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Title: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 15, 2019, 09:33:26 AM
S3XY is complete!

https://www.tesla.com/modely

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-unveils-model-y-suv-041050132.html

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Tesla Inc unveiled its Model Y electric sports utility vehicle on Thursday evening in California, promising a much-awaited crossover that will face competition from European car makers rolling out their own electric rivals.

Chief Executive Elon Musk said the compact SUV, built on the same platform as the Model 3, would first debut in a long-range version with a range of 300 miles (482 km) priced at $47,000.

A standard version, to be available sometime in 2021, would cost $39,000, with a 230-mile range. The vehicles can be configured to include 7 seats for an additional $3,000.

After the event, Tesla's website included a page to "design and order" the more expensive, long range version of the vehicle with rear-wheel drive, available next year. Ordering the car requires a $2,500 refundable deposit.

This is a pretty good price range for an all-electric high-tech SUV. But with many other automakers electrifying their model lines, it's now a race to see who can get their product out there quicker. One thing that Tesla still seems to do better is range, but there are cheaper EVs from Kia/Hyundai that get over 200 miles.

And I still think the PHEV market should be explored more for those who have range anxiety... best of both worlds until pure EVs really come down in price.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 15, 2019, 10:08:48 AM
Agreed...that new Volvo is interesting to me.   They are electrifying their entire fleet.

Volkswagen is coming fast with its electric cars too.   

I now realize why Tesla made such a big impact...there was such a missing segment of the market for all-electric vehicle...the 40 mile golf carts and the psuedo electric cars were not great choices.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cares on March 15, 2019, 11:19:01 AM
My $2500 is in for a Y. My HOV sticker will expire by end of 2021 so I might sell my 3 and upgrade to a Y. I've always been fond of hatchbacks.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 15, 2019, 12:51:43 PM
The Model Y panoramic glass roof seems like a "cooker". Wonder if it will come with some kind of shading mechanism.

I think the Model S can be set up with jump seats and become a 6 seater, can't it?

My .02c
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: aquabliss on March 15, 2019, 02:01:41 PM
Does this look like a model 3 hatchback to anyone else?  How are those 3rd row passengers going to fit in this thing.  Built for kids I guess.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cares on March 15, 2019, 11:31:06 PM
Does this look like a model 3 hatchback to anyone else?  How are those 3rd row passengers going to fit in this thing.  Built for kids I guess.

It precisely is a 3 hatchback. It's leveraging most of the same production line and tech to push out faster.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 14, 2020, 10:28:39 AM
So anyone pre-order?

You can order one now for only $100 down.

First units roll off in March.

I don't know... all this criticism about Tesla but they seem to be doing things right.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: zubs on February 14, 2020, 10:40:35 AM
It's my next big purchase item after solar last year.
But i'm not in a hurry.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Mety on February 14, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
How about wait til they starting leasing Y?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 14, 2020, 11:08:10 AM
Probably won't start leasing until they fulfill pre-orders.

I'm going to wait and see.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on February 14, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
What about Fisker Ocean.

Sharp looking and innovative leasing /finance


Won’t be available until 2021
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: marmott on February 14, 2020, 06:55:20 PM
Tesla is already struggling to service cars, can't imagine how it will be with Fisker.

I'm looking forward reviews of the Mach-e, I hope it's a decent alternative to the Y.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on February 14, 2020, 07:01:07 PM
Tesla is already struggling to service cars, can't imagine how it will be with Fisker.

I'm looking forward reviews of the Mach-e, I hope it's a decent alternative to the Y.

Wait to the market gets flooded with electric cars...
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 19, 2020, 09:06:45 AM
Now that gas are heading lower for a awhile, some states already see below 2 dollars.

Will electric car and Tesla survive? Unless war break out with Iran turn into a full scale war, then maybe oil might spike higher.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 19, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
There are so many more benefits to driving an EV than just the price of gas.

Every EV owner I've spoken to prefer them.

Anyone see an Tesla Ys on the road yet? They are shipping now.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvineboy on March 21, 2020, 07:25:35 PM
The Y with 7 seats looks extremely crammed.  Been trying to find a decently priced used X.  New ones are too expensive.  But I feel like everyone in Irvine has a X.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 21, 2020, 09:18:00 PM
I see more 3s than anything.

I’ll probably get the Y in 2021 if there isn’t anything better.

Still waiting for VW’s all-electric minvan. :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: AW on March 21, 2020, 11:00:09 PM
I think I’d rather get a cybertruck instead of a used X...  really would like a cybervan if they ever make it
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: daedalus on March 21, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
I would rock a performance model something or other, assuming I don't go broke in the upcoming depression.  I would need to clean out some parking spaces first though.   

I was seriously toying with the fantasy of getting a used porsche, then it was like Captain Obvious smacked me in the back of the head.  If I want performance, it's hard to beat a dual motor Tesla.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 22, 2020, 09:22:38 AM
I think I’d rather get a cybertruck instead of a used X...  really would like a cybervan if they ever make it

Y for the wife, Cybertruck for me.

But if there is a Cybervan... I’m down.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Innosint on March 22, 2020, 11:08:26 AM
once money isn't an issue, I"m seriously considering a cyber truck if the no paint, pure metal (or just a clear boat) finish is available)

so I dont' have to worry about paint chip and dings, as my current car is very prong to them .... :P
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Maserson on March 22, 2020, 12:19:16 PM
I do not think the 7 seater Y will be effective. The X 6 or 7 seater is already cramped in the rear 2 seats. 

They should really make a Model V (van). Otherwise get an Arrival and pimp it out.

(https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/crop/1644x925+58+0/resize/800x450!/format/jpg/quality/85/https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2020/01/16164852/arrival-electric-delivery-van.jpg)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 16, 2020, 08:45:36 AM
So does anyone know someone who got their Y?

Maybe I'll just wait until they start leasing it like the 3.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cares on April 16, 2020, 09:58:18 AM
So does anyone know someone who got their Y?

Maybe I'll just wait until they start leasing it like the 3.

I know someone that got one. I want to trade one of my Teslas for a Y because of power lift gate and hatchback. I'm not foolish with my money though so I probably will drive this car into it's death. I drove my last SUV for 15 years before getting my Tesla.

If I had the choice between the 3 and the Y back then I would have got a Y for sure. Maybe when the carpool sticker on one of my cars expires I'll consider trading for it.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Maserson on April 16, 2020, 10:07:36 AM
I saw a Y heading towards Pavilion Park.  I would buy a Y over a 3.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on April 16, 2020, 10:46:24 AM
Wasn't there an article on a bad bumper/trunk design on the Y...if you get into a rear fender bender, the whole trunk/lift gate may need to be replaced/fixed making it more expensive, whereas if the its only the bumper its cheaper to fix.  Does that go into your consideration into buying a Y?  I'm not interested in the Y, but just wondering about others who are considering the Y if this deters them.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 16, 2020, 11:41:17 AM
That's what insurance is for. :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Innosint on April 16, 2020, 11:54:49 AM
Wasn't there an article on a bad bumper/trunk design on the Y...if you get into a rear fender bender, the whole trunk/lift gate may need to be replaced/fixed making it more expensive, whereas if the its only the bumper its cheaper to fix.  Does that go into your consideration into buying a Y?  I'm not interested in the Y, but just wondering about others who are considering the Y if this deters them.

I mean... if it's a rear fender bender.. then the other guy would have to pay for the repair, unless the ass hole is uninsured.

then maybe consider an insurance plan with less premium.

Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on April 16, 2020, 12:10:30 PM
Not if you back into someone out of a parking spot... >:D
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: iacrenter on April 16, 2020, 01:52:56 PM
That's what insurance is for. :)

Isn't insurance for Tesla models more expensive than their luxury ICE counterpart?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 16, 2020, 02:10:13 PM
That's what insurance is for. :)

Isn't insurance for Tesla models more expensive than their luxury ICE counterpart?

Probably. Not a current Tesla owner... maybe one of the TI ballers can answer that. :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kenkoko on April 16, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
That's what insurance is for. :)

Isn't insurance for Tesla models more expensive than their luxury ICE counterpart?

It's more expensive if you look at national average. But it's because of large price discrepancy between different insurance companies.

Tesla also started selling its own insurance last year (currently only available for Californians) at 20%-30% below national market average.

Tesla's new insurance also provides a rate discount on several portions of your overall premium based on your car’s level of autonomous driving capability.

Here's a good article on this subject

https://www.valuepenguin.com/tesla-car-insurance
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cares on April 16, 2020, 09:18:19 PM
That's what insurance is for. :)

Isn't insurance for Tesla models more expensive than their luxury ICE counterpart?

Probably. Not a current Tesla owner... maybe one of the TI ballers can answer that. :)

I'm paying about $2000 annually for 2 Teslas with a good driving record and no points. I don't think it's too bad. Even if ICE luxury cars were cheaper to insure they are way more expensive to maintain and fuel cost.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on April 17, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
taking delivery tmr of a MSM Performance Y!
I've seen a blue one in irvine, haven't seen any MSM yet

i thought i was stuck with getting a 3, then elon got these Y's ready way ahead of schedule  ;D
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on May 06, 2020, 09:45:42 PM
back on topic regarding insurance
i was previously in a basic c300 (maybe $40k)

with covid-19 i was able adjust the miles driven to 5000/year so that helped alot
with the performance model y (almost $70k), my insurance went down about $60 every 6 months so I'll get a credit..
so i think it's a mix of less mileage with maybe good crash tests.. I'm a happy camper  ;D
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on May 09, 2020, 12:43:20 PM
Tweet out by Elon,

Oh, oh, good buy Testla. See you in TX.

@elonmusk
Frankly, this is the final straw. Tesla will now move its HQ and future programs to Texas/Nevada immediately. If we even retain Fremont manufacturing activity at all, it will be dependen on how Tesla is treated in the future. Tesla is the last carmaker left in CA.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: lnc on May 09, 2020, 01:12:46 PM
Tesla is moving out of California!? Do It! Do It! Do It!
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: aquabliss on May 09, 2020, 01:37:02 PM
I wouldn’t mind following them to Plano/Frisco/Prosper.  Weather sucks but people are way nicer and the new neighborhoods are pretty awesome.  The spec homes there (standing inventory) already include lots of good upgrades.  Property tax is high but but no crazy Mello.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: daedalus on May 09, 2020, 04:19:43 PM
It's good to have F-U money.  I think Musk is making a threat and the county will blink.  He has reasons to stay put too.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Happiness on May 09, 2020, 04:36:03 PM
It's good to have F-U money.  I think Musk is making a threat and the county will blink.  He has reasons to stay put too.

I don't think it is a empty threat. Musk has a history of knowingly doing things against his own pecuniary interest to make a point.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: marmott on May 09, 2020, 05:45:03 PM
Without everything that has happened in the last few weeks/months,  having your only factory in Fremont is quite odd. The are having to shuttle workers from central California because most of their factory employees are priced out in the bay: https://www.protocol.com/silicon-valley-tech-shuttles.

I think we are a few years away from them moving manufacturing away from Fremont. Let's not forget that the China factory has just started and I'm not sure they manufacture anything else than the M3. The Berlin factory has not been built yet. Fremont manufactures all 4 Tesla models and for having visited the factory (I highly recommend it) they invested a lot of money in it.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: daedalus on May 09, 2020, 07:00:47 PM
I don't think it is a empty threat. Musk has a history of knowingly doing things against his own pecuniary interest to make a point.

Not saying he wouldn't leave.  There are pros and cons.  He's on the cusp.  If the county walks it back I think he'll stay.  I don't think he wants his business HQs to be too geographically diverse.  He might be toying with the idea of moving everything to TX, but the space vehicle talent is largely in socal, so that's a big consideration. 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on May 10, 2020, 05:25:58 PM
I don't think it is a empty threat. Musk has a history of knowingly doing things against his own pecuniary interest to make a point.

