require pay stub along with enough money to cover for a month or two of rent.

The thing is, both rent and property value has been increasing faster than income growth for the last decade. People that may have been decently well off living in Irvine a couple years ago may not be in a similar position now.

I would ping the leasing office, ask for the manager and not the paper pusher, if you really in a spot where your job is in jeopardy because of this crisis. Deep picket Irvine Co, leasing always have a lost bucket, in this case is an exceptionally circumstance, if you are really on a hardship and can prove it. Big CO. can take the lost and they will report it on their book.

I would raise this sooner than later to your lease office.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 19, 2020, 11:24:18 PM
here's another tricky thing though. Rent.

Everywhere you look, there are programs being discussed for the mortgage and property tax being suspended, stopped, etc. , but not rent.
SO what's going happen to all the tenants?
Even if you stop evictions for a couple of months, a good chunk of people renting are living month to month.
They are in no way, shape or form to make up for those three, four months of missed rent just because the quarantine is suddenly lifted.
Assuming they even still have their job.
What now?

That’s a legit concern. Say you rent from The Irvine Co. I assume they would run a credit check and your bank accounts have to be submitted, no?

They run a credit check, and require pay stub along with enough money to cover for a month or two of rent.

The thing is, both rent and property value has been increasing faster than income growth for the last decade. People that may have been decently well off living in Irvine a couple years ago may not be in a similar position now.

I would ping the leasing office, ask for the manager and not the paper pusher, if you really in a spot where your job is in jeopardy because of this crisis. Deep picket Irvine Co, leasing always have a lost bucket, in this case is an exceptionally circumstance, if you are really on a hardship and can prove it. Big CO. can take the lost and they will report it on their book.

I would raise this sooner than later to your lease office.

Nah, i'm lucky enough to have a job that's relatively secure, assuming the situation doesn't get worse (knock on wood). but a few of my friends aren't so lucky. thanks for caring though.
I'm a bit worried on how they will survive* through this, but yeah.. i'll pin the message to them.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 11:28:07 PM
here's another tricky thing though. Rent.

Everywhere you look, there are programs being discussed for the mortgage and property tax being suspended, stopped, etc. , but not rent.
SO what's going happen to all the tenants?
Even if you stop evictions for a couple of months, a good chunk of people renting are living month to month.
They are in no way, shape or form to make up for those three, four months of missed rent just because the quarantine is suddenly lifted.
Assuming they even still have their job.
What now?

That’s a legit concern. Say you rent from The Irvine Co. I assume they would run a credit check and your bank accounts have to be submitted, no?

They run a credit check, and require pay stub along with enough money to cover for a month or two of rent.

The thing is, both rent and property value has been increasing faster than income growth for the last decade. People that may have been decently well off living in Irvine a couple years ago may not be in a similar position now.

I would ping the leasing office, ask for the manager and not the paper pusher, if you really in a spot where your job is in jeopardy because of this crisis. Deep picket Irvine Co, leasing always have a lost bucket, in this case is an exceptionally circumstance, if you are really on a hardship and can prove it. Big CO. can take the lost and they will report it on their book.

I would raise this sooner than later to your lease office.

Nah, i'm lucky enough to have a job that's relatively secure, assuming the situation doesn't get worse (knock on wood). but a few of my friends aren't so lucky. thanks for caring though.
I'm a bit worried on how they will survey through this, but yeah.. i'll pin the message to them.

Sometimes all it takes is to reach out and let them know that it might seem dire, but that they got a friend (you) that’s all that they need to feel better.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 11:34:15 PM
I paid my property taxes a couple of weeks ago but was curious if they were going to push back the deadline. Nope, stills due 4/10.

You already paid so it does not matter, but for those that could not meet it , you can reach out to the assessor office and ask for extension and free of interest. I had a friend that done it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Innosint on March 19, 2020, 11:34:45 PM
I paid my property taxes a couple of weeks ago but was curious if they were going to push back the deadline. Nope, stills due 4/10.

I'm pretty sure that's still in discussion stage for Cali and most other states... may take a while for this to be implemented.

edit: nevermind, apparently you can already do it according to compress village.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 12:17:29 AM
CBS LA Article: Costco Crackdown: Stores Across Southland Place Limit On Essential Items To Curb Coronavirus Panic Buying

Costco is restricting the purchase of essential items and prohibiting returns to ease panic buying amid the coronavirus pandemic.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/19/costco-crackdown-coronavirus-restrictions/

If were planning to return your extra stuff. I guess that is not going to work.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 20, 2020, 02:54:44 AM
Not really that big a consequence.   Those items are widely used and have a long to infinite shelf life.  Hopefully the limits will keep the shelves from getting so empty to stem the panic. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 20, 2020, 06:57:08 AM
That would actually be good.  All the doom scenario that keep getting trotted out are based off the 20% hospitalization rate and 3%ish mortality. I've seen some estimates that put the actual load at 8-9 undiagnosed for every one diagnosed.

I saw a number earlier on TI here, I think yours, where they guess we had 250,000 if we tested like South Korea.  That, I think, would be the best case scenario.  If we actually have 250,000 with it, but only 2000 in the hospital and 200 dead, that's flu numbers. (At 60,000,000  infected that ratio is 46,000 dead)

This is why wide spread testing is so important .


I can understand why the politicians may not want to. If all the Americans were tested like the South Koreans, the confirmed cases will be Italy x 6. I am pretty we will be the number #1 confirmed country in the world. 50 million is the American population above the age of 65. Imagine 6% of this population passing away from the virus. Now something this would completely rock our country.

Seriously. Governments are crippling the world. Absolutely amazing.

It’s almost as if politicians are trying to see who can outstupid  each other the most.
I wish we would just test all Americans at this point. I have a vague theory that we would find out we have a massive number of people who were infected with the virus with zero to no symptoms at all. If we had that data, I wonder if reactions/responses would be different.  The caveat to that is, if so many people have the virus with no symptom, it would be critical for those who are at high risk, stay quarantined. Let the masses get the virus and than rely on more herd immunity. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 20, 2020, 06:59:40 AM
Senator Dumped Up to $1.6 Million of Stock After Reassuring Public About Coronavirus Preparedness
Intelligence Chair Richard Burr’s (Republican N.C.) selloff came around the time he was receiving daily briefings on the health threat.


https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness

I am not surprised. Not at all.

Looks like corona is not the only thing contagious...

Revealed: Four senators dumped millions in stocks while Capitol Hill was being briefed on the coronavirus threat but BEFORE markets started tanking





https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8132245/GOP-senator-gave-dire-coronavirus-warning-heeled-constituents-Capitol-Hill-social-club.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8132245/GOP-senator-gave-dire-coronavirus-warning-heeled-constituents-Capitol-Hill-social-club.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 20, 2020, 07:17:12 AM
Did the suppliers that provide supplies to hospitals sell every thing to hoarders? Was it all shipped in from China? Did regular replacement shipments stop?

I'm trying to understand how the hospitals don't have basic supplies already? (other than they've been running with near zero excess capacity?)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 20, 2020, 07:28:08 AM
I paid my property taxes a couple of weeks ago but was curious if they were going to push back the deadline. Nope, stills due 4/10.

I’m kinda glad this one is due now, because who knows if I’ll be able to pay that huge chunk in December.  At least I have 8-9 months to figure it out.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: freedomcm on March 20, 2020, 07:29:55 AM
Please Please Please cite sources if you are going to post potentially panic-inducing statements.  (or has your account been hacked by Russian trolls?)

This will not happen, since most essential (health/safety) personnel need gas to get to work


Rumor has it that gas stations are going to close for 48 hours soon.
Why?
To keep people at home.


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: freedomcm on March 20, 2020, 07:42:51 AM
Lean, Six Sigma, Just-in-time.

Healthcare is just like every other business.  Just a few days supplies are normally on hand.  Supply chain originates in China, just like all low-cost disposables!  (Hopefully they are ramping up the factories to the max now that they are on the backside of the curve)

Did the suppliers that provide supplies to hospitals sell every thing to hoarders? Was it all shipped in from China? Did regular replacement shipments stop?

I'm trying to understand how the hospitals don't have basic supplies already? (other than they've been running with near zero excess capacity?)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 07:55:22 AM
Not really that big a consequence.   Those items are widely used and have a long to infinite shelf life.  Hopefully the limits will keep the shelves from getting so empty to stem the panic.

In a way it is. In am guessing there are some people that buy knowing the fact that they can return it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 08:01:35 AM
75k and below. My mother and sis both in the group.  Im curious on how they even plan to distribute it.  Direct deposit to all tax return account?  Mail to everyone means that if one employee of usps terminal is infect.....then there goes the neighborhood

I knew it sounded too good to be true.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 20, 2020, 08:05:05 AM
I paid my property taxes a couple of weeks ago but was curious if they were going to push back the deadline. Nope, stills due 4/10.

I’m kinda glad this one is due now, because who knows if I’ll be able to pay that huge chunk in December.  At least I have 8-9 months to figure it out.

Good and bad at the same time, what if we all get a reduction in prop tax next cycle? Good that it lower your bill, bad that prop also drop in values it comes down to policies makers at the helm that the average Joe suffers.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 20, 2020, 08:16:38 AM
A note about Senator Burr (R-NC) who sold stock after getting briefed on Coronavirus. Yes, it looks bad... but IS it bad?

Per the articles on this Burr sold many of his position s on 2/13/2020. For those playing along with me on this, Feb 13 was around "Page 9 of 50" (so far) within this thread.

Any smart investor might look at the news on the ground - as we all had in hand back then - and sell.

Doesn't change the optics and this isn't a cover story for bad behavior. It's adding some context to this that readers of this blog thread can go back and see where we were at that time - pretty well informed on risk, but also not willing to act. I'm in that group. I did not sell and impacted like the rest of us. For those who did sell, congrats!

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 20, 2020, 08:26:49 AM
A note about Senator Burr (R-NC) who sold stock after getting briefed on Coronavirus. Yes, it looks bad... but IS it bad?

Per the articles on this Burr sold many of his position s on 2/13/2020. For those playing along with me on this, Feb 13 was around "Page 9 of 50" (so far) within this thread.

Any smart investor might look at the news on the ground - as we all had in hand back then - and sell.

Doesn't change the optics and this isn't a cover story for bad behavior. It's adding some context to this that readers of this blog thread can go back and see where we were at that time - pretty well informed on risk, but also not willing to act. I'm in that group. I did not sell and impacted like the rest of us. For those who did sell, congrats!

My .02c

The difference here imho is they acted on hard evidence and info, insider information, while fanning that it’s all well and under control. Most hard working people are at work and tend to their daily jobs and tasks at hand and only to realize it when the substantial loss occur. It never ever time perfect for the average investors. Where we are heading next is VERY important at this point.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 08:28:48 AM
It was announced yesterday that two Lakers have the caronavirus. But did not release the name.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 20, 2020, 08:46:14 AM
Multiple NBA players on different teams that all played the Jazz.

So I wonder if Gobert was NBA Patient Zero (they said because he had contact with people who flew in from France).
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 20, 2020, 08:49:20 AM
Is anyone else getting psychosomatic symptoms?

Every time I read about Covid I feel like my throat is scratchy and it's difficult to breathe.

#TIPatientZero?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 20, 2020, 08:56:51 AM
Did the suppliers that provide supplies to hospitals sell every thing to hoarders? Was it all shipped in from China? Did regular replacement shipments stop?

I'm trying to understand how the hospitals don't have basic supplies already? (other than they've been running with near zero excess capacity?)

I work in healthcare and happened to be in on a conference call recently with a supplier so I can shed some light on this. Bear in mind it was specifically about the heavy duty N-95 mask used by health-care workers.

Supplier was explaining why they could not fill our regular order and the need to raise prices

-   Masks made in China. Some essential parts of the mask were mostly made in Hubei province near where the Wuhan outbreak is
-   Production already ramping up but struggling to meet skyrocketing demand both locally and globally
-   Time required for obtaining new licenses to operate additional factories capable of producing masks that meet the standards for use by health-care professionals.
-   Global shortage and supply bottleneck for melt-blown fabric. It’s an extremely fine mesh of synthetic polymer fibers that forms the critical inner filtration layer of a mask.
-   A machine to make melt-blown fabric cost over 4 million dollars and require 6 months to put together.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 20, 2020, 08:58:47 AM
A note about Senator Burr (R-NC) who sold stock after getting briefed on Coronavirus. Yes, it looks bad... but IS it bad?

Per the articles on this Burr sold many of his position s on 2/13/2020. For those playing along with me on this, Feb 13 was around "Page 9 of 50" (so far) within this thread.

Any smart investor might look at the news on the ground - as we all had in hand back then - and sell.

Doesn't change the optics and this isn't a cover story for bad behavior. It's adding some context to this that readers of this blog thread can go back and see where we were at that time - pretty well informed on risk, but also not willing to act. I'm in that group. I did not sell and impacted like the rest of us. For those who did sell, congrats!

My .02c

If you find out about a nation-threatening pandemic and your first move is to adjust your stock portfolio you should probably not be in a job that serves the public interest.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 20, 2020, 08:59:16 AM
Anyone who coughs in public gets the stink eye from anyone nearby today.

While travelling back from SF last week at both stops for gas and "facilities use" as people finished their business a few were leaving the restrooms without hand washing. (Both sexes were guilty in case you were wondering). Off they went, spreading who knows what down Interstate 5.

Evidently you can't fix stupid.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 09:04:00 AM
Anyone who coughs in public gets the stink eye from anyone nearby today.

While travelling back from SF last week at both stops for gas and "facilities use" as people finished their business a few were leaving the restrooms without hand washing. (Both sexes were guilty in case you were wondering). Off they went, spreading who knows what down Interstate 5.

Evidently you can't fix stupid.

My .02c

You can not fix stupid. But where is my check?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 20, 2020, 09:06:52 AM
At what threshold do we not allow people to adjust their portfolio? ER Doctors? CEOs of Mask Manufacturing? According to other news reports, this guys public message was that this was a serious matter.

We are seeing a panic - something we did NOT see during H1N1. There was a pre-existing economic crisis, but not a health and safety related panic as we have today.

Any prudent re-read of posts in this thread from pages 1 to 9 AT THAT TIME (not in hindsight...) may have pushed some to sell. We all should have done so if we assumed a worst case scenario.

Doesn't make his actions legitimate or acceptable, but they don't rise to the level of criminality some are attaching to it.

Loffler (R-GA) is perhaps another story. Evidently her briefing was on 1/24/2020 and selling began shortly thereafter. More details on both of these people will come out soon. A key takeaway is that the "first news is often fake news". Before trouncing people over a headline, let's wait and get a full story from several resources before building the guillotine.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 20, 2020, 09:07:29 AM
Unobtainium...the winner will be rich...

