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Title: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on September 19, 2017, 02:18:27 PM
Now even top scientists are becoming "deniers".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/experts-admit-global-warming-predictions-wrong/news-story/fa5d90b23d16eb08e7d0d6b14d1bbf0c

Experts admit global warming predictions wrong

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The worst impacts of climate change can still be avoided, senior scientists have said after revising their previous predictions.

The world has warmed more slowly than had been forecast by computer models, which were “on the hot side” and overstated the impact of emissions, a new study has found. Its projections suggest that the world has a better chance than previously claimed of meeting the goal set by the Paris agreement on climate change to limit warming to 1.5C above pre-industrial levels.

The study, published in the journal Nature Geoscience, makes clear that rapid reductions in emissions will still be required but suggests that the world has more time to make the changes.

Michael Grubb, professor of international energy and climate change at University College London and one of the study’s authors, admitted that his past prediction had been wrong.

He stated during the climate summit in Paris in December 2015: “All the evidence from the past 15 years leads me to conclude that actually delivering 1.5C is simply incompatible with democracy.” He told The Times yesterday: “When the facts change, I change my mind, as [John Maynard] Keynes said. It’s still likely to be very difficult to achieve these kind of changes quickly enough but we are in a better place than I thought.”

The latest study found that a group of computer models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had predicted a more rapid temperature increase than had taken place. Global average temperature has risen by about 0.9C since pre-industrial times but there was a slowdown in the rate of warming for 15 years before 2014.

Myles Allen, professor of geosystem science at the University of Oxford and another author, said: “We haven’t seen that rapid acceleration in warming after 2000 that we see in the models. We haven’t seen that in the observations.” He added that the group of about a dozen computer models, produced by government institutes and universities around the world, had been assembled a decade ago “so it’s not that surprising that it’s starting to divert a little bit from observations”. Too many of the models used “were on the hot side”, meaning they forecast too much warming.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 19, 2017, 02:29:36 PM
And our fearless leader says....

Jerry Brown compares Trump supporters to cave dwellers

By DAVID SIDERS 09/18/2017 02:16 PM EDT

California Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday called President Donald Trump’s approach to climate change and North Korea “stupid and dangerous and silly,” sharpening his criticism of the president and comparing his supporters to cave dwellers.

“They’re both kind of very similar,” Brown said at a climate change event in New York. “You should check out the derivation of ‘Trump-ite’ and ‘troglodyte,’ because they both refer to people who dwell in deep, dark caves.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/18/jerry-brown-criticize-trump-supporters-242846 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/18/jerry-brown-criticize-trump-supporters-242846)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on September 20, 2017, 10:33:22 PM
And our fearless leader says....

Jerry Brown compares Trump supporters to cave dwellers

By DAVID SIDERS 09/18/2017 02:16 PM EDT

California Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday called President Donald Trump’s approach to climate change and North Korea “stupid and dangerous and silly,” sharpening his criticism of the president and comparing his supporters to cave dwellers.

“They’re both kind of very similar,” Brown said at a climate change event in New York. “You should check out the derivation of ‘Trump-ite’ and ‘troglodyte,’ because they both refer to people who dwell in deep, dark caves.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/18/jerry-brown-criticize-trump-supporters-242846 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/18/jerry-brown-criticize-trump-supporters-242846)

Moonbeam should mind his business and focus on bringing corporations back to CA. 
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on September 21, 2017, 02:09:37 PM
Moonbeam should mind his business and focus on bringing corporations back to CA. 

The Politician Behind California High Speed Rail Now Says It's 'Almost a Crime'
Quentin Kopp convinced voters to approve the project. Now he's suing to kill it.

California's high speed rail line was sold to voters on the bold promise that it will someday whisk passengers between San Francisco and Los Angeles in under three hours. Nine years later, the project has turned into such a disaster that its biggest political champion is now suing to stop it.

An icon of California politics known as the "Great Dissenter," Quentin L. Kopp introduced the legislation that established the rail line, and became chairman of the High-Speed Rail Authority. He helped convince voters in 2008 to hand over $9 billion in bonds to the Rail Authority to get the project going. Since he left, Kopp says the agency mangled his plans.

"It is foolish, and it is almost a crime to sell bonds and encumber the taxpayers of California at a time when this is no longer high-speed rail," says Kopp. "And the litigation, which is pending, will result, I am confident, in the termination of the High-Speed Rail Authority's deceiving plan."

Voters supported the bond measure to pay for construction on the condition that the train would be self-sustaining. But multiple outside analyses conclude that the Rail Authority will have to massively hike ticket prices or rely on taxpayer largess. According to one recent estimate, the project's latest iteration would suck up at least $100 million in annual subsidies.

Since 2008, lawsuits have multiplied, private investors have fled, and even the official price tag has nearly doubled, from $33 billion to $64 billion. When the legislature cleared the way for the Rail Authority to begin selling the voter-approved bonds in early 2017 to fund construction, the agency declared it a "milestone."

Kopp was livid.

"It's deceit. That's not a milestone, it's desperation, because High-Speed Rail Authority is out of money," Kopp told Reason.

As for the often-promised environmental benefits of high-speed rail, Flashman acknowledges they won't materialize in California. Rail lines around the world have failed to remove cars from the road, and according to Feigenbaum, the initial construction of the California line alone would release more greenhouse gases than the train could recoup in 80 years.

California's project will be both the slowest bullet train in the world—and the most expensive. The Rail Authority cut costs by using track mixed with conventional rail, which means the train won't reach the speeds they promise. Coupled with a sinewy route that winds its way between endpoints, that means it will never go from Los Angeles to San Francisco in the promised 2 hours and 40 minutes.

The train, if it ever comes to pass, will also be competing with air travel at a time when a new generation of quiet supersonic planes is about to take flight. Autonomous vehicles will soon give passengers the same freedom to sleep, work, or read as train travelers. And then there's Elon Musk's plans for hyperloop pod transport in a near-vacuum tube at speeds up to 800 miles per hour.

"If government gets out of the way of deciding which transportation modes we need in the future," says Feigenbaum, "the private sector will do a much better job of innovating and creating profitable transportation modes that people want to use, instead of locking in a sub-optimal choice from the nineteenth century."

http://reason.com/reasontv/2017/09/20/quentin-kopp-bullet-train-flashman
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: HMart on September 21, 2017, 04:29:00 PM
http://reason.com/reasontv/2017/09/20/quentin-kopp-bullet-train-flashman

If you want to go full libertarian, freeways in California should become toll roads. "user fees" instead of subsidized infrastructure handouts to drivers. "User pays" principle is completely eroded since gas taxes have gone down in real dollars while costs have gone up. http://reason.com/blog/2015/11/20/how-to-fix-southern-californias-traffic

Then let's talk about private transportation solutions.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on September 22, 2017, 09:06:13 AM
I think the difference is that our freeways get used by tens of millions of people every day.  The slow-speed "bullet" train would probably have ridership in the hundreds.  I'm fine with using tolls to pay for new freeways - I use the 241 every day - but what I don't like is this idea of charging tolls for existing freeways that taxpayers have already funded.  For example, they want to create a toll lane on the 405 in north Orange County.  That's just wrong.

The argument is often made that the gas tax is too low, but it's only going to get worse with electric/hybrid vehicles becoming more popular, so why don't they just eliminate the gas tax and create a new tax on vehicle registrations.  People with more expensive cars would pay more and people with junkers would pay the least.  That would be much fairer than the gas tax which is a highly regressive tax that hits poor people the hardest.

That's another Jerry Brown contradiction.  He's supposedly a liberal that believes in taxing the rich and helping the poor, but then he jacks the gas tax up by 30 cents a gallon.  Poor people are not the ones driving electric vehicles and they have the longest commutes from the IE, so they are getting hurt the most by this.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: HMart on September 22, 2017, 10:12:25 AM
You could look at it just from an economic demand-management perspective. I drive the 405 every day into Irvine (shock, I don't live in Irvine right now) and wish there was a toll lane on the 405. When a good is priced too low, demand is sky high. The fact that the gas tax is actually not enough to cover costs is a related concept but not the only factor in play. You're right that the gas tax is not a perfect proxy for number of miles driven--ideal would be Fastrak everywhere. A fundamental libertarian principle is that users pay for what they use, so vehicle registration is a terrible way to tax people for using roads since many junkers get driven more than expensive cars.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 22, 2017, 11:25:08 AM
This topic makes my head...

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 22, 2017, 11:32:11 AM
http://reason.com/reasontv/2017/09/20/quentin-kopp-bullet-train-flashman

If you want to go full libertarian, freeways in California should become toll roads. "user fees" instead of subsidized infrastructure handouts to drivers. "User pays" principle is completely eroded since gas taxes have gone down in real dollars while costs have gone up. http://reason.com/blog/2015/11/20/how-to-fix-southern-californias-traffic

Then let's talk about private transportation solutions.

Are you joking? More toll roads? (In my opinion it's another form of a tax.)
Aren't we paying extra gas tax for California infrastructure?

If you go to NY and NJ toll roads galore in general. (Pass on that)

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on January 24, 2018, 06:07:43 AM
Irony is so ironic.

Scientists Get Buried In Snow At Davos While Lecturing On Global Warming

Climate scientists hope their mock camp illustrates how global warming could impact the Arctic, but the “Gore effect” may make it harder to get the message across. Davos has seen frigid temperatures along with about six feet of snow in the last six days.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/23/davos-scientists-snow-switzerland-world-economic-forum/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/23/davos-scientists-snow-switzerland-world-economic-forum/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on April 25, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
Ooops...

Climate change is ‘not as bad as we thought’ say scientists

CLIMATE change is likely to be markedly less severe than forecast, a study claimed yesterday.

It predicted that the impact could be up to 45 per cent less intense than is widely accepted.

But the study emerged as other scientists said winter waves pounding the Scottish and Irish coasts have grown grow by up to 5ft 6in (1.7metres) over the past 70 years.

Rising sea levels and more intense storms are in line with global warming forecasts.

The study questioning the future intensity of climate change was carried out by American climatologist Judith Curry and UK mathematician Nick Lewis.

It is based on analysing the warming effect of greenhouse gases and other drivers of climate change, from the mid 19th century until 2016.

It forecast that future warming will be between 30 per cent and 45 per cent lower than suggested by simulations carried out by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel one Climate Change.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/950748/climate-change-scientists-impact-not-as-bad-on-planet (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/950748/climate-change-scientists-impact-not-as-bad-on-planet)

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on April 25, 2018, 10:38:25 AM

Climate scientists hope their mock camp illustrates how global warming could impact the Arctic, but the “Gore effect” may make it harder to get the message across. Davos has seen frigid temperatures along with about six feet of snow in the last six days.


The last time they had an EcoHypocrisy Conference at Davos, 1400 private jets flew in the High and Mighty, burning millions of gallons of nasty, evil fossil fuel, which they all pretend to hate.

Then there was another EcoHypocrisy Conference in Scandanavia, to which Prince Charles flew in his private jet while the Prime Minister flew in HIS private jet.

Why these EcoHypocrites don't videoconference is clear.  They can travel on other people's money and feel good about their mutual back-slapping, while wining and dining in posh resort hotels. 

I have an incredible link to the EcoHypocrite Conferences worldwide.  It seems like there's one every single day somewhere, to which hundreds can come and burn gasoline while preaching NOT burning any of it.

Here you are:

https://conferencealerts.com/topic-listing?topic=Environment
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on May 08, 2018, 02:15:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&t=452s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&t=452s)

Nobel Laureate in Physics, Ivar Giaever smashes the climate change hoax.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 08, 2018, 02:31:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&t=452s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&t=452s)

Nobel Laureate in Physics, Ivar Giaever smashes the climate change hoax.

Wow, looks like Climate Change has been proved wrong. Thanks YouTube.

Wait, except that's not how science works. The scientific consensus is that the globe is warming. Why dull humanities sharpest tool to fit your worldview by only linking the few scientists that disagree? You could paste 100 links with evidence of global warming for every one posted here denying it. 

Are you aware of the similar "debate" around leaded gasoline? Turns out the few scientists that didn't agree gasoline was causing the elevated lead levels were on the payroll of the lead companies. Follow the money, see who these dissenting voices are being funded by.

I think you profoundly underestimate the scientific community if you think the majority of them would support a hoax. If evidence is discovered that shows there is no global warming, the scientific consensus would likely change after careful review and validation of said evidence.

I'll state it again, science is our sharpest tool, don't dull it to protect your narrative.

The real debate should be the economic impact of global warming mitigation vs the actual cost of a warmed planet. Is it worth regulating our industries when other countries are not? Is the actual damage done by warming likely to be significant to warrant such restrictions and regulation? Just denying it is like putting your head in the ground and yelling la la la in the face of mountains of evidence.

A great blog if you want to learn more about weather, especially from a Californian perspective, is WeatherWest: http://weatherwest.com/

I recommend taking a look at some of those articles to get a better understanding of the changing climate and what climate scientists are actually thinking about (Hint: its not about the liberal conspiracy takeover of industry to stop a fake global warming)


Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on May 08, 2018, 04:09:22 PM
Define “consensus”.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 08, 2018, 04:19:32 PM
Define “consensus”.

Specifically, "Scientific Consensus"


"Scientific consensus is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity"

For a more in depth study of the modern process by which the scientific community reaches consensus see: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0003122410388488

Google returns numerous other results if you are interested further.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on May 09, 2018, 06:53:15 AM
“Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Florida estate to be submerged by rising sea levels due to climate change

Donald Trump once said climate change was a “hoax” invented by the Chinese but the phenomenon could be responsible for flooding his own Florida properties.

Environmental experts lined up to testify at a senate hearing on climate change this week, just four miles from Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, arguing that water could rise so high by the end of the century that the President’s own resorts would be damaged.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate-change-mar-a-lago-florida-flooded-sea-level-rise-global-warming-winter-white-a7677596.html

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on May 09, 2018, 07:50:51 AM
Not a problem..He'll build a wall.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on May 09, 2018, 08:07:07 AM
When the ecohypocrites aren't screaming "The end is near, the end is near," they're flying and driving all around the world, slapping each other on the back, and  proclaiming their own intellectual prowess.  Daily they fly and drive all around the world. Daily.

Here is a partial schedule of ecohypocrites' travels:

https://conferencealerts.com/topic-listing?topic=Environment
 (https://conferencealerts.com/topic-listing?topic=Environment)

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: paydawg on May 09, 2018, 08:49:20 AM
I think the difference is that our freeways get used by tens of millions of people every day.  The slow-speed "bullet" train would probably have ridership in the hundreds.  I'm fine with using tolls to pay for new freeways - I use the 241 every day - but what I don't like is this idea of charging tolls for existing freeways that taxpayers have already funded.  For example, they want to create a toll lane on the 405 in north Orange County.  That's just wrong.

The argument is often made that the gas tax is too low, but it's only going to get worse with electric/hybrid vehicles becoming more popular, so why don't they just eliminate the gas tax and create a new tax on vehicle registrations.  People with more expensive cars would pay more and people with junkers would pay the least.  That would be much fairer than the gas tax which is a highly regressive tax that hits poor people the hardest.

That's another Jerry Brown contradiction.  He's supposedly a liberal that believes in taxing the rich and helping the poor, but then he jacks the gas tax up by 30 cents a gallon.  Poor people are not the ones driving electric vehicles and they have the longest commutes from the IE, so they are getting hurt the most by this.

I like the idea of taxing vehicle registrations in lieu of the gas tax or a toll on freeways.  Owning a luxury car is a....luxury.  They should be taxed accordingly.  Commuting long distances is more out of necessity.  Also, imagine the traffic on all the surface streets in cities like Irvine if the freeways were no longer "free".
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on May 09, 2018, 09:42:40 AM
“Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Florida estate to be submerged by rising sea levels due to climate change

Donald Trump once said climate change was a “hoax” invented by the Chinese but the phenomenon could be responsible for flooding his own Florida properties.