Not saying he wouldn't leave.  There are pros and cons.  He's on the cusp.  If the county walks it back I think he'll stay.  I don't think he wants his business HQs to be too geographically diverse.  He might be toying with the idea of moving everything to TX, but the space vehicle talent is largely in socal, so that's a big consideration.

So does that mean that he has a spot already lined up for his factory either in Nevada or TX? With permits and production line already ramped up and filing out cars and trucks? Or is it another charade because productions of cars not meeting expectations. Moving is not that quick like packing a luggage and jump on an airplane and off you go.

And perhaps the most important thing is, will TSTL stock drop tomorrow because of his tweets?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 10, 2020, 06:03:24 PM
Tesla already has a presence in Nevada with the Gigafactory.

It would not be hard to set up something in Texas.

But I doubt Elon would close Fremont.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: daedalus on May 10, 2020, 07:21:58 PM
He has no problem making cars in tents.  I'm sure more than a few cities/states would roll out the red (green) carpet.  Pity the workers laboring in a tent in the heat and humidity of [insert non-CA name here].
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on May 10, 2020, 10:22:09 PM
The %u201Cheat and the humidity will kill the virus,,,,quickly%u201D said our geniuses fearless leader.

If that doesn%u2019t work quickly, let%u2019s flush Testla employees with Clorox bleach disinfectants, so the productions will not short this quarter and next.

Make Testla Great Again  :) :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cares on May 11, 2020, 10:54:30 AM
What happened to your post formatting? Are you Elon's son?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 27, 2020, 10:57:48 AM
Tesla cuts prices (except for Model Y):

https://www.engadget.com/tesla-cuts-ev-prices-north-america-china-102532751.html
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: marmott on May 27, 2020, 06:57:39 PM
They also removed the free SuperCharger language from Model S & X pages.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on May 27, 2020, 08:40:24 PM
They also removed the free SuperCharger language from Model S & X pages.

How many miles is $5k worth of supercharging...that's the trade off.   
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 27, 2020, 10:13:49 PM
This also helps because the Fed $7500 subsidy is long gone.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: marmott on May 27, 2020, 11:36:23 PM
How many miles is $5k worth of supercharging...that's the trade off.

I did some quick research:
- The charging efficiency of the SuperCharger looks to be around 90% (it takes 100kW to charge the car 90kW).
- Pricing is between $0.32 to $0.36 per kW in Cali (https://electrek.co/2019/01/18/tesla-increases-supercharger-prices/)
- The 2020 Tesla Model S Performance has a 98kWh battery and 348mi range  (Tesla) or 222mi (Car and Driver). https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a30799498/2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-vs-2020-tesla-model-s-performance/

$0.32/kW
With $5k your can buy 15,625kW at $0.32, it takes ~108kW to fully charge the S so 145 full charges.
$5k buys you 50,460mi best case (with Tesla advertised range) or 32,190mi worst case (with Car and Driver tested range).

$0.36/kW
With $5k your can buy 13,889kW at $0.36, it takes ~108kW to fully charge the S so 129 full charges.
$5k buys you 44,892mi best case (with Tesla advertised range) or 28,638mi worst case (with Car and Driver tested range).

Hopefully I didn't make a fool of myself with the math  :o
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: daedalus on May 28, 2020, 01:54:44 AM
Math looks very close.  Units are Kw-H, not Kw.  I don't know what Tesla charges per kw-h, but I know on nights and weekends I pay about 1/2 those rates with SCE.  My wife's work also has chargers that work out to about the same as what I pay at home.  Though, keep in mind this is Level 2 charging (~6-7 kw), not supercharging, so it would take longer to charge.  Then add in another 10% to the miles for the tax you don't have to pay on the $5k price drop.    I see > 100,000 miles at the rates I'm paying.  I might be down with some kind of ludicrousperformance model at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on June 09, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
Tesla Model Y is now eligible for their referral program. 1,000 free super charger miles to the referrer and the person referred.

https://electrek.co/2020/06/09/tesla-adds-model-y-referral-program-weak-demand/

My Model Y should be delivered in the next few weeks. LR AWD, but declined the FSD as $7k seems steep for something I'm unlikely to use much. I was also able to secure a 2.24% interest rate via Tesla Financing (Chase Bank).

PM me if you need a referral  :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 09, 2020, 12:49:22 PM
I just want to ride in one to see how it "fits" before I order one. :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on June 09, 2020, 02:06:31 PM
I heard that some sales centers have a Model Y to test drive. Everything that I've read and seen (on Youtube) say that the car is awesome!
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cares on June 10, 2020, 09:41:22 AM
I just want to ride in one to see how it "fits" before I order one. :)

Just order one. You have 7 days to return for full money back.

Either way I love my Teslas so much I still get joyful getting into my car.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: RibEye on June 11, 2020, 08:53:42 AM
I was also able to secure a 2.24% interest rate via Tesla Financing (Chase Bank).

Sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on June 29, 2020, 04:06:41 PM
I took delivery of my Model Y a few days ago and so far, it has been everything I imagined and more.

The size is ideal for me. With a little one on the way, we needed a car with a lot of trunk space and a roomie cabin. The Model Y's spaciousness is pleasantly surprising. Really good leg room in the back easily fitting a tall adult and the trunk is HUGE. Not to mention extra space in the frunk as well. Design and technology are typical Tesla.

The drawback for Tesla continues to be build quality and customer service. I have 5 issues that need to be fixed at the service center in a couple weeks. Certain panels don't align, there are painted over dust specks in some areas, and the interior cabin wasn't as clean as it should be. Tesla employees aren't the easiest to work with. I had a faulty charging cable which I spent an hour troubleshooting. I called the Costa Mesa location and they said no problem, just bring it in to swap out. I did that and got a different employee who told me that I'm using it wrong. After 10 minutes of testing, he finally swapped it out. At any other car dealership, they swap out a faulty part and apologize. At Tesla, they assume you're dumb unless you can prove your claim.

At the end of the day, the technology, design, comfort, and usability are incredible. That trumps the poor customer service - but they're going to need to fix that as more competitors emerge. They have one on the Costa Mesa sales center floor so if you're interested, you should drop in and check it out. PM me if you need a referral code for 1,000 free super charging miles.

(https://preview.redd.it/u8wo65fh9d751.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a31d125b6adcc9e2e140b81415967305d4f8e652)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: iacrenter on June 29, 2020, 05:41:24 PM
Congrats! Enjoy your new ride.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 29, 2020, 06:33:02 PM
I'm going to the Costa Mesa location to see if I fit... thanks for the post BPIT! :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on June 29, 2020, 07:51:03 PM
I'm going to the Costa Mesa location to see if I fit... thanks for the post BPIT! :)

Nice! I think you'll like it. If you're not in a rush, I'd suggest ordering towards September. That'll be their next big delivery rush (end of Q3) and the build quality should be much better. If they have a lot of standing inventory, they may even do a promo like they're doing for the Model 3 - free supercharging for a year if purchased by 6/30.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 29, 2020, 08:43:10 PM
Yes, I want to wait for better QC... also leasing... can probably wait until 2021... but then that becomes CybrTrk time! :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: zubs on June 30, 2020, 09:45:27 AM
How long did it take between putting down the $100 deposit and receiving the car?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: OCtoSV on July 01, 2020, 10:30:16 AM
I just took delivery of my Model 3 on Monday in Fremont. Got the 1 yr of free supercharging for taking delivery prior to 6/30. For $38K this car is a total steal. Such a great buying experience too, though the syncing between your account, app and car created a 20 minute glitch to fix.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: iacrenter on July 01, 2020, 01:34:16 PM
Congratlations! What color did you get? What's your favorite feature?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 01, 2020, 01:59:49 PM
How long did it take between putting down the $100 deposit and receiving the car?

I put down my deposit ($2,500) on 1/3/2020. They offered me the car back in March, but my lease doesn't expire until July, so I turned it down and delayed. With the end of quarter being their big delivery push, June was the ideal month to take delivery.

@OCtoSV - the free supercharging for a year is an awesome deal! There's a ton of Model 3 inventory - hopefully they'll have that promo again for buyers at the end of Q3.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: daedalus on July 01, 2020, 08:59:38 PM
That's a sweet ride.  Congrats! 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on July 03, 2020, 11:28:03 PM
If I do buy a fully electric car, it'll be a Porsche instead of a Telsa. I have played around with the configurator for a Taycan 4S and my spec is just under $130k. I think Porsche releases a fully electric Cayenne and Macan in the next 3 years or so.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cornflakes on July 03, 2020, 11:41:21 PM
I just took delivery of my Model 3 on Monday in Fremont. Got the 1 yr of free supercharging for taking delivery prior to 6/30. For $38K this car is a total steal. Such a great buying experience too, though the syncing between your account, app and car created a 20 minute glitch to fix.

Congrats and welcome to the club.

For the uninitiated folks here, a year of free supercharging is not a huge $ value at the end of the year. Consider this scenario, if you drove 15k miles in first year and 100% utilized the free supercharging, you'd have consumed 4000-5000 kW. If you had to pay your utility, your cost for this many kW would range from ~$500 (always charged at night) to $2000 (always charged at peak hours).
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2020, 12:48:07 AM
I just took delivery of my Model 3 on Monday in Fremont. Got the 1 yr of free supercharging for taking delivery prior to 6/30. For $38K this car is a total steal. Such a great buying experience too, though the syncing between your account, app and car created a 20 minute glitch to fix.

Good luck with the service and auto body monopoly with Tesla.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: OCtoSV on July 06, 2020, 07:46:26 AM
If I do buy a fully electric car, it'll be a Porsche instead of a Telsa. I have played around with the configurator for a Taycan 4S and my spec is just under $130k. I think Porsche releases a fully electric Cayenne and Macan in the next 3 years or so.
Martin - did you read the WSJ review of the Taycan? I think Dan's summary was "3/5 of a Model S for twice the price". After spending 4 days with a brand new 911 last year and 5 days with my Model 3 you couldn't pay me to swap it for the 911. And only $38K!! Tesla has like a 10 year lead on the legacy ICE automakers in everything - software, drivetrain technology, regen braking, battery - they even make their own silicon. I think Porsche AG will be BK inside of 10 yrs.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 06, 2020, 08:36:04 AM
I'd take a Porsche over a Tesla too.  I think you'll find that those who get a Porsche pay the premium since they like that specific driving experience.  Everyone is different, if you're happy with the Tesla, enjoy your car, no one else will change your opinion since its personal preference.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on July 06, 2020, 09:23:41 AM
Family member ran through a Nissan Leaf (weak, but 1st gen) A Tesla S (sweet) and currently has a Tesla X with some issues. Heard the Y has had "growing pains" when it comes to build quality. Soylent Red is considering the Model S which I'd be ok with given it's had some time to mature as a product line. It's not so much the benefits of an electric vehicle we'd want to keep a sharp eye out on, but build quality.

It's a bit of a contradiction when it comes to quality, but I can't wait for the Electric Ural to be produced:

https://www.imz-ural.com/electric

My .02c
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 06, 2020, 09:39:42 AM
The Model S probably has the least build issues with the X, 3, and Y following. The Y definitely has growing pains. I have some panel alignment and paint imperfections that they need to touch up. Taking it into the service center later this week.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 06, 2020, 09:55:50 AM
I think because they were rushing to get those Ys out to meet quotas. :)

Based on the sales numbers of the 3s... Tesla is going to do really well as I see those cars everywhere. Eventually I think the Y will surpass the 3 as their top seller.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: OCtoSV on July 06, 2020, 10:01:48 AM
I'd take a Porsche over a Tesla too.  I think you'll find that those who get a Porsche pay the premium since they like that specific driving experience.  Everyone is different, if you're happy with the Tesla, enjoy your car, no one else will change your opinion since its personal preference.
I used to think so as well until I had each car for a few days. I have a lot of friends who swear they could never move away from throbbing performance V8s or Porsche engines, but my experience tracks well to this showdown:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/23/58000-tesla-model-3-performance-vs-294250-porsche-911-gt2-rs-guess-who-wins/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/23/58000-tesla-model-3-performance-vs-294250-porsche-911-gt2-rs-guess-who-wins/)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Mety on July 06, 2020, 10:15:45 AM
Model Y looks really good. I see them more on the road now. I can't tell if it's Y or X when I see them drive by quickly. The only way is by looking at the side door handles.

