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General => Water Cooler => Topic started by: eyephone on December 01, 2017, 06:47:18 AM

Title: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 01, 2017, 06:47:18 AM
Flynn is scheduled to make an appearance in court to lying to the FBI.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 02, 2017, 09:01:58 AM
“The four people charged so far in Russia investigation

Four aides to President Trump face criminal charges in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/906920001

My comments
Who will be next? I think Mike Flynn got a good deal that he made with Mueller. (Pleading guilty to one felony count lying to the FBI)

How many people on TI before and during the investigation mentioned nothing will happen?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on December 02, 2017, 09:06:24 AM
Nothing will happen to Trump...no collusion
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 02, 2017, 09:42:42 AM
The purpose of the special council is to investigate Russian interference in the election and whether any members of the Trump campaign were involved.

I guess it’s matter of opinion, but this investigation jump started after the firing of James Comey the director of FBI.


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on December 02, 2017, 11:08:07 AM
I agree with Dershowitz. This does not bode well for Mueller,  but I’m always the contrarian.

Dershowitz: Flynn Plea Is ‘A Show of Weakness’ for Mueller

https://youtu.be/T2RuO89ngAY
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 02, 2017, 12:09:08 PM
Still having great fun watching my family members on the Left enjoy every bite of this big, fat nothingburger. So they also got a bag of fries to munch on... big deal.

The whole enchilada isn't gonna happen. A huge slice of Humble Pie for me if it does, but for now I raise a chalice full of liberal tears and salute those who still believe in viable Russian Interference in the 2016 election. Your faith in fairy tales is both astounding as it is remarkable

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Loco_local on December 02, 2017, 02:33:58 PM
I wouldn't call this a fairy tale. Fairy tales usually have happy endings (maybe not Slavic/Eastern European ones)


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/russia-mcfarland-flynn-trump-emails.html

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On Dec. 29, a transition adviser to Mr. Trump, K. T. McFarland, wrote in an email to a colleague that sanctions announced hours before by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russian election meddling were aimed at discrediting Mr. Trump’s victory. The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, “which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him,” she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 04, 2017, 10:46:41 AM
Since collusion will never be found (because Team Rabid Orangutan was simply too inept to begin with IMHO) now it's "OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!!!!" or "Logan Act violations" everyone is yowling about.

Pretty hard to convict anyone of Obstruction of Justice when your key guy in this whole thing admitted under oath that Donald never asked for a shutdown of any investigation - as Comey did in front of Congress. Even harder to be the very first conviction EVER under the Logan Act when the previous administration gave it's blessing to the incoming administration to contact foreign governments during the transition.

All any good defense lawyer would need to do is play POTUS 44's "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after the election" hot mic tape and it's game over for this entire collusion/obstruction/logan act stuff.

PS - Would anyone care for a McFlurry or an Apple Pie with their big, fat, nothingburger?

My .02c

SGIP
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 22, 2017, 11:52:00 PM
US Senate requests documents from Jill Stein the Green Party candidate. She was at the same table as Flynn and Putin.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/19/green-partys-jill-stein-says-shes-cooperating-in-russia-probe.amp.html


Video of Jill Stein filmed at Red Square Moscow 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Qhx2ON8RE&sns

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 03, 2018, 05:36:21 PM
“A former Trump aide’s drunk bragging to an Australian diplomat may have kicked off the entire Russia investigation, according to a new report in The New York Times.

On Saturday, the paper reported that George Papadopoulos, who served as a foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, told Australian diplomat Alexander Downer that Russia had political dirt on Trump’s Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, after a night of heavy drinking in May 2016.

Less than a month earlier, he had been told that Russia had emails that would embarrass the former secretary of state. That information came courtesy of Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese professor with contacts in the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who, in April 2016, told Papadopoulos he’d learned the Russians had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.”

When leaked Democratic emails began appearing online in July, apparently timed to the Democratic national convention, Australian officials passed on the information about Papadopoulos to the United States, according to the Times, citing four current and former American and foreign officials. Australia is one of the United States’ closest intelligence allies.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2017/12/30/16833954/george-papadopoulos-trump-times

Sounds like George was more than a coffee boy if he had the inside info. His bragging to the Australian diplomat started the FBI investigation according to the article and many other articles.


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 03, 2018, 05:50:28 PM
“Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon has described the Trump Tower meeting between the president’s son and a group of Russians during the 2016 election campaign as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic”, according to an explosive new book seen by the Guardian.

Wolff writes, Bannon remarked mockingly: “The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor – with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers.”

“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad shit, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.”

Bannon also speculated that Trump Jr had involved his father in the meeting. “The chance that Don Jr did not walk these jumos up to his father’s office on the twenty-sixth floor is zero.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff

My comment: This is coming from Trump’s right hand man.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on January 04, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
My comment: This is coming from Trump’s right hand man.

Not exactly.  Prior to becoming Trump's 3rd and final campaign manager, he strongly supported Ted Cruz during the primary (i.e. he was originally against Trump).  Bannon's mission in the White House was to push Trump as far to the nationalist right as possible, but in practice that backfired dramatically.  Examples of this are the first travel ban and when Bannon was added to the National Security Council.  He was leaking information to the press regularly to undermine his colleagues in the White House, and just before he was fired he gave an unauthorized interview that he thought was off the record, undermining the administration's policies.  The bottom line is he viewed Trump as a vehicle for his agenda, but he was never Trump's right hand man.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on January 04, 2018, 12:21:57 PM
My comment: This is coming from Trump’s right hand man.

Not exactly.  Prior to becoming Trump's 3rd and final campaign manager, he strongly supported Ted Cruz during the primary (i.e. he was originally against Trump).  Bannon's mission in the White House was to push Trump as far to the nationalist right as possible, but in practice that backfired dramatically.  Examples of this are the first travel ban and when Bannon was added to the National Security Council.  He was leaking information to the press regularly to undermine his colleagues in the White House, and just before he was fired he gave an unauthorized interview that he thought was off the record, undermining the administration's policies.  The bottom line is he viewed Trump as a vehicle for his agenda, but he was never Trump's right hand man.

He may not have seen himself as Trump's right hand man but Trump definitely leaned heavily on him.  Most people agree that Trump campaign turned around when Bannon and Conway took over.  Many of the Trump's strongest supporters are Bannon followers.  Bannon also brought on guys like Stephen Miller and Gorka and helped shaped major platforms of Trump's campaign and presidency like the travel ban, trade, and immigration.  There are also discussions that Trump continued to talk to Bannon even after Bannon left the WH.  Bannon is/was a critical member of the Trump campaign and administration.  Trump WH's efforts to pretend otherwise is laughable.

BTW:

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Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump heralded Steve Bannon's praise for him on Thursday in his first public comments since he released a fiery statement slamming his former White House chief strategist.

"I don't know, he called me a great man last night, so he obviously changed his tune pretty quick," Trump said Thursday, referring to Bannon's comments Wednesday night on his Sirius XM radio show in the wake of the firestorm ignited by a new book on the White House.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/04/politics/donald-trump-steve-bannon-praise/index.html

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on January 04, 2018, 07:16:32 PM
Nothing matters anymore. if Trump actually shoots someone (in his words) on Fifth avenue in broad daylight and in front of witnesses , we will still be debating whether there was a secret fake news media shooter on the grassy knoll who entrapped Trump.  Was it really his finger on the trigger ... lets get all the facts before we rise to judgement, etc. etc.   

If a democrat president had called for a private citizen to be jailed, called for banning a book, and playing a d*** measuring contest with a nuclear armed madman, republicans would be calling in SEAL team 6 to seize the White House . 

This investigation will do what it needs to and then we will be sitting on a full blown constitutional crisis.  Repubs as usual won't do anything about it and ossified Dem leadership in Pelosi and Schumer are too wedded to their legacy roles and feckless to do anything to break the glass.

But  hey , as long as Dow is on the way to 36,000 , who cares right :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on January 04, 2018, 08:21:23 PM
Right!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on January 05, 2018, 12:20:22 PM
Sounds like we're all in agreement!

Very convenient that we can keep this thread open for the next investigation!

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FBI launches new Clinton Foundation investigation

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/367541-fbi-launches-new-clinton-foundation-investigation
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 05, 2018, 12:42:07 PM
Nothing matters anymore. if Trump actually shoots someone (in his words) on Fifth avenue in broad daylight and in front of witnesses , we will still be debating whether there was a secret fake news media shooter on the grassy knoll who entrapped Trump.  Was it really his finger on the trigger ... lets get all the facts before we rise to judgement, etc. etc.   

If a democrat president had called for a private citizen to be jailed, called for banning a book, and playing a d*** measuring contest with a nuclear armed madman, republicans would be calling in SEAL team 6 to seize the White House . 

This investigation will do what it needs to and then we will be sitting on a full blown constitutional crisis.  Repubs as usual won't do anything about it and ossified Dem leadership in Pelosi and Schumer are too wedded to their legacy roles and feckless to do anything to break the glass.

But  hey , as long as Dow is on the way to 36,000 , who cares right :)

Donald Jr Tweet:

“Steve had the honor of working in the White House & serving the country. Unfortunately, he squandered that privilege & turned that opportunity into a nightmare of backstabbing, harassing, leaking, lying & undermining the President. Steve is not a strategist, he is an opportunist”

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/948678893610913793

My comment:
I can’t stop laughing. What do you expect from Steve? 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on January 05, 2018, 01:18:25 PM
Sounds like we're all in agreement!

Very convenient that we can keep this thread open for the next investigation!

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FBI launches new Clinton Foundation investigation

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/367541-fbi-launches-new-clinton-foundation-investigation

Not only that, but the author of the Steele Dossier may now be under investigation, as Senators Grassley/Graham have just referred him to the DOJ. 

This whole Russia conspiracy is starting to backfire on the Democrats big time.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 05, 2018, 01:34:07 PM
Sounds like we're all in agreement!

Very convenient that we can keep this thread open for the next investigation!

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FBI launches new Clinton Foundation investigation

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/367541-fbi-launches-new-clinton-foundation-investigation

Not only that, but the author of the Steele Dossier may now be under investigation, as Senators Grassley/Graham have just referred him to the DOJ. 

This whole Russia conspiracy is starting to backfire on the Democrats big time.

Blame it on the “coffee boy” that jump started the Russian investigation. According to reports he told an Australian diplomat regarding the emails. (You can’t make this stuff up)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on January 05, 2018, 01:58:52 PM
(You can’t make this stuff up)

Some people think this is precisely what happened.  Congress is getting very close to putting the pieces together here and many regard the NY Times story as a smokescreen.  For instance, if "coffee boy" was the reason the investigation was launched in July 2016, why was he not even interviewed by the FBI until January 2017?  It has the feel of covering your tracks after the fact.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 05, 2018, 06:15:02 PM
@ double L

“In case you haven't heard, the New York Times reported on Saturday that Trump's former foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos, the guy who copped a plea in exchange for cooperation with Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller, got drunk in a London bar in May of 2016 and spilled to the Australian High Commissioner to Britain, Alexander Downer, that the Russians had dirt on Hillary Clinton.”

That would have been less than a month after Papadopoulos first heard that Russia had emails that would embarrass the former secretary of state from Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese professor with contacts in the Russian ministry of foreign affairs. And it was months before the release of the DNC emails in July, which evidently prompted the Aussies to alert the FBI about Papadopoulos' loose-lipped blather. It was then that the U.S. government opened a formal investigation into just what in the hell was going on with the Trump campaign and Moscow:

It was not, as Mr. Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead, it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies.

Interviews and previously undisclosed documents show that Mr. Papadopoulos played a critical role in this drama and reveal a Russian operation that was more aggressive and widespread than previously known. They add to an emerging portrait, gradually filled in over the past year in revelations by federal investigators, journalists and lawmakers, of Russians with government contacts trying to establish secret channels at various levels of the Trump campaign.”


Source https://www.alternet.org/trump-trauma/papadopoulos-paradox-could-coffee-boy-be-key-whole-conspiracy

A must read article. Talks about the “five eyes” spying alliance. (Its like Jason Borne stuff)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 05, 2018, 06:16:10 PM
FYI - I bought the book.

Apparently the book is selling like hot cakes thanks to Trump.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on January 05, 2018, 09:02:55 PM
FYI - I bought the book.

Apparently the book is selling like hot cakes thanks to Trump.

I also bought it but amazon says delivery Jan 24 or something
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on January 07, 2018, 08:28:09 AM
And BTW , it doesn't take a STABLE GENIUS to figure out that these so called "investigations" into Clinton Foundation and Steele Dossier author are started purely out of spite and massive pressure on the Sessions DOJ by Trump.  This looks weak , and not something "earth shattering. " or  "backfiring on dems " .   If you look at the news cycle , these are buried deep below Trump's self inflicted wounds .
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 10, 2018, 06:26:56 AM
Steve Bannon is leaving Breitbart.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/09/steve-bannon-steps-down-as-executive-chairman-breitbart-news.amp.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Compressed-Village on January 10, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
FYI - I bought the book.

Apparently the book is selling like hot cakes thanks to Trump.

I also bought it but amazon says delivery Jan 24 or something

PDF version for free anyone?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 10, 2018, 11:04:20 AM
SEC investigates Kushner's family business regarding EB-5 visa use

https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2018/01/08/sec-investigates-kushners-family-business.html

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 16, 2018, 10:59:17 AM
Sounds like we're all in agreement!

Very convenient that we can keep this thread open for the next investigation!

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FBI launches new Clinton Foundation investigation

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/367541-fbi-launches-new-clinton-foundation-investigation

Not only that, but the author of the Steele Dossier may now be under investigation, as Senators Grassley/Graham have just referred him to the DOJ. 

This whole Russia conspiracy is starting to backfire on the Democrats big time.

Steve Bannon is subpoenaed in Muller’s Russia investigation. To testify in front of a grand jury.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/16/steve-bannon-subpoenaed-by-special-counsel-s-office-fox-news-confirms.amp.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on February 16, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
“Special counsel Mueller indicts 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 U.S. election

Thirteen Russian nationals have been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of interfering in the 2016 presidential election — including supporting Donald Trump's campaign and "disparaging" Hillary Clinton, special counsel Robert Mueller announced Friday.

The indictments — part of Mueller's ongoing investigation — are the first tied directly to Russian meddling in the race for the White House.

"Some defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities," the indictment says.

Some of those charged also "posted derogatory information" about candidates in the Republican primaries, including Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and supporting Bernie Sanders and Trump. By the time of the general election, the Russians' efforts included "supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaging Hillary Clinton," the indictment says.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/amp/special-counsel-mueller-charges-13-russians-interfering-2016-election-n848686


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on February 16, 2018, 03:17:14 PM
“WASHINGTON — A California man illegally provided hundreds of bank account numbers to a Russian operation that used social media platforms to sow political discord around the 2016 presidential election, the special counsel investigating Moscow’s interference in the 2016 election revealed on Friday.

The man, Richard Pinedo of Santa Paula, Calif., pleaded guilty this week to identity fraud, according to a statement of offense. Other documents unsealed by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, show that Mr. Pinedo’s plea supported the indictment of 13 Russian nationals and three Russian organizations, which also was revealed on Friday.

Mr. Pinedo operated a company between 2014 and December 2017 that procured American bank account numbers to sell to clients, according to court papers. The company, Auction Essistance, provided services “designed to circumvent the security features of large online digital payment companies.”

Mr. Pinedo “frequently” bought and sold account numbers with people he knew were outside the United States, according to the statement.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/richard-pinedo-russia-bank-accounts-guilty-plea-mueller.amp.html(http://)

My comment: Someone from Cali is taking a plea deal. What was this person thinking in the first place?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on February 16, 2018, 03:48:01 PM
“Special counsel Mueller indicts 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 U.S. election

Translation: Yearlong Russia Investigation Finds No Collusion, But Identifies 13 Russian Trolls That Will Never Be Extradited or Tried In the US
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 16, 2018, 04:20:01 PM
“Special counsel Mueller indicts 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 U.S. election

Translation: Yearlong Russia Investigation Finds No Collusion, But Identifies 13 Russian Trolls That Will Never Be Extradited or Tried In the US

So which of the following is Mueller's greatest success so far?

1) George P. pleads guilty to lying.

2) Gen. Flynn pleads guilty to lying.  (Although a new judge has been assigned and this plea might change.)

3) Manafort/Gates charged with laundering money and not registering as foreign agents in 2006.

4) 13 Russians charged with identity theft, bank fraud, and purchasing Facebook ads.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on February 16, 2018, 09:36:35 PM
“Special counsel Mueller indicts 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 U.S. election

Translation: Yearlong Russia Investigation Finds No Collusion, But Identifies 13 Russian Trolls That Will Never Be Extradited or Tried In the US

So which of the following is Mueller's greatest success so far?

1) George P. pleads guilty to lying.

2) Gen. Flynn pleads guilty to lying.  (Although a new judge has been assigned and this plea might change.)

3) Manafort/Gates charged with laundering money and not registering as foreign agents in 2006.

4) 13 Russians charged with identity theft, bank fraud, and purchasing Facebook ads.
I like how when Russians obtain fraudulent IDs and SSNs they’re charged with a crime, but when illegal aliens do it they’re “dreamers”.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on February 17, 2018, 06:40:04 AM
Quote from: Kings


[color=blue
I like how when Russians obtain fraudulent IDs and SSNs they’re charged with a crime, but when illegal aliens do it they’re “dreamers”.[/color]




THIS COMMENT SAYS IT ALL . This is the corrosive effect trump has had on his followers

On one hand you have people (let’s not even call them children or dreamers lest someone cry  “gotcha “) coming to this country to create a better life for themselves , struggling . They go through exploitation and abuse in many cases , including at the hands of racists .

Then you have a well organized and well funded attack on our country’s sovereignty by an outside hostile foreign power , you the know the same one , Raegan used to rail against .

Any other day , we would call this TREASON , especially if the other party held such views . But here , the echo chamber will rise up to defend such nasty views .


All the people throwing up and becoming “sick” because someone dare raise the issue of controlling access to AR 15s , will now be silent . Again , this attitude says all you need to know

There will be a ton of brickbats thrown at me after this post , but for you, the casual reader of this forum / thread , this is a very instructive post into the mindset of the right wing today


The other thread I posed on the article from the Atlantic couldn’t have been more timely

http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,16128.msg326062.html?PHPSESSID=MKclaOREc5j7dbeV6vLBz0#msg326062





Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Loco_local on February 17, 2018, 09:39:01 AM
“Special counsel Mueller indicts 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 U.S. election

Translation: Yearlong Russia Investigation Finds No Collusion, But Identifies 13 Russian Trolls That Will Never Be Extradited or Tried In the US

So which of the following is Mueller's greatest success so far?

1) George P. pleads guilty to lying.

2) Gen. Flynn pleads guilty to lying.  (Although a new judge has been assigned and this plea might change.)

3) Manafort/Gates charged with laundering money and not registering as foreign agents in 2006.

4) 13 Russians charged with identity theft, bank fraud, and purchasing Facebook ads.

It's a toss up between Flynn and Manafort since they previously worked as foreign agents and were already connected with Russia.  Flynn's son is up to no good so who knows how much he will squeal to protect his family. You don't plead guilty to a lesser crime unless you know you've done something much worse and have been caught.

My guess this is going to lead back to Jared and the Mercers. Trump was probably too clueless and thickheaded to think he needed anyone's help to win the election.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on February 17, 2018, 09:48:17 AM
Each indictment moves further and further away from trump and closer and closer to Clinton...nice job boneheads.

https://youtu.be/ISeLwQDP8UM
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on February 17, 2018, 10:59:12 AM
Each indictment moves further and further away from trump and closer and closer to Clinton...nice job boneheads.

https://youtu.be/ISeLwQDP8UM

Thats the difference between Republicans and Democrats  in their present form. ... at-least one party cares a little bit about this nations sovereignty ... even if it leads to whomever it does
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on February 17, 2018, 11:03:20 AM
https://youtu.be/tNJKPk9FrfI
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on February 18, 2018, 07:16:38 AM
Each indictment moves further and further away from trump and closer and closer to Clinton...nice job boneheads.

https://youtu.be/ISeLwQDP8UM

Thats the difference between Republicans and Democrats  in their present form. ... at-least one party cares a little bit about this nations sovereignty ... even if it leads to whomever it does


I agree. Build that wall!!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on February 18, 2018, 07:57:03 AM

Thats the difference between Republicans and Democrats  in their present form. ... at-least one party cares a little bit about this nations sovereignty ... even if it leads to whomever it does

“George W. Bush: 'Clear evidence Russians meddled' in election

Former president George W. Bush appeared to take aim at President Trump on Thursday when he said at an economic summit that there was "pretty clear evidence that the Russians meddled" in the 2016 U.S. election.

"Whether (Russia) affected the outcome is another question," Bush said. "It’s problematic that a foreign nation is involved in our election system. Our democracy is only as good as people trust the results."

Intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia meddled in the presidential election, and numerous investigations are underway to determine whether Trump’s campaign aided the Kremlin. Trump has consistently disputed allegations of Russian interference in the race or that members of his campaign team in any way "colluded" with Moscow.

It wasn't the first time Bush has spoken publicly about alleged Russian interference in the election. In an address in New York last year, he said: "The Russian government has made a project of turning Americans against each other."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/318620002


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 19, 2018, 09:39:33 AM
Each indictment moves further and further away from trump and closer and closer to Clinton...nice job boneheads.

https://youtu.be/ISeLwQDP8UM

Thats the difference between Republicans and Democrats  in their present form. ... at-least one party cares a little bit about this nations sovereignty ... even if it leads to whomever it does


I agree. Build that wall!!


Oh snap!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 19, 2018, 10:05:37 AM
Twitter account of Rob Goldman, VP of Facebook Ads:
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The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election.  We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Trump and the election.

https://twitter.com/robjective/status/964680123885613056
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on February 19, 2018, 10:13:00 AM
Twitter account of Rob Goldman, VP of Facebook Ads:
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The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election.  We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Trump and the election.

https://twitter.com/robjective/status/964680123885613056

Obviously, what would you expect from a VP of facebook ads !! His job is on the line :)

The grand jury indictment secured by Mueller clearly says  that "the goal of Russian operatives was to influence the 2016 election, particularly by criticizing Hillary Clinton and supporting Trump and Bernie Sanders"

I will take Mueller's investigative work any day over that of a corporate shill trying to cover up for his own missteps .  I have seen too many of these cases as a management consultant to believe stuff from corporate types at face value.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 19, 2018, 10:31:34 AM
Twitter account of Rob Goldman, VP of Facebook Ads:
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The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election.  We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Trump and the election.

https://twitter.com/robjective/status/964680123885613056

Obviously, what would you expect from a VP of facebook ads !! His job is on the line :)

The grand jury indictment secured by Mueller clearly says  that "the goal of Russian operatives was to influence the 2016 election, particularly by criticizing Hillary Clinton and supporting Trump and Bernie Sanders"

I will take Mueller's investigative work any day over that of a corporate shill trying to cover up for his own missteps .  I have seen too many of these cases as a management consultant to believe stuff from corporate types at face value.

That's not quite correct.

The indictment concludes that the Internet Research Agency "had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/trump-russia-indictments-mueller-investigation-415667

I think we can agree that the Ruskies, at least partially, accomplished their goal.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 19, 2018, 10:41:59 AM
I also think Rob Goldman isn't so much worried about his job as he is worried about Facebook being blamed by Democrats for Crooked Hillary's loss.  If SJW's started abandoning their FB accounts en masse, that would be a huge drop in active user count for their ad rates.  They also want to avoid government regulation which is why they are falling all over themselves to cooperate with Mueller and change their policies regarding ad sales to hostile foreign actors. 

Ultimately, I don't think Rob Goldman's job is in danger because he was taking orders from the top.  Zuckerberg is the one who defined Facebook as a "platform" not a "content provider".  He now realizes what a mistake that was.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 22, 2018, 03:23:39 PM
Russia Announces New Plan To Just Let The U.S. Tear Itself Apart Unaided
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MOSCOW—After years of meddling by Russian agents and Russia-funded bots and hacking attempts, the Kremlin announced Thursday it would be withdrawing from all activity in the U.S., and would instead be allowing the country to tear itself apart without any help from them.

“Our spies and bots simply couldn’t keep up with the rapid pace at which America is destroying itself,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a press conference Thursday. “They’re on the verge of tearing each other to shreds. Really, it’s quite impressive.”

Putin stated his spies stationed abroad tried their hardest to divide America, but were outpaced and outclassed at every turn by the country’s highly motivated politicians and partisan activists, who are doing “a far better job” than his own spies could at ripping the country apart.

“They don’t need our help, apparently. So we’ll just get out of the way and let them have at it. Bravo, America!” Putin added.

(http://babylonbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/putin-696x394.png)

http://babylonbee.com/news/russia-announces-new-plan-just-let-u-s-tear-apart-unaided/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 23, 2018, 01:13:43 PM
“Special counsel Mueller indicts 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 U.S. election

Translation: Yearlong Russia Investigation Finds No Collusion, But Identifies 13 Russian Trolls That Will Never Be Extradited or Tried In the US

So which of the following is Mueller's greatest success so far?

1) George P. pleads guilty to lying.

2) Gen. Flynn pleads guilty to lying.  (Although a new judge has been assigned and this plea might change.)

3) Manafort/Gates charged with laundering money and not registering as foreign agents in 2006.

4) 13 Russians charged with identity theft, bank fraud, and purchasing Facebook ads.

It's a toss up between Flynn and Manafort since they previously worked as foreign agents and were already connected with Russia.  Flynn's son is up to no good so who knows how much he will squeal to protect his family. You don't plead guilty to a lesser crime unless you know you've done something much worse and have been caught.

My guess this is going to lead back to Jared and the Mercers. Trump was probably too clueless and thickheaded to think he needed anyone's help to win the election.

With Gates turning state's evidence, and the pile of new charges being announced, I think the Manafort prosecution is by far the biggest success of the investigation, so far.  He could potentially spend life in prison if found guilty of all charges.

Of course, all of this is designed to get him to squeal about Russian collusion against his old boss, Teflon Don.  We'll have to see what comes of this.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 23, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
“Special counsel Mueller indicts 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 U.S. election

Translation: Yearlong Russia Investigation Finds No Collusion, But Identifies 13 Russian Trolls That Will Never Be Extradited or Tried In the US

So which of the following is Mueller's greatest success so far?

1) George P. pleads guilty to lying.

2) Gen. Flynn pleads guilty to lying.  (Although a new judge has been assigned and this plea might change.)

3) Manafort/Gates charged with laundering money and not registering as foreign agents in 2006.

4) 13 Russians charged with identity theft, bank fraud, and purchasing Facebook ads.

It's a toss up between Flynn and Manafort since they previously worked as foreign agents and were already connected with Russia.  Flynn's son is up to no good so who knows how much he will squeal to protect his family. You don't plead guilty to a lesser crime unless you know you've done something much worse and have been caught.

My guess this is going to lead back to Jared and the Mercers. Trump was probably too clueless and thickheaded to think he needed anyone's help to win the election.

With Gates turning state's evidence, and the pile of new charges being announced, I think the Manafort prosecution is by far the biggest success of the investigation, so far.  He could potentially spend life in prison if found guilty of all charges.

Of course, all of this is designed to get him to squeal about Russian collusion against his old boss, Teflon Don.  We'll have to see what comes of this.

Wait...you actually think that the investigation actually means something? 

Trump's issue is the obstruction of justice part.  He told Comey to stop the investigation and then fired Comey because he would not do so.  He then tried to place hurdles in front of the special investigation and  "allegedly" tried to fire Mueller.  Remember, Nixon probably didn't know about the Watergate break-in either.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/how-trump-built-an-obstruction-of-justice-case-against-himself/551588/

https://www.vox.com/2014/8/7/5970967/what-was-watergate-scandal-nixon
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 23, 2018, 04:23:34 PM
“Special counsel Mueller indicts 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 U.S. election

Translation: Yearlong Russia Investigation Finds No Collusion, But Identifies 13 Russian Trolls That Will Never Be Extradited or Tried In the US

So which of the following is Mueller's greatest success so far?

1) George P. pleads guilty to lying.

2) Gen. Flynn pleads guilty to lying.  (Although a new judge has been assigned and this plea might change.)

3) Manafort/Gates charged with laundering money and not registering as foreign agents in 2006.

4) 13 Russians charged with identity theft, bank fraud, and purchasing Facebook ads.

It's a toss up between Flynn and Manafort since they previously worked as foreign agents and were already connected with Russia.  Flynn's son is up to no good so who knows how much he will squeal to protect his family. You don't plead guilty to a lesser crime unless you know you've done something much worse and have been caught.

My guess this is going to lead back to Jared and the Mercers. Trump was probably too clueless and thickheaded to think he needed anyone's help to win the election.

With Gates turning state's evidence, and the pile of new charges being announced, I think the Manafort prosecution is by far the biggest success of the investigation, so far.  He could potentially spend life in prison if found guilty of all charges.

Of course, all of this is designed to get him to squeal about Russian collusion against his old boss, Teflon Don.  We'll have to see what comes of this.

Wait...you actually think that the investigation actually means something? 

Trump's issue is the obstruction of justice part.  He told Comey to stop the investigation and then fired Comey because he would not do so.  He then tried to place hurdles in front of the special investigation and  "allegedly" tried to fire Mueller.  Remember, Nixon probably didn't know about the Watergate break-in either.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/how-trump-built-an-obstruction-of-justice-case-against-himself/551588/

https://www.vox.com/2014/8/7/5970967/what-was-watergate-scandal-nixon

I think the investigation into Manafort is probably solid.  The investigation into Trump is bogus.  Even you are resorting to focusing on obstruction because all the signs point to no collusion.

As for obstruction, we don't know what Trump "asked" of Comey because the FBI refuses to declassify Comey's memos... you know the ones he leaked to the NY Times?  We only have Comey's part of the story (the leaked part) and not the full story.  Comey's leak of classified FBI documents is a felony.

As it so happens, asking Comey to go easy on Flynn must have been persuasive, because that's exactly what Comey did.  The only thing Flynn was charged with was lying to the FBI by the special counsel, and that may get vacated under the new judge assigned to the case.  Comey himself said his agents didn't think Flynn lied.

As for firing Comey, that isn't obstruction of justice.  The President can fire anybody in the Executive Branch for any reason.  Comey had crossed many lines in his role as FBI director.  Democrats wanted him gone for "costing Hillary the election".  Comey thought he was playing Trump by being coy about the dossier and waving it out there to show he had the dirt on the President (an implicit threat akin to J Edgar Hoover), but he didn't realize Trump plays 12-dimensional chess. 

After watching Comey tell lie after lie during his Congressional testimony, Trump said "You're fired!"  Letting Comey find out from a CNN broadcast in the middle of a speech was classic Trump.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 23, 2018, 04:26:23 PM

I think the investigation into Manafort is probably solid.  The investigation into Trump is bogus.  Even you are resorting to focusing on obstruction because all the signs point to no collusion.

As for obstruction, we don't know what Trump "asked" of Comey because the FBI refuses to declassify Comey's memos... you know the ones he leaked to the NY Times?  We only have Comey's part of the story (the leaked part) and not the full story.  Comey's leak of classified FBI documents is a felony.

As it so happens, asking Comey to go easy on Flynn must have been persuasive, because that's exactly what Comey did.  The only thing Flynn was charged with was lying to the FBI by the special counsel, and that may get vacated under the new judge assigned to the case.  Comey himself said his agents didn't think Flynn lied.

As for firing Comey, that isn't obstruction of justice.  The President can fire anybody in the Executive Branch for any reason.  Comey had crossed many lines in his role as FBI director.  Democrats wanted him gone for "costing Hillary the election".  Comey thought he was playing Trump by being coy about the dossier and waving it out there to show he had the dirt on the President (an implicit threat akin to J Edgar Hoover), but he didn't realize Trump plays 12-dimensional chess. 

After watching Comey tell lie after lie during his Congressional testimony, Trump said "You're fired!"  Letting Comey find out from a CNN broadcast in the middle of a speech was classic Trump.

Nope...you can't fire anybody in the for any reason...one of the reasons you can't fire someone...to stop an investigation.

You really think that Mueller is turn 3 of Trump's former associates states witness to get Manafort?  Seriously

12-Dimension chess?  Trump struggles with chutes and ladders. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 23, 2018, 04:49:59 PM

I think the investigation into Manafort is probably solid.  The investigation into Trump is bogus.  Even you are resorting to focusing on obstruction because all the signs point to no collusion.

As for obstruction, we don't know what Trump "asked" of Comey because the FBI refuses to declassify Comey's memos... you know the ones he leaked to the NY Times?  We only have Comey's part of the story (the leaked part) and not the full story.  Comey's leak of classified FBI documents is a felony.

As it so happens, asking Comey to go easy on Flynn must have been persuasive, because that's exactly what Comey did.  The only thing Flynn was charged with was lying to the FBI by the special counsel, and that may get vacated under the new judge assigned to the case.  Comey himself said his agents didn't think Flynn lied.

As for firing Comey, that isn't obstruction of justice.  The President can fire anybody in the Executive Branch for any reason.  Comey had crossed many lines in his role as FBI director.  Democrats wanted him gone for "costing Hillary the election".  Comey thought he was playing Trump by being coy about the dossier and waving it out there to show he had the dirt on the President (an implicit threat akin to J Edgar Hoover), but he didn't realize Trump plays 12-dimensional chess. 

After watching Comey tell lie after lie during his Congressional testimony, Trump said "You're fired!"  Letting Comey find out from a CNN broadcast in the middle of a speech was classic Trump.

Nope...you can't fire anybody in the for any reason...one of the reasons you can't fire someone...to stop an investigation.

You really think that Mueller is turn 3 of Trump's former associates states witness to get Manafort?  Seriously

12-Dimension chess?  Trump struggles with chutes and ladders.

No less than Jim Comey disagrees with you:

I have long believed that a President can fire an FBI Director for any reason, or for no reason at all. I'm not going to spend time on the decision or the way it was executed. I hope you won't either. It is done, and I will be fine, although I will miss you and the mission deeply.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/332876-comey-a-president-can-fire-an-fbi-director-for-any-reason
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 23, 2018, 05:27:00 PM

I think the investigation into Manafort is probably solid.  The investigation into Trump is bogus.  Even you are resorting to focusing on obstruction because all the signs point to no collusion.

As for obstruction, we don't know what Trump "asked" of Comey because the FBI refuses to declassify Comey's memos... you know the ones he leaked to the NY Times?  We only have Comey's part of the story (the leaked part) and not the full story.  Comey's leak of classified FBI documents is a felony.

As it so happens, asking Comey to go easy on Flynn must have been persuasive, because that's exactly what Comey did.  The only thing Flynn was charged with was lying to the FBI by the special counsel, and that may get vacated under the new judge assigned to the case.  Comey himself said his agents didn't think Flynn lied.

As for firing Comey, that isn't obstruction of justice.  The President can fire anybody in the Executive Branch for any reason.  Comey had crossed many lines in his role as FBI director.  Democrats wanted him gone for "costing Hillary the election".  Comey thought he was playing Trump by being coy about the dossier and waving it out there to show he had the dirt on the President (an implicit threat akin to J Edgar Hoover), but he didn't realize Trump plays 12-dimensional chess. 

After watching Comey tell lie after lie during his Congressional testimony, Trump said "You're fired!"  Letting Comey find out from a CNN broadcast in the middle of a speech was classic Trump.

Nope...you can't fire anybody in the for any reason...one of the reasons you can't fire someone...to stop an investigation.

You really think that Mueller is turn 3 of Trump's former associates states witness to get Manafort?  Seriously

12-Dimension chess?  Trump struggles with chutes and ladders.

No less than Jim Comey disagrees with you:

I have long believed that a President can fire an FBI Director for any reason, or for no reason at all. I'm not going to spend time on the decision or the way it was executed. I hope you won't either. It is done, and I will be fine, although I will miss you and the mission deeply.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/332876-comey-a-president-can-fire-an-fbi-director-for-any-reason

No less than Nixon can tell you of the consequence of firing people investigating presidential campaigns.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on February 23, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
sad state of affairs is — Fox News (state tv) and talk radio and Facebook bubbles have turned a meaningful swath of republican primary voters, especially old evangelicals , immune to facts and reason , as long as they can be convinced they are “owning the libs “ and “Pelosi is coming “.

Nixon did not have this weapon of mass (mind) destruction at his disposal .

The most powerful force in the country today holding sway over congress is the republican primary voter, usually older / evangelical .  This is why you stil cannot enact laws or change things that otherwise have 70 percent approval from the broader public . Because even though many repubs don’t need to be whackos to win general elections , they need to be in order to win primaries . 

Unless gen x/y/z can turn all this outrage into actionable outcomes at the ballot box , republican efforts to restrict voting acces and gerrimandering notwithstanding , Trump can do whatever the f**** he wants , including pardoning Manafort and firing mueller and it will be alright

Again this is a cynical / pragmatist read of the situation . But let’s hope I am proven wrong.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on February 28, 2018, 01:52:49 PM
Hope Hicks Acknowledges She Sometimes Tells White Lies for Trump

WASHINGTON — Hope Hicks, the White House communications director, told House investigators on Tuesday that her work for President Trump, who has a reputation for exaggerations and outright falsehoods, had occasionally required her to tell white lies.

But after extended consultation with her lawyers, she insisted that she had not lied about matters material to the investigations into Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election and possible links to Trump associates, according to three people familiar with her testimony.

The exchange came during more than eight hours of private testimony before the House Intelligence Committee. Ms. Hicks declined to answer similar questions about other figures from the Trump campaign or the White House.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/us/politics/hope-hicks-house-intelligence-committee-testimony.amp.html

Tells white lies?

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 28, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
Hope Hicks Acknowledges She Sometimes Tells White Lies for Trump

WASHINGTON — Hope Hicks, the White House communications director, told House investigators on Tuesday that her work for President Trump, who has a reputation for exaggerations and outright falsehoods, had occasionally required her to tell white lies.

But after extended consultation with her lawyers, she insisted that she had not lied about matters material to the investigations into Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election and possible links to Trump associates, according to three people familiar with her testimony.

The exchange came during more than eight hours of private testimony before the House Intelligence Committee. Ms. Hicks declined to answer similar questions about other figures from the Trump campaign or the White House.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/us/politics/hope-hicks-house-intelligence-committee-testimony.amp.html

Tells white lies?

She just quit!  Hopefully Mueller will get her on a plea deal too!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 28, 2018, 03:04:54 PM
NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!!  NOTHING!

Quote
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is asking witnesses pointed questions about whether Donald Trump was aware that Democratic emails had been stolen before that was publicly known, and whether he was involved in their strategic release, according to multiple people familiar with the probe.

Mueller's investigators have asked witnesses whether Trump was aware of plans for WikiLeaks to publish the emails. They have also asked about the relationship between GOP operative Roger Stone and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, and why Trump took policy positions favorable to Russia.

The line of questioning suggests the special counsel, who is tasked with examining whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, is looking into possible coordination between WikiLeaks and Trump associates in disseminating the emails, which U.S. intelligence officials say were stolen by Russia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-asking-what-trump-knew-about-hacked-emails-n851941
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 28, 2018, 03:56:20 PM
THE BEST PEOPLE!

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New York’s banking regulator has asked Deutsche Bank AG and a pair of local lenders to provide information about their relationships with Jared Kushner, his family and the Kushner Cos., according to people familiar with the matter.

The state’s Department of Financial Services sent letters to Deutsche Bank, Signature Bank and New York Community Bank last week, said one of the people, who described the letter. Seeking a response by March 5, the DFS asked about the banks’ relationships with Kushner and his business properties, as well as documents and communications about certain loan requests.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/regulator-seeks-kushner-loan-details-175738240.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on March 16, 2018, 12:57:57 PM
Wow... The swamp just keeps getting swampier!!!

REVEALED: Peter Strzok Had Personal Relationship With Recused Judge In Michael Flynn Case

Text messages obtained by The Federalist show that Peter Strzok and Lisa Page conspired to collude with Judge Rudolph Contreras, a FISA judge who presided over Michael Flynn's guilty plea and was later removed from the case.

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Newly discovered text messages obtained by The Federalist reveal two key federal law enforcement officials conspired to meet with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) judge who presided over the federal case against Michael Flynn. The judge, Rudolph Contreras, was recused from handling the case just days after accepting the guilty plea of President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser who was charged with making false statements to federal investigators.

The text messages about Contreras between controversial Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) lawyer Lisa Page and Peter Strzok, the senior FBI counterintelligence official who was kicked off Robert Mueller’s special counsel team, were deliberately hidden from Congress, multiple congressional investigators told The Federalist. In the messages, Page and Strzok, who are rumored to have been engaged in an illicit romantic affair, discussed Strzok’s personal friendship with Contreras and how to leverage that relationship in ongoing counterintelligence matters.


“Rudy is on the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court]!” Page excitedly texted Strzok on July 25, 2016. “Did you know that? Just appointed two months ago.”

“I did,” Strzok responded. “I need to get together with him.”

“[He] said he’d gotten on a month or two ago at a graduation party we were both at.”

Contreras was appointed to the top surveillance court on May 19, 2016, federal records show.

The pair even schemed about how to set up a cocktail or dinner party just so Contreras, Strzok, and Page could speak without arousing suspicion that they were colluding. Strzok expressed concern that a one-on-one meeting between the two men might require Contreras’ recusal from matters in which Strzok was involved.

“[REDACTED] suggested a social setting with others would probably be better than a one on one meeting,” Strzok told Page. “I’m sorry, I’m just going to have to invite you to that cocktail party.”

“Have to come up with some other work people cover for action,” Strzok added.

“Why more?” Page responded. “Six is a perfectly fine dinner party.”

It is not known whether the proposed party happened as planned.

Flynn’s guilty plea was accepted in federal court by Contreras on December 1, 2017. Contreras was recused from the Flynn case on December 7, 2017, and the case was reassigned to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, according to federal court documents.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/16/revealed-peter-strzok-had-personal-relationship-with-recused-judge-in-michael-flynn-case/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 16, 2018, 01:31:15 PM
Wow... The swamp just keeps getting swampier!!!

REVEALED: Peter Strzok Had Personal Relationship With Recused Judge In Michael Flynn Case


LOL...you clearly have no idea how judges and attorneys interact. 

and somehow this is evidence of "collusion" but not what Trump did? 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on March 16, 2018, 02:31:18 PM
Wow... The swamp just keeps getting swampier!!!

REVEALED: Peter Strzok Had Personal Relationship With Recused Judge In Michael Flynn Case


LOL...you clearly have no idea how judges and attorneys interact. 

and somehow this is evidence of "collusion" but not what Trump did?

What does that have to do with LEAD INVESTIGATOR Peter Strzok?  Did you think he was an attorney?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 16, 2018, 05:31:10 PM
Wow... The swamp just keeps getting swampier!!!

REVEALED: Peter Strzok Had Personal Relationship With Recused Judge In Michael Flynn Case


LOL...you clearly have no idea how judges and attorneys interact. 

and somehow this is evidence of "collusion" but not what Trump did?

What does that have to do with LEAD INVESTIGATOR Peter Strzok?  Did you think he was an attorney?

Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) lawyer
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on March 16, 2018, 05:36:04 PM
Wow... The swamp just keeps getting swampier!!!

REVEALED: Peter Strzok Had Personal Relationship With Recused Judge In Michael Flynn Case


LOL...you clearly have no idea how judges and attorneys interact. 

and somehow this is evidence of "collusion" but not what Trump did?

What does that have to do with LEAD INVESTIGATOR Peter Strzok?  Did you think he was an attorney?

Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) lawyer

I'm sorry I don't follow.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 16, 2018, 06:03:42 PM
Wow... The swamp just keeps getting swampier!!!

REVEALED: Peter Strzok Had Personal Relationship With Recused Judge In Michael Flynn Case


LOL...you clearly have no idea how judges and attorneys interact. 

and somehow this is evidence of "collusion" but not what Trump did?

What does that have to do with LEAD INVESTIGATOR Peter Strzok?  Did you think he was an attorney?

Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) lawyer

I'm sorry I don't follow.

Page was basically the DA and Strzok basically a cop.  They hang out with judges all the time.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 16, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
Just when you thought this crowd could not sink to new lows ... kicking someone in their pension like this.  I know people here will cheer this on like they do everything else their cult leader does , just hope you don't meet a fate similar to him when it comes to your own investment in your company's 401k/pension.


FBI’s McCabe is fired 26 hours before he could retire

Andrew McCabe, who had stepped down from his post as FBI deputy director earlier this year but remained an employee, had been a lightning rod in the political battles surrounding the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server and special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe. The firing will likely cost McCabe a significant portion of his retirement benefits.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on March 16, 2018, 08:22:35 PM
Petty and vindictive but we already knew that.

Also highlights that he's driven most rational voices out of his organization.  But we already knew that too.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 16, 2018, 09:59:01 PM
Really classy. Jeff Sessions fired him 1 day before he qualified for his full retirement benefits. Rex was found out he was going to be replaced on Twitter.

Forget going to the movies or watching telenovela (soap operas). Just follow trump and the Whitehouse.

Btw - Donald Jr. wife is filing for divorce

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/15/donald-trump-jr-s-wife-files-for-divorce-report.amp.html


Just when you thought this crowd could not sink to new lows ... kicking someone in their pension like this.  I know people here will cheer this on like they do everything else their cult leader does , just hope you don't meet a fate similar to him when it comes to your own investment in your company's 401k/pension.


FBI’s McCabe is fired 26 hours before he could retire

Andrew McCabe, who had stepped down from his post as FBI deputy director earlier this year but remained an employee, had been a lightning rod in the political battles surrounding the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server and special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe. The firing will likely cost McCabe a significant portion of his retirement benefits.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 17, 2018, 07:22:39 AM
Quote
@realDonaldTrump

Andrew McCabe FIRED, a great day for the hard working men and women of the FBI - A great day for Democracy. Sanctimonious James Comey was his boss and made McCabe look like a choirboy. He knew all about the lies and corruption going on at the highest levels of the FBI!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NowB4QPZR4
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 17, 2018, 07:45:05 AM
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@realDonaldTrump

Andrew McCabe FIRED, a great day for the hard working men and women of the FBI - A great day for Democracy. Sanctimonious James Comey was his boss and made McCabe look like a choirboy. He knew all about the lies and corruption going on at the highest levels of the FBI!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NowB4QPZR4

Trump makes it so obvious doesn’t he

Glad to be living in a banana republic

Who needs immigrants to destroy our culture - when we have old white billionaires like trump doing it everyday from within ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on March 19, 2018, 11:13:40 AM
Just when you thought this crowd could not sink to new lows ... kicking someone in their pension like this.  I know people here will cheer this on like they do everything else their cult leader does , just hope you don't meet a fate similar to him when it comes to your own investment in your company's 401k/pension.


FBI’s McCabe is fired 26 hours before he could retire

Andrew McCabe, who had stepped down from his post as FBI deputy director earlier this year but remained an employee, had been a lightning rod in the political battles surrounding the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server and special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe. The firing will likely cost McCabe a significant portion of his retirement benefits.

So if I leaked classified information to the news media and lied under oath about it, I would expect to be fired and lose my benefits.  It's only those at the top of the FBI (and other government agencies) that think they are above the law.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
More fake news to create headlines that make people believe a lie...

No, Andrew McCabe Isn't 'Losing His Pension'

In the news this weekend, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe had been fired.  And I'm not going to debate whether this was right or wrong, especially not in this forum.  But I wanted to address this as far as retirement issues are concerned.

The reports that are flying across the news, Twitter, and Facebook are that McCabe was just two days short of retirement and that this move by Sessions will, as, for instance, Vox, reports, "cost him his federal pension." On Twitter, Andrea Mitchell writes:

One suggestion from a McCabe supporter: if a friendly member of Congress hired him for a week he could possibly qualify for pension benefits by extending his service the extra days

and Massachusetts Congressman Seth Moulton tweeted in reply,

Would be happy to consider this. The Sixth District of MA would benefit from the wisdom and talent of such an experienced public servant.

Which all gives the impression of a veteran, elderly federal official being cheated out of his pension accruals due to a vindictive Trump administration.  But this didn't pass the sniff test.  Pensions -- public as well as private -- are required to meet certain vesting requirements, and, in fact, the FERS (Federal Employees Retirement System) benefits vest at five years, meaning that benefit accruals cannot be taken away.

In fact, McCabe is all of 49 years old, likely 50 by the time readers see this, and what he lost out on was, as CNN much more calmly recounts, the ability to take his benefits at age 50, rather than somewhere between age 57 and age 62, and he lost his eligibility to a special top-up in benefit formula.  These are, admittedly, tangible financial losses, but it is grossly misleading that various news outlets are giving the general public the impression that he has lost his pension entirely.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2018/03/17/no-andrew-mccabe-isnt-losing-his-pension/#7ca674b5236d (https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2018/03/17/no-andrew-mccabe-isnt-losing-his-pension/#7ca674b5236d)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 11, 2018, 08:28:10 PM
Does Bannon  have a law degree from trump university that we don’t know about ?


Bannon pitches White House on plan to cripple Mueller probe and protect Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bannon-pitches-white-house-on-plan-to-cripple-mueller-probe-and-protect-trump/2018/04/11/1ec5b1b2-3d9f-11e8-a7d1-e4efec6389f0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3b2af4264a9d
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on April 12, 2018, 06:11:41 AM
What? Mueller's raid on the lawyer was about the Access Hollywood tapes?  That's literally what the local NBC station just said.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 12, 2018, 07:04:57 AM
What? Mueller's raid on the lawyer was about the Access Hollywood tapes?  That's literally what the local NBC station just said.

Don’t know about that but there is at least 3 known hush money payments during the 2016 campaign that they are also interested  in

1. 130K to Stormy Daniels, who said she had an affair with Trump

2. 150K to Karen McDougal, who said she had an affair with Trump

3. 30K to Dino Sajudin, a doorman who said Trump fathered an illegitimate child
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on April 12, 2018, 07:20:09 AM
Just for giggles, let's say all of these payments - roughly $400k - fall into a "campaign finance law violation".

Should The Tang Menace get the same treatment his predecessor got?  You know... when POTUS 44 was caught with millions of dollars raised illegally?  The Obama Justice Department decided to reduce  the definition of the fundraising to less than a criminal act, yet the offenders paid a $375,000 penalty to the FEC and the issue went quietly away. Also, Obama wasn't impeached, unless it occurred in an alternative universe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8d32bab5a3ee (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8d32bab5a3ee)

If The Keebler Elf of an Attorney General pulls the same act and hits Trump with a fine at the same percentage basis that Obama had my guess is that it will be about $10,000. In most parts of the world, this is known as chump change.

This is nothing more than a self inflicted wound that the resistance feels a compelling need to de-bandage. It neither helps the Country move on, nor reaches their goal of impeachment.

My .02c

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 12, 2018, 07:27:00 AM
Just for giggles, let's say all of these payments - roughly $400k - fall into a "campaign finance law violation".

Should The Tang Menace get the same treatment his predecessor got?  You know... when POTUS 44 was caught with millions of dollars raised illegally?  The Obama Justice Department decided to reduce  the definition of the fundraising to less than a criminal act, yet the offenders paid a $375,000 penalty to the FEC and the issue went quietly away. Also, Obama wasn't impeached, unless it occurred in an alternative universe.

If The Keebler Elf of an Attorney General pulls the same act and hits Trump with a fine at the same percentage basis that Obama had my guess is that it will be about $10,000. Chump Change.

This is nothing more than a self inflicted wound that the resistance feels a compelling need to de-bandage. It neither helps the Country move on, nor reaches their goal of impeachment.

My .02c

If he didn’t do anything thing. Why is there rumors that he wants to fire him?
(reminds me of Nixon)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 12, 2018, 07:34:16 AM
I don’t think anyone is shooting for  impeachment (despite what you might hear otherwise ) , but it does keep all this in the headlines right through the midterms — which is the other desired effect .

Ultimately it is not changing minds of hard core gop supporters (like many on this forum ) but it will inflict some damage with suburban white woman and independents

We will just have to wait until November to find out .
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on April 12, 2018, 07:42:52 AM
I don’t think anyone is shooting for  impeachment (despite what you might hear otherwise ) , but it does keep all this in the headlines right through the midterms — which is the other desired effect .

Ultimately it is not changing minds of hard core gop supporters (like many on this forum ) but it will inflict some damage with suburban white woman and independents

We will just have to wait until November to find out .

Oh, so it's just political muckraking...

You must not have had your coffee today because I think you just spoke the truth about using a special prosecutor to raid the lawyer of a sitting (unliked) President to score point with a voting block in the mid-terms.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 12, 2018, 07:52:08 AM
I don’t think anyone is shooting for  impeachment (despite what you might hear otherwise ) , but it does keep all this in the headlines right through the midterms — which is the other desired effect .

Ultimately it is not changing minds of hard core gop supporters (like many on this forum ) but it will inflict some damage with suburban white woman and independents

We will just have to wait until November to find out .

Oh, so it's just political muckraking...

You must not have had your coffee today because I think you just spoke the truth about using a special prosecutor to raid the lawyer of a sitting (unliked) President to score point with a voting block in the mid-terms.

Unlike many others on this forum , I don’t always filter everything through a partisan lens , coffee or not :)  —  just take a look at my comments re jerry brown and CA on the other thread . Now like everyone else I do have  preferences but they can change depending on who is in charge (ie  Romney versus trump )

This is pure objective impact analysis . Now whether it is justified or not , we are yet to find out

Political impact can be an outcome of a legitimate investigation as well .

The thing is GOP is actually much better positioned than dems in this regard because of their generally low information voter base (Fox News oriented ) . Dems have their own bigger problems , purity litmus test warriors snd lack of unity , among them .
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on April 12, 2018, 08:27:02 AM
I've give you that dogmatic Trump supporters are operating out of a alternate set of universe facts in many cases.  As I've said before I've seen many that don't even require a sniff test.

I also see the Dem side, they the koolaid just as bad.  The Dem propaganda is better polished but still plays the same tired knee jerk emotional chords.

It'll be an interesting mid-term, both parties are radicalizing towards the fringe.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 12, 2018, 08:28:34 AM

There is actually a website setup by Republican National committee — lyincomey.com in advance of comeys book tour

There is clearly no adults left in the room ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 12, 2018, 08:34:26 AM
I've give you that dogmatic Trump supporters are operating out of a alternate set of universe facts in many cases.  As I've said before I've seen many that don't even require a sniff test.

I also see the Dem side, they the koolaid just as bad.  The Dem propaganda is better polished but still plays the same tired knee jerk emotional chords.

It'll be an interesting mid-term, both parties are radicalizing towards the fringe.

I disagree.   The equivalency is not even close.  The GOP is basically not doing anything more and letting Trump do whatever he wants.   Dems' problem has always been sticking to a specific set of goals and then having the backbone to carry them out.  Even when they get in power, they cannot unite to push through a proper agenda.   

I think Dems are in need of new blood and this new crop of candidates are promising.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 12, 2018, 08:39:59 AM
Irvinecommuter is on the money here

Ultimately life boils down to relative value choices given the constraints you have

Just as buying in OH versus great park or Tustin legacy

On that relative value metric there is no contest as things stand today — dems are a much better choice to control trumps worst impulses , since gop is now trumps party effectively
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on April 12, 2018, 09:02:44 AM
The primary reason Muller should be fired is that he's an unguided missile. Zip a dee doo dah has been produced on "Russian Interference and or Trump Collusion" with the election. Have their been guilty pleas? Sure. On things having nothing to do with the election.

In a best possible scenario, Trump fires Muller, et al, on a Monday, then re-hires him on Tuesday with a specific and narrow goal to answer this question ONLY - Was there collusion by the Trump election with Russia during the 2016 election? He can solve that question in a week or so.

But... but... Clinton was impeached for an affair... But... but Nixon was impeached for high crimes... No, dear reader, Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Trump has never been deposed on this affair. As well, dear reader, Nixon was never impeached, but resigned to save the Presidency.