Search for Coronavirus Vaccine Becomes a Global Competition

In the three months since the virus began its deadly spread, China, Europe and the United States have all set off at a sprint to become the first to produce a vaccine. But while there is cooperation on many levels -- including among companies that are ordinarily fierce competitors -- hanging over the effort is the shadow of a nationalistic approach that could give the winner the chance to favor its own population and potentially gain the upper hand in dealing with the economic and geostrategic fallout from the crisis. What began as a question of who would get the scientific accolades, the patents and ultimately the revenues from a successful vaccine is suddenly a broader issue of urgent national security. And behind the scramble is a harsh reality: Any new vaccine that proves potent against the coronavirus -- clinical trials are underway in the United States, China and Europe already -- is sure to be in short supply as governments try to ensure that their own people are the first in line.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-competition.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-competition.html)


https://youtu.be/g5UdUJBMdOc (https://youtu.be/g5UdUJBMdOc)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 20, 2020, 09:10:00 AM
Haven't heard much from the Anti-Vaxxer crowd recently. Why is that?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 09:14:32 AM
Haven't heard much from the Anti-Vaxxer crowd recently. Why is that?

Where is the fake GOP check?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 20, 2020, 09:42:49 AM
Haven't heard much from the Anti-Vaxxer crowd recently. Why is that?

Because they closed Disneyland. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 20, 2020, 09:44:41 AM
Anyone knows how much exactly we are getting in April? There are too many sources giving different numbers. Anything confirmed yet?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 20, 2020, 09:45:21 AM
I paid my property taxes a couple of weeks ago but was curious if they were going to push back the deadline. Nope, stills due 4/10.

I’m kinda glad this one is due now, because who knows if I’ll be able to pay that huge chunk in December.  At least I have 8-9 months to figure it out.

Good and bad at the same time, what if we all get a reduction in prop tax next cycle? Good that it lower your bill, bad that prop also drop in values it comes down to policies makers at the helm that the average Joe suffers.

I call on Fivepoint to cover the Mello Roos of all it's homeowners over the next 2 Property Tax payments.

Everyone needs to do their part, right?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 09:48:02 AM
Anyone knows how much exactly we are getting in April? There are too many sources giving different numbers. Anything confirmed yet?

If you are talking about the $1k check I already shared the link. It is based on income. It is a sham/scam/hoax if you make money.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 20, 2020, 09:50:12 AM
Every time I feel something strange in my body...headache, chest ache, small cough, throat irritation, I feel like I have the wuflu.
This is not good for my mental health.  We need some happy news.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 20, 2020, 10:06:50 AM
Anyone knows how much exactly we are getting in April? There are too many sources giving different numbers. Anything confirmed yet?

If you are talking about the $1k check I already shared the link. It is based on income. It is a sham/scam/hoax if you make money.

So is it $1000 per person if you qualify? I hear if you have children you get more?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 10:10:11 AM
Anyone knows how much exactly we are getting in April? There are too many sources giving different numbers. Anything confirmed yet?

If you are talking about the $1k check I already shared the link. It is based on income. It is a sham/scam/hoax if you make money.

So is it $1000 per person if you qualify? I hear if you have children you get more?

Yes look at the link. If you qualify you will get a lot with your 10 kids jk
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 20, 2020, 10:11:12 AM
Anyone knows how much exactly we are getting in April? There are too many sources giving different numbers. Anything confirmed yet?

If you are talking about the $1k check I already shared the link. It is based on income. It is a sham/scam/hoax if you make money.

So is it $1000 per person if you qualify? I hear if you have children you get more?

Yes look at the link. If you qualify you will get a lot with your 10 kids jk

YAY!!!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 20, 2020, 10:14:09 AM
@eyephone,

The article you shared says $2400 for married and $500 additional for each child. Where does $1000 come from?
Also is this all confirmed or still in the process of figuring things out?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 20, 2020, 10:29:12 AM
Is anyone else getting psychosomatic symptoms?

Every time I read about Covid I feel like my throat is scratchy and it's difficult to breathe.

#TIPatientZero?

It's all in your head. Stress and anxiety.

Well, it could be a #seasonal allergy.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on March 20, 2020, 10:29:47 AM
Did the suppliers that provide supplies to hospitals sell every thing to hoarders? Was it all shipped in from China? Did regular replacement shipments stop?

I'm trying to understand how the hospitals don't have basic supplies already? (other than they've been running with near zero excess capacity?)

Regular shipments stopped.  Before the crisis, my supplier sold me a box of 50 masks from China for $2.50.  At beginning of February, they are limited to 10 boxes per customer at $5.00 per box.  And now, they only sold them on ebay for up to $75 per box.  >:(
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 20, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
The economic stimulus check guidelines are not yet solidly in place. From what I've read:

1) $75k to $99K AGI from 2018 returns - individual filing - will get about $1,000 each, $500 per dependent child. Sliding scale in this case. The closer to $90k, the lower the check amount.

2) $150k to $200k AGI from 2018 returns - married filing - will get about $2,400, plus $500 per dependent child. Also on a sliding scale.

All of this has yet to be put in stone. IMHO they will just round both figures up to $99k (Individual) and $200k (Married) at the same $$$ noted above, removing the sliding scale.

We shall see.....

Also - I guess DiFi also sold stock after the briefing. Q: How many will be screaming for her resignation?  A: Not many.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 20, 2020, 10:44:15 AM
$200k AGI from 2018 returns isn't bad.  I had read it was going to be $150k AGI for married filing jointly. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 20, 2020, 11:15:49 AM
The economic stimulus check guidelines are not yet solidly in place. From what I've read:

1) $75k to $99K AGI from 2018 returns - individual filing - will get about $1,000 each, $500 per dependent child. Sliding scale in this case. The closer to $90k, the lower the check amount.

2) $150k to $200k AGI from 2018 returns - married filing - will get about $2,400, plus $500 per dependent child. Also on a sliding scale.

All of this has yet to be put in stone. IMHO they will just round both figures up to $99k (Individual) and $200k (Married) at the same $$$ noted above, removing the sliding scale.

We shall see.....

Also - I guess DiFi also sold stock after the briefing. Q: How many will be screaming for her resignation?  A: Not many.

My .02c

CV, your gonna need that money... ;)

Who on here want to take a bet 10:1, I will pay 10 X if Trump win re-election?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 20, 2020, 11:21:38 AM
Haven't heard much from the Anti-Vaxxer crowd recently. Why is that?

Mountains and camping site, while great for self-quarantine, they do not offer good wifi and cell coverage.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 20, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
Well, it could be a #seasonal allergy.

Good one.

This time it's different... a real slowdown. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 20, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
Well, it could be a #seasonal allergy.

Good one.

This time it's different... a real slowdown. :)

So you're finally agreeing with eyephone on housing slowdown?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 20, 2020, 01:50:47 PM
Well, it could be a #seasonal allergy.

Good one.

This time it's different... a real slowdown. :)

So you're finally agreeing with eyephone on housing slowdown?

Different circumstances that no one predicted... not even the super genius.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 20, 2020, 06:07:29 PM

Also - I guess DiFi also sold stock after the briefing. Q: How many will be screaming for her resignation?  A: Not many.

My .02c

I see this repeatedly on my twitter feed today. Help me understand. Why do people become hyper-partisan and take sides when it comes to corrupt politicians?

Americans are struggling financially.  401ks are tanking, people are getting laid off, while senators were using their secret briefings to insider trade.

IMO, they should all resign.


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 06:20:50 PM

Also - I guess DiFi also sold stock after the briefing. Q: How many will be screaming for her resignation?  A: Not many.

My .02c

I see this repeatedly on my twitter feed today. Help me understand. Why do people become hyper-partisan and take sides when it comes to corrupt politicians?

Americans are struggling financially.  401ks are tanking, people are getting laid off, while senators were using their secret briefings to insider trade.

IMO, they should all resign.

Ken: check out his logo it goes to google.com that says it all.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 20, 2020, 06:47:44 PM
First it's "Oh that basterd, selling stock when he shouldn't."

Now it's "Why are people so hyper-partisan...?" when someone else with a D handle gets named???

OK.

May I recommend staying off Twitter. Some context: For a long time I was a very engaged Twitter user. I shut my well established account off in 2019 as I started getting carpet bombed with creepy NSFW suggestions on Twitter and other Social Media by a frequent poster here onTalk Irvine

I miss what was good about Twitter (was active  2009-2019) but the negativity is so pervasive and toxic that once you've been away from Twitter for a while, things are much clearer - similar to what happened in Venice Italy if you've seen the reports.

Yes, some of these DC folks are clearly lying about how and why they sold stocks. Yes, as well, if anyone was paying attention in February and was smart enough to sell, they would have done it also.

Re read the first 9 pages of this thread. There was enough open and available news evidence at that time which made for some a compelling argument to sell.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 08:03:56 PM
here we go with your complains about twitter.
It has nothing to do with the virus. Lol

Do not think it is me. Because I do not know his Twitter account.
I thought your employer did not let you link the website to ti. Lol
I think you said that last time.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 20, 2020, 09:00:32 PM
SGIP, thanks for engaging. Agree or disagree, I always appreciated an intellectually honest discussion/debate.

Agree w/ Twitter toxicity often getting out of control. Unfortunately, part of my job takes me on Twitter, and it is also addictive despite all the polarization and negativity.

Maybe someone else was making excuses for Dianne Feinstein, but it certainly wasn’t me. My earlier response to you was not partisan.

If you find out about a nation-threatening pandemic and your first move is to adjust your stock portfolio you should probably not be in a job that serves the public interest.

I saw what you posted earlier about where we draw the line. Between ER doctor and CEOs of Mask Manufacturing, I don’t have a perfect answer. But I feel strongly that we should draw the line at politicians who are supposed to serve the public interest. What they did, however anyone wants to spin it, was not serving the public’s interest.

I don’t agree with Tucker Carlson on a lot of thing, but I loved his segment on Burr and Loeffler.

I brought up my disagreement with people being hyper partisan because corruption shouldn’t be a partisan issue. We would all be better off if we can send a message to both the right and the left: Having an R or D next to your name will not save you if you’re corrupt. They should resign.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 20, 2020, 09:48:49 PM
Here is an Coronovirus chart with updated stats.

People can form their own opinions but data is data.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 20, 2020, 09:53:32 PM
The whole thing about compensating execs with the company stock, and then making laws on insider trading, and then enforcing them and so on...it is an utter waste of time and resources. At the core, it is putting up too much mechanism to fight basic human instinct.

How about if companies gave their execs stock compensation in the form of their sector ETF or S&P 500 ETF. If the company stock did very well in the past year, they can get up to 500% of the target bonus. If all the companies and their execs in the sector work hard and ethically, they all will prosper. And up to 500% allocation on target is incentive enough for the employees to do what is best for their company.

They can buy and sell their sector ETF holding all day without worrying about insider trading rules.

SEC can do something better with the freed uptime.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lovingit on March 20, 2020, 11:03:02 PM
Are cops really pulling people over?  My friend said his friend got pulled over in LA and fined $250 for visiting a friend.  Why she didn’t say she was going to the supermarket is beyond me.

Can you still go to auto shop for routine service during this time?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 20, 2020, 11:10:31 PM
Are cops really pulling people over?  My friend said his friend got pulled over in LA and fined $250 for visiting a friend.  Why she didn’t say she was going to the supermarket is beyond me.

Can you still go to auto shop for routine service during this time?

Thanks for sharing.
Interesting. Did that person get stop for another violation or pulled over just to ask the purpose? Was it during the daytime or night?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 21, 2020, 12:50:51 AM
What was the actual citation for the fine?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 21, 2020, 01:08:39 AM
Are cops really pulling people over?  My friend said his friend got pulled over in LA and fined $250 for visiting a friend.  Why she didn’t say she was going to the supermarket is beyond me.

Can you still go to auto shop for routine service during this time?

Not sure about vehicle maintenance, good question though.  I see now all these car dealerships sending me emails saying their “virtual showroom” is still open, and click here to shop now!

At some point we might see a 2020 X5M for $40k OTD.  Ok that might be a bit much, but call on last day of March and I bet they are willing to give verrrry steep discounts.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 21, 2020, 06:08:18 AM
According to the Governor during his news conference, the only enforcement available was "public shaming" - really - and some very general "we'll look into this or that".

All "non essential" meetings of 10 or more are banned without an enforcement mechanism. In a case like this I'm reading about 3-5 people in an essential meeting.

Something else is the real story here which is often the case.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 21, 2020, 06:31:56 AM
As always @Kenkoko you provide much more light rather than heat with your forum contributions - the way it's supposed to be done. Others? Well, that's another discussion thread all together.

Is Loeffler lying? Yes, I think the case is clear. The rest? More than enough gray there to fog this thing up.

Seems like it wasn't just the Big Fish who have been caught up in this net:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/coronavirus-trading-house-senate-140260

In 2-3 days no one will care as people focus on their checks from DC, and sadly mortality rates overtake all other news stories.

Speaking about checks - I heard someone suggest send out debit cards with a 30 day time limit to "use it or lose it". This would be akin to the OD/Adrenaline shot scene from "Pulp Fiction" to the economy. Thoughts?

Finally, In case this link wasn't posted earlier, a good step for all the dataheads out there:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 21, 2020, 08:01:00 AM
Now this could help...

U.S. Orders Up To A Yearlong Break On Mortgage Payments


Homeowners who have lost income or their jobs because of the coronavirus outbreak are getting some relief. Depending on their situation, they should be eligible to have their mortgage payments reduced or suspended for up to 12 months.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818343720/homeowners-hurt-financially-by-the-coronavirus-may-get-a-mortgage-break (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818343720/homeowners-hurt-financially-by-the-coronavirus-may-get-a-mortgage-break)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 21, 2020, 09:26:32 AM
My employer is deferring monthly payments upon request for those in dire straits. How it works: If your loan payoff was June 1, 2049, now it's July 1 2049. No impact to credit.

Some tips - subject to change....

A) You have to call an 800 number EVERY MONTH to request another monthly deferral.

B) As of yesterday, the phone wait was 2 hours.

C) You are advised to stop Auto Debiting the payment. This should be done now anyway IMHO

If you are in a position of need, and have your loan with a large multinational financial company with a flag in it's corporate logo, the phone number to call is either 669-6650 or 669-0102. Both are 800 number prefixes. These numbers may change as time progresses.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 21, 2020, 10:25:10 AM
Thanks SGIP.  What is the criteria for being in dire straights?  Do I have to sell all my investments at 50% off and use them to pay my mortgage before I qualify for relief?  Any more delay from private firms more than 30 Days?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 21, 2020, 02:13:51 PM
Everything is in a state of flux. Announced guidelines are no longer a certainly

My first impression is that there is not a means test. The person who walked me through their families situation was a furloughed employee.

Today, requests are Month by Month. Tomorrow? Hard to say.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 21, 2020, 04:30:26 PM
I feel like we're going to find out if deficits matter.  And I think having an answer, regardless of what it is, will be worse than not knowing.