Environmental experts lined up to testify at a senate hearing on climate change this week, just four miles from Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, arguing that water could rise so high by the end of the century that the President’s own resorts would be damaged.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate-change-mar-a-lago-florida-flooded-sea-level-rise-global-warming-winter-white-a7677596.html

This would be a prime example of something that is not scientific consensus.

Climate models are not science any more than a pipeline hedging model in the mortgage industry is science.  You can figure out which variables are the most predictive, and overlay a set of assumptions on those variables, but reality has a way of not cooperating with our human assumptions.

So to summarize, science is based on observable, repeatable results that are aggregated into datasets that can be studied.  The models built on top of those datasets are not science, but represent our best guesses about a whole host of variables, making them no more reliable than economic models or weather prediction models. 

They make for great discussion points and a way to test our theories, but they shouldn't be lumped into the same category as "scientific facts".
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on May 09, 2018, 09:58:39 AM
“Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Florida estate to be submerged by rising sea levels due to climate change

Donald Trump once said climate change was a “hoax” invented by the Chinese but the phenomenon could be responsible for flooding his own Florida properties.

Environmental experts lined up to testify at a senate hearing on climate change this week, just four miles from Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, arguing that water could rise so high by the end of the century that the President’s own resorts would be damaged.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate-change-mar-a-lago-florida-flooded-sea-level-rise-global-warming-winter-white-a7677596.html

This would be a prime example of something that is not scientific consensus.

Climate models are not science any more than a pipeline hedging model in the mortgage industry is science.  You can figure out which variables are the most predictive, and overlay a set of assumptions on those variables, but reality has a way of not cooperating with our human assumptions.

So to summarize, science is based on observable, repeatable results that are aggregated into datasets that can be studied.  The models built on top of those datasets are not science, but represent our best guesses about a whole host of variables, making them no more reliable than economic models or weather prediction models. 

They make for great discussion points and a way to test our theories, but they shouldn't be lumped into the same category as "scientific facts".

I don’t know (gray area)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 09, 2018, 09:59:30 AM
“Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Florida estate to be submerged by rising sea levels due to climate change

Donald Trump once said climate change was a “hoax” invented by the Chinese but the phenomenon could be responsible for flooding his own Florida properties.

Environmental experts lined up to testify at a senate hearing on climate change this week, just four miles from Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, arguing that water could rise so high by the end of the century that the President’s own resorts would be damaged.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate-change-mar-a-lago-florida-flooded-sea-level-rise-global-warming-winter-white-a7677596.html

This would be a prime example of something that is not scientific consensus.

Climate models are not science any more than a pipeline hedging model in the mortgage industry is science.  You can figure out which variables are the most predictive, and overlay a set of assumptions on those variables, but reality has a way of not cooperating with our human assumptions.

So to summarize, science is based on observable, repeatable results that are aggregated into datasets that can be studied.  The models built on top of those datasets are not science, but represent our best guesses about a whole host of variables, making them no more reliable than economic models or weather prediction models. 

They make for great discussion points and a way to test our theories, but they shouldn't be lumped into the same category as "scientific facts".

Sounds reasonable, but why should I believe you over many others who have spent years actually studying Climate models? Do you have a real understanding of climate models, or just enough knowledge of them to know they share some characteristics with financial models? This sounds like Dunning-Kruger affect at work.

(https://i0.wp.com/scubadiverlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/dunning.jpg?w=896&h=659&crop&ssl=1)

I'm inclined to trust those with experience in their field over a separate, but potentially similar, field. I'm not sure I believe that climate models equate to financial models, or that your expertise in that area gives you authority to make that assertion.

I'm not a client scientist either, so don't believe what I say, look to the huge number of scientists and work they've done showing that the globe is warming, it's caused by CO2, and it could cause us significant trouble if we don't get in front of it.

My point is, we've gotten to where we are now by trusting scientific consensus and using its insights to better ourselves. It has been our sharpest tool, allowing us to carve out a seat of power over this world that has enriched and elevated us. Why make exceptions now? Why do you equate your limited knowledge of climate science as equal or superior to the body of work that lays the foundation of the current consensus?

EDIT: Fixed image that didn't work for dunning kruger graph
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on May 09, 2018, 10:04:49 AM
How about this one?

“Trump Resort in Ireland Will Build Seawalls to Protect Against Climate Change

President Donald Trump will finally get the wall he's after. However, it won't be along the U.S.-Mexico border. An Irish council on Thursday granted approval for a wall to be built around part of Trump's golf course in Doonbeg, Ireland to protect it from water erosion, The New York Times reported.

In the first application, Trump cited "global warming and its effects," including rising sea levels and water erosion, as reasons for the wall, Politico reported, despite his statements calling global warming and climate change "a total hoax." Global warming was not listed as a reason in this application.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-12-22/trump-resort-in-ireland-will-build-seawalls-to-protect-against-climate-change%3fcontext=amp

My comment:
1. According to the article Trump mentioned global warming and its effects," including rising sea levels and water erosion, as reasons for the wall for the golf course in Ireland.
I guess he’s changed his mind?
2. Maybe he should think twice before buying or developing golf courses by the ocean.




Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on May 09, 2018, 10:15:49 AM
“Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Florida estate to be submerged by rising sea levels due to climate change

Donald Trump once said climate change was a “hoax” invented by the Chinese but the phenomenon could be responsible for flooding his own Florida properties.

Environmental experts lined up to testify at a senate hearing on climate change this week, just four miles from Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, arguing that water could rise so high by the end of the century that the President’s own resorts would be damaged.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate-change-mar-a-lago-florida-flooded-sea-level-rise-global-warming-winter-white-a7677596.html

This would be a prime example of something that is not scientific consensus.

Climate models are not science any more than a pipeline hedging model in the mortgage industry is science.  You can figure out which variables are the most predictive, and overlay a set of assumptions on those variables, but reality has a way of not cooperating with our human assumptions.

So to summarize, science is based on observable, repeatable results that are aggregated into datasets that can be studied.  The models built on top of those datasets are not science, but represent our best guesses about a whole host of variables, making them no more reliable than economic models or weather prediction models. 

They make for great discussion points and a way to test our theories, but they shouldn't be lumped into the same category as "scientific facts".

Sounds reasonable, but why should I believe you over many others who have spent years actually studying Climate models? Do you have a real understanding of climate models, or just enough knowledge of them to know they share some characteristics with financial models? This sounds like Dunning-Kruger affect at work.

(https://i0.wp.com/scubadiverlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/dunning.jpg?w=896&h=659&crop&ssl=1)

I'm inclined to trust those with experience in their field over a separate, but potentially similar, field. I'm not sure I believe that climate models equate to financial models, or that your expertise in that area gives you authority to make that assertion.

I'm not a client scientist either, so don't believe what I say, look to the huge number of scientists and work they've done showing that the globe is warming, it's caused by CO2, and it could cause us significant trouble if we don't get in front of it.

My point is, we've gotten to where we are now by trusting scientific consensus and using its insights to better ourselves. It has been our sharpest tool, allowing us to carve out a seat of power over this world that has enriched and elevated us. Why make exceptions now? Why do you equate your limited knowledge of climate science as equal or superior to the body of work that lays the foundation of the current consensus?

EDIT: Fixed image that didn't work for dunning kruger graph


It sounds like you agree with me that eyephone shouldn't be listened to.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on May 09, 2018, 10:17:11 AM
“Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Florida estate to be submerged by rising sea levels due to climate change

Donald Trump once said climate change was a “hoax” invented by the Chinese but the phenomenon could be responsible for flooding his own Florida properties.

Environmental experts lined up to testify at a senate hearing on climate change this week, just four miles from Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, arguing that water could rise so high by the end of the century that the President’s own resorts would be damaged.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate-change-mar-a-lago-florida-flooded-sea-level-rise-global-warming-winter-white-a7677596.html

This would be a prime example of something that is not scientific consensus.

Climate models are not science any more than a pipeline hedging model in the mortgage industry is science.  You can figure out which variables are the most predictive, and overlay a set of assumptions on those variables, but reality has a way of not cooperating with our human assumptions.

So to summarize, science is based on observable, repeatable results that are aggregated into datasets that can be studied.  The models built on top of those datasets are not science, but represent our best guesses about a whole host of variables, making them no more reliable than economic models or weather prediction models. 

They make for great discussion points and a way to test our theories, but they shouldn't be lumped into the same category as "scientific facts".

Sounds reasonable, but why should I believe you over many others who have spent years actually studying Climate models? Do you have a real understanding of climate models, or just enough knowledge of them to know they share some characteristics with financial models? This sounds like Dunning-Kruger affect at work.

(https://i0.wp.com/scubadiverlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/dunning.jpg?w=896&h=659&crop&ssl=1)

I'm inclined to trust those with experience in their field over a separate, but potentially similar, field. I'm not sure I believe that climate models equate to financial models, or that your expertise in that area gives you authority to make that assertion.

I'm not a client scientist either, so don't believe what I say, look to the huge number of scientists and work they've done showing that the globe is warming, it's caused by CO2, and it could cause us significant trouble if we don't get in front of it.

My point is, we've gotten to where we are now by trusting scientific consensus and using its insights to better ourselves. It has been our sharpest tool, allowing us to carve out a seat of power over this world that has enriched and elevated us. Why make exceptions now? Why do you equate your limited knowledge of climate science as equal or superior to the body of work that lays the foundation of the current consensus?

EDIT: Fixed image that didn't work for dunning kruger graph


It sounds like you agree with me that eyephone shouldn't be listened to.

Yeah don’t listen to me. TRUMP put global warming or something similar to that on his application to build the wall for his golf course in Ireland..
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on May 09, 2018, 10:18:34 AM
How about this one?

“Trump Resort in Ireland Will Build Seawalls to Protect Against Climate Change

President Donald Trump will finally get the wall he's after. However, it won't be along the U.S.-Mexico border. An Irish council on Thursday granted approval for a wall to be built around part of Trump's golf course in Doonbeg, Ireland to protect it from water erosion, The New York Times reported.

In the first application, Trump cited "global warming and its effects," including rising sea levels and water erosion, as reasons for the wall, Politico reported, despite his statements calling global warming and climate change "a total hoax." Global warming was not listed as a reason in this application.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-12-22/trump-resort-in-ireland-will-build-seawalls-to-protect-against-climate-change%3fcontext=amp

My comment:
1. According to the article Trump mentioned global warming and its effects," including rising sea levels and water erosion, as reasons for the wall for the golf course in Ireland.
I guess he’s changed his mind?
2. Maybe he should think twice before buying or developing golf courses by the ocean.

Trump was telling the local officials what they wanted to hear, using the buzzwords he knew would maximize his chances of permit approval.

This may surprise you but water erosion is something that has existed since the beginning of time.  It's not a new phenomenon.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on May 09, 2018, 10:19:37 AM
Yeah don’t listen to me. TRUMP put global warming or something similar to that on his application to build the wall for his golf course in Ireland..

Your beef is with inv0ke-epipen.  He's the one that wrote that dismissive missive against you.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on May 09, 2018, 10:20:23 AM
How about this one?

“Trump Resort in Ireland Will Build Seawalls to Protect Against Climate Change

President Donald Trump will finally get the wall he's after. However, it won't be along the U.S.-Mexico border. An Irish council on Thursday granted approval for a wall to be built around part of Trump's golf course in Doonbeg, Ireland to protect it from water erosion, The New York Times reported.

In the first application, Trump cited "global warming and its effects," including rising sea levels and water erosion, as reasons for the wall, Politico reported, despite his statements calling global warming and climate change "a total hoax." Global warming was not listed as a reason in this application.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-12-22/trump-resort-in-ireland-will-build-seawalls-to-protect-against-climate-change%3fcontext=amp

My comment:
1. According to the article Trump mentioned global warming and its effects," including rising sea levels and water erosion, as reasons for the wall for the golf course in Ireland.
I guess he’s changed his mind?
2. Maybe he should think twice before buying or developing golf courses by the ocean.

Trump was telling the local officials what they wanted to hear, using the buzzwords he knew would maximize his chances of permit approval.

This may surprise you but water erosion is something that has existed since the beginning of time.  It's not a new phenomenon.

I like that one. Tell them what they want to hear. Oh yeah

#minorleaguer
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on May 09, 2018, 10:26:15 AM
Eyephone - Have you ever been to Ireland?

(http://www.engineersjournal.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/coastal-erosion.jpg)

(https://www.awayaweewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/cliffs-at-causeway-1024x435.png)

(http://nomanbefore.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/IrishCoasts-1080x717.jpg)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 09, 2018, 01:04:53 PM

It sounds like you agree with me that eyephone shouldn't be listened to.

On climate science? Probably not, but he isn't making any assertions of his own that go against the scientific consensus.

Miami is probably the more interesting place to look at in regards to sea level rises http://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4

Though not as good of a headline as Trump's golf course sinking or whatever.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on May 09, 2018, 02:51:23 PM

It sounds like you agree with me that eyephone shouldn't be listened to.

On climate science? Probably not, but he isn't making any assertions of his own that go against the scientific consensus.

Yeah, but then again neither am I.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 09, 2018, 03:11:35 PM

It sounds like you agree with me that eyephone shouldn't be listened to.

On climate science? Probably not, but he isn't making any assertions of his own that go against the scientific consensus.

Yeah, but then again neither am I.

So you would agree with this statement? : "Climate models have already predicted many of the phenomena for which we now have empirical evidence. Climate models form a reliable guide to potential climate change."
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on May 09, 2018, 03:37:19 PM

It sounds like you agree with me that eyephone shouldn't be listened to.

On climate science? Probably not, but he isn't making any assertions of his own that go against the scientific consensus.

Yeah, but then again neither am I.

So you would agree with this statement? : "Climate models have already predicted many of the phenomena for which we now have empirical evidence. Climate models form a reliable guide to potential climate change."

I don't have sufficient data to either agree or disagree with either of those statements.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 09, 2018, 04:28:14 PM

It sounds like you agree with me that eyephone shouldn't be listened to.

On climate science? Probably not, but he isn't making any assertions of his own that go against the scientific consensus.

Yeah, but then again neither am I.

So you would agree with this statement? : "Climate models have already predicted many of the phenomena for which we now have empirical evidence. Climate models form a reliable guide to potential climate change."

I don't have sufficient data to either agree or disagree with either of those statements.

The current scientific consensus is that we DO have sufficient data to support those statements. Which is what I'm going with, because like I stated, scientific consensus has proved to be our best tool over the past centuries.  Certainly not perfect, but damn good.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on May 09, 2018, 05:59:02 PM

It sounds like you agree with me that eyephone shouldn't be listened to.

On climate science? Probably not, but he isn't making any assertions of his own that go against the scientific consensus.

Yeah, but then again neither am I.

So you would agree with this statement? : "Climate models have already predicted many of the phenomena for which we now have empirical evidence. Climate models form a reliable guide to potential climate change."

I don't have sufficient data to either agree or disagree with either of those statements.

The current scientific consensus is that we DO have sufficient data to support those statements. Which is what I'm going with, because like I stated, scientific consensus has proved to be our best tool over the past centuries.  Certainly not perfect, but damn good.

I'm in agreement with the scientific consensus, just not the accuracy of computer simulated models.  For one thing, the climate models themselves don't agree with each other.  Secondly, some of them deviate quite a bit from the actual temperature record.  Thirdly, they have been shown to have, in aggregate, a "warming bias" when compared to the actual temperature record.  These are just facts.