Nixon did some unethical things but his only crime (IMHO) was getting caught doing so. That doesn't make what was done right. It only means that many people in the resistance don't understand that every single administration is capable of what a Kennedy, a Johnson, a  Nixon, a Reagan, a Clinton, a Bush (I and II), or an Obama administration did while in power. Those most often opposed to what Trump has been accused of doing (or done in real life...) who think his behavior as new or unique must exist in a fantasy world, a bubble that will be popping soon. To underscore, I'm not saying "everyone does it, therefore it's right", only that I'm not surprised by it.

My .02c 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 12, 2018, 09:09:21 AM
...

The primary reason Muller should be fired is that he's an unguided missile. Zip a dee doo dah has been produced on "Russian Interference and or Trump Collusion" with the election. Have their been guilty pleas? Sure. On things having nothing to do with the election.

In a best possible scenario, Trump fires Muller, et al, on a Monday, then re-hires him on Tuesday with a specific and narrow goal to answer this question ONLY - Was there collusion by the Trump election with Russia during the 2016 election? He can solve that question in a week or so.

But... but... Clinton was impeached for an affair... But... but Nixon was impeached for high crimes... No, dear reader, Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Trump has never been deposed on this affair. As well, dear reader, Nixon was never impeached, but resigned to save the Presidency. Nixon did some unethical things but his only crime (IMHO) was getting caught doing so.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 12, 2018, 09:58:40 AM
The primary reason Muller should be fired is that he's an unguided missile. Zip a dee doo dah has been produced on "Russian Interference and or Trump Collusion" with the election. Have their been guilty pleas? Sure. On things having nothing to do with the election.

In a best possible scenario, Trump fires Muller, et al, on a Monday, then re-hires him on Tuesday with a specific and narrow goal to answer this question ONLY - Was there collusion by the Trump election with Russia during the 2016 election? He can solve that question in a week or so.

But... but... Clinton was impeached for an affair... But... but Nixon was impeached for high crimes... No, dear reader, Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Trump has never been deposed on this affair. As well, dear reader, Nixon was never impeached, but resigned to save the Presidency.

Nixon did some unethical things but his only crime (IMHO) was getting caught doing so. That doesn't make what was done right. It only means that if you don't understand that every administration is capable of what a Kennedy, a Johnson, a Nixon, a Reagan, a Clinton, a Bush (I and II), or an Obama administration did while in power, you live in a fantasy world, a bubble that will be popping soon.

My .02c

Hmmm...Clinton's impeachment came as a result of investigation that started with Ken Starr looking into the Whitewater dealing...and ended up with Monica Lewinsky.

Nixon's issue was not the Watergate break in...it was that he obstructed justice at the highest level.   That is what Trump is doing.

You understand that Mueller doesn't answer to Trump..he answers to Rosenstein.  Trump firing both of them to stop the investigation would be basically an admission of obstruction of justice.

I usually agree with Soy but man is this post off.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 12, 2018, 10:11:35 AM
Compared to what’s going on now , watergate should be downgraded to a misdemeanor :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on April 12, 2018, 10:29:41 AM
We're a-ok to disagree IrvineCommuter, as long as it's not disagreeable, and I modded the original post for clarity and less finger pointiness which was not my intention.

Yes, the Clinton impeachment also went way off the rails. That's a problem when a Special Counsel (SC)  is appointed. Same thing happened with the SC on Iran Contra. That one blew up the Bush 1/Clinton election when the SC indicted Casper Weinberger in June of 1992 - kinda like what Comey did with the whole Clinton E-mail deal with virtually the same timeline!  Since the Tang Menace has never been put under oath, chasing down his attorney data over what was a sordid affair isn't going to become an impeachable offense. Trump may be a cheezy guy, but that's not enough to impeach. It was in the case of Clinton as he was deposed and under oath. Once the lie was told, by a lawyer who should know better, there needed to be some penalty. Clinton was legally impeached, but not thrown from office, because I think those in the Senate at the time realized it was a pretty thin overall case to begin with.

Nixon obstructed justice. No quibble there. Is he the sole example of Presidential malfeasance? Hardly. If the same standards pushed on Nixon were applied to almost every other administration, they'd all be in jail. Perhaps that's not a bad thing after all......

The Special Counsel (SC) should have been hired for one job, and one job only - to determine if there was any credible collusion between the Trump campaign and a foreign power - that's the question to resolve. Do I care if Paul Manaforte was a paid agent of a foreign power? Not really. Do I care that Erik Prince was trying to establish a back channel to Russia right after the election, as every party and president does? No. I do not care.

I do care about the endless investigation process, spreading as far and as wide as possible without any check or balances - no matter the party in power. The SC is being used as noted by others to keep the anger going through the 2018 mid terms. That's wrong IMHO. If we need any clearer example, albeit in micro form, has anyone heard much about the Roy Moore child rape investigation lately? No. Since that election is over, there isn't going to be an investigation. My guess is that once the House flips in November, the same thing may occur.

This is all becoming much ado about nothing, for the ends justify the means in this case. That's our present situation and one I grow weary of day by day.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 12, 2018, 10:33:11 AM
We're a-ok to disagree IrvineCommuter, as long as it's not disagreeable!

Yes, the Clinton impeachment also went way off the rails. That's a problem when a Special Counsel (SC)  is appointed. Same thing happened with the SC on Iran Contra. That one blew up the Bush 1/Clinton election when the SC indicted Casper Weinberger in June of 1992 - kinda like what Comey did with the whole Clinton E-mail deal with virtually the same timeline!  Since the Tang Menace has never been put under oath, chasing down his attorney data over what was a sordid affair isn't going to become an impeachable offense. Trump may be a cheezy guy, but that's not enough to impeach. It was in the case of Clinton as he was deposed and under oath. Once the lie was told, by a lawyer who should know better, there needed to be some penalty. Clinton was legally impeached, but not thrown from office, because I think those in the Senate at the time realized it was a pretty thin overall case to begin with.

Nixon obstructed justice. No quibble there. Is he the sole example of Presidential malfeasance? Hardly. If the same standards pushed on Nixon were applied to almost every other administration, they'd all be in jail. Perhaps that's not a bad thing after all......

The Special Counsel (SC) should have been hired for one job, and one job only - to determine if there was any credible collusion between the Trump campaign and a foreign power - that's the question to resolve. Do I care if Paul Manaforte was a paid agent of a foreign power? Not really. Do I care that Erik Prince was trying to establish a back channel to Russia right after the election, as every party and president does? No. I do not care.

I do care about the endless investigation process, spreading as far and as wide as possible without any check or balances - no matter the party in power. The SC is being used as noted by others to keep the anger going through the 2018 mid terms. That's wrong IMHO. If we need any clearer example, albeit in micro form, has anyone heard much about the Roy Moore child rape investigation lately? No. Since that election is over, there isn't going to be an investigation. My guess is that once the House flips in November, the same thing may occur.

This is all becoming much ado about nothing, for the ends justify the means in this case. That's our present situation.

I would just say that we know like 10% of what Mueller is doing.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on April 12, 2018, 11:12:20 AM
There is also a second investigation going on to determine whether the FBI/DOJ abused their power.  Sessions is doing more behind the scenes than most Republicans give him credit for.  The inspector general is doing the investigating and Sessions has appointed a US Attorney as a special prosecutor to handle criminal referrals from the IG.  There's also likely a grand jury seated.

Andy McCabe's firing for lying under oath 4 separate times was just scratching the surface.  He is the first casualty of the IG's investigation.  Things are about to get real for all the swamp players that thought the law didn't apply to them.  I'm curious whether Comey will be swept up in it or not.  We know he leaked illegally, so what else has he done?

If we only know 10% of what Mueller is doing, we've only heard about 2% of what the IG/Special Prosecutor/Grand Jury are working on.  The IG's first set of reports was due to come out in March/April and we are already half way through April, so some more bombshells are coming soon to a theater near you.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 12, 2018, 08:17:14 PM
SNL beautifully captures everything in last weekends cold open.  Absolutely hilarious

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1iCm8tYX-Vw
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 13, 2018, 08:45:33 AM
NOTHINGBURGER JUST GOT A LOT MEATIER!

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Trump's Lawyer May Have Stored 'Gold Mine' Of Recorded Conversations: Report
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President Donald Trump’s longtime personal attorney Michael Cohen was known to tape conversations with associates and store them ― and Trump’s allies are now worried the FBI has those files after raiding Cohen’s offices this week, The Washington Post reported Thursday.

An unidentified Trump adviser told the outlet that Cohen, who has worked with Trump for decades, had a “proclivity to make tapes” of private conversations and store them digitally.

The Post said it was unclear if Cohen had taped any conversations with Trump. But a source said it was Cohen’s “standard practice” to play recordings for the president that he’d made of other top advisers. New York is a one-party consent state, meaning Cohen could legally record any phone conversation without the other person’s knowledge.

Experts described the recordings as a potential “gold mine” in interviews with the Post, saying that if they exist and are admissible in court, they could prove extremely valuable to prosecutors.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-lawyer-may-stored-005121624.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on April 13, 2018, 08:55:21 AM
Burn then all down and while you're at it find the proof where the forgiven debt went and who's holding it.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 13, 2018, 09:13:37 AM
and if if's and buts were sugar and nuts...

"Experts described the recordings as a potential “gold mine” in interviews with the Post, saying that if they exist and are admissible in court, they could prove extremely valuable to prosecutors."
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on April 13, 2018, 09:37:12 AM
SNL beautifully captures everything in last weekends cold open.  Absolutely hilarious

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1iCm8tYX-Vw

His Trump impersonation was fun the first 2-3 times, but it's gotten seriously repetitive.  I tried watching SNL a couple of times when the latest season started and it was just plain boring.  Nothing to laugh at.  I would much rather watch old reruns of Key & Peele.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 13, 2018, 10:01:39 AM
SNL beautifully captures everything in last weekends cold open.  Absolutely hilarious

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1iCm8tYX-Vw

His Trump impersonation was fun the first 2-3 times, but it's gotten seriously repetitive.  I tried watching SNL a couple of times when the latest season started and it was just plain boring.  Nothing to laugh at.  I would much rather watch old reruns of Key & Peele.

I have to agree w you and Trump on that - I think Hammond would be a much better impersonator than Alec Baldwin

But it is still a very funny skit owing to the excellent writers at SNL

and man, that Fox News host (Leslie Jones) is just too good :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on April 13, 2018, 10:17:15 AM
SNL beautifully captures everything in last weekends cold open.  Absolutely hilarious

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1iCm8tYX-Vw

His Trump impersonation was fun the first 2-3 times, but it's gotten seriously repetitive.  I tried watching SNL a couple of times when the latest season started and it was just plain boring.  Nothing to laugh at.  I would much rather watch old reruns of Key & Peele.

I have to agree w you and Trump on that - I think Hammond would be a much better impersonator than Alec Baldwin

But it is still a very funny skit owing to the excellent writers at SNL

and man, that Fox News host (Leslie Jones) is just too good :)

I'll watch this skit since you've recommended it.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 13, 2018, 11:17:46 AM
What's up w the party of family values and all these pornstars / playmates

Trump Lawyer Arranged GOP Fundraiser's Payment to Playmate: WSJ
By Jeffrey D Grocott

-- Michael Cohen, the longtime personal lawyer to President Donald Trump who arranged a nondisclosure payment to porn actress Stormy Daniels, also helped a top Republican donor negotiate a payment to a former Playboy Playmate, the Wall Street Journal reported.
The fundraiser, Elliott Broidy, agreed in late 2017 to pay $1.6 million to the woman, who said she had been impregnated by Broidy, the paper said, citing people familiar with the matter.
The deal prohibited the Los Angeles woman from disclosing the alleged relationship with Broidy, the paper said. The woman chose to terminate the pregnancy, Broidy said in a statement supplied to the Journal.
The Broidy agreement used the pseudonyms David Dennison and Peggy Peterson, the paper reported. Those were the same pseudonyms used in the agreement that Cohen arranged for Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford. That deal, which Trump didn’t sign, is the subject of a continuing arbitration and court battle.
Broidy and Cohen serve as deputy fundraising chairs for the Republican National Committee.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on April 13, 2018, 12:54:45 PM
What's up w the party of family values and all these pornstars / playmates

Trump Lawyer Arranged GOP Fundraiser's Payment to Playmate: WSJ
By Jeffrey D Grocott

-- Michael Cohen, the longtime personal lawyer to President Donald Trump who arranged a nondisclosure payment to porn actress Stormy Daniels, also helped a top Republican donor negotiate a payment to a former Playboy Playmate, the Wall Street Journal reported.
The fundraiser, Elliott Broidy, agreed in late 2017 to pay $1.6 million to the woman, who said she had been impregnated by Broidy, the paper said, citing people familiar with the matter.
The deal prohibited the Los Angeles woman from disclosing the alleged relationship with Broidy, the paper said. The woman chose to terminate the pregnancy, Broidy said in a statement supplied to the Journal.
The Broidy agreement used the pseudonyms David Dennison and Peggy Peterson, the paper reported. Those were the same pseudonyms used in the agreement that Cohen arranged for Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford. That deal, which Trump didn’t sign, is the subject of a continuing arbitration and court battle.
Broidy and Cohen serve as deputy fundraising chairs for the Republican National Committee.

So after the unprecedented step of raiding the President's lawyer's office, the leaks have already begun.  Their motives are becoming transparent now.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 16, 2018, 12:02:52 PM
Ha  Ha  Ha  .... this is unbelievable ....  how can anyone  top this comedy

Sean Hannity Is Named as Cohen’s Third Client: Cohen Update

A gasp was heard in the courtroom when a Cohen lawyer disclosed the name of the third client: Sean Hannity.
Hannity is a Fox News host and has been one of the president’s most vocal on-air defenders. and a critic of Mueller’s probe. Trump often calls Hannity after his Fox News program, according to media reports.
“I understand he doesn’t want his name out there, but that isn’t the law,” Judge Wood said
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on April 25, 2018, 10:56:13 AM
ruh roh... Comey has added another lawyer to his legal team.  I'm sure all fired FBI directors need 3 lawyers representing them.  No big deal.

Comey taps former US attorney as personal lawyer
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/384691-comey-taps-former-us-attorney-as-personal-lawyer-report
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: StarmanMBA on April 25, 2018, 08:25:12 PM
ruh roh... Comey has added another lawyer to his legal team.  I'm sure all fired FBI directors need 3 lawyers representing them.  No big deal.

Comey taps former US attorney as personal lawyer
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/384691-comey-taps-former-us-attorney-as-personal-lawyer-report

You're good, LL.  You drive the Leftists even crazier.  I love it.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 26, 2018, 10:08:15 AM
I guess Trump tells Fox and Friends that Cohen represented him regarding Stormy.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 27, 2018, 10:24:36 AM
So Senate and now House investigations are closed with no finding of "Collusion" (not even a real charge).  That pretty much just leaves Mueller.  What happens when his closes with similar findings and a few low level scalps?

GOP-led House panel officially clears Trump in Russia probe

“While the committee found no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded, coordinated, or conspired with the Russian government, the investigation did find poor judgment and ill-considered actions by the Trump and Clinton campaigns,” the House Intelligence Committee wrote.

https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4/GOP-led-House-panel-officially-clears-Trump-in-Russia-probe (https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4/GOP-led-House-panel-officially-clears-Trump-in-Russia-probe)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 27, 2018, 10:46:27 AM
So Senate and now House investigations are closed with no finding of "Collusion" (not even a real charge).  That pretty much just leaves Mueller.  What happens when his closes with similar findings and a few low level scalps?

GOP-led House panel officially clears Trump in Russia probe

“While the committee found no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded, coordinated, or conspired with the Russian government, the investigation did find poor judgment and ill-considered actions by the Trump and Clinton campaigns,” the House Intelligence Committee wrote.

https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4/GOP-led-House-panel-officially-clears-Trump-in-Russia-probe (https://apnews.com/8b95a7cf7bcb4585b00c038be2257ba4/GOP-led-House-panel-officially-clears-Trump-in-Russia-probe)

won't happen until december  ;)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on April 27, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
Declassified Congressional Report: James Clapper Lied About Dossier Leaks To CNN
A newly declassified report on Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections reveals that former intelligence chief James Clapper lied to Congress about information he shared with CNN on the infamous Steele dossier.
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Buried within a newly declassified congressional report on Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. elections is a shocking revelation: former Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper not only leaked information about the infamous Steele dossier and high-level government briefings about it to CNN, he also may have lied to Congress about the matter.

In one of the findings within the 253-page report, the House intelligence committee wrote that Clapper leaked details of a dossier briefing given to then-President-elect Donald Trump to CNN’s Jake Tapper, lied to Congress about the leak, and was rewarded with a CNN contract a few months later.

“Clapper flatly denied ‘discussing[ing] the dossier [compiled by Steele] or any other intelligence related to Russia hacking of the 2016 election with journalists,'” the committee found.

When asked directly whether he had ever discussed the dossier with any journalists, Clapper replied that he had not, according to a transcript of the proceedings:

MR. ROONEY: Did you discuss the dossier or any other intelligence related to Russia hacking of the 2016 election with journalists?

MR. CLAPPER: No.

The former DNI later changed his story after he was confronted specifically about his communications with Jake Tapper of CNN.

“Clapper subsequently acknowledged discussing the ‘dossier with CNN journalist Jake Tapper,’ and admitted that he might have spoken with other journalists about the same topic,” the report continued. “Clapper’s discussion with Tapper took place in early January 2017, around the time IC leaders briefed President Obama and President-elect Trump, on ‘the Christopher Steele information,’ a two-page summary of which was ‘enclosed in’ the highly-classified version of the ICA,” or intelligence community assessment.

The briefing of Trump by U.S. intelligence chiefs was held on January 6. CNN published its story on the briefing, based on anonymous leaks from “two national security officials,” on January 10. BuzzFeed published the full dossier, which was jointly funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, minutes after the CNN story was published.

The revelation that Clapper was responsible for leaking details of both the dossier and briefings to two presidents on the matter is significant, because former Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) director James Comey wrote in one of four memos that he leaked that the briefing of Trump on salacious and unverified allegations from the dossier was necessary because “CNN had them and were looking for a news hook.”

The congressional report on Russian interference noted that it was this very briefing of Trump that multiple media organizations used as an excuse to publish the unverified dossier.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/27/house-intel-report-james-clapper-lied-dossier-leaks-cnn/

Notice the circular justifications used by our "public servants" in the intelligence community.

1. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper briefs CNN anchor Jake Tapper on the 'pee' dossier prior to President-elect Trump ever being briefed.

2. James Comey uses the knowledge that CNN has been briefed as the excuse for why Trump needs to be briefed about the 'pee' dossier.

3. CNN uses the fact that Trump has been briefed as justification to break the dossier story to the public.  Effectively, briefing Trump made the "unverified and salacious" document newsworthy.

4. Buzzfeed uses the CNN story as cover and publishes the full "salacious and unverified" document to the public.

5. DNI Clapper personally profits by becoming a paid CNN commentator soon after.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 27, 2018, 12:08:15 PM
clapper / cnn collusion confirmed
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 03, 2018, 10:34:00 AM
So did Trump pay Stormy or not? Lol
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 03, 2018, 10:40:57 AM
Here's what's happened when past presidents have been subpoenaed:
— Jefferson declined to comply but ultimately produced some material in the treason trial of his former vice president, Aaron Burr.

— Nixon resigned and the issue went away.

— The Clinton subpoena was withdrawn when he agreed to testify voluntarily.


Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna870876
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 03, 2018, 11:26:00 AM
Here's what's happened when past presidents have been subpoenaed:
— Jefferson declined to comply but ultimately produced some material in the treason trial of his former vice president, Aaron Burr.

— Nixon resigned and the issue went away.

— The Clinton subpoena was withdrawn when he agreed to testify voluntarily.


Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna870876

Normally, if you or I refused to comply with a subpoena we would be at risk of jail time or fines.  Since the president can't be prosecuted, it would be incumbent upon the House to impeach Trump, and for the Senate to remove him from office with a 2/3 vote.  Does anybody really believe that is going to happen here?

The only leverage Mueller has against Trump is his children.  I wouldn't be surprised if he threatens to prosecute Ivanka, Jared, and Don Jr. in order to force Trump's cooperation.  That's the type of scum Mueller is based on other prosecutions he's been involved with.  The US government (you and I) have paid out over $100 million in damages to those that Mueller has had falsely imprisoned over the years.  The Whitey Bulger case, the 9/11 anthrax case, and the Scooter Libby case are all examples of Mueller imprisoning innocent people.

The problem with threatening Trump's children is they could simply be pardoned anyway, just as Scooter Libby was.  Mueller literally has no legal leverage against Trump.

The only thing Mueller can hope to do is present a case to the American public that Trump is dirty enough to warrant an impeachment hearing and removal from office.  The problem there is polling shows the public beginning to turn on Mueller.  People believe that if real crimes had occurred, they would have come to light by now, and they don't like that this investigation has dragged on for more than a year with no end in sight.

The initial rage from Democrats after losing the election is also starting to wear off.  People have moved on with their lives and the #resist movement is foundering.  Those that are still engaged politically have turned their hopes to the midterms for redemption and political payback.

In a strange way, Comey has helped with all this.  His book tour backfired big time, and now people are questioning why a special counsel was ever named in the first place.  Comey's sinking reputation is dragging Mueller's down with it.

Giuliani is smart to be playing the cards he is now.  He's an experienced prosecutor and senses blood in the water where Mueller is concerned.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 03, 2018, 12:26:21 PM
Gotta say —- It is quite clever how the Deep State got Rudy Giuliani to show the world that Trump and Cohen lied about the payment to Stormy Daniels.

And they used Hannity for this operation — Fiendishly smart.  Liberals are totally wrong about the right being incompetent :)


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/03/white-house-trump-giuliani-damage-control-566048


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on May 03, 2018, 01:00:41 PM
Wait... wait... hold the phone for a moment... You're saying that there is a President of the United States who lied? WOW. Where's my fainting couch.

I know many are saying PERJURY!!! but are also hard pressed to show when POTUS was ever put under oath on this issue. Some are saying CAMPAIGN FINANCE RULES WERE BROKEN!!! but are equally hard pressed to raise the same volume level over Obama's campaign finance law breaking. (The WAPO downplays the story with a disingenuous headline... still I'm not surprised about this and don't care about this either)

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6ac97d61a400 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6ac97d61a400)

So what we have here is zip a dee do on collusion. We're chasing down a decade old possible affair (zzzzz) and a NDA that one party has decided not to abide by. That's what we've been spending money on. I hope it has all been worth it for some readers out there. The rest of us have moved on.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 03, 2018, 01:06:35 PM
Yes I am well aware that given the right leaning biases of the most prolific posters on the forum and also of the sponsor(s) , we need to  "move on" on from subjects that make them uncomfortable .... totally get it

Maybe we should re-label this forum "talk-right Irvine" :) 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 03, 2018, 01:08:54 PM
Maybe we should re-label this forum "talk-right Irvine" :)

I would stick to the Seinfeld clips if I were you.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 03, 2018, 01:15:48 PM
Hi Soy: the stories keeps on changing. Don’t you find it amusing?
(Stormy, Comey firing, is Cohen a business partner or lawyer?)


Wait... wait... hold the phone for a moment... You're saying that there is a President of the United States who lied? WOW. Where's my fainting couch.

I know many are saying PERJURY!!! but are also hard pressed to show when POTUS was ever put under oath on this issue. Some are saying CAMPAIGN FINANCE RULES WERE BROKEN!!! but are equally hard pressed to raise the same volume level over Obama's campaign finance law breaking. (The WAPO downplays the story with a disingenuous headline... still I'm not surprised about this and don't care about this either)

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6ac97d61a400 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6ac97d61a400)

So what we have here is zip a dee do on collusion. We're chasing down a decade old possible affair (zzzzz) and a NDA that one party has decided not to abide by. That's what we've been spending money on. I hope it has all been worth it for some readers out there. The rest of us have moved on.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 03, 2018, 01:22:05 PM
Maybe we should re-label this forum "talk-right Irvine" :)

I would stick to the Seinfeld clips if I were you.

Cant post too many Seinfeld clips - then you will start claiming we are in a Seinfeld clip bubble ...  cant keep track of all your bubbles btw

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 03, 2018, 01:25:25 PM
Hi Soy: the stories keeps on changing. Don’t you find it amusing?
(Stormy, Comey firing, is Cohen a business partner or lawyer?)


Wait... wait... hold the phone for a moment... You're saying that there is a President of the United States who lied? WOW. Where's my fainting couch.

I know many are saying PERJURY!!! but are also hard pressed to show when POTUS was ever put under oath on this issue. Some are saying CAMPAIGN FINANCE RULES WERE BROKEN!!! but are equally hard pressed to raise the same volume level over Obama's campaign finance law breaking. (The WAPO downplays the story with a disingenuous headline... still I'm not surprised about this and don't care about this either)

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6ac97d61a400 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6ac97d61a400)

So what we have here is zip a dee do on collusion. We're chasing down a decade old possible affair (zzzzz) and a NDA that one party has decided not to abide by. That's what we've been spending money on. I hope it has all been worth it for some readers out there. The rest of us have moved on.

My .02c

Exactly

And I know I am committing heresy on this forum by challenging SGIP -- but if "most people" have moved on, why do they feel the need to keep responding to this thread ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 03, 2018, 01:29:08 PM
Hi Soy: the stories keeps on changing. Don’t you find it amusing?
(Stormy, Comey firing, is Cohen a business partner or lawyer?)

Trump is a lot like Bill Clinton in this regard.  I do find it amusing that Democrats are tied up in knots about it, yet seemed to have no problems with Clinton lying about it 20 years ago.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 03, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
Hi Soy: the stories keeps on changing. Don’t you find it amusing?
(Stormy, Comey firing, is Cohen a business partner or lawyer?)

Trump is a lot like Bill Clinton in this regard.  I do find it amusing that Democrats are tied up in knots about it, yet seemed to have no problem with Clinton lying about it 20 years ago.

I’m not defending Billy Bob.  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 03, 2018, 01:31:43 PM
Hi Soy: the stories keeps on changing. Don’t you find it amusing?
(Stormy, Comey firing, is Cohen a business partner or lawyer?)

Trump is a lot like Bill Clinton in this regard.  I do find it amusing that Democrats are tied up in knots about it, yet seemed to have no problems with Clinton lying about it 20 years ago.

The issue is not Democrats who care .  It is Trump himself

He cant stop tweeting about it or defending it

No one forced Giuliani to go on Hannity to generate the news cycle he did yesterday

It is all self inflicted damage - don't blame democrats or anyone else for it
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 03, 2018, 01:33:51 PM
No one forced Giuliani to go on Hannity to generate the news cycle he did yesterday

Oh no?  You apparently don't know 10-dimensional chess when you see it.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 03, 2018, 01:42:27 PM
I think he will take the 5th amendment. (IF it goes that far)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 03, 2018, 01:47:38 PM
No one forced Giuliani to go on Hannity to generate the news cycle he did yesterday

Oh no?  You apparently don't know 10-dimensional chess when you see it.

Huh, does this even mean anything ? What do you want me to say

Maybe you are you trying  to be all clever and funny here -- but I am not that sophisticated - I don't package mortgage bonds for a living  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on May 03, 2018, 02:10:35 PM
Eyephone

Yes, the story keeps changing. I still don't care. This is much ado about nothing. The Russian Collusion story has collapsed in upon itself, and the Left cannot find anything other than a 10 year old possible affair with a stripper who cannot abide by her NDA as a reason for impeachment? Good luck with that.

But... But.. CONVICTIONS.. and GUILTY PLEAS... for things that have zero to do with the election. It's all so much signal to noise ratios for me. At present no one can hear anything of substance because of all of the noise this stuff makes. I will grant the obvious - the Tang Menace needs to vet who he chums around with a bit more carefully. Impeachable offense yet? Not really.

I'm more concerned about a fractured immigration system, Green Beret's in Saudi Arabia ( https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/us/politics/green-berets-saudi-yemen-border-houthi.html ) A ginned up Syria operation, and the feds fiscal policy being driven over a cliff.

while again, some wish to flog the bishop over a decade old possible affair, and the hush money all people of means - male or female - pay all the time to keep this kind of stuff from blossoming out of control. zzzzzzzzzzz

Yes, it's time to move on past this present Cohen / Daniels and deal with real issues.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 03, 2018, 02:15:01 PM
Move past Cohen?
Stay tuned it has just begun.  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 03, 2018, 02:19:29 PM
Hypothetical:
If the “Mueller Investgation” goes to grand jury - he will testify in front of 23 jurors with none of his lawyers in the room.

(Let’s go the grand jury route!)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on May 03, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
For discussion purposes, why would this go to a Grand Jury?

This is a civil matter between two parties about an NDA - unless I'm missing something. There may be a question of how $130k got from Point A to Point B. As seen in earlier FEC action only minor fines relative to the amount of funds at question were ever charged to the defendant.

So it goes to a GJ - sure, beyond mere entertainment value, what's the end result? What is expected in the best case scenario for those interested in this? From all that's known and whispered about at present, that POTUS.... what?

Frankly speaking, I'm more amazed at anyone who is actually surprised that POTUS's do things that are unbecoming of a President.  Doesn't make it right. I'm not saying that. I'm saying only these things do not rise to the level of impeachment, and that there are significantly more important things to expend energy on than this.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 03, 2018, 03:12:41 PM
Im talking about the Mueller investigation.

For discussion purposes, why would this go to a Grand Jury?

This is a civil matter between two parties about an NDA - unless I'm missing something. There may be a question of how $130k got from Point A to Point B. As seen in earlier FEC action only minor fines relative to the amount of funds at question were ever charged to the defendant.

So it goes to a GJ - sure, beyond mere entertainment value, what's the end result? What is expected in the best case scenario for those interested in this? From all that's known and whispered about at present, that POTUS.... what?

Frankly speaking, I'm more amazed at anyone who is actually surprised that POTUS's do things that are unbecoming of a President.  Doesn't make it right. I'm not saying that. I'm saying only these things do not rise to the level of impeachment, and that there are significantly more important things to expend energy on than this.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 03, 2018, 03:41:18 PM
Hypothetical:
If the “Mueller Investgation” goes to grand jury - he will testify in front of 23 jurors with none of his lawyers in the room.

(Let’s go the grand jury route!)

It's fun to dream, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on May 03, 2018, 03:43:42 PM
OK... but what is Muller investigating -

That Cohen is not a good lawyer? Is that impeachable? Not really.

That the Rabid Orangutan paid $130k as a "retainer" - is that impeachable? Still no.

That the POTUS has not associated with "the best people" - eh...still not impeachable.

I know some will say "Bill and Hill were pursued by a Special Counsel about Whitewater, but all they ended up with was a blue stained dress". True, but merely 1/2 of it. The Clintons ran out the clock on the Special Counsel, having all the notes and documents magically appear, complete with HRC's fingerprints, in the White House after all interest was lost. The Blue Dress was "contemporary" - within the years the SC was operating. This Daniels thing is a decade old.  Two very different situations when you also consider that Ken Starr's investigation was expanded by a 3 judge panel to include Lewinsky, while Muller is ricocheting in every direction without such controls in place.

The one commonality that may play out? Clinton pardoned one of the Whitewater Special Counsel convicts, as I suspect Trump will do as well once this is all over and done with.

So if this did go to a Grand Jury, for what cause or reason?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 03, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
Hypothetical:
If the “Mueller Investgation” goes to grand jury - he will testify in front of 23 jurors with none of his lawyers in the room.

(Let’s go the grand jury route!)

It's fun to dream, isn't it?

This is actually more realistic than you believing that Kanye West has magically  converted the black community into rabid trump supporters
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 03, 2018, 04:32:01 PM
Hypothetical:
If the “Mueller Investgation” goes to grand jury - he will testify in front of 23 jurors with none of his lawyers in the room.

(Let’s go the grand jury route!)

It's fun to dream, isn't it?

This is actually more realistic than you believing that Kanye West has magically  converted the black community into rabid trump supporters

Kanye didn't convert the black community into rabid Trump supporters.  They already were.

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/trump-minority-collage-african-american.jpg?w=640&h=570)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 03, 2018, 05:07:19 PM
Hypothetical:
If the “Mueller Investgation” goes to grand jury - he will testify in front of 23 jurors with none of his lawyers in the room.

(Let’s go the grand jury route!)

It's fun to dream, isn't it?

This is actually more realistic than you believing that Kanye West has magically  converted the black community into rabid trump supporters

Kanye didn't convert the black community into rabid Trump supporters.  They already were.

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/trump-minority-collage-african-american.jpg?w=640&h=570)

“that’s one giant bond bubble you living in brothuh ... “

— Stringer Bell , 2002
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Loco_local on May 03, 2018, 06:39:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGhdoJbVwAAvEZf?format=jpg)

Donald Trump Retweeted a Reportedly Fake Twitter Account

On August 5, President Donald Trump was accused of communicating online with a bot, who he thanked via Twitter, linking to the now-suspended account of what some are calling a fake user.
As Heavy reported, the now-suspended account, @ProTrump45, was advertised as that of "Nicole Mincey," whose bio described her as a "black conservative" from New Jersey and an entrepeneur in charge of a pro-Trump merchandise store.

"Trump working hard for the American people...thanks," read the original tweet, which included an image of the president and a heart emoji, according to Newsweek.

Trump relied to say thank you, and Twitter users were quick to point out that the photo used for "Mincey's" profile picture actually was a stock photo taken of a model posing for Placeit, a company that specializes in customized apparel and technology.

The original account was reportedly created using the name of a New Jersey college student, who told Heavy that her identity had been stolen to support the creation of "Nicole Mincey."

The account was reportedly linked to a pro-Trump apparel website whose front page mainly features images of women of color wearing Trump-branded clothes. One image even shows a woman wearing a shirt that reads: "Deplorable lives matter."

Newsweek reported in May that at the time, nearly half of President Trump's 30 million Twitter followers were either fake accounts or bots.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trump-retweeted-a-reportedly-fake-twitter-account



Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on May 04, 2018, 06:20:08 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGhdoJbVwAAvEZf?format=jpg)

Donald Trump Retweeted a Reportedly Fake Twitter Account

On August 5, President Donald Trump was accused of communicating online with a bot, who he thanked via Twitter, linking to the now-suspended account of what some are calling a fake user.
As Heavy reported, the now-suspended account, @ProTrump45, was advertised as that of "Nicole Mincey," whose bio described her as a "black conservative" from New Jersey and an entrepeneur in charge of a pro-Trump merchandise store.

"Trump working hard for the American people...thanks," read the original tweet, which included an image of the president and a heart emoji, according to Newsweek.

Trump relied to say thank you, and Twitter users were quick to point out that the photo used for "Mincey's" profile picture actually was a stock photo taken of a model posing for Placeit, a company that specializes in customized apparel and technology.

The original account was reportedly created using the name of a New Jersey college student, who told Heavy that her identity had been stolen to support the creation of "Nicole Mincey."

The account was reportedly linked to a pro-Trump apparel website whose front page mainly features images of women of color wearing Trump-branded clothes. One image even shows a woman wearing a shirt that reads: "Deplorable lives matter."

Newsweek reported in May that at the time, nearly half of President Trump's 30 million Twitter followers were either fake accounts or bots.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trump-retweeted-a-reportedly-fake-twitter-account

russia (bot) collusion confirmed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymd4cLDgAF8
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 04, 2018, 06:53:55 AM
the sequence of any trump event (and supporters)

1. totally false, didn't happen

2. ok, but we weren't aware of it

3. so we did know .  but it was a joke ?

4. ok maybe it happened - but it is not illegal

5.  ok maybe its a crime.  but cant you see I (president) is busy w china / north korea / iran .  time to " move on "

6.  .... gifs and videos (this only applies to TI posters, not the president)

some people go straight from 1 to 6    : )
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Loco_local on May 04, 2018, 09:22:34 AM
Quote
russia (bot) collusion confirmed

The point wasn't that she was a Russian bot. She's real but many of the pro-Trump social media accounts are fake and just a way to scam money from True Believers. They must have learned something at Trump University.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 04, 2018, 09:41:00 AM
“that’s one giant bond bubble you living in brothuh ... “

One of the hallmarks of a bubble is that retail investors, like yourself, are true believers and don't believe a bubble exists.  The small number of contrarians that point out bubble conditions tend to get heavy criticism because they are predicting something that is unpopular, and they tend to get called names.

So your actions are actually great confirmation for what is going on.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 04, 2018, 10:35:02 AM
“that’s one giant bond bubble you living in brothuh ... “

One of the hallmarks of a bubble is that retail investors, like yourself, are true believers and don't believe a bubble exists.  The small number of contrarians that point out bubble conditions tend to get heavy criticism because they are predicting something that is unpopular, and they tend to get called names.

So your actions are actually great confirmation for what is going on.

One of the hallmarks of people who want to sound smart without actually knowing anything is to lean negative, especially in finance and fixed income.  As that's generally mistaken as a sign for sophistication.

Generally throwing a few sound bytes about expensive valuations and how there is nothing left to do in investing  has become the equivalent of " small talk " in finance -- like talking about the weather . 

Looks like you didn't get the reference to "Wire" ?  I was trying to cheer you up a bit :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 04, 2018, 10:44:55 AM
“that’s one giant bond bubble you living in brothuh ... “

One of the hallmarks of a bubble is that retail investors, like yourself, are true believers and don't believe a bubble exists.  The small number of contrarians that point out bubble conditions tend to get heavy criticism because they are predicting something that is unpopular, and they tend to get called names.

So your actions are actually great confirmation for what is going on.

One of the hallmarks of people who want to sound smart without actually knowing anything is to lean negative, especially in finance and fixed income.  As that's generally mistaken as a sign for sophistication.

Generally throwing a few sound bytes about expensive valuations and how there is nothing left to do in investing  has become the equivalent of " small talk " in finance -- like talking about the weather .

I haven't said there is nothing left to do in investing.  My returns these past 12 months have been insane.  But they didn't happen by investing in bonds.

Generally, I don't lean negative either.  I simply call it like I see it.  I received similar push back on the housing blogs when I told everybody in June 2009 to buy real estate and stocks like crazy.  Most people were extremely pessimistic back then, and just like now, I received lots of insults.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 04, 2018, 11:01:26 AM
“that’s one giant bond bubble you living in brothuh ... “

One of the hallmarks of a bubble is that retail investors, like yourself, are true believers and don't believe a bubble exists.  The small number of contrarians that point out bubble conditions tend to get heavy criticism because they are predicting something that is unpopular, and they tend to get called names.

So your actions are actually great confirmation for what is going on.

One of the hallmarks of people who want to sound smart without actually knowing anything is to lean negative, especially in finance and fixed income.  As that's generally mistaken as a sign for sophistication.

Generally throwing a few sound bytes about expensive valuations and how there is nothing left to do in investing  has become the equivalent of " small talk " in finance -- like talking about the weather .

I haven't said there is nothing left to do in investing.  My returns these past 12 months have been insane.  But they didn't happen by investing in bonds.

Generally, I don't lean negative either.  I simply call it like I see it.  I received similar push back on the housing blogs when I told everybody in June 2009 to buy real estate and stocks like crazy.  Most people were extremely pessimistic back then, and just like now, I received lots of insults.

Ok so looks like your portfolio is definitely earning more than Starman

No one makes a killing in bonds (compared to equities) - since upside is limited -- "fixed " part of fixed income

So what would you invest in right now where there is not a bubble  - 100% stocks ?  Irvine Housing  ? Commercial real estate ?   
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on May 04, 2018, 11:01:44 AM
Quote
russia (bot) collusion confirmed

The point wasn't that she was a Russian bot. She's real but many of the pro-Trump social media accounts are fake and just a way to scam money from True Believers. They must have learned something at Trump University.

is it truly a scam if these people are receiving the merchandise they purchased?  sounds like one party purchasing an item they want and another (whether they are "malicious in teen vogue's eyes or not) capitalizing on a business opportunity.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 04, 2018, 11:01:50 AM
I don't remember a Republican president ever doing anything like this before...

Trump Reportedly ‘100 Percent’ for Race Summit With Kaepernick, Kanye
The president wants to have multiple meetings with athletes and musicians to discuss race.
Quote
A Cleveland-based pastor who serves as an outside advisor to the White House has revealed President Trump wants to have multiple meetings about race issues with Colin Kaepernick, Kanye West and other athletes and musicians during an official summit at the White House.

Pastor Darrell Scott told People.com that President Trump is “100 percent for” the summit and is “very enthusiastic” about the idea of inviting Kaepernick, whom he previously called “terrible” for kneeling during the national anthem before NFL games.

Details of the meetings will be ironed out next week, but Scott said they will be a “melting pot” and not just “a black-only event” or a partisan function.

“We don’t want to sanitize it,” Scott said. “I want people from the left to attend. I want it to get heated but I want it to be respectful. I want them to see and know the Donald Trump I know.”

http://www.realclearlife.com/sports/trump-reportedly-100-percent-for-race-summit-with-kaepernick-kanye-and-others/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on May 04, 2018, 11:03:25 AM

So what would you invest in right now where there is not a bubble  - 100% stocks ?  Irvine Housing  ? Commercial real estate ?

soybean futures and trumpcoin
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 04, 2018, 11:27:12 AM
Ok so looks like your portfolio is definitely earning more than Starman

No one makes a killing in bonds (compared to equities) - since upside is limited -- "fixed " part of fixed income

So what would you invest in right now where there is not a bubble  - 100% stocks ?  Irvine Housing  ? Commercial real estate ?

I am invested in MAGA friendly industries, and the Trump trade has led to exquisite returns far exceeding the S&P (with less risk). 

So when Starman or MoreKaos talk about the outstanding results they are having, I believe them.

Real estate is not in a bubble, but is expensive.  Invest at your own risk.  I'm not currently buying anything, but continue to hold most of what I own.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 04, 2018, 11:38:05 AM
Ok so looks like your portfolio is definitely earning more than Starman

No one makes a killing in bonds (compared to equities) - since upside is limited -- "fixed " part of fixed income

So what would you invest in right now where there is not a bubble  - 100% stocks ?  Irvine Housing  ? Commercial real estate ?

I am invested in MAGA friendly industries, and the Trump trade has led to exquisite returns far exceeding the S&P (with less risk). 

So when Starman or MoreKaos talk about the outstanding results they are having, I believe them.

Real estate is not in a bubble, but is expensive.  Invest at your own risk.  I'm not currently buying anything, but continue to hold most of what I own.

I think real estate in high tax states will have a jolt next year. When they do their taxes. (Shock and aww)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 04, 2018, 12:50:38 PM
Yeah but we are not investing for the past but looking forward

Both Trump-friendly sectors Industrials and Banks have underperformed the broader S&P this year


Again, lot of pompous talk but no specifics.   For the other readers of this forum , here is my take since you never get a straight answer from the self-professed financial experts of MAGA dom


And this is basic 101 btw , nothing fancy --

In investing , all you are doing is collecting return - based on either 1) price appreciation and, where applicable 2) income generation  - this is true of all financial assets

Now the price of assets is based on value of future cash flows discounted by an interest rate - again true of all assets - even tech stocks which don't have any cash flow right now (but its all about "future" potential)

Now this discount rate is all important right -- and it varies depending on the type of asset - but all the discounts rates from those used to value an office building, to the homes in Portola springs to Caterpillar stock are some version of the benchmark treasury rate - for simplicity lets assume 10y treasury - say at 3% right now

If this discount rate goes up from 3% to 4% , guess what happens ? the present value of cash flows goes down -- hence the asset value also goes down .  this is why many people say stocks cannot stay at this level is bonds were to selloff violently.

But another offset to that is -- what if future cash flows are also growing at a faster rate then that could make stocks go higher regardless of rates going higher - and this  happens to some degree as well as with tax cuts etc. 

But as always , stocks look forward not backward so the good news gets priced in fast, Higher earnings for 2018 are already priced in with guidance fully baked in.  This is why stocks have been selling off as rates have headed higher lately -- what matters more now if the discount rate of future cash flows

So this is why people who say bond bubble will "burst" don't really know what they are talking about

If  a bubble bursting means 20% correction --- or a 20% loss in price -- then the 3% 10y treasury would be at 5.4% -- if that happens in a short period of time -- which is what a "bubble bursting" means , I can guarantee you everyone on this forum is in trouble with their investment portfolios , no matter what asset they are in .

Yes, there will be wise-a__  retorts like you will make money if you are short but there is a cost to being short -- negative carry and margin borrow -- and most people don't operate that way
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 04, 2018, 01:34:15 PM
Have you tried discounting cash flows on Irvine real estate?  Why don't you give it a shot and let us know what the results tell you.

Then come back and explain how assets can rise in value way beyond what cash flows can justify.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 04, 2018, 01:41:26 PM
Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump
Quote
(CNN) - A federal judge expressed deep skepticism Friday in the bank fraud case brought by special counsel Robert Mueller's office against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, at one point saying he believes that Mueller's motivation is to oust President Donald Trump from office.

"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort's bank fraud," Ellis said to prosecutor Michael Dreeben, at times losing his temper. Ellis said prosecutors were interested in Manafort because of his potential to provide material that would lead to Trump's "prosecution or impeachment," Ellis said.

"That's what you're really interested in," said Ellis, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

"We don't want anyone in this country with unfettered power. It's unlikely you're going to persuade me the special prosecutor has power to do anything he or she wants," Ellis told Dreeben. "The American people feel pretty strongly that no one has unfettered power."

When Dreeben answered Ellis' question about how the investigation and its charges date back to before the Trump campaign formed, the judge shot back, "None of that information has to do with information related to Russian government coordination and the campaign of Donald Trump."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: StarmanMBA on May 04, 2018, 02:05:08 PM
///
Again, lot of pompous talk but no specifics.   For the other readers of this forum , here is my take since you never get a straight answer from the self-professed financial experts of MAGA dom


[fortune11 then proceeds to blather as if he were a self-professed financial expert.
I have seen nobody make that remark, but then again the giggling bullies make things up every day.]


Quote
In investing , all you are doing is collecting return - based on either 1) price appreciation and, where applicable 2) income generation  - this is true of all financial assets



Investors do not "collect return" when they are invested in common stocks and the market retreats.  They LOSE MONEY.

Finance 101.  Please tell the audience what was your single best investment in the stock market, and provide your analysis.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 04, 2018, 02:08:25 PM
yes , genius  -- returns can be positive and negative

glad to have taught you something new today, you are welcome


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on May 04, 2018, 02:15:15 PM
Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump
Quote
(CNN) - A federal judge expressed deep skepticism Friday in the bank fraud case brought by special counsel Robert Mueller's office against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, at one point saying he believes that Mueller's motivation is to oust President Donald Trump from office.

"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort's bank fraud," Ellis said to prosecutor Michael Dreeben, at times losing his temper. Ellis said prosecutors were interested in Manafort because of his potential to provide material that would lead to Trump's "prosecution or impeachment," Ellis said.

"That's what you're really interested in," said Ellis, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

"We don't want anyone in this country with unfettered power. It's unlikely you're going to persuade me the special prosecutor has power to do anything he or she wants," Ellis told Dreeben. "The American people feel pretty strongly that no one has unfettered power."

When Dreeben answered Ellis' question about how the investigation and its charges date back to before the Trump campaign formed, the judge shot back, "None of that information has to do with information related to Russian government coordination and the campaign of Donald Trump."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html

this guy's got more balls than sessions.  new ag?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 04, 2018, 02:30:23 PM
No one has answered this question --- does anyone know why Trump friendly sectors like Banks and Industrials are underperforming this year  ?

Or are we to blame liberals for that as well
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on May 04, 2018, 04:55:45 PM
Because half of Amazon's employees make less than $28K.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: StarmanMBA on May 04, 2018, 06:28:31 PM
"In investing, all you are doing is collecting a return." - fortune11

That is real nonsense.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 04, 2018, 09:13:20 PM
"In investing, all you are doing is collecting a return." - fortune11

That is real nonsense.

Those who read my post in entirety saw something relevant about how interest rates and markets work.

Your verbal diarrhea does nothing to advance the discussion since your ego is a lot bigger than your portfolio : )

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 07, 2018, 10:18:23 AM
This is falling apart...

As of Friday, three separate Judges have rendered harsh setbacks to the Mueller investigation - demanding, if you can believe it, facts and evidence to back up the Special Counsel's claims - in unredacted format as one Judge demands, or risk having the cases tossed out altogether.

The first major setback happened in February, when the federal judge assigned to the criminal case against Trump's former National Security Advisor, Judge Emmet G. Sullivan ordered Mueller's team to turn over any "exculpatory evidence" to Flynn's defense.

Instead, Judge Emmet G. Sullivan issued the order "sua sponte," or at his discretion, invoking the "Brady Rule" - which requires prosecutors to turn over previously unfiled evidence that might have a material impact on a defendant's case. Two days before Sullivan issued the order, Mueller filed a motion for a protective order regarding the use of evidence in the case, including "sensitive materials," which would be provided to Flynn's lawyers by the office of the Special Counsel.

Then there's the judge in the Manafort Case, who excoriated a Special Counsel attorney on Friday during a "motion to dismiss" hearing. A leaked transcript of the heated exchange between attorney Michael Dreeben and Eastern District of Virginia Judge T.S. Ellis reveals that the entire Manafort case is in jeopardy if the Special Counsel doesn't produce an unredacted copy of the original order from Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein authorizing the original investigation.

Ellis also said that Mueller shouldn't have "unfettered power" to prosecute Manafort for charges that have nothing to do with collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and called out the DOJ's efforts in the case as an attempt by Mueller to gain leverage over Manafort.

"You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment or whatever. That's what you're really interested in." -Judge Ellis

Last - but we're quite sure not least, was last week's ruling by federal Judge Dabney Friedrich, a Trump appointee, denying Mueller a trial delay over the high-profile February indictment of 13 Russians for interfering in the 2016 US election.

And Concord Management decided to fight it...


As PowerLine notes, Mueller probably didn't see that coming - and the indictment itself was perhaps nothing more than a PR stunt to bolster the Russian interference narrative.

I don’t think anyone (including Mueller) anticipated that any of the defendants would appear in court to defend against the charges. Rather, the Mueller prosecutors seem to have obtained the indictment to serve a public relations purpose, laying out the case for interference as understood by the government and lending a veneer of respectability to the Mueller Switch Project.

One of the Russian corporate defendants nevertheless hired counsel to contest the charges. In April two Washington-area attorneys — Eric Dubelier and Kate Seikaly of the Reed Smith firm — filed appearances in court on behalf of Concord Management and Consulting. Josh Gerstein covered that turn of events for Politico here. -Powerline Blog

Politico's Gerstein notes that by defending against the charges, “Concord could force prosecutors to turn over discovery about how the case was assembled as well as evidence that might undermine the prosecution’s theories.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-06/mueller-investigation-jeopardy-witch-hunt-accusations-play-out-court (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-06/mueller-investigation-jeopardy-witch-hunt-accusations-play-out-court)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 09, 2018, 11:12:12 AM
Any thoughts on Cohen’s Essential consulting?   ;)

Follow the money!!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on May 09, 2018, 11:31:37 AM
Cohen, like any "hanger on" in a new administration, is going to push around the pay to play access for personal benefit. Novartis published a great response about Cohen's deal being a bust, but they had to pay. I read it on Twitter, but don't have the time to link the story. 

Do I care that Cohen got money from them rooskies? Not really. When the full articles are read about these payments, most of them rooskies had contributed to Democratic candidates in prior elections. Wasn't much wailing and gnashing of teeth then, only open palms waiting for grease to be slathered.

To be clear - none of this is right, but also none of it is new.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 09, 2018, 11:36:26 AM
Do you think Rudy is doing a good job?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 09, 2018, 11:52:06 AM
Any thoughts on Cohen’s Essential consulting?   ;)

Follow the money!!

There is NOTHING criminal about any of those three payments.  All three readily admitted to the payments and gave reasons. All legal, this is just a lot of suggestive innuendo but no burger. Watch, there will be no criminal charges filed in relation to these 3 payments, or they would have already been filed by the Southern District.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 09, 2018, 11:55:46 AM
Any thoughts on Cohen’s Essential consulting?   ;)

Follow the money!!

There is NOTHING criminal about any of those three payments.  All three readily admitted to the payments and gave reasons. All legal, this is just a lot of suggestive innuendo but no burger. Watch, there will be no criminal charges filed in relation to these 3 payments, or they would have already been filed by the Southern District.

I want to know more about the linked Russia guy that gave Money. That guy was sanctioned by the US recently.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on May 09, 2018, 11:58:29 AM
Rudy is a sorry figure, a Renfield to Trumps Vlad the Impaler. He is asked direct questions and overspeaks because he wants to return to the spotlight. Everyone on Team MAGA should STFU and stay on a singular simple to understand point:

Hillary lost the election even though there was an array of opposition against the Republican candidate. The rooskie collusion story has been ginned up out of thin air - a demonstrable fact - and for the good of the country it's time to move on.

Never

Going

To

Happen

though with this bunch.

Honestly, if it was Jeb! or Mittens, and if they won, the same ROOOSKIEES narrative would have bubbled up from the losing side.

My .02c 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 09, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
Question of the day:
Did the att payment to Cohen had any influence on the Net Neutrality ruling?


Cohen, like any "hanger on" in a new administration, is going to push around the pay to play access for personal benefit. Novartis published a great response about Cohen's deal being a bust, but they had to pay. I read it on Twitter, but don't have the time to link the story. 

Do I care that Cohen got money from them rooskies? Not really. When the full articles are read about these payments, most of them rooskies had contributed to Democratic candidates in prior elections. Wasn't much wailing and gnashing of teeth then, only open palms waiting for grease to be slathered.

To be clear - none of this is right, but also none of it is new.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 09, 2018, 12:12:28 PM
Any thoughts on Cohen’s Essential consulting?   ;)

Follow the money!!

There is NOTHING criminal about any of those three payments.  All three readily admitted to the payments and gave reasons. All legal, this is just a lot of suggestive innuendo but no burger. Watch, there will be no criminal charges filed in relation to these 3 payments, or they would have already been filed by the Southern District.

I want to know more about the linked Russia guy that gave Money. That guy was sanctioned by the US recently.



So Viktor Vekselberg makes a bribe payment to Trump and his cohorts and a month later gets sanctioned by that same administration?  Well he got his moneys worth there. That's a bit harsh and doesn't make any sense.

Viktor Vekselberg, chairman of asset manager Renova Group, is an oligarch close to Vladimir Putin, and last month the Trump administration placed him on a list of sanctioned Russians for activities including election interference. The purpose of the payments, which predate the sanctions, and the nature of the business relationship between Vekselberg and Cohen is unclear.

https://www.local10.com/news/politics/muellers-team-questions-russian-oligarch-about-payments-to-cohen (https://www.local10.com/news/politics/muellers-team-questions-russian-oligarch-about-payments-to-cohen)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on May 09, 2018, 12:40:51 PM
On Net Neutrality, the question doesn't bubble up to the Cohen/Trump level.

NN was impacted by the FCC Chair - an Obama holdover, moved up by Trump to his present position, and by Congress who so far has not pushed through any legislation to counter what the FCC is doing. The States are also trying, but not getting very far. May want to see how many of those folks have campaign contributions from those pushing this.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on May 11, 2018, 11:15:29 AM
The ‘Russian Collusion’ Trial Is On, And Mueller May Be The First Casualty
Quote
Lawyers for Russian company Concord Management and Consulting, LLC, formally entered a “not guilty” plea in federal court Monday in a case special counsel Robert Mueller probably never thought would happen.

Mueller generated headlines with the February indictment, safe in the knowledge the 13 Russians were beyond U.S. jurisdiction. Therefore, there would be no trial — only sensational Russian collusion accusations.

Mueller may now have to try the case, and Concord’s lawyers have put the special counsel on notice. The Russian company’s lawyers intend to invoke “discovery” to obtain U.S. intelligence about what they knew of Russian activities.

In starting Wednesday’s trial, Eric A. Dubelier, a Reed Smith law partner, entered a “not guilty” plea in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. He also repeated his client’s interest for a “speedy trial.”