Actually, I guess we're either going to find the answer is either "yes", or it will still be "maybe".  We'll never know if the answer is actually "no".   But we'll really be pushing on "yes" with all this.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 21, 2020, 05:10:25 PM
I feel like we're going to find out if deficits matter.  And I think having an answer, regardless of what it is, will be worse than not knowing.

Actually, I guess we're either going to find the answer is either "yes", or it will still be "maybe".  We'll never know if the answer is actually "no".   But we'll really be pushing on "yes" with all this.

What has ever given you the impression that deficits matter?  The damn debt keeps going up and they continuously excuse it saying it’s only x% of gdp and then compare us to countries with a worst %
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvineboy on March 21, 2020, 07:23:41 PM
It was randomly during the daytime.  Don't know what the citation stated.  Just say you are going to the grocery store if you happened to get pulled over.

Are cops really pulling people over?  My friend said his friend got pulled over in LA and fined $250 for visiting a friend.  Why she didn’t say she was going to the supermarket is beyond me.

Can you still go to auto shop for routine service during this time?

Thanks for sharing.
Interesting. Did that person get stop for another violation or pulled over just to ask the purpose? Was it during the daytime or night?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on March 21, 2020, 08:16:41 PM
It was randomly during the daytime.  Don't know what the citation stated.  Just say you are going to the grocery store if you happened to get pulled over.

Are cops really pulling people over?  My friend said his friend got pulled over in LA and fined $250 for visiting a friend.  Why she didn’t say she was going to the supermarket is beyond me.

Can you still go to auto shop for routine service during this time?

Thanks for sharing.
Interesting. Did that person get stop for another violation or pulled over just to ask the purpose? Was it during the daytime or night?

That'll only work for up to 9pm as that's when grocery stores close.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 21, 2020, 08:29:36 PM
I still prefer cash over debit card with 30 day use it or lose it.
The goal here should be to put buying power into people's hand without creating extra incentives for people rushing into stores.
Also, cash would mean less admin cost, less bureaucracy, and less gamesmanship.
Anything not cash, there will be people selling their card/credit for cash, like they do now with food stamps etc. (more human contact & less social distancing)

I am not one to think the deficit doesn’t matter.
But we are still the global reserve currency and at such low borrowing cost, we can make meaningful moves.
It’s also a bad time to worry about the deficit.
When your house is on fire, you shouldn’t care how much water cost.
We are heading into a deep recession and we should do everything we can to avoid a depression.
A depression will be more costly than this cash bailout.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 21, 2020, 08:35:36 PM
Did anyone notice there are actually more people outside today in Irvine/Newport area? I don’t think people are scared of this coronavirus at all.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: akkord on March 21, 2020, 09:46:11 PM
Can you still go to auto shop for routine service during this time?

I got a smog check on Friday late morning when I did a grocery run. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 21, 2020, 09:55:23 PM
Rode along the beach in Lb and drove along Huntington Beach, more people out on a spring day than I have ever seen. People are going nuts sitting home.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 21, 2020, 10:22:38 PM
It makes sense that if the state isn't deferring registration due dates, then smogs are essential.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 22, 2020, 01:53:47 AM
Hawaii is in a terrible situation.   They can't afford the stigma of the virus taking hold there, but they can't afford to halt the tourism industry.  They're going to get screwed eventually.

But not before our trip there in May, hopefully.  (Wishful thinking, I know).

Welp fuck there goes the Hawaii trip, and the paid-in-full VRBO reservation.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hawaii-quarantine-arrivals-state-14-days-69732399

Hawaii is going to suffer badly.  Tourism is the #1 income stream.  What they did takes surprising and admirable political courage.  Much better than half-assed, let's-be-sure-to-really-drag-this-thing-out measures.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 22, 2020, 08:01:36 AM
Hawaii is in a terrible situation.   They can't afford the stigma of the virus taking hold there, but they can't afford to halt the tourism industry.  They're going to get screwed eventually.

But not before our trip there in May, hopefully.  (Wishful thinking, I know).

Welp fuck there goes the Hawaii trip, and the paid-in-full VRBO reservation.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hawaii-quarantine-arrivals-state-14-days-69732399

Hawaii is going to suffer badly.  Tourism is the #1 income stream.  What they did takes surprising and admirable political courage.  Much better than half-assed, let's-be-sure-to-really-drag-this-thing-out measures.


Heavy handed proven to give better result. Some of these dumdasses still think it’s no big deals. Better to do it early.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 22, 2020, 08:31:53 AM
Where and which country reporting the least infection right now? Russia? India? What are the infecting rate there?

Here is a good real time website to follow the game.

https://www.bing.com/covid (https://www.bing.com/covid)

You guys are pretty smart, so figure this out ZERO (0) death in Russia and 109 active case. And covid “suppose” to thrive in cold climate.

Someone else is noticing...

Why does Russia, population 144 million, have fewer coronavirus cases than Luxembourg?


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-does-russia-population-144-million-have-fewer-coronavirus-cases-than-luxembourg/ar-BB11vhDw?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-does-russia-population-144-million-have-fewer-coronavirus-cases-than-luxembourg/ar-BB11vhDw?ocid=spartandhp)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 22, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
Fox News: Sen. Rand Paul tests positive for coronavirus

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-rand-paul-tests-positive-for-coronavirus





Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 22, 2020, 02:43:10 PM
US already surpasses Spain and now at #3 spot in the total cases. Only behind China and Italy. I bet before the week is over, we will be at #2 spot. We might even cross China in few days as China has stopped seeing (or reporting) new cases while we are just warming up to increased testing.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 22, 2020, 03:21:28 PM
CNN: Trump on China: 'I wish they'd told us earlier' about coronavirus

President Donald Trump said Saturday that he wished China would have told him earlier about the novel coronavirus, despite previously praising the country's transparency on the issue.

"I wish they could have told us earlier about what was going on inside," Trump said during a briefing on the federal government's coronavirus response. "We didn't know about it until it started coming out publicly."

Trump added that China "was very secretive and that's unfortunate."

On January 24, Trump praised China and President Xi Jinping for the country's "efforts and transparency" in dealing with the coronavirus. That praise came nearly a month after the country informed the World Health Organization about the virus.

When asked by CNN's Jeremy Diamond on Saturday about his previous praise, Trump said he thought the country could have warned other nations sooner than it did.

"Because China has worked very hard," he said. "China was transparent at that time but when we saw what happened, they could have been transparent much earlier than they were."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/trump-china-told-us-coronavirus/index.html


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 22, 2020, 06:07:55 PM
Yah who cares? 428 is so much less than 22,000. I can see why all the panic.

Coronavirus Overshadows a Deadly Flu Season


With flu season still winding down, at least 144 children younger than 18 have died, a toll topped only by the 2009 H1N1 pandemic since health authorities began tracking flu data in 2004.

So far this season, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recorded 36 million flu cases in the U.S., with 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-20/coronavirus-pandemic-overshadows-a-deadly-flu-season?context=amp (https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-20/coronavirus-pandemic-overshadows-a-deadly-flu-season?context=amp)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 22, 2020, 06:19:27 PM
Just as a mental exercise, if 36 million infections recorded for COVID-19, how many would be hospitalized and how many would be dead?

I am curious.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 22, 2020, 07:00:05 PM
Cornflakes. Let's take California's population for example at 39 million. 20% of the California population is 65 years old an older. Assuming a death of 6% which is the number I have seen for the risk at this age group we are potentially looking at 432,000 death. This is assuming that 100% of California's population is infected with the COVID-19. 

Another information that maybe of your interest is that Jan 2020 Unemployment numbers for Orange County has showed its first uptick of reversal at 2.9% for Jan 2020 from 2.4% in Dec 2019. I think this unemployment wave will now start moving upwards.

Orange County Unemployment Data.
Dec 2019 2.4%
Jan 2020 2.9% - First uptick from bottom
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 22, 2020, 07:04:26 PM
Well before that point, the number of hospitalizations would be limited by the capacity of hospitals.  I've seen #s of around 2 hospital beds per 1000 people.  So we have space for .2% of the population.  The % of cases requiring hospitalization may need more clarity, but if we assume 10%, then 10% x 10% = 1%....which is 5x the capacity, and doesn't consider that utilization is not 0 in the absence of the pandemic.

Still as a mental exercise, if 10% catch it, and 2% die, that would be 720,000 deaths in a population of 360,000,000.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 22, 2020, 07:42:05 PM
Thanks Guys. Makes sense.

As of today we have 33276 cases with 417 deaths. Which is 1.25%.

If 36 million cases happen in USA, at 1.25% rate we are looking at 450,000 deaths. This is assuming that all the hospitalized patients (which is about 18% of infections) receive the health care at current standards and the system, care provides, and medical supplies are readily available to manage the caseload.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 22, 2020, 08:30:08 PM
Unfortunately that's a wildly optimistic way of estimating the mortality rate.  There were only 6500 confirmed cases in the US 4 DAYS AGO.  The ~27000 confirmed cases from the past 4 days are almost entirely all pending an outcome.  Most will survive.  Some will not. 

I will be calling my elderly parents tonight.  I only get to see them 2x a year. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 22, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
Cornflakes. Let's take California's population for example at 39 million. 20% of the California population is 65 years old an older. Assuming a death of 6% which is the number I have seen for the risk at this age group we are potentially looking at 432,000 death. This is assuming that 100% of California's population is infected with the COVID-19. 

Another information that maybe of your interest is that Jan 2020 Unemployment numbers for Orange County has showed its first uptick of reversal at 2.9% for Jan 2020 from 2.4% in Dec 2019. I think this unemployment wave will now start moving upwards.

Orange County Unemployment Data.
Dec 2019 2.4%
Jan 2020 2.9% - First uptick from bottom

When the damage the coronavirus inflicts on the U.S. jobs market becomes clearer, it could be unlike anything the country has ever seen. So, do you also track John Creeks job data which is the bulk where your busines, I am curious to know how both compare. I know that Buckhead is pretty techs heavy jobs and diverse, what about John Creeks? I think the diversity of industries matters to the local jobs. Here in Irvine, and OC for that matters, you have techs, pharmaceutical, bio, pharma, banking related as well as services and gig workers, well diverse before this crisis. The gig workers will probabbly hurt most. The other professionals, we work at home now but once the lift end, most have to get back to work. It will not be the same for awhile. Again, its the professional jobs that pays well enough to buy a condo which is 800K to start. And that is not a small amount. These gig workers not going to be able to afford homes in the first place.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 22, 2020, 10:27:57 PM
I know. I feel sad for and angry at all the people that compare this to flu, minimize the pandemic, and go about their life as usual. These are the citizens that will make us all pay for the stupidity en masse.

Italy has 9% mortality rate compared to cases. It is not that their healthcare system is 8 fold worse than ours. It is a flood of cases and many people are not getting optimal treatment.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 22, 2020, 10:56:54 PM
I know. I feel sad for and angry at all the people that compare this to flu, minimize the pandemic, and go about their life as usual. These are the citizens that will make us all pay for the stupidity en masse.

Italy has 9% mortality rate compared to cases. It is not that their healthcare system is 8 fold worse than ours. It is a flood of cases and many people are not getting optimal treatment.

Yeah. A lot of cases starting to pop up in NY.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 22, 2020, 11:08:42 PM
Just as a mental exercise, if 36 million infections recorded for COVID-19, how many would be hospitalized and how many would be dead?

I am curious.

Another aspect of this that doesn’t get talked about enough is the limited ventilators available. This is another challenge in addition to not enough hospital beds.

Let's just play this out with ultra conservative math.

We have 330 Million Americans, experts project 40-60% will get infected.

Let’s take the ultra-conservative estimate, call it 25%. That’s 82.5 Millions infected.

About 5 to 10% of infected will need Ventilators. Let’s use a Trump-ian estimate since Americans are super healthy and global trend defying – 2.5%

Even at 2.5%, you end up with the 2.06 million patients who need ventilators.

We have about 80k to 125k Ventilators here in the USA.

In the entire county of Los Angeles we have 650 ventilators.

Therefore it’s absolutely crucial we flatten the curve and drag this out. We need time so patients can get well enough to get off the ventilator and pass it to new patients who need it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 22, 2020, 11:19:48 PM
Here is the new death count of the past 7 days in Italy - 189,250,175,368,349,345,475.

On March 1st, they only had 9 new deaths in one day.

Here is Italy's new death count of the past 4 days - 427, 628, 793, 651.

Look at this progression  :-[

189,250,175,368,349,345,475, 427, 628, 793, 651
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Ready2Downsize on March 23, 2020, 12:23:14 AM
Just as a mental exercise, if 36 million infections recorded for COVID-19, how many would be hospitalized and how many would be dead?

I am curious.

Another aspect of this that doesn’t get talked about enough is the limited ventilators available. This is another challenge in addition to not enough hospital beds.

Let's just play this out with ultra conservative math.

We have 330 Million Americans, experts project 40-60% will get infected.

Let’s take the ultra-conservative estimate, call it 25%. That’s 82.5 Millions infected.

About 5 to 10% of infected will need Ventilators. Let’s use a Trump-ian estimate since Americans are super healthy and global trend defying – 2.5%

Even at 2.5%, you end up with the 2.06 million patients who need ventilators.

We have about 80k to 125k Ventilators here in the USA.

In the entire county of Los Angeles we have 650 ventilators.

Therefore it’s absolutely crucial we flatten the curve and drag this out. We need time so patients can get well enough to get off the ventilator and pass it to new patients who need it.

You need the staff for the vents too and that is from multiple departments...…… staff that are not out sick themselves.

Pray for no natural disasters to hit us at the same time and please don't get me talking about the debt piling up.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 23, 2020, 12:34:37 AM
You need the staff for the vents too and that is from multiple departments...…… staff that are not out sick themselves.

Pray for no natural disasters to hit us at the same time and please don't get me talking about the debt piling up.

Great point.

KTLA recently reported that we only have enough respiratory therapists, nurses, and doctors with critical care training to cover up to 135k patients to be put on ventilators at any one time.


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 23, 2020, 06:12:02 AM
 But trying to save everyone/flatten the curve comes at a cost.

At some point the cost becomes to great. You can’t ruin society to flatten the curve. There will probably be more deaths from suicides/crimes as a result of trying to flattening the curve from all the people whose lives were ruined by trying to flatten the curve.



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 23, 2020, 07:36:18 AM
But trying to save everyone/flatten the curve comes at a cost.

At some point the cost becomes to great. You can’t ruin society to flatten the curve. There will probably be more deaths from suicides/crimes as a result of trying to flattening the curve from all the people whose lives were ruined by trying to flatten the curve.


JIMHO, if you really want to end the economy as you know it, you go with the flattening the curve is too expensive.  That way when the social media from their hundred plus ‘friends’ of 20, 30, & 40s start filling up with “My 23 yr old cousin died cuz there wasn’t a ventilator left” “my 30 year old neighbor is on a ventilator” and social media influencers suddenly look like shit and disappear for a bit, those 20s, 30s, and 40s, aren’t going back to their packed restaurants, entertainment venues and Travel and other venues.  That’ll go to about June, then it’ll calm, then like the flu, Sept/Oct starts coming back and November right back in the shot storm.