So your statements from two posts ago are correct insofar as the models have predicted warming and then warming has occurred, but I disagree that they are reliable enough to guide future policy that would result in radical changes to our way of life.  If the scientific consensus is proposing changes that will lead to increased poverty and human suffering, or mass sterilizations, or punishing citizens for having children, or other radical ideas that seem to be bandied about and casually accepted as necessary by many in the scientific community, I'm not onboard with that.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 09, 2018, 06:08:25 PM

It sounds like you agree with me that eyephone shouldn't be listened to.

On climate science? Probably not, but he isn't making any assertions of his own that go against the scientific consensus.

Yeah, but then again neither am I.

So you would agree with this statement? : "Climate models have already predicted many of the phenomena for which we now have empirical evidence. Climate models form a reliable guide to potential climate change."

I don't have sufficient data to either agree or disagree with either of those statements.

The current scientific consensus is that we DO have sufficient data to support those statements. Which is what I'm going with, because like I stated, scientific consensus has proved to be our best tool over the past centuries.  Certainly not perfect, but damn good.

I'm in agreement with the scientific consensus, just not the accuracy of computer simulated models.  For one thing, the climate models themselves don't agree with each other.  Secondly, some of them deviate quite a bit from the actual temperature record.  Thirdly, they have been shown to have, in aggregate, a "warming bias" when compared to the actual temperature record.  These are just facts.

That is incorrect according to most climate scientists.  Are you going off the popular John Christy chart for those facts?  It misrepresents the data in a number of ways.
(https://static.skepticalscience.com/graphics/ChristyChart1024.gif)

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So your statements from two posts ago are correct insofar as the models have predicted warming and then warming has occurred, but I disagree that they are a reliable enough to guide future policy that would result in radical changes to our way of life.  If the scientific consensus is proposing changes that will lead to increased poverty and human suffering, or mass sterilizations, or punishing citizens for having children, or other radical ideas that seem to be bandied about and casually accepted as necessary by many in the scientific community, I'm not onboard with that.

That is exactly where I think the debate should be, over if warming really mandates policy changes. There needs to be a better understanding of what the potential harm of these policy changes is in relation to the potential harm of global warming.

Ultimately, like most economists, I'm of the opinion creating a carbon tax to price the negative externality of warming and letting the market decide what measures to take in response to this price is the best and most fair route to lower emissions.

EDIT: Grammar
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 09, 2018, 06:13:19 PM
EDIT: accidental double post

Since this post is here, a couple follow ups.

The scientific consensus should be the input that drives our decision; we basically want to make sure we make decisions with good data. The scientific community is telling us the globe is warming and it will likely cause damage, we should be careful not to conflate that with people calling for sterilization or other such radical solutions. The scientific consensus isn't telling us what to do with the data, just what the data is and that we will cause damage. It is up to our government (and since this is a democracy, us) to decide if and how to deal with this information. Some scientists may be calling for radical measures, but again we need to be careful with conflating a scientist's opinion on methods to  mitigate warming with the scientific consensus that warming is happening.

My main point I want to convey across these posts is that we shouldn't let deserved mistrust of government transform into undeserved mistrust of the scientific community. By misrepresenting and distorting the data, and eroding trust in the scientific community, we weaken ourselves. We weaken ourselves not just on this issue, but every issue that requires good data to make a good decision. We can't afford to do that and also maintain our stance in the world with highly focused and increasingly powerful rivals like China to deal with.

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on May 10, 2018, 06:19:32 AM
There are parts of Ireland that are not by the ocean.
My point is it seems like Trump is flip flopping on global warming.
As I previously stated, Trump said on the wall application the reason for a wall is due to global warming.

* this is not fake news, read the previous article I posted.

Eyephone - Have you ever been to Ireland?

(http://www.engineersjournal.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/coastal-erosion.jpg)

(https://www.awayaweewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/cliffs-at-causeway-1024x435.png)

(http://nomanbefore.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/IrishCoasts-1080x717.jpg)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on May 10, 2018, 11:35:48 AM
That is incorrect according to most climate scientists.  Are you going off the popular John Christy chart for those facts?  It misrepresents the data in a number of ways.

I'm not aware of John Christy's popular chart.  It must not be very popular.  My conclusions are based on looking at model projections individually and in aggregate, studying the data, and comparing them to the actual temperature records.

The source you linked to for that animated graphic is a blog with an agenda (Skeptical Science), not a dispassionate commentator.  For instance, the blog's founder conducted the very unscientific "survey" that concluded 97% of scientists are in agreement about man made global warming, a false conclusion that many of the scientists he lumped in to the statistic vehemently disagreed with.

He created that made up statistic to empower Democrat politicians, and the sheep that follow them, to bludgeon those of us that are capable of using our heads to think about the science for ourselves.  There's nothing scientific or consensus building about that.  He is a partisan hack masquerading as an authority on this subject.

Here's a statement by one of the scientists that he mischaracterized:

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Cook et al. (2013) is based on a straw man argument because it does not correctly define the IPCC AGW theory, which is NOT that human emissions have contributed 50%+ of the global warming since 1900 but that almost 90-100% of the observed global warming was induced by human emission,” Scafetta responded. “What my papers say is that the IPCC [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun.”

“What it is observed right now is utter dishonesty by the IPCC advocates. … They are gradually engaging into a metamorphosis process to save face. … And in this way they will get the credit that they do not merit, and continue in defaming critics like me that actually demonstrated such a fact since 2005/2006,” Scafetta added.

Here's a quote from another:

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Asked if Cook and colleagues accurately represented his paper, Shaviv responded, “Nope... it is not an accurate representation. The paper shows that if cosmic rays are included in empirical climate sensitivity analyses, then one finds that different time scales consistently give a low climate sensitivity. i.e., it supports the idea that cosmic rays affect the climate and that climate sensitivity is low. This means that part of the 20th century [warming] should be attributed to the increased solar activity and that 21st century warming under a business as usual scenario should be low (about 1°C).”

“I couldn't write these things more explicitly in the paper because of the refereeing, however, you don't have to be a genius to reach these conclusions from the paper," Shaviv added.

Here's another:

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“I hope my scientific views and conclusions are clear to anyone that will spend time reading our papers. Cook et al. (2013) is not the study to read if you want to find out about what we say and conclude in our own scientific works,” Soon emphasized.

Not only that, but the author of Skeptical Science is not a climate scientist. 

You warned earlier on this thread against trusting those that don't work in the field of climate science to understand the complexities of it...  Hmm...  Yet here you are linking to a blog by just such an individual.

Perhaps you should reread the quotes I posted above from three actual climate scientists commenting about your non-climate scientist blogger.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on May 10, 2018, 12:18:14 PM
what do the 3% of scientists have to say about global warming and why don't they agree?

our predictive models aren't 100% accurate today, how do we know that our analysis from 500,000 years ago isn't 100% accurate?

yes the climate is changing but exactly how much can we attribute that increase to human actions?  are we 50% responsible? 2% responsible?  we're flying through space around a giant fireball on a molten rock that we don't 100% understand, so i don't think it's too crazy for some people to feel skeptical, especially when the earth has been through even hotter time periods.  hearing the news talk about "hottest year on record" is a little outrageous considering our "records" only go back 140 years.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on May 10, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
Even if I were to stipulate the truthfulness of global warming there is NOTHING we could do about it short of banning all industry and your precious technology.(do you know how much energy it takes to mine one bitcoin?)  Better to evolve and adapt to our constantly changing "environment".  George Carlin got it right...he is worth listening to.

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 10, 2018, 07:04:50 PM
That is incorrect according to most climate scientists.  Are you going off the popular John Christy chart for those facts?  It misrepresents the data in a number of ways.

I'm not aware of John Christy's popular chart.  It must not be very popular.  My conclusions are based on looking at model projections individually and in aggregate, studying the data, and comparing them to the actual temperature records.

The source you linked to for that animated graphic is a blog with an agenda (Skeptical Science), not a dispassionate commentator.  For instance, the blog's founder conducted the very unscientific "survey" that concluded 97% of scientists are in agreement about man made global warming, a false conclusion that many of the scientists he lumped in to the statistic vehemently disagreed with.

He created that made up statistic to empower Democrat politicians, and the sheep that follow them, to bludgeon those of us that are capable of using our heads to think about the science for ourselves.  There's nothing scientific or consensus building about that.  He is a partisan hack masquerading as an authority on this subject.

Here's a statement by one of the scientists that he mischaracterized:

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Cook et al. (2013) is based on a straw man argument because it does not correctly define the IPCC AGW theory, which is NOT that human emissions have contributed 50%+ of the global warming since 1900 but that almost 90-100% of the observed global warming was induced by human emission,” Scafetta responded. “What my papers say is that the IPCC [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun.”

“What it is observed right now is utter dishonesty by the IPCC advocates. … They are gradually engaging into a metamorphosis process to save face. … And in this way they will get the credit that they do not merit, and continue in defaming critics like me that actually demonstrated such a fact since 2005/2006,” Scafetta added.

Here's a quote from another:

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Asked if Cook and colleagues accurately represented his paper, Shaviv responded, “Nope... it is not an accurate representation. The paper shows that if cosmic rays are included in empirical climate sensitivity analyses, then one finds that different time scales consistently give a low climate sensitivity. i.e., it supports the idea that cosmic rays affect the climate and that climate sensitivity is low. This means that part of the 20th century [warming] should be attributed to the increased solar activity and that 21st century warming under a business as usual scenario should be low (about 1°C).”

“I couldn't write these things more explicitly in the paper because of the refereeing, however, you don't have to be a genius to reach these conclusions from the paper," Shaviv added.

Here's another:

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“I hope my scientific views and conclusions are clear to anyone that will spend time reading our papers. Cook et al. (2013) is not the study to read if you want to find out about what we say and conclude in our own scientific works,” Soon emphasized.

Not only that, but the author of Skeptical Science is not a climate scientist. 

You warned earlier on this thread against trusting those that don't work in the field of climate science to understand the complexities of it...  Hmm...  Yet here you are linking to a blog by just such an individual.

Perhaps you should reread the quotes I posted above from three actual climate scientists commenting about your non-climate scientist blogger.

I'll have to look into that blog more, just thought it was a good animation   :). I'll agree to not use him\that site as a source.

How about the comments of actual researchers? http://weatherwest.com/archives/6252

Or prestigious academies of sciences? https://rsc-src.ca/sites/default/files/pdf/Commonwealth%20Academies%20Consensus%20Statement%20on%20Climate%20Change%20-%2012%20March%202018%20-%202.pdf

Or NASA? https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ They seem to be pretty good at what they do.

Or these prestigious scientific societies?

American Association for the Advancement of Science
"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3

American Chemical Society
"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4

American Geophysical Union
"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5

American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6

American Meteorological Society
"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7

American Physical Society
"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8

The Geological Society of America
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 10, 2018, 07:27:50 PM
what do the 3% of scientists have to say about global warming and why don't they agree?
Your missing the point about scientific consensus. Scientists carefully analyze the studies and papers by all research, including research that does not support warming or human responsibility to warming. That 3% data is taken into account. The consensus builds, changes, and evolves as more research is performed. At this point there is a massive body of research supporting warming. Sure the tiny amount of research that doesn't could be correct, but the odds are much much smaller. Why go off the conclusion that is most likely to be wrong? If it is right, with the way consensus works, once more research is done that demonstrates it to be right, it will be adopted and become the new consensus, so the ship would right anyway if there really is merit to the conclusion cO2 is not causing warming.

The current scientific consensus is the best data we have, and the best thing to go off of. It has historically steered us well and given us the technological power we now wield. Why make an exception because you don't like the result? Would you want Hillary be elected if she won 3% of the vote and Trump won 97%?  I honestly don't get it.

Re posting the study explaining consensus: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0003122410388488
 

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our predictive models aren't 100% accurate today, how do we know that our analysis from 500,000 years ago isn't 100% accurate?
I'm not sure what you mean here, but yeah models are never 100% accurate. Make sure you don't confuse degrees of uncertainty with reliability.

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yes the climate is changing but exactly how much can we attribute that increase to human actions?  are we 50% responsible? 2% responsible?
The consensus is that humans are almost entirely responsible for the current warming cycle.

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we're flying through space around a giant fireball on a molten rock that we don't 100% understand, so i don't think it's too crazy for some people to feel skeptical, especially when the earth has been through even hotter time periods. 
Don't confuse your ability to understand the topic to that of the scientific community's. Certainly not crazy to be skeptical, but be aware that a lot of research and thought has been put into this by those with expertise, and there is a large body of research to support it.

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hearing the news talk about "hottest year on record" is a little outrageous considering our "records" only go back 140 years.
I agree, things like that are meaningless. Would be the same as "coldest year on record" disproves global warming. Consistent hottest year on records for decades though, is something to watch.

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 10, 2018, 07:37:26 PM

George Carlin got it right...he is worth listening to.[/b][/size][/color]


Funny guy.

First off, the point on 97% of species going extinct, you realize that was caused by SuperVolcanos, Asteroids, and other such massive calamities? The current die off looks similar, but too early too tell, but if it is human based, it implies we are as damaging as a massive global calamity.

But I couldn't care less if all the polar bears die or whatever, I only care about humanity. The earth is fine no matter what, it will move on, but we should work to make sure we aren't one of those 97% of species that get left behind.
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Even if I were to stipulate the truthfulness of global warming there is NOTHING we could do about it short of banning all industry and your precious technology.(do you know how much energy it takes to mine one bitcoin?)  Better to evolve and adapt to our constantly changing "environment". 

There's really nothing we could do short of banning all industry? Do you really think that?

What we can do is price the negative externality of CO2 emissions with a carbon tax, and let the market's response to that cost minimize emissions. If banning all industry was the only way to do it, as you suggest, then industry would continue as normal and we could use the proceeds of the tax to evolve and adapt to our changing environment. Let the  market decide what is truly possible and best by pricing in the cost of emissions.  Tax is a rotten word, but in reality this is just recognizing a cost and paying it.


Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on May 10, 2018, 08:14:47 PM
Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush actively promoted measures to combat climate change, with Reagan in 1987 overruling objections within his own Cabinet to a major proposed treaty to protect the ozone layer, according to recently declassified records posted today by the George Washington University-based National Security Archive (www.nsarchive.org). As world leaders, including President Barack Obama, meet in Paris for the latest round of climate talks, the posting reveals a desire by the two Republican leaders from the 1980s for strong American leadership on climate issues that sometimes resembles the Obama White House view more than that of many of today’s top GOP officials – or presidential candidates.

In connection with the Montreal Protocol (negotiated in 1987 and put into effect in 1989), both Reagan and Bush 41 showed a clear desire to tackle environmental concerns and to lead the global community in that effort, according to the documents. Protests by the Domestic Policy Council, led by Attorney General Edwin Meese, and other agency heads led Reagan to step in to ensure adoption of the final set of U.S. objectives for the treaty. Bush basically shared his predecessor’s views on entering office in January 1989.


https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB536-Reagan-Bush-Recognized-Need-for-US-Leadership-on-Climate-Change-in-1980s/
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on May 11, 2018, 07:18:35 AM
what do the 3% of scientists have to say about global warming and why don't they agree?
Your missing the point about scientific consensus. Scientists carefully analyze the studies and papers by all research, including research that does not support warming or human responsibility to warming. That 3% data is taken into account. The consensus builds, changes, and evolves as more research is performed. At this point there is a massive body of research supporting warming. Sure the tiny amount of research that doesn't could be correct, but the odds are much much smaller. Why go off the conclusion that is most likely to be wrong? If it is right, with the way consensus works, once more research is done that demonstrates it to be right, it will be adopted and become the new consensus, so the ship would right anyway if there really is merit to the conclusion cO2 is not causing warming.

The current scientific consensus is the best data we have, and the best thing to go off of. It has historically steered us well and given us the technological power we now wield. Why make an exception because you don't like the result? Would you want Hillary be elected if she won 3% of the vote and Trump won 97%?  I honestly don't get it.