McCarthy called Mueller’s entire indictment an “unforced error.”

“One thing you never want to do is to indict in a case that you’re not prepared to try,” McCarthy said.

Mueller tried to delay Wednesday’s hearing and floated a claim Concord had not been properly served notice.

“Until the Court has an opportunity to determine if Concord was properly served, it would be inadvisable to conduct an initial appearance and arraignment at which important rights will be communicated and a plea entertained,” Mueller’s lawyers filed in federal court.

But Concord opposed the motion. “The Special Counsel is not entitled to special rules and is required like the Attorney General to follow the rules of the Court,” Dubelier stated in his response to Mueller.

U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich agreed with Concord and rejected Mueller’s request for a delay in the trial without comment, which led to Wednesday’s arraignment.

Concord wants a “speedy trial” as provided by federal law, the company’s lawyers also repeated Wednesday. The case will resume July 9.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/09/russian-collusion-trial-robert-mueller-first-casualty/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 23, 2018, 08:22:42 AM
Donald Trump turned a rumor into a full-blown government conspiracy in just 5 days

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/politics/donald-trump-spygate/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/politics/donald-trump-spygate/index.html)

...or I postulate that the headline could just as easily read...

The Government turned a rumor into a full-blown Trump conspiracy in just 2 Years

Punch..counter-punch.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on May 23, 2018, 08:50:12 AM
Donald Trump turned a rumor into a full-blown government conspiracy in just 5 days

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/politics/donald-trump-spygate/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/politics/donald-trump-spygate/index.html)

...or I postulate that the headline could just as easily read...

The Government turned a rumor into a full-blown Trump conspiracy in just 2 Years

Punch..counter-punch.

pre-election
"we needed to insert an fbi informant into your campaign to protect you from russia collusion"

post-election
"we're need to investigate your campaign for russia collusion even though we had an fbi informant to protect you"
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on July 05, 2018, 02:24:21 PM
Drum roll please. What does this mean?

“Michael Cohen Removes Trump Affiliation From Twitter And LinkedIn

Cohen signaled in an interview with ABC News Monday that his loyalties were shifting away from Trump in order to protect his family.

“My wife, my daughter and my son have my first loyalty and always will,” Cohen said. “I put family and country first.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b3df987e4b07b827cbde927/amp

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on July 05, 2018, 03:01:39 PM
Drum roll please. What does this mean?

“Michael Cohen Removes Trump Affiliation From Twitter And LinkedIn

Cohen signaled in an interview with ABC News Monday that his loyalties were shifting away from Trump in order to protect his family.

“My wife, my daughter and my son have my first loyalty and always will,” Cohen said. “I put family and country first.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b3df987e4b07b827cbde927/amp

trump is going down! we got him this time!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on July 05, 2018, 03:09:10 PM
Drum roll please. What does this mean?

“Michael Cohen Removes Trump Affiliation From Twitter And LinkedIn

Cohen signaled in an interview with ABC News Monday that his loyalties were shifting away from Trump in order to protect his family.

“My wife, my daughter and my son have my first loyalty and always will,” Cohen said. “I put family and country first.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b3df987e4b07b827cbde927/amp

trump is going down! we got him this time!


Findings that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton were 'accurate and on point': Senate intel panel

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/03/findings-that-russia-meddled-to-help-trump-beat-clinton-were-accurate-and-on-point-senate-intel-panel.amp.html


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on July 05, 2018, 03:54:46 PM
Take the time, as I did, to read the 7 page summary by this Senate committee. Some findings:

1) This has been going on since the Carter administration! I'm sure dear reader that you can recall how this was a tipping point in Reagan's win over Carter and Mondale, Bush's victory over Dukakis, Clintons win over Bush and Dole, Bush II's win over Gore and Kerry, Obama's win over McCain and.... sheess... I've lost track. No, only this election did it matter. As we all know, Russian influencing of American opinions is as rampant as American influencing of Russian opinions. The pot is calling the kettle black.

B) The Senate could not quantify any shift in opinion one way or another. Clearly, that's some effective stuff the GRU deployed, eh Comrade?

III) Zero evidence of collusion. Hello.....Hello.... is this Mic on?

This remains still one giant nothingburger with a side of freedom fries to go with it.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on July 05, 2018, 03:57:11 PM
Take the time, as I did, to read the 7 page summary by this Senate committee. Some findings:

1) This has been going on since the Carter administration! I'm sure dear reader that you can recall how this was a tipping point in Reagan's win over Carter and Mondale, Bush's victory over Dukakis, Clintons win over Bush and Dole, Bush II's win over Gore and Kerry, Obama's win over McCain and.... sheess... I've lost track. No, only this election did it matter. As we all know, Russian influencing of American opinions is as rampant as American influencing of Russian opinions. The pot is calling the kettle black.

B) The Senate could not quantify any shift in opinion one way or another. Clearly, that's some effective stuff the GRU deployed, eh Comrade?

III) Zero evidence of collusion. Hello.....Hello.... is this Mic on?

This remains still one giant nothingburger with a side of freedom fries to go with it.

My .02c

We shall see when Cohen tell his side of his story.  ;)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on July 05, 2018, 04:40:12 PM
I'm sure Cohen has plenty on Trump's non-Presidential Election stuff. The stuff he's got might make "The Godfather" look like an episode of "Mr. Rogers Neighborhood". For Trump, "It's not personal...it's business...." to quote another and in business, certainly New York business, it's conducted in a way that might not look all that on the level to most of us. Doesn't make it right, just what it is.

That said, this isn't the same as the Clinton Whitewater Impeachment Special Counsel. In that case, Willie lied under oath about a matter that a 3 judge panel OK'd the SC to investigate. Today, Muller has a blank check and the full force of the US Government to squeeze anything out that looks untoward. I'm confident there's plenty to find.... but that still isn't Russian Collusion.

If President Tourette's Syndrome answers a narrow set of questions about them thar ruskies, this thing will be all over by September. If SC Muller submits questions about porn start payoffs and bad business dealings, etc, I'd support firing the SC for not focusing on the real question - Was the 2016 election won through collusion with a foreign power?

We will see.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on July 05, 2018, 05:06:06 PM
What are your thoughts on Pruitt?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on July 05, 2018, 06:18:58 PM
Pruitt was a turd in need of a much earlier flushing. So long, and good riddance. 

His purpose was to be the "Bad Guy" and reform the EPA - something that has to be done, but instead of focusing on mission, he devolved into a petty thief and little more. When the EPA feels it's empowered to regulate how rainwater is to be handled on your property, that's a clear sign there needs to be reform. Pruitt was not that person to get the job done.

Hopefully they will put a steadier hand on the wheel over at EPA, someone who will take an axe to it's roots to get some real pruning done. .  Who would I pick? Perhaps someone from Ducks Unlimited - someone who knows how to manage a resource, not just wall it off. Wouldn't hurt to make nice with some of the better organizations like Surfrider etc while also muting some of the radical environmentalists. Alas, it looks as though another swamp dweller will be elevated and little will be done the way it needs to be.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 05, 2018, 06:56:34 PM
Take the time, as I did, to read the 7 page summary by this Senate committee. Some findings:

1) This has been going on since the Carter administration! I'm sure dear reader that you can recall how this was a tipping point in Reagan's win over Carter and Mondale, Bush's victory over Dukakis, Clintons win over Bush and Dole, Bush II's win over Gore and Kerry, Obama's win over McCain and.... sheess... I've lost track. No, only this election did it matter. As we all know, Russian influencing of American opinions is as rampant as American influencing of Russian opinions. The pot is calling the kettle black.

B) The Senate could not quantify any shift in opinion one way or another. Clearly, that's some effective stuff the GRU deployed, eh Comrade?

III) Zero evidence of collusion. Hello.....Hello.... is this Mic on?

This remains still one giant nothingburger with a side of freedom fries to go with it.

My .02c

Just wanted to post this in response

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/15/how-america-viewed-the-watergate-scandal-as-it-was-unfolding/?utm_term=.5d3505c592a6

and

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-muellers-first-year-compares-to-watergate-iran-contra-and-whitewater/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on July 06, 2018, 09:22:53 AM
What are your thoughts on Pruitt?

Wait , weren't people on this forum praising Scott Pruitt and offering to buy him lunch or something -- or did I dream that up 

Now because Trump has fired him, it is OK to start bashing him : )   After all , Trump can so no wrong ..

You should have asked people's views on that sexual abuser from Ohio , Jim Jordon, who Trump is still defending vocally.   Lets see how long that lasts. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on July 06, 2018, 09:39:11 AM
I'd rather see a good spotlight shined on DeVos until the cockroaches crawl out in the open.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on July 07, 2018, 10:59:09 AM
I'd rather see a good spotlight shined on DeVos until the cockroaches crawl out in the open.

Yes , but in the meantime , we can thank that hopelessly biased liberal fake news mainstream (did i miss any other adjectives) media for shining a spotlight on this particular MAGA-roach, Scott Pruitt.  Wouldn't have happened otherwise ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on July 25, 2018, 10:13:20 AM
Tapes  :)

#gamechanger
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on July 25, 2018, 10:27:34 AM
Tapes  :)

#gamechanger

Nah. We're in full Orwellian mode now. You cannot believe anything you hear, see, nor understand logically and rationally. You can only believe what the Administration tells you to believe.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on July 25, 2018, 11:17:31 AM
get me a coke, please!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 01, 2018, 10:01:59 AM
Obstruction of justice?

Donald Trump tells Attorney General Sessions to shut down the Mueller probe, calls investigation "terrible" and a "stain"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/878267002


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on August 06, 2018, 12:29:19 PM
After months of Trump repeating daily, often many times daily, and shouting, "NO COLLUSION!," he finally admits Jr. colluded, but he [Trump] didn't! Nice job father of the year. Nice job.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2018, 12:33:18 PM
So where are the charges?

https://youtu.be/C6MnK2DxEp8
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on August 06, 2018, 12:35:14 PM
Is the investigation complete?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2018, 12:40:08 PM
No, it drags on and on in search of a charge it will never find.

https://youtu.be/DZCGocLDrR4
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on August 06, 2018, 12:46:54 PM
Man, if only they could've wrapped this up in a few months like Benghazi. Gowdy and Pompeo were so efficient in that investigation.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2018, 12:58:01 PM
At least the Repubs only spend $7 million in total.  Mueller is up to $17 million and counting with little to show for the effort...wrap it up.

The select committee itself was created by House Republicans in May 2014. The committee issued its final report on the Benghazi attack a little more than two years later in June 2016 and was officially shut down in December 2016. The select panel spent $7 million during the course of the probe.

In a spending report released last month, Mueller's team disclosed that it had spent $17 million since the special counsel was appointed in May 2017.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/politics/benghazi-committee-special-counsel-robert-mueller/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/politics/benghazi-committee-special-counsel-robert-mueller/index.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 06, 2018, 01:08:38 PM
Forget the money. Because this is peanuts compared to Trump increasing the national debt.

More: Do you believe there was collusion?

At least the Repubs only spend $7 million in total.  Mueller is up to $17 million and counting with little to show for the effort...wrap it up.

The select committee itself was created by House Republicans in May 2014. The committee issued its final report on the Benghazi attack a little more than two years later in June 2016 and was officially shut down in December 2016. The select panel spent $7 million during the course of the probe.

In a spending report released last month, Mueller's team disclosed that it had spent $17 million since the special counsel was appointed in May 2017.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/politics/benghazi-committee-special-counsel-robert-mueller/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/politics/benghazi-committee-special-counsel-robert-mueller/index.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on August 06, 2018, 01:38:21 PM
what about the actual proven collusion from the hillary camp, who paid for the russian pee pee dossier?  is that a crime?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 06, 2018, 01:40:26 PM
what about the actual proven collusion from the hillary camp, who paid for the russian pee pee dossier?  is that a crime?

The dossier was first funded by Republicans. Right?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2018, 01:42:14 PM
No, I don’t believe there ever was collusion.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2018, 02:31:44 PM
what about the actual proven collusion from the hillary camp, who paid for the russian pee pee dossier?  is that a crime?

The dossier was first funded by Republicans. Right?

No, Republicans did not fund the Steele  dossier. DNC actually paid for It.

In reality, Paul Singer, the founder of the Washington Free Beacon, funded Fusion GPS for standard opposition research against Trump and a number of other presidential candidates. He stopped paying the firm in the spring of 2016, well before Steele was hired by Fusion GPS.

After that time, the DNC and Clinton campaigns started paying Fusion GPS. The firm then contracted with Christopher Steele to research and create the dossier. The prior research paid for by Singer was unrelated to and not included in the dossier.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/02/media-pins-steele-dossier-on-republicans/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/02/media-pins-steele-dossier-on-republicans/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 06, 2018, 02:40:27 PM
“Who paid for it?
During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.amp.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on August 06, 2018, 04:10:48 PM
so why isn't the free beacon under investigation?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 06, 2018, 04:17:39 PM
I don’t know. It doesn’t really matter.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2018, 04:38:03 PM
The free beacon is a private publication, their use of fusion gps predates the Steele docier. The dnc then separately funded the Steele docier after trump had secured the nomination. The separate contracts had nothing to do with each other and no information used in the free becon was used for the dnc.  The difference is a private party (becon) and a political party (dnc) wanting dirt on an individual. The dnc should be under investigation.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 06, 2018, 04:43:09 PM
How did Rubio get his info during the GOP primary?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
I don’t know but if any information was passed on to him by free becon it obviously was not enough, trump trounced Rubio and you sure didn’t hear Marco roll out the Russian hooker pee angle.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on August 06, 2018, 05:29:49 PM
I don’t know but if any information was passed on to him by free becon it obviously was not enough, trump trounced Rubio and you sure didn’t hear Marco roll out the Russian hooker pee angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=730KfKhsKsE
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on August 06, 2018, 05:30:06 PM
I was reminded that when it was Bush v Gore in the general, Gore was handed the RNC's debate prep questions and other highly sensitive campaign documents. To their credit, Gore and the Dems practically walked these documents back to the RNC within mere moments of receiving them, no questions asked.

Civility is possible, but unlikely in this new day and age.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on August 07, 2018, 01:40:46 PM
LOL. this manafort trial isn't going quite as well as they would have hoped.

(https://i.imgur.com/YF8i8JS.png)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx2Sps9aMcY
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on August 07, 2018, 02:47:35 PM
Who is "they," how did "they" hope it would go, and how is it not going that way?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 07, 2018, 02:48:21 PM
The recent meeting with Hope Hicks is questionable on air force one.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 09, 2018, 03:56:10 PM
Manafort listed his penthouse as a second home on a mortgage application, but it was actually a rental that he claimed on his taxes.  Doh! 

Don't commit mortgage fraud kiddos... because if you happen to serve on a campaign that the establishment hates, they will prosecute you for it!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 09, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
It's time to seek help...

Who is "they," how did "they" hope it would go, and how is it not going that way?

TOPICAL FEATURES PSYCHOLOGY
Trump Anxiety Disorder | How Political Paranoia Birthed A Real Phobia

https://www.headstuff.org/topical/topical-features/trump-anxiety-disorder/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 09, 2018, 04:16:37 PM
I noticed your typing is similar to Starman. By the sentence structure. After the first sentence of the paragraph, the following sentences started with a double space.

(Just an observation. However, I can be wrong.)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on August 09, 2018, 04:49:08 PM
More than the cartoonish gifs , I love reading all the head scratching links the MAGA crowd pulls their copy and paste items from ... head stuff. Org  , (what was that ?)  biz pac man .com , etc

It’s like they religiously click through all the sponsored content ad websites links at the bottom of web pages that other people ignore  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 10, 2018, 01:04:18 PM
I noticed your typing is similar to Starman. By the sentence structure. After the first sentence of the paragraph, the following sentences started with a double space.

(Just an observation. However, I can be wrong.)

No comment?  ;)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 20, 2018, 02:35:13 PM
I noticed your typing is similar to Starman. By the sentence structure. After the first sentence of the paragraph, the following sentences started with a double space.

(Just an observation. However, I can be wrong.)

No comment?  ;)

Who are you talking to?  Yourself?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 20, 2018, 02:53:41 PM
The truth isn’t the truth?   ;)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 21, 2018, 10:26:54 AM
Even former CIA directors are prone to losing at 12-D chess.

John Brennan Shows How to Lose to Trump in One Easy Step
Quote
When Trump's opponents are baited into violating norms, they diminish themselves and their cause.

John Brennan may not know it, but he is acting in a drama scripted and produced by Donald J. Trump.

As Eli Lake of Bloomberg perceptively observed, President Trump isn’t trying to silence Brennan by revoking his security clearance, as the former CIA director’s defenders insist, but to elevate him as a foil.

Trump couldn’t hope for a better poster boy for the so-called deep state than a former CIA director who immediately began to sound like a commentator for MSNBC upon leaving government — and, indeed, signed up as a commentator for MSNBC.

It has been the usual practice of former top intelligence professionals to keep their political opinions, and especially their wild-eyed rants, to themselves. They understand that, having been entrusted with some of the most sensitive powers of the United States government, they should show forbearance and restraint lest they undermine the reputations of their institutions.

Brennan has had no such compunction.
........................................................................
Advantage: Trump. The president always benefits from the fact that his brand depends on violating norms, whereas if his opponents are baited into violating norms in return, they diminish themselves and their cause.

So it is that a former CIA director is combating a president who maintains the top echelons of the intelligence establishment hated him by demonstrating his hatred for him.

The president’s adversaries may consider this unfair, but the institutions Trump targets are best served by not responding in kind. If the president says that the press can’t be trusted because it’s so biased, the press should react by being less biased rather than more. If he says that he’s being undone by a deep-state conspiracy, former intelligence officials should be more restrained rather than less.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/john-brennan-former-cia-director-diminishes-himself/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 21, 2018, 11:15:21 AM
Stay tuned. Big Announcement to be announced. Michael has entered FBI field office according to CNBC.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on August 21, 2018, 01:48:29 PM
Is the MAGA world still gorging on nothingburgers ?

Be careful may cause indigestion
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on August 23, 2018, 04:49:06 AM
Interesting read

Manafort juror reveals lone holdout prevented Mueller team from winning conviction on all counts

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 23, 2018, 08:29:07 AM
Whooo... these political threads are hard to keep up with.

I think 3 pages back or so I read something about the African American community supports Trump. Is that really true? Anecdotally it seems like most of the high profile people are anti-Trump... music industry, actors and sports... especially the NBA. I'm not sure if it's actually policy disagreement or if it's more like "He's not Obama" behavior.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on August 23, 2018, 08:45:13 AM
Whooo... these political threads are hard to keep up with.

I think 3 pages back or so I read something about the African American community supports Trump. Is that really true? Anecdotally it seems like most of the high profile people are anti-Trump... music industry, actors and sports... especially the NBA. I'm not sure if it's actually policy disagreement or if it's more like "He's not Obama" behavior.

Well , like I said before there are many “made up “ throwaway websites you can just paste the links from and claim something is “news” .  It just takes a few seconds or a few clicks to debunk these claims . 

Now If this was something we read  in the WSJ or the Economist  for example , with a properly researched , scientific unbiased poll conducted without framing bias , it would be more believable .
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on August 23, 2018, 10:38:52 AM
Whooo... these political threads are hard to keep up with.

I think 3 pages back or so I read something about the African American community supports Trump. Is that really true? Anecdotally it seems like most of the high profile people are anti-Trump... music industry, actors and sports... especially the NBA. I'm not sure if it's actually policy disagreement or if it's more like "He's not Obama" behavior.

Well , like I said before there are many “made up “ throwaway websites you can just paste the links from and claim something is “news” .  It just takes a few seconds or a few clicks to debunk these claims . 

Now If this was something we read  in the WSJ or the Economist  for example , with a properly researched , scientific unbiased poll conducted without framing bias , it would be more believable .

you're just jealous that trump and kanye are dragon energy
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 23, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
USA Today: Trump at 36 percent approval among African-Americans, new poll finds

"Today's @realDonaldTrump approval ratings among black voters: 36%," Rasmussen said in a tweet. "This day last year: 19%."

That is a staggeringly high number for a man who only won 8 percent of the African-American vote in 2016.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/16/trump-approval-rating-african-americans-rasmussen-poll/1013212002/


CNN: Trump has gained among black voters since the 2016 election

Here's the thing though: It does actually seem that Trump has gained support among African-Americans since the 2016 election.

The network exit polls had Trump winning only 8% among black voters in 2016. Hillary Clinton took 89% of their vote. That is, Clinton won black voters by an 81-percentage-point margin.

Trump's average net approval rating (approval rating minus disapproval rating) with blacks right now is -72 points. In other words, he's shrunk his deficit by 9 points.

I would argue, though, that the President has made an even bigger improvement. To make an apples-to-apples comparison, we can look at a post-election Pew Research Center study with verified voters. Pew found that Clinton had an even larger margin 85-point margin with black voters, of 91% to 6%. If this study were correct, it would mean that Trump had doubled his black support since the election. (Note: Trump's approval rating with blacks in a Pew poll in June, not included in our average, was 14%. Again, this suggests he has gained since the election.)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/18/politics/poll-of-the-week-trump-black-voters/index.html


Fox: Trump is gaining black support because his policies are improving the lives of all Americans

Trump won barely 8 percent of the black vote in 2016. Yet today the NAACP’s own polls show his approval rating among African-Americans standing almost three times as high, at 21 percent.

Rasmussen – the polling organization that came closest to calling the 2016 presidential election results – polls a wider and less politicized community. It announced on Twitter that black approval for Trump is now 36 percent – if not higher.

Black conservative commentator Candace Owens cites a poll where approval of President Trump among black Americans soars to 39 percent.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/20/trump-is-gaining-black-support-because-his-policies-are-improving-lives-all-americans.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 23, 2018, 12:53:11 PM
So, although it may have increased, still not a lot of support from African Americans.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 23, 2018, 01:03:24 PM
So, although it may have increased, still not a lot of support from African Americans.

Nothing close to a majority, and who knows if it will actually translate into votes, but this is not a good number for whoever the next Dem presidential candidate ends up being.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on August 23, 2018, 01:25:28 PM
So, although it may have increased, still not a lot of support from African Americans.

Nothing close to a majority, and who knows if it will actually translate into votes, but this is not a good number for whoever the next Dem presidential candidate ends up being.

Black Support For Trump Is Rising Into The Danger Zone For Democrats
If black support for Trump gets into double figures, the Democratic Party will have to look for different themes than Russia, Stormy Daniels, and other such nonsense.

While President Trump’s approval holds steady among registered voters at 41 percent, his support among blacks in this poll is striking. If it holds for 2020, it could be devastating for Democrats. Among African-Americans, 16 percent approve of Trump, 10 percent are not sure, and 75 percent disapprove.

While that sounds highly negative, these are high positives for a Republican politician among black Americans. Approval of 16 percent is 8 points higher than the 8 percent of black voter support Trump received on election day 2016, and 9 points higher than the black vote Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney received in 2012. The “Not Sure” at 10 percent is staggering, and the 75 percent “disapprove” rating is consistent with the low 70 percent aggregate found in any YouGov poll among this demographic.

The same poll, with their rounding, reported in January that Trump approval was at 10 percent among black Americans, 15 percent were not sure, and 74 percent disapproved, so the numbers are not only steady but improving in Trump’s favor.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/11/black-support-trump-rising-danger-zone-democrats/ (http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/11/black-support-trump-rising-danger-zone-democrats/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 23, 2018, 01:31:09 PM
Good try with trying to move the topic to Trump Black support.

I think this is the last thing Trump is thinking about right now. Trump claims if he is impeached the market will crash.

(Is this a threat?)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on August 23, 2018, 01:43:32 PM
Good try with trying to move the topic to Trump Black support.

I think this is the last thing Trump is thinking about right now. Trump claims if he is impeached the market will crash.

(Is this a threat?)

Ultimately we have just realized

After all , our political system depends on the honor code

We were not setup for a shameless d-bag like Trump . The constitution does give him a lot of leeway to cause tremendous economic damage if he wants to . In many ways , the Republican donors don’t really need him anymore since the tax cuts have already been passed . He can sense that too — this is why the constant pivot to racial anxiety.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 23, 2018, 01:45:57 PM
So, although it may have increased, still not a lot of support from African Americans.

Nothing close to a majority, and who knows if it will actually translate into votes, but this is not a good number for whoever the next Dem presidential candidate ends up being.

Black Support For Trump Is Rising Into The Danger Zone For Democrats
If black support for Trump gets into double figures, the Democratic Party will have to look for different themes than Russia, Stormy Daniels, and other such nonsense.

While President Trump’s approval holds steady among registered voters at 41 percent, his support among blacks in this poll is striking. If it holds for 2020, it could be devastating for Democrats. Among African-Americans, 16 percent approve of Trump, 10 percent are not sure, and 75 percent disapprove.

While that sounds highly negative, these are high positives for a Republican politician among black Americans. Approval of 16 percent is 8 points higher than the 8 percent of black voter support Trump received on election day 2016, and 9 points higher than the black vote Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney received in 2012. The “Not Sure” at 10 percent is staggering, and the 75 percent “disapprove” rating is consistent with the low 70 percent aggregate found in any YouGov poll among this demographic.

The same poll, with their rounding, reported in January that Trump approval was at 10 percent among black Americans, 15 percent were not sure, and 74 percent disapproved, so the numbers are not only steady but improving in Trump’s favor.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/11/black-support-trump-rising-danger-zone-democrats/ (http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/11/black-support-trump-rising-danger-zone-democrats/)

Another thing to think about would be the "shy Trump voter" phenomenon in polling.  That could be especially prevalent in the black community where expressing open support for Trump can lead to death threats (see Kanye) or ostracization (as happened recently with black religious leaders).  The message is being sent to stay in line or else.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 23, 2018, 02:03:15 PM
Good try with trying to move the topic to Trump Black support.

Actually, I was just trying to honestly get a gauge on this. I listen to NBARadio more than POTUS and it was intriguing to see that the Warriors declined the White House invitation and then the mini-war between Lebron and Trump. Also, watched some of the VMAs and Kevin Hart was going off on Trump... that's why I said my observation was anecdotal.

You can go back to whatever it was you guys were talking about... I just noticed a few pages back someone said he was getting more African American support which just from the eye test doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 23, 2018, 02:15:28 PM
LANNY DAVIS OBLITERATED CNN’S ‘BOMBSHELL’ REPORT ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN AND TRUMP TOWER

“So Michael Cohen does not have information that President Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians beforehand or even after?” CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked Davis.

“No, he does not,” replied Davis, a longtime Clinton insider who started representing Cohen earlier this summer.

Davis’s bombshell statement severely undercuts a July 27 CNN report that Cohen was willing to tell special counsel Robert Mueller that he was in a meeting when Donald Trump Jr. told his father about an offer to meet with a group of Russians who wanted to provide dirt on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/22/lanny-davis-dispute-trump-tower-cohen/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on August 23, 2018, 02:58:40 PM
LANNY DAVIS OBLITERATED CNN’S ‘BOMBSHELL’ REPORT ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN AND TRUMP TOWER

“So Michael Cohen does not have information that President Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians beforehand or even after?” CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked Davis.

“No, he does not,” replied Davis, a longtime Clinton insider who started representing Cohen earlier this summer.

Davis’s bombshell statement severely undercuts a July 27 CNN report that Cohen was willing to tell special counsel Robert Mueller that he was in a meeting when Donald Trump Jr. told his father about an offer to meet with a group of Russians who wanted to provide dirt on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/22/lanny-davis-dispute-trump-tower-cohen/

cohen has proven himself to be a completely unreliable witness, a total sleaze, and a terrible lawyer
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 23, 2018, 03:00:29 PM
David Pecker granted immunity.

“National Enquirer boss and longtime Trump friend David Pecker gets federal immunity in Michael Cohen case.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/08/23/national-enquirer-david-pecker-told-prosecutors-trump-knew-of-cohen-payments-report.html


Let’s go!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on August 23, 2018, 05:12:45 PM
One thing may be true — Unlike Cohen, ‘Brave’ Manafort cannot flip without potentially double-crossing Putin and his oligarchs. Flipping on Trump is nothing compare to double-crossing Putin.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on August 23, 2018, 07:17:04 PM
David Pecker granted immunity.

“National Enquirer boss and longtime Trump friend David Pecker gets federal immunity in Michael Cohen case.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/08/23/national-enquirer-david-pecker-told-prosecutors-trump-knew-of-cohen-payments-report.html


Let’s go!

If tomorrow's NY Post headline isn't "Trump Shafted by Pecker", then what is the point of print journalism?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 24, 2018, 08:17:49 AM
David Pecker granted immunity.

“National Enquirer boss and longtime Trump friend David Pecker gets federal immunity in Michael Cohen case.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/08/23/national-enquirer-david-pecker-told-prosecutors-trump-knew-of-cohen-payments-report.html


Let’s go!

If tomorrow's NY Post headline isn't "Trump Shafted by Pecker", then what is the point of print journalism?

Trump Org CFO granted immunity in Cohen investigation: report

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/403443-trump-org-cfo-granted-immunity-in-cohen-investigation-report%3famp

Another one


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on August 24, 2018, 08:40:30 AM
I'm enjoying the new Republican meme that Al Capone got a raw deal

NRA s Dana Loesch: Democrats are “trying to Al Capone the president

Basically Trump got away with being a grifter and a two-bit thug his whole life, and he’d still be getting away with it if he’d just kept his wide bottom in his gilded tower.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on August 28, 2018, 06:21:08 AM
but...but...RUSSIA!

Quote
SOURCES: CHINA HACKED CLINTON’S PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER

A Chinese-owned company operating in the Washington, D.C., area hacked Hillary Clinton’s private server throughout her term as secretary of state and obtained nearly all her emails, two sources briefed on the matter told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

The Chinese firm obtained Clinton’s emails in real time as she sent and received communications and documents through her personal server, according to the sources, who said the hacking was conducted as part of an intelligence operation.

The Chinese wrote code that was embedded in the server, which was kept in Clinton’s residence in upstate New York. The code generated an instant “courtesy copy” for nearly all of her emails and forwarded them to the Chinese company, according to the sources.

The Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) found that virtually all of Clinton’s emails were sent to a “foreign entity,” Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, said at a July 12 House Committee on the Judiciary hearing. He did not reveal the entity’s identity, but said it was unrelated to Russia.

Two officials with the ICIG, investigator Frank Rucker and attorney Janette McMillan, met repeatedly with FBI officials to warn them of the Chinese intrusion, according to a former intelligence officer with expertise in cybersecurity issues, who was briefed on the matter. He spoke anonymously, as he was not authorized to publicly address the Chinese’s role with Clinton’s server.

Among those FBI officials was Peter Strzok, who was then the bureau’s top counterintelligence official. Strzok was fired this month following the discovery he sent anti-Trump texts to his mistress and co-worker, Lisa Page. Strzok didn’t act on the information the ICIG provided him, according to Gohmert.

Gohmert mentioned in the Judiciary Committee hearing that ICIG officials told Strzok and three other top FBI officials that they found an “anomaly” on Clinton’s server.

The former intelligence officer TheDCNF spoke with said the ICIG “discovered the anomaly pretty early in 2015.”

“When [the ICIG] did a very deep dive, they found in the actual metadata — the data which is at the header and footer of all the emails — that a copy, a ‘courtesy copy,’ was being sent to a third party and that third party was a known Chinese public company that was involved in collecting intelligence for China,” the former intelligence officer told TheDCNF.

“The [the ICIG] believe that there was some level of phishing. But once they got into the server something was embedded,” he said. “The Chinese are notorious for embedding little surprises like this.”

The intelligence officer declined to name of the Chinese company.

“We do know the name of the company. There are indications there are other ‘cutouts’ that were involved. I would be in a lot of trouble if I gave you the name,” he told TheDCNF.

A government staff official who’s been briefed on the ICIG’s findings told TheDCNF that the Chinese state-owned firm linked to the hacking operates in Washington’s northern Virginia suburbs. The source was not authorized to publicly discuss the matter.

The company that penetrated Clinton’s server was not a technology firm and it served as a “front group” for the Chinese government, the source told TheDCNF.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/china-hacked-clinton-server/ (https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/china-hacked-clinton-server/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on August 28, 2018, 06:29:20 AM
Daily caller .com ?? Nuff said

Another one of those “throwaway” right wing websites

I am hoping college bound kids in Irvine are reading NYT and WSJ and none of this junk clickbait material   :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on August 28, 2018, 10:40:21 AM
Daily caller .com ?? Nuff said

Another one of those “throwaway” right wing websites

I am hoping college bound kids in Irvine are reading NYT and WSJ and none of this junk clickbait material   :)

you mean like the upstanding cnn?  the shining beacon of truth?

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Lanny Davis admits he was source for CNN's Trump Tower story, lied about it on air

Michael Cohen’s attorney has acknowledged being an anonymous source for the disputed CNN Trump Tower story and also admitted lying on TV about his involvement.

Lanny Davistold BuzzFeed News on Monday evening that he was a source for the story claiming that President Trump had personal prior knowledge of a controversial Trump Tower meeting with Russians — a story the Cohen camp has since repudiated.

“I made a mistake,” Mr. Davis said.

As the July 26 CNN story claiming that Cohen had direct knowledge of Donald Trump Jr. telling his father of the meeting came under increasing scrutiny, Mr. Davis publicly lied about his role.

“I think the reporting of the story got mixed up in the course of a criminal investigation. We were not the source of the story,” he told CNN’s Anderson Cooper last week.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/27/lanny-davis-admits-he-was-source-cnn-trump-tower-s/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/27/lanny-davis-admits-he-was-source-cnn-trump-tower-s/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on August 28, 2018, 11:08:10 AM
Regardless, they knew everyone had access to that server like a cheap hooker.  They knew it almost immediately but the narrative about Russia had to be built around it.

Clinton server faced hacking from China, South Korea and Germany
By JOSH GERSTEIN and RACHAEL BADE 10/08/2015 07:17 AM EDT

Hillary Clinton's private email server containing tens of thousands of messages from her tenure as secretary of state — including more than 400 now considered classified — was the subject of hacking attempts from China, South Korea and Germany after she stepped down in 2013, according to Congressional investigators.

The Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee has found evidence of attempted intrusions into Clinton's server in 2013 and 2014, according to a letter Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) sent Monday to a Florida-based security firm tasked with protecting the hardware.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-email-server-hacked-china-south-korea-germany-214546 (https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-email-server-hacked-china-south-korea-germany-214546)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 29, 2018, 01:47:23 PM
Regardless, they knew everyone had access to that server like a cheap hooker.  They knew it almost immediately but the narrative about Russia had to be built around it.

Clinton server faced hacking from China, South Korea and Germany
By JOSH GERSTEIN and RACHAEL BADE 10/08/2015 07:17 AM EDT

Hillary Clinton's private email server containing tens of thousands of messages from her tenure as secretary of state — including more than 400 now considered classified — was the subject of hacking attempts from China, South Korea and Germany after she stepped down in 2013, according to Congressional investigators.

The Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee has found evidence of attempted intrusions into Clinton's server in 2013 and 2014, according to a letter Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) sent Monday to a Florida-based security firm tasked with protecting the hardware.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-email-server-hacked-china-south-korea-germany-214546 (https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-email-server-hacked-china-south-korea-germany-214546)

It's unfortunate that Russia didn't take Trump's invitation to find the missing 30,000 e-mails.  We may need to reach out to SK or Germany to find out what she was hiding.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 29, 2018, 01:49:02 PM
In the US we don’t go after political opponents. (Not like the banana republics)


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on August 29, 2018, 10:13:53 PM
This is another long but comprehensive article about Jim Comey's actions leading up to the election.  Many Democrats blame him for Hillary's loss, which I tend to think has some merit.  Nobody will ever know for sure.

Despite Comey Assurances, Vast Bulk of Weiner Laptop Emails Were Never Examined
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/08/22/despite_comey_assurance_vast_bulk_of_weiner_laptop_emails_never_examined.html

What this article illustrates is that the FBI team in charge of the Hillary e-mail investigation had no intention of reopening this case.  They sat on the discovery of the Wiener laptop for a month, which is why, when Comey was forced to make an announcement, it was only a week before the election. 

Agents in the NY field office were threatening to leak discovery of the laptop to the press and a top DOJ official caught wind of it, not only telling the FBI leadership to get their asses in gear, but to notify Congress in writing (ensuring it would leak to the press anyway).  Basically, Comey had no choice but to comply by reopening the investigation.... and yet... a thorough and conclusive examination of the e-mails on the laptop never occurred.

Despite Comey's sworn testimony that the FBI forensics team created new technology that could scan 300,000+ e-mails for duplicates in a week, it was not true.  None of the e-mails were exact duplicates because Huma had forwarded them to her personal e-mail address.  It would require labor intensive scrutiny by actual people to determine the content of the e-mails.

Yet the review they conducted for classified info was a sample of only about 1% of the e-mails on the laptop.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on August 30, 2018, 12:13:18 PM
The Don McGahn story keeps on changing.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 07, 2018, 04:37:04 PM
14 days, thank you mueller! yuuuge win in russian collusion investigation!

Quote
Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos sentenced to 14 days in prison for lying to FBI

Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos was sentenced Friday to 14 days in prison for lying to the FBI during Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Papadopoulos was also sentenced to 13 months supervised release, 200 hours community service and a $9,500 fine. Before his sentencing, the former adviser said he was “deeply embarrassed and ashamed.”
“My entire life has been turned upside down, I hope to have a second chance to redeem myself,” he said. Mueller’s team had pushed for a six-month prison sentence, while Papadopoulos’ defense had requested probation.

Papadopoulos served as a foreign policy adviser to President Trump’s 2016 campaign, and was the first to plead guilty in the Mueller probe. According to the indictment, Papadopoulos was told by a Maltese professor in April 2016 that Russian officials had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.”

He later attempted to use his links to the professor and Russian nationals to attempt to set up a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. He admitted to lying about those contacts to Mueller’s team, which investigators said led them to miss a chance to interview the professor, Joseph Mifsud.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/07/former-trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-sentenced-to-14-days-in-prison-for-lying-to-fbi.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/07/former-trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-sentenced-to-14-days-in-prison-for-lying-to-fbi.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on September 12, 2018, 10:22:00 AM
Gallup chief: Americans have 'dismissed' idea that Trump acted illegally with Russia
Quote
Gallup Editor-in-Chief Frank Newport said on Tuesday that Americans have come to reject the idea that President Trump did anything criminal with regards to Russian interference in the 2016 election.

"A lot of Americans have kind of dismissed the idea that he [Trump] colluded to the extent that he did something illegal," Newport told Hill.TV's Joe Concha on "What America's Thinking."

"A lot more Americans would say he did something wrong, but it wasn't illegal," he continued.

Newport was referring to a Gallup poll released last week that found that only 29 percent of respondents said they believed Trump acted illegally concerning Russian involvement during the 2016 campaign.

http://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/406119-gallup-chief-americans-have-dismissed-that-trump-acted
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 12, 2018, 10:26:14 AM
Another propaganda post.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on September 12, 2018, 10:54:49 AM
Another propaganda post.

The Hill is a left leaning publication.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 13, 2018, 06:21:30 AM
Maybe you should thank George P. for kick starting the investigation.

14 days, thank you mueller! yuuuge win in russian collusion investigation!

Quote
Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos sentenced to 14 days in prison for lying to FBI

Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos was sentenced Friday to 14 days in prison for lying to the FBI during Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Papadopoulos was also sentenced to 13 months supervised release, 200 hours community service and a $9,500 fine. Before his sentencing, the former adviser said he was “deeply embarrassed and ashamed.”
“My entire life has been turned upside down, I hope to have a second chance to redeem myself,” he said. Mueller’s team had pushed for a six-month prison sentence, while Papadopoulos’ defense had requested probation.

Papadopoulos served as a foreign policy adviser to President Trump’s 2016 campaign, and was the first to plead guilty in the Mueller probe. According to the indictment, Papadopoulos was told by a Maltese professor in April 2016 that Russian officials had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.”

He later attempted to use his links to the professor and Russian nationals to attempt to set up a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. He admitted to lying about those contacts to Mueller’s team, which investigators said led them to miss a chance to interview the professor, Joseph Mifsud.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/07/former-trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-sentenced-to-14-days-in-prison-for-lying-to-fbi.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/07/former-trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-sentenced-to-14-days-in-prison-for-lying-to-fbi.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 13, 2018, 07:24:15 AM
TRUMP — “3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000...”

this latest tweet is not just  Trump being Trump -

The President of the United States just denied the official death toll from Hurricane Maria and blamed it on Democrats.

This is among the lowest statements made by any American president

Yet we know his cult members will buy it hook , line and sinker .

This is what our “democracy” has deranged down to at this point in times .

But those tax cuts and gorsuch and kavanaugh, boy they are sure worth it  !!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on September 13, 2018, 08:33:54 AM

this latest tweet is not just  Trump being Trump -

Are you sure?
(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/599b2f38f1a850c42a8b6180-750-563.jpg)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 13, 2018, 08:58:15 AM

So every argument boils down to this :)

GOP: *throws you down a pit*
DEM: my leg's broken
GOP: I'm sure you have proof. I'll wait
DEM: YOU THREW ME DOWN A PIT
GOP:  so sick of people always bringing up pits
DEM: YOU THREW ME DOWN ONE
GOP:  wow victim card much
DEM: A PIT
GOP:  that talk's exactly why you got thrown down a pit
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 13, 2018, 11:20:21 AM
TRUMP — “3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000...”

this latest tweet is not just  Trump being Trump -

The President of the United States just denied the official death toll from Hurricane Maria and blamed it on Democrats.

This is among the lowest statements made by any American president

Yet we know his cult members will buy it hook , line and sinker .

This is what our “democracy” has deranged down to at this point in times .

But those tax cuts and gorsuch and kavanaugh, boy they are sure worth it  !!

Even the sycophants are staying away from this dip$hitery. DeSantis distanced himself from Trump on this! Imagine that. He won't do much more than that though, which is already a bridge too far for him. Otherwise, he'll receive the wrath of Breitbart crowd, and maybe even Trump.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 13, 2018, 11:28:58 AM
Any chance Reps (Freedom Caucus) vote against welfare for repairing/rebuilding areas affected by Hurricane Florence. Remember, we couldn't afford it for Hurricane Sandy, or so was the argument.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on September 13, 2018, 11:44:08 AM
Say what you will about The Donald and the tweets - but dig deeper with me please:

As of July 9th, 2018 the "official estimated death toll" from Hurricane Maria was 1,427

http://www.p3.pr.gov/assets/pr-draft-recovery-plan-for-comment-july-9-2018.pdf (http://www.p3.pr.gov/assets/pr-draft-recovery-plan-for-comment-july-9-2018.pdf)

( a 14mb file to sift through if there's any interest )

By August 2018, a study commissioned by Puerto Rico through George Washington University reported the number as 2,975 - still an estimate. Note that the deaths "could be attributed directly or indirectly to Hurricane Maria".

https://www.businessinsider.com/hurricane-maria-death-toll-corrected-from-64-to-2975-2018-8 (https://www.businessinsider.com/hurricane-maria-death-toll-corrected-from-64-to-2975-2018-8)

So there are wildly variable numbers that could or could not be verified. The variable numbers are similar to how the 9-11 Attack victims are counted. People list 9-11 dead at "3,000"....  but should we also add in those clean up volunteers who are dying now due to dust inhalation? How about people who couldn't get on the NYC subway on 9-11 and get their insulin refills, causing them to die earlier than expected? Note this scenario is part of the calculations being used to come up with Puerto Rico's estimated death toll numbers.

What I hoped would have come out of these investigations?:

Could have any of the deaths been prevented with better preparation?
Were any deaths directly attributed to the initial and ongoing Federal response?
How much of the blame lies with the local and territorial government?
What were conditions like in the months leading up to the hurricane making landfall?

and generate some solutions based on those solid and verifiable facts. These issues aren't discussed because it takes real thinking and doesn't make for easy headlines.

The President is right to challenge these unsubstantiated estimates. It's a fools game, because it will never be a clearly articulated message that will "win" IMHO

My .02c


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 13, 2018, 12:07:13 PM
Accepting every criticism above of the estimates of deaths directly and indirectly related to the hurricane, now reconcile that with Trump's tweets on the topic, please.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 13, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
how many deaths are attributable to corruption and incompetence by local officials?

Quote
Administration of Trump-bashing Puerto Rican mayor reportedly facing FBI corruption probe

The administration of the mayor of San Juan, Puerto Rico, who shot to international fame after criticizing President Trump for not doing enough to help Hurricane Maria victims, is being investigated by the FBI on corruption charges, according a local news outlet.

Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz and her administration are under fire for allegedly obstructing critical supplies from reaching victims of the category-4 hurricane that leveled much of the tiny U.S. territory nearly nine months ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/trump-bashing-puerto-rican-mayor-reportedly-facing-fbi-corruption-probe.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/trump-bashing-puerto-rican-mayor-reportedly-facing-fbi-corruption-probe.html)

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Donations sent to Puerto Rico were found rotting in parking lot

Donated food sent to Puerto Rico in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria were left to rot in a parking lot of a government facility, CBS News correspondent David Begnaud reported Friday. Additionally, about 10 containers filled with non-perishable supplies sat at the government facility for 11 months.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/puerto-rico-donated-supplies-expired-david-begnaud/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/puerto-rico-donated-supplies-expired-david-begnaud/)

Quote
Trump Is Right! Stockpile of Bottled Water Found Hidden in Puerto Rico

A massive stockpile of bottled water has been found one year after Hurricane Maria there. Hundreds of thousands of water bottles meant for victims of Hurricane Maria are still sitting at a Puerto Rico airport nearly a year after the storm, and there are photos showing the bottles in boxes covered on a blue tarp on a runway.

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/09/12/trump-is-right-stockpile-of-bottled-water-found-hidden-in-puerto-rico/ (https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/09/12/trump-is-right-stockpile-of-bottled-water-found-hidden-in-puerto-rico/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 13, 2018, 01:23:29 PM
You're conflating issues. "How many deaths resulted?" is a different question than "Who is responsible for the deaths that occurred?" Trump is disputing the death toll.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 13, 2018, 01:32:10 PM
For those Trump enthusiasts who feel compelled to defend ("Trumpsplain") Trump, you should read Gaslighting America: Why We Love It When Trump Lies to Us:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062748009/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 13, 2018, 02:12:42 PM
You're conflating issues. "How many deaths resulted?" is a different question than "Who is responsible for the deaths that occurred?" Trump is disputing the death toll.

the point is that nobody knows for sure what is going on down there.  we don't know where supplies are going, we have corrupt officials, and we have 10 different "studies" saying there are 5 to 5,000 deaths.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 13, 2018, 02:16:03 PM
For those Trump enthusiasts who feel compelled to defend ("Trumpsplain") Trump, you should read Gaslighting America: Why We Love It When Trump Lies to Us:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062748009/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I highly recommend it.

trump is officially the greatest book seller in all of history.  seems like every week there is a new book that comes out.  make america read again!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on September 13, 2018, 02:17:00 PM
As to the numbers question - at least it wasn't the 4,600 the New England Journal of Medicine guesstimated back in July.... Yes, this is sarcasm. The numbers vary from an official toll of hundreds to practically "sky's the limit" - depending on your agenda.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1803972?query=featured_home (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1803972?query=featured_home)

As to the whom is at fault question - Anyone who has been to PR (as I have) can see it's for all intents and purposes "La Isla de Tijuana" with a few scattered 5 star resorts to hide away from the surrounding squalor.  So that I'm not displaying right wing bias, here's an article from Mother Jones, as far Left as you might find as a news resource. Note how the Governor (D-Kleptocrat) wants a plan to fix their electrical grid that is opposed by the fiscal control board required to help govern the island after their bankruptcy. Perhaps the graft wasn't going to be sufficient enough to warrant going forward on a plan that might really help the islands people.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/ricardo-rossello-rob-bishop/ (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/ricardo-rossello-rob-bishop/)

It seems best IMHO to either wipe out the local government and completely Federalize the territory, or cut it loose to straighten itself out. Neither are great options, but status quo on the island gave us the 6, 18, 64, 1,400, or 2,975 deaths that could have been prevented with proper leadership.

My .02c


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 13, 2018, 02:18:59 PM
You're conflating issues. "How many deaths resulted?" is a different question than "Who is responsible for the deaths that occurred?" Trump is disputing the death toll.

the point is that nobody knows for sure what is going on down there.  we don't know where supplies are going, we have corrupt officials, and we have 10 different "studies" saying there are 5 to 5,000 deaths.

That most certainly is not Trump's point. He said 6-18 people died and not much after that. He said our response to Puerto Rico was a tremendous success.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 13, 2018, 03:00:32 PM
MAGA geniuses debating numbers - you forgot the simplest argument — The 2,975 who died did not die “IN” the storm but in six month period AFTER the storm.  Now you can all say you “won” the argument . See, you are still
#winning .
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 13, 2018, 03:20:59 PM
You're conflating issues. "How many deaths resulted?" is a different question than "Who is responsible for the deaths that occurred?" Trump is disputing the death toll.

the point is that nobody knows for sure what is going on down there.  we don't know where supplies are going, we have corrupt officials, and we have 10 different "studies" saying there are 5 to 5,000 deaths.

By the way, you just engaged in a Trump gas-lighting favorite. Not only did you conflate two issues, but in doing so, threw out a number of alternative potential facts. The purpose is to reach a point where you can throw up your hands and claim "nobody knows what happened."

It works on a lot of fools...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on September 13, 2018, 03:35:35 PM
You're conflating issues. "How many deaths resulted?" is a different question than "Who is responsible for the deaths that occurred?" Trump is disputing the death toll.

the point is that nobody knows for sure what is going on down there.  we don't know where supplies are going, we have corrupt officials, and we have 10 different "studies" saying there are 5 to 5,000 deaths.

By the way, you just engaged in a Trump gas-lighting favorite. Not only did you conflate two issues, but in doing so, threw out a number of alternative potential facts. The purpose is to reach a point where you can throw up your hands and claim "nobody knows what happened."

It works on a lot of fools...

What does this have to do with The Investigation? 

FACT:  Perspective doesn't like Trump.  Everybody knows that.

Another fact is that those that hate Trump with every ounce of their being, like Perspective, were looking for a way to politicize the deaths and carnage of Hurricane Maria right from the start.  This was never about a fair minded assessment of the response to the hurricane for you.

This is your big Kanye moment:  "George Bush hates black people."  We get it.

Just keep in mind that you are selfishly politicizing the deaths of REAL people.  You don't really care about them, because if you did, you wouldn't be doing what you are doing here.  In that way, you are guilty of what you accuse Trump of.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 13, 2018, 04:43:26 PM
Quite a conclusory statement devoid of any analysis. How exactly did I politicize the deaths?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on September 13, 2018, 05:12:18 PM
Quite a conclusory statement devoid of any analysis. How exactly did I politicize the deaths?

You are looking to score cheap points against Trump and his "sycophants" and trying to bait us into an argument about those that died.

Here's the thing.... Let's suppose for a minute that Trump hates brown people.  The media's narrative still doesn't make sense.

Trump is quite cognizant of the heat that GW Bush caught for Hurricane Katrina, so the last thing he would have wanted was for this to be seen as a failure.  Even if he didn't give a rats ass about Puerto Rico, he still cared about how this was seen politically.  He wanted his handling of the three successive hurricanes in 2016 to be seen as a resounding success.  He would have wanted the praise that would have come with that.

So the premise that Trump saved Houston, but decided to let Puerto Rico suffer makes no sense. 

The media was itching to paint this as a failure right from the beginning, and that mayor wearing the goofy shirts was willing to politicize the deaths and suffering of her own people to score political points.  Sick.

What nobody seems to take into account is that:

1)  Two hurricanes hit the island in rapid succession.
2)  Afterwards, the harbors had to be dredged before any ships could dock.  Otherwise they might hit debris and sink.  This took several days to accomplish due to the extreme complexity of the situation.
3)  San Juan's airport was heavily damaged, initially limiting the ability of planes to land.
4)  The electrical grid was already in a shambles before the hurricanes hit.
5)  The government was bankrupt before the hurricanes, meaning no local resources to fund rescue efforts.
6)  A general culture of corruption in government.

All of this stuff compounded to make it a much more difficult job.

So those wanting to make this disaster a failing of Trump, what exactly do you suggest he should have done differently?  We know Bush was asleep at the wheel during Katrina, but that wasn't the case here.  Should Trump have thrown more resources at it?  According to Reuters, PR has received $16 billion so far.  The anti-Trump media is constantly painting it as a failure, but has any analyst provided commentary about what should have been done differently?

Until a comprehensive report is done on the failings that occurred, isn't everybody just operating based on opinions and not FACTS?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 13, 2018, 05:39:48 PM
Quite a conclusory statement devoid of any analysis. How exactly did I politicize the deaths?

Perspective - don’t worry — people who clutch their pearls over politicizing actual deaths from police shootings or hurricanes ...

... won’t wait two seconds before politicizing a peaceful protest by black NFL players or by a corporation like Nike

All they can do is gang up and attack on posters whose viewpoints differ from their carefully curated right wing  bubble on this forum .
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on September 13, 2018, 06:00:30 PM
Probably the best thing about Hurricane Irma and Maria is last year about this time, all the internet investment and business geniuses were touting how they moved to Puerto Rico and eliminated their taxes.

Not hearing that much now.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 13, 2018, 06:06:39 PM
Quite a conclusory statement devoid of any analysis. How exactly did I politicize the deaths?

You are looking to score cheap points against Trump and his "sycophants" and trying to bait us into an argument about those that died.

Here's the thing.... Let's suppose for a minute that Trump hates brown people.  The media's narrative still doesn't make sense.

Trump is quite cognizant of the heat that GW Bush caught for Hurricane Katrina, so the last thing he would have wanted was for this to be seen as a failure.  Even if he didn't give a rats ass about Puerto Rico, he still cared about how this was seen politically.  He wanted his handling of the three successive hurricanes in 2016 to be seen as a resounding success.  He would have wanted the praise that would have come with that.

So the premise that Trump saved Houston, but decided to let Puerto Rico suffer makes no sense. 

The media was itching to paint this as a failure right from the beginning, and that mayor wearing the goofy shirts was willing to politicize the deaths and suffering of her own people to score political points.  Sick.

What nobody seems to take into account is that:

1)  Two hurricanes hit the island in rapid succession.
2)  Afterwards, the harbors had to be dredged before any ships could dock.  Otherwise they might hit debris and sink.  This took several days to accomplish due to the extreme complexity of the situation.
3)  San Juan's airport was heavily damaged, initially limiting the ability of planes to land.
4)  The electrical grid was already in a shambles before the hurricanes hit.
5)  The government was bankrupt before the hurricanes, meaning no local resources to fund rescue efforts.
6)  A general culture of corruption in government.

All of this stuff compounded to make it a much more difficult job.

So those wanting to make this disaster a failing of Trump, what exactly do you suggest he should have done differently?  We know Bush was asleep at the wheel during Katrina, but that wasn't the case here.  Should Trump have thrown more resources at it?  According to Reuters, PR has received $16 billion so far.  The anti-Trump media is constantly painting it as a failure, but has any analyst provided commentary about what should have been done differently?

Until a comprehensive report is done on the failings that occurred, isn't everybody just operating based on opinions and not FACTS?

So, I am politicizing these deaths, because I identified DeSantis as a sycophant, and commented that in spite of his idolotry of Trump, even he wouldn't support Trump's lies this time regarding the death toll in Puerto Rico?

Or in the alternative, I am also politicizing these deaths because the media may be doing so?

Do I understand your analysis correctly?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 13, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
So Marco Rubio  says on TV that “both sides" need to calm down about Puerto Rico

Would that be the side with 3,000 dead Americans, or the side with Trumpsters saying they aren't dead?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 13, 2018, 06:36:03 PM
So Marco Rubio  says on TV that “both sides" need to calm down about Puerto Rico

Would that be the side with 3,000 dead Americans, or the side with Trumpsters saying they aren't dead?

Speaking of Marco Rubio. Did you see the clip when Rubio told Alex Jones not to touch him?