In general QWERTY, i like your Posts and respect your viewpoint, so take this as an honest critique analogy and not a direct accusation.  The flattening curve is too expensive argument is the anti-vaxxer chicken pox party idea except it won’t be over quickly and 1-6% of those infected die and it winds its way thru 100 to 200 million of the population and then comes back again and again to pick up those it missed.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 23, 2020, 07:38:52 AM
This model predicts the last day each state can act before the point of no return:  (It also shows potential results from different mitigation methods.)

https://covidactnow.org/


You can de-select some of the mitigation methods by clicking on the corresponding color circles below the chart.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 23, 2020, 08:02:14 AM
Nation's jobless claim can exceed 2 million for this week:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-20/u-s-weekly-jobless-claims-could-exceed-2-million-goldman-says

Contrast this to the number a year ago:  211,000 jobless claims for 3/2019.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 23, 2020, 08:02:25 AM
Also from the Investor's Business Daily (paper, sorry no link): Expecting between 1.5 million to 2 million in jobless claim this coming Thursday. 
Ohio's numbers are 139,468 from Sun-Thu contrasted to the week before which was 4,815.

The highest jobless claim number was in 1982 with approx. 685,000.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 23, 2020, 08:03:12 AM
@Nosuchreality - there is no hair ant that this thing is not going to come back even with all of the current measures. Even if it was eradicated in the next month in the US, it needs to be eradicated world wide and in a similar time frame. With the world being interconnected if we stop it and the rest of the world doesn’t it will just come back. We are just going to have to deal with the consequences until there are treatments/vaccines.

I know this is not the flu, but somehow we have to terms that the flu comes every year and people are going to die. I still don’t understand why the world is stopping for this particular disease when it never has for others.

People die every day for different reasons. This is just another one.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kings on March 23, 2020, 08:07:05 AM
This model predicts the last day each state can act before the point of no return:  (It also shows potential results from different mitigation methods.)

https://covidactnow.org/


You can de-select some of the mitigation methods by clicking on the corresponding color circles below the chart.

i'd like to see another overlapping graph that shows when the economy fails and people start looting because they don't have money for rent/food.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 23, 2020, 08:12:45 AM
I see that we need to "flatten the curve" for lack of beds/ventilators, but the crush on our economy will bring an economic depression.  The mental health toll as well as physical toll of major financial stress will bring about more illness (mental/physical) as well as suicides, domestic violence, divorce, etc.  A lot of businesses will not come back.  Like the restaurants that are closed, they may not have to pay for labor right now but if they have no revenue, then how are they going to pay their vendors for goods/services already purchased, and how are they going to keep paying for their lease?

I agree with Qwerty that this "cure" will bring a lot of pain and it will take years to recover.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 23, 2020, 08:22:32 AM
I understand that we need to prevent a surge at hospitals so I agree with what we have to do now, but I am not looking forward to the economic pain that will result.  This was exactly the issue that the panel on the Event 201 (Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation coronavirus simulation back in fall of 2019) grappled with, how to contain/mitigate the virus while not causing public panic and keeping the economy going.

I think containment was the key but it is too late for some states.  Unless we can miraculously increase the beds and ventilators to keep up with the sick, we now have no choice but to try to "flatten the curve" and keeping things going until a vaccine.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 23, 2020, 08:29:24 AM
@qwerty yes, its too late IMHO to stop it, its too wide spread.  It will come back over and over for 12-18 months. That's the Imperial College report that is largely driving decision.  Multiple waves over 18 months trying to keep it to manageable levels.  Unmanaged it lasts as long and 6-7% fatality, maybe higher with the same or worse impact on the economy.

Manage and keep basic services going,  or let it run, ImHO, martial law and anarchy when basic services break down.

@Nosuchreality - there is no hair ant that this thing is not going to come back even with all of the current measures. Even if it was eradicated in the next month in the US, it needs to be eradicated world wide and in a similar time frame. With the world being interconnected if we stop it and the rest of the world doesn’t it will just come back. We are just going to have to deal with the consequences until there are treatments/vaccines.

I know this is not the flu, but somehow we have to terms that the flu comes every year and people are going to die. I still don’t understand why the world is stopping for this particular disease when it never has for others.

People die every day for different reasons. This is just another one.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 23, 2020, 08:56:43 AM
We have a wonderful opportunity here to use a marker and watch the very public story of actual infection.  The public will follow Tom and Rita’s every tweet, ache and symptom. What a wonderful study....how much you wanna bet Eye, that they come through this just fine?  Won’t even make a good made for TV movie.

They look pretty good....

'There is no crying in baseball':

Tom Hanks shares a photo of him and his wife, quotes his A League Of Their Own character and says he and wife Rita Wilson are 'taking it one-day-at-a-time' after catching coronavirus


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8107629/Tom-Hanks-wife-Rita-Wilson-taking-one-day-time-testing-positive-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8107629/Tom-Hanks-wife-Rita-Wilson-taking-one-day-time-testing-positive-coronavirus.html)

All Better....

Tom Hanks reveals he and Rita Wilson both 'feel better' two weeks after contracting coronavirus

Coronavirus victim Tom Hanks has revealed that he and wife Rita Wilson are 'feeling better'.

Taking to Twitter he revealed that the two, both 63, were improving, a week and a half after they were diagnosed, while also urging everyone to stay inside to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

'Hey, folks. Two weeks after our first symptoms and we feel better,' he wrote.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8141645/Tom-Hanks-reveals-Rita-Wilson-feel-better-two-weeks-contracting-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8141645/Tom-Hanks-reveals-Rita-Wilson-feel-better-two-weeks-contracting-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 23, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
That's what I wonder about... this 2-week incubation period.

Won't it just be a rolling 2 weeks until we are all exposed/immune because this isn't a seasonal virus that will die when it gets warmer?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 23, 2020, 10:40:57 AM
But trying to save everyone/flatten the curve comes at a cost.

At some point the cost becomes to great. You can’t ruin society to flatten the curve. There will probably be more deaths from suicides/crimes as a result of trying to flattening the curve from all the people whose lives were ruined by trying to flatten the curve.

Everyone has a limit. We all know what the stakes are, but you can't keep imposing new restrictions on people for an indefinite time. No amount of "education" can make people sacrifice themselves for the "common good" because underneath our very thin veneer of civilization, we are still very much the wild animals that our ancestors were.
At some point, people will say enough. Then what? Is the state going to use force? Deadly force? Unless we step back and calmly look at the big picture, we are headed to Mad Max world.


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 23, 2020, 11:04:16 AM
Keep a watch on the death rates...after all, isn't that really what matters?

Why this Nobel laureate predicts a quicker coronavirus recovery: 'We're going to be fine'


Michael Levitt, a Nobel laureate and Stanford biophysicist, began analyzing the number of COVID-19 cases worldwide in January and correctly calculated that China would get through the worst of its coronavirus outbreak long before many health experts had predicted.

Now he foresees a similar outcome in the United States and the rest of the world.

While many epidemiologists are warning of months, or even years, of massive social disruption and millions of deaths, Levitt says the data simply don't support such a dire scenario — especially in areas where reasonable social distancing measures are in place.

"What we need is to control the panic," he said. In the grand scheme, "we're going to be fine."

Here's what Levitt noticed in China: On Jan. 31, the country had 46 new deaths due to the novel coronavirus, compared with 42 new deaths the day before.

Although the number of daily deaths had increased, the rate of that increase had begun to ease off. In his view, the fact that new cases were being identified at a slower rate was more telling than the number of new cases itself. It was an early sign that the trajectory of the outbreak had shifted.

Think of the outbreak as a car racing down an open highway, he said. Although the car was still gaining speed, it's not accelerating as rapidly as before.

“This suggests that the rate of increase in number of the deaths will slow down even more over the next week,” Levitt wrote in a report he sent to friends Feb. 1 that was widely shared on Chinese social media. And soon, he predicted, the number of deaths would be decreasing every day.

Three weeks later, Levitt told the China Daily News that the virus' rate of growth had peaked. He predicted that the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in China would end up around 80,000, with about 3,250 deaths.

This forecast turned out to be remarkably accurate: As of March 16, China had counted a total of 80,298 cases and 3,245 deaths — in a nation of nearly 1.4 billion people where roughly 10 million die every year. The number of newly diagnosed patients has dropped to around 25 a day, with no cases of community spread reported since Wednesday.

https://news.yahoo.com/why-nobel-laureate-predicts-quicker-210318391.html (https://news.yahoo.com/why-nobel-laureate-predicts-quicker-210318391.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 23, 2020, 11:23:25 AM
But trying to save everyone/flatten the curve comes at a cost.

At some point the cost becomes to great. You can’t ruin society to flatten the curve. There will probably be more deaths from suicides/crimes as a result of trying to flattening the curve from all the people whose lives were ruined by trying to flatten the curve.

Everyone has a limit. We all know what the stakes are, but you can't keep imposing new restrictions on people for an indefinite time. No amount of "education" can make people sacrifice themselves for the "common good" because underneath our very thin veneer of civilization, we are still very much the wild animals that our ancestors were.
At some point, people will say enough. Then what? Is the state going to use force? Deadly force? Unless we step back and calmly look at the big picture, we are headed to Mad Max world.

That’s is why the national guards rolling around. I can see a two weeks lock down but if it goes to 4, 6, 8 then they keep on extending, then every man for himself. I hopes after the two or three weeks a more sensible approach will enact. Otherwise, unrest and riot will take place.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 23, 2020, 11:27:31 AM
@Nosuchreality - there is no hair ant that this thing is not going to come back even with all of the current measures. Even if it was eradicated in the next month in the US, it needs to be eradicated world wide and in a similar time frame. With the world being interconnected if we stop it and the rest of the world doesn’t it will just come back. We are just going to have to deal with the consequences until there are treatments/vaccines.

I know this is not the flu, but somehow we have to terms that the flu comes every year and people are going to die. I still don’t understand why the world is stopping for this particular disease when it never has for others.

People die every day for different reasons. This is just another one.

qwerty, In my opinion, the mortality rate is the driving factor. Right now, approx. every 5th or 6th infected person requires medical treatment (~18%). The best mortality rates of sub 1% are in Germany and USA where healthcare systems are not yet strained to the limit. Italy has 9% mortality rate, meaning half of the people that needed medical care end up being dead.

If and when our healthcare systems is overstretched, it will be like China where citizens were forcefully locked into their own homes and leave it to their fate for survival.

Consider this:
1. The U.S. had an estimated 728,000 medical and surgical hospital beds available to the public in 2018, or 2.2 hospital beds per 1,000 people, according to the Urban Institute's analysis.

2. On a typical day, 36 percent of the 728,000 beds were unoccupied, leaving 0.8 beds per 1,000 people.

Source: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/will-covid-19-overwhelm-hospitals-near-you-16-things-to-know.html

It is not going to take much to fill up the empty beds. Ok, you can put up the tents and increase capacity 10x with heroic efforts. But then, you need 10x of everything... staff, medical devices, meds, ventilators, ambulances,

we can go from a consumption-driven economy to triaging health of citizens economy in a matter of weeks. No doubt flattening the curve is an expensive affair, but the alternative is much more expensive and a big unknown.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 23, 2020, 11:39:05 AM
Trump was already tweeting yesterday that we need to get back to normal soon. My guess is that is not long after 3/31. He has plenty of supporters (regular people, both republican and Democrat) who share his view and he controls the armed forces.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 23, 2020, 11:43:26 AM
China's numbers are suspect.  Don't use their numbers.  We should look at Italy and Spain as they have open reporting.
I take issue with that headline "Italy's death from corona virus surpasses China!!!!"
It's full of shit because CCP are a bunch of liars.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 23, 2020, 11:44:44 AM
If things go to shit, remember that the US does not have a Janissary Corps or a Praetorian Guard. Our armed forces consists of regular citizens who have the same concerns as regular citizens.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 23, 2020, 12:00:03 PM
Looking at the latest numbers for US , it doesn't look like the situation will be as bad here like in Italy atleast. Number of positives has gone up, but the mortality rate is not close any where that Italy was reporting with comparable number of positive counts.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 23, 2020, 12:05:33 PM
@cornflakes

“we can go from a consumption-driven economy to triaging health of citizens economy in a matter of weeks. No doubt flattening the curve is an expensive affair, but the alternative is much more expensive and a big  unknown”

I don’t think the alternative is more expensive than what is happening now. Trillions of wealth has been destroyed. Small business are being crushed and regular employees as well. And the known is a worldwide depression.  Not sure it can get worse than that.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 23, 2020, 12:15:46 PM
Looking at the latest numbers for US , it doesn't look like the situation will be as bad here like in Italy atleast. Number of positives has gone up, but the mortality rate is not close any where that Italy was reporting with comparable number of positive counts.

Look at NY
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 23, 2020, 12:33:37 PM
It will be interesting to see who survives this.

A bunch of chain casual restaurants have closed temporarily, won't even do takeout.

The ones that are still doing take out are the smaller ones and the fast food chains.

Some are doing free delivery... not sure how that works because who is going to pay the DoorDash/GrubHub/UberEats people?

And then even if you take out or get food delivered... is the food/packaging covid-free? :(
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 23, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
My guess is the grocery store may be worse than delivery. The cashiers at grocery stores use gloves but they don’t switch them after each guest. So if someone is sick and goes grocery shopping the cashier can touch their stuff and then touch everyone else’s grocery’s. Not sure what kind of risk involved there. The same is probably true at restaurants though unless you use McDonalds drive through and pay through the app :-)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 23, 2020, 01:09:57 PM
I don’t think the alternative is more expensive than what is happening now. Trillions of wealth has been destroyed. Small business are being crushed and regular employees as well. And the known is a worldwide depression.  Not sure it can get worse than that.

To say that definitively, we'd have to place a price tag on each death right?

I agree that the decision to shut down the economy is in some ways as dangerous as the virus itself.

But have we really played out the alternative scenario tho?

The alternative is people dying in the streets, completely collapsed healthcare system and most public services. Riots and social unrest? We are a country with over 300 million firearms, enough for each man woman and child.

Are we truly comfortable both as individuals and as a society to accept half a million,1 million, or 2 million preventable deaths simply because it’s too expensive and “hey people die every day for different reasons anyway”?
 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 23, 2020, 01:35:51 PM
If it got that bad, the people rioting would be much less because ultimately we are all selfish and those who aren’t sick would not be rioting.

It’s not simply that it’s too expensive - we are dereailing peoples lives, about 300 million pretty soon. So saving 1-2 million lives from Coronavirus > 300 million ruined lives?  Suicides, divorces, crime, etc.

I appreciate that you and others are concerned about saving lives. I agree that we should do whatever is reasonable to save lives (work from home when possible, distancing, etc).

