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Title: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: daedalus on November 21, 2019, 09:32:47 PM
No thread yet on the Cybertruck?  Maybe it'll look OK in 5 years, after my style senses have had time to recalibrate, but right now this thing sprinted out of the ugly forest and hit every tree on the way out.

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106259839-1574398094841cybertruck-web.jpg?v=1574398141&w=800)
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: aquabliss on November 22, 2019, 01:49:56 AM
That thing is fugly but I think it will sell.  It’s just a shame because they could have done something artistic and masterful with the talent they have but instead they took the drawing of a truck from a kindergarten child and made it reality.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: marmott on November 22, 2019, 05:25:28 AM
Trying to ignore the design for a moment, the specs and pricing are pretty impressive. But it’s more than a year away.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Kings on November 22, 2019, 06:30:30 AM
ugliest thing i've ever seen and the presentation was a dumpster fire LOL
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on November 22, 2019, 07:32:59 AM
Elon must be a fan of Mad Max.

What was cool was the electronic rolling bed cover, the tailgate ramp, the adjustable height, and the 6 person seating.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: marmott on November 22, 2019, 07:55:05 AM
It’s not like Elon didn’t warn us the Cybertruck would look like nothing before.  ;D

I just read that production will start end of 2021, it’s so far off that this unveil really doesn’t matter much.

I’m much more curious about the Mach-e.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Mety on November 22, 2019, 10:23:12 AM
YOU KNOW you'll see it in Irvine soon!
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Mety on November 22, 2019, 10:30:56 AM
Also, only $100 deposit if you want to buy ahead. Fully refundable.

Yeah, this thing will sell like crazy and every other motor company will make their trucks look like that from then.

(Unless the great slow down comes and hits the global market hard by that time.)
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Happiness on November 22, 2019, 10:37:38 AM
The cybertruck appears to have a very small radar cross section. I wonder if it can defeat law enforcement radar guns.

(https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-117-drop2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on November 22, 2019, 01:08:31 PM
Also, only $100 deposit if you want to buy ahead. Fully refundable.

Yeah, this thing will sell like crazy and every other motor company will make their trucks look like that from then.

(Unless the great slow down comes and hits the global market hard by that time.)

Seasonal!!!
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on November 22, 2019, 01:58:04 PM
My 2011 Nissan Murano Crosscabriolet bows low to the new Emperor of the ugliest car built.

That truck looks like Elon ground up a lithium battery,  took to the powder with a $100 bill rolled up, then used MS Paint to draw out his vision of the future.

An interesting read on it:
https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/22/tesla-cybertruck-impressions-ride/

My .02c
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Mety on November 22, 2019, 02:42:51 PM
I thought this was ugly also. I thought it was a joke at first. But more and more I look at it and seeing some test drives on Youtube, I think this is actually where the future of car/truck designs are headed. When you see this in Irvine, you're going to feel like you're in a movie set or something. Those people who swear by F-150 will not get interested in these electric vehicles anyways. But you'll see Ford and GMC will introduce more and more of these futuristic looking trucks. They might start slowly though. The stainless finish is something I can see them copying first.

Also the starting price at $39k is not bad. I would actually think of getting this instead of the model Y if I were to buy a Tesla vehicle.

That glass breaking demo was questionable though. I almost think they've done that on purpose to drive some virals on social media.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: aquabliss on November 22, 2019, 05:52:37 PM
Tesla dipped 6% today after the beasts unveiling.  I bought some out of the money calls for next week in hopes that Tesla announces the number of pre orders on Sun or Mon and wall st takes kindly to it.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: daedalus on November 22, 2019, 09:24:54 PM
I've painfully learned not to bet against Musk.  But after watching the breaking windows clip a few times, I wouldn't bet on him on this one either.

Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Cares on November 23, 2019, 12:08:49 AM
Rumors have it based on some internet sleuths that reservation numbers are huge...who knows though. I put in $100 for it (refundable so who cares).
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: aquabliss on November 23, 2019, 01:21:23 AM
Rumors have it based on some internet sleuths that reservation numbers are huge...who knows though. I put in $100 for it (refundable so who cares).