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2018/sep/06/dont-touch-me-marco-rubio-and-alex-jones-clash-video

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 13, 2018, 06:41:22 PM
So Marco Rubio  says on TV that “both sides" need to calm down about Puerto Rico

Would that be the side with 3,000 dead Americans, or the side with Trumpsters saying they aren't dead?

Speaking of Marco Rubio. Did you see the clip when Rubio told Alex Jones not to touch him?

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2018/sep/06/dont-touch-me-marco-rubio-and-alex-jones-clash-video

Ha , that was great . Would have loved to see little Marco take on the king of tin foil hattery  : )
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 13, 2018, 07:42:11 PM
So Marco Rubio  says on TV that “both sides" need to calm down about Puerto Rico

Would that be the side with 3,000 dead Americans, or the side with Trumpsters saying they aren't dead?

Speaking of Marco Rubio. Did you see the clip when Rubio told Alex Jones not to touch him?

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2018/sep/06/dont-touch-me-marco-rubio-and-alex-jones-clash-video

Ha , that was great . Would have loved to see little Marco take on the king of tin foil hattery  : )

My favorite line: When Rubio said I got to go to committee, you guys can talk to this clown.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 14, 2018, 08:58:21 AM
Another witch flipped. Just a couple remain.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 14, 2018, 09:04:29 AM
Another witch flipped. Just a couple remain.

:)  you guys not getting indigestion yet from eating those nothingburgers  ?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 14, 2018, 09:15:25 AM
Here is my “copy and paste” of the day from fake news media .

Is it the economy , stupid ?  But then What’s up with all the doomsday imagery .

In minority rule (Republican base today ) , you can only win via fear and appeals to tribalism . 

And ignorant me, I  believed all these smart TI posters that tax cuts were popular :)

Bloomberg News :  Nervous Republicans Revive ‘Carnage’ as Midterm Turnout Strategy
2018-09-14 08:00:16.44
9 GMT


By Joshua Green
(Bloomberg Businessweek) -- Donald Trump declared in his
inaugural address that the days of “American carnage” are over.
But the man who wrote those words is summoning images of
violence once again—this time as part of an attempt by anxious
conservatives to persuade uninterested voters to show up at the
polls and save Republican congressional majorities in November.
Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon’s new
film, Trump @War, features scenes of the president’s supporters
being punched, kicked, and clubbed by anti-Trump protesters, as
well as a parade of liberal celebrities wishing violence on
Trump—or, in the case of comedian Kathy Griffin, wielding a
replica of his severed head. The film debuted on Sept. 12 on the
conservative cable station One America News Network and will be
broadcast several more times. Fox News prime-time hosts from
Laura Ingraham to Sean Hannity have devoted substantial airtime
to the supposed scourge of left-wing violence, including the
black-clad, antifascist protesters known as “antifa.” And
President Trump, in an Aug. 28 White House meeting with
evangelical leaders, warned of “left-wing violence” if Democrats
win control of Congress in the midterm elections.
“They will overturn everything that we’ve done, and they
will do it quickly and violently. And violently. There is
violence. W
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 14, 2018, 09:20:09 AM
Another witch flipped. Just a couple remain.

:)  you guys not getting indigestion yet from eating those nothingburgers  ?

Just been burping and adding to the carbon footprint from all the hot air and baloney in those burgers.  Need to wash it down with a beer this weekend.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 14, 2018, 11:03:37 AM
Another witch flipped. Just a couple remain.

i'll have my nothingburger with cheese, please

Quote
Paul Manafort Pleads Guilty, Agrees To Cooperate With Prosecutors

The plea agreement says Manafort agrees to cooperate in any and all matters as to which the government deems the cooperation relevant. That includes testifying fully and completely before a grand jury in Washington, D.C., or elsewhere.

But one person familiar with the case said the agreement does not include cooperation on matters involving the Trump campaign. The individual asked not to be identified.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/14/643073024/paul-manafort-to-plead-guilty-in-agreement-to-avert-a-second-federal-trial (https://www.npr.org/2018/09/14/643073024/paul-manafort-to-plead-guilty-in-agreement-to-avert-a-second-federal-trial)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 14, 2018, 11:19:30 AM
Even if it did, who cares?  They have been sweating Manafort's business partner, Rick Gates (remember him?) for seven months with his full cooperation.  If he didn't give them any meat then Manafort's fridge is empty too.  Nothingburgers on the house.

Rick Gates Pleads Guilty And Begins Cooperating With Mueller's Russia Investigation
February 23, 201811:00 AM ET

Rick Gates, the business partner of Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, pleaded guilty on Friday to two charges and will begin cooperating with federal prosecutors investigating the Trump campaign and Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Gates appeared in federal court on Friday afternoon. He told Judge Amy Berman Jackson he was making the plea of his own free will.

Under U.S. sentencing guidelines, Gates could get between four and six years in prison, but prosecutors said they would consider Gates' cooperation with their investigation and could later ask the court to be lenient.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/23/588253673/rick-gates-paul-manaforts-business-partner-expected-to-plead-guilty (https://www.npr.org/2018/02/23/588253673/rick-gates-paul-manaforts-business-partner-expected-to-plead-guilty)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 14, 2018, 11:37:59 AM
Isn’t a more logical position that “I just don’t know “

Why are you so sure about trumps and his family’s innocence

Maybe he escapes narrowly , maybe trump jr gets indicted , who knows

But aren’t you atleast a litttle bit curious ?

This is precisely why the the Republican Party of today is a cult
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 14, 2018, 12:01:04 PM
In this leak ridden, Trump hating environment the FACT that nothing has been put forth is strong evidence that nothing will be.  Not cult belief, just common sense.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 14, 2018, 12:04:34 PM
In this leak ridden, Trump hating environment the FACT that nothing has been put forth is strong evidence that nothing will be.  Not cult belief, just common sense.

Occasionally you stumble into a reasonable opinion. This is one.

The operable word in your statement above, is "if."
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 14, 2018, 12:20:48 PM
What's the over/under on number of hours/days before Trump begins attacking Manafort, after praising him repeatedly? I'm going with 1.5 days - Expect the name calling and bullying to begin in early Sunday morning tweets.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Compressed-Village on September 14, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
What's the over/under on number of hours/days before Trump begins attacking Manafort, after praising him repeatedly? I'm going with 1.5 days - Expect the name calling and bullying to begin in early Sunday morning tweets.

ha ha, Good one Fortune11. He ran over his friends and backup and run over again to make sure it hurts when he see no loyalties any more.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 14, 2018, 12:41:33 PM
Paul Manafort’s plea deal includes forfeiting $46 million in assets. Mueller’s investigation has only cost $30 million.
The US Government and this “witch hunt” just turned a profit.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 14, 2018, 01:41:17 PM
Paul Manafort’s plea deal includes forfeiting $46 million in assets. Mueller’s investigation has only cost $30 million.
The US Government and this “witch hunt” just turned a profit.

so when we find trump innocent, we can agree that trump helped put some criminals behind bars (drain the swamp), fully funded "skilled" jobs for 18 months, and turned a profit!  thank you trump!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 14, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
Paul Manafort’s plea deal includes forfeiting $46 million in assets. Mueller’s investigation has only cost $30 million.
The US Government and this “witch hunt” just turned a profit.

so when we find trump innocent, we can agree that trump helped put some criminals behind bars (drain the swamp), fully funded "skilled" jobs for 18 months, and turned a profit!  thank you trump!

Isn’t this all the more reason for your cult leader to support mueller ?

If he is really innocent ?

Do you guys ever work w logic in your daily jobs
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Compressed-Village on September 14, 2018, 02:04:45 PM
Paul Manafort’s plea deal includes forfeiting $46 million in assets. Mueller’s investigation has only cost $30 million.
The US Government and this “witch hunt” just turned a profit.

so when we find trump innocent, we can agree that trump helped put some criminals behind bars (drain the swamp), fully funded "skilled" jobs for 18 months, and turned a profit!  thank you trump!

Isn’t this all the more reason for your cult leader to support mueller ?

If he is really innocent ?

Do you guys ever work w logic in your daily jobs

 :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 14, 2018, 02:11:11 PM
Paul Manafort’s plea deal includes forfeiting $46 million in assets. Mueller’s investigation has only cost $30 million.
The US Government and this “witch hunt” just turned a profit.

so when we find trump innocent, we can agree that trump helped put some criminals behind bars (drain the swamp), fully funded "skilled" jobs for 18 months, and turned a profit!  thank you trump!

Isn’t this all the more reason for your cult leader to support mueller ?

If he is really innocent ?

Do you guys ever work w logic in your daily jobs

 :)

Who next?
Roger
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 14, 2018, 02:14:16 PM
Yep, Roger Stone has been a shady character for decades. Then Junior's in the cross-hairs.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 14, 2018, 03:03:56 PM
Paul Manafort’s plea deal includes forfeiting $46 million in assets. Mueller’s investigation has only cost $30 million.
The US Government and this “witch hunt” just turned a profit.

so when we find trump innocent, we can agree that trump helped put some criminals behind bars (drain the swamp), fully funded "skilled" jobs for 18 months, and turned a profit!  thank you trump!

Isn’t this all the more reason for your cult leader to support mueller ?

If he is really innocent ?

Do you guys ever work w logic in your daily jobs

the issue is not about supporting an investigation, it's about an investigation that has gone on far too long with proven undertones of political bias.  since anonymous sources and leaks drive the news cycle nowadays, we would know by now if inspector gadget had anything damaging on trump.  if you truly don't understand trump's position at this point in time i wonder if your logic is being clouded by your tds  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 14, 2018, 03:16:36 PM
how many deaths are attributable to corruption and incompetence by local officials?

Quote
Administration of Trump-bashing Puerto Rican mayor reportedly facing FBI corruption probe

The administration of the mayor of San Juan, Puerto Rico, who shot to international fame after criticizing President Trump for not doing enough to help Hurricane Maria victims, is being investigated by the FBI on corruption charges, according a local news outlet.

Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz and her administration are under fire for allegedly obstructing critical supplies from reaching victims of the category-4 hurricane that leveled much of the tiny U.S. territory nearly nine months ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/trump-bashing-puerto-rican-mayor-reportedly-facing-fbi-corruption-probe.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/trump-bashing-puerto-rican-mayor-reportedly-facing-fbi-corruption-probe.html)

Quote
Donations sent to Puerto Rico were found rotting in parking lot

Donated food sent to Puerto Rico in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria were left to rot in a parking lot of a government facility, CBS News correspondent David Begnaud reported Friday. Additionally, about 10 containers filled with non-perishable supplies sat at the government facility for 11 months.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/puerto-rico-donated-supplies-expired-david-begnaud/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/puerto-rico-donated-supplies-expired-david-begnaud/)

Quote
Trump Is Right! Stockpile of Bottled Water Found Hidden in Puerto Rico

A massive stockpile of bottled water has been found one year after Hurricane Maria there. Hundreds of thousands of water bottles meant for victims of Hurricane Maria are still sitting at a Puerto Rico airport nearly a year after the storm, and there are photos showing the bottles in boxes covered on a blue tarp on a runway.

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/09/12/trump-is-right-stockpile-of-bottled-water-found-hidden-in-puerto-rico/ (https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/09/12/trump-is-right-stockpile-of-bottled-water-found-hidden-in-puerto-rico/)

"Tremendous success," right?

FEMA Says It Left Puerto Rico Water Stockpile Outside To Save Money
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fema-says-left-puerto-rico-212801552.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 14, 2018, 03:17:38 PM
How does anyone, ever, end up on RushLimbaugh.com?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 14, 2018, 03:28:42 PM
Kings - you really need to make up your mind if we should thank trump or not . This back and forth between trying to thread a wisecrack and then suddenly acting serious when we call you out on your ( il) logic is making our heads spin

Now I need to go to rushlimbaugh.com to clear my head
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 14, 2018, 03:37:52 PM
Kings - you really need to make up your mind if we should thank trump or not . This back and forth between trying to thread a wisecrack and then suddenly acting serious when we call you out on your ( il) logic is making our heads spin

Now I need to go to rushlimbaugh.com to clear my head

Why not Alex J? Ha  ;)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 24, 2018, 08:35:47 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 24, 2018, 09:09:15 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)

I thought everything from the failing NY Times was fake? Why is this an issue? If it's true, and we all know it likely is, the bigger question is, how crazy are things in this White House that recording Trump would reveal, and cause consideration for invoking the 25th?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 24, 2018, 09:18:40 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)

I thought everything from the failing NY Times was fake? Why is this an issue? If it's true, and we all know it likely is, the bigger question is, how crazy are things in this White House that recording Trump would reveal, and cause consideration for invoking the 25th?

For kicks and laughs: I think it will be hard to invoke the 25th.
1. VP and majority of cabinet members declaration against President
2. Majority of congress 2/3 has to approve it
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 24, 2018, 09:21:47 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)

I thought everything from the failing NY Times was fake? Why is this an issue? If it's true, and we all know it likely is, the bigger question is, how crazy are things in this White House that recording Trump would reveal, and cause consideration for invoking the 25th?

For kicks and laughs: I think it will be hard to invoke the 25th.
1. VP and majority of cabinet members declaration against President
2. Majority of congress 2/3 has to approve it

Exactly. So, what could possibly be occurring, that could be recorded, to get over these huge hurdles to remove the President?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 24, 2018, 09:26:21 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)

I thought everything from the failing NY Times was fake? Why is this an issue? If it's true, and we all know it likely is, the bigger question is, how crazy are things in this White House that recording Trump would reveal, and cause consideration for invoking the 25th?

For kicks and laughs: I think it will be hard to invoke the 25th.
1. VP and majority of cabinet members declaration against President
2. Majority of congress 2/3 has to approve it

Exactly. So, what could possibly be occurring, that could be recorded, to get over these huge hurdles to remove the President?

I don’t know. Joking around?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 24, 2018, 09:45:05 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)

I thought everything from the failing NY Times was fake? Why is this an issue? If it's true, and we all know it likely is, the bigger question is, how crazy are things in this White House that recording Trump would reveal, and cause consideration for invoking the 25th?

For kicks and laughs: I think it will be hard to invoke the 25th.
1. VP and majority of cabinet members declaration against President
2. Majority of congress 2/3 has to approve it

Exactly. So, what could possibly be occurring, that could be recorded, to get over these huge hurdles to remove the President?

I don’t know. Joking around?

That's what we have to hope. The alternative is scary - that things are so insane in this White House, that recording Trump could possibly reveal info that could overcome the steep 25th Amendment hurdles.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 24, 2018, 10:12:26 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)




...or Fakenews...no resignation or firing happened.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 24, 2018, 10:15:01 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)




...or Fakenews...no resignation or firing happened.

Trump is going to meet with him this Thursday.
(fake?) Announced by Sanders
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 24, 2018, 10:40:52 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)




...or Fakenews...no resignation or firing happened.

Trump is going to meet with him this Thursday.
(fake?) Announced by Sanders

i heard rosenstein is also going to testify against kavanaugh for exposing his pee pee while at the official white house urinals
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 24, 2018, 10:49:44 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)




...or Fakenews...no resignation or firing happened.

Trump is going to meet with him this Thursday.
(fake?) Announced by Sanders

What are they using Pre-cogs now to predict the future?  Let's report on what did not happen. This type of tabloid reporting is ridiculous.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein DOESN'T resign and isn't fired over plans to wiretap Trump and use 25th Amendment to oust him – but ends up attending Cabinet meeting instead

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's goose appeared cooked for a few hours Monday morning
Reports emerged late last week that he had plotted to oust President Trump via the 25th Amendment and secretary record him to build a case for it
Following a series of news reports that had Rosenstein either quitting or resigning, he attended a routine Cabinet meeting at the White House

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6202247/Deputy-attorney-general-Rod-Rosenstein-RESIGNS-Trump-fire-him.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6202247/Deputy-attorney-general-Rod-Rosenstein-RESIGNS-Trump-fire-him.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 24, 2018, 10:57:18 AM
Again it’s impossible for Rosenstein to iniate the 25th.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 24, 2018, 11:11:07 AM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)




...or Fakenews...no resignation or firing happened.

Trump is going to meet with him this Thursday.
(fake?) Announced by Sanders

i heard rosenstein is also going to testify against kavanaugh for exposing his pee pee while at the official white house urinals

Good job - more jokes about sexual assault. The Reps are trying to lose every woman voter in these mid-terms.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 24, 2018, 11:59:08 AM
This is not "guilty till proven innocent". I would give her the benefit if she or this new one had just one witness to back up even an inkling of their stories.  So far, neither one can.  In fact quite the opposite seems true,  their "best friends" can't recall either incident ever happening. Now creepy porn lawyer want in on the action.  This whole thing looks more and more like a political hit job. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on September 24, 2018, 12:02:30 PM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)




...or Fakenews...no resignation or firing happened.

Trump is going to meet with him this Thursday.
(fake?) Announced by Sanders

i heard rosenstein is also going to testify against kavanaugh for exposing his pee pee while at the official white house urinals

Good job - more jokes about sexual assault. The Reps are trying to lose every woman voter in these mid-terms.

i have not commented on these threads lately as people will be quick to change their arguments right after the election results come out and claiming they always saw this or that coming. 

Bottomline is this -- Nothing , and absolutely nothing is disqualifying for today's GOP .  Mcconnell is himself on record telling donors that the supreme court is how the dying GOP can rule for a generation, even if gerrymandered election results dont go their way in future cycles.  Toads like Sheldon Adelson (casino mogul) want their supreme court pick voted on now. And he will get it , just like he got the Iran sanctions and the embassy move to jerusalem. 

But I do agree with eyephone and perspective.  GOP is losing women voters, esp educated suburban ones by the droves and possibly for a long time. 

there will always be older white women in orange county that will support GOP and try and justify it to their high school and college age daughters.  but they just aren't enough in #. (some of them were standing on corner of jamboree and barranca near district waving and shouting in glee at passing motorists in october 2016 when the comey letter came out) .

What should be more concerning to GOP is their low information voters increasingly start to believe Trump that all polls are fake and there is no blue wave, and stay at home.  The supreme court ideologues and evangelicals will be out in full force to fulfill God's will but will they be enough ?

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 24, 2018, 12:11:01 PM
It’s about to go down. Rosenstein is currently at the Whitehouse.

There can be several outcomes: (assumptions)
Clarification on his comment,
Resigning,
Going to get fired?

(according to msnbc)




...or Fakenews...no resignation or firing happened.

Trump is going to meet with him this Thursday.
(fake?) Announced by Sanders

i heard rosenstein is also going to testify against kavanaugh for exposing his pee pee while at the official white house urinals

Good job - more jokes about sexual assault. The Reps are trying to lose every woman voter in these mid-terms.

the flip side?  republicans will certainly lose the house and the senate if they fail to see through this smear campaign and vote a highly qualified judge to the supreme court.  if they don't confirm kavanaugh, they will lose more than just the woman voters.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on September 24, 2018, 12:20:38 PM
There's a thread for the SCOTUS issue. I was responding to a joke about sexual assault.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on October 02, 2018, 01:51:45 PM
More details about another self-proclaimed self-made privileged man:

Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 02, 2018, 02:02:42 PM
It’s past the statue of limitations?
I don’t know
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 02, 2018, 02:24:15 PM
More details about another self-proclaimed self-made privileged man:

Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

Quote
By age 3, Mr. Trump was earning $200,000 a year in today’s dollars from his father’s empire. He was a millionaire by age 8.

breaking news! toddler uses popular tax loopholes to earn millions!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on October 02, 2018, 02:36:12 PM
This story is out there because his CFO flipped

MAGA — embracing verified tax frauds to own the libs . Still #winning , you see
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 03, 2018, 08:43:55 AM
It’s past the statue of limitations?
I don’t know


Statue of limitations is 3 years from the filing.  All this happened decades ago so no criminal charges could be filed.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 03, 2018, 08:55:22 AM
It’s past the statue of limitations?
I don’t know


Statue of limitations is 3 years from the filing.  All this happened decades ago so no criminal charges could be filed.

His reputation is at stake.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Compressed-Village on October 03, 2018, 09:04:46 AM
It’s past the statue of limitations?
I don’t know


Statue of limitations is 3 years from the filing.  All this happened decades ago so no criminal charges could be filed.

His reputation is at stake.

Reputation of Cheats and Lies continue to rolls  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on October 03, 2018, 09:10:15 AM
It’s past the statue of limitations?
I don’t know


Statue of limitations is 3 years from the filing.  All this happened decades ago so no criminal charges could be filed.

His reputation is at stake.

Well... We already knew this. We knew he was lying about the help he received from his parents. Now we just have a better idea of the extent of the financial assistance. His base (low character and ethics folks) will brush it off, like everything else.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: zubs on October 03, 2018, 10:27:35 AM
Morekaos doesn't care if Trump raped children back in 82.  As long as his party wins!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Compressed-Village on October 03, 2018, 10:30:48 AM
Morekaos doesn't care if Trump raped children back in 82.  As long as his party wins!

passed the statue of limitation.   >:(
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Cares on October 03, 2018, 10:49:49 AM
Morekaos doesn't care if Trump raped children back in 82.  As long as his party wins!

As long as thoughts and prayers are given it'll all be okay!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: aquabliss on October 03, 2018, 10:57:40 AM
Morekaos doesn't care if Trump raped children back in 82.  As long as his party wins!

passed the statue of limitation.   >:(

Statue of limitations :)

(http://dreamcatchersforabusedchildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Statue_of_Limitations.jpg)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Happiness on October 03, 2018, 11:50:32 AM
Taxes? Trump can shoot someone in the middle of Times Square and no one would care.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 03, 2018, 11:51:14 AM
Taxes? Trump can shoot someone in the middle of Times Square and no one would care.

Are you sure?
Do you know something we don’t know?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 03, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Super funny!!

https://youtu.be/iTACH1eVIaA

https://youtu.be/iTACH1eVIaA (https://youtu.be/iTACH1eVIaA)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Compressed-Village on October 03, 2018, 03:48:51 PM
Super funny!!

https://youtu.be/iTACH1eVIaA

https://youtu.be/iTACH1eVIaA (https://youtu.be/iTACH1eVIaA)

Morekaos, thanks for the link and now you can bend over please. You can take one from him...... :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 03, 2018, 05:03:24 PM
Like my namesake, I like the Kaos!!.  :)

https://youtu.be/3p4bLO6OPkI

https://youtu.be/3p4bLO6OPkI (https://youtu.be/3p4bLO6OPkI)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on October 04, 2018, 10:15:37 AM
Let's investigate all tax cheats. How did the IRS fail so badly here?

Probes of Trump taxes carry potential for millions in fines
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/probes-of-trump-taxes-carry-potential-for-millions-in-fines/ar-BBNTVKX?li=BBnbfcL
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: OCAgentGold on October 04, 2018, 10:21:19 AM
I wonder why someone would post a link to a news story? Why not just read the back of a cereal box? You will find more truth there...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on October 04, 2018, 11:25:50 AM
THE FAMILY BUSINESS: TRUMP AND TAXES
ON SHOWTIME
Sunday, Oct 7 at 8:30 PM ET/PT
http://www.sho.com/titles/3465228/the-family-business-trump-and-taxes
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 04, 2018, 11:36:23 AM
I wonder why someone would post a link to a news story? Why not just read the back of a cereal box? You will find more truth there...

It’s called plagiarism if you don’t give credit to the source of the information.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on October 04, 2018, 01:40:08 PM
Speaking of tax cheats and tax fraud, one of the many good things in the Reps' tax change was eliminating the entertainment/meals deduction. How annoying was it dining with your self-employed friends and watching them keep the receipt and write a note on it (in order to deduct meal/drinks completely unrelated to their business)?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 04, 2018, 01:43:32 PM
Speaking of tax cheats and tax fraud, one of the many good things in the Reps' tax change was eliminating the entertainment/meals deduction. How annoying was it dining with your self-employed friends and watching them keep the receipt and write a note on it (in order to deduct meal/drinks completely unrelated to their business)?

Bro that was a gold mind.

Or charge it to the client. (hopefully the budget had room for food charges)


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on October 04, 2018, 02:06:32 PM
Speaking of tax cheats and tax fraud, one of the many good things in the Reps' tax change was eliminating the entertainment/meals deduction. How annoying was it dining with your self-employed friends and watching them keep the receipt and write a note on it (in order to deduct meal/drinks completely unrelated to their business)?

Bro that was a gold mind.

Or charge it to the client. (hopefully the budget had room for food charges)




eh, Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, Torture.

When it comes to tax law, a surprising amount boils down to what you call it.  Partying isn't partying if you're having a promotional event and a promotional event isn't a business expense if you're partying.

Perjury is the same way.   Making a false statement under oath is not perjury.  Willfully telling an untruth under oath is perjury.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 12, 2018, 03:56:25 PM
one does not willingly just give up their clearance.  i hear orange jumpsuits are very fashionable this time of year  >:D

Quote
Clinton's security clearance withdrawn at her request

The State Department has revoked former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's security clearance after she requested that it be withdrawn, according to a letter released Friday by a top GOP senator.
 
The State Department—in a letter dated Sept. 21 but publicly released Friday— told Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, that the security clearance was revoked on August 30 after Clinton requested that it be withdrawn.
 
"We would like to provide you with an update on the status of former Secretary Clinton's security clearance and the ongoing administrative review pertaining to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other current and former department officials," Charles Faulkner, the acting assistant secretary of legislative affairs, wrote to Grassley.
 
The State Department added in the letter to Grassley that five of Clinton's aides had also had their security clearance revoked.
 
Four of the names are redacted but one aide listed in the email is Cheryl Mills, who worked as Clinton's chief of staff.
 
"As we previously informed the committee, these individuals had been granted access to classified information through a request made by Secretary Clinton designating them as researchers," Faulkner added.
 
Clinton's security clearance has been a long-running sore spot for conservatives after the FBI, led by then-Director James Comey, found in 2016 that Clinton had been "extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."
 
Clinton used a private email server during her time as secretary of State, and was attacked by President Trump and Republicans about it during the 2016 presidential campaign when she became the Democratic nominee.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/411219-clintons-security-clearance-withdrawn-at-her-request (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/411219-clintons-security-clearance-withdrawn-at-her-request)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 15, 2018, 06:06:24 PM
in case you were tired of winning today!

Quote
Stormy Daniels defamation suit against Trump tossed on 1st Amendment grounds

A federal judge in Los Angeles on Monday threw out adult-film actress Stormy Daniel’s defamation lawsuit against President Trump on free-speech grounds.

“The court agrees with Mr. Trump’s argument because the tweet in question constitutes ‘rhetorical hyperbole’ normally associated with politics and public discourse in the U.S.,” U.S. District Judge S. James Otero in Los Angeles said in a ruling Monday, as Bloomberg reported. “The First Amendment protects this type of rhetorical statement.”

Trump’s camp labeled the Monday ruling as a major win.

“The ruling also states that the President is entitled to an award of his attorneys’ fees against Stormy Daniels,” Trump attorney Charles Harder said in a statement to Fox News. “No amount of spin or commentary by Stormy Daniels or her lawyer, Mr. (Michael) Avenatti, can truthfully characterize today’s ruling in any way other than total victory for President Trump and total defeat for Stormy Daniels.  The amount of the award for President Trump’s attorneys’ fees will be determined at a later date.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/stormy-daniels-defamation-suit-against-trump-tossed-on-1st-amendment-grounds (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/stormy-daniels-defamation-suit-against-trump-tossed-on-1st-amendment-grounds)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 15, 2018, 06:54:57 PM
Calling people names is nothing to brag about.

in case you were tired of winning today!

Quote
Stormy Daniels defamation suit against Trump tossed on 1st Amendment grounds

A federal judge in Los Angeles on Monday threw out adult-film actress Stormy Daniel’s defamation lawsuit against President Trump on free-speech grounds.

“The court agrees with Mr. Trump’s argument because the tweet in question constitutes ‘rhetorical hyperbole’ normally associated with politics and public discourse in the U.S.,” U.S. District Judge S. James Otero in Los Angeles said in a ruling Monday, as Bloomberg reported. “The First Amendment protects this type of rhetorical statement.”

Trump’s camp labeled the Monday ruling as a major win.

“The ruling also states that the President is entitled to an award of his attorneys’ fees against Stormy Daniels,” Trump attorney Charles Harder said in a statement to Fox News. “No amount of spin or commentary by Stormy Daniels or her lawyer, Mr. (Michael) Avenatti, can truthfully characterize today’s ruling in any way other than total victory for President Trump and total defeat for Stormy Daniels.  The amount of the award for President Trump’s attorneys’ fees will be determined at a later date.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/stormy-daniels-defamation-suit-against-trump-tossed-on-1st-amendment-grounds (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/stormy-daniels-defamation-suit-against-trump-tossed-on-1st-amendment-grounds)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 15, 2018, 07:14:37 PM
Yes, she called him many mean names.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 15, 2018, 07:19:41 PM
Yes, she called him many mean names.

Is that how you raise your children? (Hypothetical)

A person who cuts you on the road. Do you roll on by and call that person a wack job?

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 15, 2018, 07:26:59 PM
You need to find your sense of humor and tap it. It is something people don’t understand  about Trump...he is hilarious, too many do not get it.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 15, 2018, 07:33:57 PM
You need to find your sense of humor and tap it. It is something people don’t understand  about Trump...he is hilarious, too many do not get it.

It’s not funny. Before he got into office. He said he wants to bring the country together. (I think on CBS news) He has yet to do that.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on October 15, 2018, 08:23:54 PM
You want funny ? Here is funny

https://thenib.com/what-s-a-democrat-to-do?utm_campaign=newsletter-links&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 15, 2018, 08:37:00 PM
This is still funny...

https://youtu.be/PLvEBir9hBc

https://youtu.be/PLvEBir9hBc (https://youtu.be/PLvEBir9hBc)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 16, 2018, 06:20:45 AM
what's funny is all of those gofundme campaigns for stormy will now be paying trump's lawyers!  ;D
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on October 16, 2018, 08:18:57 AM
Even funnier ... enjoy !

https://thenib.com/some-bad-news-for-earth?utm_campaign=newsletter-links&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 17, 2018, 06:27:40 AM
like i said, findings dragged out and not released until after midterms.  no collusion. 

if there really was anything to this hoax it would have been leaked or announced before midterms.

so where will the dems pivot next?  horseface?

Quote
Mueller ready to deliver core findings on Trump probe after midterms: report

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is set to issue findings of some of the core aspects of his investigation into the alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia shortly after the November midterm elections, Bloomberg reported.

The outlet, citing two anonymous U.S. officials, reported that Mueller is finalizing the conclusions related to the questions on whether President Trump’s campaign cooperated with Russia and whether he took any actions that could constitute obstruction of justice.

The Justice Department did not immediately respond to an email from Fox News.

It’s possible that Mueller’s finding won’t be made public if he doesn’t secure unsealed indictments, according to Bloomberg. The findings will be provided to his boss, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-ready-to-deliver-core-findings-on-trump-probe-after-midterms-report (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-ready-to-deliver-core-findings-on-trump-probe-after-midterms-report)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on October 17, 2018, 07:27:09 AM
Kings - you are getting a bit unhinged there . Why the insecurity — Anything making you nervous 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 17, 2018, 09:17:02 AM
Kings - you are getting a bit unhinged there . Why the insecurity — Anything making you nervous

haha, nice projection.  still stinging from all the winning?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on October 18, 2018, 08:56:46 PM
Add another investigation to the Dems' list should they take the House:

Trump Closely Involved In Killing FBI’s Move Out Of Washington, Emails Show
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-hotel-fbi-headquarters-pennsylvania-ave_us_5bc8a70de4b0a8f17eea199c

There is a specific Constitutional clause for these situations, and Trump has multiple issues to investigate. Are the Reps who purport to worship the Constitution gonna do anything about it?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on October 19, 2018, 10:04:08 AM
Is Fraud Part of the Trump Organization’s Business Model?
A new investigation shows a pattern in different projects around the country and the world.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/swamp-chronicles/is-fraud-part-of-the-trump-organizations-business-model

Epic schadenfreude awaits the downfall of this grift enterprise.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on October 19, 2018, 03:52:28 PM
The Saudis clearly haven't been to Trump University's class on political denial-ism. Deny, deny, deny! Everything! Regardless of how stupid it makes you look.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 20, 2018, 07:16:40 AM
The Saudis clearly haven't been to Trump University's class on political denial-ism. Deny, deny, deny! Everything! Regardless of how stupid it makes you look.

speaking of looking stupid

Quote
Castro slammed for ‘slanderous’ lie after suggesting Kushner may have orchestrated Khashoggi murder

The White House on Friday slammed Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, after he claimed that President Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, may have orchestrated the brutal killing of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi -- a claim he walked back later.

The rep told CNN that the Trump adviser and "U.S. intelligence" could have passed around a so-called “enemies list” that was viewed by Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. Poppy Harlow, the anchor, challenged Castro, saying the network had no knowledge of the "reporting" he cited. But he responded that he's seen "reporting to that effect."

Sarah Sanders, the White House press secretary, took to Twitter to call out the congressman for presenting the allegations "without a shred of proof." She said it was reprehensible for Castro to cite an article that was "completely debunked."

Castro took to Twitter later in an attempt to clarify his comments. He said he did not intend to accuse Kushner of "orchestrating anything."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/castro-slammed-for-slanderous-lie-after-suggestingkushner-may-have-orchestrated-khashoggi-murder (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/castro-slammed-for-slanderous-lie-after-suggestingkushner-may-have-orchestrated-khashoggi-murder)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Loco_local on October 20, 2018, 10:48:23 AM
From March:

SAUDI CROWN PRINCE BOASTED THAT JARED KUSHNER WAS “IN HIS POCKET"

Quote
In late October, Jared Kushner made an unannounced trip to Riyadh, catching some intelligence officials off guard. “The two princes are said to have stayed up until nearly 4 a.m. several nights, swapping stories and planning strategy,” the Washington Post’s David Ignatius reported at the time.

What exactly Kushner and the Saudi royal talked about in Riyadh may be known only to them, but after the meeting, Crown Prince Mohammed told confidants that Kushner had discussed the names of Saudis disloyal to the crown prince, according to three sources who have been in contact with members of the Saudi and Emirati royal families since the crackdown. Kushner, through his attorney’s spokesperson, denies having done so.

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/21/jared-kushner-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on October 20, 2018, 06:50:05 PM
From March:

SAUDI CROWN PRINCE BOASTED THAT JARED KUSHNER WAS “IN HIS POCKET"

Quote
In late October, Jared Kushner made an unannounced trip to Riyadh, catching some intelligence officials off guard. “The two princes are said to have stayed up until nearly 4 a.m. several nights, swapping stories and planning strategy,” the Washington Post’s David Ignatius reported at the time.

What exactly Kushner and the Saudi royal talked about in Riyadh may be known only to them, but after the meeting, Crown Prince Mohammed told confidants that Kushner had discussed the names of Saudis disloyal to the crown prince, according to three sources who have been in contact with members of the Saudi and Emirati royal families since the crackdown. Kushner, through his attorney’s spokesperson, denies having done so.

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/21/jared-kushner-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman/

The Saudi’s are literally starving the neighboring country of Yemen to death (potential to be the worst famine in world history since Churchill cut off food supplies to millions of Indians in Ww2) 

But I guess defense contracts and hotel investments trump everything else . We are comfortably numb.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on November 05, 2018, 01:34:56 PM
(https://i.redd.it/af22v6u0shw11.jpg)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on November 05, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Let’s see what happens to Roger Stone
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on November 05, 2018, 01:43:47 PM
(https://i.redd.it/af22v6u0shw11.jpg)

Maybe Trump shouldn’t fire Comey and there wouldn’t be the Mueller probe.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Perspective on November 06, 2018, 07:46:09 PM
The Ways & Means Committee will request Trump's tax returns.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on November 07, 2018, 12:33:26 PM
The Ways & Means Committee will request Trump's tax returns.

This will undoubtedly end up before the Supreme Court.  If Congress can pull and leak the President's returns, they could also pull a Supreme Court Justice's returns if they don't vote properly on a big case..  It hits a little close to home.  What do you think?  7-2 split?  8-1?

Aside from the legal issues, I thought Democrats were committed to maintaining the institutions of democracy?  How do they justify leaking the returns of a political enemy? (Answer: Cognitive dissonance)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on November 07, 2018, 12:45:22 PM
Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump on Wednesday fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

"At your request I am submitting my resignation," Sessions wrote in a letter to White House chief of staff John Kelly.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/07/politics/sessions-resign/index.html

Look at the key words “at your request”
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on November 07, 2018, 01:15:16 PM
Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump on Wednesday fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

"At your request I am submitting my resignation," Sessions wrote in a letter to White House chief of staff John Kelly.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/07/politics/sessions-resign/index.html

Look at the key words “at your request”

The acting AG will not be recused, so Rod Rosenstein is effectively out as Mueller's supervisor.  Getting the new AG confirmed is also made more expeditious with the larger Republican majority.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 03, 2018, 08:44:47 PM
Can someone tell me who is Scott Free?  ;)

Webster Twitter regarding the word “Scott Free”
“Scot-free': completely free from obligation, harm, or penalty

'Scott Free': some guy, probably”

https://www.merriam-webster.com/news-trend-watch/trump-cohen-lying-to-get-off-scott-free-20181203

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on December 03, 2018, 10:42:55 PM
Trump attorneys ask Stormy Daniels to pay nearly $800G in legal fees, penalties
Quote
Attorneys for President Trump asked a court Monday for nearly $800,000 in lawyers’ fees and penalties from adult-film actress Stormy Daniels for the failed defamation lawsuit against him.

Attorney Charles Harder defended more than 500 hours his firm spent that rang up a nearly $390,000 legal bill for the president and asked for an equal amount in sanctions as a deterrent against a “repeat filer or frivolous defamation cases.”

Harder said the fees and penalties were earned because of the extraordinary nature of the defamation case.

“This action is virtually unprecedented in American legal history,” Harder wrote in court papers. Daniels “not only brought a meritless claim for defamation against the sitting president of the United States, but she also has engaged, along with her attorney, in massive national publicity.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawyers-want-porn-star-to-pay-trump-340k-in-legal-fees
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 03, 2018, 11:07:55 PM
The reimbursement is not what’s on Trump’s mind.

Trump attorneys ask Stormy Daniels to pay nearly $800G in legal fees, penalties
Quote
Attorneys for President Trump asked a court Monday for nearly $800,000 in lawyers’ fees and penalties from adult-film actress Stormy Daniels for the failed defamation lawsuit against him.

Attorney Charles Harder defended more than 500 hours his firm spent that rang up a nearly $390,000 legal bill for the president and asked for an equal amount in sanctions as a deterrent against a “repeat filer or frivolous defamation cases.”

Harder said the fees and penalties were earned because of the extraordinary nature of the defamation case.

“This action is virtually unprecedented in American legal history,” Harder wrote in court papers. Daniels “not only brought a meritless claim for defamation against the sitting president of the United States, but she also has engaged, along with her attorney, in massive national publicity.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawyers-want-porn-star-to-pay-trump-340k-in-legal-fees
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 03, 2018, 11:11:26 PM
Like I previously mentioned before, it’s the cover up or lies that get people into hot water.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on December 03, 2018, 11:22:49 PM
Like I previously mentioned before, it’s the cover up or lies that get people into hot water.

Well.. Stormy is in some deep doo doo I would say.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 03, 2018, 11:28:02 PM
Like I previously mentioned before, it’s the cover up or lies that get people into hot water.

Well.. Stormy is in some deep doo doo I would say.

Another deflection response by you.
Let’s your review your previous posts and comments about the investigation. (I’ll give you a head start to edit or delete them)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on December 04, 2018, 05:46:00 AM
Like I previously mentioned before, it’s the cover up or lies that get people into hot water.

Well.. Stormy is in some deep doo doo I would say.

Another deflection response by you.
Let’s your review your previous posts and comments about the investigation. (I’ll give you a head start to edit or delete them)

like with bleachbit?  good thing LL doesn't have 30,000 posts  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 05, 2018, 11:01:51 AM
Like I previously mentioned before, it’s the cover up or lies that get people into hot water.

Well.. Stormy is in some deep doo doo I would say.

Another deflection response by you.
Let’s your review your previous posts and comments about the investigation. (I’ll give you a head start to edit or delete them)

like with bleachbit?  good thing LL doesn't have 30,000 posts  :)

Ivanka used her personal email for government purposes, but that’s ok? (Double standard)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 05, 2018, 11:13:40 AM
Mike Flynn met with the Special Council Office a whopping 19 times. That’s a lot of times yo!

“Mueller, in a court filing, says Flynn's "substantial assistance" to the special counsel's probe over the past year warrants a light criminal sentence, which could include no jail time.

"The defendant provided firsthand information about the content and context of interactions between the transition team and Russian government officials," the memo says.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/04/robert-mueller-sentencing-memo-for-former-trump-advisor-michael-flynn.html

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on December 05, 2018, 12:14:41 PM
More nothing will come of it...don’t you sense a pattern?

IS THIS IT?: A TRUMP-HATER’S GUIDE TO MUELLER SKEPTICISM

We see the familiar cycle of hype, and there’s no use fighting it, but, once heart rates have slowed, the same old question remains: so what? Some of the news, such as a Guardian story that Manafort met three times with Julian Assange, seems to be based on nothing at all. But even the solid news turns out to be generally non-earth-shattering. As the journalist Aaron Maté has been pointing out, we already knew the timeline of Cohen’s Moscow efforts, because BuzzFeed had already detailed them in May, painting a picture of a bumbling duo getting high on their own supply. (As for the latest revelations, did Sater and Cohen really think a president of Russia would move into a free $50 million penthouse provided by a U.S. presidential candidate? You have to wonder if they were hitting each other on the head with bricks.) Those who hope that Mueller reveals a shambolic operation with a lot of rascals engaged in sleazy and embarrassing behavior will be happy with the fruits of his labors. But those who hope for an unveiling of indictments linking Putin and Trump in a grand conspiracy have no more reason to celebrate than they did a week or a month ago.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 05, 2018, 12:25:08 PM
More nothing will come of it...don’t you sense a pattern?

IS THIS IT?: A TRUMP-HATER’S GUIDE TO MUELLER SKEPTICISM

We see the familiar cycle of hype, and there’s no use fighting it, but, once heart rates have slowed, the same old question remains: so what? Some of the news, such as a Guardian story that Manafort met three times with Julian Assange, seems to be based on nothing at all. But even the solid news turns out to be generally non-earth-shattering. As the journalist Aaron Maté has been pointing out, we already knew the timeline of Cohen’s Moscow efforts, because BuzzFeed had already detailed them in May, painting a picture of a bumbling duo getting high on their own supply. (As for the latest revelations, did Sater and Cohen really think a president of Russia would move into a free $50 million penthouse provided by a U.S. presidential candidate? You have to wonder if they were hitting each other on the head with bricks.) Those who hope that Mueller reveals a shambolic operation with a lot of rascals engaged in sleazy and embarrassing behavior will be happy with the fruits of his labors. But those who hope for an unveiling of indictments linking Putin and Trump in a grand conspiracy have no more reason to celebrate than they did a week or a month ago.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism)

Wait...you are quoting from an article mocking Trumpsters to support your contention that the Mueller probe is nothing?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 05, 2018, 12:34:03 PM
Boston globe article re: Trump’s dealings in Russia
During the campaign, Trump insisted repeatedly that he had no business dealings in Russia. However, according to Cohen’s statement, he continued to pursue the Trump Tower Moscow project weeks after Trump secured the Republican nomination for the president.

In his tweet, Trump stated he “lightly looked at doing a building somewhere in Russia” but put up “zero money, zero guarantees and didn’t do the project.”

Cohen said he discussed the proposal with Trump on multiple occasions and with members of the president’s family, according to court papers filed by special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian interference in the presidential election and possible coordination with the Trump campaign.

He said he lied to be consistent with Trump’s ‘‘political messaging.’’

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/11/30/tweet-trump-claims-lightly-looked-building-russia/oso8zNBVKuYSEiHXJ99TuM/amp.html

Note: It came from Trump’s twitter account considered or shall I say lightly looked about a Russia deal.

Does a person lightly look at building a real estate project in a foreign country? (Jeesh)
If you and I were going to devlop a building better yet in a foreign country we would do our due dlilegence, possibly secure funding, etc.. Also, get regulatory approval from the foreign government to build the project. (Wink wink)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 05, 2018, 01:05:45 PM
Financial Times article Re: Putin official confirms Cohen contacted Kremlin over Trump Tower Moscow

“Spokesman says Trump’s former lawyer sought help about potential Moscow property project

Donald Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen contacted the Kremlin twice to seek assistance for a potential Trump Tower property project in Moscow, Vladimir Putin’s spokesman has said, in the first confirmation from Russia of the approaches.

Mr Cohen, who worked as Mr Trump’s personal lawyer for more than a decade, pleaded guilty on Thursday of lying to Congress about the Moscow project which he pursued during the 2016 presidential election.

Dmitry Peskov, Mr Putin’s spokesman, told reporters that his office had received two emails from Mr Cohen in January 2016 requesting a meeting with Sergei Ivanov, then Mr Putin’s chief of staff, or Mr Peskov himself to discuss the project.

“Indeed, Mr Cohen made some requests, in which he said his company had actually planned to construct a building in Moscow and was unable to establish necessary business contacts,” Mr Peskov said, in remarks reported by Russian news agencies. “They asked that a meeting be organised with Sergei Ivanov, the head of the presidential administration at the time,” Peskov said.

“There were only these two emails. And we called them back in response,” Mr Peskov said. “We called them back and asked what the presidential administration has to do with that and whether they are aware who they contacted.”

Mr Peskov showed the emails, signed by Mr Cohen and requesting “assistance” with the real estate proposal, to Russian reporters travelling in the Kremlin pool to the G20 meeting in Buenos Aires.

Mr Cohen and a member of Mr Peskov’s office had a 20-minute phone call regarding the project, Mr Cohen said this week.

“We told them that the Presidential Administration doesn’t build houses, and if they want to invest in Russia that we will be happy to see them at the St Petersburg Economic Forum,” Mr Peskov said.”

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/fac2c9a8-f568-11e8-af46-2022a0b02a6c

My comment: This is confirmation that Cohen spoke to someone from the Russia government regarding the real estate proposal.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on December 05, 2018, 01:19:21 PM
Even trump hating Vanity Fair admits nothing ever comes of these “breathless revelations”...and nothing will.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 05, 2018, 01:29:12 PM
Even trump hating Vanity Fair admits nothing ever comes of these “breathless revelations”...and nothing will.

Where have you been under a rock? Have you seen the news?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 05, 2018, 01:30:57 PM
That article is a great read:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism)

Also, Cohen's testimony confirms that The Tang Menace did not have an Ultra Sekret Back Channel to them Rooskies. Cohen appears to be running his own side show, trying to get something going on this through the clumsiest way possible. That isn't election collusion, but dumbassery - neither of which are punishable crimes. Mueller needs to show conspiracy to get a conviction. Everything else is simple noise.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 05, 2018, 01:37:54 PM
That article is a great read:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism)

Also, Cohen's testimony confirms that The Tang Menace did not have an Ultra Sekret Back Channel to them Rooskies. Cohen appears to be running his own side show, trying to get something going on this through the clumsiest way possible. That isn't election collusion, but dumbassery - neither of which are punishable crimes. Mueller needs to show conspiracy to get a conviction. Everything else is simple noise.

My .02c


Very believable. I guess your drinking the koolaide also?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 05, 2018, 01:46:53 PM
It's just interesting to read some of the die-hard Never Trumpers and those on the Hard Left slowly but surely come out of their rage induced fever dreams only to say "Is that it?... Is this all we've got?"

If you liked the Vanity Fair article (hopefully you read it....) you'll love this one as well:

https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/ (https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/)

There's plenty to bag on Trump, but this Rooskie Collusion hoax has been forced to the front by those who can't accept that their candidate believed her coronation was inevitable and thus didn't bother connecting with enough of the voting public - the great unwashed, those deplorable bitter clingers - who wisely voted for a game show host instead.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 05, 2018, 01:49:43 PM
It's just interesting to read some of the die-hard Never Trumpers and those on the Hard Left slowly but surely come out of their rage induced fever dreams only to say "Is that it?... Is this all we've got?"

If you liked the Vanity Fair article (hopefully you read it....) you'll love this one as well:

https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/ (https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/)

There's plenty to bag on Trump, but this Rooskie Collusion hoax has been forced to the front by those who can't accept that their candidate believed her coronation was inevitable and thus didn't bother connecting with enough of the voting public - the great unwashed, those deplorable bitter clingers - who wisely voted for a game show host instead.

My .02c

At this point, I am done arguing the matter.  Just waiting for Mueller to finish. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on December 10, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Wait, what the heck happened to “Russia! Russia! Russia”? So now we pivot to campaign  finance? If I didn’t know any better I’d say they are “Reaching! Reaching! Reaching!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Loco_local on December 11, 2018, 06:29:46 AM
Wait, what the heck happened to “Russia! Russia! Russia”? So now we pivot to campaign  finance? If I didn’t know any better I’d say they are “Reaching! Reaching! Reaching!

No. Supposedly the Russian NRA spy woman who is going to plead guilty is giving up Jr. A lot of NRA campaign contributions to Republican candidates came from Russia.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on December 11, 2018, 08:43:29 AM
That's gonna be more nothingness.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 11, 2018, 08:50:59 AM
If they had nothing to hide why lie. stay tuned
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 11, 2018, 09:01:26 AM
If they had nothing to hide why lie. stay tuned

Trump went from knowing nothing...to saying that everyone is lying...to okay it could be true but so what.  No, we are into "yes it's true" but it's totally legal!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Loco_local on December 11, 2018, 10:00:10 AM
That's gonna be more nothingness.
This sounds like it's going to be a big fat delicious juicy burger

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt2NQKRW0AAyDe-?format=jpg&name=360x360)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 11, 2018, 10:16:12 AM
What I think we're seeing is that as Trump's odds of winning were growing during 2016, a wide assortment of grifters looked at his election as money play, no matter who would eventually pay the bill. That's not election collusion, but weaponized dumbassery. It's also not unusual for any election to see these lamprey's attach to their new host in such great numbers. That's why hairdressers are given Ambassadorships in far off lands and other quid pro quo graft within the elected class.

As for getting a conviction or an impeachment on breaking Campaign Finance laws, read up on John Edwards, Vice President nominee for John Kerry and his "conviction" for breaking Campaign Finance law. "Spoiler alert" - No one ever gets what they deserve.

As for the Russian / NRA connection - here's an article of note and was helpful in getting some perspective albeit from 2017 when this issue first came out.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-kremlin-and-gop-have-a-new-friendand-boy-does-she-love-guns
 (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-kremlin-and-gop-have-a-new-friendand-boy-does-she-love-guns)

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 11, 2018, 10:35:46 AM
What I think we're seeing is that as Trump's odds of winning were growing during 2016, a wide assortment of grifters looked at his election as money play, no matter who would eventually pay the bill. That's not election collusion, but weaponized dumbassery. It's also not unusual for any election to see these lamprey's attach to their new host in such great numbers. That's why hairdressers are given Ambassadorships in far off lands and other quid pro quo graft within the elected class.

As for getting a conviction or an impeachment on breaking Campaign Finance laws, read up on John Edwards, Vice President nominee for John Kerry and his "conviction" for breaking Campaign Finance law. "Spoiler alert" - No one ever gets what they deserve.

As for the Russian / NRA connection - here's an article of note and was helpful in getting some perspective albeit from 2017 when this issue first came out.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-kremlin-and-gop-have-a-new-friendand-boy-does-she-love-guns
 (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-kremlin-and-gop-have-a-new-friendand-boy-does-she-love-guns)

My .02c

1)  You assume that Trump didn't know about it and told his cohorts to go ahead and meet with the Russians.
2)  Quid Pro Quo does not include hacked information on your opponent.  That's basically what happened in Watergate.
3)  You are totally ignoring the whole cover-up by Trump...which is exactly what got Nixon in trouble.   Cohen's sentencing papers talks about investigation and inquiries into WH's efforts in 2017-2018 to coordinate with Cohen (and presumably others) to lie to the investigators.

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Once again, Cohen was not on his own, deciding to lie for his own purposes. He was in regular contact with unspecified people in the White House. Cohen provided the special counsel’s office with “relevant and useful information concerning his contacts with persons connected to the White House during the 2017-2018 time period,” which “has been credible and consistent with other evidence obtained in the SCO’s ongoing investigation.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/swamp-chronicles/the-michael-cohen-sentencing-memos-are-damning-for-trump
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 11, 2018, 11:37:51 AM
The NewYorker is the Breitbart of the Left. Practically DailyKos level stuff. I'll pass.

 1)  You assume that Trump didn't know about it and told his cohorts to go ahead and meet with the Russians.

Everyone is assuming everything - including you! If I recall Cohen has tapes. If the tapes even have a whiff of "OK, meet the Russians..." then there's going to be an impeachment. Cohen will get real jail time. If he had the goods, he would have walked. He does not, and is going to prison.

2)  Quid Pro Quo does not include hacked information on your opponent.  That's basically what happened in Watergate.

I'm yet to be convinced that the Wikileaks files were hacked, but believe dropped by an insider. Let's say they were hacked by Them Rooskies. All Wikileaks did was give some in the orbit around the Trump campaign a heads up - hardly illegal. Hardly impeachable.

We know the DNC paid a law firm 5x the going rate for "legal services" - not "Incriminating tidbits" to Fusion GPS. Fusion hired a foreign national to get supposed Russian intel on Trump resulting in a dossier used to get a FISA warrant to spy on a campaign. That's campaign finance law breaking, 3rd party hiring of a foreign national, and accepting Russian intel - to subvert a US court to justify spying. These are assumptions, but accepted facts.

On the Right, we have scumbags who were trying to gain $$$ through their new connections. On the Left we have scumbags who did everything they are accusing the Trump campaign of doing - working with them Rooskies for an election win. What a mess...

3)  You are totally ignoring the whole cover-up by Trump...which is exactly what got Nixon in trouble.   Cohen's sentencing papers talks about investigation and inquiries into WH's efforts in 2017-2018 to coordinate with Cohen (and presumably others) to lie to the investigators.

You've totally ignored that the lie to investigators appears to be about building a Trump Tower in Moscow, not election rigging. The Trump Tower question isn't an impeachable issue, unless you have a solid foundation of financial crime. Cohen's not the kind of witness you build that kind of case on. If he had the tapes, that's 100% a different set of circumstances.

We will on the same side if there is genuine evidence of election tampering and collusion to steal an election - the original purpose of the Special Counsel. So far we have a collection of foreign shiat posters who will never see the inside of a courtroom,  a host of money grubbers with pre-2016 election ties to Russia - as Mueller had BTW at the same time, and a couple of lurid stories being bought out to keep quiet - similar to the DNC's "Bimbo Eruption" team of 1992. A tasty nothing burger, but not much else.

We didn't elect a Pope, that much is clear. We aren't getting the election investigation we were promised either.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 11, 2018, 11:58:37 AM
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The NewYorker is the Breitbart of the Left. Practically DailyKos level stuff. I'll pass.

You understand that key portions of the quote is from the sentencing memo. 

And here are some more sources:

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In yet another detail from Mueller's Friday memorandum that is likely to give the White House new pause, prosecutors said that Cohen provided "relevant and useful information concerning his contacts with persons connected to the White House during the 2017-2018 time period.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/07/michael-cohen-offers-russia-probe-details-mueller-inquiry-trump/2230479002/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/08/what-we-learned-friday/?utm_term=.631ee4b63e31

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“This very clearly suggests that people within the White House knew about and facilitated the false statements that were made to Congress,” said Seth Waxman, a former federal prosecutor based in Washington, D.C. “I don’t know what other conclusion you could reasonably take from Mueller’s team including that language.”

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xydky/these-may-be-the-two-most-important-sentences-in-muellers-memo-about-cohen

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Everyone is assuming everything - including you! If I recall Cohen has tapes. If the tapes even have a whiff of "OK, meet the Russians..." then there's going to be an impeachment. Cohen will get real jail time. If he had the goods, he would have walked. He does not, and is going to prison.