I just have a problem when it become unreasonable.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kings on March 23, 2020, 01:40:12 PM
I don’t think the alternative is more expensive than what is happening now. Trillions of wealth has been destroyed. Small business are being crushed and regular employees as well. And the known is a worldwide depression.  Not sure it can get worse than that.

To say that definitively, we'd have to place a price tag on each death right?

I agree that the decision to shut down the economy is in some ways as dangerous as the virus itself.

But have we really played out the alternative scenario tho?

The alternative is people dying in the streets, completely collapsed healthcare system and most public services. Riots and social unrest? We are a country with over 300 million firearms, enough for each man woman and child.

Are we truly comfortable both as individuals and as a society to accept half a million,1 million, or 2 million preventable deaths simply because it’s too expensive and “hey people die every day for different reasons anyway”?

we've been putting a price tag on life and death since the beginning of time.  this is no different.  you paint a picture of riots, unrest and people dying in the streets because we didn't hide in our homes long enough.  i will paint a picture of riots, unrest, and people dying in the streets because we hid in our homes for too long.  where is the balance?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 23, 2020, 02:07:33 PM
I still don't understand why we're not considering an immediate lockdown (no leaving your house for any reason except to go to the ER) executive order for those 60+.  Those with severe immune disorders should be given the electable choice.  Anyone 0-59 can continue on with their business.  Let it burn through the herd of 0-59 year olds and yes there will still be carnage but significantly less.

I fear taking a drastic measure like this will be the only way to save our economy.  Doesn't everyone get the feeling that 2-3 weeks from now the curve won't be flat and they'll just institute martial law anyhow?
 I certainly don't want to be anywhere in Los Angeles in 3 months when 40% are out of work, can't afford rent and food, and start torching palm trees again.  May God save us all.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 23, 2020, 02:15:40 PM
Sure, this is a lose lose situation, no matter how you look at it. I think logical minds can see that clearly. We are stuck with dissecting which is the slightly better option.

If you look at other countries with better success at bending the curve without lock-down, like Japan, S Korea, or Taiwan. Their stock market tanked, and economies are facing recession as well.

Lock-down contributes to the depth of the economic destruction but certainly didn't cause it. We were already heading into a deep recession with or without a lock-down.

We are essentially arguing about picking lesser severity of economic destruction but more deaths and completely collapsed healthcare system etc.

Missing the crucial window of opportunity to suppress and contain, when we had low number of COVID-19 case, put us in this situation. We could have done tracing and quarantine when there were just limited cases. Once we are passed that, we’re in full mitigation mode which is a world of pain regardless of what we do from here on out.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 23, 2020, 02:41:28 PM
I still don't understand why we're not considering an immediate lockdown (no leaving your house for any reason except to go to the ER) executive order for those 60+.  Those with severe immune disorders should be given the electable choice.  Anyone 0-59 can continue on with their business.  Let it burn through the herd of 0-59 year olds and yes there will still be carnage but significantly less.

I fear taking a drastic measure like this will be the only way to save our economy.  Doesn't everyone get the feeling that 2-3 weeks from now the curve won't be flat and they'll just institute martial law anyhow?
 I certainly don't want to be anywhere in Los Angeles in 3 months when 40% are out of work, can't afford rent and food, and start torching palm trees again.  May God save us all.

I vote for aquabliss to be our next president. This is a sensible approach that I was talking about.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 23, 2020, 03:04:38 PM
I still don't understand why we're not considering an immediate lockdown (no leaving your house for any reason except to go to the ER) executive order for those 60+.  Those with severe immune disorders should be given the electable choice.  Anyone 0-59 can continue on with their business.  Let it burn through the herd of 0-59 year olds and yes there will still be carnage but significantly less.

I fear taking a drastic measure like this will be the only way to save our economy.  Doesn't everyone get the feeling that 2-3 weeks from now the curve won't be flat and they'll just institute martial law anyhow?
 I certainly don't want to be anywhere in Los Angeles in 3 months when 40% are out of work, can't afford rent and food, and start torching palm trees again.  May God save us all.

I vote for aquabliss to be our next president. This is a sensible approach that I was talking about.

While this is a practical approach (relatively speaking), I wouldn’t be surprised if some group sued on behalf of senior citizens that they are being discriminated against and their civil liberties are are being violated
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: nosuchreality on March 23, 2020, 03:16:34 PM
Well, we are basically going to fly blind.  NY is restricting testing to the hospitals.

As for the economy, let’s ask different questions.  International flights, when do you think you will be able to go and not get quarantined when you get there?

When do you think people go back to their consumer behavior?

There seems to be lots of hope pinned on under 59 it doesn’t really affect them. Or under 40.  From mortality rates, but that is also a very different scenario once health care gets tapped out.   I’ve seen the study that puts the 20-29 group at 0.2% which is 10x a bad flu year, and the older groups don’t fair better.  That’s without a healthcare collapse.

Before we agree to play Russian Roulette can we verify most of the chambers aren’t loaded?  Maybe run some large random samples to determine how many out there are affected, that will give us some numbers to balance infection rates.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 23, 2020, 03:23:40 PM
Chicago to rent out thousands of hotel rooms for COVID-19 patients
Anuja Vaidya (Twitter) - an hour ago   Print    | Email
   
As U.S. hospitals struggle to figure out ways to manage the expected influx of COVID-19 patients, the city of Chicago is moving ahead with one strategy — renting out thousands of rooms in hotels to isolate confirmed and suspected cases of the new coronavirus illness, according to the Chicago Tribune.

Now that is creative! It makes perfect sense. Roll in needed supplies and station a team of HCPs to manage the patients that require level 1 basic care. If patients worsen in their medical condition, they get elevated to actual hospital care where there are all the fancy equipment, meds, and professionals are available.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 23, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
the announcement yesterday afternoon then the second one later at night.....

what a fucking joke.

We basically have the OC board overruling the OC health.

In half a year, we will probably start reading about the OC board blaming OC Health moving too slowly during the outbreak and caused unnecessary infection.

CNBC article: Investor Bill Ackman urged President Donald Trump and corporate America in an impassioned plea on CNBC to shut down the country for 30 days to contain the fast-spreading coronavirus, calling it the only option to rescue the economy.

"What's scaring the American people and corporate America now is the gradual rollout," Ackman told Scott Wapner on "Halftime Report" on Wednesday. "We need to shut it down now. ... This is the only answer."

"America will end as we know it. I'm sorry to say so, unless we take this option," he said. Ackman added that if Trump saves the country from the coronavirus, he will get reelected in November.

Ackman urged U.S. companies to stop their buyback programs because "hell is coming." The biggest U.S. banks have already halted repurchasing stocks to put their capital to use helping consumers and businesses.


"The hotel industry and the restaurant industry will go bankrupt first, Boeing is on the brink, Boeing will not survive without a government bailout," Ackman said. "Capitalism does not work in an 18-month shutdown, capitalism can work in a 30-day shutdown."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/bill-ackman-pleads-to-trump-to-increase-closures-to-save-the-economy-shut-it-down-now.html

Again, we need to find a solution.
- temporary shutdown
- require everybody to where a mask or get beat down like in China (that might not work because there is not enough mask in the US to begin with)
- spray bleach/chemicals to clean: buildings, streets, restaurants, etc. (I do not know if it works, but they show video in China and other countries doing it)
- checkpoints
- no fly zone: only for government/medical/supplies/food
- President should enact the emergency powers for business to make supplies/cleaning solutions/ventilators (what is he waiting for?)

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: zubs on March 23, 2020, 03:58:28 PM
Since a face mask is suppose to protect others from your own sneezing and coughing, we can use anything as a mask.  A cloth mask would be fine.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 23, 2020, 04:02:57 PM
A restaurant in Lake Forest is turning into a take out food and "supply store". They packaging up bulk fresh chicken (9lbs), uncooked Ground Beef (3lbs), dry Pasta (2lbs), and a bunch of other essentials into a $150 bundle for sale. For those restaurants who haven't given everything away yet, this is how some will survive for a while. The spread between store prices and this offer is steep, but if it's there, ready to go, and "restaurant quality" why not?

My .02c 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 23, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
I guess I should set up Apple Pay or something like that. So I do not have to give  the worker my credit card.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 23, 2020, 04:38:37 PM
I heard that Del Frisco's at spectrum is selling chicken/eggs/milk, etc.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: mads on March 23, 2020, 05:00:20 PM
"Vincent Racaniello, a professor of microbiology and immunology at Columbia University and host of the podcast This Week in Virology, told BuzzFeed News that there isn’t even enough testing being done to know who is actually infected, which would make any plan to keep infection hot spots locked down completely infeasible.

“If you just lock down who have clinical symptoms,” he said, “it's not going to do a damn thing.”

Relaxed social distancing in Hong Kong is believed to have caused a second spike in cases this week.

“For god’s sake, do people really not have any patience in this country,” he said. “It was finite in China. It will be finite here.”"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/conservative-medias-new-coronavirus-plan-reopen-the-country (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/conservative-medias-new-coronavirus-plan-reopen-the-country)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 23, 2020, 05:08:38 PM
Chicago to rent out thousands of hotel rooms for COVID-19 patients
Anuja Vaidya (Twitter) - an hour ago   Print    | Email
   
As U.S. hospitals struggle to figure out ways to manage the expected influx of COVID-19 patients, the city of Chicago is moving ahead with one strategy — renting out thousands of rooms in hotels to isolate confirmed and suspected cases of the new coronavirus illness, according to the Chicago Tribune.

Now that is creative! It makes perfect sense. Roll in needed supplies and station a team of HCPs to manage the patients that require level 1 basic care. If patients worsen in their medical condition, they get elevated to actual hospital care where there are all the fancy equipment, meds, and professionals are available.

This is what I was talking about that we don’t necessarily have to build temp hospitals, we can use existing unused infrastructure.

The big problem is supplies, equipment and personnel.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 23, 2020, 05:09:29 PM
I guess I should set up Apple Pay or something like that. So I do not have to give  the worker my credit card.



Many have an online app where you can order and pay so the only contact you will have is whatever they package the food in.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 23, 2020, 05:18:49 PM
Did anyone catch Trump’s story in the presser about a guy on his deathbed and already said goodbye to his family and was given hydroxychloroquine and now he is better? Is this the story?

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/

Is that fake news? Because while googling for that I found this:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus

Where the man died.

Need to be careful of forsythia panaceas here.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 23, 2020, 05:23:55 PM
I still don't understand why we're not considering an immediate lockdown (no leaving your house for any reason except to go to the ER) executive order for those 60+.  Those with severe immune disorders should be given the electable choice.  Anyone 0-59 can continue on with their business.  Let it burn through the herd of 0-59 year olds and yes there will still be carnage but significantly less.

I fear taking a drastic measure like this will be the only way to save our economy.  Doesn't everyone get the feeling that 2-3 weeks from now the curve won't be flat and they'll just institute martial law anyhow?
 I certainly don't want to be anywhere in Los Angeles in 3 months when 40% are out of work, can't afford rent and food, and start torching palm trees again.  May God save us all.

There will be nuances to this though.

What if you are < 59 but live with 60+? You would have to be locked down too? How do you enforce this age profiling?

Instead of checking for ID to drink, you get carded to sit in a restaurant?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 23, 2020, 05:24:07 PM
Here....

'Miracle' malaria drug touted by Trump saved me from coronavirus, claim Americans: Infected patients across US say hydroxychloroquine helped them recover


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Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 23, 2020, 05:36:45 PM
I guess I should set up Apple Pay or something like that. So I do not have to give  the worker my credit card.



Many have an online app where you can order and pay so the only contact you will have is whatever they package the food in.

But if they have it when I pay. The other workers might have it also. Lol
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 23, 2020, 05:41:21 PM
I guess I should set up Apple Pay or something like that. So I do not have to give  the worker my credit card.



Many have an online app where you can order and pay so the only contact you will have is whatever they package the food in.

But if they have it when I pay. The other workers might have it also. Lol

Also, I forgot to mention the worker for some reason could not scan my phone for the $1 fries after many times. So then he took my phone and tried to scan it close by and it still did not work. He end up giving me the deal.
(FYI I sanitized my phone after the drive through)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 23, 2020, 05:43:12 PM
Please do not self medicate with drugs purchased at the pet store.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/man-dies-after-ingesting-chloroquine-attempt-prevent-coronavirus-n1167166
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 23, 2020, 05:43:40 PM
We are #3 right now, but soon we will be #1. I am estimating that the cases will 7X our current numbers.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

81,498 China
63,927 Italy
43,847 US
35,136 Spain
29,056 Germany
23,049 Iran
20,123 France
8,961 Korea, South
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: mads on March 23, 2020, 05:45:35 PM
Did anyone catch Trump’s story in the presser about a guy on his deathbed and already said goodbye to his family and was given hydroxychloroquine and now he is better? Is this the story?

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/

Is that fake news? Because while googling for that I found this:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus

Where the man died.

Need to be careful of forsythia panaceas here.
Hydroxychloroquine is the preferred antimalarial and a less toxic analog of Chloroquine phosphate that killed the poor guy.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 23, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
I guess I should set up Apple Pay or something like that. So I do not have to give  the worker my credit card.



Many have an online app where you can order and pay so the only contact you will have is whatever they package the food in.

But if they have it when I pay. The other workers might have it also. Lol

Also, I forgot to mention the worker for some reason could not scan my phone for the $1 fries after many times. So then he took my phone and tried to scan it close by and it still did not work. He end up giving me the deal.
(FYI I sanitized my phone after the drive through)

Do not worry. I do not have the Rona.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on March 23, 2020, 06:06:05 PM
We are #3 right now, but soon we will be #1. I am estimating that the cases will 7X our current numbers.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

81,498 China
63,927 Italy
43,847 US
35,136 Spain
29,056 Germany
23,049 Iran
20,123 France
8,961 Korea, South

I bet the numbers that are infected in the US are 10-20x what is reported because of the lack of testing.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 23, 2020, 06:07:52 PM
New York numbers are rising.

We are #3 right now, but soon we will be #1. I am estimating that the cases will 7X our current numbers.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

81,498 China
63,927 Italy
43,847 US
35,136 Spain
29,056 Germany
23,049 Iran
20,123 France
8,961 Korea, South
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 23, 2020, 06:22:24 PM

This is what I was talking about that we don’t necessarily have to build temp hospitals, we can use existing unused infrastructure.

The big problem is supplies, equipment and personnel.

I think that supplies and equipment will be lesser of a problem than personnel. I work in medical device industry and my company is busier than ever making devices as the orders are pouring in. I am sure other device companies have stepped up their Mfg. as well.

As for Personnel, may be all those people that are losing jobs can be employed in health care industry on a temp basis offering all sorts of services that do not require nursing and medical licence. Thus, freeing up time existing certified HCPs to do critical functions.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 23, 2020, 06:52:26 PM
Some common sense.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/coronavirus-trump-says-businesses-could-reopen-soon-while-fighting-covid.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 23, 2020, 07:03:13 PM
This was written from a Korean pastor in New York. I think the problem with us Americans is that we are too independent and do not submit to authority like the South Koreans. Californians should not be heading to the beach during times like this. In Korea, grocery stores will not let you in without a mask on. I told you guys to buy the masks, couple of you guys made a joke out of it. This is nothing to joke about. If you look at the doctors in Korea, they look like astronauts. Have you seen how much protection the American doctors have compared to the Koreans? Martin.. in times like these, you and I should be grateful that we are real estate agents and not doctors.