Re posting the study explaining consensus: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0003122410388488
 

i would at least like to hear why the 3% of people want hillary to be president.  it's not about wanting to be right about a topic, but challenging the topic rather than taking it at face value based on what "experts" say.  "experts" have been wrong, have had an agenda, and don't always have our best interest in mind. 
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on May 11, 2018, 08:07:09 AM

George Carlin got it right...he is worth listening to.[/b][/size][/color]


Funny guy.

First off, the point on 97% of species going extinct, you realize that was caused by SuperVolcanos, Asteroids, and other such massive calamities? The current die off looks similar, but too early too tell, but if it is human based, it implies we are as damaging as a massive global calamity.

But I couldn't care less if all the polar bears die or whatever, I only care about humanity. The earth is fine no matter what, it will move on, but we should work to make sure we aren't one of those 97% of species that get left behind.
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Even if I were to stipulate the truthfulness of global warming there is NOTHING we could do about it short of banning all industry and your precious technology.(do you know how much energy it takes to mine one bitcoin?)  Better to evolve and adapt to our constantly changing "environment". 

There's really nothing we could do short of banning all industry? Do you really think that?

What we can do is price the negative externality of CO2 emissions with a carbon tax, and let the market's response to that cost minimize emissions. If banning all industry was the only way to do it, as you suggest, then industry would continue as normal and we could use the proceeds of the tax to evolve and adapt to our changing environment. Let the  market decide what is truly possible and best by pricing in the cost of emissions.  Tax is a rotten word, but in reality this is just recognizing a cost and paying it.




But you are not letting the market forces decide. You are imposing an external penalty and trying to socially engineer an outcome and agenda.  If free markets were free than rising oceans or more hurricanes would be reacted to naturally by the population.  They would move, like someone who builds a home on the side of a Volcano,  I don't think they will again, but the decision was theirs to make.  I live 60 feet from the water and I worry not a moment that my home will be submerged by the Pacific.  If it ever does, that's my kids problem or my kids kids. I don't need the government penalizing me with a new tax to get me to move for a perceived greater good, until then I am happy where I am.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on May 11, 2018, 08:50:27 AM
"Consensus" is NOT science.  The "consensus" of virtually all scientists has been dead wrong again and again for centuries. 

In 1895, the President of the Royal Society, Lord Kelvin, said "Heavier than air flight is impossible." 

Seven years later, two uneducated bicycle mechanics built the first airplane and flew it at Kitty Hawk.

If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really true, there would be little hope of advance. v- Orville Wright


https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/orville_wright_130122 (https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/orville_wright_130122)

Professor Don Easterbrook presents facts contrary to the narrative of Al Gore, a mediocre mind who flunked out of Vanderbilt Divinity School.


 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LkMweOVOOI)[/url]

Physics Nobel Laureate Ivar Giaever calls the climate change sharia a massive fraud which will cost the world trillions of dollars and accomplish nothing good, while hurting the poorest very badly.


 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXxHfb66ZgM&t=52s)[/url]
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 11, 2018, 09:28:46 AM

George Carlin got it right...he is worth listening to.[/b][/size][/color]


Funny guy.

First off, the point on 97% of species going extinct, you realize that was caused by SuperVolcanos, Asteroids, and other such massive calamities? The current die off looks similar, but too early too tell, but if it is human based, it implies we are as damaging as a massive global calamity.

But I couldn't care less if all the polar bears die or whatever, I only care about humanity. The earth is fine no matter what, it will move on, but we should work to make sure we aren't one of those 97% of species that get left behind.
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Even if I were to stipulate the truthfulness of global warming there is NOTHING we could do about it short of banning all industry and your precious technology.(do you know how much energy it takes to mine one bitcoin?)  Better to evolve and adapt to our constantly changing "environment". 

There's really nothing we could do short of banning all industry? Do you really think that?

What we can do is price the negative externality of CO2 emissions with a carbon tax, and let the market's response to that cost minimize emissions. If banning all industry was the only way to do it, as you suggest, then industry would continue as normal and we could use the proceeds of the tax to evolve and adapt to our changing environment. Let the  market decide what is truly possible and best by pricing in the cost of emissions.  Tax is a rotten word, but in reality this is just recognizing a cost and paying it.




But you are not letting the market forces decide. You are imposing an external penalty and trying to socially engineer an outcome and agenda.  If free markets were free than rising oceans or more hurricanes would be reacted to naturally by the population.  They would move, like someone who builds a home on the side of a Volcano,  I don't think they will again, but the decision was theirs to make.  I live 60 feet from the water and I worry not a moment that my home will be submerged by the Pacific.  If it ever does, that's my kids problem or my kids kids. I don't need the government penalizing me with a new tax to get me to move for a perceived greater good, until then I am happy where I am.

This is exactly where I think the debate should be, not on whether the warming exists or not. Can government reasonably achieve a goal of reducing CO2 emissions, without causing undue harm? There are surely people with agenda's that would care more to expand their own power or that of the governments and use warming as an excuse to do so. I am unsure if the government is capable of achieving this task.

Carbon tax seems the most likely to work; pricing negative externalities is economics 101. It is not free market, right. It is putting a constraint on the market, but one that is based on a societal cost. Ideally this would lead to the most efficient outcome with the least total cost needing to be paid. But of course, this is oversimplified, and any carbon tax implementation would be difficult in practice and prone to abuse.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on May 11, 2018, 09:43:29 AM
What you propose would require a massive leap of faith that the government would efficiently re-deploy assets to achieve the desired goal.  I have little faith in that possibility, look at Obamacare as a great example.  I have more faith in the individuals ability to deploy their assets in an efficient manner. (the volcano example is proof of that).  Creating artificial penalties based on a premise not accepted by everyone (carbon can be controlled) and handing billions to a new government bureaucracy to spend for us, is suspect at best, disastrous economically at worst.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on May 11, 2018, 10:07:01 AM
What you propose would require a massive leap of faith that the government would efficiently re-deploy assets to achieve the desired goal.  I have little faith in that possibility, look at Obamacare as a great example.  I have more faith in the individuals ability to deploy their assets in an efficient manner. (the volcano example is proof of that).  Creating artificial penalties based on a premise not accepted by everyone (carbon can be controlled) and handing billions to a new government bureaucracy to spend for us, is suspect at best, disastrous economically at worst.

I agree with most of your concerns here, except for that carbon can't be controlled. We know of ways to de-carbonize, and eventually, we will transition to sustainable energy one way or the other. It's in the definition "sustainable". The idea is to accelerate that transition to reduce harm.

I am a techno optimist, so see an economic opportunity in this energy transition.  I have confidence our brightest engineers will be able to build and develop energy systems that are more efficient and economically productive than our legacy sources of power. Of course this is not a sure thing, and my optimism could be completely misplaced.

It's interesting watching Tesla, as they are an example of a company growing up to meet the challenge of this transition and in response to government incentives/regulation. Will they end up being profitable and a source of wealth for Californians and the U.S? Or will they prove to be an unsustainable sinkole for investor and public money? We should have that answer in a few years.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on May 11, 2018, 10:42:56 AM
If you look at my posts under Tesla model 3 you know I don't have a lot of faith in Tesla and Musk.  He does many fun things with government money but I have yet to see a legitimate profit in any of his adventures.  I believe that if electric cars are viable than the market would have them already and without government largess.  I actually think Hydrogen is the real answer but that is for another thread. 
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on May 11, 2018, 12:27:22 PM
  I actually think Hydrogen is the real answer but that is for another thread.

Hydrogen is produced by electrolyzing water.  Of course that process consumed much more energy than is produced by burning the hydrogen back into water, so it is a non-solution.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on May 11, 2018, 03:55:10 PM
It would be cool electric cars were powered by solar power (free and abundant).  Not sure how easy it would be to outfit a car with solar panels though.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on May 11, 2018, 06:08:00 PM
It would be cool electric cars were powered by solar power (free and abundant).  Not sure how easy it would be to outfit a car with solar panels though.

mission E looks pretty sweet. going to completely blow model s out of the water at the same price point.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: AW on May 11, 2018, 08:01:41 PM
It would be cool electric cars were powered by solar power (free and abundant).  Not sure how easy it would be to outfit a car with solar panels though.

mission E looks pretty sweet. going to completely blow model s out of the water at the same price point.
I agree, b/w those 2, I’d go with mission E. 
Solar panels on a car currently don’t generate enough.  The Prius has one that barely turns on a fan, it’ll be a long time before powering a car is a reality. Although that’s a really nice idea
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Happiness on May 12, 2018, 11:34:09 AM
It would be cool electric cars were powered by solar power (free and abundant).  Not sure how easy it would be to outfit a car with solar panels though.

mission E looks pretty sweet. going to completely blow model s out of the water at the same price point.
No point buying a Tesla now when the model E will be on sale in 2020.

This isn't Porsche's first foray into electric cars. For all you history buffs, the first car designed by Ferdiand Porsche, founder of what is now the Volkswagen Group, was an all electric car called the Lohner-Porsche of 1898:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Lohner_Porsche.jpg)


Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on May 13, 2018, 06:22:13 AM
It would be cool electric cars were powered by solar power (free and abundant).  Not sure how easy it would be to outfit a car with solar panels though.

mission E looks pretty sweet. going to completely blow model s out of the water at the same price point.
No point buying a Tesla now when the model E will be on sale in 2020.

This isn't Porsche's first foray into electric cars. For all you history buffs, the first car designed by Ferdiand Porsche, founder of what is now the Volkswagen Group, was an all electric car called the Lohner-Porsche of 1898:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Lohner_Porsche.jpg)

i wonder if it had a setting called "preposterous speed"
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on June 30, 2018, 08:31:15 PM
President Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Change Accord, much to the whiny dismay of virtually every Democrat in the country.  Turns out to have been a  brilliant move, saving us billions of dollars, with his many other efforts.

Even the Europeans themselves aren't practicing what they preach and agreed to IN WRITING!!!  Germany won't meet it's 2020  target and is even MORE likely won't meet it's 2030 target either.  But, hey, everybody has their neato piece of paper, so they got THAT goin'  for 'em.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a21605708/germany-likely-to-miss-emissions-target-for-2020/ (https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a21605708/germany-likely-to-miss-emissions-target-for-2020/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 10, 2019, 10:12:10 AM
This is truly a losing issue to hang your hat on for 2020. Now before you quote a bunch of baloney stats that some high percentage of voters believe this is an issue or that the last four years were the hottest on record witness that this thread hasn’t been commented on in seven months and even after AOC ridiculous but well covered global warming craziness see what left wing hacks have to do to just get someone to read about the issue....

It's time to think big on climate change

Please don't stop reading. I know that climate change isn't the sexiest of topics. But it is the biggest, most important story of our time. Our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will judge us by how well we meet the challenge, and so far we are failing. Miserably.

http://www.reflector.com/Op-Ed/2019/02/10/It-s-time-to-think-big-on-climate-change.html (http://www.reflector.com/Op-Ed/2019/02/10/It-s-time-to-think-big-on-climate-change.html)

In other words..I know you don’t care but I think you should...too funny, and not a winning issue to run on wether you believe or not.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 12, 2019, 12:54:56 PM
Hawaii recorded what may be the lowest elevation snow in state history

Snow falls in Hawaii a few times a year in winter on the state's highest peak, Mauna Kea rising 13,803 elevation in feet, but the white stuff is rarely seen at elevations below 9,000 feet to 10,000 feet.

On Sunday, Maui's 10,ooo-foot Haleakala received a thick dusting and snow also accumulated at 6,200 feet in Polipoli State Recreation Area.

Officials at the Department of Land and Natural Resources say this could mark the lowest-elevation snowfall ever recorded in the state.

"This storm was uncharted territory for us," says Melissa Dye, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in Honolulu.

The National Weather Service is still tracking snowfall totals and hopes to release more information Monday.

"I spoke to a ranger at Haleakala and he couldn't confirm how much snow had fallen because it was blowing around so much," says Dye. "Same thing on Mauna Kea."


https://www.sfgate.com/weather/article/Hawaii-recorded-what-may-be-the-lowest-elevation-13607099.php
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 01:01:42 PM
Hawaii recorded what may be the lowest elevation snow in state history

Snow falls in Hawaii a few times a year in winter on the state's highest peak, Mauna Kea rising 13,803 elevation in feet, but the white stuff is rarely seen at elevations below 9,000 feet to 10,000 feet.

On Sunday, Maui's 10,ooo-foot Haleakala received a thick dusting and snow also accumulated at 6,200 feet in Polipoli State Recreation Area.

Officials at the Department of Land and Natural Resources say this could mark the lowest-elevation snowfall ever recorded in the state.

"This storm was uncharted territory for us," says Melissa Dye, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in Honolulu.

The National Weather Service is still tracking snowfall totals and hopes to release more information Monday.

"I spoke to a ranger at Haleakala and he couldn't confirm how much snow had fallen because it was blowing around so much," says Dye. "Same thing on Mauna Kea."


https://www.sfgate.com/weather/article/Hawaii-recorded-what-may-be-the-lowest-elevation-13607099.php

Seriously...do you really enjoy being ignorant? 

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Last year was the fourth-hottest year ever recorded, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA, which means that the past five years have been the five warmest years in the modern record.

NOAA and NASA discussed 2018's global temperature and climate in a joint news conference Wednesday; both agencies maintain independent data that goes back to 1880 to monitor temperatures around the globe. The announcement was delayed several weeks due to the government shutdown that resulted in many NOAA and NASA employees being furloughed.

If it seems like you've heard this before, you have: Eighteen of the hottest 19 years have occurred since 2001

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/world/2018-global-temp-hottest-year-noaa-nasa/index.html

Again..you know who doesn't doubt climate change?  Insurance Companies, military, and the most of the business community.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/08/23/499027.htm

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/18/pentagon-military-installations-climate-1098095

https://www.wsj.com/graphics/coastal-home-sales-affected-by-climate-change-worries/

http://fortune.com/2018/04/21/climate-change-is-already-depressing-the-price-of-flood-prone-real-estate/
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 01:10:41 PM
also weird that you don't mention stuff like this:

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ANCHORAGE (KTUU) - After a record warm start to winter, Alaska’s rivers have mostly frozen over, but thin ice remains. According to the Nenana Ice Classic website, measurements taken January 16 and February 6 show just 16 inches of ice. The previous lowest amount during January and February is 21.5 inches on Jan. 7, 2004. The next measurement on Feb. 4, 2004 showed the ice had built to 30 inches.

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Will-unseasonably-thin-ice-mean-an-early-tripod-topple-505693421.html

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The Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica has developed a cavity roughly two-thirds the size of Manhattan and about 1,000 feet tall, according to a NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory study published Thursday. This empty space has the negative effect of speeding up the rate at which the glacier melts and, in turn, how quickly sea levels rise.

An investigation by the New York Times from 2017 looked at the Thwaites Glacier, which is roughly the size of Florida, and how much ice it's regularly shedding and feeding into the sea. The problem with this glacier is that it's shedding a lot and accounts for about 4 percent of total sea level increase around the world according to NASA.

The newly discovered cavity previously contained 14 billion tons of ice, which is now water, and it means that the Thwaites Glacier is melting faster than anyone thought. If the whole glacier melts, it would raise the sea level by more than two feet.

https://mashable.com/article/antarctica-glacer-cavity/

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MCCLINTOCK: The news is a little sad. The population of 15,000 breeding pairs of Adelie penguins has reached a new low. It's down to 1,100 this year. So over 90 percent of them are disappearing. What's happening mainly that's causing the big problem is that they come in at a very predetermined time of year to lay their eggs. And then along comes these unseasonably late snowstorms because it's getting warmer and more humid. Ironically, it's snowing later. And then the snow melts, and the eggs drown. So the Adelie's having a really tough time right now.