I liked the look of 3 more than S since it looked more modern without the chrome end. Model Y carries exactly the same concept from the 3 which I like better. It might really be the biggest selling Tesla vehicle. (until Cybertruck comes...)

Anyone knows when they would start leasing Model Y?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 06, 2020, 11:41:41 AM
I'd take a Porsche over a Tesla too.  I think you'll find that those who get a Porsche pay the premium since they like that specific driving experience.  Everyone is different, if you're happy with the Tesla, enjoy your car, no one else will change your opinion since its personal preference.
I used to think so as well until I had each car for a few days. I have a lot of friends who swear they could never move away from throbbing performance V8s or Porsche engines, but my experience tracks well to this showdown:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/23/58000-tesla-model-3-performance-vs-294250-porsche-911-gt2-rs-guess-who-wins/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/23/58000-tesla-model-3-performance-vs-294250-porsche-911-gt2-rs-guess-who-wins/)

How would this turn out in the mountains or auto crossing? 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: qwerty on July 06, 2020, 12:56:30 PM
I'd take a Porsche over a Tesla too.  I think you'll find that those who get a Porsche pay the premium since they like that specific driving experience.  Everyone is different, if you're happy with the Tesla, enjoy your car, no one else will change your opinion since its personal preference.
I used to think so as well until I had each car for a few days. I have a lot of friends who swear they could never move away from throbbing performance V8s or Porsche engines, but my experience tracks well to this showdown:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/23/58000-tesla-model-3-performance-vs-294250-porsche-911-gt2-rs-guess-who-wins/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/23/58000-tesla-model-3-performance-vs-294250-porsche-911-gt2-rs-guess-who-wins/)

We are a bmw family. In a couple of years, for my next car I’m thinking of getting the X5M, but this is exactly my fear. That I’ll be at a stoplight and when the light turns green that a damn Tesla will smoke me :-(

An electric car feels like cheating vs an ICE.

It kind a
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 06, 2020, 01:16:12 PM
Check out the EV Cayenne in a few years, maybe USC can finally convert you over to his side.  And then you'd have a EV cheat too.  I was looking at the Taycan, but will wait to see what the EV Macan looks like and the Taycan should have a couple years under its belt if the Macan doesn't do it for me.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 06, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
I'd take a Porsche over a Tesla too.  I think you'll find that those who get a Porsche pay the premium since they like that specific driving experience.  Everyone is different, if you're happy with the Tesla, enjoy your car, no one else will change your opinion since its personal preference.
I used to think so as well until I had each car for a few days. I have a lot of friends who swear they could never move away from throbbing performance V8s or Porsche engines, but my experience tracks well to this showdown:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/23/58000-tesla-model-3-performance-vs-294250-porsche-911-gt2-rs-guess-who-wins/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/23/58000-tesla-model-3-performance-vs-294250-porsche-911-gt2-rs-guess-who-wins/)

We are a bmw family. In a couple of years, for my next car I’m thinking of getting the X5M, but this is exactly my fear. That I’ll be at a stoplight and when the light turns green that a damn Tesla will smoke me :-(

An electric car feels like cheating vs an ICE.

Electric vehicles are prime time.

BMW should will have them in the next few years... they already have a PHEV X5 (terrible all-electric range though).
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: lnc on July 06, 2020, 01:32:53 PM
We are a bmw family. In a couple of years, for my next car I’m thinking of getting the X5M, but this is exactly my fear. That I’ll be at a stoplight and when the light turns green that a damn Tesla will smoke me :-(

An electric car feels like cheating vs an ICE.

It kind a

EV motor are far superior than ICE but there's just something more fun and satisfying with ICE, especial the sound of V8 from X5M when you press on the gas pedal.

Look at this way, would you rather be in bed with a supermodel with no personality or a screaming porn star? :)


Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: qwerty on July 06, 2020, 02:09:50 PM
We are a bmw family. In a couple of years, for my next car I’m thinking of getting the X5M, but this is exactly my fear. That I’ll be at a stoplight and when the light turns green that a damn Tesla will smoke me :-(

An electric car feels like cheating vs an ICE.

It kind a

EV motor are far superior than ICE but there's just something more fun and satisfying with ICE, especial the sound of V8 from X5M when you press on the gas pedal.

Look at this way, would you rather be in bed with a supermodel with no personality or a screaming porn star? :)




Enough said. Now I know who to go to for car advice on TI :-)

Yeah that’s why I don’t think I’ll ever get an EV. Although it’s probably only a matter of time before EVs have an option to create the sound and feel of an ICE. Tesla will sell that option for $10k.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
We are a bmw family. In a couple of years, for my next car I’m thinking of getting the X5M, but this is exactly my fear. That I’ll be at a stoplight and when the light turns green that a damn Tesla will smoke me :-(

An electric car feels like cheating vs an ICE.

It kind a

EV motor are far superior than ICE but there's just something more fun and satisfying with ICE, especial the sound of V8 from X5M when you press on the gas pedal.

Look at this way, would you rather be in bed with a supermodel with no personality or a screaming porn star? :)




Enough said. Now I know who to go to for car advice on TI :-)

Yeah that’s why I don’t think I’ll ever get an EV. Although it’s probably only a matter of time before EVs have an option to create the sound and feel of an ICE. Tesla will sell that option for $10k.

Like the auto pilot feature for Tesla that cost an extra $8k. (There was a discount but that deal is over)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kenkoko on July 06, 2020, 03:23:43 PM

Look at this way, would you rather be in bed with a supermodel with no personality or a screaming porn star? :)

I doubt this analogy is a slam dunk. I am willing to bet a sizable portion of the crowd would opt for the supermodel rather than a pornstar.

Also screaming is overrated  :D
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 06, 2020, 03:58:26 PM
Would you rather marry (buy) a supermodel or a pornstar?

But then again, that's why I lease. :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 06, 2020, 03:59:38 PM
Although it’s probably only a matter of time before EVs have an option to create the sound and feel of an ICE.

Yep:


If you think it, someone will do it.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on July 07, 2020, 10:11:55 PM
Check out the EV Cayenne in a few years, maybe USC can finally convert you over to his side.  And then you'd have a EV cheat too.  I was looking at the Taycan, but will wait to see what the EV Macan looks like and the Taycan should have a couple years under its belt if the Macan doesn't do it for me.

Yeah, I'm waiting for an EV Macan but I won't buy it in the first year of production as there are always bugs that will need to be ironed out. I will keep the last ICE Porsche GT car in my garage when Porsche goes turbo or hybrid with their GT cars.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: OCtoSV on July 08, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
I wonder if we'll see an EV Macan. The problem for Porsche is they will lose boatloads on any EV car they made. I just traded in a 2017 eGolf for my M3 as it was coming up to the end of the lease and VW didn't have another EV. Why? Because they lose huge $$ on every eGolf. Only Tesla has mastered how to eke out a profit with EVs, and that required billions of $$ in Obama green funding (i.e. taxpayer dollars). Unless the German taxpayers are willing to fund a similar endeavor Porsche will slow roll all EV development - they can't afford it.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 08, 2020, 09:19:23 AM
I wonder if we'll see an EV Macan. The problem for Porsche is they will lose boatloads on any EV car they made. I just traded in a 2017 eGolf for my M3 as it was coming up to the end of the lease and VW didn't have another EV. Why? Because they lose huge $$ on every eGolf. Only Tesla has mastered how to eke out a profit with EVs, and that required billions of $$ in Obama green funding (i.e. taxpayer dollars). Unless the German taxpayers are willing to fund a similar endeavor Porsche will slow roll all EV development - they can't afford it.

EV adoption is coming slowly but surely, so at some point most car companies will pivot due to laws, regulations, etc.  If the EV Macan doesn't materialize, I'm still not getting a Tesla. 

As technology moves forward, I'd assume better pricing and efficiency too, there will be economies of scale and what VW learned from their previous EV platforms will help reduce future costs....My 10 yr old 65in plasma costed more than my 82in Samsung, but the Samsung runs way cooler and is brighter.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: woodburyowner on July 08, 2020, 09:44:47 AM
I wonder if we'll see an EV Macan. The problem for Porsche is they will lose boatloads on any EV car they made. I just traded in a 2017 eGolf for my M3 as it was coming up to the end of the lease and VW didn't have another EV. Why? Because they lose huge $$ on every eGolf. Only Tesla has mastered how to eke out a profit with EVs, and that required billions of $$ in Obama green funding (i.e. taxpayer dollars). Unless the German taxpayers are willing to fund a similar endeavor Porsche will slow roll all EV development - they can't afford it.

eGolf was considered a "compliance" model for VW.  State and Federal laws have certain MPG mandates that force car manufacturers to take a hit on certain models so they can still sell higher profit margin (ie. gas guzzler) models in certain states.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on July 08, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
I wonder if we'll see an EV Macan. The problem for Porsche is they will lose boatloads on any EV car they made. I just traded in a 2017 eGolf for my M3 as it was coming up to the end of the lease and VW didn't have another EV. Why? Because they lose huge $$ on every eGolf. Only Tesla has mastered how to eke out a profit with EVs, and that required billions of $$ in Obama green funding (i.e. taxpayer dollars). Unless the German taxpayers are willing to fund a similar endeavor Porsche will slow roll all EV development - they can't afford it.

EV adoption is coming slowly but surely, so at some point most car companies will pivot due to laws, regulations, etc.  If the EV Macan doesn't materialize, I'm still not getting a Tesla. 

As technology moves forward, I'd assume better pricing and efficiency too, there will be economies of scale and what VW learned from their previous EV platforms will help reduce future costs....My 10 yr old 65in plasma costed more than my 82in Samsung, but the Samsung runs way cooler and is brighter.

Yes, I like to have more options for EV. Tesla looking cool at the beginning, and as the years goes by it becoming a boring factor for the X, 3 and even the Y.

2021 and 2022 will bring more bizzaz for EV. By then my lease will end and I will make a decision for EV.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 08, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
VW's ID series looks good... especially this Audi Q4 Fastback based on the ID4 platform:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33222611/audi-q4-sportback-e-tron-concept-revealed/

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/audi-q4-sportback-e-tron-concept-102-1594098462.jpg)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: AW on July 08, 2020, 10:32:35 AM
Would be great if EV's have something bigger, 3 rows, seats more than 5... cyberminivan

I didn't care much for tesla's prior to the 3, but ever since owning one, it's great (just like how I felt about iphone vs android in the beginning, and quite happy with the iphone ever since owning one).
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 08, 2020, 10:36:50 AM
Car makers are announcing competing EV's by the day. Here's another one from Nissan: https://www.yahoo.com/news/nissans-answer-tesla-model-y-213545266.html

The problem is...go-to-market. Many of these are still concept cars and haven't actually hit the market.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 08, 2020, 12:15:47 PM
Would be great if EV's have something bigger, 3 rows, seats more than 5... cyberminivan

I didn't care much for tesla's prior to the 3, but ever since owning one, it's great (just like how I felt about iphone vs android in the beginning, and quite happy with the iphone ever since owning one).