No tape needed.  Everything we have seen so far has been carefully disclosed by Mueller.  There is a whole lot more there.  People were all "nothingburger" until the Cohen sentencing memo...now we have real smoke.

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I'm yet to be convinced that the Wikileaks files were hacked, but believe dropped by an insider. Let's say they were hacked by Them Rooskies. All Wikileaks did was give some in the orbit around the Trump campaign a heads up - hardly illegal. Hardly impeachable.

Very illegal and very impeachable.   Conspiracy to obtain and distribute classified information is very very illegal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-the-russians-hacked-the-dnc-and-passed-its-emails-to-wikileaks/2018/07/13/af19a828-86c3-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html?utm_term=.4993eda8cd9c

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We know the DNC paid a law firm 5x the going rate for "legal services" - not "Incriminating tidbits" to Fusion GPS. Fusion hired a foreign national to get supposed Russian intel on Trump resulting in a dossier used to get a FISA warrant to spy on a campaign. That's campaign finance law breaking, 3rd party hiring of a foreign national, and accepting Russian intel - to subvert a US court to justify spying. These are assumptions, but accepted facts.

Seriously...that is completely not the case.  The Steele Dossier was not the impetus for the FISA warrant...that has been debunked numerous times. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-told-fisa-court-steele-wasnt-source-of-report-used-to-justify-surveilling-trump-team-docs-show

No, it is not breaking finance law.  DNC is not a 3rd party...they hired an investigative firm to discover information.  That is completely different than hacking and stealing the information.  Again, what the Russians and Wikileaks did is the digital equivalent to Watergate...breaking into opposing campaign to steal information so that the candidate can win. 

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You've totally ignored that the lie to investigators appears to be about building a Trump Tower in Moscow, not election rigging. The Trump Tower question isn't an impeachable issue, unless you have a solid foundation of financial crime. Cohen's not the kind of witness you build that kind of case on. If he had the tapes, that's 100% a different set of circumstances.

We will on the same side if there is genuine evidence of election tampering and collusion to steal an election - the original purpose of the Special Counsel. So far we have a collection of foreign shiat posters who will never see the inside of a courtroom,  a host of money grubbers with pre-2016 election ties to Russia - as Mueller had BTW at the same time, and a couple of lurid stories being bought out to keep quiet - similar to the DNC's "Bimbo Eruption" team of 1992. A tasty nothing burger, but not much else
.

You are still absolutely missing the entire forest.  Nixon didn't get in trouble because of the actual break-in...he got in trouble because he blocked an investigation into the break-in.  Nixon won in 1972 with 520 electoral vote...the Watergate break-in had no bearing on that election whatsoever.

Even assuming he knew nothing about the Russians pre-election, Trump efforts since being elected would put him square into obstruction of justice and witness tampering. 

I don't know why you are so hung up on "tapes".  Mueller has laid numerous traps for Trump and he has walked into pretty much every one.   Cohen is not a "clean" witness but the FBI took down the mob with informants...also not the cleanest of witnesses. 

Mueller is building multiple cases...one is relate to the Trump tower, one is related to Cohen, one is related to Flynn, one is related to post-election obstruction..there are probably several more including those relating to Kushner and DTJ.  8 dimensional chess my friend.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 11, 2018, 12:11:19 PM
I am curious to see how deep into the GOP this issue goes...Russians certainly didn't stop at Trump.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on December 11, 2018, 12:26:38 PM
It's not the Russians (IMHO) it's plain and simple human greed for money and power. This influencing could have come from Lithuania as long as there were enough $$$ in bags being delivered. For all that everyone says about Manafort and Russian influence, Mueller has extensive ties to Russian lobbyists as well. The Clinton's have their own Russian problems that will come up in some of the speeches, etc through the Clinton Foundation. It's a mess on the right as it is on the left.... or should we just come to the agreement that Washington itself should be nuked from orbit,,, you know.. just to be sure..?

Just one reply in this round:

The FISA warrant was in the news June 22-25 (approximately). You've pulled a Fox headline saying "FBI told FISA Court Steele wasn't source of report used to justify surveiling Trump Team..." yet in that same week in July NBC says that the Dossier "was only a part of the evidence cited to get a warrant"

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/why-team-trump-wrong-about-carter-page-dossier-secret-warrant-n893666 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/why-team-trump-wrong-about-carter-page-dossier-secret-warrant-n893666)

It must be Schrödinger's Dossier: The information is used, but not used, at the same time.

Of course there's little information either of us can get to see a convincing turn of opinion. I've stated that if the goods exist, then you and I are 100% on the same team. If the goods aren't there, let's hope we can see those on the side of impeachment for Russian collusion drop this issue and be ready to support the President.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 11, 2018, 01:18:46 PM
Love the headlines post this shutdown clown conference today - “ Pelosi questions trumps manhood “   . Get ready for an Orange s___ storm !
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 11, 2018, 03:11:37 PM
Love the headlines post this shutdown clown conference today - “ Pelosi questions trumps manhood “   . Get ready for an Orange s___ storm !

That exchange was embarrassing...Trump reading off cue cards because he can't retain 2 facts in his head.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 11, 2018, 06:50:40 PM
Love the headlines post this shutdown clown conference today - “ Pelosi questions trumps manhood “   . Get ready for an Orange s___ storm !

That exchange was embarrassing...Trump reading off cue cards because he can't retain 2 facts in his head.

Anyone who has not seen the video — highly recommend you do it — absolutely hilarious.  The expressions (or lack of) on mike pence’s face are gold ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 11, 2018, 07:07:20 PM
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer they were solid in the meeting with Trump. Also, they performed well at the press conference afterwards at the White House.


Trust me: I will make a comment if they chocked it, but they didn’t.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 11, 2018, 07:14:51 PM
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer they were solid in the meeting with Trump and the press conference afterwards.

Seeing the video — very easy to understand why republicans hate her w a passion — damn , the lady is effective at what she does ... gotta respect that even if I don’t agree w some of her policies
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 12, 2018, 09:39:55 AM
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer they were solid in the meeting with Trump and the press conference afterwards.

Seeing the video — very easy to understand why republicans hate her w a passion — damn , the lady is effective at what she does ... gotta respect that even if I don’t agree w some of her policies

Chuck Schumer having a backbone is a new thing though.  Pelosi is effective at what she does.  She got the house in line to pass Obamacare...that was no easy thing.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 12, 2018, 09:46:17 AM
So Cohen got 3 years...which is not bad for wire and tax fraud and violation of campaign finance laws.

I find it appropriate that Cohen is Trump's fixer...kinda of like Liddy was Nixon's plumber.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 12, 2018, 10:53:18 AM
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer they were solid in the meeting with Trump and the press conference afterwards.

Seeing the video — very easy to understand why republicans hate her w a passion — damn , the lady is effective at what she does ... gotta respect that even if I don’t agree w some of her policies

Chuck Schumer having a backbone is a new thing though.  Pelosi is effective at what she does.  She got the house in line to pass Obamacare...that was no easy thing.

Yes , he had the best zinger in that meeting

As I have said several times before - trump is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party in nearly 20 yrs . Much needed shake up and change in attitudes And aggression
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 12, 2018, 11:28:33 AM
So Cohen got 3 years...which is not bad for wire and tax fraud and violation of campaign finance laws.

I find it appropriate that Cohen is Trump's fixer...kinda of like Liddy was Nixon's plumber.

From MAGA to MAGS

MAGA = my attorney got arrested
MAGS = my attorney got sentenced
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 12, 2018, 12:00:32 PM
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer they were solid in the meeting with Trump and the press conference afterwards.

Seeing the video — very easy to understand why republicans hate her w a passion — damn , the lady is effective at what she does ... gotta respect that even if I don’t agree w some of her policies

Chuck Schumer having a backbone is a new thing though.  Pelosi is effective at what she does.  She got the house in line to pass Obamacare...that was no easy thing.

Yes , he had the best zinger in that meeting

As I have said several times before - trump is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party in nearly 20 yrs . Much needed shake up and change in attitudes And aggression

It's interesting to see what happens.  Trump is all about Trump..in a lot of ways, Pelosi and Schumer have more in common with Trump than the GOP leadership.   

Schumer knows Trump from way back cuz New York...it will be an interesting study in how those two handle the big baby.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 12, 2018, 12:43:50 PM
Another step on the 8-D chessboard

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The deeper involvement of Trump’s campaign staff was revealed on Wednesday by federal prosecutors in New York, who disclosed they had reached a non-prosecution agreement with American Media Inc., the National Enquirer’s publisher.

Under the deal, AMI admitted it worked with the campaign to kill stories “about the presidential candidate’s relationships with women” and agreed to cooperate. Pecker agreed to identify any damaging information about Trump that came his way and suppress it by buying the stories and not publishing them.

Pecker’s deal with prosecutors was announced shortly after Cohen, Trump’s longtime lawyer and fixer, was sentenced to three years in prison. That was in part for his role in a $150,000 payment by AMI to silence former Playboy model Karen McDougal about her alleged extramarital affair with Trump. According to documents filed in the AMI matter, Cohen promised that AMI would be reimbursed for buying her story.

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“You now have AMI admitting that the payments were made for the purpose of influencing the election,” said Robert Mintz, a former federal prosecutor who is now in private practice in New Jersey and isn’t involved in the case. “It’s a critical admission because, if true, it transforms the payment into a criminal violation as opposed to simply a private transaction.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-12/american-media-in-non-prosecution-agreement-with-prosecutors
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 12, 2018, 04:12:33 PM
So Cohen got 3 years...which is not bad for wire and tax fraud and violation of campaign finance laws.

I find it appropriate that Cohen is Trump's fixer...kinda of like Liddy was Nixon's plumber.

Plus the secret recording with Cohen’s voice and Trump.

payment paid by a shell company?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 12, 2018, 05:22:53 PM
LOL...Pelosi clowns Trump again...she can count votes.

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House Republicans are struggling to come up with a strategy to fulfill President Trump’s demand that the lower chamber pass a funding bill that includes $5 billion for his promised border wall.

 By Wednesday evening, GOP leaders still had not settled on what vehicle they would use to fund the wall or if they would even take a vote this week to do so. Lawmakers in the House have until Dec. 21 to avert a partial government shutdown and are only scheduled to work four of those days.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/421113-gop-struggles-to-win-votes-for-trumps-5b-wall-demand
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 12, 2018, 09:46:05 PM
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer they were solid in the meeting with Trump and the press conference afterwards.

Seeing the video — very easy to understand why republicans hate her w a passion — damn , the lady is effective at what she does ... gotta respect that even if I don’t agree w some of her policies

“Internet lights up over Pelosi's sunglasses

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) gets the rock star treatment as the internet lights up over her shades”

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/12/13/nancy-pelosi-sunglasses-trump-meeting-moos-ebof-pkg-vpx.cnn

My favorite line in the video:
It must be sweet to be compared to the cool dude in CSI Miami.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 13, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
Someone is getting nervous...

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Trump vented frustration in a combative interview with Fox News aired later Thursday when asked why he hired somebody like Cohen

“Well, it happens. Look it happens. I hire usually good people,” he responded, adding that Cohen mostly did “very low-level work” that was more public relations than law.

“In retrospect, I made a mistake,” the president added.

Those comments appeared to undercut Trump's claim that Cohen was acting as his attorney in making the pay-offs.

Prosecutors said the payments to Daniels and McDougal, which Cohen arranged, broke the law because they were made through corporate entities and were not reported on financial-disclosure forms.

But Trump and his legal team argue the payments, which the president initially denied knowledge of, were made to spare him personal embarrassment and thus do not violate campaign finance laws.

That argument was complicated on Wednesday when prosecutors revealed they have secured the cooperation of American Media, Inc. (AMI), the parent company of the National Enquirer that was involved in the payment to McDougal.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/421166-trump-says-he-never-directed-michael-cohen-to-break-the-law
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 13, 2018, 01:31:39 PM
There’s so much info it’s hard to keep up.
Cohen, spy plea deal, etc...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on December 13, 2018, 02:31:59 PM
There’s so much info it’s hard to keep up.
Cohen, spy plea deal, etc...

this is all you need to know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjUvfZj-Fm0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjUvfZj-Fm0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjUvfZj-Fm0)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 13, 2018, 02:40:01 PM
Everything I said turned out to be true regarding the investigation.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 13, 2018, 03:02:20 PM
There’s so much info it’s hard to keep up.
Cohen, spy plea deal, etc...

this is all you need to know


Ironically...getting elected president could be the worst thing for Trump and his family...DTJ and Kushner could be in jail with papa Trump.  He has lost all his business connections and credibility...his inner circles already in shambles.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 13, 2018, 03:07:21 PM
There’s so much info it’s hard to keep up.
Cohen, spy plea deal, etc...

this is all you need to know


Ironically...getting elected president could be the worst thing for Trump and his family...DTJ and Kushner could be in jail with papa Trump.  He has lost all his business connections and credibility...his inner circles already in shambles.

“NBC article: Trump, Kushner, LeFrak could potentially benefit from federal 'opportunity zones'

The “opportunity zone” program was meant to help “economically distressed” areas — but some zones include affluent neighborhoods.

The Trump Organization, the family real estate interests of presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner and Trump friend Richard LeFrak, a New York developer, could all benefit from a new federal program that has designated "opportunity zones" in "economically distressed" areas around the country and offers tax benefits for developers.

Kushner's family already owned real estate on the Jersey Shore, but spent an extra $13.15 million in Long Branch after the area was deemed an opportunity zone by the Treasury Department in April according to Bloomberg News. The Trump Organization was already planning a hotel redevelopment in Greenville, Mississippi, with a partner, but that project is in an area that was declared an opportunity zone in April and could now be eligible for the tax break.

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna946821

My comment: It never stops!


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 13, 2018, 03:23:24 PM
There’s so much info it’s hard to keep up.
Cohen, spy plea deal, etc...

Mueller still has Weisberg...he is like the accountant in the Untouchable.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 13, 2018, 04:35:56 PM
There’s so much info it’s hard to keep up.
Cohen, spy plea deal, etc...

Mueller still has Weisberg...he is like the accountant in the Untouchable.

How did Mariia get to ask Trump the first question at the FreedomFest event in Las Vegas? (July 2015)
Is it coincidence or was it planned? [I don’t know]

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 13, 2018, 06:40:16 PM
Everything I said turned out to be true regarding the investigation.

Don’t expect anyone here to admit they were wrong . Just don’t take them seriously ever again ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 14, 2018, 08:53:34 AM
The hits keep on coming:

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Federal prosecutors are investigating whether foreign donors illegally channeled money into President Trump's inaugural fund and a pro-Trump super PAC, The New York Times reported Thursday.

People familiar with the inquiry told the paper that prosecutors are probing whether the alleged donations were made in an attempt to buy influence over U.S. policy.

The investigation is focused on whether people from Middle Eastern countries, including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, disguised donations they made to both funds by using straw donors, the Times reported.

Federal law prohibits foreign contributions to federal campaigns, political action committees and inaugural funds.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/421352-prosecutors-investigating-trump-inaugural-fund-pro-trump-super-pac

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Donald Trump was the third person in the room in August 2015 when his lawyer Michael Cohen and National Enquirer publisher David Pecker discussed ways Pecker could help counter negative stories about Trump's relationships with women, NBC News has confirmed.

As part of a nonprosecution agreement disclosed Wednesday by federal prosecutors, American Media Inc., the Enquirer's parent company, admitted that "Pecker offered to help deal with negative stories about that presidential candidate's relationships with women by, among other things, assisting the campaign in identifying such stories so they could be purchased and their publication avoided."

The "statement of admitted facts" says that AMI admitted making a $150,000 payment "in concert with the campaign," and says that Pecker, Cohen and "at least one other member of the campaign" were in the meeting. According to a person familiar with the matter, the "other member" was Trump.

Trump was first identified as attending the meeting by The Wall Street Journal.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-was-room-during-hush-money-discussions-nbc-news-confirms-n947536
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on December 14, 2018, 10:26:57 AM
Everything I said turned out to be true regarding the investigation.

Don’t expect anyone here to admit they were wrong . Just don’t take them seriously ever again ...

did you ever take us seriously to begin with?  :)

i remember 3 years ago when nobody took trump seriously, and here we are today
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 14, 2018, 10:44:52 AM
Everything I said turned out to be true regarding the investigation.

Don’t expect anyone here to admit they were wrong . Just don’t take them seriously ever again ...

did you ever take us seriously to begin with?  :)

i remember 3 years ago when nobody took trump seriously, and here we are today

I can only speak for myself and I wasn’t really active on the political forums pre election

But yes , after pasting a gazillion times about nothingburgers and “everything is cool , just move along “ — now we have pin drop silence from the trump crowd

Maybe to the benefit of everyone else here who are tired of being bombarded by the MAGA posts every time they click on “recent posts “ link
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on December 14, 2018, 11:05:07 AM
Because there is nothing to say.  This will go the way of Bush tape, Omerosa who?, Stormey who?, Russia, Russia, Russia, Trump Tower meeting BS, and every other gotcha moment sold as some kill shot that never leads to squat. 

https://youtu.be/MvyBrX1eK4I

https://youtu.be/MvyBrX1eK4I (https://youtu.be/MvyBrX1eK4I)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 14, 2018, 11:42:09 AM
If there is nothing to see or say then why all the insecurity ?

Why the deluge of posts when you guys find something even remotely positive for trumps case ?  Or something that’s just another version of whataboutism?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on December 14, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
If there is nothing to see or say then why all the insecurity ?

Why the deluge of posts when you guys find something even remotely positive for trumps case ?  Or something that’s just another version of whataboutism?

Translation: I'm bored at work and need somebody to troll.  Please engage me.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 14, 2018, 12:39:54 PM
If there is nothing to see or say then why all the insecurity ?

Why the deluge of posts when you guys find something even remotely positive for trumps case ?  Or something that’s just another version of whataboutism?

Translation: I'm bored at work and need somebody to troll.  Please engage me.

Hey man - at least I am not stuck in your “bond bubble “  :)  how did that work out for you
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on December 14, 2018, 12:46:00 PM
If there is nothing to see or say then why all the insecurity ?

Why the deluge of posts when you guys find something even remotely positive for trumps case ?  Or something that’s just another version of whataboutism?

Translation: I'm bored at work and need somebody to troll.  Please engage me.

Hey man - at least I am not stuck in your “bond bubble “  :)  how did that work out for you

Translation: I'm bored at work and need somebody to troll.  Please engage me.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 14, 2018, 01:05:35 PM
If there is nothing to see or say then why all the insecurity ?

Why the deluge of posts when you guys find something even remotely positive for trumps case ?  Or something that’s just another version of whataboutism?

Translation: I'm bored at work and need somebody to troll.  Please engage me.

Hey man - at least I am not stuck in your “bond bubble “  :)  how did that work out for you

Translation: I'm bored at work and need somebody to troll.  Please engage me.

Since you are engaging me so much , you must have had a change of heart after having your butt kicked in the recent election  :)   Engage away !
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 14, 2018, 01:14:26 PM
Because there is nothing to say.  This will go the way of Bush tape, Omerosa who?, Stormey who?, Russia, Russia, Russia, Trump Tower meeting BS, and every other gotcha moment sold as some kill shot that never leads to squat. 

That’s what you think. I thought Trump and his associates had nothing to do with Russia. [Remember Trump said that at the presidential debate, press conferences, campaign rallies, and continued to say that until recently] It turns out they just simply discussed about a big project in Russia. (Trump admitted in a tweet) Who knows what else?

In regards to Stormy, if it wasn’t for that issue. I believe the Feds would have not raided Cohen’s office. In which they hit the jackpot.

Keep in mind that that the US senate recently made number of referrals to the SCO. (waiting for that to drop)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 14, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
We have basically moved the goal posts from “Trump didn’t do anything illegal” to “Trump didn’t murder anyone”


“Nobody got killed, nobody got robbed… This was not a big crime,” Giuliani told The Daily Beast, re alleged violations of campaign finance law.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on December 14, 2018, 01:41:25 PM
One minute fortune11 brags about the election, the next he is purposely posting fake news out of desperation.  This is taking Trump Derangement Syndrome to whole new levels.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 14, 2018, 02:02:51 PM
I love that all the non-legal people think that this is nothing when all the legal people knows what is going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjbIt6Cavq0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjbIt6Cavq0)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on December 14, 2018, 02:11:29 PM
Much like the gun control thread...lots of blah blah blah... nothing will happen
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 14, 2018, 02:15:44 PM
One minute fortune11 brags about the election, the next he is purposely posting fake news out of desperation.  This is taking Trump Derangement Syndrome to whole new levels.

What now — I went from being a “troll” to now being “desperate “

And what’s up with the whining about me  to others and referring to me in he third person - is this also a “manhood “ thing —  kinda like trump

Pay a bit more attention to my forecasts and you will be more successful in your personal finances than making wrong way trades believing in your own b/s
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 14, 2018, 02:22:23 PM
Much like the gun control thread...lots of blah blah blah... nothing will happen

How do you know before the investigation is over?
This is coming from the guy that said they will find nothing or nothing will come out. (I can tell you this, a shit load is coming out. Lol)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on December 17, 2018, 01:03:25 PM
Pay a bit more attention to my forecasts and you will be more successful in your personal finances than making wrong way trades believing in your own b/s

Yes, listening to investment advice from an anonymous stranger is the key to wealth.  LOL!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 17, 2018, 01:38:45 PM
Pay a bit more attention to my forecasts and you will be more successful in your personal finances than making wrong way trades believing in your own b/s

Yes, listening to investment advice from an anonymous stranger is the key to wealth.  LOL!

LOL all you want - but listening to diverse opinions is one way to control for your biases . Why are you on this forum then — To listen to yourself talk ?

TAke off the MAGA  colored glasses  - which makes you proclaim ridiculous stuff like we are trapped in a bond bubble about to burst — now compare the losses in treasuries to that in stocks — did a light get turned on now ?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on December 17, 2018, 01:39:53 PM
Pay a bit more attention to my forecasts and you will be more successful in your personal finances than making wrong way trades believing in your own b/s

Yes, listening to investment advice from an anonymous stranger is the key to wealth.  LOL!

all the anonymous internet strangers told me to invest in bitcoin last year!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Loco_local on December 17, 2018, 02:08:13 PM
Pay a bit more attention to my forecasts and you will be more successful in your personal finances than making wrong way trades believing in your own b/s

Yes, listening to investment advice from an anonymous stranger is the key to wealth.  LOL!

all the anonymous internet strangers told me to invest in bitcoin last year!

About a decade ago I bought one of those proshares ultra short funds on the advice from members on a doom and gloom forum. Thankfully, I didn't have much to gamble with, but needless to say I learned my lesson.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on December 17, 2018, 02:33:29 PM
Pay a bit more attention to my forecasts and you will be more successful in your personal finances than making wrong way trades believing in your own b/s

Yes, listening to investment advice from an anonymous stranger is the key to wealth.  LOL!

LOL all you want - but listening to diverse opinions is one way to control for your biases . Why are you on this forum then — To listen to yourself talk ?

TAke off the MAGA  colored glasses  - which makes you proclaim ridiculous stuff like we are trapped in a bond bubble about to burst — now compare the losses in treasuries to that in stocks — did a light get turned on now ?

I wouldn't take investment advice from somebody so willing to lie about my opinions simply to get the upper hand in a forum discussion.  Your utter lack of character makes your financial advice unworthy of consideration.  Hopefully, nobody on TI is duped by it, but if others want to listen to you, they only have themselves to blame when they find their money parted from them.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 17, 2018, 02:36:48 PM
Anonymous strangers lecturing anonymous strangers - isn’t that what this forum is

Only way to derive credibility is looking at the logic and history of forecasting and comparing it to what actually happened ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 17, 2018, 02:42:19 PM
Liar loan — looks like you are getting triggered again

So what exactly is your opinion ? Did you or did you not claim there was a bond bubble about to burst ? 

You thought w enough time that passes , people would just forget about it and you can continue spouting other junk theories just like on the political threads .

Unfortunately for you , there are people willing to check your record and hold you accountable . And when that happens , hell hath no fury like a liar loan exposed :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on December 17, 2018, 03:34:14 PM
I didn't say a bond bubble was about to burst.  That's a lie on your part. 

What I said is bonds are in a bubble, period.  No prediction was made about the timeline of eventual declines in the bond market.  The reason no prediction was made was because bonds are not a "free" market when it comes to price discovery.  The Fed and other central bankers are calling the shots and I can't predict the behavior of a handful of powerful individuals.  Many forecasters have tried over the past 10 years and been proven wrong by Bernanke/Yellen/Powell.

For somebody simply interested in long term investing, bonds are not the place to be.  The traditional 60/40 portfolio will not have good performance results over the coming decades.  Short term movement in and out of bonds is still fine, depending on stock market volatility.

My past record is correctly predicting the housing market (buy call in June 2009), stocks (buy call in July 2009), gold (sell call in Spring 2011; An argument with Awgee on my gold call used to be here on TI but I think Panda deleted the thread; Panda was a gold bull and needed to bury the body. :) ), and bitcoin (called a crash in Nov 2017; See the bitcoin thread).  I really don't care if others think I have credibility in this area, but the fact is my record is pretty solid. 

That being said, nobody should listen to an anonymous stranger on the Internet for investing advice.  The fact that you believe others should listen to you, shows you are not credible when it comes to providing advice.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 17, 2018, 04:20:12 PM
Let’s take you at your word about the bubble, that you didn’t call for it to burst right away although I distinctly remember otherwise  .

Anyways , bubble would at least need a 10 percent collapse for it to be a bubble , correct ? Heck your bitcoin bubble has had an 85 percent correction

I actually walked you through a scenario where this was a tiny probability based on the mathematics of how duration and inflation work — and that it was a near impossibility for intermediate treasuries to lose 10 percent —  And that is exactly how it played out.

Lot of people on this forum were taking the (at that time) recent rate sell off and calling for rates to continue going higher .  I was among the few calling for zero panic on the rates front and actually walked through my rationale as to why - I didn’t post any random clickbait headlines from popular media .

Now in my line of work , if some one has a better mousetrap or a bette logic than me , the prudent course of action is to listen and improve your own thinking . But the political lens you employ to dismiss arguments and jump straight to character accusations is a mark of losing argument .
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 17, 2018, 04:53:07 PM
Wow Rudy just can’t stop talking. The more he talks the more new information comes out.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 18, 2018, 10:48:15 AM
I previously stated that Mueller is playing 8-D chess...looks like we are closer to 17-D chess

https://www.wired.com/story/mueller-investigation-trump-russia-complete-guide/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 18, 2018, 10:54:56 AM
“CNBC article:Michael Flynn sentencing delayed as judge tells ex-Trump official: 'You sold your country out'

The sentencing of former national security advisor Michael Flynn is postponed less than two hours after it began.

Flynn accepts an offer to delay the sentencing when Judge

Emmet Sullivan warned he might send Flynn to jail for lying to FBI agents about his conversations with a Russian diplomat shortly before President Donald Trump took office.
The judge tells Flynn that "arguably you sold your country out."

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/12/18/judge-tells-michael-flynn-you-sold-your-country-out-at-hearing.html

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on December 18, 2018, 11:59:46 AM
“CNBC article:Michael Flynn sentencing delayed as judge tells ex-Trump official: 'You sold your country out'

The sentencing of former national security advisor Michael Flynn is postponed less than two hours after it began.

Flynn accepts an offer to delay the sentencing when Judge

Emmet Sullivan warned he might send Flynn to jail for lying to FBI agents about his conversations with a Russian diplomat shortly before President Donald Trump took office.
The judge tells Flynn that "arguably you sold your country out."

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/12/18/judge-tells-michael-flynn-you-sold-your-country-out-at-hearing.html

Quote
Defense lawyers last week in their court filing noted that Flynn did not have an attorney with during that Jan. 24, 2017, interview, and agents didn't warn him that he could be prosecuted if he lied to them.

"I cannot recall any incident in which the court accepted a guilty plea in which he was not guilty, and I don't intend to start today," Sullivan said.

"Are you continuing to accept responsibility for your false statements?" Sullivan asked.

"I am, your honor," Flynn answered.

the fix was in and the judge's eyes are wide open.  flynn will be cleared in a few months and this whole thing is going to blow back into mueller's face bigly!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 18, 2018, 12:14:19 PM
“CNBC article:Michael Flynn sentencing delayed as judge tells ex-Trump official: 'You sold your country out'

The sentencing of former national security advisor Michael Flynn is postponed less than two hours after it began.

Flynn accepts an offer to delay the sentencing when Judge

Emmet Sullivan warned he might send Flynn to jail for lying to FBI agents about his conversations with a Russian diplomat shortly before President Donald Trump took office.
The judge tells Flynn that "arguably you sold your country out."

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/12/18/judge-tells-michael-flynn-you-sold-your-country-out-at-hearing.html

Quote
Defense lawyers last week in their court filing noted that Flynn did not have an attorney with during that Jan. 24, 2017, interview, and agents didn't warn him that he could be prosecuted if he lied to them.

"I cannot recall any incident in which the court accepted a guilty plea in which he was not guilty, and I don't intend to start today," Sullivan said.

"Are you continuing to accept responsibility for your false statements?" Sullivan asked.

"I am, your honor," Flynn answered.

the fix was in and the judge's eyes are wide open.  flynn will be cleared in a few months and this whole thing is going to blow back into mueller's face bigly!

Please stop playing internet attorney...it does not suit you.

You are not required to have an attorney with you during questioning...you can stop answering questions without your attorney present.

FBI agents/cops do not need to warn you of anything.  They are even allowed to lie to you.

LOL...

Quote
The sentencing for President Donald Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn was postponed until 2019 after a dramatic federal court hearing Tuesday.

Flynn, who pleaded guilty last year, said "I was aware" that lying to the FBI was a crime, but prosecutors from special counsel Robert Mueller's office had called for him to get little to no jail time because he has cooperated extensively. They also said Flynn may continue to cooperate in a future trial.
Judge Emmet Sullivan of the US District Court for the District of Columbia said he was "not hiding my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense."

"I want to be frank with you, this crime is very serious," Sullivan said. "Not only did you lie to the FBI, you lied to senior officials in the incoming administration."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/michael-flynn-sentencing-mueller-russia-probe/index.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 18, 2018, 03:53:12 PM
CNN article:Trump Foundation agrees to dissolve under court supervision

“President Donald Trump's personal charitable foundation has agreed to dissolve under judicial supervision amid an ongoing lawsuit concerning its finances, according to a document filed Tuesday in Manhattan Supreme Court by the New York state Attorney General's office.

The agreement filed Tuesday won't end the state's lawsuit against Trump's charity, which also seeks two other outcomes: $2.8 million in restitution, plus penalties, and a ban on Trump and his children serving on the board of any other New York nonprofit.

The office had objected to the charity's prior attempts to disband before the New York lawsuit was filed, saying it couldn't shut down while under investigation. Tuesday's agreement largely reflects a victory for the attorney general's office, including a requirement that the parties must jointly submit to the court a list of nonprofits that will receive the charity's remaining funds.”

Source: https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/trump-foundation-dissolve/index.html

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on December 18, 2018, 05:55:36 PM
CNN article:Trump Foundation agrees to dissolve under court supervision

“President Donald Trump's personal charitable foundation has agreed to dissolve under judicial supervision amid an ongoing lawsuit concerning its finances, according to a document filed Tuesday in Manhattan Supreme Court by the New York state Attorney General's office.

The agreement filed Tuesday won't end the state's lawsuit against Trump's charity, which also seeks two other outcomes: $2.8 million in restitution, plus penalties, and a ban on Trump and his children serving on the board of any other New York nonprofit.

The office had objected to the charity's prior attempts to disband before the New York lawsuit was filed, saying it couldn't shut down while under investigation. Tuesday's agreement largely reflects a victory for the attorney general's office, including a requirement that the parties must jointly submit to the court a list of nonprofits that will receive the charity's remaining funds.”

Source: https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/trump-foundation-dissolve/index.html

Huh did I read this right ?

 Wasn’t the Clinton foundation supposed to be the one getting sued and shutting down

Another instance of #winning I guess :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 19, 2018, 08:01:40 AM
More nothing will come of it...don’t you sense a pattern?

IS THIS IT?: A TRUMP-HATER’S GUIDE TO MUELLER SKEPTICISM

We see the familiar cycle of hype, and there’s no use fighting it, but, once heart rates have slowed, the same old question remains: so what? Some of the news, such as a Guardian story that Manafort met three times with Julian Assange, seems to be based on nothing at all. But even the solid news turns out to be generally non-earth-shattering. As the journalist Aaron Maté has been pointing out, we already knew the timeline of Cohen’s Moscow efforts, because BuzzFeed had already detailed them in May, painting a picture of a bumbling duo getting high on their own supply. (As for the latest revelations, did Sater and Cohen really think a president of Russia would move into a free $50 million penthouse provided by a U.S. presidential candidate? You have to wonder if they were hitting each other on the head with bricks.) Those who hope that Mueller reveals a shambolic operation with a lot of rascals engaged in sleazy and embarrassing behavior will be happy with the fruits of his labors. But those who hope for an unveiling of indictments linking Putin and Trump in a grand conspiracy have no more reason to celebrate than they did a week or a month ago.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism)

Wait...you are quoting from an article mocking Trumpsters to support your contention that the Mueller probe is nothing?


“CNN article: Trump signed letter of intent for Trump Tower Moscow project despite Giuliani insisting he didn'

A newly obtained document shows President Donald Trump signed a letter of intent to move forward with negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Russia, despite his attorney Rudy Giuliani claiming on Sunday the document was never signed.

CNN's Chris Cuomo obtained a copy of the signed letter of intent that set the stage for negotiations for Trump condominiums, a hotel and commercial property in the heart of Moscow. The letter is dated October 28, 2015, and bears the President's signature.

When asked on Sunday about the letter, Giuliani incorrectly told CNN's Dana Bash that it had not been signed.

"It was a real estate project. There was a letter of intent to go forward, but no one signed it," Giuliani told Bash.”

Source: https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/trump-signed-letter-of-intent-rudy-giuliani-moscow/index.html

Click the link to see copy of the letter of intent.

If it’s true this is unbelievable!!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 19, 2018, 09:01:34 AM
More nothing will come of it...don’t you sense a pattern?

IS THIS IT?: A TRUMP-HATER’S GUIDE TO MUELLER SKEPTICISM

We see the familiar cycle of hype, and there’s no use fighting it, but, once heart rates have slowed, the same old question remains: so what? Some of the news, such as a Guardian story that Manafort met three times with Julian Assange, seems to be based on nothing at all. But even the solid news turns out to be generally non-earth-shattering. As the journalist Aaron Maté has been pointing out, we already knew the timeline of Cohen’s Moscow efforts, because BuzzFeed had already detailed them in May, painting a picture of a bumbling duo getting high on their own supply. (As for the latest revelations, did Sater and Cohen really think a president of Russia would move into a free $50 million penthouse provided by a U.S. presidential candidate? You have to wonder if they were hitting each other on the head with bricks.) Those who hope that Mueller reveals a shambolic operation with a lot of rascals engaged in sleazy and embarrassing behavior will be happy with the fruits of his labors. But those who hope for an unveiling of indictments linking Putin and Trump in a grand conspiracy have no more reason to celebrate than they did a week or a month ago.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism)

Wait...you are quoting from an article mocking Trumpsters to support your contention that the Mueller probe is nothing?


“CNN article: Trump signed letter of intent for Trump Tower Moscow project despite Giuliani insisting he didn'

A newly obtained document shows President Donald Trump signed a letter of intent to move forward with negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Russia, despite his attorney Rudy Giuliani claiming on Sunday the document was never signed.

CNN's Chris Cuomo obtained a copy of the signed letter of intent that set the stage for negotiations for Trump condominiums, a hotel and commercial property in the heart of Moscow. The letter is dated October 28, 2015, and bears the President's signature.

When asked on Sunday about the letter, Giuliani incorrectly told CNN's Dana Bash that it had not been signed.

"It was a real estate project. There was a letter of intent to go forward, but no one signed it," Giuliani told Bash.”

Source: https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/trump-signed-letter-of-intent-rudy-giuliani-moscow/index.html

Click the link to see copy of the letter of intent.

If it’s true this is unbelievable!!

Mueller should get Guilani under oath.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 19, 2018, 09:39:25 AM
More nothing will come of it...don’t you sense a pattern?

IS THIS IT?: A TRUMP-HATER’S GUIDE TO MUELLER SKEPTICISM

We see the familiar cycle of hype, and there’s no use fighting it, but, once heart rates have slowed, the same old question remains: so what? Some of the news, such as a Guardian story that Manafort met three times with Julian Assange, seems to be based on nothing at all. But even the solid news turns out to be generally non-earth-shattering. As the journalist Aaron Maté has been pointing out, we already knew the timeline of Cohen’s Moscow efforts, because BuzzFeed had already detailed them in May, painting a picture of a bumbling duo getting high on their own supply. (As for the latest revelations, did Sater and Cohen really think a president of Russia would move into a free $50 million penthouse provided by a U.S. presidential candidate? You have to wonder if they were hitting each other on the head with bricks.) Those who hope that Mueller reveals a shambolic operation with a lot of rascals engaged in sleazy and embarrassing behavior will be happy with the fruits of his labors. But those who hope for an unveiling of indictments linking Putin and Trump in a grand conspiracy have no more reason to celebrate than they did a week or a month ago.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism)

Wait...you are quoting from an article mocking Trumpsters to support your contention that the Mueller probe is nothing?


“CNN article: Trump signed letter of intent for Trump Tower Moscow project despite Giuliani insisting he didn'

A newly obtained document shows President Donald Trump signed a letter of intent to move forward with negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Russia, despite his attorney Rudy Giuliani claiming on Sunday the document was never signed.

CNN's Chris Cuomo obtained a copy of the signed letter of intent that set the stage for negotiations for Trump condominiums, a hotel and commercial property in the heart of Moscow. The letter is dated October 28, 2015, and bears the President's signature.

When asked on Sunday about the letter, Giuliani incorrectly told CNN's Dana Bash that it had not been signed.

"It was a real estate project. There was a letter of intent to go forward, but no one signed it," Giuliani told Bash.”

Source: https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/trump-signed-letter-of-intent-rudy-giuliani-moscow/index.html

Click the link to see copy of the letter of intent.

If it’s true this is unbelievable!!

Mueller should get Guilani under oath.

Their PR blitz is obviously not working...

The truth is coming out.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on December 19, 2018, 11:05:33 AM
It's like Giulani and Trump do not understand the concept of video recording.

Quote
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's lawyer on Wednesday said Trump had signed an October 2015 letter of intent to develop a real estate project in Russia during his presidential campaign, after earlier denying it in a weekend television interview.

Rudy Giuliani had told CNN on Sunday that "no one signed" the letter of intent to go forward with the Moscow project, although he acknowledged talks about the development had extended through November 2016 when Trump won the U.S. presidential election.

Giuliani reversed course in comments to Reuters on Wednesday, however, after CNN reported late on Tuesday that it had obtained a copy of the Oct. 28, 2015 letter signed by Trump, who had announced his White House bid in June that year.

"If I said it, I made a mistake," Giuliani said of his previous denial about Trump having signed the letter.

"There's nothing wrong with his signing it. When he did it, he wasn't president yet."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-signed-off-moscow-project-during-campaign-giuliani-183030251.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on December 21, 2018, 03:04:14 PM
Hey, I’m not complaining. I guess Trump thinks Rudy is doing a good job? Lol


It's like Giulani and Trump do not understand the concept of video recording.

Quote
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's lawyer on Wednesday said Trump had signed an October 2015 letter of intent to develop a real estate project in Russia during his presidential campaign, after earlier denying it in a weekend television interview.

Rudy Giuliani had told CNN on Sunday that "no one signed" the letter of intent to go forward with the Moscow project, although he acknowledged talks about the development had extended through November 2016 when Trump won the U.S. presidential election.

Giuliani reversed course in comments to Reuters on Wednesday, however, after CNN reported late on Tuesday that it had obtained a copy of the Oct. 28, 2015 letter signed by Trump, who had announced his White House bid in June that year.

"If I said it, I made a mistake," Giuliani said of his previous denial about Trump having signed the letter.

"There's nothing wrong with his signing it. When he did it, he wasn't president yet."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-signed-off-moscow-project-during-campaign-giuliani-183030251.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on January 25, 2019, 02:35:17 PM
C’mon, 23 armed to the teethe, flak vest wearing swat officers at 6 in the morning with CNN in tow for one old guy in a silk bath robe to charge him with alleged lies? Give me a break!   As I have said, it’s all just a big show.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on January 25, 2019, 03:51:43 PM
C’mon, 23 armed to the teethe, flak vest wearing swat officers at 6 in the morning with CNN in tow for one old guy in a silk bath robe to charge him with alleged lies? Give me a break!   As I have said, it’s all just a big show.

Yeah...that's what we should be focusing on. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on January 25, 2019, 06:07:46 PM
The show must go on!!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on January 25, 2019, 06:08:24 PM
The show must go on!!

Can't wait for the Orange man to be in orange jumpsuits!  Then it will be a show!

Trump kids should be up next.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Happiness on January 25, 2019, 06:31:19 PM
C’mon, 23 armed to the teethe, flak vest wearing swat officers at 6 in the morning with CNN in tow for one old guy in a silk bath robe to charge him with alleged lies? Give me a break!   As I have said, it’s all just a big show.
Reminds me of the time they sent an army of BATF agents with an army of news reporters with armored vehicles and news helicopters to arrest David Koresh at this compound when they could have just picked him up in front of the local Wal Mart where he shops every week. Had the feds just simply arrested Koresh on the street, the compound would not have burned down with all the kids inside. But then, a simple arrest would not have been very theatrical.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on January 25, 2019, 09:00:21 PM
C’mon, 23 armed to the teethe, flak vest wearing swat officers at 6 in the morning with CNN in tow for one old guy in a silk bath robe to charge him with alleged lies? Give me a break!   As I have said, it’s all just a big show.
Reminds me of the time they sent an army of BATF agents with an army of news reporters with armored vehicles and news helicopters to arrest David Koresh at this compound when they could have just picked him up in front of the local Wal Mart where he shops every week. Had the feds just simply arrested Koresh on the street, the compound would not have burned down with all the kids inside. But then, a simple arrest would not have been very theatrical.

Didn’t your beloved president in July 2017 urge the Long Island police to bang the heads of arrested suspects against car doors ?  At least the FBI spared roger stone a head concussion as recommended by Trump .
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on January 25, 2019, 09:47:57 PM
The show must go on!!

Can't wait for the Orange man to be in orange jumpsuits!  Then it will be a show!

Trump kids should be up next.

Yah Billy Bush we got Trump
Yah Stormy Daniels we got Trump
Yah Paul Manafort we got Trump
Yah George Papadopolous we got Trump
Yah Michael Wolf we got Trump
Yah Omerosa we got Trump
Yah Bob Woodward we got Trump
Yah Roger Stone....oh you get the idea...the show goes on and on but look who’s still standing!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on January 25, 2019, 10:45:32 PM
The show must go on!!

Can't wait for the Orange man to be in orange jumpsuits!  Then it will be a show!

Trump kids should be up next.

Yah Billy Bush we got Trump
Yah Stormy Daniels we got Trump
Yah Paul Manafort we got Trump
Yah George Papadopolous we got Trump
Yah Michael Wolf we got Trump
Yah Omerosa we got Trump
Yah Bob Woodward we got Trump
Yah Roger Stone....oh you get the idea...the show goes on and on but look who’s still standing!


You confuse no with not yet.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on January 26, 2019, 07:01:28 AM
I had posed this question in late October — “what excuses do the MAGA heads have ready after they get Thrashed in the midterms”  .

Seeing the responses here to the shutdown debacle and the roger stone arrest , looks like few have learnt any lessons yet at all .

Guiding heuristic should be  — “don’t care about what SHOULD happen , but try and guesstimate what WILL happen and plan for that ”  . This always works , be it with your $$ , politics or personal lives .... and will give your a lot less heartache down the road . 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on January 26, 2019, 09:06:24 AM
The show must go on!!

Can't wait for the Orange man to be in orange jumpsuits!  Then it will be a show!

Trump kids should be up next.

Yah Billy Bush we got Trump
Yah Stormy Daniels we got Trump
Yah Paul Manafort we got Trump
Yah George Papadopolous we got Trump
Yah Michael Wolf we got Trump
Yah Omerosa we got Trump
Yah Bob Woodward we got Trump
Yah Roger Stone....oh you get the idea...the show goes on and on but look who’s still standing!


You confuse no with not yet.

And there goes that Joy Behar wishful thinking again..




On Tuesday's edition of ABC's 'The View', co-host Joy Behar said the Covington Catholic incident at the Lincoln Memorial this weekend occurred because "we're desperate to get Trump out of office."

WHOOPI GOLDBERG, HOST: Many people admitted they made snap judgments before these other facts came in. But is it that we just instantly say that's what it is based on what we see in that moment and then have to walk stuff back when it turns out we're wrong? Why is that? Why do we keep making the same mistake?

JOY BEHAR: Because we're desperate to get Trump out of office. That's why.

ABBY HUNTSMAN: Not everybody though.

GOLDBERG: What does that have to do --

BEHAR: I think that's the reason. I think the press jumps the gun a lot because we just -- we have so much circumstantial evidence against this guy that we basically are hoping that Cohen has the goods and what have you and so it's wishful thinking.

GOLDBERG: Right, but let's talk about the kids in this particular confrontation since that's the question at hand.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/22/behar_covington_catholic_incident_happened_because_were_desperate_to_get_trump_out_of_office.html
 (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/22/behar_covington_catholic_incident_happened_because_were_desperate_to_get_trump_out_of_office.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on January 29, 2019, 08:36:48 AM
Is this a circus or what?
There are people with lock him up signs and Russian flags waiting for Roger Stone to leave the DC court. There were chants lock him up when he exited the court.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on January 29, 2019, 08:41:39 AM
The show must go on.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on January 29, 2019, 11:14:11 AM
Right!

What if Dow goes down to 18K then?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on January 29, 2019, 01:01:16 PM
It won't
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on February 04, 2019, 10:26:28 AM
Simple answers to simple questions.  A show about nothing

Is the collusion theory dead?

The last two years often seem like a concerted effort to disprove “Occam’s Razor,” the theory that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. As long hoped for links fell through, more complex theories filled the void of collusion. Yet, the simplest explanation still remains most likely, that the Trump campaign, like virtually every reporter and political operative in Washington, wanted to see the WikiLeaks material and any dirt on the Clintons, just as the Clinton campaign paid for any dirt on Trump. The Russian efforts to influence our elections also is neither novel nor new.

Indeed, the United States has engaged in hacking not just our enemies but our allies, as well as intervening in the elections of other countries, just as many of those same countries attempt against us. There is nothing “tantalizing” or “mysterious” in such an explanation, because it is more factual than aspirational. The boring truth here is that criminal collusion theories are weaker today than they were a year ago. While Mueller has found ample basis to charge people with false statements, the record of these filings shows more confusion than collusion in the Trump campaign.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/428178-is-the-collusion-theory-dead (https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/428178-is-the-collusion-theory-dead)

https://youtu.be/jUWiv5r_CZw

https://youtu.be/jUWiv5r_CZw (https://youtu.be/jUWiv5r_CZw)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 10:57:34 AM
Might just turn out to be what everyone said it was...a colossal waste of time and money!!

'They have found NO COLLUSION BETWEEN TRUMP AND RUSSIA!': Trump again touts GOP panel findings on Russia probe after complaining media ignored them

President Trump's former lawyer, John Dowd, says he doesn't expect the special counsel to release a report on his findings in the Russia probe
Dowd said he'd be 'shocked' if any of Robert Mueller's conclusions about the president became public: 'I don't think there'll be a report'
President Trump has been touting findings of Senate Intelligence Committee
Chairman Richard Burr said his panel has yet to find evidence of collusion between the president's 2016 campaign and Russia   
'If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion,' he said

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695653/Former-Trump-lawyer-says-results-Mueller-probe-likely-stay-private.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695653/Former-Trump-lawyer-says-results-Mueller-probe-likely-stay-private.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 11:10:20 AM
Might just turn out to be what everyone said it was...a colossal waste of time and money!!

'They have found NO COLLUSION BETWEEN TRUMP AND RUSSIA!': Trump again touts GOP panel findings on Russia probe after complaining media ignored them

President Trump's former lawyer, John Dowd, says he doesn't expect the special counsel to release a report on his findings in the Russia probe
Dowd said he'd be 'shocked' if any of Robert Mueller's conclusions about the president became public: 'I don't think there'll be a report'
President Trump has been touting findings of Senate Intelligence Committee
Chairman Richard Burr said his panel has yet to find evidence of collusion between the president's 2016 campaign and Russia   
'If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion,' he said

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695653/Former-Trump-lawyer-says-results-Mueller-probe-likely-stay-private.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695653/Former-Trump-lawyer-says-results-Mueller-probe-likely-stay-private.html)

Oh good...sourcing is Trump's former counsel. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on February 20, 2019, 01:00:04 PM
Might just turn out to be what everyone said it was...a colossal waste of time and money!!

'They have found NO COLLUSION BETWEEN TRUMP AND RUSSIA!': Trump again touts GOP panel findings on Russia probe after complaining media ignored them

President Trump's former lawyer, John Dowd, says he doesn't expect the special counsel to release a report on his findings in the Russia probe
Dowd said he'd be 'shocked' if any of Robert Mueller's conclusions about the president became public: 'I don't think there'll be a report'
President Trump has been touting findings of Senate Intelligence Committee
Chairman Richard Burr said his panel has yet to find evidence of collusion between the president's 2016 campaign and Russia   
'If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion,' he said

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695653/Former-Trump-lawyer-says-results-Mueller-probe-likely-stay-private.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695653/Former-Trump-lawyer-says-results-Mueller-probe-likely-stay-private.html)

Oh good...sourcing is Trump's former counsel. 

Fair enough, I'll use Jim Clapper instead. I'm sure we can agree he just loves Trump!!

Mueller report may be ‘anti-climactic,' says ex-intelligence director

...the investigation, when completed, could turn out to be quite anti-climactic and not draw a conclusion about that,” Clapper said Wednesday on CNN.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/430720-former-director-of-national-intelligence-mueller-report-may-be-anti (https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/430720-former-director-of-national-intelligence-mueller-report-may-be-anti)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on February 20, 2019, 01:02:17 PM
incoming investigation of the mueller investigation to determine whether mueller was compromised because there must be russia collusion, surely...there....mus...be.....
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on February 21, 2019, 10:43:00 AM
Adam Schiff is now hedging his bets, saying the collusion investigation "may not be the final word" on whether Trump colluded with Russia.  LOL!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 05, 2019, 12:06:16 PM
Well, that didn't work..let's try this instead...

As collusion case collapses, Democrats seek obstruction

For two years, most of the national news media have been building the case that Donald Trump somehow colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election. Countless editorials, roundtables, and expert segments all fed the perception that “Russia collusion,” an imprecise narrative shorthand for a nonexistent offense, would inevitably be proven. The left promised the puppet of Vladimir Putin would get his comeuppance in due time.

The problem is that this was all a lie. The biggest “bombshell” stories on Russia collusion reported thus far have all been either duds or outright fakes. The special counsel has yet to, and almost certainly will not, file any charges that prove Trump took part in Russia collusion. The overwhelming likelihood is, at worst, the special counsel report will contain unflattering information about the president and some of his close senior advisers.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/432436-as-collusion-case-collapses-democrats-seek-obstruction (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/432436-as-collusion-case-collapses-democrats-seek-obstruction)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 05, 2019, 12:43:52 PM
Well, that didn't work..let's try this instead...

As collusion case collapses, Democrats seek obstruction

For two years, most of the national news media have been building the case that Donald Trump somehow colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election. Countless editorials, roundtables, and expert segments all fed the perception that “Russia collusion,” an imprecise narrative shorthand for a nonexistent offense, would inevitably be proven. The left promised the puppet of Vladimir Putin would get his comeuppance in due time.

The problem is that this was all a lie. The biggest “bombshell” stories on Russia collusion reported thus far have all been either duds or outright fakes. The special counsel has yet to, and almost certainly will not, file any charges that prove Trump took part in Russia collusion. The overwhelming likelihood is, at worst, the special counsel report will contain unflattering information about the president and some of his close senior advisers.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/432436-as-collusion-case-collapses-democrats-seek-obstruction (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/432436-as-collusion-case-collapses-democrats-seek-obstruction)

LOL...oversight is actual duty of Congress.   Also...GOP spent 30 month investigating Benghazi and 8 years obstructing Obama...they were even glad to admit it. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 05, 2019, 02:30:38 PM
Just wait till they start saying “lock her up “ for AOC

that is the first place these people know to go ... regardless of who the democrat is
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 05, 2019, 04:36:35 PM
Supoena away. The precedent has been set, ignore them.

Eric Holder Is Defying the Law by Resisting Subpoena

When someone receives a subpoena, they can either comply or challenge the subpoena on certain legal grounds or claim the documents are privileged. What they cannot do is ignore the subpoena and that is what Holder did. For months, Holder has ignored the subpoena. When Darryl Issa asked if the documents had been assembled within the Justice Department, Holder refused to answer. In short, he was thumbing his nose at the committee.
[Check out our editorial cartoons on President Obama.]
Contempt is what is called a remedial power. If you fail to comply with a subpoena, you can be jailed until you do comply. You can also be jailed for contempt as a separate offense. Not shockingly, the most corrupt administration since the Nixon administration quickly announced after the contempt vote that it would not prosecute Eric Holder for contempt.
The problem here is that the Obama Regime believes it is above the law. Eric Holder went off to Disney World the day the House voted on holding him in contempt.
Doesn't that send a message? The only thing missing was Holder's extended middle finger pointed towards Congress and Darryl Issa. Holder should be jailed for contempt. He is not simply disagreeing with Congress. He is acting in defiance of the law.

https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena (https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 05, 2019, 04:41:40 PM
Supoena away. The precedent has been set, ignore them.

Eric Holder Is Defying the Law by Resisting Subpoena

When someone receives a subpoena, they can either comply or challenge the subpoena on certain legal grounds or claim the documents are privileged. What they cannot do is ignore the subpoena and that is what Holder did. For months, Holder has ignored the subpoena. When Darryl Issa asked if the documents had been assembled within the Justice Department, Holder refused to answer. In short, he was thumbing his nose at the committee.
[Check out our editorial cartoons on President Obama.]
Contempt is what is called a remedial power. If you fail to comply with a subpoena, you can be jailed until you do comply. You can also be jailed for contempt as a separate offense. Not shockingly, the most corrupt administration since the Nixon administration quickly announced after the contempt vote that it would not prosecute Eric Holder for contempt.
The problem here is that the Obama Regime believes it is above the law. Eric Holder went off to Disney World the day the House voted on holding him in contempt.
Doesn't that send a message? The only thing missing was Holder's extended middle finger pointed towards Congress and Darryl Issa. Holder should be jailed for contempt. He is not simply disagreeing with Congress. He is acting in defiance of the law.

https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena (https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena)

LOL:   Judson Phillips, Contributor Founder of Tea Party Nation 

Quote
udson Phillips is a former controversial attorney who organized (and whose family profits from) the for-profit corporation Tea Party Nation, which organized the first national Tea Party convention in February 2010. Phillips was disbarred on August 24, 2018.[1] In the decade prior to this money-making enterprise, Phillips had filed for bankruptcy under Chapter 7 of the federal code and had no less than three liens against him (Phillips claims the liens are now paid off)

BTW:

Quote
A federal judge has declined a House committee's bid to have Attorney General Eric Holder held in contempt of court — and perhaps even jailed — for failing to turn over documents related to the Justice Department' s response to Operation Fast and Furious.

However, in a ruling Monday, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson also denied Holder's request for an indefinite stay of her prior order that the attorney general must turn over any "non-privileged" documents the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee subpoenaed as part of an investigation into the botched gunrunning investigation. The judge previously ruled that Holder must give the panel any documents that are not both predecisional and deliberative in nature.