GREENE: You arrive here, you know, each year. As you arrive this time and you look out at the landscape, does anything strike you as starkly different from the last time you were there?

MCCLINTOCK: If you look behind the station, Lamar Glacier (ph) is just retreating very, very quickly. In fact, I was talking to a couple of Palmer Station staff this morning that went on a little camping trip the other day and spent the night sleeping on the rim next to the glacier. And they said they couldn't sleep. The glacier cracked, and pieces fell into the water all through the night. Like, every 20 minutes to half an hour. They'd be woken or be jarred by a crack of ice. This is indicative of 87 percent of the glaciers along the Western Antarctic Peninsula that are now in rapid retreat. This is just sort of the canary in the coal mine here.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/685777431/a-view-from-the-palmer-research-station-in-antarctica
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 01:14:44 PM
It's also really weird that climate change deniers believe that there is some sort giant conspiracy by the scientific community to make up "climate change" as a way to justify their existence.  Whereas the corporations and their political supporters are countering the climate change narrative to save AMERICA!

I mean clearly scientists are evil and selfish while corporations and politicians are out of the goodness of the society and welfare of humanity.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 01:20:09 PM
Oh no, evil corporations are forging ahead.  You do know we are now the largest producers of energy on earth?  And don't think that will shrink anytime soon.  We are gong to dominate fossil fuel production for the next several decades.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 12, 2019, 01:21:16 PM
Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 01:30:19 PM
Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.

It's ignorance I complain of:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow/

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/why-snow-colder-weather-conditions-dont-debunk-climate-change/70003753

You understand for example that the polar vortex event earlier this month happened because the warming of the arctic has lessened the strength of jet streams surrounding the Arctic right.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/27092017/polar-vortex-cold-snap-arctic-ice-loss-global-warming-climate-change
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 12, 2019, 01:33:01 PM
Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.

It's ignorance I complain of:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow/

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/why-snow-colder-weather-conditions-dont-debunk-climate-change/70003753

You understand for example that the polar vortex event earlier this month happened because the warming of the arctic has lessened the strength of jet streams surrounding the Arctic right.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/27092017/polar-vortex-cold-snap-arctic-ice-loss-global-warming-climate-change

You still haven't addressed the situation in Hawaii, but you have made a point of attacking me personally.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 01:35:17 PM
Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.

It's ignorance I complain of:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow/

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/why-snow-colder-weather-conditions-dont-debunk-climate-change/70003753

You understand for example that the polar vortex event earlier this month happened because the warming of the arctic has lessened the strength of jet streams surrounding the Arctic right.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/27092017/polar-vortex-cold-snap-arctic-ice-loss-global-warming-climate-change

You still haven't addressed the situation in Hawaii, but you have made a point of attacking me personally.

Yeah..you make what you want of it.  Ignorance is not a great look.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 01:41:34 PM
Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 12, 2019, 01:50:02 PM
Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.

It's ignorance I complain of:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow/

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/why-snow-colder-weather-conditions-dont-debunk-climate-change/70003753

You understand for example that the polar vortex event earlier this month happened because the warming of the arctic has lessened the strength of jet streams surrounding the Arctic right.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/27092017/polar-vortex-cold-snap-arctic-ice-loss-global-warming-climate-change

You still haven't addressed the situation in Hawaii, but you have made a point of attacking me personally.

Yeah..you make what you want of it.  Ignorance is not a great look.

I haven't made any commentary so your attack on me is simply a reaction to your own ignorance, I assume.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 02:02:28 PM
Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 12, 2019, 02:27:29 PM
Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?

Attacking others will not bring them to your side.  It will cause them to dig in and be less receptive to what you have to say.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 02:29:00 PM
Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?

Attacking others will not bring them to your side.  It will cause them to dig in and be less receptive to what you have to say.

And that's how we got anti-vaxxers and flat earthers.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 02:34:18 PM
No, my kids are all vaccinated and I think the earth is spherical.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?

I won't, I live 40 feet from the water. I think I will be there forever. You, and others like you are welcome adapt any way you see fit. Sell your property, move inland, buy a Tesla, whatever makes you feel comfortable. Me, I'm staying put.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 03:17:37 PM
Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?

I won't, I live 40 feet from the water. I think I will be there forever. You, and others like you are welcome adapt any way you see fit. Sell your property, move inland, buy a Tesla, whatever makes you feel comfortable. Me, I'm staying put.

That's a great way to formulate social and governmental policies!
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 04:00:29 PM
My way is a reflection of how the public really prioritizes this issue. This is not an important issue to people in general so the formulation of public policy is glacial, and that’s just fine with me.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 04:09:08 PM
My way is a reflection of how the public really prioritizes this issue. This is not an important issue to people in general so the formulation of public policy is glacial, and that’s just fine with me.

Again...seems like a poor way to create social/governmental policy.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 04:13:34 PM
It shows there is no need for any. Again, in a kinda libertarian way, no one is keeping you from taking any means you see necessary to protect yourself and your family from the coming apocalypse.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 04:35:10 PM
It shows there is no need for any. Again, in a kinda libertarian way, no one is keeping you from taking any means you see necessary to protect yourself and your family from the coming apocalypse.

Agree that it's the libertarian POV...just seems like a poor way to establish social policy.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 04:52:19 PM
But the fact that there is no public support for immediate action indicates they don’t see a need for immediate action or social policy.  They just don’t believe or don’t care.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 05:04:54 PM
But the fact that there is no public support for immediate action indicates they don’t see a need for immediate action or social policy.  They just don’t believe or don’t care.

Like most things in life, it is generally a bad idea to set policy or make decisions on a reactionary basis. 
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
Or lack of reaction?  Are you advocating taking action without consent.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Happiness on February 12, 2019, 05:09:01 PM
Or lack of reaction?  Are you advocating taking action without consent.
It's like communism, you're being liberated whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 05:11:46 PM
Or lack of reaction?  Are you advocating taking action without consent.

We have a republican government...consent is implicitly given to the representatives.   Policies should seldomly be made in hindsight or in reaction to things.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 12, 2019, 05:13:04 PM
Or lack of reaction?  Are you advocating taking action without consent.
It's like communism, you're being liberated whether you like it or not.

It's like the ultimate phantom slippery slope...somehow proactive policies means communism.

Seriously...people must have been jailed in gulags in a past life.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 12, 2019, 05:45:41 PM
Or lack of reaction?  Are you advocating taking action without consent.
It's like communism, you're being liberated whether you like it or not.

It's like the ultimate phantom slippery slope...somehow proactive policies means communism.

Seriously...people must have been jailed in gulags in a past life.

But don’t you see that it is that exact unilateral attitude that gave rise to trump? The “you masses are children, too uneducated and unsophisticated to understand your own peril that we will do for you what you are too stupid to do for yourself.”...look what that got ya.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: fortune11 on February 13, 2019, 04:52:49 AM
This MAGA attitude can best be summed up as — “ yeah we lost  Miami to rising sea levels , but at least we owned the libs !! “
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on February 13, 2019, 06:48:07 AM
guys, the world is going to end in 12 years anyway, so who cares!

Quote
Ocasio-Cortez: 'World will end in 12 years' if climate change not addressed

“Millennials and people, you know, Gen Z and all these folks that will come after us are looking up and we’re like: ‘The world is gonna end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change and your biggest issue is how are we gonna pay for it?' " Ocasio-Cortez asked Coates.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/426353-ocasio-cortez-the-world-will-end-in-12-years-if-we-dont-address (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/426353-ocasio-cortez-the-world-will-end-in-12-years-if-we-dont-address)

the ultimate irony is her being denied a spot on the climate change committee and her "green new deal" doesn't mean diddly squat because the US is not the problem when it comes to CO2 emissions!

(https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.prod.s3.amazonaws.com%2F7da2f0f8-c89e-11e7-ab18-7a9fb7d6163e?source=next&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=700)

how about this: maybe she should get on board with trump in negotiating deals with "evil nations" like china who are polluting the world? nah, can't be seen on the same side of any issue as trump!
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 13, 2019, 07:37:09 AM
This MAGA attitude can best be summed up as — “ yeah we lost  Miami to rising sea levels , but at least we owned the libs !! “

Or, isn't Miami beautiful?  Remember a hundred years ago when all those idiots wanted to ruin our economy to fight global warming that never happened because none of their complicated computer models ever were right?  Good thing we own the Libs!!
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 08:39:42 AM
Or lack of reaction?  Are you advocating taking action without consent.
It's like communism, you're being liberated whether you like it or not.

It's like the ultimate phantom slippery slope...somehow proactive policies means communism.

Seriously...people must have been jailed in gulags in a past life.

But don’t you see that it is that exact unilateral attitude that gave rise to trump? The “you masses are children, too uneducated and unsophisticated to understand your own peril that we will do for you what you are too stupid to do for yourself.”...look what that got ya.

Yes...we should pander to the ignorant and angry. 

I rather my government be forward thinking and lead rather than reactionary and stagnant.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 08:42:28 AM
This MAGA attitude can best be summed up as — “ yeah we lost  Miami to rising sea levels , but at least we owned the libs !! “

Or, isn't Miami beautiful?  Remember a hundred years ago when all those idiots wanted to ruin our economy to fight global warming that never happened because none of their complicated computer models ever were right?  Good thing we own the Libs!!


More 20th century thinking...transition into a green economy and reducing carbon emission are fantastic job/economy boosters.  Decentralization of the power grid, installation/building of green infrastructure, R&D into new green technology, and other green jobs are exactly what a first-world country like the US needs.  Relatively high paying jobs that cannot be outsourced.

This is basically like Trump saying that we need to save steel and coal jobs.

I don't understand why GOP/conservatives are so ready to rest on their laurels...US did not become the leader of the world by doing what other countries did.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 08:49:01 AM
guys, the world is going to end in 12 years anyway, so who cares!


Yeah..that's the American motto..."WE ARE GOING TO JUST SIT HERE AND DOING NOTHING UNTIL OTHER PEOPLE DO IT"!  You know the moon?  We are just going to sit here until the Soviet go there.

Being a leader means that you lead...if you don't...someone else will and then people will follow that person. 

Seriously...MAGA just seems like a pouty kid who keeps telling other people that he is going to take his ball home every 5 seconds.  Pretty soon, people are just going to ignore the kid and exclude him from the games.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 13, 2019, 09:21:02 AM
We are leading...and going to stay there for a very long time...

America is now the world's largest oil producer

Move over Russia and Saudi Arabia. America has reclaimed its throne atop the oil world.
For the first time since 1973, the United States is the world's largest producer of crude oil, according to preliminary estimates published on Wednesday by the Energy Department.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html (https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 09:24:38 AM
We are leading...and going to stay there for a very long time...

America is now the world's largest oil producer

Move over Russia and Saudi Arabia. America has reclaimed its throne atop the oil world.
For the first time since 1973, the United States is the world's largest producer of crude oil, according to preliminary estimates published on Wednesday by the Energy Department.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html (https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html)

Oh good....it's like the leader of producing horses and buggies at the beginning of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 13, 2019, 09:30:53 AM
I don't think energy is the same as a buggy whip.  We are and will dominate this sector for quite awhile.  It is an energy hungry world and we have what they need.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 13, 2019, 09:31:26 AM
We are leading...and going to stay there for a very long time...

America is now the world's largest oil producer

Move over Russia and Saudi Arabia. America has reclaimed its throne atop the oil world.
For the first time since 1973, the United States is the world's largest producer of crude oil, according to preliminary estimates published on Wednesday by the Energy Department.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html (https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html)

Oh good....it's like the leader of producing horses and buggies at the beginning of the 20th century.

Says the guy who's carbon footprint is probably 20x that of the average human being.  Doh!
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 09:38:48 AM
I don't think energy is the same as a buggy whip.  We are and will dominate this sector for quite awhile.  It is an energy hungry world and we have what they need.

Energy is like transportation...it's the mode and production that matters.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 09:39:50 AM
We are leading...and going to stay there for a very long time...

America is now the world's largest oil producer

Move over Russia and Saudi Arabia. America has reclaimed its throne atop the oil world.
For the first time since 1973, the United States is the world's largest producer of crude oil, according to preliminary estimates published on Wednesday by the Energy Department.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html (https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html)

Oh good....it's like the leader of producing horses and buggies at the beginning of the 20th century.

Says the guy who's carbon footprint is probably 20x that of the average human being.  Doh!

Yes..then we should try to do nothing until everyone else catches up! 

Seriously...I wish MAGAers and GOPers would just come out and say that they are selfish and they don't want to do anything different because they don't want to.   Just admit it.  It's like Libertarians claiming that they are for "liberty" when in fact they just want to do whatever they want to do because they want to.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 13, 2019, 09:43:35 AM
Here's the thing... If you believe global warming is a crisis that needs to be averted, then why aren't you doing everything in your power to change how you live... RIGHT NOW!  Why does it take heavy handed government action to force you to sell your over-sized Irvine box, sell your multiple vehicles, stop flying on planes, stop commuting to an office, and start riding your bike everywhere?  The global warming alarmists want to increase government control of our lives, but they don't even want to make small changes in their own lives. 

It doesn't take radical heavy-handed government policy to make social changes.  You can lead the charge by setting the example yourself (cut your own carbon usage before lecturing others), being nice to the opposition (something Irvinecommuter flatly rejects), and making a convincing case for what needs to change and why.  This is the libertarian approach and it will be much more successful than trying to ram legislation through that harms people's livelihoods, threatens their families, and leads to more suffering.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 13, 2019, 09:49:08 AM
I'll admit it.  I don't care because I don't think there is anything we can do about it, even if it were true But, better to be that then a hypocrite...

Harrison Ford: leaders who deny climate change are 'on the wrong side of history'
Actor attacked Trump and other leaders at World Government Summit for denying science to justify not facing the ‘moral crisis’

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/12/harrison-ford-world-government-summit-climate-change-trump (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/12/harrison-ford-world-government-summit-climate-change-trump)

OK mister Country size carbon footprint boy....

Harrison Ford
A keen aviator, Harrison Ford has a large collection of aircraft. The largest is his Cessna 208B Grand Caravan which consumes a massive 334 gallons of fuel per hour. He is also a collector of classic cars which have a low mpg rating, however, this is balanced out with his Tesla Model S. His passion about the climate change was evident when he spoke at the recent Global Climate Action Summit but with his array of gas guzzling vehicles, he can’t fight climate change Solo.

Celebrity Climate Hypocrites - which celebrities are really going green?

https://www.selectcarleasing.co.uk/news/celebrity-climate-hypocrites.html (https://www.selectcarleasing.co.uk/news/celebrity-climate-hypocrites.html)

At least Ed Bagley walks the walk...I can respect that.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 09:50:07 AM
Here's the thing... If you believe global warming is a crisis that needs to be averted, then why aren't you doing everything in your power to change how you live... RIGHT NOW!  Why does it take heavy handed government action to force you to sell your over-sized Irvine box, sell your multiple vehicles, stop flying on planes, stop commuting to an office, and start riding your bike everywhere?  The global warming alarmists want to increase government control of our lives, but they don't even want to make small changes in their own lives. 

It doesn't take radical heavy-handed government policy to make social changes.  You can lead the charge by setting the example yourself (cut your own carbon usage before lecturing others), being nice to the opposition (something Irvinecommuter flatly rejects), and making a convincing case for what needs to change and why.  This is the libertarian approach and it will be much more successful than trying to ram legislation through that harms people's livelihoods , threatens their families, and leads to suffering.

Thanks Yoda! 

I'm glad that you know about my life and what I have or have not done.  But again..why are you influenced by what I do or don't do?  If climate change and its effects are real, then who cares what I do or don't do? 