Doesnt the X have a 6 and 7 seater option?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: AW on July 08, 2020, 12:42:00 PM
Would be great if EV's have something bigger, 3 rows, seats more than 5... cyberminivan

I didn't care much for tesla's prior to the 3, but ever since owning one, it's great (just like how I felt about iphone vs android in the beginning, and quite happy with the iphone ever since owning one).

Doesnt the X have a 6 and 7 seater option?
True...  but you won’t be able to fit anything else, bags, luggages, kids stuff etc, because of rear slope line for efficiency, I need something to accommodate more stuff.   
Cybertruck is the closest thing, watch out Irvine, it’ll be the new minivan
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 08, 2020, 01:44:20 PM
I should know this off the top of my head but there are some 3 row SUVs coming out.

Too lazy to Goog.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 11, 2020, 06:02:58 PM
Tesla cuts Model Y price by $3k:

https://www.engadget.com/tesla-model-y-price-drop-215340622.html

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Tesla just gave would-be Model Y buyers an unexpected treat: a sudden price drop. Electrek has discovered that Tesla lowered the cost of a Long Range AWD variant by $3,000 to $49,990 before taxes and incentives.

Nice.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 11, 2020, 06:10:34 PM
There's literally no reason to pre-order. When I pre-ordered, I locked in a price that was $1,500 lower than what it was selling for at time of delivery. So, I felt pretty good about the pre-order. But, they're now selling it for effectively $1,500 less than what I paid as an early adopter. Oh well...
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: zubs on July 13, 2020, 08:54:25 AM
Cars like TVs like Solar systems get cheaper every year.
Whodathunk...

my 2019 solar system could have been bought for $3500 cheaper from tesla in 2020.

Much like 65" tvs are now going for $900 bucks?

One would think with all this money printing shit would get more expensive.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on July 13, 2020, 09:18:41 AM
Checked the Tesla forum on solar reviews, it’s less than stellar, more like down right cursing the support staffs. Cheaper may not always better.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 13, 2020, 12:22:54 PM
I guess for the price drop, Tesla dropped the cheapest Y model they were planning to come out with.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: marmott on July 13, 2020, 01:53:13 PM
Anybody curious about the Ford Mach-e as a Model Y competitor?

My biggest concern getting in right now is how fast EVs keep improving year over year. You don't really get that with ICEs anymore but if I'm going to pay $40K+ on a car I'd like it to be relevant in 2 years. Or maybe I'm looking at the issue the wrong way.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: paperboyNC on July 13, 2020, 01:57:45 PM
One would think with all this money printing shit would get more expensive.

Prices are controlled by supply and demand. Demand for a Model Y / Solar System won't skyrocket because a factory can keep pumping out 100k units / quarter while those that already got a vehicle or Solar are no longer in the market for one.

That's why prices have skyrocketed for housing/land and stocks. There is limited supply and once you buy something it's off the market.

Inflation no longer has much effect on everyday items unless there is a shortage. Inflation hits assets that are expected to go up in value. Also see record prices for rookie trading cards, art, etc.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 13, 2020, 04:13:58 PM
Anybody curious about the Ford Mach-e as a Model Y competitor?

My biggest concern getting in right now is how fast EVs keep improving year over year. You don't really get that with ICEs anymore but if I'm going to pay $40K+ on a car I'd like it to be relevant in 2 years. Or maybe I'm looking at the issue the wrong way.

I seriously considered the Mach-e. I felt Ford had Tesla beat when it comes to customer service and the terms were going to be much better (price, rebate, financing, etc). That said, Tesla is the established market leader and I know the car is going to be reliable for the long-term. I can't say the same for the Mach-e. It may have the same fate as the Chevy Bolt or the Cadillac ELR.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: OCtoSV on July 14, 2020, 08:47:59 AM
Having an engineering background i always use data and metrics to drive large purchasing decisions. I was by no means a Tesla fan, but the more data I gathered it was clear Tesla had a virtual monopoly on the best technology at every step of the supply chain - it's not even close. A good metric to gauge the impact is this ranking of EV "efficiency". You need to go to page 7 to find another production car that approaches the specs of the M3 - aside from other Tesla models. The Taycan and Audi models were near the bottom. The I-Pace is 1500 lbs heavier due to inferior technology (primarily battery).
https://ev-database.org/compare/efficiency-electric-vehicle-most-efficient#sort:path~type~order=.efficiency~number~asc|range-slider-range:prev~next=0~1200|range-slider-acceleration:prev~next=2~23|range-slider-topspeed:prev~next=110~450|range-slider-battery:prev~next=10~200|range-slider-eff:prev~next=100~300|range-slider-fastcharge:prev~next=0~1500|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=9 (https://ev-database.org/compare/efficiency-electric-vehicle-most-efficient#sort:path~type~order=.efficiency~number~asc|range-slider-range:prev~next=0~1200|range-slider-acceleration:prev~next=2~23|range-slider-topspeed:prev~next=110~450|range-slider-battery:prev~next=10~200|range-slider-eff:prev~next=100~300|range-slider-fastcharge:prev~next=0~1500|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=9)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 19, 2020, 01:58:18 PM
Oh it's over now... Tesla now starting to lease Model Y:

https://electrek.co/2020/07/19/tesla-launches-model-y-leases-starts-at-499-per-month/

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Tesla is launching leases for Model Y in order to increase demand for the electric SUV.

Things have been moving fast for Tesla with Model Y.

With Model 3, Tesla didn’t launch leases until August 2019 – 2 years after starting production of the new vehicle.

Looks like I'm going to Costa Mesa. :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on July 19, 2020, 02:47:26 PM
Oh it's over now... Tesla now starting to lease Model Y:

https://electrek.co/2020/07/19/tesla-launches-model-y-leases-starts-at-499-per-month/

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Tesla is launching leases for Model Y in order to increase demand for the electric SUV.

Things have been moving fast for Tesla with Model Y.

With Model 3, Tesla didn’t launch leases until August 2019 – 2 years after starting production of the new vehicle.

Looks like I'm going to Costa Mesa. :)

I can see the justification of leasing a Y when you have a long commute, and gas prices creeping upward. But, if you can work from home, it would not get much use. So a kinda waste.

What is the resale drop in values for the first two years? Anyone crunches the number for Tesla?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 19, 2020, 08:24:56 PM
Average residual after 3 years per KBB is about 52% for Tesla. They hold their value really well.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: paperboyNC on July 19, 2020, 08:41:52 PM
Average residual after 3 years per KBB is about 52% for Tesla. They hold their value really well.

That's actually really bad for a lease because Tesla does not offer any incentives / dealer discount.

I remember leasing a vehicle with 70% residual, 10% dealer discount and 12% manufacturer rebates. Net depreciation: 8%.

Tesla leases are terrible because there is no purchase option. I sold my last lease to Vroom because it was worth a few thousand more than the 58% residual in the lease...
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 19, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
I see leases differently.

I look at how much I'm paying for the vehicle I'm driving. If at the end of the lease, a purchase looks good then I'll consider it, but usually I just re-lease again because the newer models will have more features I like.

I realize most people prefer to buy and then have no more payments, but I like to have the latest and greatest... so I lease.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on July 19, 2020, 11:40:35 PM
I see leases differently.

I look at how much I'm paying for the vehicle I'm driving. If at the end of the lease, a purchase looks good then I'll consider it, but usually I just re-lease again because the newer models will have more features I like.

I realize most people prefer to buy and then have no more payments, but I like to have the latest and greatest... so I lease.

When the residual and/or money factor suck, it makes leasing less favorable.  For example, Porsche has a horrible money factor on their leases so I just end up buying and selling the cars instead of leasing them.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kenkoko on July 19, 2020, 11:57:16 PM
Tesla having 0 fed tax credit hurts especially when leasing.

A competitor like, BMW, usually puts the entire $7500 fed tax credit as cap reduction.

You're leasing approx 45% of the cars value on a 3 year lease.

So for a 50k car, you're paying about 22.5k for the lease.

7.5k tax credit reduces the cost of the lease by 33%. (But only reduces 15% of cost when purchasing)

This makes leasing a Telsa much less appealing.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 20, 2020, 08:02:56 AM
Just so you know, there is no requirement to use the Fed tax credit to reduce the capitalized cost when leasing.

That is why it's usually better to buy than lease for EVs... unless, like Kenkoko said, the leasing company (usually the maker) rolls that savings into the lease.

Since there is no more Fed credit for Tesla, then leasing vs purchase is the same as any non-EV car and then you have to compare the numbers such as residual and money factor.

But then, those things become less important when you compare the cost of leasing comparable cars for the same time period if the intent is not to buy out the lease at the end. You should put as little upfront money into the lease as possible... which I need to look into because so far it looks like $4500 is the lowest you can put in although when I was looking at the X and the 3, you can lower that amount down to $500.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Mety on July 20, 2020, 09:07:27 AM
For $4500 downpayment, isn’t there $2000 refund? I may be wrong, but I think that’s what I saw from their website.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: AW on July 20, 2020, 10:15:13 AM
For $4500 downpayment, isn’t there $2000 refund? I may be wrong, but I think that’s what I saw from their website.
That $2k could be the California rebate which is income limited
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 20, 2020, 10:30:31 AM
Yeah you get a $2k rebate from CA - a check in the mail, not a tax credit. You also get $1k from SoCal Edison.

I would suggest buying a Tesla. The terms that Tesla offers (money factor, down payment, etc) are not favorable at all. After 3 years, you'll still be able to get good value when you sell. Just think of it as a lease.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 20, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
I just don't want to expend that much cash.

Try before I buy. :)

Also, I think they upped the solar referral fee to $400.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 20, 2020, 10:42:32 AM
I just don't want to expend that much cash.

Try before I buy. :)

Also, I think they upped the solar referral fee to $400.

Then rent and try at Turo. ;)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kenkoko on July 20, 2020, 10:54:10 AM
Just so you know, there is no requirement to use the Fed tax credit to reduce the capitalized cost when leasing.

That is why it's usually better to buy than lease for EVs... unless, like Kenkoko said, the leasing company (usually the maker) rolls that savings into the lease.

Since there is no more Fed credit for Tesla, then leasing vs purchase is the same as any non-EV car and then you have to compare the numbers such as residual and money factor.

But then, those things become less important when you compare the cost of leasing comparable cars for the same time period if the intent is not to buy out the lease at the end. You should put as little upfront money into the lease as possible... which I need to look into because so far it looks like $4500 is the lowest you can put in although when I was looking at the X and the 3, you can lower that amount down to $500.

I generally prefer leasing for the same reason you posted earlier. It's just fun to drive a new car every 30 / 36 months.

While I agree it's better to buy a Tesla, it makes a lot of sense to lease an EV like a BMW i3 because of tax credits and incentives. (Full disclosure, we own a model X and are leasing a BMW i3 REX)

BMW has insanely high residuals for their i3s. Not sure if this is on the carmaker or dealer. They had 64% residual for 30 month lease & 58% residual for 36 months lease on I3s. On top of the 7.5k fed tax credit, you can get 2k loyalty credit, 1k holiday / event promo credit.

10.5k tax credit + incentives goes directly to cap reduction. Combine that with high residual value = cheap lease price $235/month for BMW i3 REX (50k MSRP).

Not saying an I3 REX is a better car than model Y or even model 3. But $235/month vs $399/$499 is pretty compelling.

For us the I3 serves as a commuter car so it was a slam dunk.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 20, 2020, 10:55:19 AM
Yeah you get a $2k rebate from CA - a check in the mail, not a tax credit. You also get $1k from SoCal Edison.

And unlike the Fed credit, you can get the CA and SCE rebates whether you lease or buy.

So even if Tesla requires $4500 down to lease, that's really only $1500 with the rebates and then a $499 monthly (before savings). We've paid more for luxury car leases so this is kind of a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 20, 2020, 10:57:29 AM
@Ken:

Is that BMW I3 lease still active? Someone mentioned that before but when I went to look for it, I couldn't find it.

