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Title: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 24, 2019, 09:16:33 AM
There is an older thread on this:

https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,12152.0.html

Since a hot topic here is solar, I figure it's partly because you either drive or are planning to drive an EV or plug-in.

Based on what I see in Irvine, seems like most people are getting Teslas, and while the Model 3 starting price is closer to option 2 (< $40k), I think most Model 3s that are bought are closer to option 1 (over $50k).

I'm still in the plug-in hybrid camp as I like the option to still be able to drive on T-Rex fuel if I don't have Ben Franklin juice available.

Once my kids are old enough to drive, most likely we will get them a pure EV so they don't have to worry about gas (just like they don't know what a corded phone with a dial is).

For myself, I'm still looking for a bigger plug-in like the Pacifica (plus it's a minivan), but what I've been looking at lately is the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SUV. I really like the Model X but it's actually small for me and over my 99%er budget.

What are you thinking about getting?

(And sorry, no non plug-in hybrids in this thread, has to have a battery or some other fuel source)
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 24, 2019, 09:19:31 AM
I think we will have a mixture for next few years.  We have one electric and one gas SUV.  Next car we get will likely be a lower price plug in EV (Ioniq was intriguing) with the SUV for long trips/back up. 
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: Cares on May 24, 2019, 09:54:50 AM
We have 2x Tesla Model 3s. I'm thinking of selling my Model 3 and trading up to a Model X though. It qualifies for 100% accelerated 1 year depreciation based on tax code. So taking a price of $100,000 and writing it off against my 1099 income then it basically yields me a $70,000 car plus Federal and state EV incentives bringing it down to the low $60s.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: id_rather_be_racing on May 24, 2019, 10:35:01 AM
I've got both a Long Range RWD model 3 and Pacifica Hybrid currently.  They both serve different purposes, but are excellent at what they are built for.

I've also leased a 1st gen Nissan Leaf and Chevy Spark EV in the past.  Both were great to use around town solo driving but that's about it.

I'm planning on picking up a Rivian T1R pickup once final specs are announced, but may pick up a Performance model 3 if the bill to extend EV tax credits has a chance at passing (not likely).

My wife and I were cross-shopping used model Xs with the Pachy, but the Pachy beat the model X in nearly every category we care about (currently).  I picked mine up for 7500 under msrp as it was a leftover 2018 model still sitting on the lot.  After tax incentives/rebates, cost of the car came out to ~$26k, which no used model X could even close to.

I've got quite a few years of EV driving, so I'd be more than happy to talk EVs, PHEVs, or any car for that matter.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 24, 2019, 10:39:14 AM
@idrather:

So how is the PacHy working out for you? I've read they've had recalls and other issues.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: Compressed-Village on May 24, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
Tire of looking at all the Testla. KONA all electric. Range 259.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on May 24, 2019, 11:45:35 AM
We have 2x Tesla Model 3s. I'm thinking of selling my Model 3 and trading up to a Model X though. It qualifies for 100% accelerated 1 year depreciation based on tax code. So taking a price of $100,000 and writing it off against my 1099 income then it basically yields me a $70,000 car plus Federal and state EV incentives bringing it down to the low $60s.

I'm going to do that but with the new Cayenne Coupe.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on May 24, 2019, 11:46:41 AM
Until the auto markers come out with a really long range for the battery, like 400-500 miles, I'm not interested in buying an EV car because I know that I'll forget to charge it and end up stranded.  haha
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: Cares on May 24, 2019, 01:01:12 PM
Until the auto markers come out with a really long range for the battery, like 400-500 miles, I'm not interested in buying an EV car because I know that I'll forget to charge it and end up stranded.  haha

New Long Range Model S hits 370 miles rated. It actually made a trip from Fremont to Hawthorne (358 miles) in a test on a full 370 mile charge and had 11% battery left (40 miles) which technically meant it could go right around 400 miles. We're almost there and I'm certain Tesla will be the first to achieve that range with improved battery packs.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 24, 2019, 01:41:08 PM
Until the auto markers come out with a really long range for the battery, like 400-500 miles, I'm not interested in buying an EV car because I know that I'll forget to charge it and end up stranded.  haha

Or make vehicles with quick change batteries so instead of charging stations, they make swapping stations. :)
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 24, 2019, 01:44:32 PM
Until the auto markers come out with a really long range for the battery, like 400-500 miles, I'm not interested in buying an EV car because I know that I'll forget to charge it and end up stranded.  haha

Or make vehicles with quick change batteries so instead of charging stations, they make swapping stations. :)

Tesla charging stations are pretty fast now.