"I was just informed by my wife that her coworker's cousin, who was only 41 years old and lived in NY, just died an hour ago from the coronavirus. He went to the hospital on March 14th, and was sent home. When he returned back to the hospital on March 17th, he developed pneumonia and eventually went into kidney failure and died today.

Please don't think that this only affects the elderly. This virus has no bias against age, gender, race, status, or religion. Please be cautious and stay at home. Praying for all those working on the frontlines during this time!"
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: momopi on March 23, 2020, 07:34:56 PM
We have more young people getting infected in the US because they insist on going to beaches, parties, hiking trails, etc.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR_p0Ma3YpvZyVQXS8wsZg4G22Ztg2YS47erD5s8O8morBToqgu)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 23, 2020, 07:40:03 PM

This is what I was talking about that we don’t necessarily have to build temp hospitals, we can use existing unused infrastructure.

The big problem is supplies, equipment and personnel.

I think that supplies and equipment will be lesser of a problem than personnel. I work in medical device industry and my company is busier than ever making devices as the orders are pouring in. I am sure other device companies have stepped up their Mfg. as well.

As for Personnel, may be all those people that are losing jobs can be employed in health care industry on a temp basis offering all sorts of services that do not require nursing and medical licence. Thus, freeing up time existing certified HCPs to do critical functions.

Talking about people being creative during these times and using resources in the best possible way,  I think the above makes a lot of sense to me.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 23, 2020, 09:35:31 PM
I guess I should set up Apple Pay or something like that. So I do not have to give  the worker my credit card.



Many have an online app where you can order and pay so the only contact you will have is whatever they package the food in.

But if they have it when I pay. The other workers might have it also. Lol

Also, I forgot to mention the worker for some reason could not scan my phone for the $1 fries after many times. So then he took my phone and tried to scan it close by and it still did not work. He end up giving me the deal.
(FYI I sanitized my phone after the drive through)

If you’re referring to the McDs app, you can order, use the coupons/deals and pay all in the app. So all you have to do is pick up the food. No giving them your credit card or phone, just tell them your order number.

#qwertystyle
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: iacrenter on March 23, 2020, 10:37:19 PM

This is what I was talking about that we don’t necessarily have to build temp hospitals, we can use existing unused infrastructure.

The big problem is supplies, equipment and personnel.

I think that supplies and equipment will be lesser of a problem than personnel. I work in medical device industry and my company is busier than ever making devices as the orders are pouring in. I am sure other device companies have stepped up their Mfg. as well.

As for Personnel, may be all those people that are losing jobs can be employed in health care industry on a temp basis offering all sorts of services that do not require nursing and medical licence. Thus, freeing up time existing certified HCPs to do critical functions.

Talking about people being creative during these times and using resources in the best possible way,  I think the above makes a lot of sense to me.

I believe California is looking to bring out of state and retired health care workers into the work pool. Hospitals are also looking to supplement their hardest hit departments (i.e. ICU, ER, etc...) with other specialists as back up for patient surges.

If you are non medical, there are still ways to help:
1) Please donate any extra PPE (personal protective equipment... i.e. n95 masks etc...) to you local hospital
2) Consider donating blood (there is a national shortage)
3) Please follow the public health guidelines and stay home
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 24, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
LA County decrees that gun stores are "not essential" so they must close to comply with Wuhan Virus restrictions. Just to make sure gun stores get the message, sheriff deputies will fan out to gun stores across the county to make sure all gun stores are closed.

https://abc7.com/6045568/

The fact that so many people are flocking to gun stores lately would seem to me that gun stores are essential at times like this. But what do I know.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 24, 2020, 12:49:09 PM
I think that supplies and equipment will be lesser of a problem than personnel. I work in medical device industry and my company is busier than ever making devices as the orders are pouring in. I am sure other device companies have stepped up their Mfg. as well.

But all the news says the ventilators are the most needed and complicated to make. I don't think it's possible to ramp up these devices as quickly as they are needed.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 24, 2020, 01:38:25 PM
We Americans need to learn from the South Koreans.

This is how South Korea flattened its coronavirus curve. Check out the video guys.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve-n1167376?fbclid=IwAR3sbtfd-W3Hz0WNjlDdAOnfr8oao64HcXzx48CiTGZn0bRjhd9VfwTlwbQ
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 24, 2020, 01:40:39 PM
We Americans need to learn from the South Koreans.

This is how South Korea flattened its coronavirus curve. Check out the video guys.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve-n1167376?fbclid=IwAR3sbtfd-W3Hz0WNjlDdAOnfr8oao64HcXzx48CiTGZn0bRjhd9VfwTlwbQ

Not only we short supplies and not testing enough like Korean do, our President is going against expert medical advice and will reopen for business.

Maybe if we all infected then there is no need to worry about testing. Is that what he thinking?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 24, 2020, 01:54:50 PM
We Americans need to learn from the South Koreans.

This is how South Korea flattened its coronavirus curve. Check out the video guys.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve-n1167376?fbclid=IwAR3sbtfd-W3Hz0WNjlDdAOnfr8oao64HcXzx48CiTGZn0bRjhd9VfwTlwbQ

Not only we short supplies and not testing enough like Korean do, our President is going against expert medical advice and will reopen for business.

Maybe if we all infected then there is no need to worry about testing. Is that what he thinking?
Here Immunity??
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 24, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
We Americans need to learn from the South Koreans.

This is how South Korea flattened its coronavirus curve. Check out the video guys.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve-n1167376?fbclid=IwAR3sbtfd-W3Hz0WNjlDdAOnfr8oao64HcXzx48CiTGZn0bRjhd9VfwTlwbQ

Not only we short supplies and not testing enough like Korean do, our President is going against expert medical advice and will reopen for business.

Maybe if we all infected then there is no need to worry about testing. Is that what he thinking?

I guess he’s counting on the cure medicine also. Many businesses being closed down is also something you have to worry about. Protecting both elders’ (and everyone’s) health and businesses’ prosperity are important. It’s almost you have to pick one and loose the other.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 24, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
We Americans need to learn from the South Koreans.

This is how South Korea flattened its coronavirus curve. Check out the video guys.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve-n1167376?fbclid=IwAR3sbtfd-W3Hz0WNjlDdAOnfr8oao64HcXzx48CiTGZn0bRjhd9VfwTlwbQ

I heard about this on the radio. As I've said before, logistics/scale/population/culture/etc make it difficult to use the same tactics in every country.

This reminds me of a scene in World War Z where the CIA guy was telling Brad Pitt how North Korea stopped the zombies from spreading... they pulled the teeth of every single citizen in North Korea in a span of 24-48 hours.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: daedalus on March 24, 2020, 03:21:23 PM
A sobering stat:  A week ago to day there were fewer than 1000 cases in the US.  Today there are over 50000.  50x growth in 2 weeks.  I'm sure we can all do the math. 

We will very soon see if our lockdowns are having an effect if we focus on state data.  Overall #s will be driven by spreading in places where this is just a hoax.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 24, 2020, 03:28:28 PM
Here is a great real time link on the corona virus cases for you guys to see. U.S. will soon surpass Italy.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 24, 2020, 03:29:54 PM
I think if you treat every state like its own country with its own numbers and curve, that will be a good comparison to Europe. Although we have less control over our state borders than Euro countries.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 24, 2020, 03:35:06 PM
IHO, California is the 5th economic power of the world. With a population of 40M, California is like its own nation like South Korea and Italy with Governor Gavin Newsom as President.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 24, 2020, 03:40:57 PM
A child under 18 has died from the coronavirus in California, Los Angeles County health officials announced Tuesday.

"Tragically, one of the people who died was a person under the age of 18, a devastating reminder that COVID-19 infects people of all ages," Dr. Barbara Ferrer, director of the County of Los Angeles Public Health Department, said at a news briefing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/los-angeles-health-officials-say-a-child-under-18-has-died-from-the-coronavirus.html

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 24, 2020, 03:59:03 PM
I just heard this on KFI640 about an Oxford study that tempers the Imperial College study that put us all in lockdown:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/904584/new-oxford-study-suggests-millions-people-may-have-already-built-coronavirus-immunity
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kings on March 24, 2020, 04:09:10 PM
I just heard this on KFI640 about an Oxford study that tempers the Imperial College study that put us all in lockdown:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/904584/new-oxford-study-suggests-millions-people-may-have-already-built-coronavirus-immunity

the reality is that many, many more people have been infected and recovered, but will not ever be tested, so the mortality rate being peddled is going to be sensationalized because it's "so much higher than any other flu" despite not knowing the true number of folks that have been infected.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 24, 2020, 04:11:03 PM
A child under 18 has died from the coronavirus in California, Los Angeles County health officials announced Tuesday.

"Tragically, one of the people who died was a person under the age of 18, a devastating reminder that COVID-19 infects people of all ages," Dr. Barbara Ferrer, director of the County of Los Angeles Public Health Department, said at a news briefing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/los-angeles-health-officials-say-a-child-under-18-has-died-from-the-coronavirus.html

@Mety - the virus does not just effect old people
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 24, 2020, 04:27:49 PM
A child under 18 has died from the coronavirus in California, Los Angeles County health officials announced Tuesday.

"Tragically, one of the people who died was a person under the age of 18, a devastating reminder that COVID-19 infects people of all ages," Dr. Barbara Ferrer, director of the County of Los Angeles Public Health Department, said at a news briefing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/los-angeles-health-officials-say-a-child-under-18-has-died-from-the-coronavirus.html

@Mety - the virus does not just effect old people

We all know. Your point is?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 24, 2020, 04:39:45 PM
A child under 18 has died from the coronavirus in California, Los Angeles County health officials announced Tuesday.

"Tragically, one of the people who died was a person under the age of 18, a devastating reminder that COVID-19 infects people of all ages," Dr. Barbara Ferrer, director of the County of Los Angeles Public Health Department, said at a news briefing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/los-angeles-health-officials-say-a-child-under-18-has-died-from-the-coronavirus.html

@Mety - the virus does not just effect old people

We all know. Your point is?

That you said it effects only the elderly.
We need to get serious about this.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 24, 2020, 04:44:01 PM
A child under 18 has died from the coronavirus in California, Los Angeles County health officials announced Tuesday.

"Tragically, one of the people who died was a person under the age of 18, a devastating reminder that COVID-19 infects people of all ages," Dr. Barbara Ferrer, director of the County of Los Angeles Public Health Department, said at a news briefing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/los-angeles-health-officials-say-a-child-under-18-has-died-from-the-coronavirus.html

@Mety - the virus does not just effect old people

We all know. Your point is?

That you said it effects only the elderly.
We need to get serious about this.

We need to get serious about not getting confused.

I don't think anyone here ever said it only affects elders. We all said, including you, Covid-19 is "more lethal" to elders. That DOES NOT mean it doesn't effect young people. It's just less likely. Please don't practice what those fake news medias do on us. Fake news medias take only a portion of what someone said and make it as if that's the only thing that person said. Please look at the WHOLE context.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: aquabliss on March 24, 2020, 04:46:06 PM
Also saw the mom of this 25yr old interviewed on FoxNews and she said he was completely healthy, had no history of asthma or any medical complications.  Guess he could have something she wasn't aware of, but sad none the less.  He's still alive but put into a medically induced coma:
https://www.pix11.com/news/coronavirus/25-year-old-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey-airlifted-university-of-pennsylvania-for-clinical-trial-remdesivir

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 24, 2020, 05:02:58 PM
A child under 18 has died from the coronavirus in California, Los Angeles County health officials announced Tuesday.

"Tragically, one of the people who died was a person under the age of 18, a devastating reminder that COVID-19 infects people of all ages," Dr. Barbara Ferrer, director of the County of Los Angeles Public Health Department, said at a news briefing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/los-angeles-health-officials-say-a-child-under-18-has-died-from-the-coronavirus.html

@Mety - the virus does not just effect old people

We all know. Your point is?

That you said it effects only the elderly.
We need to get serious about this.

We need to get serious about not getting confused.

I don't think anyone here ever said it only affects elders. We all said, including you, Covid-19 is "more lethal" to elders. That DOES NOT mean it doesn't effect young people. It's just less likely. Please don't practice what those fake news medias do on us. Fake news medias take only a portion of what someone said and make it as if that's the only thing that person said. Please look at the WHOLE context.

Haha. The fake media exposed this virus, the fake media exposed Wells Fargo scandal (people were getting charge fees for accounts they did not know they have) Blame it on the media.

You are lucky to live in America where there is freedom of press. Some places edits/control the media like China.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 24, 2020, 05:05:20 PM
According to Mety. We should not take precaution.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 24, 2020, 05:13:03 PM
FAKE NEWS. eyephone, I hope you're not serious.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 24, 2020, 05:16:41 PM
FAKE NEWS. eyephone, I hope you're not serious.

I am looking out for everybody best health.
Do not be Judas and turn your back on others.
Be a disciple of Jesus and help one another.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 24, 2020, 05:29:36 PM
Stock market popped today. I am giddy abt it. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 24, 2020, 05:50:32 PM
I know I have been a bit of an alarmist on the topic so far, but I'd welcome any contradictory argument with valid data and I am open to being persuaded to a brighter outlook.

As of now, we have 706 deaths over 53740 confirmed cases. Which is a 1.3% mortality ratio. What if, we have only 10% coverage on testing and another 90% (~500k) souls are just carrying Corona (virus, they can drink any beer they like) and partying on the beaches? Never tested, never counted, not showing any symptoms. The mortality rate drops 10x.

What if we have only 5% coverage on testing. The situation becomes even less dire and starts to look more like flu.

We already know that we have done a crappy job with testing. We just don't know how crappy.

In light of our capitalist greed mentality and presidential buffoonery, it is not too hard to imagine that we have 5% or less testing coverage.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 24, 2020, 06:59:30 PM
I know I have been a bit of an alarmist on the topic so far, but I'd welcome any contradictory argument with valid data and I am open to being persuaded to a brighter outlook.

As of now, we have 706 deaths over 53740 confirmed cases. Which is a 1.3% mortality ratio. What if, we have only 10% coverage on testing and another 90% (~500k) souls are just carrying Corona (virus, they can drink any beer they like) and partying on the beaches? Never tested, never counted, not showing any symptoms. The mortality rate drops 10x.

What if we have only 5% coverage on testing. The situation becomes even less dire and starts to look more like flu.

We already know that we have done a crappy job with testing. We just don't know how crappy.

In light of our capitalist greed mentality and presidential buffoonery, it is not too hard to imagine that we have 5% or less testing coverage.