The other problem is the I3 is really small... I've sat in one at a few car shows and it's cramped. Maybe something for my kids some day.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kenkoko on July 20, 2020, 11:05:28 AM
@Ken:

Is that BMW I3 lease still active? Someone mentioned that before but when I went to look for it, I couldn't find it.

The other problem is the I3 is really small... I've sat in one at a few car shows and it's cramped. Maybe something for my kids some day.

7.5k fed tax credit is still there. They run 1k promo incentive every major holiday + a few BMW specific events every year. The 2k loyalty incentive is always available if you are currently leasing a BMW. But it's also available for current BMW owners. ( I think they allow extended family. I got it on my first BMW lease because my father-in law owned one  ;D)

It's really a commuter car. Very comfortable for 2, but that's all.

If they offer similar deal on BMW I4, I'd jump on it when my I3 lease expires.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 20, 2020, 11:12:21 AM
This is a good website for all EV vehicle dealer offers: http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/2016/07/current-lease-offers-for-selected-evs.html

If you're not picky, there are some good offers on there.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Mety on July 20, 2020, 11:23:03 AM
So it comes down to choose one from these for this Model Y.

1. LEASE* - $1500 down (with rebates) and $500/month for 3 years

2. BUY - $1500 down (with rebates) and $700/month for 6 years

The only difference is it's yours with #2.

*You still have to pay the first month's payment + acquisition fee + return fee = about $1600.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 20, 2020, 12:17:55 PM
million dollar question is if they allow lease buy outs on the Y
On the model 3, you can't buy out the lease after the term is due, you have to give it back to tesla (different than most leases)

wonder if they will allow it on the Y
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 20, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
So it comes down to choose one from these for this Model Y.

1. LEASE* - $1500 down (with rebates) and $500/month for 3 years

2. BUY - $1500 down (with rebates) and $700/month for 6 years

The only difference is it's yours with #2.

*You still have to pay the first month's payment + acquisition fee + return fee = about $1600.

Yup this is YF. (the car guru)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cares on July 20, 2020, 03:27:41 PM
I went to the Tesla shop in Mission Viejo yesterday and they have a Y on display. My god it looks nice and I would hands down bought this car over my 3 if it was out back then. I'm running the numbers and contemplating selling my 1.5 year old 3 to buy a Y.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on July 20, 2020, 05:52:10 PM
There is a test drive and service center at Lake Forest Alton / Commerce. Went in today to test drive the Y, ran the number and 59k with two upgrade option.

Hmmmm, now I to see if it better to wait for the cyber truck. Or just buy the Y and have fun with it.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: OCtoSV on July 28, 2020, 08:37:22 AM
The abysmal sales numbers for Jaguar, Porsche and Audi EVs are truly shocking - I had no idea it was so skewed to Tesla market share. How can these legacy luxury automakers survive? My friend leased an I-Pace and Jaguar paid for a home L2 charger to be installed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/business/tesla-electric-car-audi-polestar.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/business/tesla-electric-car-audi-polestar.html)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: hurijo on July 28, 2020, 09:49:55 AM
It's definitely an interesting case study. There are probably so many reasons, but a few of the bigger ones I see:
- Simply better technical specs: range, efficiency, price, charging rate, etc
- Smaller, nimble company w/no conflict of interest: don't have to worry about cannibalizing sales of own brand's gas cars. EV cars are the focus, not the side project.
- Vertical integration: Tesla invests and makes a lot of their own parts, especially the battery. Saves on time and can adjust quicker.
- Brand value: They've developed a fandom just like Apple did. Have a worshiped leader just like Apple (used to). Tesla subreddit has 750k+ members. Next highest BMW has 150k.

Tesla definitely has their faults, but you can't say what they've done is unimpressive. I really see them like Apple in the 2000's. However, I do see other manufacturer's catching up, but it will be a few years.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: zubs on July 28, 2020, 10:00:51 AM
My next car will be electric, and tesla is in the lead.
It's mainly due to battery tech.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: OCtoSV on July 28, 2020, 10:27:24 AM
I've been pushing my M3 SR+ and the handling continues to blow me away. It's more fun than the 911 I was contemplating and obviously much more comfortable, and just as fast.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kings on July 28, 2020, 11:11:44 AM
picked up model y a few weeks ago. coming from bmw and it's much more fun to drive.

referred myself for a tesla solar system so i'll also be getting $400 back on that once it's installed - permitting in process now.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 28, 2020, 11:14:44 AM
Saw my first Tesla Y in Irvine. First I thought it was an X but had the separate rear door handles (no Falcon wing) and had the Gemini wheels.

I really want one now. Just need to figure out how to get rid of my current vehicle. :(
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kings on July 28, 2020, 11:20:12 AM
Saw my first Tesla Y in Irvine. First I thought it was an X but had the separate rear door handles (no Falcon wing) and had the Gemini wheels.

I really want one now. Just need to figure out how to get rid of my current vehicle. :(

vroom and carvana are great options. just enter your details on their website and they come back to you with a price almost instantly. if one comes in higher than the other you can ask them to beat and squeeze a little more out of the sale.  i was able to get out of my bmw lease early because vroom offered me more than my lease buyout.  they cut bmwfs a check to buy the car and i get anything extra.

used car market is hot right now because nobody wants to take public transportation, so good time to get rid of used cars in good shape.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 28, 2020, 11:21:18 AM
picked up model y a few weeks ago. coming from bmw and it's much more fun to drive.

referred myself for a tesla solar system so i'll also be getting $400 back on that once it's installed - permitting in process now.

But electric cars and solar panels are not for Republicans. It goes against the Trump platform. Support dirty coal technologies . ;)

Green jobs and solar technology is a joke according to Trump. I guess this Maga is jumping ship like the rest of middle of America.

Make sure you sport the Covid4life bumper sticker.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kings on July 28, 2020, 12:47:29 PM
picked up model y a few weeks ago. coming from bmw and it's much more fun to drive.

referred myself for a tesla solar system so i'll also be getting $400 back on that once it's installed - permitting in process now.

But electric cars and solar panels are not for Republicans. It goes against the Trump platform. Support dirty coal technologies . ;)

Green jobs and solar technology is a joke according to Trump. I guess this Maga is jumping ship like the rest of middle of America.

Make sure you sport the Covid4life bumper sticker.

it's a good thing life is not black or white  ;)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Mety on July 28, 2020, 01:16:00 PM
Model Y looks really good. I see them more on the road now. I can't tell if it's Y or X when I see them drive by quickly. The only way is by looking at the side door handles.

Saw my first Tesla Y in Irvine. First I thought it was an X but had the separate rear door handles (no Falcon wing) and had the Gemini wheels.

Hey, you're going to be accused of being a burner account of someone called YF/BTB.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 28, 2020, 01:18:58 PM
Model Y looks really good. I see them more on the road now. I can't tell if it's Y or X when I see them drive by quickly. The only way is by looking at the side door handles.

Saw my first Tesla Y in Irvine. First I thought it was an X but had the separate rear door handles (no Falcon wing) and had the Gemini wheels.

Hey, you're going to be accused of being a burner account of someone called YF/BTB.

Stop talking to yourself.

We are both S3XY.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Mety on July 28, 2020, 01:58:25 PM
I personally would choose Cybertruck over Model Y, but I don't think it fits in our garage. You need a proper driveway or 3CWG for that.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 28, 2020, 02:46:04 PM
I personally would choose Cybertruck over Model Y, but I don't think it fits in our garage. You need a proper driveway or 3CWG for that.

Same... but can't wait until 21-22.

By then our other lease will be up, the Y will go to the boss and I'll get the CT. :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 28, 2020, 02:53:04 PM
I personally would choose Cybertruck over Model Y, but I don't think it fits in our garage. You need a proper driveway or 3CWG for that.

Same... but can't wait until 21-22.

By then our other lease will be up, the Y will go to the boss and I'll get the CT. :)

same thought process for me too
Love the performance Y.. might swap into the CT when it comes out

seconded on carvana, wife got out of a bmw lease as well from the buyout
if you have a Y, highly recommend tinting the roof with a ceramic tint, I used llumar irx

comparing it to my old f80 M3, it definitely is faster and turns better, love it
if you see a MSM PUP in irvine, say hello

Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 28, 2020, 03:06:59 PM
I personally would choose Cybertruck over Model Y, but I don't think it fits in our garage. You need a proper driveway or 3CWG for that.

Same... but can't wait until 21-22.

By then our other lease will be up, the Y will go to the boss and I'll get the CT. :)

Plan A So are you going to sign up for solar? Process takes time to get solar.
Plan B Get a Level 2 charger. If or when you get the Tesla.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 28, 2020, 03:09:50 PM
picked up model y a few weeks ago. coming from bmw and it's much more fun to drive.

referred myself for a tesla solar system so i'll also be getting $400 back on that once it's installed - permitting in process now.

But electric cars and solar panels are not for Republicans. It goes against the Trump platform. Support dirty coal technologies . ;)

Green jobs and solar technology is a joke according to Trump. I guess this Maga is jumping ship like the rest of middle of America.

Make sure you sport the Covid4life bumper sticker.

it's a good thing life is not black or white  ;)

Double standard. You bashed the Dems about solar and now you believe in solar.
Jump ship like the rest of America. The ship is sinking yo.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 28, 2020, 03:14:09 PM
For the newbs be careful when you give back your car before your lease ends. I heard stories where people got royally screwed.

You know me I laughed at the stories.

Also, about the miles and condition of the car. But for some reason if you get a new lease, they can negotiate or look pass things. Haha
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cares on July 28, 2020, 03:20:06 PM
Hmm I'm getting offered $39k for my Model 3. I wonder if I should sell and buy the Y. So tempting. Just putting about $20k out of pocket to buy.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: woodburyowner on July 28, 2020, 03:31:25 PM
Hmm I'm getting offered $39k for my Model 3. I wonder if I should sell and buy the Y. So tempting. Just putting about $20k out of pocket to buy.

What was your original purchase price?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 28, 2020, 04:08:52 PM
Hmm I'm getting offered $39k for my Model 3. I wonder if I should sell and buy the Y. So tempting. Just putting about $20k out of pocket to buy.

What was your original purchase price?

model 3's held like 80% of its value.. may be worth to take a look..
I've sat in many 3's before and i have the y now.. i would say the larger cargo space as well as more comfortable rear seat experience would be the reason to upgrade.  As a taller guy, i would feel my knees would be near my chest in a 3, but in a y it's perfect.  Beyond that, the 3 is very similar so may not be worth the hit..But if the end goal is a CT, just wait it out i think... im hoping my Y holds 80% of its value too so i can maybe switch to the CT
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Cares on July 28, 2020, 04:15:48 PM
Hmm I'm getting offered $39k for my Model 3. I wonder if I should sell and buy the Y. So tempting. Just putting about $20k out of pocket to buy.

What was your original purchase price?

Mine was $50k after getting the $10k incentive.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 28, 2020, 04:20:49 PM
I personally would choose Cybertruck over Model Y, but I don't think it fits in our garage. You need a proper driveway or 3CWG for that.

Same... but can't wait until 21-22.

By then our other lease will be up, the Y will go to the boss and I'll get the CT. :)

Plan A So are you going to sign up for solar? Process takes time to get solar.

Yeah... still debating between subscription or purchase.

Quote
Plan B Get a Level 2 charger. If or when you get the Tesla.

Actually, because of remote work, just a normal 110v will work. I can take it to a fast charge place and then just top up at home every day.