That’s what I like to hear, fuel those rumors.  Hope Tesla makes some pre order announcement over the weekend.

Bought $352.50 calls for .35, Nov29 exp.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: iacrenter on November 23, 2019, 09:43:35 AM
Impressive price and specs but wow is that truck ugly. At least no one will easily break into the vehicle like the Model 3.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on November 23, 2019, 12:37:49 PM
I think the Y is going to be one of Tesla’s best selling models.

The only EVs in the $40k rangr are the Kia and Hyundai and those are smaller.

Maybe VW’s Crozz ID can compete.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: aquabliss on November 23, 2019, 07:34:19 PM
146k pre-orders as of this morning:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/23/elon-musk-says-tesla-has-received-146000-orders-for-its-cybertruck.html

But ya, probably half will cancel.

It looks a lot better in white:
https://mspoweruser.com/tesla-cybertruck-pre-order-numbers/
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: daedalus on November 25, 2019, 02:29:13 PM
I think half would be quite optimistic.  This is a free option play for anyone who wants to daydream about buying a Tesla and who can scrape together a $100 callable loan.  The bar was higher with the Model 3, at $1000, so I would expect the conversion rate of actual buyers with a 90% smaller deposit would be even lower than it was with the 3. 
I'm sure Tesla loves it when the media claims they have $10B is "pre-orders".  The reality is no contracts have been signed, no revenue generated, and they're 2 years from production (ignoring Elon time).

I am keeping an open mind, but I need to see range predicts when the truck is being used as a truck.  Even with the max range model, can I load the family in it and a bunch of gear and make it to the mountains and back on one charge, factoring in ambient temps and the changes in elevation?   What if I'm pulling a small toy hauler with a couple quads?  Or maybe most buyers don't care about that.  Too many trucks out there being used as grocery getters and this one might be the biggest offender ever made.

All that said, the calls and the logic behind them were a darn good play.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 20, 2020, 08:29:51 AM
Been visiting the Tesla stores in Fashion Island and Mission Viejo mall.

I can fit in a Model 3 but no one other than a kid can sit behind me so it's not really a family with older kids type car.

Not sure if the Y will be much better because same chassis as the 3.

By the time this truck is out, I think there will be better options SUV-wise like the Ford E-Mach and a bunch of other crossover SUVs slated for 20-21 release.

I think price point is the key here... anything $40kish should sell well.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: eyephone on January 20, 2020, 08:46:30 AM
Not getting it the truck. It looks like a tank.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: iacrenter on January 20, 2020, 10:54:08 AM
Been visiting the Tesla stores in Fashion Island and Mission Viejo mall.

I can fit in a Model 3 but no one other than a kid can sit behind me so it's not really a family with older kids type car.

Not sure if the Y will be much better because same chassis as the 3.

By the time this truck is out, I think there will be better options SUV-wise like the Ford E-Mach and a bunch of other crossover SUVs slated for 20-21 release.

I think price point is the key here... anything $40kish should sell well.

Model Y will have more interior room than 3. They managed to fit a 3rd row option on the Y. Just don't expect Model X level of space. 3rd row will be strictly for kids and frenemies.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 20, 2020, 11:37:23 AM
Yeah... not sure how much more room they can fit in the 2nd row with the same 3 base, especially adding a 3rd row.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 09, 2020, 10:38:21 PM
Unless some other maker comes out with an electric truck for sub-$50k, I will highly consider this.

Supposedly Musk announced a production redesign to make it 6" shorter and about a 1" more narrow... so it should fit better in most garages.

Not sure I can wait until 21-22. :(
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Kenkoko on May 10, 2020, 01:42:34 AM
VW Microbus & Cybertruck & BMW i4 are high on my 50k or under EV list.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: bones on May 10, 2020, 08:11:00 AM
VW Microbus & Cybertruck & BMW i4 are high on my 50k or under EV list.

That i4 will be $50k+ right?
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Kenkoko on May 10, 2020, 09:18:26 AM
VW Microbus & Cybertruck & BMW i4 are high on my 50k or under EV list.

That i4 will be $50k+ right?

They haven't officially announced the price. But Car&Driver magazine estimate it'd be about 50k.