I guess we should have done the same in the Civil Rights movement...just wait until people come to their sense.   Clearly, if we wanted to go to the moon, each person should have just started building rockets in their backyard and boom...we are walking on the moon.  I guess the smog in LA cleared up because people decided to pollute less. 

Weird that conservatives are all for the concept of collective power when in comes to private corporations but not government. 

Oh..California has been setting examples for 30+ years on the environmental front...so the rest of the country should follow too right?

Again...just say that you are selfish and don't want to do anything different.

Edit:  Missed my favorite line...from a MAGA supporter

Quote
being nice to the opposition
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 09:52:27 AM
I'll admit it.  I don't care because I don't think there is anything we can do about it, even if it were true But, better to be that then a hypocrite...

Wait..the only reason why we should be doing something is because celebrities endorse or don't endorse it?  I mean shouldn't policies be based upon facts, science, and logic not whether George Clooney is for or against it?

I mean...again...just admit that you don't care and don't want to do anything different and stop deflecting.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 13, 2019, 09:57:45 AM
Here's the thing... If you believe global warming is a crisis that needs to be averted, then why aren't you doing everything in your power to change how you live... RIGHT NOW!  Why does it take heavy handed government action to force you to sell your over-sized Irvine box, sell your multiple vehicles, stop flying on planes, stop commuting to an office, and start riding your bike everywhere?  The global warming alarmists want to increase government control of our lives, but they don't even want to make small changes in their own lives. 

It doesn't take radical heavy-handed government policy to make social changes.  You can lead the charge by setting the example yourself (cut your own carbon usage before lecturing others), being nice to the opposition (something Irvinecommuter flatly rejects), and making a convincing case for what needs to change and why.  This is the libertarian approach and it will be much more successful than trying to ram legislation through that harms people's livelihoods , threatens their families, and leads to suffering.

Thanks Yoda! 

I guess we should have done the same in the Civil Rights movement...just wait until people come to their sense.   Clearly, if we wanted to go to the moon, each person should have just started building rockets in their backyard and boom...we are walking on the moon.  I guess the smog in LA cleared up because people decided to pollute less. 

Weird that conservatives are all for the concept of collective power when in comes to private corporations but not government. 

Oh..California has been setting examples for 30+ years on the environmental front...so the rest of the country should follow too right?

Again...just say that you are selfish and don't want to do anything different.

See you don't really believe in climate change either.  You're not willing to make even one small change to your own comfortable lifestyle.

This is why you will continue to lose on this issue.  Everybody sees the hypocrisy.  C'est la vie.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 13, 2019, 09:59:23 AM
I just said I don't care about this issue but I agree with you on this.  California is leading the way...into the dumpster.

More Californians are considering fleeing the state as they blame sky-high costs, survey finds
A growing number of Californians are contemplating moving the state due to the sky-high cost of living, with sentiment highest among millennials, according to a new study.
Fifty-three percent say they are considering fleeing, representing a jump over the 49 percent a year ago.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/growing-number-of-californians-considering-moving-from-state-survey.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/growing-number-of-californians-considering-moving-from-state-survey.html)

Americans continue their march to low-tax states

According to Election Data Services, the following states are poised to gain seats:

Texas will gain three, from 36 to 39;
Florida will gain two, from 27 to 29;
Arizona will gain one, from nine to 10;
Colorado will gain one, from seven to eight;
Montana will gain one, from at-large to two;
North Carolina will gain one, from 13 to 14; and
Oregon will gain one, from five to six.

These states are poised to lose seats:

New York will lose two, from 27 to 25;
Alabama will lose one, from seven to six;
California will lose one or remain even, from 53 to 52 or no change;
Michigan will lose one, from 14 to 13;
Minnesota will lose one or remain even, from eight to seven or no change;
Ohio will lose one, from 16 to 15;
Pennsylvania will lose one, from 18 to 17;
Rhode Island will lose one, from two to one; and
West Virginia will lose one, from three to two.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/429623-americans-continue-their-march-to-low-tax-states (https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/429623-americans-continue-their-march-to-low-tax-states)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 10:03:11 AM
Here's the thing... If you believe global warming is a crisis that needs to be averted, then why aren't you doing everything in your power to change how you live... RIGHT NOW!  Why does it take heavy handed government action to force you to sell your over-sized Irvine box, sell your multiple vehicles, stop flying on planes, stop commuting to an office, and start riding your bike everywhere?  The global warming alarmists want to increase government control of our lives, but they don't even want to make small changes in their own lives. 

It doesn't take radical heavy-handed government policy to make social changes.  You can lead the charge by setting the example yourself (cut your own carbon usage before lecturing others), being nice to the opposition (something Irvinecommuter flatly rejects), and making a convincing case for what needs to change and why.  This is the libertarian approach and it will be much more successful than trying to ram legislation through that harms people's livelihoods , threatens their families, and leads to suffering.

Thanks Yoda! 

I guess we should have done the same in the Civil Rights movement...just wait until people come to their sense.   Clearly, if we wanted to go to the moon, each person should have just started building rockets in their backyard and boom...we are walking on the moon.  I guess the smog in LA cleared up because people decided to pollute less. 

Weird that conservatives are all for the concept of collective power when in comes to private corporations but not government. 

Oh..California has been setting examples for 30+ years on the environmental front...so the rest of the country should follow too right?

Again...just say that you are selfish and don't want to do anything different.

See you don't really believe in climate change either.  You're not willing to make even one small change to your own comfortable lifestyle.

This is why you will continue to lose on this issue.  Everybody sees the hypocrisy.  C'est la vie.


Again...what do you know or don't know about what I do?    Or what changes I would make or have made?

It's like taxes...I pay what I owe but I am all for more taxes.  I am all for more environmental regulations and support more shifts to the green economy.  I vote for politicians and policies that gear toward those goals.  Do you?

I am not trying to convince anyone here on the issue...climate change denier don't deny the science...they simply don't care.  It's the classic GOP/conservative playbook...find one example to counter the narrative and then feel better about themselves.  Illegal immigration is bad because that one illegal immigrant who murdered someone!  I feel better about my stance.

Again...just admit that you are comfortable and don't want to change rather than putting up this facade of psuedo science.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 10:09:47 AM
I just said I don't care about this issue but I agree with you on this.  California is leading the way...into the dumpster.

More Californians are considering fleeing the state as they blame sky-high costs, survey finds
A growing number of Californians are contemplating moving the state due to the sky-high cost of living, with sentiment highest among millennials, according to a new study.
Fifty-three percent say they are considering fleeing, representing a jump over the 49 percent a year ago.


 (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/growing-number-of-californians-considering-moving-from-state-s
[/quote)

Sure...the biggest driver of living costs in California...is housing!  You know why...because a lot of people want to live here!  People don't want to live in Yuba County or Eureka...they want to live in BA or LA/OC/SD.  You know where it is also expensive to live?  New York, London, Shanghai, Tokyo, Seoul...weird that people still want to live there.

The prediction of California going into the ground is old as time

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1994/11/09/californians-crowding-into-colorado/86418f92-e40e-4a10-978c-cf798d9dc0e3/?utm_term=.a80a9950dc02

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/jan/27/many-ex-california-cops-retire-to-idaho/

https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/1995-06-30/533708/

http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-text/unliveable-california.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/california-is-doomed-2010-3

BTW...more Californians more to other places...the more those other places are turning blue!  Nevada and Arizona are becoming bluer by the election...Florida and Texas will be as well.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: zubs on February 13, 2019, 10:24:45 AM
My uncle bought an expensive house near Chicago for 680,000 back in the 80's.  He sold that house for 690,000 in 2009 after putting 100,000 to remodel it.  He then bought a house in Los Altos for 1,680,000.  I think that house is now worth more than 3,200,000.

I don't think CA economy is in trouble anytime soon.




edit: changed a few numbers after looking it up on redfin.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 10:26:53 AM
My uncle bought an expensive house near Chicago for 680,000 back in the 80's.  He sold that house for 690,000 in 2003 after putting 100,000 to remodel it.  He then bought a house in Los Altos for 1,700,000.  I think that house is now worth more than 3,500,000 now.

I don't think CA economy is in trouble anytime soon.

I think housing and urban sprawl are issues but they are unavoidable issues....there are things that the state can do to make housing easier to build and spread out sprawl (like building better public transit systems) but that runs into more problems like water and infrastructure...at some point...the state just has too many people.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: zubs on February 13, 2019, 10:31:25 AM
Well my point is that picking Chicago was a bad call back in the 80's.  Imagine if he had picked San Jose, or Irvine in the 80s.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 13, 2019, 10:31:32 AM
California has become Elysium.


https://youtu.be/QILNSgou5BY (https://youtu.be/QILNSgou5BY)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 13, 2019, 10:42:32 AM
And back to the point of this thread.  What scientists treat as settled and accepted as truth by some, many times is proven wrong when put to further scrutiny.  Are we now fat deniers? IE....

New Research Confirms We Got Cholesterol All Wrong
The U.S. government has pushed a lot of bad nutrition advice over the years. Maybe it should stop advising us on what to eat.

"No evidence exists to prove that having high levels of bad cholesterol causes heart disease, leading physicians have claimed" in the study, reports the Daily Mail. The Express likewise says the new study finds "no evidence that high levels of 'bad' cholesterol cause heart disease."

I'm one of many who has called out the DGAC and the federal government for foisting "decades of confusing and often-contradictory dietary advice" upon the American public. I also suggested, in a column last year, that one way the government might back up its claims to possess invaluable and unparalleled expertise in the areas of food policy and nutrition would be stop regularly reversing or altering its recommendations.

"The reason that we don't know about these huge reversals in dietary advice is that the nutrition establishment is apparently loathe to make public their major reversals in policy," Teicholz says. "The low-fat diet is another example: neither the AHA or the dietary guidelines recommend a low-fat diet anymore. But they have yet to announce this to the American public. And some in the establishment are still fighting to retain the low-fat status quo."

https://reason.com/archives/2018/09/22/new-research-confirms-we-got-cholesterol (https://reason.com/archives/2018/09/22/new-research-confirms-we-got-cholesterol)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: fortune11 on February 13, 2019, 10:58:22 AM
Here's the thing... If you believe global warming is a crisis that needs to be averted, then why aren't you doing everything in your power to change how you live... RIGHT NOW!  Why does it take heavy handed government action to force you to sell your over-sized Irvine box, sell your multiple vehicles, stop flying on planes, stop commuting to an office, and start riding your bike everywhere?  The global warming alarmists want to increase government control of our lives, but they don't even want to make small changes in their own lives. 

It doesn't take radical heavy-handed government policy to make social changes.  You can lead the charge by setting the example yourself (cut your own carbon usage before lecturing others), being nice to the opposition (something Irvinecommuter flatly rejects), and making a convincing case for what needs to change and why.  This is the libertarian approach and it will be much more successful than trying to ram legislation through that harms people's livelihoods , threatens their families, and leads to suffering.

Thanks Yoda! 

I'm glad that you know about my life and what I have or have not done.  But again..why are you influenced by what I do or don't do?  If climate change and its effects are real, then who cares what I do or don't do? 

I guess we should have done the same in the Civil Rights movement...just wait until people come to their sense.   Clearly, if we wanted to go to the moon, each person should have just started building rockets in their backyard and boom...we are walking on the moon.  I guess the smog in LA cleared up because people decided to pollute less. 

Weird that conservatives are all for the concept of collective power when in comes to private corporations but not government. 

Oh..California has been setting examples for 30+ years on the environmental front...so the rest of the country should follow too right?

Again...just say that you are selfish and don't want to do anything different.

Edit:  Missed my favorite line...from a MAGA supporter

Quote
being nice to the opposition

IC -- this was as solid and logical putdown as I have ever seen on this forum --- good post !
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 13, 2019, 11:24:00 AM
And back to the point of this thread.  What scientists treat as settled and accepted as truth by some, many times is proven wrong when put to further scrutiny.  Are we now fat deniers? IE....


Clearly we should not nothing until the science is 100% proven and infalliable....heck we should do these for all aspects of life...no flying until there are no plane crashes, no one should invest in the stock market until we can make sure every company is honest and pure, no one should eat anything until there are no incidents of food poisoning, we should not drive in cars until there are no more car crashes.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 13, 2019, 12:40:52 PM
I assume this article was meant to scare, but the irony is Arkansas has a far better climate than New York!!

By 2080, global warming will make New York City feel like Arkansas
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"Heading south" will have a whole new meaning in a few decades.

New York City, welcome to Arkansas. Minneapolis, say hello to Kansas. And San Francisco, your new home is L.A.

Because of global warming, hundreds of millions of Americans will have to adapt to dramatically new climates by 2080, a study published Tuesday suggests.

“The children alive today, like my daughter who is 12, they’re going to see a dramatic transformation of climate. It’s already underway,” said study lead author Matt Fitzpatrick of the University of Maryland’s Center for Environmental Science.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/12/global-warming-climate-change-shift-climates-south/2847860002/
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 14, 2019, 07:52:40 AM
This MAGA attitude can best be summed up as — “ yeah we lost  Miami to rising sea levels , but at least we owned the libs !! “

Or, isn't Miami beautiful?  Remember a hundred years ago when all those idiots wanted to ruin our economy to fight global warming that never happened because none of their complicated computer models ever were right?  Good thing we own the Libs!!


More 20th century thinking...transition into a green economy and reducing carbon emission are fantastic job/economy boosters.  Decentralization of the power grid, installation/building of green infrastructure, R&D into new green technology, and other green jobs are exactly what a first-world country like the US needs.  Relatively high paying jobs that cannot be outsourced.

This is basically like Trump saying that we need to save steel and coal jobs.

I don't understand why GOP/conservatives are so ready to rest on their laurels...US did not become the leader of the world by doing what other countries did.

This is a point always brought up whenever the argument is over economics...find one incident of green company success.  Solindra, Solar City, Aquion Energy, A123, Solar Trust, Sunrun, any wind farm, Tesla (where is the every-man $35k car?) and now the debacle to be forever known as the "Crazy Train"?  All government funded green projects, and all losers.  Any job created quickly evaporated when they went bankrupt or are currently on the way.  Government support has not proved a good investment in the economy, new or not.  If the Green Deal depends on this new economy there is a real track record that squelches that dream.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 14, 2019, 10:51:49 AM
TLDR;

So there is global warming... just not as bad as predicted?
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 14, 2019, 08:56:10 PM
Not economically viable or something to pin our financial future on.

Let’s be real’: California just proved that high-speed rail is a dead end

The California project was supposed to show how high-speed rail can replace air travel and help save the planet. But that ignores the expense, limited consumer demand and other practical problems — and the risk that technological change will render the investment worthless by the time anything gets built.

Ironically, Newsom delivered his news just days after the Green New Deal launched with its own bullet-train fantasies. You couldn’t ask for a better-timed reality check.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2019/02/14/california039s_reality_check_high-speed_rail_is_a_dead_end_466198.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2019/02/14/california039s_reality_check_high-speed_rail_is_a_dead_end_466198.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 15, 2019, 05:33:44 PM
Too lazy to start another thread:

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Darla Shine, a former TV producer and podcaster, falsely claimed Wednesday that sizable measles outbreaks in Washington state and New York are fake.

“Bring back our #ChildhoodDiseases they keep you healthy & fight cancer,” she tweeted, falsely claiming that a 2014 Mayo Clinic study proved the measles cures cancer.

In fact, the study outlined the use of a genetically modified version of the virus to treat one woman’s blood cancer. There’s no evidence that the standard measles virus cures cancer.

Darla Shine retweeted several people who peddled conspiracy theories that the government intends to hurt people using vaccines and that the injections cause autism. The CDC reports no link between vaccines and autism.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/top-trump-official-wife-calls-172151943.html
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 21, 2019, 10:07:14 AM
There have been several "scientific" predictions that soon California will have no skiing/snowboarding season at all.