Eventually I have to put in probably 2 or 3 L2s but that can wait until I figure out solar (which will happen before 21-22 too :) ).
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kangen.Irvine on July 28, 2020, 04:24:58 PM
Anyone believe the Model Y standard range is gone for good or is Elon just trying to push buyers to the long range version if buyers can’t wait?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 28, 2020, 06:52:54 PM
I personally would choose Cybertruck over Model Y, but I don't think it fits in our garage. You need a proper driveway or 3CWG for that.

Same... but can't wait until 21-22.

By then our other lease will be up, the Y will go to the boss and I'll get the CT. :)

Plan A So are you going to sign up for solar? Process takes time to get solar.

Yeah... still debating between subscription or purchase.

Quote
Plan B Get a Level 2 charger. If or when you get the Tesla.

Actually, because of remote work, just a normal 110v will work. I can take it to a fast charge place and then just top up at home every day.

Eventually I have to put in probably 2 or 3 L2s but that can wait until I figure out solar (which will happen before 21-22 too :) ).

52 hrs to charge 300 miles with 110v approximately
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 28, 2020, 07:10:17 PM
I personally would choose Cybertruck over Model Y, but I don't think it fits in our garage. You need a proper driveway or 3CWG for that.

Same... but can't wait until 21-22.

By then our other lease will be up, the Y will go to the boss and I'll get the CT. :)

Plan A So are you going to sign up for solar? Process takes time to get solar.

Yeah... still debating between subscription or purchase.

Quote
Plan B Get a Level 2 charger. If or when you get the Tesla.

Actually, because of remote work, just a normal 110v will work. I can take it to a fast charge place and then just top up at home every day.

Eventually I have to put in probably 2 or 3 L2s but that can wait until I figure out solar (which will happen before 21-22 too :) ).

52 hrs to charge 300 miles with 110v approximately

just find an electrician to install a nema 14/50
probably around $400 ish, i get around 30 miles/hr...it's perfect .. no need for the actual charger
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: marmott on July 28, 2020, 08:31:48 PM
Anyone believe the Model Y standard range is gone for good or is Elon just trying to push buyers to the long range version if buyers can’t wait?

Talking about range, how is the Y range "in real life" for the few owners on this board?

Genuinely curious as there seems to be a lot of diverging opinions (Tesla self tests, advertised range may be difficult to reach etc..).
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: hurijo on July 28, 2020, 08:37:45 PM
Yeah, those with model Y, what Wh/mi you getting?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 28, 2020, 09:17:14 PM
I get about 280 wh/mile. I drive on "chill" mode, which is plenty fast for me. Range isn't as good on those 90+ degree days as you're running AC more constantly.

I hired an electrician to install a 14-50 outlet, and it was $300.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: paperboyNC on July 28, 2020, 10:01:26 PM
I get about 280 wh/mile. I drive on "chill" mode, which is plenty fast for me. Range isn't as good on those 90+ degree days as you're running AC more constantly.

I hired an electrician to install a 14-50 outlet, and it was $300.

That's a good price. Every electrician is quoting me $1000+. Who did you use?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 28, 2020, 11:01:55 PM
I get about 280 wh/mile. I drive on "chill" mode, which is plenty fast for me. Range isn't as good on those 90+ degree days as you're running AC more constantly.

I hired an electrician to install a 14-50 outlet, and it was $300.

That's a good price. Every electrician is quoting me $1000+. Who did you use?

A guy from the company Irvine Pacific uses for their new construction. He does work on the side. PM me if you need his contact info.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 28, 2020, 11:42:47 PM
I get about 280 wh/mile. I drive on "chill" mode, which is plenty fast for me. Range isn't as good on those 90+ degree days as you're running AC more constantly.

I hired an electrician to install a 14-50 outlet, and it was $300.

Once u tint the roof/windshield the wh/drops significantly. My ac is usually at 1 all day now. Used to be around 330, now down to 280 or less with very brisk driving
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: freedomcm on July 29, 2020, 06:59:43 AM

Anybody thinking about

https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/microbus

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/id-buzz-concept-large-6499-1583429517.jpg?crop=0.909xw:0.772xh;0.0913xw,0.221xh&resize=1200:*)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 29, 2020, 10:00:09 AM

Anybody thinking about

https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/microbus

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/id-buzz-concept-large-6499-1583429517.jpg?crop=0.909xw:0.772xh;0.0913xw,0.221xh&resize=1200:*)

Nissan reveals $40,000 electric SUV: Nissan Ariya to arrive in 2021 (300 miles range)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2020/07/15/nissan-ariya-electric-suv-debut/5430105002/

Idk - the leaf plus design was disappointing.

Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: momopi on July 29, 2020, 10:51:35 AM

I like the VW Mini bus interior and new technologies.  But what we have seen is the prototype and I have concerns about what the final product will look like.  Pricing is also a concern.

If the VW Mini bus is priced at $40,000 (base), it'd be very attractive at only $7000-$8000 over the Honda Odyssey ($33k) and Toyota Sienna ($32K) base models.  The new Sienna minivan lineup is all hybrid and gets 33 mpg, which is quite attractive.

The VW Mini Bus is also a $40k (?) gamble on v1.0 product, versus Honda and Toyota minivans are mature technology.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on July 30, 2020, 10:17:06 AM
Quality of the Y is documented with horrible workmanship.

Can’t expect perfection when working in tarp and amid pandemic.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 30, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
Quality of the Y is documented with horrible workmanship.

Can’t expect perfection when working in tarp and amid pandemic.

Yeah when I got mine in June, I had several fit/finish issues that they had to fix. It has spent 8 days (across two separate visits) at their service centers in Santa Ana and Costa Mesa. There were about 20 items they needed to fix. They've fixed all of them but they created a couple of issues that require adjustment. Mobile service will be at my house tomorrow to tidy things up.

Only crappy thing is they used to give loaners but stopped doing it (for COVID reasons, apparently). Now they issue you a $100/day Uber credit. I elected to use Uber Black...not bad, but would never pay for it out of my own pocket.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kings on July 30, 2020, 11:20:05 AM
Quality of the Y is documented with horrible workmanship.

Can’t expect perfection when working in tarp and amid pandemic.

mine had a few paint chips, extra headliner fabric that needed to be trimmed back, missing clasps in one of the wheel well.

the headlights were also not 100% straight but i decided to forego them trying to fix that because i didn't want to risk them causing more issues.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on July 30, 2020, 11:35:55 AM
They can do a good job on the paint chips. Santa Ana service center is also a collision body shop. They repainted my hood and front fender and did a good job. They left the "T" emblem off...so I need to get that placed back on.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 30, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
So for 40-60k, you need to send the car back to the shop with no loaner within days of receiving it.  And some still have issues they will live with that they don't want the company that made their car to fix since they have no confidence in them...that's a huge compromise.  I never wanted a Tesla, but after reading this if my wife wants one, I'm going to convince her not to. 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on July 30, 2020, 11:58:57 AM
For EV, it’s all about battery and comforts.

The comforts is gone with many of these errors that you can see, what about components that you can’t see.


The battery range is questionable too. I am not going to put 60K on a car that constant in questions.

Guess I just have to have more competition comes online.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: zubs on July 30, 2020, 12:20:08 PM
With all these problems, the Y is still the best game in town.  Who's gonna kick them off the hill?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: id_rather_be_racing on July 30, 2020, 02:51:18 PM
Unfortunately it seems that Tesla's quality control is still not up to par.  Sad because if they can get their QC in check, their cars would be objectively better in many characteristics, but the QC is holding them back.

I took delivery of an early RWD Model 3 in 2018 (which I'm selling now), and the entire rear bumper had to be repainted because the paint matching was obviously off.  Also had some small issues pop up here and there, but these issues PALE in comparison to how comfortable/convenient/safe the car is. 

For those who are worried about range, the worry is real but HEAVILY dependent on your driving style and road conditions.  I've gotten less than 150 miles from a full charge while also getting nearly 330 miles from a full charge (which is more than the advertised range).  It's all about your driving skills and awareness to make the most out out of the battery pack.  On an average drive of 10-15 miles to run errands locally, I don't even use the brake pedal as you can 1-pedal drive a handful of EVs, further improving range.  You can't just learn to drive EVs this way quickly, as it takes time and patience to get a feel for the brake regen, In the end, the payoff is worth it as the cost of ownership has been pretty good so far. 

What the combustion vehicle did to horse & buggies, EVs will do to gas/diesel cars. 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 30, 2020, 03:01:25 PM
There are pictures of a giant outdoor tent(s) at the Fremont facility. (Some news sites speculates that is an assembly line. Idk Also, the rumor to push cars out to meet the output goal. What do you expect regarding the quality?)

Unfortunately it seems that Tesla's quality control is still not up to par.  Sad because if they can get their QC in check, their cars would be objectively better in many characteristics, but the QC is holding them back.

I took delivery of an early RWD Model 3 in 2018 (which I'm selling now), and the entire rear bumper had to be repainted because the paint matching was obviously off.  Also had some small issues pop up here and there, but these issues PALE in comparison to how comfortable/convenient/safe the car is. 

For those who are worried about range, the worry is real but HEAVILY dependent on your driving style and road conditions.  I've gotten less than 150 miles from a full charge while also getting nearly 330 miles from a full charge (which is more than the advertised range).  It's all about your driving skills and awareness to make the most out out of the battery pack.  On an average drive of 10-15 miles to run errands locally, I don't even use the brake pedal as you can 1-pedal drive a handful of EVs, further improving range.  You can't just learn to drive EVs this way quickly, as it takes time and patience to get a feel for the brake regen, In the end, the payoff is worth it as the cost of ownership has been pretty good so far. 

What the combustion vehicle did to horse & buggies, EVs will do to gas/diesel cars.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kings on July 30, 2020, 04:14:53 PM
So for 40-60k, you need to send the car back to the shop with no loaner within days of receiving it.  And some still have issues they will live with that they don't want the company that made their car to fix since they have no confidence in them...that's a huge compromise.  I never wanted a Tesla, but after reading this if my wife wants one, I'm going to convince her not to.

i agree, it's crazy. at first i looked into the audi e-tron, but tesla is the leader in all things ev - nobody even comes close. i've been on the sidelines for a while due to their qc issues, but with their solar pricing dropping so much it just felt like the right time to make the leap.  and despite the qc issues, the car is a amazing to drive and i have no regrets whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on July 30, 2020, 07:39:30 PM
Unfortunately it seems that Tesla's quality control is still not up to par.  Sad because if they can get their QC in check, their cars would be objectively better in many characteristics, but the QC is holding them back.

I took delivery of an early RWD Model 3 in 2018 (which I'm selling now), and the entire rear bumper had to be repainted because the paint matching was obviously off.  Also had some small issues pop up here and there, but these issues PALE in comparison to how comfortable/convenient/safe the car is. 

For those who are worried about range, the worry is real but HEAVILY dependent on your driving style and road conditions.  I've gotten less than 150 miles from a full charge while also getting nearly 330 miles from a full charge (which is more than the advertised range).  It's all about your driving skills and awareness to make the most out out of the battery pack.  On an average drive of 10-15 miles to run errands locally, I don't even use the brake pedal as you can 1-pedal drive a handful of EVs, further improving range.  You can't just learn to drive EVs this way quickly, as it takes time and patience to get a feel for the brake regen, In the end, the payoff is worth it as the cost of ownership has been pretty good so far. 

What the combustion vehicle did to horse & buggies, EVs will do to gas/diesel cars. 

I'll be enjoying my horse & buggy last Porsche GT combustion vehicles until they outlaw driving them.  :P
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: id_rather_be_racing on July 30, 2020, 10:01:01 PM
Unfortunately it seems that Tesla's quality control is still not up to par.  Sad because if they can get their QC in check, their cars would be objectively better in many characteristics, but the QC is holding them back.

I took delivery of an early RWD Model 3 in 2018 (which I'm selling now), and the entire rear bumper had to be repainted because the paint matching was obviously off.  Also had some small issues pop up here and there, but these issues PALE in comparison to how comfortable/convenient/safe the car is. 