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Tesla unveiled the third generation of its Supercharger charging stations during a customer event at its Fremont, California headquarters Wednesday evening. The new “V3” Supercharger is capable of charging some of the Model 3 at a rate of 250kW, which Tesla says is fast enough to add 75 miles of range in 5 minutes. Tesla says it will break ground on more V3 Superchargers in April.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/6/18253618/tesla-supercharger-250kw-v3-specs-location
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 24, 2019, 01:50:46 PM
Sure... but you still can't beat the speed of changing batteries... just like a remote controlled car. :)
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: id_rather_be_racing on May 24, 2019, 06:28:52 PM
@idrather:

So how is the PacHy working out for you? I've read they've had recalls and other issues.

I've read up on the forums about all the issues, mainly the parking brake issue.  I've been lucky so far with no issues, but we barely drive.  Time will tell how long it will last. 

Worst case scenario if problems keep occurring, I'll just sell/trade the van as I'm way above water due to the huge discount and the tax credits/rebates. 
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: qwerty on May 24, 2019, 07:10:47 PM
Until the auto markers come out with a really long range for the battery, like 400-500 miles, I'm not interested in buying an EV car because I know that I'll forget to charge it and end up stranded.  haha

Or make vehicles with quick change batteries so instead of charging stations, they make swapping stations. :)

Certain companies use the battery swap for forklifts in their factories
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: eddieuclabruin on May 31, 2019, 06:49:28 AM
I drive a Tesla Model 3 Long-Range and my wife drives a Chevy Bolt EV (rated at 248 miles of range). Between Tesla superchargers and all of the EV chargers scattered throughout the city of Irvine, we've had no problem with range anxiety or a lack of charging stalls.

Going to the spectrum to catch a dinner and movie? Charge for 3 hours while you're there and gain 60 miles worth of range for $3. Going to the gym at the woodbury town center for an hour? Just plug it in while you work out and gain 20 miles of range for $1.

My wife's bolt lease is over in a year and a half, which should be right around the time the Model Y will be coming out so we are considering purchasing one of those and going all Tesla. :)
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: zovall on May 31, 2019, 08:19:29 AM
The Standard Range Model 3 (now $35,400) is an amazing car. We doubled down and it is pretty much the same as our Dual Motor Model 3 which cost ~$20k more.

The Standard Range Model 3 is about $40.5k out the door. After the $3750 tax credit (dropping to $1875 July 1st), the $2500 CVRP rebate (https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng), and the $1000 SoCal Edison rebate (https://evrebates.sce.com/cleanfuel), you are looking at a net cost of $33,250.

We had one of the early LEAFs (leased it) and have had no regrets going electric.

Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 31, 2019, 08:26:43 AM
I'm going to see what those EV Rivian trucks and SUVs look like.

(https://www.autopromag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/New-Rivian-truck-and-SUV.jpg)

Expensive... but it would be nice to go back to a pickup truck and feel young again. :)
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: OCtoSV on June 04, 2019, 06:45:12 PM
We have 2x Tesla Model 3s. I'm thinking of selling my Model 3 and trading up to a Model X though. It qualifies for 100% accelerated 1 year depreciation based on tax code. So taking a price of $100,000 and writing it off against my 1099 income then it basically yields me a $70,000 car plus Federal and state EV incentives bringing it down to the low $60s.

I'm going to do that but with the new Cayenne Coupe.
What are your thoughts on  Cayenne vs Panamera? Both are insane values lightly used.