Jackson called the House contempt motion "entirely unnecessary" and said it was evident that she was considering the government's motion to lift her prior order. "Under those circumstances, the Court finds no basis to hold defendant in contempt," she wrote.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2014/10/judge-declines-to-hold-holder-in-contempt-196650


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 06, 2019, 11:47:52 AM
Well then:

Quote
The top White House lawyer on Tuesday said the Trump administration will refuse to provide Congress with information about senior adviser Jared Kushner’s security clearance, slamming House Democrats for “overly intrusive document requests.”

White House Counsel Pat Cipollone said the administration would brief the House Oversight Committee about the White House’s process for granting security clearances, but he balked at the committee’s demand for information specific to Kushner, setting up a potential subpoena fight between the powerful House panel and the White House.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/05/jared-kushner-security-clearance-1204984
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 10, 2019, 08:12:14 AM
Here is your answer to the question “what would Jesus do” , (Trump-loving evangelicals )  :)

“Robert Kraft massage parlor” lady’s Facebook page of is “covered in photos” of herself with Trump, Junior, Eric, Sarah Palin and Florida state officials

Cindy Yang arranged for Chinese business executives to attend a paid fundraiser for Trump in NYC in 2017

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article227358809.html?__twitter_impression=true


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
It turns out that it was more than a happy ending story! Her company was offering to make top connections in the US. The story gets better and better lol  ;)

“The Hill article: Florida spa chain founder advertised access to Trump at Mar-a-Lago for Chinese execs: report

The founder of a chain of Florida spas recently seen in a Super Bowl selfie with President Trump reportedly advertised access to the president at his Mar-a-Lago resort through a website for her consulting firm.

Mother Jones reported Saturday that a website for GY US Investments LLC, which was founded in 2017 by Li Yang and her husband, Zubin Gong, was advertising "activities for clients" looking to make top connections in the United States, including the chance to "interact" with the president and others.

A website written mostly in Chinese and displaying a picture of Mar-a-Lago advertised "the opportunity to interact with the president, the [American] Minister of Commerce and other political figures," according to Mother Jones. The website also reportedly advertised helping arrange presidential photo-ops and the chance to set up a "White House and Capitol Hill Dinner," Mother Jones reported.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/433342-founder-of-florida-massage-parlor-chain-reportedly-offered-chinese


Here is your answer to the question “what would Jesus do” , (Trump-loving evangelicals )  :)

“Robert Kraft massage parlor” lady’s Facebook page of is “covered in photos” of herself with Trump, Junior, Eric, Sarah Palin and Florida state officials

Cindy Yang arranged for Chinese business executives to attend a paid fundraiser for Trump in NYC in 2017

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article227358809.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 10, 2019, 01:50:14 PM
Much ado about nothing....

Per most news reports Cindy Yang sold her interests in that business "years ago". The selling of access to Mar A Lago should be a bigger story than this spa, but it's not really one that grabs headlines so expect everyone to forget this in a few days from now.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cindy-yang-affair-from-hand-jobs-to-grip-and-grins-with-donald-trump-should-not-obscure-the-huge-national-security-risks (https://www.thedailybeast.com/cindy-yang-affair-from-hand-jobs-to-grip-and-grins-with-donald-trump-should-not-obscure-the-huge-national-security-risks)

Remember that DiFi had a Chinese national as her driver who was spying for the PRC for over a decade! That's a great deal more time for someone to damage the United States than merely a few photo ops might ever do. The Dem's also still have both an Ed Buck and a Harvey Weinstein issue of their own to deal with. Also, who's the present Governor of Virginia? Asking for a few friends of mine.... in short, no matter which side you're on I'm sure you will agree there's plenty of scandal to spread around these days no matter if you're a D or an R, right?

Do both parties surround themselves with pay to play types? Yes. It's wrong and unseemly, but nothing that can be done about it. Wake me when there's something more interesting to look at.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 10, 2019, 03:02:10 PM
I know , everything pales in comparison to the email server . Or the tan suit — Now that was something ! 

Just another story showing what a bunch of sleazebags the trump klan is — tell me something new .
 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2019, 07:21:08 PM
It turns out that it was more than a happy ending story! Her company was offering to make top connections in the US. The story gets better and better lol  ;)

“The Hill article: Florida spa chain founder advertised access to Trump at Mar-a-Lago for Chinese execs: report

The founder of a chain of Florida spas recently seen in a Super Bowl selfie with President Trump reportedly advertised access to the president at his Mar-a-Lago resort through a website for her consulting firm.

Mother Jones reported Saturday that a website for GY US Investments LLC, which was founded in 2017 by Li Yang and her husband, Zubin Gong, was advertising "activities for clients" looking to make top connections in the United States, including the chance to "interact" with the president and others.

A website written mostly in Chinese and displaying a picture of Mar-a-Lago advertised "the opportunity to interact with the president, the [American] Minister of Commerce and other political figures," according to Mother Jones. The website also reportedly advertised helping arrange presidential photo-ops and the chance to set up a "White House and Capitol Hill Dinner," Mother Jones reported.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/433342-founder-of-florida-massage-parlor-chain-reportedly-offered-chinese


Here is your answer to the question “what would Jesus do” , (Trump-loving evangelicals )  :)

“Robert Kraft massage parlor” lady’s Facebook page of is “covered in photos” of herself with Trump, Junior, Eric, Sarah Palin and Florida state officials

Cindy Yang arranged for Chinese business executives to attend a paid fundraiser for Trump in NYC in 2017

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article227358809.html?__twitter_impression=true

“Trump "likes" tweet connecting massage parlor owner to Mar-a-lago

President Trump late Saturday night appeared to "like" a tweet from Mother Jones linking to a story titled, "A Florida massage parlor owner has been selling Chinese execs access to Trump at Mar-a-Lago," according to an account that tracks Trump family Twitter activity.”


https://www.axios.com/trump-tweet-mother-jones-massage-parlor-mar-a-lago-ea4ae4e8-f8ae-4995-8253-27d12e1426d9.html

I guess there is a connection between Li Yang and Trump.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Ready2Downsize on March 10, 2019, 09:36:55 PM
Here is your answer to the question “what would Jesus do” , (Trump-loving evangelicals )  :)

“Robert Kraft massage parlor” lady’s Facebook page of is “covered in photos” of herself with Trump, Junior, Eric, Sarah Palin and Florida state officials

Cindy Yang arranged for Chinese business executives to attend a paid fundraiser for Trump in NYC in 2017

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article227358809.html?__twitter_impression=true

Seems u r saying there are no Democratic evangelicals and it also seems u r not a Jesus loving person, maybe not even a believer that Jesus is God. Well...….. Jesus loves u anyway and after you're dead you'll be a believer.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2019, 09:49:18 PM
You like happy happy? jk
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 11, 2019, 08:22:44 AM
Here is your answer to the question “what would Jesus do” , (Trump-loving evangelicals )  :)

“Robert Kraft massage parlor” lady’s Facebook page of is “covered in photos” of herself with Trump, Junior, Eric, Sarah Palin and Florida state officials

Cindy Yang arranged for Chinese business executives to attend a paid fundraiser for Trump in NYC in 2017

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article227358809.html?__twitter_impression=true

Seems u r saying there are no Democratic evangelicals and it also seems u r not a Jesus loving person, maybe not even a believer that Jesus is God. Well...….. Jesus loves u anyway and after you're dead you'll be a believer.

So what’s your excuse for supporting this “porn star” presidency ? 

Trump is .... Cyrus  ??
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 11, 2019, 08:25:02 AM
You like happy happy? jk

What’s up with Republicans and  their new found monopoly over sleaze and creepiness

Have you guys seen tucker Carlson’s comments about child marriage ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2019, 09:59:55 AM
You like happy happy? jk

What’s up with Republicans and  their new found monopoly over sleaze and creepiness

Have you guys seen tucker Carlson’s comments about child marriage ...

Don’t rub me the wrong way. (That’s what they say. I guess) lol
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 11, 2019, 11:23:47 AM
Here is your answer to the question “what would Jesus do” , (Trump-loving evangelicals )  :)

“Robert Kraft massage parlor” lady’s Facebook page of is “covered in photos” of herself with Trump, Junior, Eric, Sarah Palin and Florida state officials

Cindy Yang arranged for Chinese business executives to attend a paid fundraiser for Trump in NYC in 2017

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article227358809.html?__twitter_impression=true

Seems u r saying there are no Democratic evangelicals and it also seems u r not a Jesus loving person, maybe not even a believer that Jesus is God. Well...….. Jesus loves u anyway and after you're dead you'll be a believer.

So what’s your excuse for supporting this “porn star” presidency ? 

Trump is .... Cyrus  ??

Actually...most GOP evangelicals see Trump as Saul (probably David)....things didn't work out too well for Saul.

I'm a Christian and dislike Trump but I think Evangelicals views are that Trump is doing what they want to do policy wise (abortion, Christian "freedom", attacking the hippies)  so they don't care about any of Trump's other issues.  It's a defensible POV except it is insanely hypocritical...but Evangelicals don't care about that...their religion is their identity.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 11, 2019, 11:34:57 AM
The thing is — The Mar-a-Lago and Chinese “business executives” story  isn’t simply about crony capitalism or foreign businesses buying access.

Given that there’s zero chance these Chinese businesses aren’t enmeshed with China’s intelligence services, it’s a national security problem.

The GOP ran a TWO YEAR campaign on sacred devotion to the protection of classified information.  And white evangelicals ARE the GOP base today. 

They now have no concerns about the massage parlor lady and and no follow up questions about Trump's own staff saying Kushner poses a security threat.

We are all taking crazy pills now it seems
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 11, 2019, 12:04:58 PM
The thing is — The Mar-a-Lago and Chinese “business executives” story  isn’t simply about crony capitalism or foreign businesses buying access.

Given that there’s zero chance these Chinese businesses aren’t enmeshed with China’s intelligence services, it’s a national security problem.

The GOP ran a TWO YEAR campaign on sacred devotion to the protection of classified information.  And white evangelicals ARE the GOP base today. 

They now have no concerns about the massage parlor lady and and no follow up questions about Trump's own staff saying Kushner poses a security threat.

We are all taking crazy pills now it seems

I agree with all of this...but Evangelicals don't care.  They have this weird fetish with Israel because they see the confrontation in the ME as the beginning of the 2nd coming of Christ.  So they are super pro Israel because it validates their end of days vision. 

They don't care about the now or people...they just care about validating their beliefs and expectations.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 11, 2019, 02:34:09 PM
IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACH...whaaa? is nancy compromised by putin too??!  or did trump just beat nancy?  nancy 3123 - 1 trump  .... are we still keeping score?  ;D ;D ;D

Quote
Pelosi says impeaching Trump 'just not worth it'

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in an interview published Monday that she's against impeaching President Trump "unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan," arguing "he's just not worth it."

"Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it," Pelosi told The Washington Post.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433547-pelosi-says-impeaching-trump-just-not-worth-it (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433547-pelosi-says-impeaching-trump-just-not-worth-it)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 11, 2019, 02:43:48 PM
But no comment on you like happy-happy?
Where’s Morekas regarding the rubbber (rubbin) ducky @ the day spa. They take care of your aches and pains. (Pay extra and they take care of more. Cash only) jk

IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACH...whaaa? is nancy compromised by putin too??!  or did trump just beat nancy?  nancy 3123 - 1 trump  .... are we still keeping score?  ;D ;D ;D

Quote
Pelosi says impeaching Trump 'just not worth it'

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in an interview published Monday that she's against impeaching President Trump "unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan," arguing "he's just not worth it."

"Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it," Pelosi told The Washington Post.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433547-pelosi-says-impeaching-trump-just-not-worth-it (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433547-pelosi-says-impeaching-trump-just-not-worth-it)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 11, 2019, 02:57:52 PM
IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACH...whaaa? is nancy compromised by putin too??!  or did trump just beat nancy?  nancy 3123 - 1 trump  .... are we still keeping score?  ;D ;D ;D

Quote
Pelosi says impeaching Trump 'just not worth it'

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in an interview published Monday that she's against impeaching President Trump "unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan," arguing "he's just not worth it."

"Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it," Pelosi told The Washington Post.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433547-pelosi-says-impeaching-trump-just-not-worth-it (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433547-pelosi-says-impeaching-trump-just-not-worth-it)

She literally said that as soon as the Dems took the House.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on March 11, 2019, 06:31:45 PM
IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACH...whaaa? is nancy compromised by putin too??!  or did trump just beat nancy?  nancy 3123 - 1 trump  .... are we still keeping score?  ;D ;D ;D

Quote
Pelosi says impeaching Trump 'just not worth it'

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in an interview published Monday that she's against impeaching President Trump "unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan," arguing "he's just not worth it."

"Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it," Pelosi told The Washington Post.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433547-pelosi-says-impeaching-trump-just-not-worth-it (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/433547-pelosi-says-impeaching-trump-just-not-worth-it)

She literally said that as soon as the Dems took the House.

Yea, that's a duh.  Much like Clinton, the house can Impeach, but the Senate won't convict on trial. So all Impeaching does is rile the Republican base and embitters the moderates.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 12, 2019, 11:20:43 AM
Well the foots on the other shoe now... ;D ;D ;D

Glenn Greenwald after speaker rejects impeachment: Does Putin have dirt on Pelosi?


Intercept journalist Glenn Greenwald speculated Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin might have some sort of dirt on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., after she abruptly shut the door on impeaching President Trump.

In a series of tweets, Greenwald also questioned the motives of the Democratic Party, members of which have long questioned whether Trump has been compromised by the Russians over the course of Russia collusion investigations by special counsel Robert Mueller and congressional panels.

"If Trump is literally controlled by Putin to the point where Trump is forced to act in the best interests of Russia *at the expense of the US* - which has been the prevailing claim not of Dem fringes but its mainstream - how can it be morally justified not to impeach him???" he said. "Obama's CIA Director, @JohnBrennan, proclaimed Trump guilty not just of ordinary crimes but *treason,* the penalty for which is death. There was barely any dissent from Dems. How can anyone justify Pelosi's desire to leave a *traitor* in power for 2 years?"

He added: "Is it possible that Putin has something on Pelosi?"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/glenn-greenwald-after-speaker-rejects-impeachment-does-putin-have-dirt-on-pelosi (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/glenn-greenwald-after-speaker-rejects-impeachment-does-putin-have-dirt-on-pelosi)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 20, 2019, 12:07:57 PM
Supoena away. The precedent has been set, ignore them.

Eric Holder Is Defying the Law by Resisting Subpoena

When someone receives a subpoena, they can either comply or challenge the subpoena on certain legal grounds or claim the documents are privileged. What they cannot do is ignore the subpoena and that is what Holder did. For months, Holder has ignored the subpoena. When Darryl Issa asked if the documents had been assembled within the Justice Department, Holder refused to answer. In short, he was thumbing his nose at the committee.
[Check out our editorial cartoons on President Obama.]
Contempt is what is called a remedial power. If you fail to comply with a subpoena, you can be jailed until you do comply. You can also be jailed for contempt as a separate offense. Not shockingly, the most corrupt administration since the Nixon administration quickly announced after the contempt vote that it would not prosecute Eric Holder for contempt.
The problem here is that the Obama Regime believes it is above the law. Eric Holder went off to Disney World the day the House voted on holding him in contempt.
Doesn't that send a message? The only thing missing was Holder's extended middle finger pointed towards Congress and Darryl Issa. Holder should be jailed for contempt. He is not simply disagreeing with Congress. He is acting in defiance of the law.

https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena (https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena)

Told ya...

White House ignores House panels’ requests for documents, Democrats say

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/white-house-intent-on-challenging-democrats-request-for-documents-in-probe-of-trump/2019/03/19/7286a74c-4a83-11e9-b79a-961983b7e0cd_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/white-house-intent-on-challenging-democrats-request-for-documents-in-probe-of-trump/2019/03/19/7286a74c-4a83-11e9-b79a-961983b7e0cd_story.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 20, 2019, 01:01:35 PM
Supoena away. The precedent has been set, ignore them.

Eric Holder Is Defying the Law by Resisting Subpoena

When someone receives a subpoena, they can either comply or challenge the subpoena on certain legal grounds or claim the documents are privileged. What they cannot do is ignore the subpoena and that is what Holder did. For months, Holder has ignored the subpoena. When Darryl Issa asked if the documents had been assembled within the Justice Department, Holder refused to answer. In short, he was thumbing his nose at the committee.
[Check out our editorial cartoons on President Obama.]
Contempt is what is called a remedial power. If you fail to comply with a subpoena, you can be jailed until you do comply. You can also be jailed for contempt as a separate offense. Not shockingly, the most corrupt administration since the Nixon administration quickly announced after the contempt vote that it would not prosecute Eric Holder for contempt.
The problem here is that the Obama Regime believes it is above the law. Eric Holder went off to Disney World the day the House voted on holding him in contempt.
Doesn't that send a message? The only thing missing was Holder's extended middle finger pointed towards Congress and Darryl Issa. Holder should be jailed for contempt. He is not simply disagreeing with Congress. He is acting in defiance of the law.

https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena (https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena)

Told ya...

White House ignores House panels’ requests for documents, Democrats say

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/white-house-intent-on-challenging-democrats-request-for-documents-in-probe-of-trump/2019/03/19/7286a74c-4a83-11e9-b79a-961983b7e0cd_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/white-house-intent-on-challenging-democrats-request-for-documents-in-probe-of-trump/2019/03/19/7286a74c-4a83-11e9-b79a-961983b7e0cd_story.html)

Told me what?  Of course they are going to resist...they already said they were.  Question whether the courts are going to make them comply.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 24, 2019, 01:38:21 PM
Mmmmmmm.... as expected a great big Nothingburger... with a side of Freedom Fries for all.

I like that Muller kept tight control over leaks during the investigation. Having watched the terribly handled Clinton impeachment process and comparing it to this go round, Muller's way was in the end the right way of getting to the bottom of this whole manufactured "scandal". Consider yourselves lucky to have witnessed a near coup de etat by those enraged that HRC wasn't coronated as planned. This was the Deep States "insurance policy" that just wasn't going to payout.

Let's hope the Country can move past this, as adults should, and find something better to do with their time. Americans survived and thrived after Nixon and Clinton, as the should do with Trump now that the "collusion" hoax has been dealt with.

My .02c
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 24, 2019, 02:18:52 PM
#Winning   >:D
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 24, 2019, 03:34:58 PM
Mmmmmmm.... as expected a great big Nothingburger... with a side of Freedom Fries for all.

I like that Muller kept tight control over leaks during the investigation. Having watched the terribly handled Clinton impeachment process and comparing it to this go round, Muller's way was in the end the right way of getting to the bottom of this whole manufactured "scandal". Consider yourselves lucky to have witnessed a near coup de etat by those enraged that HRC wasn't coronated as planned. This was the Deep States "insurance policy" that just wasn't going to payout.

Let's hope the Country can move past this, as adults should, and find something better to do with their time. Americans survived and thrived after Nixon and Clinton, as the should do with Trump now that the "collusion" hoax has been dealt with.

My .02c

How did this start? Some person had too much to drink and open his mouth to a foreign diplomat. Also, if Trump didn’t fire Comey. There would have been no investigation.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 24, 2019, 04:08:06 PM
The two dozen indictments and plenty of people serving hard jail time is just a nothingburger , yes. People can read what they want with their biased lenses and come to their own conclusions.  I can tell you not many votes for 2020 are turning based on this report anyways .

What the Mueller probe established, according to what we have heard so far, is that the Russians hacked the DNC and engaged in an aggressive, covert campaign to influence our election. And we have Trump standing meekly next to Putin in Helsinki  and accepting his denials.

The indictments that came in dribs and drabs over two years normalized everyone to the scale of the crime . Wonder how the reaction would have been had mueller deliver all the indictments in one shot at the very end...

I just hope when trump and the MAGA movement  gets an ass kicking in 2020 , people here can come to terms with it and move on and submit to reality !
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 24, 2019, 09:20:53 PM
This is reality...give in to six more years.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: spootieho on March 25, 2019, 02:13:24 AM
People cant be happy to find there was no crime.  Everyone should be happy. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 25, 2019, 05:06:38 AM
BTW  is mueller still a political hack and a witch hunt maniac ? Or are republiicans now going to start worshipping him ? What happened to all the deep state conspiracy theories ?

What will trump run on now ? The only issue where he plays the “victim “ has been taken away from him .

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 25, 2019, 07:03:38 AM
top dems and media perpetuated a hoax for 2.5 years

trump finally completely vindicated

all americans should be happy

trump 2020 locked in!

https://youtu.be/z0A4yvTAwTg
https://youtu.be/z0A4yvTAwTg (https://youtu.be/z0A4yvTAwTg)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2019, 08:11:37 AM
Enjoy....

https://youtu.be/aOw2hTBHMvA

https://youtu.be/aOw2hTBHMvA (https://youtu.be/aOw2hTBHMvA)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2019, 11:35:01 AM
This is not "guilty till proven innocent". I would give her the benefit if she or this new one had just one witness to back up even an inkling of their stories.  So far, neither one can.  In fact quite the opposite seems true,  their "best friends" can't recall either incident ever happening. Now creepy porn lawyer want in on the action.  This whole thing looks more and more like a political hit job. 

and on the same day that Trump is cleared..creepy porn lawyer is indited...how delightful.

Trump’s perfect day just got even better: Michael Avenatti is charged with extortion after 'demanding $25M from Nike to keep quiet about claims of employee misconduct he planned to release during NCAA tourney'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6848519/Michael-Avenatti-charged-four-counts-wire-bank-fraud-trying-extort-20M-Nike.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6848519/Michael-Avenatti-charged-four-counts-wire-bank-fraud-trying-extort-20M-Nike.html)

https://youtu.be/--JiLOt7dQ4

https://youtu.be/--JiLOt7dQ4 (https://youtu.be/--JiLOt7dQ4)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2019, 12:03:46 PM
Technically the investigations are not over. There are ongoing federal and state investigations. (publicly known)

The Meuller probe has ended. But release the full report like Rubio and Cruz have mentioned.

“Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio Say Mueller Report 'Absolutely' Should Be Released To Public”

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c97917de4b0a6329e17dafd
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: zubs on March 25, 2019, 12:11:09 PM
I'm glad there was no collusion.
I'm still not voting for trump in 2020 though.

He'll have to do something extra good if he wants my vote....less than 2 years left.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 25, 2019, 01:16:04 PM
Same here. Money and time well spent to find the truth.

If Trump voices is lesser divisiveness, he will likely win in 2020. Policies and NOT personality will decide his office in next election for the White House.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2019, 01:29:26 PM
Same here. Money and time well spent to find the truth.

If Trump voices is lesser divisiveness, he will likely win in 2020. Policies and NOT personality will decide his office in next election for the White House.

Not really. This administration is a complete joke like the tax cuts.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 25, 2019, 01:34:23 PM
There is still plenty of time for Trump to lose the 2020 election. May I recommend reading up on GHW Bush and his 90% approval rating, yet only a few months later was defeated in the 1990 election. As once said by Solomon, there is nothing new under the sun.

It seems like it's Trump's to lose today, but if the D's were to have a Biden/Michelle Obama ticket, there's a real horse race that Trump would not be able to overcome. In full disclosure, I had hoped 2016 would have been a Trump/Sanders affair just to highlight the differences in political philosophy brewing back then. If Biden blows his chance, then perhaps I'll finally get the race I wanted to watch!

If any of those on the Left here in Irvine still have their Mueller votive candles, I'm willing to buy one from you. Those have to be the funniest tchotchke's ever created for a political movement. Sure, I could order one off of e-bay, but it wouldn't be the same as looking into the eyes of someone who seriously and faithfully first purchased it in hopes that it would empower the investigation.

My .02ci
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2019, 01:38:06 PM
Soy never will adress what caused the initial probe.

Way to grow your business. (perfectly legal statement and don’t pm me)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2019, 01:42:25 PM
I think it’s good that SC realtor doesn’t get involved with sticky topics like this one. (Stay away from the mud throwing)

In other words. If my business got referrals from the TI forum. I would not get involved in this topic like he has.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2019, 01:51:35 PM
FYI - it’s common practice for law enforcement to look at other things than the original scope. If they come across other things during an investigation or inquiry.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2019, 01:53:25 PM
If people just told the truth. This could of been like a 6 months investigation or not even an investigation.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 25, 2019, 02:19:30 PM
By the modern definition, today is one of the greatest days ever for conservatism :)

“ conservatism is when something triggers the libs and the more the libs are triggered the conservatismer it is “

— Edmund Burke
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 25, 2019, 02:32:39 PM
This is reality...give in to six more years.

Noooooooo!

So political alignments aside... do you really think Trump makes a good president? I liked Obama, was neutral to ok on Bush, did not like Clinton. While I do like the turmoil he causes, he's a bit of an embarrassment (I say "bit" as kind as I can).
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2019, 02:49:33 PM
Who cares how anyone votes here? We could all vote one way but the Dem will get calis electoral votes. As I have said before, my vote simply gives me the right to bitch.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 25, 2019, 02:51:38 PM
so did it really take 675 days to find out there was no collusion?  how long was mueller holding onto this conclusion?  how long was he looking for a crime that never occurred?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 25, 2019, 02:52:40 PM
This is not "guilty till proven innocent". I would give her the benefit if she or this new one had just one witness to back up even an inkling of their stories.  So far, neither one can.  In fact quite the opposite seems true,  their "best friends" can't recall either incident ever happening. Now creepy porn lawyer want in on the action.  This whole thing looks more and more like a political hit job. 

and on the same day that Trump is cleared..creepy porn lawyer is indited...how delightful.

Trump’s perfect day just got even better: Michael Avenatti is charged with extortion after 'demanding $25M from Nike to keep quiet about claims of employee misconduct he planned to release during NCAA tourney'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6848519/Michael-Avenatti-charged-four-counts-wire-bank-fraud-trying-extort-20M-Nike.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6848519/Michael-Avenatti-charged-four-counts-wire-bank-fraud-trying-extort-20M-Nike.html)

https://youtu.be/--JiLOt7dQ4

https://youtu.be/--JiLOt7dQ4 (https://youtu.be/--JiLOt7dQ4)

#basta
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 25, 2019, 03:03:23 PM
I think there are plenty of instances in the past where the MAGA band has started marching too early only to fall flat on their faces later

Remember the 4 percent economic growth and the miracle of tax cuts ?

Remember all the mortgage experts here on interest rates ?

North Korean Nobel peace price ?

Midterm election face plant ?

I could go on and on ...

the idea that it's essential to get a good headline and loudly bang on the drums to control the narrative is overbought.

If there is a backlash when the actual report is disclosed, or when other stuff comes out, it would be bigger than people are assuming.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2019, 03:32:53 PM
so did it really take 675 days to find out there was no collusion?  how long was mueller holding onto this conclusion?  how long was he looking for a crime that never occurred?

So no one lied to law enforcement? Lies after lies. This could of been like a 6 month or less inquiry.
 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 25, 2019, 03:41:55 PM
so did it really take 675 days to find out there was no collusion?  how long was mueller holding onto this conclusion?  how long was he looking for a crime that never occurred?

So no one lied to law enforcement? Lies after lies. This could of been like a 6 month or less inquiry.

who lied to the american people for 2+ years?  the people will remember at the polls in 2020  ;)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 25, 2019, 04:06:33 PM
so did it really take 675 days to find out there was no collusion?  how long was mueller holding onto this conclusion?  how long was he looking for a crime that never occurred?

So no one lied to law enforcement? Lies after lies. This could of been like a 6 month or less inquiry.

who lied to the american people for 2+ years?  the people will remember at the polls in 2020  ;)

1. Stop dancing around the question
2. We saw what the Americans thought of Trump results of the Midterms
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 25, 2019, 04:13:42 PM
so did it really take 675 days to find out there was no collusion?  how long was mueller holding onto this conclusion?  how long was he looking for a crime that never occurred?

So no one lied to law enforcement? Lies after lies. This could of been like a 6 month or less inquiry.

who lied to the american people for 2+ years?  the people will remember at the polls in 2020  ;)

1. Stop dancing around the question
2. We saw what the Americans thought of Trump ir Midterms

This says a lot btw

Mitch McConnell today: "It is deeply disturbing that the Obama administration was apparently insufficiently prepared to anticipate and counter these Russian threats."

Same Mitch McConnell previously: Blocked Obama admin from making a bipartisan statement on Russian election meddling.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2019, 05:45:24 PM
I think you have some “bad information “.... you wouldn’t be the only one...

John Brennan Admits He had ‘Bad Information’ on Mueller Report: ‘I Suspected There Was More’

After previously insisting there was collusion between President Donald Trump and Russia, former CIA Director John Brennan completed his 180 on the issue today by admitting he “suspected there was more than there actually was.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-brennan-admits-he-had-bad-information-on-mueller-report-i-suspected-there-was-more/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-brennan-admits-he-had-bad-information-on-mueller-report-i-suspected-there-was-more/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 25, 2019, 05:45:51 PM
so did it really take 675 days to find out there was no collusion?  how long was mueller holding onto this conclusion?  how long was he looking for a crime that never occurred?

So no one lied to law enforcement? Lies after lies. This could of been like a 6 month or less inquiry.

who lied to the american people for 2+ years?  the people will remember at the polls in 2020  ;)

1. Stop dancing around the question
2. We saw what the Americans thought of Trump results of the Midterms

i'm glad you brought up midterms - did mueller dragging on the report influence the midterms?  i think we need a special council investigation!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 25, 2019, 05:50:49 PM
so did it really take 675 days to find out there was no collusion?  how long was mueller holding onto this conclusion?  how long was he looking for a crime that never occurred?

So no one lied to law enforcement? Lies after lies. This could of been like a 6 month or less inquiry.

who lied to the american people for 2+ years?  the people will remember at the polls in 2020  ;)

1. Stop dancing around the question
2. We saw what the Americans thought of Trump results of the Midterms

i'm glad you brought up midterms - did mueller dragging on the report influence the midterms?  i think we need a special council investigation!

Wasn’t it “the economy , stupid” ?  — As all of you MAGA heads kept claiming down to the very end

And then still lost despite a fantastic job market and new highs in equity markets
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 25, 2019, 06:28:25 PM
so did it really take 675 days to find out there was no collusion?  how long was mueller holding onto this conclusion?  how long was he looking for a crime that never occurred?

So no one lied to law enforcement? Lies after lies. This could of been like a 6 month or less inquiry.

who lied to the american people for 2+ years?  the people will remember at the polls in 2020  ;)

1. Stop dancing around the question
2. We saw what the Americans thought of Trump results of the Midterms

i'm glad you brought up midterms - did mueller dragging on the report influence the midterms?  i think we need a special council investigation!

Wasn’t it “the economy , stupid” ?  — As all of you MAGA heads kept claiming down to the very end

And then still lost despite a fantastic job market and new highs in equity markets

i agree, it should have been a shoo-in for republican victory in the midterms! the only answer is outside influence and collusion between mueller and the democrats!

sound familiar?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2019, 07:31:37 PM
You can have your precious midterms.  What you see as some sort of victory only infected the Dems with a slew of idealistic, militant, dopey fools who have bullied their way into control.  The Smiths are overwhelming the machine world and they don’t know how to control it.  Your fine young radicals are tearing that party apart. By the time the next election rolls around there may be little left for Trump to thump. You can have them Neo, they are a crippling disease.


https://youtu.be/9aFVSkncq00

https://youtu.be/9aFVSkncq00 (https://youtu.be/9aFVSkncq00)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 25, 2019, 08:37:49 PM
Haven’t you guys learned a thing or two after being so wrong for so long on so many fronts in the last two years ...

Darwin and evolution .. he clearly wasn’t talking about the republicans on this forum
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2019, 08:43:23 PM
If that’s what you believe, power to ya. They will be the downfall of the left...I love Occasional Cortex and all her buddies.  I hope Nancy ticks them off more and it sparks some primary challenges. Bring on the fools!! The more the marrier. Trump 2020 will be assured so I chear them on too.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2019, 10:37:55 PM
...and right along those lines , Go Ilhan ...the smell of cordite is thick...

Kamala Harris mobbed on Twitter after meeting with California AIPAC leaders

Despite not attending this year's American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) policy conference, California Sen. Kamala Harris met with California AIPAC leaders in her Senate office Monday, much to the dismay of critics of Israel, many of them progressives.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer took a not-so-subtle shot at Ilhan Omar during his Monday evening speech.

"You can be a Jew and care about Israel and it does not make you any less American," he said. "You can be a Jew and lobby for Israel and it does not make you any less American."

https://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/Kamala-Harris-AIPAC-tweet-progressives-Israel-Jews-13715866.php (https://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/Kamala-Harris-AIPAC-tweet-progressives-Israel-Jews-13715866.php)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on March 26, 2019, 09:35:46 AM
The two dozen indictments and plenty of people serving hard jail time is just a nothingburger , yes. People can read what they want with their biased lenses and come to their own conclusions.  I can tell you not many votes for 2020 are turning based on this report anyways .

What the Mueller probe established, according to what we have heard so far, is that the Russians hacked the DNC and engaged in an aggressive, covert campaign to influence our election. And we have Trump standing meekly next to Putin in Helsinki  and accepting his denials.

The indictments that came in dribs and drabs over two years normalized everyone to the scale of the crime . Wonder how the reaction would have been had mueller deliver all the indictments in one shot at the very end...

I just hope when trump and the MAGA movement  gets an ass kicking in 2020 , people here can come to terms with it and move on and submit to reality !

The epic goal post-moving and level of butt hurt on this thread has made my day!  Thank you fortune11, eyephone, and Irvinecommuter!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 09:40:45 AM
The two dozen indictments and plenty of people serving hard jail time is just a nothingburger , yes. People can read what they want with their biased lenses and come to their own conclusions.  I can tell you not many votes for 2020 are turning based on this report anyways .

What the Mueller probe established, according to what we have heard so far, is that the Russians hacked the DNC and engaged in an aggressive, covert campaign to influence our election. And we have Trump standing meekly next to Putin in Helsinki  and accepting his denials.

The indictments that came in dribs and drabs over two years normalized everyone to the scale of the crime . Wonder how the reaction would have been had mueller deliver all the indictments in one shot at the very end...

I just hope when trump and the MAGA movement  gets an ass kicking in 2020 , people here can come to terms with it and move on and submit to reality !

The epic goal post-moving and level of butt hurt on this thread has made my day!  Thank you fortune11, eyephone, and Irvinecommuter!

So Liar tell us what happened during the court hearing of Cesar. The guy with Maga stickers and customized pro Trump wrappings on his van.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 09:45:30 AM
Might just turn out to be what everyone said it was...a colossal waste of time and money!!

'They have found NO COLLUSION BETWEEN TRUMP AND RUSSIA!': Trump again touts GOP panel findings on Russia probe after complaining media ignored them

President Trump's former lawyer, John Dowd, says he doesn't expect the special counsel to release a report on his findings in the Russia probe
Dowd said he'd be 'shocked' if any of Robert Mueller's conclusions about the president became public: 'I don't think there'll be a report'
President Trump has been touting findings of Senate Intelligence Committee
Chairman Richard Burr said his panel has yet to find evidence of collusion between the president's 2016 campaign and Russia   
'If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion,' he said

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695653/Former-Trump-lawyer-says-results-Mueller-probe-likely-stay-private.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695653/Former-Trump-lawyer-says-results-Mueller-probe-likely-stay-private.html)

Oh good...sourcing is Trump's former counsel. 

Turns out that source was pretty good, huh?  Better than the sources these supposedly unbiased hacks used.

THE MEDIA’S RUSSIA ‘BOMBSHELLS’ LOOK EVEN WORSE NOW THAT MUELLER FOUND NO COLLUSION

Attorney General William Barr told Congress Sunday that special counsel Robert Mueller did not find collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, destroying two years of media speculation and bad reporting.

The obsession to prove collusion has dampened the media’s journalistic abilities, leading to a seemingly endless list of corrections, retractions and apologies.

In light of Mueller concluding his investigation, we’ve compiled a list of some of the worst media screwups in the history of Russia theories.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/25/media-russia-collusion-mueller-report-fake-news/ (https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/25/media-russia-collusion-mueller-report-fake-news/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 09:59:59 AM
“New York Post article: ‘MAGA bomber’ Cesar Sayoc breaks down as he pleads guilty, faces life in prison

“In October 2018, I made devices that were designed to look like bombs and sent them in the US Mail,” he said softly, while reading from a prepared statement.

“I sent 16 devices to people around the country.”

“I also put pictures of the recipients with a red Xs over their faces inside the package,” the muscle-bound former stripper added.

Near the end of his statement, Sayoc’s voice choked up with emotion as his body shook and he scrunched up his face, apparently holding back tears.

“I am extremely sorry,” he said in a voice barely above a whisper.

At the time, Sayoc was living in a white van with its windows covered with pro-Trump images and messages, and others attacking the president’s critics — including ones that showed red crosshairs over Obama and Clinton.

The dashboard was also covered with baseball caps featuring American flag motifs and Trump’s signature “Make America Great Again” slogan.”


https://nypost.com/2019/03/21/maga-bomber-cesar-sayoc-breaks-down-as-he-pleads-guilty-faces-life-in-prison/

My comment: So run if you see someone with multiple MAGA slogans on their vehicle. Jk
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 10:06:21 AM
Wow. I didn’t know that he put a picture of the recipient with a red x over their face.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on March 26, 2019, 10:14:44 AM
THE MEDIA’S RUSSIA ‘BOMBSHELLS’ LOOK EVEN WORSE NOW THAT MUELLER FOUND NO COLLUSION

Attorney General William Barr told Congress Sunday that special counsel Robert Mueller did not find collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, destroying two years of media speculation and bad reporting.

The obsession to prove collusion has dampened the media’s journalistic abilities, leading to a seemingly endless list of corrections, retractions and apologies.

In light of Mueller concluding his investigation, we’ve compiled a list of some of the worst media screwups in the history of Russia theories.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/25/media-russia-collusion-mueller-report-fake-news/ (https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/25/media-russia-collusion-mueller-report-fake-news/)

That article is excellent - 16 different instances of fake news contributing to the Russian collusion hoax.  What a trip down memory lane.  Even NPR, with their supposedly higher standard of journalism, was caught red-handed reporting fake news.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 10:19:04 AM
I love how Liar side steps the comments. Liar previously defended Cesar aka the Maga Bomber.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 10:23:32 AM
“USA Today article: Suspect in mob boss' death was influenced by right-wing conspiracy theories, lawyer says

Anthony Comello, 24, was formally charged in New York on Monday for the killing of Frank Cali, the alleged boss of the Gambino crime family in Staten Island. He was caught by police in Brick, New Jersey, on March 16 – three days after Cali's death.

Comello's lawyer Robert Gottlieb spoke to reporters Monday, according to NBC News, and said that his client is not guilty and that what happened was "directly related to the hate that people are bombarded with every day on the internet."

On March 18, Comello appeared in court and appeared to have slogans like “MAGA Forever” and “United We Stand MAGA" written on his hands.”

Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/26/anthony-comello-right-wing-conspiracy-theories/3275721002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

My comment: Another MAGA superstar?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 26, 2019, 10:53:27 AM
Liar loan pops up here once in a while when the news cycle is favorable to trump and completes the circle jerk of MAGA posters

then remind him of all the bad forecasts he has made time and again and he slinks back into his “bond bubble”
 :) 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 26, 2019, 11:29:20 AM
On a more serious note —-

What I’m most curious about is there was a cooperation agreement with Manafort that later collapsed.

So were there charges that at one point Mueller thought he could bring that Manafort backing out made impossible?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 11:40:57 AM
On a more serious note —-

What I’m most curious about is there was a cooperation agreement with Manafort that later collapsed.

So were there charges that at one point Mueller thought he could bring that Manafort backing out made impossible?

Or....there never was any collusion case at all and all they got was unrelated tax and process charges.  That seems to be the real story...less all the hopeful speculation.  Just what if this really was a big witch hunt driven by pure hate?  Could you ever accept that or will you forever speculate on shoehorning narratives to fit a story you like? Maybe, just maybe, the simplest story and not some elaborate conspiracy is the truth. Nothing to see.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 11:48:41 AM
On a more serious note —-

What I’m most curious about is there was a cooperation agreement with Manafort that later collapsed.

So were there charges that at one point Mueller thought he could bring that Manafort backing out made impossible?

Or....there never was any collusion case at all and all they got was unrelated tax and process charges.  That seems to be the real story...less all the hopeful speculation.  Just what if this really was a big witch hunt driven by pure hate?  Could you ever accept that or will you forever speculate on shoehorning narratives to fit a story you like? Maybe, just maybe, the simplest story and not some elaborate conspiracy is the truth. Nothing to see.

How about this scenario? If a cop pulls you over because your brake light is out and sees an open container alcohol. Does he suppose to look the other way? Heck no.

Don’t blame the government. Blame the person who cheated the government/US tax payers.

Again, if people told the truth. There would probably be no investigation. It would be more like 5 guys taking out the trash. (Not the brightest bunch and that’s it)

They could of simply said, yeah we talked and that’s it.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 11:55:01 AM
I don't blame the government itself, I blame partisan hacks and a complicit, greedy media for pushing a false narrative that damaged the country for no other reason than hate, denial and their own corruption.  What a colossal waste of time money and effort, and for what? I know why they did it, but he's still there.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 26, 2019, 11:55:15 AM
On a more serious note —-

What I’m most curious about is there was a cooperation agreement with Manafort that later collapsed.

So were there charges that at one point Mueller thought he could bring that Manafort backing out made impossible?

Or....there never was any collusion case at all and all they got was unrelated tax and process charges.  That seems to be the real story...less all the hopeful speculation.  Just what if this really was a big witch hunt driven by pure hate?  Could you ever accept that or will you forever speculate on shoehorning narratives to fit a story you like? Maybe, just maybe, the simplest story and not some elaborate conspiracy is the truth. Nothing to see.

How about this scenario? If a cop pulls you over because your brake light is out and sees an open container alcohol. Does he suppose to look the other way? Heck no.

Don’t blame the government. Blame the person who cheated the government/US tax payers.

i don't think anyone here really cares that much about manafort, and if he committed crimes then he should pay the fair price (i.e. what is typical for tax evasion etc.).  the point morekaos is making is that all the hoopla about manafort going down and that he was going to talk and spill all the dirt about trump that the media put in your head for months and months was all a big lie.  i'm sure it hurts to find out you've been lied to all this time.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 26, 2019, 11:58:28 AM
On a more serious note —-

What I’m most curious about is there was a cooperation agreement with Manafort that later collapsed.

So were there charges that at one point Mueller thought he could bring that Manafort backing out made impossible?

Or....there never was any collusion case at all and all they got was unrelated tax and process charges.  That seems to be the real story...less all the hopeful speculation.  Just what if this really was a big witch hunt driven by pure hate?  Could you ever accept that or will you forever speculate on shoehorning narratives to fit a story you like? Maybe, just maybe, the simplest story and not some elaborate conspiracy is the truth. Nothing to see.

How about this scenario? If a cop pulls you over because your brake light is out and sees an open container alcohol. Does he suppose to look the other way? Heck no.

Don’t blame the government. Blame the person who cheated the government/US tax payers.

Again, if people told the truth. There would probably be no investigation. It would be more like 5 guys taking out the trash. (Not the brightest bunch and that’s it)

They could of simply said, yeah we talked and that’s it.

Also the Barr letter doesn’t  really clear Trump. It defines crimes to exclude what Trump did.

if we get to September 2020 and the Mueller Report has never seen the light of day, people are going to notice, and nobody but extreme GOP partisans are going to vote for Trump on the basis of "no collusion".

This is something the hyper partisans on this forum seem to miss

Separate emotion from analysis — otherwise this is how you lose every prediction on this forum for the last two years
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 12:01:50 PM
More bombshell promises and predictions...credibility on that is kinda thin now.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 12:01:56 PM
On a more serious note —-

What I’m most curious about is there was a cooperation agreement with Manafort that later collapsed.

So were there charges that at one point Mueller thought he could bring that Manafort backing out made impossible?

Or....there never was any collusion case at all and all they got was unrelated tax and process charges.  That seems to be the real story...less all the hopeful speculation.  Just what if this really was a big witch hunt driven by pure hate?  Could you ever accept that or will you forever speculate on shoehorning narratives to fit a story you like? Maybe, just maybe, the simplest story and not some elaborate conspiracy is the truth. Nothing to see.

How about this scenario? If a cop pulls you over because your brake light is out and sees an open container alcohol. Does he suppose to look the other way? Heck no.

Don’t blame the government. Blame the person who cheated the government/US tax payers.

i don't think anyone here really cares that much about manafort, and if he committed crimes then he should pay the fair price (i.e. what is typical for tax evasion etc.).  the point morekaos is making is that all the hoopla about manafort going down and that he was going to talk and spill all the dirt about trump that the media put in your head for months and months was all a big lie.  i'm sure it hurts to find out you've been lied to all this time.

I’m not hurt. Again, if you lie to law enforcement then you face the consequences. Also, do you believe that law enforcement have the right to charge other crimes other than the original suspected one? Just to let you know there is case law that gives the cops the right.

Your always making excuses and can’t answer the question what triggered the investigation. (Lies, too much to drink talker, more lies, and the firing of Comey) All of this could of been prevented.

Btw-Let me know when you buy a suite in Russia. (I never had a deal with Russia. Now that was a lie. Not part of the investigation, but it came out due to the investigation.)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 12:02:53 PM
More bombshell promises and predictions...credibility on that is kinda thin now.

which you don’t have after your racist comments.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 12:06:35 PM
Its not my credibility thats in question. Its the self righteous media, Democrat hacks, celebrity fools and partisan talking heads.  No one listens to little old me.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 12:07:15 PM
Its not my credibility thats in question. Its the self righteous media, Democrat hacks, celebrity fools and partisan talking heads.  No one listens to little old me.

Let’s face it. News flash. Not that many people like you on TI. Take a hike!

Your racist comments are horrible. They really are.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 12:08:34 PM
More than you think.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 12:10:25 PM
More than you think.

Again. You are an opportunist. You don’t care about other Republicans that are from the South. (Pan handle, Bama, Midwest) You paint a picture that Gop supporters don’t receive government assistance. News Flash. They do!

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 26, 2019, 12:12:39 PM
Name one prediction in the last 2 years that these MAGA people , especially in purple font , have made which Came true

They always get hyper excited at everything like teenagers and then the post volume quietly dies down as reality hits them smack in the face.  The North Korea discussion on this forum is an important case in point

Let’s see how all these hyper excited purple and other MAGA circle jerk posts hold up in 2-3 months time . I will take a guess ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 12:15:09 PM
Its not my credibility thats in question. Its the self righteous media, Democrat hacks, celebrity fools and partisan talking heads.  No one listens to little old me.

Let’s face it. News flash. Not that many people like you on TI. Take a hike!

Your racist comments are horrible. They really are.

I don’t mind debating about politics. Like I said before I have friends that are Republicans. But as soon as you start going into gutter with your racial comments. I am going to push back.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 12:19:29 PM
Seriously, what racial are you talkn about?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 12:21:10 PM
Seriously, what racial are you talkn about?

Are you like under a rock? Your snowflake thread.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 12:24:28 PM
Still don't see whats racist about that.  Just because it mentions black face in a published story, doesn't mean you are supporting blackface,...what else?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 01:24:46 PM
Still don't see whats racist about that.  Just because it mentions black face in a published story, doesn't mean you are supporting blackface,...what else?

There’s more in that thread. I don’t have the time to look it up.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 01:29:36 PM
A gift from Trump. He wants to totally eliminate Obamacare.

“Politico Article: Trump hands Democrats a gift with new effort to kill Obamacare

House and Senate Democrats on Tuesday seized on the Justice Department’s endorsement of a federal court ruling to eliminate Obamacare in its entirety, immediately renewing attacks on the GOP for trying to gut the law’s popular protections and rip health coverage from more than 20 million Americans.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/26/democrats-doj-obamacare-1237367

My comment: Nancy does it again. How about the small guy? This will effect around only 20 million Americans...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 01:32:13 PM
What was the #1 issue during the midterms? Healthcare
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 26, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
Let’s face it. News flash. Not that many people like you on TI. Take a hike!

Please keep it peaceful, we all have the right to be here.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 26, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
Let’s face it. News flash. Not that many people like you on TI. Take a hike!

Please keep it peaceful, we all have the right to be here.

Yes, you do. But if people make racist statements. Then they don’t.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 26, 2019, 07:12:15 PM
What was the #1 issue during the midterms? Healthcare

You got that right

And the GOP just gifted this issue on a platter to democrats again right on cue for 2020

Like our forum brethren here the Republicans can’t seem to learn from their mistakes

Nonetheless , Republicans Will be clinging on to some semblance of power past 2020 via non-democratic bodies like the senate and Supreme Court . 

Democracy and voting rights is the real enemy for Republicans as their support base continues shrinking to the rural areas of the country that are thinly populated
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 27, 2019, 07:40:39 AM
Let’s face it. News flash. Not that many people like you on TI. Take a hike!

Please keep it peaceful, we all have the right to be here.

Yes, you do. But if people make racist statements. Then they don’t.

I would agree but it seems like you are the only one who is making this claim. While other members may not agree with morekaos' opinions, I don't recall seeing them accusing him of being racist.

I feel you are using a sensationalist hot button word to paint an unfair picture of a member without hard evidence. But if any other members feel the same as eyephone, please chime in.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 27, 2019, 08:33:15 AM
Let’s face it. News flash. Not that many people like you on TI. Take a hike!

Please keep it peaceful, we all have the right to be here.

Yes, you do. But if people make racist statements. Then they don’t.

I would agree but it seems like you are the only one who is making this claim. While other members may not agree with morekaos' opinions, I don't recall seeing them accusing him of being racist.

I feel you are using a sensationalist hot button word to paint an unfair picture of a member without hard evidence. But if any other members feel the same as eyephone, please chime in.

I don’t need other people to tell me what’s offensive or not. It’s not only that topic there are more. Then he says he doesn’t write the articles. But he reposts the articles.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 27, 2019, 08:38:36 AM
Hey, this investigation thread has become an investigation of me!  I'm fine with that. I am comfortable in my old purple skin.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 27, 2019, 11:20:18 AM
calling someone a racist without any evidence?  where have i heard that one before?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 27, 2019, 11:22:05 AM
calling someone a racist without any evidence?  where have i heard that one before?

Just go to the snow flake tab. Do you really want me to do an analysis and do a break down. Since you asked for it I will.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 27, 2019, 11:25:40 AM
calling someone a racist without any evidence?  where have i heard that one before?

Just go to the snow flake tab. Do you really want me to do an analysis and do a break down. Since you asked for it I will.

yes, please!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 27, 2019, 11:27:35 AM
calling someone a racist without any evidence?  where have i heard that one before?

Just go to the snow flake tab. Do you really want me to do an analysis and do a break down. Since you asked for it I will.

yes, please!

No problem. I won’t dance around like you. You still can’t tell why the investigation was started. (Lies, having too much to drink and talking to a foreign diplomat, firing of Comey)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 27, 2019, 11:38:49 AM
Through my initial review of the snowflake thread. I can’t tell you how many times Morekas has said the word blackface.

I’m still doing my review.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 27, 2019, 12:07:05 PM
Through my initial review of the snowflake thread. I can’t tell you how many times Morekas has said the word blackface.

I’m still doing my review.

what's wrong with saying "blackface" ? was he promoting it or wearing it?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 27, 2019, 12:13:28 PM
Not to be picky but if that is your standard of judging racism I think I wrote it twice...both time in quotes.  Eye, you said it like 10 times...just sayin.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 27, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
Not to be picky but if that is your standard of judging racism I think I wrote it twice...both time in quotes.  Eye, you said it like 10 times...just sayin.

You said it more than that. (Posting many articles regarding that topic) Also, if I said it was to push back on your remarks and postion.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 27, 2019, 12:43:41 PM
No, seriously, do a simple word search in that thread. Said it twice and only in quotes. Never used the term myself.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 27, 2019, 01:17:14 PM
No, seriously, do a simple word search in that thread. Said it twice and only in quotes. Never used the term myself.

I don’t care how many times you didn’t say it. But you quoted the article how many times?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 27, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
That's what i mean Eye. I never said it at all,  quoted it twice, thats it.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 27, 2019, 01:33:38 PM
That's what i mean Eye. I never said it at all,  quoted it twice, thats it.

Doesn’t matter if you didn’t said it. You quoted an article using the term and the message is offensive.

Why don’t you wait until later tonight? I will quantify the number of articles you posted regarding blackface and other topics.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 27, 2019, 02:43:03 PM
hey i said blackface too (without quotes!), where's my racist label?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 27, 2019, 07:46:16 PM
Name one prediction in the last 2 years that these MAGA people , especially in purple font , have made which Came true


Well without exercising too much modesty I am perhaps the first and most vocal predictor of Trumps victory but if you want something sooner I was also the first to emphatically and accurately state that Brett Kavensugh would be seated for this years Supreme Court session when few thought he would even make it. Are we keeping score now?

This has now officially spun onto nutbag land.  I will now proclaim that Kavenaugh will be voted on Friday, go to the full house and be sitting on the Court for this session.  This whole thing will backfire on the Dems.

Before he even said a word.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 27, 2019, 09:57:08 PM
Here’s another one. Not me but I did say this elsewhere.

There’s no complaining in that thread about Russians. 99% of the complaints are likely related to Trump’s despicable daily behavior regarding the investigation.

because it's a hoax, began under false pretenses and undermining to your duly elected president
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 28, 2019, 06:37:03 AM
Because there is nothing to say.  This will go the way of Bush tape, Omerosa who?, Stormey who?, Russia, Russia, Russia, Trump Tower meeting BS, and every other gotcha moment sold as some kill shot that never leads to squat. 

https://youtu.be/MvyBrX1eK4I

https://youtu.be/MvyBrX1eK4I (https://youtu.be/MvyBrX1eK4I)

oooh i like this game.

what ever happened to omarosa? haven't heard from our fav porn star lately either?  trump tower meeting? hmmmm?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 28, 2019, 07:53:13 AM
Much like the gun control thread...lots of blah blah blah... nothing will happen

How do you know before the investigation is over?
This is coming from the guy that said they will find nothing or nothing will come out. (I can tell you this, a shit load is coming out. Lol)

Yah, this is kinda fun..I really didn't look to far but I could find a bunch more.  Kinda like a treasure hunt.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on March 28, 2019, 08:32:29 AM
Name one prediction in the last 2 years that these MAGA people , especially in purple font , have made which Came true


Well without exercising too much modesty I am perhaps the first and most vocal predictor of Trumps victory but if you want something sooner I was also the first to emphatically and accurately state that Brett Kavensugh would be seated for this years Supreme Court session when few thought he would even make it. Are we keeping score now?

This has now officially spun onto nutbag land.  I will now proclaim that Kavenaugh will be voted on Friday, go to the full house and be sitting on the Court for this session.  This whole thing will backfire on the Dems.

Before he even said a word.

2016 is 3 years ago , but we will let it fly ...

Regarding cavanugh if you read posts during that timeframe everyone generally agreed that math was on GOP side and he would be confirrmed , didn’t really take a prediction to state an eventuality.  “I predict the sun will rise tomorrow morning “ - where is the fun in that :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 28, 2019, 08:35:00 AM
Much like the gun control thread...lots of blah blah blah... nothing will happen

How do you know before the investigation is over?
This is coming from the guy that said they will find nothing or nothing will come out. (I can tell you this, a shit load is coming out. Lol)

Yah, this is kinda fun..I really didn't look to far but I could find a bunch more.  Kinda like a treasure hunt.

Then why won’t they release the report?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on March 28, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
Much like the gun control thread...lots of blah blah blah... nothing will happen

How do you know before the investigation is over?
This is coming from the guy that said they will find nothing or nothing will come out. (I can tell you this, a shit load is coming out. Lol)

Yah, this is kinda fun..I really didn't look to far but I could find a bunch more.  Kinda like a treasure hunt.