For those who are worried about range, the worry is real but HEAVILY dependent on your driving style and road conditions.  I've gotten less than 150 miles from a full charge while also getting nearly 330 miles from a full charge (which is more than the advertised range).  It's all about your driving skills and awareness to make the most out out of the battery pack.  On an average drive of 10-15 miles to run errands locally, I don't even use the brake pedal as you can 1-pedal drive a handful of EVs, further improving range.  You can't just learn to drive EVs this way quickly, as it takes time and patience to get a feel for the brake regen, In the end, the payoff is worth it as the cost of ownership has been pretty good so far. 

What the combustion vehicle did to horse & buggies, EVs will do to gas/diesel cars. 

I'll be enjoying my horse & buggy last Porsche GT combustion vehicles until they outlaw driving them.  :P

Haha, you know damn well I will too!  :P  I'll always need in a manual lightweight NA in my life  8)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 31, 2020, 05:36:11 AM
So I get Tesla has the greatest EV range...is anyone driving 250+ miles per day these days?  If your answer is yes, the Tesla is for you, but if you're averaging 50-100 miles / day do you need a 300 mile range car?  I think a van would be more suitable for roadtrips/more comfortable, or a RV if going cross country.  Most families probably rent a van for road trips too to prevent wear and tear on their own cars.

I personally drove an average of 15-20 miles per day on weekdays on the HIGH end if not a lot less prior to the pandemic, wife about the same on weekdays and the occasional LA or SD trip would be 125-175 on weekends.  I filled up on gas once or twice a month just to top off, with an EV 100 range would be more than enough for me, but 200 would be nice. I filled up gas 3x since March since we use my wife's car for family driving.  With the world changing and more companies pivot to WFH and reducing office space to save $ we'll probably drive even less post pandemic.  Both my wife and I are WFH until 2021 at the earliest with more flexible WFH after that.  I probably will get an EV in 1-3 yrs, hopefully more competition by then. 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: AW on July 31, 2020, 07:32:40 AM
So I get Tesla has the greatest EV range...is anyone driving 250+ miles per day these days?  If your answer is yes, the Tesla is for you, but if you're averaging 50-100 miles / day do you need a 300 mile range car?  I think a van would be more suitable for roadtrips/more comfortable, or a RV if going cross country.  Most families probably rent a van for road trips too to prevent wear and tear on their own cars.

I personally drove an average of 15-20 miles per day on weekdays on the HIGH end if not a lot less prior to the pandemic, wife about the same on weekdays and the occasional LA or SD trip would be 125-175 on weekends.  I filled up on gas once or twice a month just to top off, with an EV 100 range would be more than enough for me, but 200 would be nice. I filled up gas 3x since March since we use my wife's car for family driving.  With the world changing and more companies pivot to WFH and reducing office space to save $ we'll probably drive even less post pandemic.  Both my wife and I are WFH until 2021 at the earliest with more flexible WFH after that.  I probably will get an EV in 1-3 yrs, hopefully more competition by then.

Regarding range, no one ever complains having too much, it’s not a must, but a nice to have thing, it’s like filling up a gas car once a month instead of two. 

When you have larger capacity, you can charge more before it slows down towards the last 5-10% of max.  Also, if you only have 20% left on Tesla, some of the functions aren’t available such as sentry mode, turning AC remotely, etc

Like others have said Tesla has a significant lead over competitors, that I wouldn’t consider anything else for full ev for at least another 5 years.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 31, 2020, 07:44:01 AM
So you're saying you don't charge your car everyday at home?  I get gas, you have to go out and get it, Costco gas lines suck etc. but if you have an EV aren't you charging it at home every night/day?  You can still stay in that sweet spot of 20-80% or whatever it is to prolong the battery right?  If you're driving more than that sweet spot to keep the battery lasting a long time, then yes get a Tesla.  How many miles are you driving a day?  QA is more important than than range for me...also I think there was a study, maybe 90% of people drive less than 50miles a day IIRC, too lazy to google it. 

So I get Tesla has the greatest EV range...is anyone driving 250+ miles per day these days?  If your answer is yes, the Tesla is for you, but if you're averaging 50-100 miles / day do you need a 300 mile range car?  I think a van would be more suitable for roadtrips/more comfortable, or a RV if going cross country.  Most families probably rent a van for road trips too to prevent wear and tear on their own cars.

I personally drove an average of 15-20 miles per day on weekdays on the HIGH end if not a lot less prior to the pandemic, wife about the same on weekdays and the occasional LA or SD trip would be 125-175 on weekends.  I filled up on gas once or twice a month just to top off, with an EV 100 range would be more than enough for me, but 200 would be nice. I filled up gas 3x since March since we use my wife's car for family driving.  With the world changing and more companies pivot to WFH and reducing office space to save $ we'll probably drive even less post pandemic.  Both my wife and I are WFH until 2021 at the earliest with more flexible WFH after that.  I probably will get an EV in 1-3 yrs, hopefully more competition by then.

Regarding range, no one ever complains having too much, it’s not a must, but a nice to have thing, it’s like filling up a gas car once a month instead of two. 

When you have larger capacity, you can charge more before it slows down towards the last 5-10% of max.  Also, if you only have 20% left on Tesla, some of the functions aren’t available such as sentry mode, turning AC remotely, etc

Like others have said Tesla has a significant lead over competitors, that I wouldn’t consider anything else for full ev for at least another 5 years.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 31, 2020, 10:31:55 AM
Everyone is talking about Tesla range...so if you drive an average of 50 miles a day at 365 days a year, it's 18,250 miles.  How many people are putting more than that on their cars each year.  I'm sure there are people that do, the Tesla makes sense, but for the majority of drivers, you're not doing that much driving.  I believe the average in the US is around 12-15k miles /yr.  Personally I'm at 5-7k/yr the past couple years, this year will probably be a lot less. 

Now for that off chance you have to drive a ton when you own an EV, 200+ miles, you would plan ahead and take breaks I hope, go charge the car at the same time, when you eat lunch/dinner, when you would be getting gas in a NA car, using the restroom, sleeping, stretching your legs, letting the kids run around.  The only time I would think having a long range EV would be great is to drive to Vegas, but I haven't driven to Vegas for 8+ yrs.

Or better yet, rent a van/car to save the mileage from hitting your car, or if you own an EV I'm sure you have an NA car just in case, drive that?  Momopi would say, have one of each in a disaster, maybe you'll be able to get gas but not charge, or vice versa if the big one hits.  =D
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kenkoko on July 31, 2020, 10:52:57 AM
Everyone is talking about Tesla range...so if you drive an average of 50 miles a day at 365 days a year, it's 18,250 miles.  How many people are putting more than that on their cars each year.  I'm sure there are people that do, the Tesla makes sense, but for the majority of drivers, you're not doing that much driving.  I believe the average in the US is around 12-15k miles /yr.  Personally I'm at 5-7k/yr the past couple years, this year will probably be a lot less. 

Now for that off chance you have to drive a ton when you own an EV, 200+ miles, you would plan ahead and take breaks I hope, go charge the car at the same time, when you eat lunch/dinner, when you would be getting gas in a NA car, using the restroom, sleeping, stretching your legs, letting the kids run around.  The only time I would think having a long range EV would be great is to drive to Vegas, but I haven't driven to Vegas for 8+ yrs.

Or better yet, rent a van/car to save the mileage from hitting your car, or if you own an EV I'm sure you have an NA car just in case, drive that?  Momopi would say, have one of each in a disaster, maybe you'll be able to get gas but not charge, or vice versa if the big one hits.  =D

You're making it a bit too complicated than it needs to be.

At Tesla's price range, consumers are paying for capabilities not to just fill their necessities.

People buy and drive Tesla EVs because they are the superior tech.

Unless the price difference is compelling enough, like my BMW i3 lease at half of the cost to lease a Tesla, why would people settle for inferior tech?

Tesla EVs also hold value really well. They have one of the lowest depreciation rate.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: AW on July 31, 2020, 12:17:07 PM
Yep, with such a long range, I don’t need to charge everyday.
EVs also take longer to charge.  Like the Costco gas example, I only fill up once or twice a month, which is nice, if you have shorter range, you have to remember to charge more frequent.

It’s not just a daily driver for short commutes, I also use it to drive far on weekends or whenever I need to, with the supercharger network, why would I hassle myself in renting another car to go long distance.  It replaces my gas sedan completely. 

Also, since electric rates are cheaper (especially if you have solar), you’ll want to use the ev more than the gas car

So you're saying you don't charge your car everyday at home?  I get gas, you have to go out and get it, Costco gas lines suck etc. but if you have an EV aren't you charging it at home every night/day?  You can still stay in that sweet spot of 20-80% or whatever it is to prolong the battery right?  If you're driving more than that sweet spot to keep the battery lasting a long time, then yes get a Tesla.  How many miles are you driving a day?  QA is more important than than range for me...also I think there was a study, maybe 90% of people drive less than 50miles a day IIRC, too lazy to google it. 

So I get Tesla has the greatest EV range...is anyone driving 250+ miles per day these days?  If your answer is yes, the Tesla is for you, but if you're averaging 50-100 miles / day do you need a 300 mile range car?  I think a van would be more suitable for roadtrips/more comfortable, or a RV if going cross country.  Most families probably rent a van for road trips too to prevent wear and tear on their own cars.

I personally drove an average of 15-20 miles per day on weekdays on the HIGH end if not a lot less prior to the pandemic, wife about the same on weekdays and the occasional LA or SD trip would be 125-175 on weekends.  I filled up on gas once or twice a month just to top off, with an EV 100 range would be more than enough for me, but 200 would be nice. I filled up gas 3x since March since we use my wife's car for family driving.  With the world changing and more companies pivot to WFH and reducing office space to save $ we'll probably drive even less post pandemic.  Both my wife and I are WFH until 2021 at the earliest with more flexible WFH after that.  I probably will get an EV in 1-3 yrs, hopefully more competition by then.

Regarding range, no one ever complains having too much, it’s not a must, but a nice to have thing, it’s like filling up a gas car once a month instead of two. 

When you have larger capacity, you can charge more before it slows down towards the last 5-10% of max.  Also, if you only have 20% left on Tesla, some of the functions aren’t available such as sentry mode, turning AC remotely, etc

Like others have said Tesla has a significant lead over competitors, that I wouldn’t consider anything else for full ev for at least another 5 years.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 31, 2020, 12:20:13 PM
So you're saying you don't charge your car everyday at home?  I get gas, you have to go out and get it, Costco gas lines suck etc. but if you have an EV aren't you charging it at home every night/day?  You can still stay in that sweet spot of 20-80% or whatever it is to prolong the battery right?  If you're driving more than that sweet spot to keep the battery lasting a long time, then yes get a Tesla.  How many miles are you driving a day?  QA is more important than than range for me...also I think there was a study, maybe 90% of people drive less than 50miles a day IIRC, too lazy to google it. 

So I get Tesla has the greatest EV range...is anyone driving 250+ miles per day these days?  If your answer is yes, the Tesla is for you, but if you're averaging 50-100 miles / day do you need a 300 mile range car?  I think a van would be more suitable for roadtrips/more comfortable, or a RV if going cross country.  Most families probably rent a van for road trips too to prevent wear and tear on their own cars.

I personally drove an average of 15-20 miles per day on weekdays on the HIGH end if not a lot less prior to the pandemic, wife about the same on weekdays and the occasional LA or SD trip would be 125-175 on weekends.  I filled up on gas once or twice a month just to top off, with an EV 100 range would be more than enough for me, but 200 would be nice. I filled up gas 3x since March since we use my wife's car for family driving.  With the world changing and more companies pivot to WFH and reducing office space to save $ we'll probably drive even less post pandemic.  Both my wife and I are WFH until 2021 at the earliest with more flexible WFH after that.  I probably will get an EV in 1-3 yrs, hopefully more competition by then.