Mammoth Mountain Breaks 30-Year-Old February Snowfall Record
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With over 22 feet of snow at the top, Mammoth broke their record for most snowfall in February. The record was set in February of 1987.

To put the heavy snowfall in perspective, they broke the record in just 16 days.

Mammoth Mountain boasts the most snow in the country. With all that snow, the resort has announced they will stay open until July 4th of this year.

So far in February, the mountain has received over 22 feet of snow and has received 446 inches of snow on their summit so far this season. This is the highest number of any resort in North America.

https://activenorcal.com/mammoth-mountain-breaks-30-year-old-february-snowfall-record/
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 21, 2019, 10:31:32 AM
Whaaa? I thought this was the "New Normal"?  I guess a change in leadership can change the weather,  or maybe its Global cooling this week.

Is Drought the ‘New Normal’ for California?

Some have already jumped to this conclusion.

“This is the new normal,” Gov. Jerry Brown declared during an April 1 press conference at which he announced mandatory urban water restrictions statewide, the first in state history. The news media amplified the pithy quote and several other elected officials have repeated the claim as their own.

Brown made the announcement at a snowless Sierra snow survey site. The water content of the mountain snowpack, so crucial to California’s water supply, was only 5 percent of the April 1 average, by far the lowest reading on record for that date.

https://www.newsdeeply.com/water/articles/2015/07/20/is-drought-the-new-normal-for-california (https://www.newsdeeply.com/water/articles/2015/07/20/is-drought-the-new-normal-for-california)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: zubs on February 21, 2019, 10:35:28 AM
2018 winter very wet very cold, snowing in Vegas.

I heard on the radio that this winter will be the last one where we have this much snow.  It will be dry like 2016 and 2017 for the foreseeable future.
I'll check back on this thread every year to see if the predictions are true.


time capsule post.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 21, 2019, 02:23:52 PM
Twin Cities / Minneapolis set February snowfall record — and it’s not over yet
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St. Paul and Minneapolis declared snow emergencies Wednesday as a winter storm dropped up to 10 inches on the metro area, making this the snowiest February on record in the Twin Cities by a wide margin.

The snowfall, which began early Wednesday morning and began to taper off only late in the afternoon, is just the first round expected this week. The second is forecast to arrive on Friday and continue through the weekend.

The snowfall was especially intense in the morning. By noon, the airport — which records the metro area’s official precipitation totals — had already received 7.8 inches, bringing the February tally for the Twin Cities to 30.4 inches. By 6 p.m., 8.9 inches of snow had fallen at the airport, bringing the monthly total to 31.5 inches.

Not only does that eclipse the metro area’s previous February record of 25.6 inches set in 1962, it also makes this among the top 10 snowiest months in Twin Cities history. The top month was November 1991, when 46.9 inches fell, much of it as a result of the infamous Halloween Blizzard.

https://www.twincities.com/2019/02/20/st-paul-minneapolis-minnesota-february-snow-record/
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: fortune11 on February 21, 2019, 08:50:06 PM
If I can sum this up and other currently “hot topics” among the MAGA crowd —

If it's cold anywhere, climate change is a hoax.

If a single hate crime is faked, racism doesn't exist.

If a single rape accusation is falsified, sexual assault isn't an issue.

Right wing thought in 2019 is just a glorified series of get-out-of-thinking free cards :)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 21, 2019, 08:59:27 PM
Again, accusing the other side of always thinking in absolutes, just not the case.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 22, 2019, 09:10:52 AM
Again, accusing the other side of always thinking in absolutes, just not the case.

Then maybe the other side should stop using anecdotal examples as sort of definitive evidence while ignoring context and other facts.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 22, 2019, 02:55:34 PM
Again, accusing the other side of always thinking in absolutes, just not the case.

Then maybe the other side should stop using anecdotal examples as sort of definitive evidence while ignoring context and other facts.

There is nobody that uses more anecdotes about climate change than those trying to create a panic.  Fact.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 22, 2019, 03:02:55 PM
Again, accusing the other side of always thinking in absolutes, just not the case.

Then maybe the other side should stop using anecdotal examples as sort of definitive evidence while ignoring context and other facts.

There is nobody that uses more anecdotes about climate change than those trying to create a panic.  Fact.

From the side that confuses weather with climate.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 22, 2019, 03:32:05 PM
Again, accusing the other side of always thinking in absolutes, just not the case.

Then maybe the other side should stop using anecdotal examples as sort of definitive evidence while ignoring context and other facts.

There is nobody that uses more anecdotes about climate change than those trying to create a panic.  Fact.

From the side that confuses weather with climate.

This is such a telling comment.  It shows that you don't know what you're really talking about.

Can you go ahead and define climate for me?  I'm going to drive up to downtown LA and play in the snow for a bit while you figure it out.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 22, 2019, 04:00:49 PM
Again, accusing the other side of always thinking in absolutes, just not the case.

Then maybe the other side should stop using anecdotal examples as sort of definitive evidence while ignoring context and other facts.

There is nobody that uses more anecdotes about climate change than those trying to create a panic.  Fact.

From the side that confuses weather with climate.

This is such a telling comment.  It shows that you don't know what you're really talking about.

Can you go ahead and define climate for me?  I'm going to drive up to downtown LA and play in the snow for a bit while you figure it out.

I will let the Encyclopedia Britannica do it:

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Adding confusion to the politics of climate change and global warming in the press is the assumption that the terms weather and climate are at some level interchangeable. The two terms are confused with one another, presumably because the same elements (solar radiation, temperature, humidity, wind speed and direction, precipitation, etc.) make them what they are, but there is more to the story. The main difference between weather and climate is duration. Weather and climate relate to one another in much the same way that an inning in a baseball game compares with the whole game.

The weather is the set of conditions in the atmosphere in one location for a limited period of time—such as throughout the day, at night, or at any particular point during the day. When your local meteorologist says that today will be partly sunny and 80 ⁰F with 10-mile-per-hour southwesterly winds and high humidity, he or she is talking about the weather conditions for some portion of a given day. Climate, however, describes the average condition of the atmosphere over a long period of time, such as across spans of 30 years or more, for a given location. Moreover, weather conditions change from hour to hour and even moment to moment for a single point, neighborhood, town, or city on Earth’s surface. Climate conditions, on the other hand, are far less volatile, and they are often used to describe larger areas—such as parts of countries, whole countries, or even groups of countries.

Climate conditions also differ between one part of the planet and another. We know that Africa’s Sahara has a much hotter and drier climate than South America’s Amazon River basin and Alaska’s rocky coast. The forces that shape the atmospheric conditions in each of these parts of the world are vastly different. In the Sahara, high pressure combined with its tropical location allows for more solar radiation to reach the ground and heat it throughout the year. In contrast, the conditions of Alaska’s Pacific coast are governed by the region’s proximity to the ocean, its subarctic location, vast differences in the number of daylight hours between summer and winter, and warm ocean currents that circulate nearby.

It’s easy to see why people who equate weather with climate might not see the problem of climate change as a big deal, since the weather is always changing. When climates change even slightly, however, the consequences can be much more severe than an afternoon of inclement weather. In the wild, specialized plants and animals that have evolved to adapt to one set of climate conditions face the challenge of being thrust suddenly into conditions that do not suit them. In the human sphere, once-predictable climate conditions become more volatile, and crop yields decline because of increased risks from unexpected flooding, drought, or the effects of unseasonable cold snaps.

https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-weather-and-climate
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on February 27, 2019, 06:19:11 PM
Here's the thing... If you believe global warming is a crisis that needs to be averted, then why aren't you doing everything in your power to change how you live... RIGHT NOW!  Why does it take heavy handed government action to force you to sell your over-sized Irvine box, sell your multiple vehicles, stop flying on planes, stop commuting to an office, and start riding your bike everywhere?  The global warming alarmists want to increase government control of our lives, but they don't even want to make small changes in their own lives. 

It doesn't take radical heavy-handed government policy to make social changes.  You can lead the charge by setting the example yourself (cut your own carbon usage before lecturing others), being nice to the opposition (something Irvinecommuter flatly rejects), and making a convincing case for what needs to change and why.  This is the libertarian approach and it will be much more successful than trying to ram legislation through that harms people's livelihoods , threatens their families, and leads to suffering.

Thanks Yoda! 

I guess we should have done the same in the Civil Rights movement...just wait until people come to their sense.   Clearly, if we wanted to go to the moon, each person should have just started building rockets in their backyard and boom...we are walking on the moon.  I guess the smog in LA cleared up because people decided to pollute less. 

Weird that conservatives are all for the concept of collective power when in comes to private corporations but not government. 

Oh..California has been setting examples for 30+ years on the environmental front...so the rest of the country should follow too right?

Again...just say that you are selfish and don't want to do anything different.

See you don't really believe in climate change either.  You're not willing to make even one small change to your own comfortable lifestyle.

This is why you will continue to lose on this issue.  Everybody sees the hypocrisy.  C'est la vie.

Oh someone didn’t conserve, better tell the climate scientists throw out all the data and start over, global warming is clearly fake! Irvinecommuter doesn’t believe!

Conservation is bs anyway. The measure of a civilization is the amount of energy it wields for its own ends. Maybe a good idea to get that energy from nuclear and renewables instead of terraforming our atmosphere though. Nah let’s just do an experiment to see the effect of massive CO2 increases, yolo!
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on March 14, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
The morons are in charge of the loony bin.   Nice virtue signalling that results in nothing, and don't tell me "the kids love it", thats a flat out lie.  He could have at least made if Fridays so as to help out with Lent.

New York public schools to have 'Meatless Mondays' starting this fall

That's because all public schools in New York will have "Meatless Mondays" in the 2019-2020 school year. New York Mayor Bill de Blasio introduced the new meal program Monday. Meatless Mondays, which will provide students with all-vegetarian breakfast and lunch offerings, is being expanded citywide from a pilot program that was tried out last spring in 15 schools.
"Cutting back on meat a little will improve New Yorkers' health and reduce greenhouse gas emissions," de Blasio said at a news conference. "We're expanding Meatless Mondays to all public schools to keep our lunch and planet green for generations to come."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/us/new-york-meatless-mondays-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/us/new-york-meatless-mondays-trnd/index.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on March 18, 2019, 04:15:45 PM
The morons are in charge of the loony bin.   Nice virtue signalling that results in nothing, and don't tell me "the kids love it", thats a flat out lie.  He could have at least made if Fridays so as to help out with Lent.

New York public schools to have 'Meatless Mondays' starting this fall

That's because all public schools in New York will have "Meatless Mondays" in the 2019-2020 school year. New York Mayor Bill de Blasio introduced the new meal program Monday. Meatless Mondays, which will provide students with all-vegetarian breakfast and lunch offerings, is being expanded citywide from a pilot program that was tried out last spring in 15 schools.
"Cutting back on meat a little will improve New Yorkers' health and reduce greenhouse gas emissions," de Blasio said at a news conference. "We're expanding Meatless Mondays to all public schools to keep our lunch and planet green for generations to come."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/us/new-york-meatless-mondays-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/us/new-york-meatless-mondays-trnd/index.html)

i will eat extra meat on mondays to make up for this travesty
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on March 25, 2019, 06:05:37 PM
No meat? Excuse me WTF?
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/16uUrM_ak6w/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on March 26, 2019, 07:21:30 AM
wait, this can't be right!  "natural cyclical cooling"....sounds like a conspiracy theory to me! the world is going to end in 12 years so i don't buy it!

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Big U-turn: Key melting Greenland glacier is growing again

A major Greenland glacier that was one of the fastest shrinking ice and snow masses on Earth is growing again, a new NASA study finds.

The Jakobshavn (YA-cob-shawv-en) glacier around 2012 was retreating about 1.8 miles (3 kilometers) and thinning nearly 130 feet (almost 40 meters) annually. But it started growing again at about the same rate in the past two years, according to a study in Monday’s Nature Geoscience . Study authors and outside scientists think this is temporary.

“That was kind of a surprise. We kind of got used to a runaway system,” said Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland ice and climate scientist Jason Box. “The good news is that it’s a reminder that it’s not necessarily going that fast. But it is going.”

Box, who wasn’t part of the study, said Jakobshavn is “arguably the most important Greenland glacier because it discharges the most ice in the northern hemisphere. For all of Greenland, it is king.”

A natural cyclical cooling of North Atlantic waters likely caused the glacier to reverse course, said study lead author Ala Khazendar, a NASA glaciologist on the Oceans Melting Greenland (OMG) project. Khazendar and colleagues say this coincides with a flip of the North Atlantic Oscillation — a natural and temporary cooling and warming of parts of the ocean that is like a distant cousin to El Nino in the Pacific.

The water in Disko Bay, where Jakobshavn hits the ocean, is about 3.6 degrees cooler (2 degrees Celsius) than a few years ago, study authors said.

https://www.apnews.com/b19abfb0a0534b51925aa121806255a8 (https://www.apnews.com/b19abfb0a0534b51925aa121806255a8)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on March 26, 2019, 09:43:00 AM
Can you go ahead and define climate for me?  I'm going to drive up to downtown LA and play in the snow for a bit while you figure it out.

I will let the Encyclopedia Britannica do it:

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Adding confusion to the politics of climate change and global warming in the press is the assumption that the terms weather and climate are at some level interchangeable. The two terms are confused with one another, presumably because the same elements (solar radiation, temperature, humidity, wind speed and direction, precipitation, etc.) make them what they are, but there is more to the story. The main difference between weather and climate is duration. Weather and climate relate to one another in much the same way that an inning in a baseball game compares with the whole game.

The weather is the set of conditions in the atmosphere in one location for a limited period of time—such as throughout the day, at night, or at any particular point during the day. When your local meteorologist says that today will be partly sunny and 80 ⁰F with 10-mile-per-hour southwesterly winds and high humidity, he or she is talking about the weather conditions for some portion of a given day. Climate, however, describes the average condition of the atmosphere over a long period of time, such as across spans of 30 years or more, for a given location. Moreover, weather conditions change from hour to hour and even moment to moment for a single point, neighborhood, town, or city on Earth’s surface. Climate conditions, on the other hand, are far less volatile, and they are often used to describe larger areas—such as parts of countries, whole countries, or even groups of countries.

Climate conditions also differ between one part of the planet and another. We know that Africa’s Sahara has a much hotter and drier climate than South America’s Amazon River basin and Alaska’s rocky coast. The forces that shape the atmospheric conditions in each of these parts of the world are vastly different. In the Sahara, high pressure combined with its tropical location allows for more solar radiation to reach the ground and heat it throughout the year. In contrast, the conditions of Alaska’s Pacific coast are governed by the region’s proximity to the ocean, its subarctic location, vast differences in the number of daylight hours between summer and winter, and warm ocean currents that circulate nearby.

It’s easy to see why people who equate weather with climate might not see the problem of climate change as a big deal, since the weather is always changing. When climates change even slightly, however, the consequences can be much more severe than an afternoon of inclement weather. In the wild, specialized plants and animals that have evolved to adapt to one set of climate conditions face the challenge of being thrust suddenly into conditions that do not suit them. In the human sphere, once-predictable climate conditions become more volatile, and crop yields decline because of increased risks from unexpected flooding, drought, or the effects of unseasonable cold snaps.

https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-weather-and-climate

This shows what I'm dealing with here... Somebody that has to google the definition of climate change from encyclopedia britannica.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on August 23, 2019, 10:02:30 AM
Why would they plunk down $15 million on 26 acres of water front property that they KNOW will be under water in just 12 years?  They should just keep renting it then buy the lot inland and move there when the tide comes in...they need better advisers.

A look inside the Martha’s Vineyard mansion the Obamas are reportedly buying

ormer president Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, are reportedly in escrow for a $14.85 million mansion on Martha’s Vineyard.