Since you mentioned you had 30-40 plus years of being registered with Finra. I think you should go find a hobby and enjoy retirement or something.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 28, 2019, 08:39:58 AM
Name one prediction in the last 2 years that these MAGA people , especially in purple font , have made which Came true


Well without exercising too much modesty I am perhaps the first and most vocal predictor of Trumps victory but if you want something sooner I was also the first to emphatically and accurately state that Brett Kavensugh would be seated for this years Supreme Court session when few thought he would even make it. Are we keeping score now?

This has now officially spun onto nutbag land.  I will now proclaim that Kavenaugh will be voted on Friday, go to the full house and be sitting on the Court for this session.  This whole thing will backfire on the Dems.

Before he even said a word.

2016 is 3 years ago , but we will let it fly ...

Regarding cavanugh if you read posts during that timeframe everyone generally agreed that math was on GOP side and he would be confirrmed , didn’t really take a prediction to state an eventuality.  “I predict the sun will rise tomorrow morning “ - where is the fun in that :)

Yah, I figured you'd say that, but if you look back at this guys comments you'll see he had it all figured out already. That sun never rose.

Everyone have excuses ready for when kavanaugh withdraws ?

That they already saw it coming ?  And hence maga geniuses

And so much #winning ?

“This is a disaster for the Republicans.” Chris Wallace on Fox News just now.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on March 28, 2019, 09:23:52 AM
Just under the two year mark but I'll take it.

I like Target at $55.  11PE. 4.3% dividend. Whats not to like?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on March 28, 2019, 10:42:14 AM
Name one prediction in the last 2 years that these MAGA people , especially in purple font , have made which Came true


Well without exercising too much modesty I am perhaps the first and most vocal predictor of Trumps victory but if you want something sooner I was also the first to emphatically and accurately state that Brett Kavensugh would be seated for this years Supreme Court session when few thought he would even make it. Are we keeping score now?

This has now officially spun onto nutbag land.  I will now proclaim that Kavenaugh will be voted on Friday, go to the full house and be sitting on the Court for this session.  This whole thing will backfire on the Dems.

Before he even said a word.

2016 is 3 years ago , but we will let it fly ...

Regarding cavanugh if you read posts during that timeframe everyone generally agreed that math was on GOP side and he would be confirrmed , didn’t really take a prediction to state an eventuality.  “I predict the sun will rise tomorrow morning “ - where is the fun in that :)

Yah, I figured you'd say that, but if you look back at this guys comments you'll see he had it all figured out already. That sun never rose.

Everyone have excuses ready for when kavanaugh withdraws ?

That they already saw it coming ?  And hence maga geniuses

And so much #winning ?

“This is a disaster for the Republicans.” Chris Wallace on Fox News just now.

✓ lamenting about "maga geniuses"
✓ crying bout #winning
✓ pot shots at fox news
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 03, 2019, 09:15:27 AM
No, seriously, do a simple word search in that thread. Said it twice and only in quotes. Never used the term myself.

Analysis of the snowflake thread shows that Morekas used the following topics:
1. black people or blackface 10 times
2. Hispanic 1 time
2. Homophobic 1 time

The snowflake thread can be found at the link below.
https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,16760.0.html

What do you conclude? Was it by accident that many articles that Morekas posted about black people/issues?

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 03, 2019, 09:51:14 AM
That’s my dossier?  This one is just as disappointing.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 03, 2019, 10:10:58 AM
That’s my dossier?  This one is just as disappointing.

One might ask. Do you have a problem with black people? Would a reasonable person continuously make posts about a certain race? (Is it normal behavior?)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 03, 2019, 11:03:30 AM
That’s my dossier?  This one is just as disappointing.

One might ask. Do you have a problem with black people? No Would a reasonable person continuously make posts about a certain race? Yes (Is it normal behavior?) Yes
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 04, 2019, 09:26:18 AM
More “if true, then...” from third party, anonymous (made up), associate sources. What a desperate joke...let it go.

Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed

Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.


However, the special counsel’s office never asked Mr. Barr to release the summaries soon after he received the report, a person familiar with the investigation said. And the Justice Department quickly determined that the summaries contain sensitive information, like classified material, secret grand-jury testimony and information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential, according to two government officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/politics/william-barr-mueller-report.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/politics/william-barr-mueller-report.html)

https://youtu.be/OnkQk_bWXpA

https://youtu.be/OnkQk_bWXpA (https://youtu.be/OnkQk_bWXpA)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 11, 2019, 10:49:06 AM
Well, well...the shoe seems to be on the other foot, and it looks like it fits.

William Barr Is the Democrats' Worst Nightmare

Though they were excruciatingly obnoxious to William Barr at Tuesday's House Appropriations subcommittee hearing, Democrats would be well-advised to lay off the attorney general, maybe even treat him with kid gloves, because he holds a good deal of the future of their party in his hands. In fact, he is positioned to make that party bleed as perhaps no one in history. And it only makes it worse that he is clearly such a straight shooter.

The big story from Barr's testimony then before the subcommittee was not that the AG plans to release a redacted version of the Mueller report within a week or even that those redactions will be color-coded four ways and annotated to explain the reasons for the edits. Or that Democrats like Nita Lowey whined about transparency with all the hypocrisy only a politician can muster. This is all pro forma and predictable.

The big story was the affirmative answer he gave to a question about whether he was planning to investigate the provenance of the Russia probe itself. That would, of course, include the FISA court scandal and the Steele dossier, not to mention strange--let's call them spooky-- occurrences in the UK well before the election. Barr noted he also would look at the eight criminal referrals of DOJ personnel and others coming from Devin Nunes. He further noted we could expect the inspector general's report on these matters in May or June. He was filled with such news, much of it spontaneously given. Perhaps even John Huber will surface.

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/william-barr-is-the-democrats-worst-nightmare/ (https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/william-barr-is-the-democrats-worst-nightmare/)

https://youtu.be/ayJrgaVz-Xs

https://youtu.be/ayJrgaVz-Xs (https://youtu.be/ayJrgaVz-Xs)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 11, 2019, 12:33:04 PM
Tank buster!

Mueller probe finally snares White House aide as former Obama counsel Greg Craig is indicted for hiding Ukraine lobbying

Former Obama administration White House counsel Greg Craig was charged Thursday in a foreign lobbying investigation that stemmed from special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe.

'Mr. Craig is not guilty of any charge and the government's stubborn insistence on prosecuting Mr. Craig is a misguided abuse of prosecutorial discretion,' Craig's attorneys, William Taylor and William Murphy, said in a statement Wednesday.

The investigation into Craig comes as the Justice Department is cracking down on unregistered foreign lobbying and consulting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6909957/Lawyers-Ex-Obama-White-House-counsel-Craig-expects-charges.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6909957/Lawyers-Ex-Obama-White-House-counsel-Craig-expects-charges.html)

https://youtu.be/hOydrC8rsoE

https://youtu.be/hOydrC8rsoE (https://youtu.be/hOydrC8rsoE)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 17, 2019, 12:25:22 PM
Tomorrow is going to be as much fun as the Kavenaugh hearings. The spin machines will be set to tornado!

https://youtu.be/iUAtoGaqnIo

https://youtu.be/iUAtoGaqnIo (https://youtu.be/iUAtoGaqnIo)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 08:45:55 AM
Now, let the real investigations begin...

"Revenge is a dish best served cold."
Old Klingon proverb

https://youtu.be/5vwHLMs04XA

https://youtu.be/5vwHLMs04XA (https://youtu.be/5vwHLMs04XA)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 08:47:44 AM
What are you taking about?

Now, let the real investigations begin...

"Revenge is a dish best served cold."
Old Klingon proverb

https://youtu.be/5vwHLMs04XA

https://youtu.be/5vwHLMs04XA (https://youtu.be/5vwHLMs04XA)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 08:48:34 AM
Did you even look at the summary of the report?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 08:52:04 AM
The investigation into the investigation will now begin...heads will roll.

William Barr is right to investigate FBI actions during 2016 campaign

FBI actions throughout the 2016 campaign raised questions from analysts on both sides of the political aisle. Its reluctance to divulge concerns with the Trump campaign, its unwillingness to share information gathered with Congress, and its outright failure to disclose to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that the dossier it was using to request a warrant was funded by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee were certainly out of protocol for standard FBI operating procedures.

The Justice Department should look into the FBI, Comey in his role as director, and the rest of the intelligence community to ensure that unauthorized surveillance never happens again. To be clear, I am not accusing Comey of malpractice, but considering FBI actions taken over the past three years, there are residual questions that need answering.

The attorney general has a right to find out whether the investigation into the 2016 campaign was appropriate, what factors led to it, and whether or not intelligence officials were correct in launching their investigation. This investigation into the intelligence community and the FBI is not payback, as some Democrats have suggested. This is good government at work.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/438800-william-barr-is-right-to-investigate-fbi-actions-during-2016-campaign (https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/438800-william-barr-is-right-to-investigate-fbi-actions-during-2016-campaign)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 08:53:58 AM
You have like no credibility on TI.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 08:57:37 AM
You think i care?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
You think i care?

Definition of a troll.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 09:05:12 AM
#winning
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 09:10:55 AM
Maybe you should care and stop wasting server space.
It’s one thing if you have a point of view that maybe different from other. But it’s another thing that you are purposely lieing/not telling the truth. (Your admission that you don’t care. That’s a problem and maybe TI should have a volunteer admin like Reddit.)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 09:14:13 AM
C'mon, this is a great day for all Americans. A sitting president has been cleared of being a Soviet spy.  Shouldn't we all have a kumbaya moment together?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 09:17:45 AM
C'mon, this is a great day for all Americans. A sitting president has been cleared of being a Soviet spy.  Shouldn't we all have a kumbaya moment together?

That’s your opinion. I’m waiting for the next lie to come out.
It’s like chess waiting for the next move. But it’s really obvious that you are playing checkers.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 09:24:09 AM
Not just my opinion but Robert Mueller's.  Add to my dossier and prey tell, where have I lied?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 09:36:05 AM
Not just my opinion but Robert Mueller's.  Add to my dossier and prey tell, where have I lied?

If you did lie or purposely made a false statement. Would you leave TI?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 09:45:32 AM
No, but I would like to know what I am accused of.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 09:48:17 AM
No, but I would like to know what I am accused of.

Read your posts and you will find out.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 09:50:12 AM
I'm too blinded by my ego and hubris, please point them out for me.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 09:52:05 AM
I'm too blinded by my ego and hubris, please point them out for me.

Don’t try to turn the conversation around.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 10:07:05 AM
If you're gonna make unsubstantiated accusations then don't say anything.. otherwise "I gots to know."

https://youtu.be/ETN9eNOA6vw

https://youtu.be/ETN9eNOA6vw (https://youtu.be/ETN9eNOA6vw)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 10:13:44 AM
Don’t worry I will post it. I will expose you like your incencitve racial posts. Try getting your point across without putting other people down.

If you're gonna make unsubstantiated accusations then don't say anything.. otherwise "I gots to know."

https://youtu.be/ETN9eNOA6vw

https://youtu.be/ETN9eNOA6vw (https://youtu.be/ETN9eNOA6vw)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 10:20:26 AM
Yah, that worked out. Listen Eye, if my posts so offend you I have a wonderful solution...block me.  I can tell you for fact I know a few members who have blocked you.  You ever wonder why some members don't respond when you ask them specific questions?  They don't see your posts...just do the same to me, I wont be offended.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 18, 2019, 10:49:10 AM
no collusion, no obstruction, thanks for playing!!!

#trump2020

(https://i.imgur.com/j8LD0sQ.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 18, 2019, 11:56:03 AM
I think there was some collusion... there's always some covert agreement in everything... politics, business, crime... etc.

(in Russian accent): So I know this hacker group...
(in orange tan accent): Huuuuugge!

:)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 18, 2019, 12:59:53 PM
I don't even know why I am bothering but the Mueller report is pretty damning IMO but because of the lack of firm conclusions, everyone can take what they want from it.

Trump was saved by 1) his own staff incompetency in trying to collude and 2) people refusing to carry out his order to obstruct.

There was no way that Mueller would recommend a criminal charge without speaking/questioning Trump because there is no other way to get to intent.  Trump would have fought it for years and then plead the 5th. 

For a guy that has the best memory in the world, Trump answered that he didn't remember 36 times as to specific details in writing.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-said-he-couldnt-remember-36-times-in-response-to-special-counsel-robert-muellers-questions-2019-04-18
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 01:00:30 PM
Nothing will happen to Trump...no collusion

Told ya!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 18, 2019, 01:08:38 PM
Nothing will happen to Trump...no collusion

Told ya!

Whether something will happen to Trump is still to be determined.

There was definitely collusion...Trump's campaign was just too stupid to do it right. 

Quote
By late December 2015, however, Cohen was complaining that Sater had not been able to use those connections to set up the promised meeting with Russian government officials. Cohen told Sater that he was “setting up the meeting myself. “ On January 11, 2016, Cohen emailed the office of Dmitry Peskov, the Russian government’s press secretary, indicating that he desired contact with Sergei Ivanov, Putin’s chief of staff. Cohen erroneously used the email address “Pr_peskova@prpress.gof.ru” instead of “Pr _peskova@prpress.gov .ru,” so the email apparently did not go through.

https://splinternews.com/the-juiciest-bits-from-the-mueller-report-updating-1834141977
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 18, 2019, 02:35:41 PM
"no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case"

sound familiar?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 18, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
"no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case"

sound familiar?  ;D ;D ;D

Yes because it is next to impossible to prove intent.

I'm glad that you are happy that the President was not a direct Russian agent but ignoring the rest of the report.   But hey...make rich people richer!

I would also ask the conservatives on this thread, how would you feel if this was Obama or Hillary rather than Trump?  I know as a Dem, I would be embarrassed and saddened, not celebratory and jubilant. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 18, 2019, 02:57:06 PM
I mean..this paragraph alone is incredible damning:

Quote
Instead, the Mueller report makes clear, Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful" — but only "largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-trump-failed-obstruct-because-his-aides-refused-carry-out-n996071

Basically, Trump is not being charged because the people under him were not willing to commit crimes for him.

We also have numerous examples of the administration lying to the public and that the President claims that he couldn't remember anything, rather than straight out denials.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 18, 2019, 03:06:51 PM
"no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case"

sound familiar?  ;D ;D ;D

Yes because it is next to impossible to prove intent.

I'm glad that you are happy that the President was not a direct Russian agent but ignoring the rest of the report.   But hey...make rich people richer!

I would also ask the conservatives on this thread, how would you feel if this was Obama or Hillary rather than Trump?  I know as a Dem, I would be embarrassed and saddened, not celebratory and jubilant.

let me explain why we are celebratory and jubilant - the entire media and democratic establishment has been pushing lies and slander for over 2 years, with the intent to damage an innocent man who completed the greatest upset in political history.  it's the ultimate underdog story, where against all odds, trump won.  the people will see through this farce that the media perpetuated for the past 2 years and it will push independents further and further into trump's camp.

now, if the obama doj is found to have started this whole thing as a political tool to defeat trump, would you feel embarrassed and saddened?  we shall find out with the oig report next month!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 18, 2019, 03:07:50 PM
I mean..this paragraph alone is incredible damning:

Quote
Instead, the Mueller report makes clear, Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful" — but only "largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-trump-failed-obstruct-because-his-aides-refused-carry-out-n996071

Basically, Trump is not being charged because the people under him were not willing to commit crimes for him.

We also have numerous examples of the administration lying to the public and that the President claims that he couldn't remember anything, rather than straight out denials.

"a crime was almost committed but it wasn't"

take him away boys!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 18, 2019, 03:08:06 PM
"no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case"

sound familiar?  ;D ;D ;D

Yes because it is next to impossible to prove intent.

I'm glad that you are happy that the President was not a direct Russian agent but ignoring the rest of the report.   But hey...make rich people richer!

I would also ask the conservatives on this thread, how would you feel if this was Obama or Hillary rather than Trump?  I know as a Dem, I would be embarrassed and saddened, not celebratory and jubilant.

let me explain why we are celebratory and jubilant - the entire media and democratic establishment has been pushing lies and slander for over 2 years, with the intent to damage an innocent man who completed the greatest upset in political history.  it's the ultimate underdog story, where against all odds, trump won.  the people will see through this farce that the media perpetuated for the past 2 years and it will push independents further and further into trump's camp.

now, if the obama doj is found to have started this whole thing as a political tool to defeat trump, would you feel embarrassed and saddened?  we shall find out with the oig report next month!

LOL...if that's what you got out of the report...I honestly feel sorry for you.  Person over country.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 18, 2019, 03:08:54 PM
I mean..this paragraph alone is incredible damning:

Quote
Instead, the Mueller report makes clear, Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful" — but only "largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-trump-failed-obstruct-because-his-aides-refused-carry-out-n996071

Basically, Trump is not being charged because the people under him were not willing to commit crimes for him.

We also have numerous examples of the administration lying to the public and that the President claims that he couldn't remember anything, rather than straight out denials.

"a crime was almost committed but it wasn't"

take him away boys!

Yeah...you are cheering for an individual who was trying to obstruct justice but just failed at doing it.  What a proclamation of innocence and competency.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 18, 2019, 03:16:50 PM
"no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case"

sound familiar?  ;D ;D ;D

Yes because it is next to impossible to prove intent.

I'm glad that you are happy that the President was not a direct Russian agent but ignoring the rest of the report.   But hey...make rich people richer!

I would also ask the conservatives on this thread, how would you feel if this was Obama or Hillary rather than Trump?  I know as a Dem, I would be embarrassed and saddened, not celebratory and jubilant.

let me explain why we are celebratory and jubilant - the entire media and democratic establishment has been pushing lies and slander for over 2 years, with the intent to damage an innocent man who completed the greatest upset in political history.  it's the ultimate underdog story, where against all odds, trump won.  the people will see through this farce that the media perpetuated for the past 2 years and it will push independents further and further into trump's camp.

now, if the obama doj is found to have started this whole thing as a political tool to defeat trump, would you feel embarrassed and saddened?  we shall find out with the oig report next month!

LOL...if that's what you got out of the report...I honestly feel sorry for you.  Person over country.

feel sorry all you want, the country is doing great and so am i  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 18, 2019, 03:18:01 PM
I mean..this paragraph alone is incredible damning:

Quote
Instead, the Mueller report makes clear, Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful" — but only "largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-trump-failed-obstruct-because-his-aides-refused-carry-out-n996071

Basically, Trump is not being charged because the people under him were not willing to commit crimes for him.

We also have numerous examples of the administration lying to the public and that the President claims that he couldn't remember anything, rather than straight out denials.

"a crime was almost committed but it wasn't"

take him away boys!

Yeah...you are cheering for an individual who was trying to obstruct justice but just failed at doing it.  What a proclamation of innocence and competency.

obstruct justice, yet he complied with every step of the investigation...which was based on collusion that never happened....wowza!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 18, 2019, 03:20:23 PM
I mean..this paragraph alone is incredible damning:

Quote
Instead, the Mueller report makes clear, Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful" — but only "largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-trump-failed-obstruct-because-his-aides-refused-carry-out-n996071

Basically, Trump is not being charged because the people under him were not willing to commit crimes for him.

We also have numerous examples of the administration lying to the public and that the President claims that he couldn't remember anything, rather than straight out denials.

"a crime was almost committed but it wasn't"

take him away boys!

Yeah...you are cheering for an individual who was trying to obstruct justice but just failed at doing it.  What a proclamation of innocence and competency.

obstruct justice, yet he complied with every step of the investigation...which was based on collusion that never happened....wowza!

He didn't!  He told people to do things and they refused.  Had they done those things, it would have been obstruction of justice.

He also refused to be interviewed by Mueller and then provide a bunch of nonsensical written responses. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 18, 2019, 03:41:19 PM
Pretty straightforward now after what’s come out despite redacted parts ...

1. Russia interfered
2. They did it to help Trump
3. Trump wanted their help
4. Trump's campaign met with the Russians to seek out that help
5. Trump and his campaign repeatedly lied about those contacts
6. Trump fired the FBI Director to stop an investigation into the matter
7. Trump appointed Barr to help cover it up
8. Trump's attorneys have prepared a 35 page counter to Mueller's report which exonerates Trump. Who counters a report that exonerates them?

If I took 3 friends into a bank to rob it but once I got there I was the only one holding out a gun (my friends bailed), I still tried to rob a bank. Same thing with Trump. He directed his staff to obstruct but they didn’t follow his orders. His intent was clear.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 06:02:10 PM
Pretty straight forward now after what’s come out.... nothing will happen to Trump...again.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 18, 2019, 06:06:10 PM
I will just leave this as my last comment in this thread:

Quote
Sioux Center, Iowa (CNN)Donald Trump boasted Saturday that support for his presidential campaign would not decline even if he shot someone in the middle of a crowded street.

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said at a campaign rally here.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/index.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 18, 2019, 08:40:29 PM
Pretty straightforward now after what’s come out despite redacted parts ...

1. Russia interfered
2. They did it to help Trump
3. Trump wanted their help
4. Trump's campaign met with the Russians to seek out that help
5. Trump and his campaign repeatedly lied about those contacts
6. Trump fired the FBI Director to stop an investigation into the matter
7. Trump appointed Barr to help cover it up
8. Trump's attorneys have prepared a 35 page counter to Mueller's report which exonerates Trump. Who counters a report that exonerates them?

If I took 3 friends into a bank to rob it but once I got there I was the only one holding out a gun (my friends bailed), I still tried to rob a bank. Same thing with Trump. He directed his staff to obstruct but they didn’t follow his orders. His intent was clear.

Nice post. But you forgot one thing. (Wink)

Donald Trump on Mueller’s appointment: ‘This is the end of my presidency. I’m f----d’

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/donald-trump-on-muellers-appointment-this-is-the-end-of-my-presidency-im-f-----d.html
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 18, 2019, 09:34:57 PM
Pretty straightforward now after what’s come out despite redacted parts ...

1. Russia interfered
2. They did it to help Trump
3. Trump wanted their help
4. Trump's campaign met with the Russians to seek out that help
5. Trump and his campaign repeatedly lied about those contacts
6. Trump fired the FBI Director to stop an investigation into the matter
7. Trump appointed Barr to help cover it up
8. Trump's attorneys have prepared a 35 page counter to Mueller's report which exonerates Trump. Who counters a report that exonerates them?

If I took 3 friends into a bank to rob it but once I got there I was the only one holding out a gun (my friends bailed), I still tried to rob a bank. Same thing with Trump. He directed his staff to obstruct but they didn’t follow his orders. His intent was clear.

Nice post. But you forgot one thing. (Wink)

Donald Trump on Mueller’s appointment: ‘This is the end of my presidency. I’m f----d’

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/donald-trump-on-muellers-appointment-this-is-the-end-of-my-presidency-im-f-----d.html

And lo and behold —-

within hours of complaining that Obama should've stopped RU, he's back to calling it all a hoax again.

There's no rhyme or reason to the lies anymore. Obama spied on me.  Obama should've done more. Actually, it's all a hoax again.

It’s must be getting hard for his cult members to continue keeping track of what is actually saying ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 18, 2019, 11:34:18 PM
The show must go on!!

Can't wait for the Orange man to be in orange jumpsuits!  Then it will be a show!

Trump kids should be up next.

Yah Billy Bush we got Trump
Yah Stormy Daniels we got Trump
Yah Paul Manafort we got Trump
Yah George Papadopolous we got Trump
Yah Michael Wolf we got Trump
Yah Omerosa we got Trump
Yah Bob Woodward we got Trump
Yah Roger Stone....oh you get the idea...the show goes on and on but look who’s still standing!


You confuse no with not yet.

No confusion here. Saw it clearly two years ago when I said nothing would happen to Trump.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 19, 2019, 06:18:33 AM
fact of the matter is the longer the left continues to clutch their pearls about muh russia and obstruction, the more out of touch they look to the american people.  if you thought the tax cuts were "invisible" then continuing to whine about "damning evidence" and "bombshells" will ring on more and more deaf ears because nothing will happen to your great president, who has been completely exonerated by our friend mueller.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 19, 2019, 06:44:39 AM
fact of the matter is the longer the left continues to clutch their pearls about muh russia and obstruction, the more out of touch they look to the american people.  if you thought the tax cuts were "invisible" then continuing to whine about "damning evidence" and "bombshells" will ring on more and more deaf ears because nothing will happen to your great president, who has been completely exonerated by our friend mueller.

Wishful thinking

Don’t live in a 2016 bubble - come back to reality

3 weeks ago — This 2 bit hack William Barr created the most positive news cycle for trump after his so called “summary “ of the mueller report  .  People such yourself were as giddy as high school nerds who got the cheerleader to say yes to go to the prom

And what happened to his disapproval ratings ? They remained in the mid 50s ! Shows you how the 2020 table is set like concrete and will come down to who can excite their  side more and turn off the independents less.

Did the scary caravan work in November 2018 ?  Huh . Well, maybe screaming socialism till you are hoarse will do thre trick !

I know you don’t have an answer to this . So just paste a gif as usual or a bunch of smiley faces to pretend you didn’t get stung by this logic , ok  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on April 19, 2019, 07:50:18 AM
Today's talking head spin was 'Barr didn't talk about the ground rules Mueller followed.  Mueller said if the President was "guilty as sin", I wouldn't tell you.  If the President was completely innocent, we would state so.'

Just wow.  I don't know which is worse, if that is complete bullshit or if it's actually true.  The question isn't if Trump is dirty, the question was is he dirty to the point of a provable crime. 

JIMHO, if they think Mueller was operating under that, he did the wrong job.


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 19, 2019, 08:46:21 AM
Today's talking head spin was 'Barr didn't talk about the ground rules Mueller followed.  Mueller said if the President was "guilty as sin", I wouldn't tell you.  If the President was completely innocent, we would state so.'

Just wow.  I don't know which is worse, if that is complete bullshit or if it's actually true.  The question isn't if Trump is dirty, the question was is he dirty to the point of a provable crime. 

JIMHO, if they think Mueller was operating under that, he did the wrong job.

Is Billy Barr Trump’s personal deffense attorney? It sure seems like it? Barr’s summary is kinda different from the report.

The Attorney General suppose to be impartial.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 19, 2019, 09:02:48 AM
LMAO

Washington Post — “The White House on Thursday held a call with top surrogates like Diamond and Silk, seeking to get them to defend Trump and attack the media.

One surrogate’s suggestion: Charge Hillary Clinton with a crime”
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 19, 2019, 09:04:38 AM
LMAO

Washington Post — “The White House on Thursday held a call with top surrogates like Diamond and Silk, seeking to get them to defend Trump and attack the media.

One surrogate’s suggestion: Charge Hillary Clinton with a crime”

We're like six months away from Fox interns turning down comms jobs in the WH ....
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 19, 2019, 10:42:37 AM
fact of the matter is the longer the left continues to clutch their pearls about muh russia and obstruction, the more out of touch they look to the american people.  if you thought the tax cuts were "invisible" then continuing to whine about "damning evidence" and "bombshells" will ring on more and more deaf ears because nothing will happen to your great president, who has been completely exonerated by our friend mueller.

Wishful thinking

Don’t live in a 2016 bubble - come back to reality

3 weeks ago — This 2 bit hack William Barr created the most positive news cycle for trump after his so called “summary “ of the mueller report  .  People such yourself were as giddy as high school nerds who got the cheerleader to say yes to go to the prom

And what happened to his disapproval ratings ? They remained in the mid 50s ! Shows you how the 2020 table is set like concrete and will come down to who can excite their  side more and turn off the independents less.

Did the scary caravan work in November 2018 ?  Huh . Well, maybe screaming socialism till you are hoarse will do thre trick !

I know you don’t have an answer to this . So just paste a gif as usual or a bunch of smiley faces to pretend you didn’t get stung by this logic , ok  :)

lol wonderful logic, did you come up with all this yourself this time?  i know you're a little light headed since you've been holding your breath for the past 2 years while mueller writes his dud of a report, but it's okay i will break it down for you in words you can understand  :)

despite the media calling for trump's head every day for 2 years, trump still advanced his agenda, passed historic tax cuts, appointed two supreme court judges and countless other judges, is building the wall, and pushed markets to historic levels with record low unemployment. do you remember all the winning? still tired?

your 2020 cast of socialists will eat each other alive and trump will pick apart the victor like he did to 17 other republican candidates.  now that mueller is out of the picture, "impeachment, impeachment, impeachment" will be the last dying breaths of a party that has no real accomplishments to run on for 2020.

come back when you have something stronger because trump is still your president and will be for the next 6 years  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 19, 2019, 11:00:43 AM
Using your methodology. So after the midterms I didn’t hear from you say losing.

So are you saying winning due to Barr’s summary report or the actual report? lol.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 19, 2019, 11:04:24 AM
So why did Robert Rosenthal recommended to fire Comey?
Didn’t Barr just do the same thing?
(Just a question. Any thoughts or comments?)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 19, 2019, 11:15:44 AM
So why did Robert Rosenthal recommended to fire Comey?
Didn’t Barr just do the same thing?
(Just a question. Any thoughts or comments?)

Note I found this in the web. (Public information)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767


“Memorandum for the Attorney General
FROM: Rod J Rosenstein
SUBJECT: Restoring public confidence in the FBI

The current FBI Director is an articulate and persuasive speaker about leadership and the immutable principles of the Department of Justice. He deserves our appreciation for his public service. As you and I have discussed, however, I cannot defend the Director's handling of the conclusion of the investigation of Secretary Clinton's emails, and I do not understand his refusal to accept the nearly universal judgment that he was mistaken. Almost everyone agrees that the Director made serious mistakes; it is one of the few issues that unites people of diverse perspectives.

The director was wrong to usurp the Attorney General's authority on July 5, 2016, and announce his conclusion that the case should be closed without prosecution. It is not the function of the Director to make such an announcement. At most, the Director should have said the FBI had completed its investigation and presented its findings to federal prosecutors.”

My comment: Not the entire memo, but click the link for fun reading or maybe not. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 19, 2019, 02:04:28 PM
Using your methodology. So after the midterms I didn’t hear from you say losing.

So are you saying winning due to Barr’s summary report or the actual report? lol.

Man, Rather than ramble on about tax cuts and judges ... he should really learn from Trump himself who was quoted in the mueller report as saying “I am f .. ed “  : )
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 19, 2019, 02:41:13 PM
Devil's advocate:

Was Trump complaining about Mueller because he was guilty or because this type of thing usually isn't good for any presidency?

Quote
Trump told Sessions that he had heard that a special counsel ruins presidencies, and that the investigation could take “years and years and I won’t be able to do anything,” the report says.

I think there is a little context missing here.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 21, 2019, 11:31:20 AM
Pretty straight forward now after what’s come out.... nothing will happen to Trump...again.

Are you reading the summary or the actual report? I would expect my defense attorney (ag) to say something in my denfense. Lol come on
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 21, 2019, 05:12:03 PM
Pretty straight forward now after what’s come out.... nothing will happen to Trump...again.

Are you reading the summary or the actual report? I would expect my defense attorney (ag) to say something in my denfense. Lol come on

Doesn’t matter to partisans that are blind w hatred of democrats and narrow minded in terms of making an extra buck or two and winning the Supreme Court pissing contest.

 Now the new normal is for Giuliani to applaud a Russian attack and encourage them to do it again as he did this weekend .

And nearly the entire maga universe is ok w that . And the irony is these are the same idiots waving the America flag and eagle in your face and howling over athletes kneeling.  We truly live in a bizzaro America now !
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 21, 2019, 06:20:36 PM
America is great again!! Happy Easter!!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 21, 2019, 07:04:42 PM
America is great again!! Happy Easter!!

He won’t answer the question and changes the subject.
(question if he was referring to the summary memo or the actual report?)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 22, 2019, 12:12:20 PM
poor nadler doesn't understand what his role in congress is...tsk tsk

Quote
Doug Collins accuses Jerry Nadler of 'wildly inaccurate' Mueller report claims

The ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee on Monday blasted Chairman Jerrold Nadler, accusing the Democrat of making “wildly inaccurate claims” about the Mueller report.

In recent media appearances, Mr. Nadler, New York Democrat, has claimed special counsel Robert Mueller “made it very clear” he wants Congress to reach a determination on whether President Trump obstructed justice.

But Rep. Doug Collins, Georgia Republican, says that just isn’t true.

“[A] plain reading of the report does not at all indicate — let alone make ‘very clear,’ as you claim — the Special Counsel intended for Congress to decide whether President Trump obstructed justice. In fact, it is the exact opposite,” Mr. Collins wrote in a letter to Mr. Nadler.

Mr. Collins wrote that even if Mr. Mueller did make that request of Congress, they could not act upon it because it is “neither a prosecutorial nor judicial body.”

“The absence of any statement asking Congress to serve in a prosecutorial capacity in an obstruction of justice case should not be surprising, because that is not Congress’s role — it is the role of the Justice Department,” Mr. Collins wrote.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/22/doug-collins-accuses-jerry-nadler-wildly-inaccurat/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/22/doug-collins-accuses-jerry-nadler-wildly-inaccurat/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 22, 2019, 09:43:27 PM
America is great again!! Happy Easter!!

He won’t answer the question and changes the subject.
(question if he was referring to the summary memo or the actual report?)



No no, you don’t see that I’m on your side....impeach Trump!! Go green deal and I love AOC!!! For once we agree!!! Go Beto or Pete or whoever you guys love this week. I am behind you, 100%!

Come On Democrats, Impeach Trump!

Listen to the Voices, Democrats. Impeach Trump.

Impeachment is a moral necessity! It was so obvious from the way the Mueller Report says that Trump was innocent of whatever collusion is, and that he cannot be proven guilty of whatever obstruction is, that he’s totally guilty of both! The truth is in there, behind the redactions, in the emanations, lurking under the penumbras. William Barr can’t hide it any longer!

The #Resistoids aren’t crazy. You’re crazy.

So why won’t Nancy Pelosi allow the valiant defenders of goodness and rightness who are the left-of-the-left Democrats to bring articles of impeachment in the House? Cowardice. She’s afraid, afraid of justice. Why do you hate justice so much, Nancy?

You must impeach President Trump today!

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/04/22/come-on-democrats-impeach-trump-n2545109 (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/04/22/come-on-democrats-impeach-trump-n2545109)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 06:43:31 AM
America is great again!! Happy Easter!!

He won’t answer the question and changes the subject.
(question if he was referring to the summary memo or the actual report?)



No no, you don’t see that I’m on your side....impeach Trump!! Go green deal and I love AOC!!! For once we agree!!! Go Beto or Pete or whoever you guys love this week. I am behind you, 100%!

Come On Democrats, Impeach Trump!

Listen to the Voices, Democrats. Impeach Trump.

Impeachment is a moral necessity! It was so obvious from the way the Mueller Report says that Trump was innocent of whatever collusion is, and that he cannot be proven guilty of whatever obstruction is, that he’s totally guilty of both! The truth is in there, behind the redactions, in the emanations, lurking under the penumbras. William Barr can’t hide it any longer!

The #Resistoids aren’t crazy. You’re crazy.

So why won’t Nancy Pelosi allow the valiant defenders of goodness and rightness who are the left-of-the-left Democrats to bring articles of impeachment in the House? Cowardice. She’s afraid, afraid of justice. Why do you hate justice so much, Nancy?

You must impeach President Trump today!

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/04/22/come-on-democrats-impeach-trump-n2545109 (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/04/22/come-on-democrats-impeach-trump-n2545109)

We don’t know what’s going to happen.
No repomse regarding Barr’s summary? Why is the summary different from the report?
You said winning after the summary was released. But now we know it was false. So should you say losing?

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 06:51:26 AM
Let me tell you what will happen...the summary is accurate. Barr and Mueler will back that up in any subsequent testimony or questioning. Please, proceed with impeachment, it’s a desperate blind ally (and Nancy knows it) that will only help the President get re-elected. Smith is infecting the whole field of candidates now.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 06:52:54 AM
Giuliani says there's "nothing wrong with taking information from Russians"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-says-theres-nothing-wrong-with-taking-info-from-russia/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 06:58:04 AM
Let me tell you what will happen...the summary is accurate. Barr and Mueler will back that up in any subsequent testimony or questioning. Please, proceed with impeachment, it’s a desperate blind ally (and Nancy knows it) that will only help the President get re-elected. Smith is infecting the whole field of candidates now.

Another lie by Morekas. It’s not accurate. What a loser! Big time losing! Your losing so much it hurts! Hurts really bad. First the midterms and now this.


Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 07:55:44 AM
See!! Ahab beckons.....

Democrats' Relentless, Fruitless Hunt for the Great Orange Whale

The most important news, of course, is the report’s basic findings. It clearly demonstrates Russia tried to influence the 2016 election and favored Trump, but it kills the assertion that Trump or his campaign cooperated with them. For two years, Democrats and the mainstream media said the opposite about Trump — repeatedly, loudly, insistently. To continue that attack now is ludicrous. That doesn’t mean they will retract, apologize, or return their Pulitzer Prizes. They prefer to change the subject.

Escaping criminal charges is not exactly high praise for a president. Still, the Mueller team’s refusal to indict carries special weight because the prosecution team was stacked with Democratic donors and close allies of Hillary Clinton. That provenance shows throughout the report, which reads like opposition research, equipped with subpoena powers.

After the report was finished, the DoJ made a clear-cut decision on obstruction: no indictment. Democrats immediately slimed Attorney General Bill Barr as a political hack, doing Trump’s bidding. It is important to note, however, that Rod Rosenstein reached the same conclusion. Democrats have spent the last two years defending Rosenstein, the department’s second-ranking official and the man who appointed Mueller and supervised his team. Now, they are stuck with his decision.

The report hands Democrats another harpoon, but it is not a lethal one. The Great Orange Whale still swims free. It is the frenzied sailors — the ones who began this hunt and want to continue it — who now face real peril.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/23/democrats_relentless_fruitless_hunt_for_the_great_orange_whale.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/23/democrats_relentless_fruitless_hunt_for_the_great_orange_whale.html)

https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4

https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4 (https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 23, 2019, 08:16:09 AM
no collusion, no obstruction!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDZm8ZKojEitbqNQSHC6eVRXW6TaNK4TcMVJxZK7AfI85cBet9)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 08:33:13 AM
Uh okay. Relax and enjoy retirement. Because you are not making any sense.

See!! Ahab beckons.....

Democrats' Relentless, Fruitless Hunt for the Great Orange Whale

The most important news, of course, is the report’s basic findings. It clearly demonstrates Russia tried to influence the 2016 election and favored Trump, but it kills the assertion that Trump or his campaign cooperated with them. For two years, Democrats and the mainstream media said the opposite about Trump — repeatedly, loudly, insistently. To continue that attack now is ludicrous. That doesn’t mean they will retract, apologize, or return their Pulitzer Prizes. They prefer to change the subject.

Escaping criminal charges is not exactly high praise for a president. Still, the Mueller team’s refusal to indict carries special weight because the prosecution team was stacked with Democratic donors and close allies of Hillary Clinton. That provenance shows throughout the report, which reads like opposition research, equipped with subpoena powers.

After the report was finished, the DoJ made a clear-cut decision on obstruction: no indictment. Democrats immediately slimed Attorney General Bill Barr as a political hack, doing Trump’s bidding. It is important to note, however, that Rod Rosenstein reached the same conclusion. Democrats have spent the last two years defending Rosenstein, the department’s second-ranking official and the man who appointed Mueller and supervised his team. Now, they are stuck with his decision.

The report hands Democrats another harpoon, but it is not a lethal one. The Great Orange Whale still swims free. It is the frenzied sailors — the ones who began this hunt and want to continue it — who now face real peril.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/23/democrats_relentless_fruitless_hunt_for_the_great_orange_whale.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/23/democrats_relentless_fruitless_hunt_for_the_great_orange_whale.html)

https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4

https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4 (https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 08:34:38 AM
no collusion, no obstruction!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDZm8ZKojEitbqNQSHC6eVRXW6TaNK4TcMVJxZK7AfI85cBet9)

We all know he flip flops.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 08:46:52 AM
Uh okay. Relax and enjoy retirement. Because you are not making any sense.

See!! Ahab beckons.....

Democrats' Relentless, Fruitless Hunt for the Great Orange Whale

The most important news, of course, is the report’s basic findings. It clearly demonstrates Russia tried to influence the 2016 election and favored Trump, but it kills the assertion that Trump or his campaign cooperated with them. For two years, Democrats and the mainstream media said the opposite about Trump — repeatedly, loudly, insistently. To continue that attack now is ludicrous. That doesn’t mean they will retract, apologize, or return their Pulitzer Prizes. They prefer to change the subject.

Escaping criminal charges is not exactly high praise for a president. Still, the Mueller team’s refusal to indict carries special weight because the prosecution team was stacked with Democratic donors and close allies of Hillary Clinton. That provenance shows throughout the report, which reads like opposition research, equipped with subpoena powers.

After the report was finished, the DoJ made a clear-cut decision on obstruction: no indictment. Democrats immediately slimed Attorney General Bill Barr as a political hack, doing Trump’s bidding. It is important to note, however, that Rod Rosenstein reached the same conclusion. Democrats have spent the last two years defending Rosenstein, the department’s second-ranking official and the man who appointed Mueller and supervised his team. Now, they are stuck with his decision.

The report hands Democrats another harpoon, but it is not a lethal one. The Great Orange Whale still swims free. It is the frenzied sailors — the ones who began this hunt and want to continue it — who now face real peril.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/23/democrats_relentless_fruitless_hunt_for_the_great_orange_whale.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/23/democrats_relentless_fruitless_hunt_for_the_great_orange_whale.html)

https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4

https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4 (https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4)

No Melville at Montessori? ;D
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 08:50:42 AM
Uh okay. Relax and enjoy retirement. Because you are not making any sense.

See!! Ahab beckons.....

Democrats' Relentless, Fruitless Hunt for the Great Orange Whale

The most important news, of course, is the report’s basic findings. It clearly demonstrates Russia tried to influence the 2016 election and favored Trump, but it kills the assertion that Trump or his campaign cooperated with them. For two years, Democrats and the mainstream media said the opposite about Trump — repeatedly, loudly, insistently. To continue that attack now is ludicrous. That doesn’t mean they will retract, apologize, or return their Pulitzer Prizes. They prefer to change the subject.

Escaping criminal charges is not exactly high praise for a president. Still, the Mueller team’s refusal to indict carries special weight because the prosecution team was stacked with Democratic donors and close allies of Hillary Clinton. That provenance shows throughout the report, which reads like opposition research, equipped with subpoena powers.

After the report was finished, the DoJ made a clear-cut decision on obstruction: no indictment. Democrats immediately slimed Attorney General Bill Barr as a political hack, doing Trump’s bidding. It is important to note, however, that Rod Rosenstein reached the same conclusion. Democrats have spent the last two years defending Rosenstein, the department’s second-ranking official and the man who appointed Mueller and supervised his team. Now, they are stuck with his decision.

The report hands Democrats another harpoon, but it is not a lethal one. The Great Orange Whale still swims free. It is the frenzied sailors — the ones who began this hunt and want to continue it — who now face real peril.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/23/democrats_relentless_fruitless_hunt_for_the_great_orange_whale.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/23/democrats_relentless_fruitless_hunt_for_the_great_orange_whale.html)

https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4

https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4 (https://youtu.be/eLTlfljynV4)

No Melville at Montessori? ;D

Are you referring to a preschool in South Africa? (I googled the words)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 09:07:16 AM
No Eye, I don't think you're getting the "nuance" of those jokes. Montessori is a chain of progressive private schools. There are several in Irvine but they are all over the country.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 09:25:21 AM
No Eye, I don't think you're getting the "nuance" of those jokes. Montessori is a chain of progressive private schools. There are several in Irvine but they are all over the country.

Are you saying only Democrats send their kids to Montessori pre schools and private schools?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 09:36:15 AM
Yes, it was a joke based on a generalization of those that send their kids to that brand of school.  Just like saying people who attend Cal are usually liberal in their view of the world.  It's an observation containing some truth but by no means a statement of total fact... a joke.  There, now you took all the fun out of it
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 09:50:46 AM
Yes, it was a joke based on a generalization of those that send their kids to that brand of school.  Just like saying people who attend Cal are usually liberal in their view of the world.  It's an observation containing some truth but by no means a statement of total fact... a joke.  There, now you took all the fun out of it

So it was a generalization? I thought there was a study that you knew of. I know for a fact both Dems and Republicans send their kids to private schools and Montessori schools.

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 09:59:03 AM
This is really unbelievable. You always try to spin something. 
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 10:00:05 AM
Of course they do. My kids go to private school but I can tell you for fact that ideology plays into parents decisions on where to send their children an spend their money. I know for fact that many conservative parents chose not to use Montessori for those reasons just as I know some who did.  I also know many who avoided Catholic schools for similar reasons.  Its a fact that some systems will attract like minded families, and yes thats a generality but it holds true.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 10:05:10 AM
Of course they do. My kids go to private school but I can tell you for fact that ideology plays into parents decisions on where to send their children an spend their money. I know for fact that many conservative parents chose not to use Montessori for those reasons just as I know some who did.  I also know many who avoided Catholic schools for similar reasons.  Its a fact that some systems will attract like minded families, and yes thats a generality but it holds true.

This is garbage. Generalization that is false in many ways.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 10:11:14 AM
So off topic but fun.  Tell me, this is not a liberal progressive philosophy on how to teach a child?...who do you think would send their children into this type of environment? A Republican or a Democrat?

Montessori schools are considered progressive schools.

If you are looking for a so-called 'traditional' style of teacher-directed learning, then you will be disappointed. Montessori schools are almost always 'progressive' schools. Their classes are multi-age and teacher-guided. The teacher hovers on the sidelines observing, helping and guiding the learning process.

The Teacher's Role: "The teacher, child, and environment create a learning triangle. The classroom is  prepared by the teacher to encourage independence, freedom within limits, and a sense of order. The child, through individual choice, makes use of what the environment offers to develop himself, interacting with the teacher when support and/or guidance is needed." American Montessori Association

Is Montessori for all children?  "There is no one school that is right for all children, and certainly there are children who may do better in a smaller classroom setting with a more teacher-directed program that offers fewer choices and more consistent external structure.  Children who are easily overstimulated, or those who tend to be overly aggressive, may be examples of children who might not adapt as easily to a Montessori program." The Montessori Foundation
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on April 23, 2019, 10:52:23 AM
Shouldn't you guys focus on something important like the valiant effort to remove a somewhat patriotic song from a meaningless tradition of single baseball team because the singer who has been dead over twenty year sang a unrelated song 80 years ago that potentially had the casual racism that permeated American society at that time.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 11:02:47 AM
Yes, back to the circus...Eye if you want to continue meet me on the snowflake thread.  back to the conspiracy.

“In the Mueller report in one section after the next said either they couldn’t establish that or there was no evidence for it, and yet they’re acting as though it said exactly the opposite, that this conspiracy theory was demonstrated and proven and vindicated," he said. "They're living in some bizarre fantasy land because they’re worried that admitting that they got this story wrong will damage their credibility."

“Pretending they got it right is just worsening the problem," he added.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/439989-greenwald-says-media-reaction-to-mueller-report-is-genuinely-stunning (https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/439989-greenwald-says-media-reaction-to-mueller-report-is-genuinely-stunning)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 23, 2019, 11:17:40 AM
Of course they do. My kids go to private school but I can tell you for fact that ideology plays into parents decisions on where to send their children an spend their money. I know for fact that many conservative parents chose not to use Montessori for those reasons just as I know some who did.  I also know many who avoided Catholic schools for similar reasons.  Its a fact that some systems will attract like minded families, and yes thats a generality but it holds true.

This is garbage. Generalization that is false in many ways.

I think it’s a complete waste of my time chatting with you. You categorically have a false generalization regarding schools and with other topics.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
And on this Mueller investigation he wins again by not folding early and calling a bluff...not chess, poker.

More like poker than chess. Even the press admits it...

Trump and Republicans easily win shutdown battle

The Democrats caved Monday three days into their government shutdown gamble.
This is a clear win for President Trump and the congressional Republicans.
The news media's failure to strongly support the Democrats was a key factor.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/22/trump-and-republicans-easily-win-shutdown-battle-commentary.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/22/trump-and-republicans-easily-win-shutdown-battle-commentary.html)

Oh...the Dems folding like a decks of cards is totally expected.  Chuck Schumer leads the Senate Dems...he is basically a folding chair.

For once IRC, you and I agree.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 05:37:13 PM
 ::)
Shouldn't you guys focus on something important like the valiant effort to remove a somewhat patriotic song from a meaningless tradition of single baseball team because the singer who has been dead over twenty year sang a unrelated song 80 years ago that potentially had the casual racism that permeated American society at that time.

Flyers dropped it too, ugh!

Kate Smith's relatives 'heartbroken' after Yankees, Flyers drop her 'God Bless America' recording: report

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/kate-smiths-relatives-heartbroken-after-yankees-flyers-drop-her-god-bless-america-recording-report (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/kate-smiths-relatives-heartbroken-after-yankees-flyers-drop-her-god-bless-america-recording-report)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 23, 2019, 09:54:14 PM
Truth hurts.

FROM “COLLUSION” TO “OBSTRUCTION”
With the release of the Mueller Report last week, the mainstream media have mostly moved on from “collusion” to “obstruction” without a look backward. While they formerly chimed in on “collusion” with the unanimity and volume of an audience of Communist Party functionaries applauding one of Stalin’s speeches, they have now transferred to the same hatefest with a new theme. It is remarkable.

Indeed, I wonder if the state press of the Soviet Union achieved such monochromatic stupidity as they propagate the new party line. At least the state press of the Soviet Union had the excuse of the Gulag to account for their behavior. Our media have no one to blame but themselves — not that they are inclined to acknowledge their own errors proclaiming the party line, let alone cast blame for them.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/from-collusion-to-obstruction.php (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/from-collusion-to-obstruction.php)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 24, 2019, 07:13:43 AM
Everything boils down to This — “Donald Trump is so amazing we should let him get away with crimes”

Anyone else would like a RECENT POSTS link that excludes the trump political threads ?  Much more useful conversations to be had elsewhere ...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 24, 2019, 07:15:28 AM
Everything boils down to This — “Donald Trump is so amazing we should let him get away with crimes”

Anyone else would like a RECENT POSTS link that excludes the trump political threads ?  Much more useful conversations to be had elsewhere ...

tired of winning already?  :)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 24, 2019, 07:20:28 AM
Everything boils down to This — “Donald Trump is so amazing we should let him get away with crimes”

Anyone else would like a RECENT POSTS link that excludes the trump political threads ?  Much more useful conversations to be had elsewhere ...

tired of winning already?  :)

You lost with the midterms, tariffs and government shutdown.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 24, 2019, 07:47:49 AM
Everything boils down to This — “Donald Trump is so amazing we should let him get away with crimes”

Anyone else would like a RECENT POSTS link that excludes the trump political threads ?  Much more useful conversations to be had elsewhere ...

tired of winning already?  :)

You lost with the midterms (that was a win...all you got was a useless soapbox to yell from and it infected the party with a bunch of loud, dopey, socialists who have taken over the soapbox and are dictating policy that will lose the next election for them)

, tariffs (working great...China will sign a deal soon that will help in leveling the field and will be welcomed by the markets.)

and government shutdown. (there was a government shutdown?)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on April 24, 2019, 08:34:53 AM
Of course they do. My kids go to private school but I can tell you for fact that ideology plays into parents decisions on where to send their children an spend their money. I know for fact that many conservative parents chose not to use Montessori for those reasons just as I know some who did.  I also know many who avoided Catholic schools for similar reasons.  Its a fact that some systems will attract like minded families, and yes thats a generality but it holds true.

This is garbage. Generalization that is false in many ways.

I think it’s a complete waste of my time chatting with you. You categorically have a false generalization regarding schools and with other topics.

When he gets his thoughts together and thinks things through maybe I will have a conversation with that guy.
Other than that it’s a waste of my time.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 25, 2019, 07:48:05 AM
Supoena away. The precedent has been set, ignore them.

Eric Holder Is Defying the Law by Resisting Subpoena

When someone receives a subpoena, they can either comply or challenge the subpoena on certain legal grounds or claim the documents are privileged. What they cannot do is ignore the subpoena and that is what Holder did. For months, Holder has ignored the subpoena. When Darryl Issa asked if the documents had been assembled within the Justice Department, Holder refused to answer. In short, he was thumbing his nose at the committee.
[Check out our editorial cartoons on President Obama.]
Contempt is what is called a remedial power. If you fail to comply with a subpoena, you can be jailed until you do comply. You can also be jailed for contempt as a separate offense. Not shockingly, the most corrupt administration since the Nixon administration quickly announced after the contempt vote that it would not prosecute Eric Holder for contempt.
The problem here is that the Obama Regime believes it is above the law. Eric Holder went off to Disney World the day the House voted on holding him in contempt.
Doesn't that send a message? The only thing missing was Holder's extended middle finger pointed towards Congress and Darryl Issa. Holder should be jailed for contempt. He is not simply disagreeing with Congress. He is acting in defiance of the law.

https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena (https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-the-house-right-to-hold-eric-holder-in-contempt/eric-holder-is-defying-the-law-by-resisting-subpoena)

Told ya...

White House ignores House panels’ requests for documents, Democrats say

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/white-house-intent-on-challenging-democrats-request-for-documents-in-probe-of-trump/2019/03/19/7286a74c-4a83-11e9-b79a-961983b7e0cd_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/white-house-intent-on-challenging-democrats-request-for-documents-in-probe-of-trump/2019/03/19/7286a74c-4a83-11e9-b79a-961983b7e0cd_story.html)

Told me what?  Of course they are going to resist...they already said they were.  Question whether the courts are going to make them comply.

Probably...nothing.

President Trump's White House appears to have figured out the secret of congressional oversight: there's not much Democrats can do if they say no to everything.

The big picture: The millions of voters who elected a Democratic House in November are about to find out how hard it is for one party — with just one chamber of Congress and without the cooperation of the other party — to investigate a president who's determined to run out the clock.

Yes, House Democrats can subpoena whoever and whatever they want — but those subpoenas are hard to enforce.
They can hold administration officials in contempt, but in all of the most recent examples where Congress did that, it fizzled.
Do you remember Eric Holder going to jail during Barack Obama's presidency because Congress held him in contempt for refusing to turn over "Fast and Furious" documents?

Or Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten going to jail during George W. Bush's presidency after Congress held them in contempt for refusing to testify about the resignations of nine U.S. attorneys?
Of course you don't — because none of it happened.

https://www.countable.us/articles/26240-reality-congressional-oversight-democrats-do-trump-just-says (https://www.countable.us/articles/26240-reality-congressional-oversight-democrats-do-trump-just-says)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 25, 2019, 09:43:12 AM
I've been trying to google this, read the Wiki, but how exactly could the Russians interfere with the election?

I think you all may have talked about this before but if what was contended is true, wouldn't Trump have won the popular vote too?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 25, 2019, 09:50:43 AM
I've been trying to google this, read the Wiki, but how exactly could the Russians interfere with the election?

I think you all may have talked about this before but if what was contended is true, wouldn't Trump have won the popular vote too?

A number of ways but basically the use of the internet allow selective targeting in selective areas.  It's why Facebook and social media were big targets...they already know how the potential voters are and targeted them aggressively.

Quote
At the height of the 2016 campaign, the effort employed more than 80 people, who used secure virtual private network connections to computer servers leased in the United States to hide the fact that they were in Russia. From there, they posed as American activists, emailing, advising and making payments to real Americans who were duped into believing that they were part of the same cause.

The playing field was mainly social media, where the Russians splashed catchy memes and hash tags. Facebook has estimated that the fraudulent Russian posts reached 126 million Americans on its platforms alone.