Regarding range, no one ever complains having too much, it’s not a must, but a nice to have thing, it’s like filling up a gas car once a month instead of two. 

When you have larger capacity, you can charge more before it slows down towards the last 5-10% of max.  Also, if you only have 20% left on Tesla, some of the functions aren’t available such as sentry mode, turning AC remotely, etc

Like others have said Tesla has a significant lead over competitors, that I wouldn’t consider anything else for full ev for at least another 5 years.

I've been working at home.  I charge once a week to 80% that's it.. super easy during non -peak hours
I've added maybe $20/month to my electricity bill that's it

I'm not sure about the whole prolonging the battery but who cares.. will be looking for the newest tech in 7-8 years anyways whether it's the Cybertruck or the new battery that can last 2 million miles ... that's what convenient for me  >:D
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 31, 2020, 12:34:54 PM
Fact: car sales are down, people are keeping their cars longer. I think during a recession/pandemic not that many give a #### about new cars. In other words demand is lower now.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 31, 2020, 01:10:00 PM
Yep, with such a long range, I don’t need to charge everyday.
EVs also take longer to charge.  Like the Costco gas example, I only fill up once or twice a month, which is nice, if you have shorter range, you have to remember to charge more frequent.

I get it, don't need to charge as often b/c of longer range, but is it really that hard to plug in, I assume everyone that has an EV has a charger hanging in the garage right next to where they park, where it takes them less than a minute to plug in and I assume the app will charge/trickle charge, get it to whatever it needs to be in the AM when you need to leave...this is an advantage of going EV...I hate getting gas. 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 31, 2020, 01:12:36 PM
I've been working at home.  I charge once a week to 80% that's it.. super easy during non -peak hours
I've added maybe $20/month to my electricity bill that's it

Never said it wasn't a good idea to get an EV, or that charging was hard.  :D

I have solar, but paying 50-100k when I have no car payment, doesn't make much sense right now, but when I do swap out my car in a few years it'll be electric, probably not Tesla. 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 31, 2020, 01:21:33 PM
I just like driving EVs... once you experience that quick pickup and quiet ride... not to mention not having to go to a gas station ever again... very hard to go back to dinosaur mode.

Like many, I prefer to drive the latest technology... but then again, that's why I lease.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kenkoko on July 31, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
I just like driving EVs... once you experience that quick pickup and quiet ride... not to mention not having to go to a gas station ever again... very hard to go back to dinosaur mode.

Like many, I prefer to drive the latest technology... but then again, that's why I lease.

Plus the math for leasing is in your favor until the Fed $7500 credit runs out.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 31, 2020, 01:35:03 PM
I just like driving EVs... once you experience that quick pickup and quiet ride... not to mention not having to go to a gas station ever again... very hard to go back to dinosaur mode.

Like many, I prefer to drive the latest technology... but then again, that's why I lease.

I guess I got a Buffet mentality, buy to own, my car is old, haven't had a payment in years...more tech also means potentially more electronics that break down over time, I guess why a lot of you lease, swap cars every few years.  Leasing means you'll have car payments forever too.  Unfortuanately I don't have enough $ to buy a car every few years either. 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: akkord on July 31, 2020, 01:42:59 PM
People buy and drive Tesla EVs because they are the superior tech.

So if they have the best tech, shouldn't their factories have good enough tech to build a car with no panel issues?  Full disclosure, I have no idea how they are built, but I assume most of it is by machine...Tesla has the best/superior tech, but they can't use that tech to build a better manufacturing process.  Customers don't want to send their car back b/c they may screw it up even more after they just got a brand new car?  That boggles my mind.

By superior tech most people mean range, is that what you're implying too?

Range as I posted, isn't something that needs to be worried about, even AW stated Tesla has a good charging network, so you make 1 stop going to Vegas with a 300+ mile range car, stop at that Del Taco, take a piss, I assume some may try and push it all the way without a charge, but for peace of mind of not getting stranded most will probably charge partway through.  If you get a 200 mile range car, it's still one stop too. I'd still be able to go to SD or LA and back on a 200 mile range car no problem.  I don't think anyone would get a car with less than 125/150 range, unless it was super cheap as you stated.

Has anyone compared the interior tech from an
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on July 31, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
People buy and drive Tesla EVs because they are the superior tech.

So if they have the best tech, shouldn't their factories have good enough tech to build a car with no panel issues?  Full disclosure, I have no idea how they are built, but I assume most of it is by machine...Tesla has the best/superior tech, but they can't use that tech to build a better manufacturing process.  Customers don't want to send their car back b/c they may screw it up even more after they just got a brand new car?  That boggles my mind.

By superior tech most people mean range, is that what you're implying too?

Range as I posted, isn't something that needs to be worried about, even AW stated Tesla has a good charging network, so you make 1 stop going to Vegas with a 300+ mile range car, stop at that Del Taco, take a piss, I assume some may try and push it all the way without a charge, but for peace of mind of not getting stranded most will probably charge partway through.  If you get a 200 mile range car, it's still one stop too. I'd still be able to go to SD or LA and back on a 200 mile range car no problem.  I don't think anyone would get a car with less than 125/150 range, unless it was super cheap as you stated.

Has anyone compared the interior tech from an

When there is pressure to get output, and when they are working in tents. Idk
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: qwerty on July 31, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
Fact: car sales are down, people are keeping their cars longer. I think during a recession/pandemic not that many give a #### about new cars. In other words demand is lower now.

If the work from home thing becomes permanent or even a hybrid of 2-3 days in office and the rest at home, it’s going to be harder to justify spending 600-1000/month on a lease. For that little of driving may as well get a Toyota. 
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Kenkoko on July 31, 2020, 02:33:13 PM
People buy and drive Tesla EVs because they are the superior tech.

So if they have the best tech, shouldn't their factories have good enough tech to build a car with no panel issues?  Full disclosure, I have no idea how they are built, but I assume most of it is by machine...Tesla has the best/superior tech, but they can't use that tech to build a better manufacturing process.  Customers don't want to send their car back b/c they may screw it up even more after they just got a brand new car?  That boggles my mind.

By superior tech most people mean range, is that what you're implying too?

Range as I posted, isn't something that needs to be worried about, even AW stated Tesla has a good charging network, so you make 1 stop going to Vegas with a 300+ mile range car, stop at that Del Taco, take a piss, I assume some may try and push it all the way without a charge, but for peace of mind of not getting stranded most will probably charge partway through.  If you get a 200 mile range car, it's still one stop too. I'd still be able to go to SD or LA and back on a 200 mile range car no problem.  I don't think anyone would get a car with less than 125/150 range, unless it was super cheap as you stated.

Has anyone compared the interior tech from an

We have a model X and a BMW i3. 138 mile range on the i3 is too limited. I agree with you that about 200 miles is probably the minimum. But longer range = not having to worry about charging. It frees up your mental bandwidth ;D But it's also about more than just the range. For me, Tesla's autopilot is the biggest needle mover. It's something that's hard to live w/o once you've had it.

You're correct Tesla hasn't perfected their build quality. As a model X owner, it's a little frustrating they were never able to tune the falcon wings 100% right. But, it's still super awesome and a conversation starter (pre-COVID)

I think most people are more tolerant to small imperfections / inconvenience when it comes to new tech. The fun of driving the newest tech far outweighs to annoyance of needing to fix / tuneup little things.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: AW on July 31, 2020, 08:25:19 PM
When I think of them having superior tech, I think of software, their AP, how they’re able be so dang fast and fun, and even their battery/range efficiency.   I’d rather have them being good at that than panel gaps (which I don’t think I have any issues with, even if I did, they’ll fix it). 

Also, the last 5% charges slower, so if you plan your trip have to factor that in

I really think it’s at least 5 years until we really see good competition. 

People buy and drive Tesla EVs because they are the superior tech.

So if they have the best tech, shouldn't their factories have good enough tech to build a car with no panel issues?  Full disclosure, I have no idea how they are built, but I assume most of it is by machine...Tesla has the best/superior tech, but they can't use that tech to build a better manufacturing process.  Customers don't want to send their car back b/c they may screw it up even more after they just got a brand new car?  That boggles my mind.

By superior tech most people mean range, is that what you're implying too?

Range as I posted, isn't something that needs to be worried about, even AW stated Tesla has a good charging network, so you make 1 stop going to Vegas with a 300+ mile range car, stop at that Del Taco, take a piss, I assume some may try and push it all the way without a charge, but for peace of mind of not getting stranded most will probably charge partway through.  If you get a 200 mile range car, it's still one stop too. I'd still be able to go to SD or LA and back on a 200 mile range car no problem.  I don't think anyone would get a car with less than 125/150 range, unless it was super cheap as you stated.

Has anyone compared the interior tech from an
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: Compressed-Village on August 01, 2020, 12:19:34 PM
I just like driving EVs... once you experience that quick pickup and quiet ride... not to mention not having to go to a gas station ever again... very hard to go back to dinosaur mode.

Like many, I prefer to drive the latest technology... but then again, that's why I lease.

I guess I got a Buffet mentality, buy to own, my car is old, haven't had a payment in years...more tech also means potentially more electronics that break down over time, I guess why a lot of you lease, swap cars every few years.  Leasing means you'll have car payments forever too.  Unfortuanately I don't have enough $ to buy a car every few years either.

With the GDP drop like a rock for 2nd quarter, we need more people like IHO. Open their pocket wide and spend more. I’ve over spent years ago.

Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on August 02, 2020, 10:21:50 AM
Fact: car sales are down, people are keeping their cars longer. I think during a recession/pandemic not that many give a #### about new cars. In other words demand is lower now.

If the work from home thing becomes permanent or even a hybrid of 2-3 days in office and the rest at home, it’s going to be harder to justify spending 600-1000/month on a lease. For that little of driving may as well get a Toyota.

Oc car sales down 22% according to oc register.
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 02, 2020, 11:02:46 AM
YOLO and FOMO. :)
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: daedalus on August 02, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
Oc car sales down 22% according to oc register.
Is that based on dealership sales?  Registration #s?  New and used?
Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: eyephone on August 02, 2020, 06:32:47 PM
Oc car sales down 22% according to oc register.
Is that based on dealership sales?  Registration #s?  New and used?

Oc register: In 2020’s first six months, 67,036 new cars were registered in Orange County, according to data compiled by Experian. These figures, tracking no-fleet retail sales for the industry group, show sales had dropped 4% last year from 2018.

Auto sales were hurt by stay at home orders seeking to slow the COVID-19 pandemic’s spread. That ensuing lockdowns throttled business activity and slashed employment.

The association found some solace in the fact that June’s sales were off just 7% vs. 2019, with trucks up 6% over 12 months. And the countywide, year-over-year drop of 23% was only slightly larger than the nationwide decline of 20%.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ocregister.com/2020/07/31/orange-county-auto-sales-plunge-22-tesla-model-3-top-selling-car/amp/



Title: Re: Tesla Model Y
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 02, 2020, 09:12:55 PM
But Tesla is outselling all other EVs:

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/08/02/tesla-model-3-had-more-sales-than-2nd-3rd-4th-5th-6th-best-selling-plugin-vehicles-in-1st-half-of-2020/

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While different electric vehicles may be #1 in different markets (the Renault Zoe in France, the Audi e-tron in Norway, the VW e-Golf in Germany), globally, there is no question which electric vehicle is the most popular. According to recently compiled data from EV Volumes, the Tesla Model 3 had nearly as many sales in the first half of 2020 as the 2nd best selling, 3rd best selling, 4th best selling, 5th best selling, 6th best selling, and 7th best selling plugin vehicles combined.
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