2021-2022 will be very competitive for EVs. And with Covid-19 suppressing demand, I think BMW would at least have a trim under 50k.

https://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/i4
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 10, 2020, 11:46:26 AM
I like the VW ID series too... but not sure when they will actually be released. The Crozz is supposed to be 2020 but I doubt it. The bigger Roomzz is more to my liking but the name is bleh.

Looking at Lordstown also but we'll see if that ever comes out.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: marmott on May 10, 2020, 12:14:24 PM
Unless some other maker comes out with an electric truck for sub-$50k, I will highly consider this.

Supposedly Musk announced a production redesign to make it 6" shorter and about a 1" more narrow... so it should fit better in most garages.

Not sure I can wait until 21-22. :(

I'm keeping an eye on Rivian's offering, Covid-19 has slowed down their release plan but I'm hoping we will know more about their truck and SUV by end of the year. https://insideevs.com/reviews/365670/rivian-pickup-truck-price-range-production/

Start price is $69K though and it looks like the base models will come last.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 28, 2020, 02:00:14 PM
Jay Leno test drove the CyberTruck through one of Elon's tunnels:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ZuKkbHdqM&t=308s
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on August 05, 2020, 09:09:21 AM
An odd story:

The Cybertruck's main competitor - Rivian - wants to buy the vacant South Coast Cinema's theater in Laguna Beach, current price $12,000,000 - renovate the historic building, and turn it into a showroom/working theater.

Pretty bold for a company who has sold zero vehicles. Their VC money must be sloshing around with nowhere to go.

https://stunewslaguna.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/14960-planning-commission-to-hear-proposal-080420 (https://stunewslaguna.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/14960-planning-commission-to-hear-proposal-080420)

Thoughts?

My .02c
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on August 05, 2020, 09:18:59 AM
I'd love to see Rivian be successful. Their truck and SUV concepts are amazing and there's always demand for trucks. The price tag is hefty, but the first vehicles should qualify for the federal tax credit. They also have a good sized presence in Irvine (a quick search on their careers site shows nearly 200 open jobs in Irvine).

Assuming that the technology, drive quality, and supercharger network can match Tesla, where they can differentiate is customer service and build quality. If they can nail that from the outset they're a clear competitor.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Kenkoko on August 05, 2020, 10:01:51 AM
I think Rivian has good chance to be successful in the long run mainly because they are well funded. (Now by both Ford and Amazon) EV space is full of startups. And startups mainly die when they run out of money or when talents get poached.

That said, I don’t think the Rivian R1T and R1S would even be competitive with Tesla cybertruck simply because the huge difference in starting price.

R1T starts at 69k, R1S at 73k, and CyberTruck starts at 40k.

The $7500 federal tax credit will help cheaper EVs like VW’s ID compete with Tesla, but probably won’t move the needle much at Rivian’s price range.

Rivian also has less range and only half the payload capacity compared to the Cybertruck.

Rivian’s appeal will be limited. I think most car buyers are value conscious. Tesla is just the better value buy.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 05, 2020, 02:02:57 PM
Yeah... not sure why all these EV trucks are pricing themselves above the CT.

At least the Lordstown is in the $50k and supposedly Fisker is going to come out with a truck... but we will see.

Meanwhile, Tesla continues to get first to market and then competes on price too.

Also, supposedly a smaller CyberTruck is in the plans since the first one couldn't get a size reduction.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: eyephone on August 05, 2020, 02:46:41 PM
Elon Musk Says Tesla Will Build a "Normal" Truck If Cybertruck Fails

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a33498255/elon-musk-tesla-normal-pickup-cybertruck/


Elon Musk Is Rethinking Tesla Cybertruck as Electric Pickup Race Accelerates

https://observer.com/2020/08/tesla-prepares-normal-electric-pickup-cybertruck-fail-elon-musk/
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 08, 2020, 10:54:23 PM
Screw getting a Cybertruck, I rather get one of these bad boys...

Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: morekaos on September 23, 2020, 11:20:25 AM
...and this is why I drive a 1991 Ford Bronco...off the grid... while all the rest of you can't get into your Tesla to escape the Zombie hoards...I will still be running them over.. >:D

Tesla drivers are locked out of their cars after Elon Musk's firm is hit with complete network outage and staff are blocked from processing orders - amid fears of possible HACK
Tesla has been hit by complete network outage starting around 11am ET
Internal systems are down, making it impossible for staff to process orders
On the customer side, some users cannot connect to their car in the app
The US and Europe are experiencing issues with what appears to be the app
The outage follows Tesla's Battery Day that many investors deemed a failure
Elon Musk had promised an innovation to cut prices of electric cars
However, the CEO said it may take another three years before that is possible
Stocks in Tesla Inc fell more than seven percent as markets opened Wednesday

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8764801/Tesla-hit-complete-network-outage-leaving-drivers-unable-connect-cars-using-mobile-app.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8764801/Tesla-hit-complete-network-outage-leaving-drivers-unable-connect-cars-using-mobile-app.html)
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on September 23, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Not when your gas goes bad. :)
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: marmott on September 24, 2020, 09:56:54 AM
Owners couldn't connect to their cars but they were not locked out. The unlocking is through Bluetooth so the network outage didn't affect that.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 15, 2021, 10:40:33 AM
A good look at a likely production model - From Youtube



My money is still on Rivian or Ford's Lightning to conquer the truck market. We'll see....
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: aquabliss on December 15, 2021, 01:43:04 PM
A good look at a likely production model - From Youtube



My money is still on Rivian or Ford's Lightning to conquer the truck market. We'll see....

Guarantee in Irvine we'll see 3x more Cybertrucks vs. Rivians and Fords.  If Tesla can hold the $39.9k starting price for 250mi range, I bet they'll sell a bunch.  Seems like they won't be able to though.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: iacrenter on December 15, 2021, 08:57:59 PM
I want to love this truck but Elon is making it harder. That mega windshield wiper is an eyesore.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: zubs on December 16, 2021, 09:25:50 AM
An odd story:

The Cybertruck's main competitor - Rivian - wants to buy the vacant South Coast Cinema's theater in Laguna Beach, current price $12,000,000 - renovate the historic building, and turn it into a showroom/working theater.

Pretty bold for a company who has sold zero vehicles. Their VC money must be sloshing around with nowhere to go.

https://stunewslaguna.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/14960-planning-commission-to-hear-proposal-080420 (https://stunewslaguna.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/14960-planning-commission-to-hear-proposal-080420)

Thoughts?

My .02c

2much cash no where to spend it.
Might as well turn it into property that will go up with time.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 16, 2021, 04:30:55 PM
The wiper will hopefully be tucked deeper into the window well and not be visible. Reminds me of an early 2000's MBZ windshield wiper design. Theirs came up from the bottom, not out from the side. I like "weird cars" and wish more manufacturers would take more chances with design. The CT will probably more of a head turner than a high volume selling vehicle. We'll see.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: irvinehomeowner on December 16, 2021, 04:43:46 PM
1m reservations... I think it will be a volume sell.

I think all the brands are missing out on an opportunity here... to me, the truck architecture would seem to be the easiest to convert to EV if you don't worry about weight/towing capacity because let's face it... there is a high percentage of people out there who don't use trucks as a truck.

Take your midsize truck, use the below bed space for the batteries... replace the ICE drivetrain with electric motors, don't worry about range because this audience isn't going to be long hauling in a truck and beat everyone to market. All the current truck makers should have a lead for this. Take the Ford Maverick Hybrid, sold out everywhere and asking $5k to $10k over MSRP... the buyers are waiting.
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: AW on December 16, 2021, 05:15:05 PM
Re the wiper, that’s not production per Elon.   It’s gonna be lasers!  Lol

https://www.torquenews.com/11826/elon-musk-hints-laser-windshield-wiper-tesla-cybertruck-confirms-giant-wiper-placeholder/amp
Title: Re: Tesla Cybertruck
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 16, 2021, 05:30:46 PM
Did the truck thing so now waiting for a mass produced E-Type convertible as my mid-life crisis car.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/jaguars-e-type-zero-only-classic-ev-you-will-ever-need
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