I've never wanted to spend that much money on a car, but if I do I think it would be tough not to go Tesla. Plus the carpool sticker is only EV so plug in hybrid makes zero sense. I've got a cheap eGolf lease now and once you go electric its tough to go back. I think gas cars will be an anomaly a lot sooner than most people think - IMO a decade. There will be wrenching consolidation as the service revenue-fueled dealership model dries up given the dramatically lower service reqs for EVs. A big problem for brands like Porsche will be Tesla's technology lead - hardware/software, drivetrain, battery design and mfg. This will really show up once the regulatory environment around autonomous driving matures, probably also in a decade.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on June 05, 2019, 12:14:30 AM
We have 2x Tesla Model 3s. I'm thinking of selling my Model 3 and trading up to a Model X though. It qualifies for 100% accelerated 1 year depreciation based on tax code. So taking a price of $100,000 and writing it off against my 1099 income then it basically yields me a $70,000 car plus Federal and state EV incentives bringing it down to the low $60s.

I'm going to do that but with the new Cayenne Coupe.
What are your thoughts on  Cayenne vs Panamera? Both are insane values lightly used.

I've never wanted to spend that much money on a car, but if I do I think it would be tough not to go Tesla. Plus the carpool sticker is only EV so plug in hybrid makes zero sense. I've got a cheap eGolf lease now and once you go electric its tough to go back. I think gas cars will be an anomaly a lot sooner than most people think - IMO a decade. There will be wrenching consolidation as the service revenue-fueled dealership model dries up given the dramatically lower service reqs for EVs. A big problem for brands like Porsche will be Tesla's technology lead - hardware/software, drivetrain, battery design and mfg. This will really show up once the regulatory environment around autonomous driving matures, probably also in a decade.

Never had a Panny, just GT cars and a Macan and regular Cayenne.  I've always lightly optioned my cars because loading up on options is how you take a big hit on depreciation.  I'll sell the Cayenne Coupe in Jan and get a new Macan S and then in 2021 I'll probably sell that and pick up a Macan GTS.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 05, 2019, 06:54:31 AM
Plus the carpool sticker is only EV so plug in hybrid makes zero sense.

I thought you can get that sticker on plug-in hybrids too. I see them on Pacificas and Claritys.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: marmott on June 05, 2019, 07:04:43 AM
You can: https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/eligible-carpool-sticker-list

I think eventually only pure EVs will get them but there is still some time for PHEVs.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 27, 2019, 08:26:09 AM
Anyone looking at the Kia Niro EV or the Hyundai Kona EV? I know they are not Teslas, but Kias and Hyundais are also popular in Irvine.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: Compressed-Village on August 27, 2019, 12:47:48 PM
Anyone looking at the Kia Niro EV or the Hyundai Kona EV? I know they are not Teslas, but Kias and Hyundais are also popular in Irvine.

I think Kona Hyundai and Kia gives the best bangs for your bucks. And those that drives it doesn’t want to looks all alike, maybe.
Title: Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
Post by: momopi on August 27, 2019, 02:35:54 PM

I'm a bit iffy on EV vehicles that tend to have more snooping sensors.  Most new vehicles sold today have black box that records crash information, but many go far beyond that.  GPS and services like "OnStar" are notorious for collecting wide array of information for big data.  Unlike consumer credit and cell phone service providers there are very few laws protecting our privacy in your car.  You might think the GPS is only tracking consumer habits, but consider how location data can be used to identity (infer) your religious and political affiliations -- I see that you dine at Chick-Fil-A, shop at Turners, and visit Triple B Clays on weekend.  Mark that guy with a red flag!

On a more basic (non big data) level, consider if you set your home address on your car's built in GPS and someone steals your car, they might follow the GPS to rob your home.  So instead of using your real home address, set it to the supermarket across the street.

If you think it'd be easy to order a location tracking jammer on ebay, be aware that you'd be breaking Federal law with possible fines and jail time.