The only real way we were going to prevent complete economic devastation was suppressing and containing the virus, by doing tracing, testing, and quarantine.

So, I don’t think you are being an alarmist.

TI, especially without fortune and Irvinecommuter, leans heavily Rebublican/conservative/pro-trump.

On TI, I don’t see much of any criticism of Trump missing the crucial window of opportunity to suppress and contain, when we had low number of COVID-19 case.

Instead, we are arguing and debating whether to sacrifice grandma for the Dow.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 24, 2020, 07:02:07 PM
I know I have been a bit of an alarmist on the topic so far, but I'd welcome any contradictory argument with valid data and I am open to being persuaded to a brighter outlook.

As of now, we have 706 deaths over 53740 confirmed cases. Which is a 1.3% mortality ratio. What if, we have only 10% coverage on testing and another 90% (~500k) souls are just carrying Corona (virus, they can drink any beer they like) and partying on the beaches? Never tested, never counted, not showing any symptoms. The mortality rate drops 10x.

What if we have only 5% coverage on testing. The situation becomes even less dire and starts to look more like flu.

We already know that we have done a crappy job with testing. We just don't know how crappy.

In light of our capitalist greed mentality and presidential buffoonery, it is not too hard to imagine that we have 5% or less testing coverage.

The only real way we were going to prevent complete economic devastation was suppressing and containing the virus, by doing tracing, testing, and quarantine.

So, I don%u2019t think you are being an alarmist.

TI, especially without fortune and Irvinecommuter, leans heavily Rebublican/conservative/pro-trump.

On TI, I don%u2019t see much of any criticism of Trump missing the crucial window of opportunity to suppress and contain, when we had low number of COVID-19 case.

Instead, we are arguing and debating whether to sacrifice grandma for the Dow.

I brought up that Trump axed/significantly reduced the funding for the CDC.
They can have 20 members that are conservatives but I punk them all day everyday. They like to run and hide.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 24, 2020, 07:36:44 PM
Way to go Los Angeles!

LA Purchases 20K Coronavirus Test Kits From South Korean Company

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/24/la-purchases-20k-coronavirus-test-kits-from-south-korean-company/?fbclid=IwAR2ozSzqhUWJ30qI9wAcG7K_4c1gnxMmPi5XeJpD8oY13-7PVp0h26sScU8
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 24, 2020, 07:43:44 PM
Bill Gates predicted this in 2015. Do you think that businesses will open again... or do you trust Bill Gates?   Copy the two urls together below to watch Bill Gates

http://www.youtube.com                                     /watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI&t=4s
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 24, 2020, 07:45:32 PM
not Sure why any discussion around Coronavirus eventually gets politicized. It’s obvious that you don’t cripple life as we know it to save for a virus with the same death rate as the flu. The 1.2% death rate is based on testing levels that are not representative of reality. The only way we avoid a complete economic collapse is by not quarantining people and getting back to work. We should have never quarantined people anyway. 

People in the US have been getting sick since at least December. The healthcare system is getting overwhelmed because idiots just want to know if they have the virus or not and go to the ER. Who cares about the test. It doesn’t change your outcome.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: bones on March 24, 2020, 08:14:52 PM
not Sure why any discussion around Coronavirus eventually gets politicized. It’s obvious that you don’t cripple life as we know it to save for a virus with the same death rate as the flu. The 1.2% death rate is based on testing levels that are not representative of reality. The only way we avoid a complete economic collapse is by not quarantining people and getting back to work. We should have never quarantined people anyway. 

People in the US have been getting sick since at least December. The healthcare system is getting overwhelmed because idiots just want to know if they have the virus or not and go to the ER. Who cares about the test. It doesn’t change your outcome.



That last paragraph is simply not true.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 24, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
Yes!

Coronavirus response: Trump requests supplies from South Korea
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-response-trump-requests-supplies-from-south-korea.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 24, 2020, 08:56:05 PM
I know I have been a bit of an alarmist on the topic so far, but I'd welcome any contradictory argument with valid data and I am open to being persuaded to a brighter outlook.

As of now, we have 706 deaths over 53740 confirmed cases. Which is a 1.3% mortality ratio. What if, we have only 10% coverage on testing and another 90% (~500k) souls are just carrying Corona (virus, they can drink any beer they like) and partying on the beaches? Never tested, never counted, not showing any symptoms. The mortality rate drops 10x.

What if we have only 5% coverage on testing. The situation becomes even less dire and starts to look more like flu.

We already know that we have done a crappy job with testing. We just don't know how crappy.

In light of our capitalist greed mentality and presidential buffoonery, it is not too hard to imagine that we have 5% or less testing coverage.

The only real way we were going to prevent complete economic devastation was suppressing and containing the virus, by doing tracing, testing, and quarantine.

So, I don’t think you are being an alarmist.

TI, especially without fortune and Irvinecommuter, leans heavily Rebublican/conservative/pro-trump.

On TI, I don’t see much of any criticism of Trump missing the crucial window of opportunity to suppress and contain, when we had low number of COVID-19 case.


Instead, we are arguing and debating whether to sacrifice grandma for the Dow.

Because, media and news outlet already done a good job pointing out his mis-steps. He is not in synch with medical experts over the coronavirus crisis and if he ultimately put out the order for lifting restrictions for back to normal, which won't be normal, and outbreak counts and death push up much higher, it will make him doom even more. But hey, shit already hit the fan, let it fling it around a bit faster with the blades run at full speed.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 24, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
"The IUSD Board of Education and Superintendent Walker have extended the closure of IUSD schools through Friday, May 1."

https://iusd.org/covid-19-resource-page
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 24, 2020, 10:26:27 PM
=IF(Numbers are still out of control AND DJT lifts lockdown, cornflakes pull out of the stock market and go 100% cash).

If I am wrong and miss out on 20% rally in the month following, Fine.
If his decision is half-assed like any other decisions in past three years, at least I will not lose a shirt.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Maserson on March 24, 2020, 10:31:40 PM
Seeing the #'s out of Italy and Spain, I'd rather quarantine now instead of later.  They're using an ice rink as a morgue.  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52014023
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 24, 2020, 10:55:50 PM
I cringe when I watch Trump speak about coronavirus.

Must be his coronisma. :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 24, 2020, 10:56:26 PM
Because, media and news outlet already done a good job pointing out his mis-steps. He is not in synch with medical experts over the coronavirus crisis and if he ultimately put out the order for lifting restrictions for back to normal, which won't be normal, and outbreak counts and death push up much higher, it will make him doom even more. But hey, shit already hit the fan, let it fling it around a bit faster with the blades run at full speed.

I honestly question that. If the media is doing such a good job covering his mis-steps, why did the latest ABC poll show 55% approval? (% of Americans think Trump is doing a great job handling coronavirus)

I think it’s evident that we are watching completely different media. No disrespect to Qwerty ,but I agree with Bones. That last paragraph is simply not true.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 24, 2020, 11:40:13 PM
FAKE NEWS. eyephone, I hope you're not serious.

I am looking out for everybody best health.
Do not be Judas and turn your back on others.
Be a disciple of Jesus and help one another.

Sorry for calling you fake news. I think I’m totally off today.

Anyways, I believe this coronavirus is a very serious matter and we all should be cautious. I’ve been saying that regardless of having different opinions of how we should handle it.

I hope and pray you become a more intimate disciple of Jesus Christ every day.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 24, 2020, 11:55:18 PM
Because, media and news outlet already done a good job pointing out his mis-steps. He is not in synch with medical experts over the coronavirus crisis and if he ultimately put out the order for lifting restrictions for back to normal, which won't be normal, and outbreak counts and death push up much higher, it will make him doom even more. But hey, shit already hit the fan, let it fling it around a bit faster with the blades run at full speed.

I honestly question that. If the media is doing such a good job covering his mis-steps, why did the latest ABC poll show 55% approval? (% of Americans think Trump is doing a great job handling coronavirus)

I think it’s evident that we are watching completely different media. No disrespect to Qwerty ,but I agree with Bones. That last paragraph is simply not true.



Its even better than that.....

Public Approval of President Trump's Handling of the Coronavirus

RCP Average
3/4 - 3/22.   --      49.0.   45.7.  +3.3
Gallup
3/13 - 3/22    1020 A   60.  38   +22
ABC News/Ipsos
3/18 - 3/19      512 A.   55  43   +12
Emerson
3/18 - 3/19.    1100 RV.  49.   41. +8
Axios-Harris.
3/17 - 3/18.     2019 A.   56.   44. +12

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_president_trumps_handling_of_the_coronavirus-7088.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_president_trumps_handling_of_the_coronavirus-7088.html)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 25, 2020, 04:07:15 AM
Me lately:



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 25, 2020, 04:27:06 AM
Wow! What do you guys think about this?

L.A. County releases 1,700 inmates from jail early to prevent coronavirus outbreak behind bars – Daily Bulletin
https://www.dailynews.com/l-a-county-releases-1700-inmates-from-jail-early-to-prevent-coronavirus-outbreak-behind-bars
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 25, 2020, 06:32:31 AM

Next to be stockpiled:  Vitamin C?

“Early and sufficiently large doses of intravenous vitamin C are critical. Vitamin C is not only a prototypical antioxidant, but also involved in virus killing and prevention of viral replication. The significance of large dose intravenous vitamin C is not just at antiviral level. It is acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) that kills most people from coronaviral pandemics (SARS, MERS and now NCP). ARDS is a common final pathway leading to death."

https://www.globalresearch.ca/three-intravenous-vitamin-c-research-studies-approved-treating-covid-19/5705405

New York hospitals treating coronavirus patients with vitamin c:

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/new-york-hospitals-treating-coronavirus-patients-with-vitamin-c/


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: PSForever on March 25, 2020, 06:35:36 AM
...

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 07:11:40 AM
Wow! What do you guys think about this?

L.A. County releases 1,700 inmates from jail early to prevent coronavirus outbreak behind bars – Daily Bulletin
https://www.dailynews.com/l-a-county-releases-1700-inmates-from-jail-early-to-prevent-coronavirus-outbreak-behind-bars

Louisiana governor says his state has the fastest growth rate of coronavirus cases in the world

Within a week, Louisiana has gone from reporting fewer than 100 cases to more than 1,000 as of Monday night.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/us/louisiana-coronavirus-fastest-growth/index.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 07:15:09 AM
I think the numbers will be higher if tests were widely available.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: qwerty on March 25, 2020, 07:20:07 AM
From CNBC for New York City  :

Coronavirus cases total 15,597, 48% of those cases are people under 45, or about 7,486.

Total deaths of 192. 3% of deaths are people under 45, or about 6 deaths.

45 and under age group: 7486 cases, 6 deaths = death rate of 0.08%

Let’s get back to work! :-)

Aquas plan of keeping those over 60 at home and everyone else back to work is looking pretty good. This data seems to support that.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 07:26:59 AM
We are losing and not winning. We need more kit tests available and the President needs to issue the authority to force companies to make supplies we need like in WW2.

What is he waiting for?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2020, 07:36:28 AM

CNBC article: Investor Bill Ackman urged President Donald Trump and corporate America in an impassioned plea on CNBC to shut down the country for 30 days to contain the fast-spreading coronavirus, calling it the only option to rescue the economy.

"What's scaring the American people and corporate America now is the gradual rollout," Ackman told Scott Wapner on "Halftime Report" on Wednesday. "We need to shut it down now. ... This is the only answer."

"America will end as we know it. I'm sorry to say so, unless we take this option," he said. Ackman added that if Trump saves the country from the coronavirus, he will get reelected in November.

Ackman urged U.S. companies to stop their buyback programs because "hell is coming." The biggest U.S. banks have already halted repurchasing stocks to put their capital to use helping consumers and businesses.


"The hotel industry and the restaurant industry will go bankrupt first, Boeing is on the brink, Boeing will not survive without a government bailout," Ackman said. "Capitalism does not work in an 18-month shutdown, capitalism can work in a 30-day shutdown."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/bill-ackman-pleads-to-trump-to-increase-closures-to-save-the-economy-shut-it-down-now.html

You realize Ackman is a short investor? He makes money when stocks go down. >:D

What I tell ya...said something lame, was short, dropped the markets, made a quick $2 billion then went long...played like a fiddle....

Bill Ackman exits market hedges, uses $2 billion he made to buy more stocks including Hilton

Pershing completed the exit from its hedges on March 23 and generated $2.6 billion compared with premiums paid and commissions totaling $27 million.
Ackman said he used the influx of cash to add to Pershing’s existing investments in Agilent, Berkshire Hathaway, Hilton, Lowe’s and Restaurant Brands.
The fund also purchased “several new investments including reestablishing our investment in Starbucks,” which it had closed in January.



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/bill-ackman-exits-market-hedges-uses-2-billion-he-made-to-buy-more-stocks-including-hilton.html? (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/bill-ackman-exits-market-hedges-uses-2-billion-he-made-to-buy-more-stocks-including-hilton.html?)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 07:42:08 AM
It looks like South Korea is winning against the virus. These are the steps they are doing.
1. They are enforcing the social distancing
2. Masks are widely available in S Korea. (You can buy it at a connivence or pharmacy store)
3. S. Korea is using technology to see if people have a high temperature.
4. S. Korea tracks the patient under quarantine by Cell phone or credit card.  Then alerts people in the area.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 07:57:29 AM
We are losing and not winning. We need more kit tests available and the President needs to issue the authority to force companies to make supplies we need like in WW2.

What is he waiting for?

My prediction. As soon as the Voters for ____ gets hit hard. The President will take action.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: lnc on March 25, 2020, 08:25:11 AM
It looks like South Korea is winning against the virus. These are the steps they are doing.
1. They are enforcing the social distancing
2. Masks are widely available in S Korea. (You can buy it at a connivence or pharmacy store)
3. S. Korea is using technology to see if people have a high temperature.
4. S. Korea tracks the patient under quarantine by Cell phone or credit card.  Then alerts people in the area.

Agree and one more thing to add, S. Korea is testing every potential infections.

S. Korea is running over 10,000 test a day.  Comparing their population to their testing numbers, that’s equivalent of us running 100,000 test a day and we are far from it.  We just get over 60k test per day in the last two days. 
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 25, 2020, 08:46:40 AM
We are losing and not winning. We need more kit tests available and the President needs to issue the authority to force companies to make supplies we need like in WW2.

What is he waiting for?

My prediction. As soon as the Voters for ____ gets hit hard. The President will take action.

I think that is what he is doing precisely, by touting to reopen soon. His voters are already hard hit either by losing paychecks or seeing their asset portfolios slashed 30-40%.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 25, 2020, 09:06:20 AM
Wow! What do you guys think about this?