The Russian operatives contacted, among others, a real Texas activist who, evidently assuming they were Americans, advised them to focus on “purple states like Colorado, Virginia & Florida.” After that, F.B.I. agents found that the phrase “purple states” became a mantra for the Russian operation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russia-mueller-election.html

Quote
The Russian efforts described in the indictment focused on establishing deep, authenticated, long-term identities for individuals and groups within specific communities. This was underlaid by the establishment of servers and VPNs based in the US to mask the location of the individuals involved. US-based email accounts linked to fake or stolen US identity documents (driver licenses, social security numbers, and more) were used to back the online identities. These identities were also used to launder payments through PayPal and cryptocurrency accounts. All of this deception was designed to make it appear that these activities were being carried out by Americans.

Quote
We’re only at the beginning of having an answer to this question because we’ve only just begun to ask some of the right questions. But Mueller’s indictment shows that Russian accounts and agents accomplished more than just stoking divisions and tensions with sloppy propaganda memes. The messaging was more sophisticated, and some Americans took action. For example, the indictment recounts a number of instances where events and demonstrations were organized by Russians posing as Americans on social media. These accounts aimed to get people to do specific things. And it turns out—some people did.

https://www.wired.com/story/did-russia-affect-the-2016-election-its-now-undeniable/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 25, 2019, 10:12:13 AM
I've been trying to google this, read the Wiki, but how exactly could the Russians interfere with the election?

I think you all may have talked about this before but if what was contended is true, wouldn't Trump have won the popular vote too?

mountain meet molehill.

https://youtu.be/cBKHammeEYs

https://youtu.be/cBKHammeEYs (https://youtu.be/cBKHammeEYs)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 25, 2019, 10:26:46 AM
I've been trying to google this, read the Wiki, but how exactly could the Russians interfere with the election?

I think you all may have talked about this before but if what was contended is true, wouldn't Trump have won the popular vote too?

A number of ways but basically the use of the internet allow selective targeting in selective areas.  It's why Facebook and social media were big targets...they already know how the potential voters are and targeted them aggressively.

Quote
At the height of the 2016 campaign, the effort employed more than 80 people, who used secure virtual private network connections to computer servers leased in the United States to hide the fact that they were in Russia. From there, they posed as American activists, emailing, advising and making payments to real Americans who were duped into believing that they were part of the same cause.

The playing field was mainly social media, where the Russians splashed catchy memes and hash tags. Facebook has estimated that the fraudulent Russian posts reached 126 million Americans on its platforms alone.

The Russian operatives contacted, among others, a real Texas activist who, evidently assuming they were Americans, advised them to focus on “purple states like Colorado, Virginia & Florida.” After that, F.B.I. agents found that the phrase “purple states” became a mantra for the Russian operation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russia-mueller-election.html

Quote
The Russian efforts described in the indictment focused on establishing deep, authenticated, long-term identities for individuals and groups within specific communities. This was underlaid by the establishment of servers and VPNs based in the US to mask the location of the individuals involved. US-based email accounts linked to fake or stolen US identity documents (driver licenses, social security numbers, and more) were used to back the online identities. These identities were also used to launder payments through PayPal and cryptocurrency accounts. All of this deception was designed to make it appear that these activities were being carried out by Americans.

Quote
We’re only at the beginning of having an answer to this question because we’ve only just begun to ask some of the right questions. But Mueller’s indictment shows that Russian accounts and agents accomplished more than just stoking divisions and tensions with sloppy propaganda memes. The messaging was more sophisticated, and some Americans took action. For example, the indictment recounts a number of instances where events and demonstrations were organized by Russians posing as Americans on social media. These accounts aimed to get people to do specific things. And it turns out—some people did.

https://www.wired.com/story/did-russia-affect-the-2016-election-its-now-undeniable/

To me this just seems like any other type of campaigning.

Couldn't either party do this? What makes a Russian campaigning for Trump any more powerful than an American? Or a Mexican? Or a Canadian?

And again, if this effort affected voting perception so much, how did Clinton win the popular vote?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 25, 2019, 10:32:03 AM

To me this just seems like any other type of campaigning.

Couldn't either party do this? What makes a Russian campaigning for Trump any more powerful than an American? Or a Mexican? Or a Canadian?

And again, if this effort affected voting perception so much, how did Clinton win the popular vote?

Yes...but it's different when it's a foreign source.  It is the same reason why foreign companies/nationals cannot contribute to campaigns.

Because you don't need to affect everyone or even most people...you just need to disenfranchise some and encourage others.  Trump won the electoral college with like a 50,000 vote margin across like 3 to 4 states.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 25, 2019, 10:33:01 AM
Its like the argument about money over-influencing voters.  If the amount of money spent buys elections then Meg Whitman would be our governor and Hillary Clinton would be President...Billions in spending bought them each a big L.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 25, 2019, 10:39:01 AM

To me this just seems like any other type of campaigning.

Couldn't either party do this? What makes a Russian campaigning for Trump any more powerful than an American? Or a Mexican? Or a Canadian?

And again, if this effort affected voting perception so much, how did Clinton win the popular vote?

Yes...but it's different when it's a foreign source.  It is the same reason why foreign companies/nationals cannot contribute to campaigns.

Because you don't need to affect everyone or even most people...you just need to disenfranchise some and encourage others.  Trump won the electoral college with like a 50,000 vote margin across like 3 to 4 states.

Its done all the time and has been forever...its effectiveness is questionable.

Obama’s Meddling in Foreign Elections: Six Examples

While the media obsess over an alleged Russian conspiracy to collude with Donald Trump to affect America’s 2016 presidential election, what about Obama’s interference in the elections of other countries? Most Americans have no idea that President Obama meddled in elections all over the world. And apparently, the media decided there’s no reason for Americans to know about this illegal activity.

Indeed, in 2016, the Los Angeles Times did a story on how America has interfered with other nation’s elections in the past, but they stopped short of mentioning the various foreign elections Obama tried to influence. But the same article reports that Obama “slapped Russia with new penalties for meddling in the U.S. Presidential election… by hacking into Democratic and Republican computer networks and selectively releasing emails.” Hypocrisy check, anyone?

https://spectator.org/obamas-meddling-in-foreign-elections-six-examples/ (https://spectator.org/obamas-meddling-in-foreign-elections-six-examples/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 25, 2019, 10:44:01 AM

To me this just seems like any other type of campaigning.

Couldn't either party do this? What makes a Russian campaigning for Trump any more powerful than an American? Or a Mexican? Or a Canadian?

And again, if this effort affected voting perception so much, how did Clinton win the popular vote?

Yes...but it's different when it's a foreign source.  It is the same reason why foreign companies/nationals cannot contribute to campaigns.

That's not really a good comparison but that still doesn't explain how Russian "disenfranchising" is any more powerful than domestic efforts.

Quote
Because you don't need to affect everyone or even most people...you just need to disenfranchise some and encourage others.  Trump won the electoral college with like a 50,000 vote margin across like 3 to 4 states.

Again, this can be done by either party domestically... does Russia have some special encouragement powers that the Democrats or Republicans can't get at Walmart?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: zubs on April 25, 2019, 10:55:06 AM
The Russians want the US to fail.
They figured Trump is a better candidate for this then Hillary
They want a polarized US citizenship fighting each other and getting nothing done
They are probably for impeaching trump as it adds more chaos.

The more you argue and take up extremist ideals, the more they win.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 25, 2019, 11:00:14 AM

To me this just seems like any other type of campaigning.

Couldn't either party do this? What makes a Russian campaigning for Trump any more powerful than an American? Or a Mexican? Or a Canadian?

And again, if this effort affected voting perception so much, how did Clinton win the popular vote?

Yes...but it's different when it's a foreign source.  It is the same reason why foreign companies/nationals cannot contribute to campaigns.

That's not really a good comparison but that still doesn't explain how Russian "disenfranchising" is any more powerful than domestic efforts.

Quote
Because you don't need to affect everyone or even most people...you just need to disenfranchise some and encourage others.  Trump won the electoral college with like a 50,000 vote margin across like 3 to 4 states.

Again, this can be done by either party domestically... does Russia have some special encouragement powers that the Democrats or Republicans can't get at Walmart?

No...but motivation is important.  Dems and Republicans are trying to get elected to make the US "better".  Russians are not.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on April 25, 2019, 11:01:08 AM
The Russians want the US to fail.
They figured Trump is a better candidate for this then Hillary
They want a polarized US citizenship fighting each other and getting nothing done
They are probably for impeaching trump as it adds more chaos.

The more you argue and take up extremist ideals, the more they win.

Welcome to the data analytics rabbit hole.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 25, 2019, 11:06:16 AM
Obama’s Meddling in Foreign Elections: Six Examples

While the media obsess over an alleged Russian conspiracy to collude with Donald Trump to affect America’s 2016 presidential election, what about Obama’s interference in the elections of other countries? Most Americans have no idea that President Obama meddled in elections all over the world. And apparently, the media decided there’s no reason for Americans to know about this illegal activity.

Indeed, in 2016, the Los Angeles Times did a story on how America has interfered with other nation’s elections in the past, but they stopped short of mentioning the various foreign elections Obama tried to influence. But the same article reports that Obama “slapped Russia with new penalties for meddling in the U.S. Presidential election… by hacking into Democratic and Republican computer networks and selectively releasing emails.” Hypocrisy check, anyone?

https://spectator.org/obamas-meddling-in-foreign-elections-six-examples/ (https://spectator.org/obamas-meddling-in-foreign-elections-six-examples/)

Sure...US also bombed Middle Eastern country to questionable effect in the past so only fair that Middle Easterners be allowed to bomb the US.

Only Trumpsters don't understand that this is the new war/battleground that we are fighting on.  Instead, they're still stuck on pointing to the scoreboard.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 25, 2019, 11:18:06 AM
Thats not my point. ALL administrations have meddled in other countries elections. How has changed but the goals have not.  Russia tries, China tries, even our allies like the Israelis and Brits try...nothing new.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 25, 2019, 11:56:23 AM
What's the over/under on when he starts attacking Biden's dead wife and kids?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 25, 2019, 12:04:06 PM
Thats not my point. ALL administrations have meddled in other countries elections. How has changed but the goals have not.  Russia tries, China tries, even our allies like the Israelis and Brits try...nothing new.

So...we should just be like...meh.  Who cares?   
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 25, 2019, 12:23:46 PM
Kinda, at the very least we shouldn't be acting like we need the fainting couch as if this is new news.  This game has been going on forever, we should try and stop it but I doubt it affects anything one way or the other.   "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

https://youtu.be/SjbPi00k_ME

https://youtu.be/SjbPi00k_ME (https://youtu.be/SjbPi00k_ME)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 25, 2019, 12:26:48 PM
Kinda, at the very least we shouldn't be acting like we need the fainting couch as if this is new news.  This game has been going on forever, we should try and stop it but I doubt it affects anything one way or the other.   "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

Yeah...I have no more energy for this discussion.  I am sure you have the same reaction if Hillary was in the White House and went through the events as Trump has. 

Keep pointing at the scoreboard.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on April 25, 2019, 12:29:15 PM
What's the over/under on when he starts attacking Biden's dead wife and kids?

He might but i guarantee he will sink his teeth deep into Hunter. 

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived

 Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on April 25, 2019, 02:49:14 PM
hello, this is what obstruction of justice really looks like

Quote
Massachusetts judge who helped illegal immigrant escape ICE arrest indicted, federal authorities say

A Massachusetts judge and court officer accused of helping an illegal immigrant flee an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent waiting to take him into custody were indicted Thursday by a federal grand jury for obstruction of justice and three other counts, officials said.

Newton District Court Judge Shelley M. Richmond Joseph and the court officer, identified in court documents as Wesley MacGregor, face several charges stemming from an April 2, 2018 incident in which the pair allegedly helped Jose Medina-Perez get out of the courthouse via a back door in order to elude the ICE agent who sought Medina-Perez.

“This case is about the rule of law. The allegations in today’s indictment involve obstruction by a sitting judge, that is intentional interference with the enforcement of federal law, and that is a crime," U.S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts Andrew Lelling said Thursday.

Joseph and MacGregor were both charged with obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting; obstruction of a federal proceeding, aiding and abetting and conspiracy to obstruct justice, Lelling said. MacGregor was also charged with perjury before a federal grand jury.

"As public servants, all of the officers in the court make a promise — a promise to serve the people’s interest above all else. Today we know this promise has been broken,” said Peter Fitzhugh, special agent in charge of the Homeland Security Investigations in Boston, who led the investigation.

Medina-Perez, a twice-deported illegal immigrant with a fugitive warrant for drunken driving in Pennsylvania, had been in Joseph's courtroom in order to be arraigned on drug charges, the Boston Globe previously reported.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-judge-who-helped-illegal-immigrant-escape-ice-arrest-indicted-federal-authorities-say (https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-judge-who-helped-illegal-immigrant-escape-ice-arrest-indicted-federal-authorities-say)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 25, 2019, 03:32:10 PM
Thats not my point. ALL administrations have meddled in other countries elections. How has changed but the goals have not.  Russia tries, China tries, even our allies like the Israelis and Brits try...nothing new.

So...we should just be like...meh.  Who cares?   


I care because if it is possible to rig an election, I want to be sure that it's prevented in future ones.

I still just don't see how the Russians allegedly did that, esp with the electoral college system in place... maybe I just don't understand how that works.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 25, 2019, 03:47:47 PM
Thats not my point. ALL administrations have meddled in other countries elections. How has changed but the goals have not.  Russia tries, China tries, even our allies like the Israelis and Brits try...nothing new.

So...we should just be like...meh.  Who cares?   


I care because if it is possible to rig an election, I want to be sure that it's prevented in future ones.

I still just don't see how the Russians allegedly did that, esp with the electoral college system in place... maybe I just don't understand how that works.

Actually..electoral college system make it much more likely to be rigged..you don't need to affect a majority of voter...you just need to sway the margin in the battleground states.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on April 25, 2019, 06:15:04 PM
Kinda, at the very least we shouldn't be acting like we need the fainting couch as if this is new news.  This game has been going on forever, we should try and stop it but I doubt it affects anything one way or the other.   "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

Yeah...I have no more energy for this discussion.  I am sure you have the same reaction if Hillary was in the White House and went through the events as Trump has. 

Keep pointing at the scoreboard.

Yeah that’s what I have been saying

But opening the recents posts link to read TI is like stepping over a purple dumpster fire . You want to look away and keep scrolling but it gets exhausting .

Wish there was a “recent posts “ link that excluded all this stuff
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 01, 2019, 08:53:18 AM
Omg. Barr is bludgeoning these fools.  This is truly entertaining to watch.  I hope they televise the Congressional questioning because those clowns are even dumber.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?459922-1/william-barr-testifies-mueller-report-senate-judiciary-committee&playEvent (https://www.c-span.org/video/?459922-1/william-barr-testifies-mueller-report-senate-judiciary-committee&playEvent)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on May 01, 2019, 09:46:54 AM
i can't wait for the democrat presidential hopefuls to embarrass themselves on a national stage after they resume from lunch. got my popcorn ready!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 01, 2019, 11:03:35 AM
Wow, Mazie Hirono is bat sh#t crazy! I love it!!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: fortune11 on May 01, 2019, 11:47:05 AM
Wow, Mazie Hirono is bat sh#t crazy! I love it!!

Yes you love it and keep loving it but don’t treat the forum as your personal diary and again pollute the “recent posts” link  .... No one else cares about this  !
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 01, 2019, 11:52:35 AM
That is partially my point...nobody but political animals care about this investigation now.  Watching the "candidates" perform comical logic jui jitzu is endlessly entertaining though.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on May 01, 2019, 11:53:23 AM
Wow, Mazie Hirono is bat sh#t crazy! I love it!!

Yes you love it and keep loving it but don’t treat the forum as your personal diary and again pollute the “recent posts” link  .... No one else cares about this  !

"dear diary, today a recent forum post angered me..."
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 01, 2019, 12:15:04 PM
Wow, Mazie Hirono is bat sh#t crazy! I love it!!

Yes you love it and keep loving it but don’t treat the forum as your personal diary and again pollute the “recent posts” link  .... No one else cares about this  !

I stop talking to that guy. It’s like a complete waste of time.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on May 01, 2019, 12:28:30 PM
Not watching, don 't care.  I know 45 is a creep.  I know i wouldn 't do business with 45.

Saw the interpetation of Mueller's whine in WP.  Frankly, the Dems need to supeona Mueller and ask him three simple yes or no questions,and restrict his answer to yes or no. 

No grand standing.  No posing.  Just three simple questions.  Six if you want to talk about Russian interference.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 01, 2019, 02:22:10 PM
Wow, Mazie Hirono is bat sh#t crazy! I love it!!

Yes you love it and keep loving it but don’t treat the forum as your personal diary and again pollute the “recent posts” link  .... No one else cares about this  !

I stop talking to that guy. It’s like a complete waste of time.

https://youtu.be/EGlo9LzmOME

https://youtu.be/EGlo9LzmOME (https://youtu.be/EGlo9LzmOME)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 01, 2019, 02:29:51 PM
Do you really want to engage in a conversation with me? We all know how the movie is going to end.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 01, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
I’m like literally a level above you. I think you should ask yourself why you keep losing to me.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 01, 2019, 02:41:03 PM
You goin all Maize on me?  Prey tell what have you been # winning? >:D
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on May 01, 2019, 02:44:20 PM
You goin all Maize on me?  Prey tell what have you been # winning? >:D

On manny issues. Winning or correct (call it what you want!)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 01, 2019, 03:25:20 PM
Lighten up Francis.   ;D

https://youtu.be/9pA1h1FjBZg

https://youtu.be/9pA1h1FjBZg (https://youtu.be/9pA1h1FjBZg)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on May 15, 2019, 07:03:57 PM
And now the snakes begin to eat each other...pass the salt.

Obama’s intelligence chiefs Brennan and Clapper claim they told James Comey NOT to use the golden showers dossier to get eavesdropping warrant on Trump campaign aide

High-level former aides are squaring off on who pushed to include the unverified dossier in a surveillance warrant application
 Emails refer to the dossier as 'crown material'
 Former CIA official says former CIA Director John Brennan and former NSA chief James Clapper argued against
Official said former FBI Director James Comey pushed for it
Comey briefed Trump on the contents of the dossier and its salacious unverified claims about his alleged conduct in Moscow after the election
The spat comes as Attorney General Bill Barr appointed an official to probe how the Russia investigation got started
Trump said he was honored by Barr's move

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7032973/Obamas-intel-chiefs-claim-told-Comey-NOT-use-golden-showers-dossier-warrant.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7032973/Obamas-intel-chiefs-claim-told-Comey-NOT-use-golden-showers-dossier-warrant.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on June 12, 2019, 10:37:57 AM
What's the over/under on when he starts attacking Biden's dead wife and kids?

He might but i guarantee he will sink his teeth deep into Hunter. 

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived

 Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived)

If you think Trumps kids are an anchor and crazy they got nothin on Bidens kid....

Meet Hunter Biden's new wife! Just weeks after splitting up with his brother Beau's widow, the vice president's son secretly marries world-traveling South African activist

Joe Biden's son Hunter, 49, married Melissa Cohen, from South Africa, in Los Angeles in mid-May
Hunter used an instant marriage company to marry Cohen, and the hasty vows hint that Joe and the rest of the Bidens were not in attendance for the big day
A friend of Cohen said she lived in Los Angeles and the newlyweds met in May, having a whirlwind romance and getting matching tattoos 
On Sunday, Jill Biden posted a family photo celebrating Hunter's daughter Maisy's graduation from high school but absent was Hunter's new wife 
In late April, reports surfaced Hunter had called it quits with his late brother Beau's widow Hallie after two years of dating
At the beginning of their relationship, Hunter was still married to his then-wife Kathleen, though they had been estranged. That divorce was finalized in 2017

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7133497/Joe-Bidens-son-Hunter-secretly-tied-knot-South-African-woman-month.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7133497/Joe-Bidens-son-Hunter-secretly-tied-knot-South-African-woman-month.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on June 12, 2019, 02:04:49 PM
Am I reading this right?  He dated his deceased brother's widow?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on June 12, 2019, 09:56:07 PM
It’s beyond weird.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: aquabliss on June 13, 2019, 07:44:00 AM
That guy looks like a character from Mad Men.  Behaves like one, too.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on June 13, 2019, 07:51:46 AM
If Biden becomes the Candidate you are going to hear a lot more about Hunter. He is like Bo's evil twin.  Fetch your fainting couch.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 13, 2019, 09:53:11 AM
Meanwhile in the world of actual substance..

Quote
Trump wasn't discussing conversations during state visits with allied governments in the interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, but instead was talking about a situation in which a potential rival foreign government offered more clandestine information on a political opponent.

Trump told the ABC host that he would not call the FBI in such a situation, even though Trump's own FBI director has said that is the right protocol for such a situation.

Told that by Stephanopoulos, Trump said the FBI director was wrong.

"I think you might want to listen. There’s nothing wrong with listening," Trump said in the interview. "It’s not an interference. They have information. I think I’d take it. If I thought there was something wrong, I’d go maybe to the FBI."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/448331-trump-defends-remarks-about-accepting-information-from-foreign

BUT THE STEELE REPORT!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on June 13, 2019, 10:07:36 AM
If hypothetical s are your definition of substance. Like labeling air a solid.  Fact is Muelller outlined numerous instances where Trump admin was offered information,  by actual Russians, that were ALL turned down.  More fake news.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 13, 2019, 10:13:22 AM
If hypothetical s are your definition of substance. Like labeling air a solid.  Fact is Muelller outlined numerous instances where Trump admin was offered information,  by actual Russians, that were ALL turned down.  More fake news.

Apparently you were reading a different Mueller Report

Quote
Secondly, the report details a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016. The intent of the meeting was to exchange "dirt" on the Clinton campaign. There was speculation that Trump Jr. told his father. However, the special counsel could not find any evidence that he did. The office declined to pursue charges for two reasons: the office "did not obtain admissible evidence" that would meet the burden of proof principle beyond a reasonable doubt that the campaign officials acted with general knowledge about the illegality of their conduct; secondly, the office expected difficulty in valuing the promised information that "exceeded the threshold for a criminal violation" of $2,000 for a criminal violation and $25,000 for a felony punishment.

Quote
The report states that the first possible obstruction case was during the 2016 presidential campaign, when questions "arose about the Russian government's apparent support for candidate Trump". The report states that while Trump was publicly skeptical Russia had released emails from Democratic officials, Trump and his aides were also trying to obtain information about "any further planned WikiLeaks releases". According to the report, shortly after a WikiLeaks release,[which?] Rick Gates, then Deputy Campaign Chairman, was going to LaGuardia Airport with Trump when Trump took a phone call. After the call, "candidate Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information would be coming". The report also notes that Trump consistently said that he had no business connections to Russia, despite his company trying to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. "After the election, the President expressed concerns to advisors that reports of Russia's election interference might lead the public to question the legitimacy of his election"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_Report
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on June 13, 2019, 10:24:31 AM
If there is so much "substance" there then by all means...charge him...I dare you.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 13, 2019, 10:26:26 AM
If there is so much "substance" there then by all means...charge him...I dare you.

Do you ever get tired moving those goal posts?  But hey...facts don't matter..just handwaving.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on June 13, 2019, 10:30:33 AM
I support impeachment, heck I just donated a dollar to Eric Swallwel's campaign just to keep him in the debates.  If they impeach...they guarantee his win...if they don't, they only assure his re election.  Either way he wins.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on June 13, 2019, 10:54:15 AM
I support impeachment, heck I just donated a dollar to Eric Swallwel's campaign just to keep him in the debates.  If they impeach...they guarantee his win...if they don't, they only assure his re election.  Either way he wins.

LOL genius
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on June 13, 2019, 10:59:10 AM
Here is the big question...will i be investigated for trying to influence an election with real money donations but ill intent?  I am waiting in a silk robe for the FBI swat team to swoop in at any moment to whisk me off to Rikers!!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on June 13, 2019, 07:22:35 PM
fact: lil adam schitt took a phone call last year from russians who claimed to have nudie photos of trump. everyone follows leads of dirt on opposition, let’s be real. but please continue with your faux outrage of the day  :D
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on June 22, 2019, 07:29:53 AM
If Biden becomes the Candidate you are going to hear a lot more about Hunter. He is like Bo's evil twin.  Fetch your fainting couch.

This just gets better and better. I suppose they are holing fire till Biden gets the nomination but after that, it’s weapons free!

Hunter Biden's blonde 'baby momma' who accuses him of fathering her 10-month-old son while he was dating his brother's widow and before marrying a South African therapist

https://mol.im/a/7169029 (https://mol.im/a/7169029)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on June 22, 2019, 12:14:10 PM
If Biden becomes the Candidate you are going to hear a lot more about Hunter. He is like Bo's evil twin.  Fetch your fainting couch.

This just gets better and better. I suppose they are holing fire till Biden gets the nomination but after that, it’s weapons free!

Hunter Biden's blonde 'baby momma' who accuses him of fathering her 10-month-old son while he was dating his brother's widow and before marrying a South African therapist

https://mol.im/a/7169029 (https://mol.im/a/7169029)

coming up next week on maury!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALpOzyKCWOo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALpOzyKCWOo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALpOzyKCWOo
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on July 23, 2019, 10:06:24 PM
Is this still relevant or have we all moved on?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on July 24, 2019, 06:07:11 AM
mueller sounding like a bumbling old man who can't remember what he wrote in his report right now

is this really the guy that was leading the investigation? LOL
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on July 24, 2019, 12:50:37 PM
I’m not sure he didn’t do all that on purpose...sure threw a wrench into the questioning.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on July 24, 2019, 01:47:26 PM
I’m not sure he didn’t do all that on purpose...sure threw a wrench into the questioning.

i don't think he's that diabolical.  i honestly think he just had the pedigree to be the figurehead, but in the end when put on the stand to actually defend the assertations in the report he had no idea what was going on.  he looked like a lost old man that didn't know his right hand from his left.  he even had a last minute clinton attorney up there to help him out, which is unprecedented.  this was a complete flop for the dems and nadler who have been promoting this grand testimony for months.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Happiness on July 24, 2019, 01:58:13 PM
The Mueller hearing was painful to listen to. Can you imagine if Muller was your grandpa and the Dems dragged him up there against his will and made him look like that?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on July 24, 2019, 02:17:49 PM
The Mueller hearing was painful to listen to. Can you imagine if Muller was your grandpa and the Dems dragged him up there against his will and made him look like that?

"please grandpa, tell us about that time you almost took down trump while we pushed false stories down the american public's throat for 2 years"
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on July 25, 2019, 05:51:47 AM
for anyone that missed the "movie" that was supposed to be better than the book!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynk_Rmy7UTc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynk_Rmy7UTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynk_Rmy7UTc)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on July 28, 2019, 10:21:15 AM
House Judiciary chairman says Robert Mueller was very 'careful' during his testimony last week not to say what his report proves

Jerry Nadler said Sunday that Robert Mueller's walkback on his reasoning for not indicting Donald Trump was just a 'careful' way to not say what his reports proves – that the president has committed a crime.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7294691/Jerry-Nadler-says-Mueller-careful-testimony-not-say-report-proves.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7294691/Jerry-Nadler-says-Mueller-careful-testimony-not-say-report-proves.html)

Translation...wait do I really need to?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on July 30, 2019, 04:07:50 PM
ouch!  "entirely divorced from facts" ...sounds about right!

Quote
Judge dismisses DNC hacking lawsuit against Trump team, says claims 'entirely divorced from the facts'

A federal judge in frank terms Tuesday dismissed a lawsuit by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) against key members of the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks over hacked DNC documents, saying they "did not participate in any wrongdoing in obtaining the materials in the first place" and therefore bore no legal liability for disseminating the information.

The ruling came as Democrats increasingly have sought to tie the Trump team to illegal activity in Russia, in spite of former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's findings that the campaign in fact refused multiple offers by Russians to involve them in hacking and disinformation efforts.

However, Judge John Koeltl, a Bill Clinton appointee sitting in the Southern District of New York, wrote in his 81-page opinion Tuesday that the DNC's argument was "entirely divorced" from the facts.

The DNC first filed its suit in April 2018, and the defendants responded that the First Amendment legally protected the dissemination of stolen materials.

"In short, the DNC raises a number of connections and communications between the defendants and with people loosely connected to the Russian Federation, but at no point does the DNC allege any facts ... to show that any of the defendants -- other than the Russian Federation -- participated in the theft of the DNC's information," Koeltl said.

"Nor does the DNC allege that the defendants ever agreed to help the Russian Federation steal the DNC's documents," he added.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dnc-lawsuit-trump-campaign-russia-wikileaks-hacking-dismissed (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dnc-lawsuit-trump-campaign-russia-wikileaks-hacking-dismissed)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 24, 2019, 03:53:04 PM
Did you mark my words?

What's the over/under on when he starts attacking Biden's dead wife and kids?

He might but i guarantee he will sink his teeth deep into Hunter. 

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived

 Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived)

If you think Trumps kids are an anchor and crazy they got nothin on Bidens kid....

Meet Hunter Biden's new wife! Just weeks after splitting up with his brother Beau's widow, the vice president's son secretly marries world-traveling South African activist

Joe Biden's son Hunter, 49, married Melissa Cohen, from South Africa, in Los Angeles in mid-May
Hunter used an instant marriage company to marry Cohen, and the hasty vows hint that Joe and the rest of the Bidens were not in attendance for the big day
A friend of Cohen said she lived in Los Angeles and the newlyweds met in May, having a whirlwind romance and getting matching tattoos 
On Sunday, Jill Biden posted a family photo celebrating Hunter's daughter Maisy's graduation from high school but absent was Hunter's new wife 
In late April, reports surfaced Hunter had called it quits with his late brother Beau's widow Hallie after two years of dating
At the beginning of their relationship, Hunter was still married to his then-wife Kathleen, though they had been estranged. That divorce was finalized in 2017

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7133497/Joe-Bidens-son-Hunter-secretly-tied-knot-South-African-woman-month.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7133497/Joe-Bidens-son-Hunter-secretly-tied-knot-South-African-woman-month.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 25, 2019, 08:35:17 AM
Light fuse...blow up in face.

After a whistle-blower raised concerns about Mr. Trump’s dealings with Ukraine, the director of national intelligence and the inspector general for the intelligence community each referred the complaint for a possible criminal investigation into the president’s actions, according to a Justice Department official.

The department’s criminal division reviewed the matters and concluded that there was no basis for a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s behavior. Law enforcement officials determined that the transcript of the call did not show that Mr. Trump had violated campaign finance laws by soliciting from a foreign national a contribution, donation or thing of value.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/ukraine-transcript-trump.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/ukraine-transcript-trump.html)

https://youtu.be/fRK-xfInJk4

https://youtu.be/fRK-xfInJk4 (https://youtu.be/fRK-xfInJk4)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on September 25, 2019, 08:46:21 AM
I was listening to NPR this morning, something I rarely do these days, and the coverage of this was fascinating.  You can tell that Democrats are really worried about what this does to Biden's campaign.  Pelosi looked like a deer in headlights when she announced the new impeachment inquiry yesterday.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 25, 2019, 08:52:39 AM
I was listening to NPR this morning, something I rarely do these days, and the coverage of this was fascinating.  You can tell that Democrats are really worried about what this does to Biden's campaign.  Pelosi looked like a deer in headlights when she announced the new impeachment inquiry yesterday.

Don't read too far into that. That is her resting bitch face, post plastic surgery frozen surprise look...she can't help it. ;) >:D
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: zubs on September 25, 2019, 08:57:59 AM
#3 looked really happy giving the impeachment news.  Like a giddy teenager opening up a present.  You can see her smiling as she talked.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 25, 2019, 11:14:08 AM
hello, yes, can i get one big nothingburger with extra cheese please?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 25, 2019, 11:21:19 AM
I'm so full of nothinburgers. I need something with meat.  I think Bo knows meat!?

https://youtu.be/AXVAiFBEpwA

https://youtu.be/AXVAiFBEpwA (https://youtu.be/AXVAiFBEpwA)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 25, 2019, 11:22:20 AM
well, well, well....there appears to be a standing treaty with the ukraine to collaborate on legal matters which provides for" Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint, confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the requested state."

can't stop winning!

(https://i.imgur.com/rwzao0S.jpg)

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 25, 2019, 11:32:54 AM
or he can blame it on R?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 25, 2019, 09:11:18 PM
I agree with Nancy Pelosi 1998!!

https://youtu.be/24m04UuZzFc

https://youtu.be/24m04UuZzFc (https://youtu.be/24m04UuZzFc)

https://youtu.be/pUtD5e4L9QU

https://youtu.be/pUtD5e4L9QU (https://youtu.be/pUtD5e4L9QU)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on September 26, 2019, 07:52:11 AM
Personally,i think the Dems should just do 30 second spots reading the release cliff notes.

Trump: American does so much for you, Europe does nothing. We do so much, you don't do much back.
Zelensky: yes, yes, we want to do more.  We're ready to buy more Javelins.
Trump: I want you to do us a favor..  Server. Mueller, bad bad.
Zelensky: yes, yes, i understand
Trump: oh and Biden and Prosecutor, very bad. Rudy and Barr will call you.
Zelensky: yes yes 100% my guy will fix.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: aquabliss on September 26, 2019, 08:01:45 AM
Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode with the Russian cable guy.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 26, 2019, 08:21:20 AM
I support impeachment...100%!!

Why a Trump Impeachment Should Terrify You

Any scenario is possible, including one in which impeachment redounds to Trump’s benefit and increases the chances of his re-election, because he paints himself a martyr, eludes conviction in the Senate, frames that as exoneration and watches his fans mobilize and turn out as never before. And a second Trump term wouldn’t just be the sadly suboptimal byproduct of a noble stand; it would be disastrous. Morally as well as practically, limiting this unfit, amoral, unsteady man’s time in the presidency takes precedence over any small cluster of sentences written centuries ago.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-a-trump-impeachment-should-terrify-you/ar-AAHPIDl (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-a-trump-impeachment-should-terrify-you/ar-AAHPIDl)

Dems' Inquiry Won't End Trump's Term, But May Get Him a Second

Donald Trump is the president of the United States, and the Democrats appear bound and determined to ensure that he remains in that position for another four years.

That’s the bottom-line takeaway from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s decision to open a formal “impeachment inquiry.” Donald Trump is not going to be removed from office. There is no shortcut to overturning the 2016 election. This is just the latest in a long line of increasingly weak attempts by House Democrats to discredit the president, and the inevitable futility of this effort is crucial to understanding the Democrats’ true motivations.


There’s practically zero chance that they are actually going to impeach the president over this Ukraine nonsense. It’s just too silly, especially considering that we already had to go through 2 ½ years of Russiagate, only to find out that there was never any “there” there

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/26/dems_inquiry_wont_end_trumps_term_but_may_get_him_a_second_141345.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/26/dems_inquiry_wont_end_trumps_term_but_may_get_him_a_second_141345.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: nosuchreality on September 26, 2019, 08:32:54 AM
Don't worry about impeachment, just have regular people in the contested markets read Trump and Zelensky out loud on camera for TV ads.  Just read the last half of page 2 to top of page 4.

Two regular registered Republicans. Have them read it on camera out loud. Just play it.  Kind of like those Chevy commercials.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript.html

No spin doctors, no stats, no posturing in Congress.  Just read that shit out loud and let people hear the President's words straight the fuck up.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 26, 2019, 12:26:23 PM
here it is folks, the deep state hard at work!  doesn't it seem odd that the whistleblower report released today looked like it was written by a high paid attorney?  i wonder which dnc law firm is representing this goon?

Quote
NY Times: Whistleblower is a CIA officer

The whistleblower whose complaint alleged that President Trump tried to get Ukraine to launch an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden is a CIA officer, The New York Times reported Thursday, citing three people familiar with his identity.

The officer was reportedly working in the White House at one point and has returned to the intelligence agency, according to the newspaper.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/463244-nyt-whistleblower-is-a-cia-officer (https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/463244-nyt-whistleblower-is-a-cia-officer)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 26, 2019, 12:31:02 PM
It just got better. Trump dragged Mike Pence into the scandal.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-pence-ukraine-phone-calls-1512771
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on September 26, 2019, 12:41:12 PM
here it is folks, the deep state hard at work!  doesn't it seem odd that the whistleblower report released today looked like it was written by a high paid attorney?  i wonder which dnc law firm is representing this goon?

Quote
NY Times: Whistleblower is a CIA officer

The whistleblower whose complaint alleged that President Trump tried to get Ukraine to launch an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden is a CIA officer, The New York Times reported Thursday, citing three people familiar with his identity.

The officer was reportedly working in the White House at one point and has returned to the intelligence agency, according to the newspaper.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/463244-nyt-whistleblower-is-a-cia-officer (https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/463244-nyt-whistleblower-is-a-cia-officer)

Hillary's old lawyer.....

Meet the Attorneys Representing the Whistleblower Who Helped Launch the Impeachment Inquiry

Bakaj also served at the State Department, and worked for Democratic senators Daniel Moynihan, Charles Schumer, and Hillary Clinton earlier in his career.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/09/24/meet-the-attorneys-representing-the-whistleblower-who-helped-launch-the-impeachment-inquiry/ (https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/09/24/meet-the-attorneys-representing-the-whistleblower-who-helped-launch-the-impeachment-inquiry/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 26, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
here it is folks, the deep state hard at work!  doesn't it seem odd that the whistleblower report released today looked like it was written by a high paid attorney?  i wonder which dnc law firm is representing this goon?

Quote
NY Times: Whistleblower is a CIA officer

The whistleblower whose complaint alleged that President Trump tried to get Ukraine to launch an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden is a CIA officer, The New York Times reported Thursday, citing three people familiar with his identity.

The officer was reportedly working in the White House at one point and has returned to the intelligence agency, according to the newspaper.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/463244-nyt-whistleblower-is-a-cia-officer (https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/463244-nyt-whistleblower-is-a-cia-officer)

Hillary's old lawyer.....

Meet the Attorneys Representing the Whistleblower Who Helped Launch the Impeachment Inquiry

Bakaj also served at the State Department, and worked for Democratic senators Daniel Moynihan, Charles Schumer, and Hillary Clinton earlier in his career.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/09/24/meet-the-attorneys-representing-the-whistleblower-who-helped-launch-the-impeachment-inquiry/ (https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/09/24/meet-the-attorneys-representing-the-whistleblower-who-helped-launch-the-impeachment-inquiry/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on September 26, 2019, 04:01:13 PM
Don't worry about impeachment, just have regular people in the contested markets read Trump and Zelensky out loud on camera for TV ads.  Just read the last half of page 2 to top of page 4.

Two regular registered Republicans. Have them read it on camera out loud. Just play it.  Kind of like those Chevy commercials.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript.html

No spin doctors, no stats, no posturing in Congress.  Just read that shit out loud and let people hear the President's words straight the fuck up.

You really didn't learn anything from 2016 did you?
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 26, 2019, 04:18:29 PM
Don't worry about impeachment, just have regular people in the contested markets read Trump and Zelensky out loud on camera for TV ads.  Just read the last half of page 2 to top of page 4.

Two regular registered Republicans. Have them read it on camera out loud. Just play it.  Kind of like those Chevy commercials.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript.html

No spin doctors, no stats, no posturing in Congress.  Just read that shit out loud and let people hear the President's words straight the fuck up.

You really didn't learn anything from 2016 did you?

(https://media.tenor.com/images/9c321983c130f09c7f37eb6bc4083f4d/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 26, 2019, 04:21:34 PM
They will throw in the towel. Easy win
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 26, 2019, 04:23:49 PM
It just got better. Trump dragged Mike Pence into the scandal.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-pence-ukraine-phone-calls-1512771

Giuliani draws Pompeo into Ukraine maelstrom

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/25/trump-ukraine-giuliani-mike-pompeo-000294

More like the tag game. Your it. I’m not it. Because that guy was involved.

I can’t keep up.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 26, 2019, 04:33:11 PM
I see a lot of gifs on Twitter of Pelosi putting her shades on when she visited the White House.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 26, 2019, 05:26:40 PM
the left: trump was withholding aid from ukraine!

biden: hold my dentures

(https://i.imgur.com/osc7DfF.png)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 27, 2019, 03:02:24 PM
how convenient!

Quote
Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge

Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/ (https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 27, 2019, 04:08:57 PM
It just got better. Trump dragged Mike Pence into the scandal.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-pence-ukraine-phone-calls-1512771

Giuliani draws Pompeo into Ukraine maelstrom

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/25/trump-ukraine-giuliani-mike-pompeo-000294

More like the tag game. Your it. I’m not it. Because that guy was involved.

I can’t keep up.

Let the Blame game begin.

https://www.newsweek.com/giuliani-state-department-ukraine-text-messages-trump-biden-whistleblower-1461741
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: zubs on September 27, 2019, 04:13:53 PM
To me, it looks like giuliani is really scared, and that is really scaring the cheeto in chief.  It goes to show you why so many people refuse to be part of trumps circle.  Sooner or later you're going to jail, or fighting off people wanting to put you in jail.  Who needs that stress?


If you work for trump, eventually you're gonna have to do some illegal shit....better resign or become a whistleblower.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 27, 2019, 04:36:01 PM
It just got better. Trump dragged Mike Pence into the scandal.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-pence-ukraine-phone-calls-1512771

Giuliani draws Pompeo into Ukraine maelstrom

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/25/trump-ukraine-giuliani-mike-pompeo-000294

More like the tag game. Your it. I’m not it. Because that guy was involved.

I can’t keep up.

Let the Blame game begin.

https://www.newsweek.com/giuliani-state-department-ukraine-text-messages-trump-biden-whistleblower-1461741

I think this might be a better article.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/27/20887170/rudy-giuliani-text-messages-ukraine-fox-news-state-department-volker

Click the video via Twitter of Guliani reading text while on Fox News.


This is another article that shows him talk about the texts (same video but longer)

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/giuliani-fires-back-at-kamala-harris-call-for-his-disbarment-by-showing-giant-texts-from-state-dept-on-big-ipad/
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 30, 2019, 11:53:31 AM
Trying to defend Trump, GOP leader caught off guard by reality

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trying-defend-trump-gop-leader-caught-guard-reality
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Liar Loan on September 30, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Trying to defend Trump, GOP leader caught off guard by reality

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trying-defend-trump-gop-leader-caught-guard-reality


Trump did ask for a favor... regarding the Ukrainian firm Crowdstrike and in the context of the ongoing DOJ investigation into how the Russia collusion probe started.

Quote
The President:  I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation.. I think you are surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you say yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

It's funny how that context is conspicuously left out of the MSNBC segment, and they imply that the "favor" had something to do with investigating Biden's son.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on September 30, 2019, 01:06:42 PM
Trying to defend Trump, GOP leader caught off guard by reality

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trying-defend-trump-gop-leader-caught-guard-reality


Trump did ask for a favor... regarding the Ukrainian firm Crowdstrike and in the context of the ongoing DOJ investigation into how the Russia collusion probe started.

Quote
The President:  I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation.. I think you are surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you say yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

It's funny how that context is conspicuously left out of the MSNBC segment, and they imply that the "favor" had something to do with investigating Biden's son.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

no no no, context doesn't matter! 

just like how trump said there are fine people on both sides, but 2 seconds earlier said neo-nazis and white supremacists should be condemned....that part doesn't matter!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on September 30, 2019, 01:36:15 PM
It just got better. Trump dragged Mike Pence into the scandal.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-pence-ukraine-phone-calls-1512771

Giuliani draws Pompeo into Ukraine maelstrom

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/25/trump-ukraine-giuliani-mike-pompeo-000294

More like the tag game. Your it. I’m not it. Because that guy was involved.

I can’t keep up.

Let the Blame game begin.

https://www.newsweek.com/giuliani-state-department-ukraine-text-messages-trump-biden-whistleblower-1461741

“Politico Article: Ukraine envoy resigns amid scandal consuming Trump’s presidency

Volker's decision to leave comes a day after Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, claimed that Volker had asked him to talk to Ukrainian officials

On Thursday, Giuliani publicly shared what he said were text messages from Volker. One of the messages, dated July 19, shows Volker telling Giuliani he “really enjoyed breakfast this morning” before adding: “As discussed, connecting you here with Andrey Yermak, who is very close to President Zelensky. I suggest we schedule a call together on Monday – maybe 10am or 11am Washington time?”

Giuliani revealed the text messages, he said in a Fox News appearance on Thursday evening, to bolster his claim that he was fulfilling a State Department request to meet with Ukrainian officials. “He should step forward and explain what he did,” Giuliani told host Laura Ingraham, referring to Volker.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/27/trump-ukraine-kurt-volker-rudy-giuliani-007212
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 01, 2019, 12:34:15 PM
Did you mark my words?

What's the over/under on when he starts attacking Biden's dead wife and kids?

He might but i guarantee he will sink his teeth deep into Hunter. 

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived

 Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived)

If you think Trumps kids are an anchor and crazy they got nothin on Bidens kid....

Meet Hunter Biden's new wife! Just weeks after splitting up with his brother Beau's widow, the vice president's son secretly marries world-traveling South African activist

Joe Biden's son Hunter, 49, married Melissa Cohen, from South Africa, in Los Angeles in mid-May
Hunter used an instant marriage company to marry Cohen, and the hasty vows hint that Joe and the rest of the Bidens were not in attendance for the big day
A friend of Cohen said she lived in Los Angeles and the newlyweds met in May, having a whirlwind romance and getting matching tattoos 
On Sunday, Jill Biden posted a family photo celebrating Hunter's daughter Maisy's graduation from high school but absent was Hunter's new wife 
In late April, reports surfaced Hunter had called it quits with his late brother Beau's widow Hallie after two years of dating
At the beginning of their relationship, Hunter was still married to his then-wife Kathleen, though they had been estranged. That divorce was finalized in 2017

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7133497/Joe-Bidens-son-Hunter-secretly-tied-knot-South-African-woman-month.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7133497/Joe-Bidens-son-Hunter-secretly-tied-knot-South-African-woman-month.html)

Apple meet tree...this guy is such a colossal douche bag, he will drag his father to the bottom with him...Trump will float.


Embattled Hunter Biden privately admitted he IS the father of one-year-old baby of 28-year-old Arkansas woman but continues to deny it publicly, child's mother claims as she demands he submit to a paternity test

Hunter Biden, 49, admitted to Lunden Roberts he is the father of her child but continues to lie about it to the press, Roberts claims in court docs filed Monday
Former college basketball player Roberts filed a petition for paternity and support in May alleging Biden was the biological father of her one-year-old baby
Roberts, 28, asked the court to 'establish paternity' while seeking child support, health insurance and legal fees
Hunter has previously denied all allegations and demanded the suit be tossed
The mom from Batesville, Arkansas, is refusing to speak about her relationship with Biden who is 20 years older than her
Her claim comes as Hunter faces scrutiny over his business dealings in Ukraine and whether or not his father Joe, then vice president, used his influence to avoid his son's prosecution

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7524947/Hunter-Biden-privately-ADMITTED-hes-father-one-year-old-baby-Arkansas-woman.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7524947/Hunter-Biden-privately-ADMITTED-hes-father-one-year-old-baby-Arkansas-woman.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 01, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
The chicken guy is a pro at disinformation.
Has the nerve to attack a Big American restaurant as he called them idiots. But he doesn’t go to his best man at his wedding chicken place that is foreign owned. (He doesn’t prefer to go there he said lol)

Give me a big break. Get out of here!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 01, 2019, 12:56:50 PM
The chicken guy is a pro at disinformation.
Has the nerve to attack a Big American restaurant as he called them idiots. But he doesn’t go to his best man at his wedding chicken place that is foreign owned. (He doesn’t prefer to go there he said lol)

Give me a big break. Get out of here!

How about you don’t talk about American Restaurants? (I have no affiliation with the restaurants, but just protecting US Restaurants)

It’s really sad. I think this is what you called foreign disinformation. Not by me not at all.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 01, 2019, 01:20:54 PM
If there is nothing to hide. Why not go in front of the committee? Making comments on the news, but hiding from the committee is kind of comical.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 01, 2019, 01:25:54 PM
Let me correct my statement he called the patrons idiots because of madness regarding the sold out chicken sandwiches. Really sad

The chicken guy is a pro at disinformation.
Has the nerve to attack a Big American restaurant as he called them idiots. But he doesn’t go to his best man at his wedding chicken place that is foreign owned. (He doesn’t prefer to go there he said lol)

Give me a big break. Get out of here!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 01, 2019, 01:44:16 PM
eyephone, you're ranting about chicken sandwiches again.  stay on topic buddy!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 01, 2019, 01:45:24 PM
eyephone, you're ranting about chicken sandwiches again.  stay on topic buddy!

I did. But I am concerned about his loyalty to the US.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 01, 2019, 01:51:52 PM
I talked about testifying in front of the committee.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 02, 2019, 02:00:01 PM
liddle adam schitt caught lying again?  i'm shocked, shocked i tell you!

Quote
Trump says Schiff 'helped write' whistleblower complaint, after House panel admits advance knowledge

A spokesman for House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., acknowledged Wednesday that the whistleblower alleging misconduct in the White House had reached out to Schiff's panel before filing a complaint -- prompting President Trump, in an extraordinary afternoon news conference at the White House, to accuse Schiff directly of helping write the document.

Schiff had previously claimed in a televised interview that "we have not spoken directly with the whistleblower."

"It shows that Schiff is a fraud. ... I think it's a scandal that he knew before," Trump said, as the president of Finland stood at an adjacent podium. "I'd go a step further. I'd say he probably helped write it. ... That's a big story. He knew long before, and he helped write it too. It's a scam."

Referring to Schiff  -- who has long claimed to have surefire evidence that Trump illegally conspired with Russians -- as "Shifty Schiff," Trump characterized Democrats' impeachment inquiry as a "fraudulent crime on the American people."

Earlier in the day, Trump described the inquiry as "BULLS---," and mocked Schiff as a partisan "lowlife." Trump specifically derided Schiff for reciting an inaccurate, exaggerated version of a transcript of Trump's fateful July call with Ukraine's leader -- a move that Schiff himself later acknowledged was a "parody."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-adam-schiff-write-whistleblower-complaint-advance-knowledge (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-adam-schiff-write-whistleblower-complaint-advance-knowledge)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 04, 2019, 05:36:44 PM
Yes it’s illegal and immoral to ask a foreign government to aid in the investigation of a political adversary,....right?

CLINTON:  That`s right.  And not only that, China, if you`re listening, why don`t you get Trump`s tax returns.  I`m sure our media would richly reward you.

http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2019-05-01 (http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2019-05-01)

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: zubs on October 07, 2019, 11:15:50 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGN1-3uUUAAwUSQ.jpg)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 15, 2019, 10:08:41 AM
NBC Article:Bolton wanted White House lawyers alerted to Ukrainian efforts, called it 'drug deal,' witness tells Congress

Former Russian analyst Fiona Hill testified to members of Congress on Monday behind closed doors.

Former national security adviser John Bolton was so disturbed by the efforts to get the Ukrainians to investigate President Donald Trump’s political opponents that he called it a “drug deal,” former White House official Fiona Hill reportedly told Congress on Monday.

Hill, the former top Europe expert in Trump’s White House, testified that Bolton told her he wanted no part of the effort that involved acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, a person in the room for Hill’s testimony told NBC News. Bolton also was said to have referred to Rudy Giuliani as a "hand g______." (Censored)

Giuliani said that he was disappointed to learn about Bolton's reported comments.

"I always liked and respected John," the president's personal attorney said after hearing about the testimony. "I’m very disappointed that his bitterness drives him to attack a friend falsely and in a very personal way. It’s really ironic that John Bolton is calling anyone else a hand grenade. When John is described by many as an atomic bomb."

Requests for comment to the White House and Bolton were not immediately returned Monday night.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/bolton-wanted-white-house-lawyers-alerted-ukrainian-efforts-called-it-n1066141

Get the popcorn out or chips and salsa or veggies for the healthy peeps. Finger pointing, blame game, text messages
Rudy get back on tv and let’s hear more. Lol

Looking into the future: I see a book deal, movie, television series

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 15, 2019, 11:04:37 AM
Much like the gun control thread...lots of blah blah blah... nothing will happen

How do you know before the investigation is over?
This is coming from the guy that said they will find nothing or nothing will come out. (I can tell you this, a shit load is coming out. Lol)

I'll say it again (and be right...again).  Nothing will happen to Trump.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 15, 2019, 11:05:16 AM
This time people are talking...
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 15, 2019, 11:12:26 AM
This time people are talking...

...and no one talked to Mueller?  Good luck with that.  Nothing will happen, mark my words. This half assed impeachment will guarantee his re election....bring it...winning!
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: Kings on October 15, 2019, 11:27:08 AM
This time people are talking...

...and no one talked to Mueller?  Good luck with that.  Nothing will happen, mark my words. This half assed impeachment will guarantee his re election....bring it...winning!

everyone likes an underdog and nobody likes being told what to do.  that's part of the reason why trump won, why the uk voted for brexit, etc.

when you're throwing baseless accusations, backed by the entire media landscape telling you how to think and feel, compounded with fake new and hoax investigations...ya think after 4 straight years people are going to be fed up? 

trump 2020 landslide incoming
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 15, 2019, 11:54:57 AM
This time people are talking...

...and no one talked to Mueller?  Good luck with that.  Nothing will happen, mark my words. This half assed impeachment will guarantee his re election....bring it...winning!

Is that all you can say winning?

The same guy that thinks every person that enters the naval academy becomes a pilot. (even though the official website says the opposite)

#misinformation
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 15, 2019, 11:57:24 AM
This is like foreign interference as you say you have ties to the Philippines government.

I don’t know if it’s true. But I have to call it out. I’m just reading your posts.

Sometimes when a person lies too much, that they don’t know what the truth is. But maybe you didn’t lie. So I don’t know.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 15, 2019, 02:06:07 PM
Ok, let me spell it out...It’s a trap Admiral Akbar!!  Lure them in to kill their own moderate candidate (Biden) leaving them with only Iron Eyes Cody to run a radical left campaign that chunks of their own people hate...beat her like a deerskin drum in the general...all too easy...Winning!

https://youtu.be/wk-6DPrcMv4

https://youtu.be/wk-6DPrcMv4 (https://youtu.be/wk-6DPrcMv4)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 15, 2019, 02:14:06 PM
This is like foreign interference as you say you have ties to the Philippines government.

I don’t know if it’s true. But I have to call it out. I’m just reading your posts.

Sometimes when a person lies too much, that they don’t know what the truth is. But maybe you didn’t lie. So I don’t know.

It must be true.. He didn’t dispute it.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 15, 2019, 06:11:06 PM
Poker not tennis.

Nancy Pelosi says she will NOT hold an immediate House vote on impeachment in line with White House demands and says: 'We're not here to call bluffs. We're here to find the truth'


Pelosi is sparing vulnerable Democrats a politically tough vote

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7577659/Nancy-Pelosi-says-NOT-hold-immediate-House-vote-impeachment.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7577659/Nancy-Pelosi-says-NOT-hold-immediate-House-vote-impeachment.html)
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 16, 2019, 09:01:38 AM
Double Standard? Attack Biden how about Trump’s kids.

Donald Trump’s Sons Have Sold More Than $100 Million Of His Real Estate Since He Took Office

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/10/02/donald-trump-has-sold-more-than-100-million-of-real-estate-since-taking-office/#417c12181090

Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: morekaos on October 16, 2019, 09:16:57 AM
....for a company they have worked for all their lives.  Lots of history there prior to even thinking of holding office.  All these Dem kids piled in when daddy was running foreign policy and holding influence over the areas in question...totally different.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 16, 2019, 09:32:02 AM
....for a company they have worked for all their lives.  Lots of history there prior to even thinking of holding office.  All these Dem kids piled in when daddy was running foreign policy and holding influence over the areas in question...totally different.

Same thing...it doesn’t matter if you were in before or after.

Another right wing spin or shall I say Philippines spin. No wonder why you don’t like Canada. Because the Philippines is having a dispute with Canada over recycle trash. It all makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: The Investigation
Post by: eyephone on October 16, 2019, 09:34:12 AM
A Trump hotel mystery: Giant reservations followed by empty rooms

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/02/trump-hotel-empty-r