L.A. County releases 1,700 inmates from jail early to prevent coronavirus outbreak behind bars – Daily Bulletin
https://www.dailynews.com/l-a-county-releases-1700-inmates-from-jail-early-to-prevent-coronavirus-outbreak-behind-bars

Very bad. There were jobs and gigs work before this crash and high unemployment. Without jobs and without shelters and free on the streets, expect crimes to rise and looting from these actions.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2020, 10:14:03 AM
I predict, in the very near future it will become quite fashionable to get the coronavirus. >:D

Tom Hanks Says He Has Coronavirus


The actor said he and his wife, Rita Wilson, had tested positive while in Australia, where he is set to begin production on a film.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html)

Anyone who’s anyone has got Corona...embrace the rapture!!

Idris Elba urges fans not to 'freak out' as he confirms he has tested positive for coronavirus COVID-19... but is yet to discover if wife Sabrina has also contracted the virus


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8118243/Idris-Elba-confirmed-tested-positive-coronavirus-says-feels-ok.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8118243/Idris-Elba-confirmed-tested-positive-coronavirus-says-feels-ok.html)
 
Game of Thrones star Kristofer Hivju reveals he has tested positive for the coronavirus


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8119105/Game-Thrones-star-Kristofer-Hivju-reveals-tested-positive-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8119105/Game-Thrones-star-Kristofer-Hivju-reveals-tested-positive-coronavirus.html)

You are just not down with the movement if you don't have the Corona...All SJW's have it, Prince Charles is on board too...

Greta Thunberg says it’s ‘extremely likely’ she has coronavirus

Greta Thunberg said Tuesday it’s “extremely likely” that she became infected with COVID-19 on a recent jaunt to Europe — but has “basically recovered.”

The 17-year-old Swedish climate activist said both she and her father, who accompanied her on the Brussels leg of her journey, have experienced symptoms associated with coronavirus.

“I was feeling tired, had shivers, a sore throat and coughed. My dad experienced the same symptoms, but much more intense and with a fever,” she wrote on Instagram.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/greta-thunberg-says-its-extremely-likely-she-has-coronavirus/ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/greta-thunberg-says-its-extremely-likely-she-has-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 25, 2020, 10:54:00 AM
….which makes this fraud and attention hound a "super-spreader" of the virus. Does anyone care? Not really as the bigger message is how great air quality is while people shelter in place.

This again is why you don't accept global guidance from a teenager.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 25, 2020, 11:04:51 AM
Wow! What do you guys think about this?

L.A. County releases 1,700 inmates from jail early to prevent coronavirus outbreak behind bars – Daily Bulletin
https://www.dailynews.com/l-a-county-releases-1700-inmates-from-jail-early-to-prevent-coronavirus-outbreak-behind-bars

Very bad. There were jobs and gigs work before this crash and high unemployment. Without jobs and without shelters and free on the streets, expect crimes to rise and looting from these actions.

Let's not forget that yesterday LA county released criminals AND closed gun stores. The Libs are using the Wuhan Virus as an excuse to undemocratically accomplish their agenda.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 25, 2020, 11:41:33 AM
Let's not forget that yesterday LA county released criminals AND closed gun stores. The Libs are using the Wuhan Virus as an excuse to undemocratically accomplish their agenda.

No they did not actually close gun stores.  The sheriff has a legitimate point too.

If we are going to debate whether to sacrifice grandparents for economic gains, we should absolutely debate if gun stores should be considered essential function.

Stop with the fake news. This is why we are where we are. We don't even agree on basic facts anymore.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 25, 2020, 11:45:03 AM


If we are going to debate whether to sacrifice grandparents for economic gains, we should absolutely debate if gun stores should be considered essential function.



But there was no debate, they just did it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 25, 2020, 11:47:18 AM
But there was no debate, they just did it.

No, they did not close gun stores. That's a fact. Facts don't care about your feelings.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 25, 2020, 11:52:18 AM
But there was no debate, they just did it.

No, they did not close gun stores. That's a fact. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Call the Sheriff (213) 229-1700 and see if gun stores can be open in LA County.

Individuals, organizations, businesses, and governments are doing some crazy shit these days "because of the coronavirus" and no one is is questioning anything, much less debating it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 25, 2020, 11:58:12 AM
The entire nation of India 1.3 Billion people 21 day lock down.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52024239
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 25, 2020, 11:58:25 AM
Call the Sheriff (213) 229-1700 and see if gun stores can be open in LA County.

Individuals, organizations, businesses, and governments are doing some crazy shit these days "because of the coronavirus" and no one is is questioning anything, much less debating it.

So more conspiracy theory. seriouly?

Sheriff decides not to close L.A. gun stores amid virus

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-25/sheriff-suspends-efforts-to-close-l-a-gun-stores-amid-coronavirus-restrictions
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2020, 12:02:23 PM
The entire nation of India 1.3 Billion people 21 day lock down.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52024239


Again seems a bit much...606 cases with 10 dead...I think that's less than got eaten by tigers there last year. >:D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 25, 2020, 12:06:43 PM
Call the Sheriff (213) 229-1700 and see if gun stores can be open in LA County.

Individuals, organizations, businesses, and governments are doing some crazy shit these days "because of the coronavirus" and no one is is questioning anything, much less debating it.

So more conspiracy theory. seriouly?

Sheriff decides not to close L.A. gun stores amid virus

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-25/sheriff-suspends-efforts-to-close-l-a-gun-stores-amid-coronavirus-restrictions

Ok, I wasn't aware the Sheriff backed down but my point stands: the decision of what is "essential" or not, decisions which affect the livelihoods of millions, are decided unilaterally by bureaucrats and politicians because democracy does not matter "because of the coronavirus."

Sheriff decides to close gun stores, County Counsel tells him not to close gun stores. No public input in either decision.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 25, 2020, 12:13:18 PM
MoreKaos,
Imagine locking down 1.3B people 21 days for 606 cases. Indians listen to authority..  while we Americans are still in Disneyland.

The entire nation of India 1.3 Billion people 21 day lock down.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52024239


Again seems a bit much...606 cases with 10 dead...I think that's less than got eaten by tigers there last year. >:D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Panda on March 25, 2020, 12:13:53 PM
US Cases now exceed 6X South Korea

81,661 China
74,386 Italy
61,167 US
47,610 Spain
37,066 Germany
27,017 Iran
22,654 France
10,897 Switzerland
9,137 Korea, South
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2020, 12:23:58 PM
Death rates...that is all that matters..838.  In California...42.  If those don't skyrocket past 10000-15000 soon all hell is gonna break lose.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 25, 2020, 12:50:30 PM
LOL  :D

MoreKaos,
Imagine locking down 1.3B people 21 days for 606 cases. Indians listen to authority..  while we Americans are still in Disneyland.

The entire nation of India 1.3 Billion people 21 day lock down.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52024239


Again seems a bit much...606 cases with 10 dead...I think that's less than got eaten by tigers there last year. >:D
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 12:51:07 PM
But there was no debate, they just did it.

No, they did not close gun stores. That's a fact. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Call the Sheriff (213) 229-1700 and see if gun stores can be open in LA County.

Individuals, organizations, businesses, and governments are doing some crazy shit these days "because of the coronavirus" and no one is is questioning anything, much less debating it.

Right now we are at war with the virus. We need supplies and Trump is not doing enough. (We need ventilators, medical supplies, and of course toilet paper)
The stimulus will be nothing if our Health care system collapse. (I hope it does not)

Let’s face it we were unprepared for this. But we can do better by fixing it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 25, 2020, 12:57:18 PM
Are lockdowns effective?

Italy is day 12 since the lockdown. By the weekend, we better start seeing the death rate dropping in Italy. They say 14 days after social distancing, you actually see the effect.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2020, 01:00:50 PM
But there was no debate, they just did it.

No, they did not close gun stores. That's a fact. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Call the Sheriff (213) 229-1700 and see if gun stores can be open in LA County.

Individuals, organizations, businesses, and governments are doing some crazy shit these days "because of the coronavirus" and no one is is questioning anything, much less debating it.

Right now we are at war with the virus. We need supplies and Trump is not doing enough. (We need ventilators, medical supplies, and of course toilet paper)
The stimulus will be nothing if our Health care system collapse. (I hope it does not)

Let’s face it we were unprepared for this. But we can do better by fixing it.


Not according to Johns Hopkins...we are one of the most prepared...

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHCHS) --

https://www.ghsindex.org/country/united-states/ (https://www.ghsindex.org/country/united-states/)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 25, 2020, 01:08:47 PM
US Cases now exceed 6X South Korea

81,661 China
74,386 Italy
61,167 US
47,610 Spain
37,066 Germany
27,017 Iran
22,654 France
10,897 Switzerland
9,137 Korea, South

I'm not sure what your point is here.

South Korea has 60x cases than Orange County.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 01:22:11 PM
This is why I will not respond to the guy who compares civics to Ferrari. He is out of touch with reality.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2020, 01:23:44 PM
Then don’t...I didn’t say it, Johns Hopkins did.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2020, 01:31:42 PM
MoreKaos,
Imagine locking down 1.3B people 21 days for 606 cases. Indians listen to authority..  while we Americans are still in Disneyland.

The entire nation of India 1.3 Billion people 21 day lock down.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52024239


Again seems a bit much...606 cases with 10 dead...I think that's less than got eaten by tigers there last year. >:D

That’s my point...to lock down 1.3 billion people for the sake of ten really does make no sense. 50 people really do get eaten by tigers....should they kill them all then?...just to be sure?  A 0 tolerance risk world just cannot exist.


https://youtu.be/aCbfMkh940Q (https://youtu.be/aCbfMkh940Q)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Happiness on March 25, 2020, 01:38:13 PM

Individuals, organizations, businesses, and governments are doing some crazy shit these days "because of the coronavirus" and no one is is questioning anything, much less debating it.

Bill Cosby wants to be released from prison "because of the coronavirus":

https://variety.com/2020/biz/news/bill-cosby-coronavirus-release-1203544810/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 01:40:01 PM

Individuals, organizations, businesses, and governments are doing some crazy shit these days "because of the coronavirus" and no one is is questioning anything, much less debating it.

Bill Cosby wants to be released from prison "because of the coronavirus":

https://variety.com/2020/biz/news/bill-cosby-coronavirus-release-1203544810/

Little happy: who really cares? you complain about gun stores, but why don’t you complain about the lack of medical supplies
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 25, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Panda, we're also 6x the population, almost 7x than South Korea. Our laws, society, and lifestyles are part of many other factors make the two death rates an invalid comparison.

How they stamped down the curve is another discussion altogether when viewed not on a numerical basis but percentage wise. We don't yet have a full picture - SK being about 3-4 weeks in time ahead of the US on the scale of this outbreak. May I suggest we wait and see how the numbers shake out in the 2nd week of April before comparing death rates.

My .02c
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 01:40:58 PM
We are losing big time and the people are complaining about Bill Cosby.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 01:42:03 PM
Panda, we're also 6x the population, almost 7x than South Korea. Our laws, society, and lifestyles are part of many other factors make the two death rates an invalid comparison.

How they stamped down the curve is another discussion altogether when viewed not on a numerical basis but percentage wise. We don't yet have a full picture - SK being about 3-4 weeks in time ahead of the US on the scale of this outbreak. May I suggest we wait and see how the numbers shake out in the 2nd week of April before comparing death rates.

My .02c

If we wait and see. It will be too late.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Kenkoko on March 25, 2020, 01:44:53 PM
That’s my point...to lock down 1.3 billion people for the sake of ten really does make no sense. 50 people really do get eaten by tigers....should they kill them all then?...just to be sure?  A 0 tolerance risk world just cannot exist.

If tigers will kill 1% of their population, which is 13 million for India, they very damn well should kill them all.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 01:58:29 PM
Panda, we're also 6x the population, almost 7x than South Korea. Our laws, society, and lifestyles are part of many other factors make the two death rates an invalid comparison.

How they stamped down the curve is another discussion altogether when viewed not on a numerical basis but percentage wise. We don't yet have a full picture - SK being about 3-4 weeks in time ahead of the US on the scale of this outbreak. May I suggest we wait and see how the numbers shake out in the 2nd week of April before comparing death rates.

My .02c

If we wait and see. It will be too late.

First they compared it to the flu, now they say wait and see.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Cornflakes on March 25, 2020, 02:01:53 PM
Let's throw away the cases as each country is different in what they count and how many tests conducted etc. Let's base the deaths per million of the population. Death is a Death - more reliable count. Let's also assume that these top countries (except China) is reporting the deaths with high accuracy and there is no cove up.

If so, we'd be looking at 5 to 40k deaths before we even start plateauing. And, we are reaching that number before 4/4/20 for sure. Many of these countries, and us, are just warming up. A tsunami is yet to come.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 02:07:04 PM
Seeing the #'s out of Italy and Spain, I'd rather quarantine now instead of later.  They're using an ice rink as a morgue.  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52014023

Caronavirus deaths in Spain overtakes China.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 25, 2020, 02:18:08 PM
That post belongs in my Coronavirus Math thread.

So, not calling this a flu, but it's the only virus we can compare it to:

Flu deaths by year (from CDC): https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
2017-18: 61,000
2018-19: 34,157

So is that right? A low of 5000 to a high of 41000 deaths but not above the average of deaths from flu.

Again, not to minimize this, we still need to socially distance... I think the question is how long do we do this? Won't this 14-day incubation just keep rolling?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 02:26:34 PM
That post belongs in my Coronavirus Math thread.

So, not calling this a flu, but it's the only virus we can compare it to:

Flu deaths by year (from CDC): https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
2017-18: 61,000
2018-19: 34,157

So is that right? A low of 5000 to a high of 41000 deaths but not above the average of deaths from flu.

Again, not to minimize this, we still need to socially distance... I think the question is how long do we do this? Won't this 14-day incubation just keep rolling?

You are not comparing correctly. I will use the same analogy I used with Mety.
Bites by animal. Do you compare a dog bite to a shark/lion/bear bite?

We all know statistically that there are not reported dog bites. But if you get bitten by a lion the outcome is most likely different. You might ask how can I get bitten by a lion? If you go hiking or camping.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Mety on March 25, 2020, 02:33:42 PM
But is Covid-19 really a shark/lion/bear while flu is a dog?

I would say putting AIDS in a shark category is fairer comparison.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2020, 02:40:05 PM
No country has exceeded 7000 death including China who has 3 times our population...this will not exceed that here...mark my words.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 02:42:58 PM
But is Covid-19 really a shark/lion/bear while flu is a dog?

I would say putting AIDS in a shark category is fairer comparison.

Yes it is.
FYI: your response changed from last time.
Moving the goal post?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2020, 02:45:59 PM
NBC Article: NYU to Graduate Medical Students Early in Battle Against Coronavirus

NYU said Wednesday its medical school will let medical students graduate early, pending approval by the state Department of Education and other regulatory bodies.

"In response to the growing spread of COVID-19, and in response to Governor Cuomo’s directive to get more physicians into the health system more quickly, NYU Grossman School of Medicine and NYU have agreed to permit early graduation for its medical students" pending those approvals, the school said in a statement.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyu-to-graduate-medical-students-early-in-battle-against-coronavirus/2343236/



Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 25, 2020, 02:48:37 PM