And not just any mansion — the one belonging to Celtics co-owner Wyc Grousbeck, which the Obamas rented out for their island vacation this August.

Grousbeck has been looking to unload his home for quite a while: It’s been on the market for four years.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/names/2019/08/22/photos-look-inside-martha-vineyard-mansion-obamas-are-reportedly-buying/WzMbNOGcP9HsCSMx3dkT0N/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/names/2019/08/22/photos-look-inside-martha-vineyard-mansion-obamas-are-reportedly-buying/WzMbNOGcP9HsCSMx3dkT0N/story.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on August 23, 2019, 11:19:21 AM
it's never been about the climate and what effect we may or may not be contributing.  it's about creating a narrative and painting a "bad guy" as someone who, "doesn't want to save the only planet we have."  how could those on the right be so evil as to poison our air and our water and increase the temperature to make life uninhabitable in antarctica?

case in point, your daily does of fake news and fake outrage

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Fake Amazon rainforest fire photos are misinforming on social media

BRAZIL — Social media helped increase coverage of the wildfires, but it’s also contributing to misinformation.

Yes, there is are real fires happening in the Amazon rainforest, and humans are likely the cause of the blazes. But yes, there are also a lot of the photos being shared are either old photos of past Amazon fires or photos of different fires faked to look like its in the Amazon.

In Brazil alone, there are 80% more fires in 2019 than there were last year, according to the country’s space research center. More than half of the fires in Brazil are in its Amazon region.

Satellite images are helping show just how many fires there are, and how much of their smoke has spread across the country.

But photos on social media are conflating the current crisis with previous fires.

One such photo — one of the most-shared photos on social media — shows a lush forest with a massive wall of smoke billowing from a fire.

Musical artist and actor Jaden Smith shared the image on his Instagram, where it garnered over a million likes. YouTube celebrity Logan Paul shared the image on Twitter, too.

Yes, the image shows the Amazon rainforest in Brazil. But it’s not of the current fires. It’s more than 20 years old: the Guardian, which republished the photo in 2007, says it was taken in June 1989.

Entertainment sites like 9gag and UNILAD both are running the photo on their websites. Their social media posts prominently featuring the photo have tens of thousands of shares.

Another photo making the rounds on social media claims to also show the Amazon rainforest on fire.

Leonardo DiCaprio shared it on his Instagram and it has over 3 million likes.

Even the Rainforest Trust, which is asking people to donate to help stop deforestation, shared it on its Twitter account.

But it’s definitely not showing the current fires in the Amazon. CNN found it on a website published in 2018.

Actor David Licauco shared four photos — all of which are not of the current wildfires in the Amazon. Two aren’t even of an Amazon wildfire. The top image is from a 2018 wildfire in Sweden; the bottom is of a wildfire in Montana on August 6, 2000.

The most heartbreaking photos being shared are the charred remains of animals, or animals attempting to escape wildfires. Blogger Nathalie Muñoz posted a series of photos about the Amazon rainforest fires.

The photo of the monkey crying, holding a smaller monkey, isn’t in the Amazon. It was taken in Jabalpur, India, by Avinash Lodhi sometime in April 2016. And the photo of the burned rabbit is from the 2018 wildfire in Malibu, California.

https://fox4kc.com/2019/08/22/fake-amazon-rainforest-fire-photos-are-misinforming-on-social-media/ (https://fox4kc.com/2019/08/22/fake-amazon-rainforest-fire-photos-are-misinforming-on-social-media/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on August 25, 2019, 05:26:05 AM
this graph says it all.  the fires in the amazon are no worse than the past 20 years.  "our lungs are on fire" though, right guys.....right?

(https://i.imgur.com/wcLTpCS.png)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/24/world/americas/amazon-rain-forest-fire-maps.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/24/world/americas/amazon-rain-forest-fire-maps.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on August 25, 2019, 08:01:59 AM
Won’t produce the raw data that he derived the “hockey stick “ from because....things that make you go hmmmm.

Michael Mann, creator of the infamous global warming ‘hockey stick,’ loses lawsuit against climate skeptic, ordered to pay defendant’s costs

Not only did the court grant Ball’s application for dismissal of the nine-year, multi-million dollar lawsuit, it also took the additional step of awarding full legal costs to Ball. A detailed public statement from the world-renowned skeptical climatologist is expected in due course.

This extraordinary outcome is expected to trigger severe legal repercussions for Dr Mann in the U.S. and may prove fatal to climate science claims that modern temperatures are “unprecedented.” (snip)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/michael_mann_creator_of_the_infamous_global_warming_hockey_stick_loses_lawsuit_against_climate_skeptic_ordered_to_pay_defendants_costs.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/michael_mann_creator_of_the_infamous_global_warming_hockey_stick_loses_lawsuit_against_climate_skeptic_ordered_to_pay_defendants_costs.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on August 27, 2019, 06:52:22 PM
They must not believe in their science.

Climate Change Could Leave Obama’s Possible New Mansion Underwater, According To Researchers Funded By Obama Admin

Former President Barack Obama’s possible new mansion on Martha’s Vineyard could be totally underwater by the year 2100, according to a climate change model relying on government data.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/26/obama-marthas-vineyard-mansion-climate-change/ (https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/26/obama-marthas-vineyard-mansion-climate-change/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on September 05, 2019, 09:59:21 AM
bernie is literally thanos

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Bernie Sanders: Abortion And Population Control Are Important Parts Of Addressing Climate Change

Presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders answered "yes" and spoke about abortion when asked at a CNN town hall event Wednesday night if population control would play a part in his administration's policy for dealing with climate change.

"Human population growth has more than doubled in the past 50 years. The planet cannot sustain this growth. I realize this is a poisonous topic for politicians, but it's crucial to face," an audience member asked. "Empowering women and educating everyone on the need to curb population growth seems a reasonable campaign to enact. Would you be courageous enough to discuss this issue and make it a key feature of a plan to address climate catastrophe?"

"The answer is yes," Sanders responded. "And the answer has everything to do with the fact that women in the United States of America, by the way, have a right to control their own bodies and make reproductive decisions."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/05/bernie_sanders_abortion_and_population_control_are_important_parts_of_addressing_climate_change.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/05/bernie_sanders_abortion_and_population_control_are_important_parts_of_addressing_climate_change.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Happiness on September 05, 2019, 04:21:24 PM
bernie is literally thanos

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Bernie Sanders: Abortion And Population Control Are Important Parts Of Addressing Climate Change

Presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders answered "yes" and spoke about abortion when asked at a CNN town hall event Wednesday night if population control would play a part in his administration's policy for dealing with climate change.

"Human population growth has more than doubled in the past 50 years. The planet cannot sustain this growth. I realize this is a poisonous topic for politicians, but it's crucial to face," an audience member asked. "Empowering women and educating everyone on the need to curb population growth seems a reasonable campaign to enact. Would you be courageous enough to discuss this issue and make it a key feature of a plan to address climate catastrophe?"

"The answer is yes," Sanders responded. "And the answer has everything to do with the fact that women in the United States of America, by the way, have a right to control their own bodies and make reproductive decisions."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/05/bernie_sanders_abortion_and_population_control_are_important_parts_of_addressing_climate_change.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/05/bernie_sanders_abortion_and_population_control_are_important_parts_of_addressing_climate_change.html)

The Chinese Communist Party must be so flattered that Comrade Sanders wants to use abortion for population control.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 06, 2019, 07:59:31 AM
After that seven hour clown fest this is the new Dem plank for saving the world...Soylent Green is People!!!


https://youtu.be/9IKVj4l5GU4 (https://youtu.be/9IKVj4l5GU4)

Swedish Prof Urges 'Eating Human Flesh — to Save the Climate'

Söderlund spoke on the topic, "Can you Imagine Eating Human Flesh?" He argued for breaking down the ancient taboos against desecrating the human corpse and, well, cannibalism. The clip is available on State Swedish Television channel TV4 at this link. The end of the video's description roughly translates to "the possibility of eating human flesh - to save the climate." How cannibalism would have any impact on the climate is anyone's guess, and it seems the professor is more focused on dealing with the aftereffects of climate change, anyway.

According to The Epoch Times, Söderlund dismissed taboos against cannibalism as "conservative." He suggested that people's resistance to eating human flesh "could be overcome, little by little, beginning with persuading people to just taste it." In the video, he warned "that since food sources will be scarce in the future, people must be introduced to eating things they have thus far considered disgusting—among them, human flesh."

https://pjmedia.com/trending/swedish-prof-urges-eating-human-flesh-to-save-the-climate/ (https://pjmedia.com/trending/swedish-prof-urges-eating-human-flesh-to-save-the-climate/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 19, 2019, 07:48:25 AM
Talk about 'boy who cried wolf'...best compilation of doomsday headlines over the last 50 years.  Not spun but in their own words. Why does anyone listen to them anymore? It's maddening.

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today.

None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true.

What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and science.

More than merely spotlighting the failed predictions, this collection shows that the makers of failed apocalyptic predictions often are individuals holding respected positions in government and science.

While such predictions have been and continue to be enthusiastically reported by a media eager for sensational headlines, the failures are typically not revisited.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions (https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 08:31:27 AM
Are you talking about the US or the Philippines? You are big time in the Philippines not so much in the US.

US dollar > Peso
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 19, 2019, 09:14:54 AM
Are you talking about the US or the Philippines? You are big time in the Philippines not so much in the US.

US dollar > Peso

US
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:15:33 AM
Are you talking about the US or the Philippines? You are big time in the Philippines not so much in the US.

US dollar > Peso

US

I think you got it twisted Chicken guy
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:17:55 AM
I was going to say ask your friend to give us a discount. (came to your wedding) BUT come to think of it never mind. I don’t think no one would use it. Lol
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 19, 2019, 09:24:29 AM
I don't even eat there.  I prefer McDonalds.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:27:18 AM
I don't even eat there.  I prefer McDonalds.

Exactly. If you don’t even eat there. Maybe you shouldn’t promote it or talk about it. Also, don’t knock Popeyes chicken like what you did. It’s really unbelievable..

(For the record I don’t eat Popeyes everyday.)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 19, 2019, 09:28:46 AM
I'm not promoting anything, eat where you want.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:31:21 AM
I'm not promoting anything, eat where you want.

In a way you are. (At jolly you mentioned lines out pass the parking lot around the block.) I mean come on give me a break.

Chicken man
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:31:54 AM
I hope your BP is okay. Because I’m laughing
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:33:13 AM
You see what happens. When someone calls me crazy. Nonstop direct flight from eyephone 247.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:36:58 AM
I hope your BP is okay. Because I’m laughing

I know this is effecting you. It seems like you lost a step or two
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:38:01 AM
You see what happens. When someone calls me crazy. Nonstop direct flight from eyephone 247.

You can always repent and bow down to greatness
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:45:13 AM
Maybe the way you act is okay in the Philippines but no in the US.

God Bless America
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 19, 2019, 09:45:50 AM
You're funny. ;D
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: MTalltheway on September 19, 2019, 09:53:41 AM
You're funny. ;D

I also find it hilarious how this eyephone guy gets so triggered, it's like he doesn't have anything better to do all day than being a keyboard warrior. ;D
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 19, 2019, 08:34:36 PM
Write your confessions...I wrote about meat “God wants me to eat meat or he would not have made animals so delicious!!”  Add your own for climate change walkout Day tomorrow

Climate Confessions
Even those who care deeply about the planet's future can slip up now and then. Tell us: Where do you fall short in preventing climate change? Do you blast the A/C? Throw out half your lunch? Grill a steak every week? Share your anonymous confession with NBC News.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/specials/climate-confessions-share-solutions-climate-change-n1054791 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/specials/climate-confessions-share-solutions-climate-change-n1054791)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 19, 2019, 09:51:38 PM
You're funny. ;D

I also find it hilarious how this eyephone guy gets so triggered, it's like he doesn't have anything better to do all day than being a keyboard warrior. ;D

Who is this guy? You ran away with your fake news in the other thread.

Go hard or go home.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 20, 2019, 07:40:55 AM
If you want some good laughs read the climate confessions posting. Normal people have turned it into a cynical comedy treasure chest.  The responses will definitely brighten up your morning coffee.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/specials/climate-confessions-share-solutions-climate-change-n1054791 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/specials/climate-confessions-share-solutions-climate-change-n1054791)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 20, 2019, 08:18:42 AM
Time Article: Reagan Administration Officials at First Dismissed the Ozone Hole. Here's What Changed

Looking back, environmental issues seem to have become personal for him around that time. The President had a skin cancerous growth on the right side of his nose removed three months after that historic study on the hole in the ozone layer. Between that surgery and his love of being outdoors, riding horses on his California ranch, the President may have been able to see how that it all related to the ozone hole, then-Secretary of State George Shultz told the Ozone Hole filmmakers. Eventually, he got behind the idea of a treaty to phase out chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), the compound linked to the atmospheric damage.

Source: https://time.com/5564651/reagan-ozone-hole/

Raegan understood the environmental impact. It’s too bad Trump does not see it.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on September 20, 2019, 08:22:52 AM
If you want some good laughs read the climate confessions posting. Normal people have turned it into a cynical comedy treasure chest.  The responses will definitely brighten up your morning coffee.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/specials/climate-confessions-share-solutions-climate-change-n1054791 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/specials/climate-confessions-share-solutions-climate-change-n1054791)

LOL

Quote
i make sure to empty an entire can of axe body spray every time i see a liberal complain about climate change, two cans if they force me to drink out of a paper straw
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 20, 2019, 08:32:32 AM
"who cares? I'll do what I like. I'll floor it in my gas guzzling sports car just for fun. You do not matter to me."

"I fly private jets. We will often burn an extra 500 gallons of fuel to save 10 minutes."

"I would rather the whole planet burn than give up steak. Kick rocks hippies."

Comedy Gold.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 20, 2019, 08:37:29 AM
Copy and paste from the right wing blogs.

"who cares? I'll do what I like. I'll floor it in my gas guzzling sports car just for fun. You do not matter to me."

"I fly private jets. We will often burn an extra 500 gallons of fuel to save 10 minutes."

"I would rather the whole planet burn than give up steak. Kick rocks hippies."

Comedy Gold.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 20, 2019, 08:59:32 AM
No, thats directly from the NBC news site....hardly right wing and certainly not the virtue signalling they were looking for...thats the comedy.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 20, 2019, 09:14:46 AM
This guy picks and chooses what he responds to. I will reference Ronald Raegan position on the environment in every post I make on TI until the Chicken guy responds on TI. (apparently he doesn’t go to the place where he promoted on TI)

[Long lines and there is a log wait, so much in demand] blah blah blah lol
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on September 20, 2019, 09:20:03 AM
He’s not going to respond because it is hard to grasp that Raegan recognized the environmental issues.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 09, 2019, 08:10:31 AM
Nice to know my $4.30 a gallon gas is paying for a useless push...thanks CARB.

Wildfires a massive threat to California’s progress in cutting greenhouse gases, report says

Though California has successfully cut carbon pollution, meeting its 2020 target four years early, “these achievements were eclipsed several times over by the 2018 wildfires, which produced more than nine times more emissions than were reduced in 2017,” according to the report.

If wildfires were listed alongside other pollution sources tracked by the state, their 2018 emissions would rank among the largest, spewing more than the state’s commercial, residential or agricultural sectors in 2017 — the most recent year for which data is available — but less than Transportation, industry or electricity generation.

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2019-10-08/california-must-triple-its-pace-of-emissions-reduction-or-miss-its-2030-climate-goals (https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2019-10-08/california-must-triple-its-pace-of-emissions-reduction-or-miss-its-2030-climate-goals)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: nosuchreality on October 09, 2019, 09:08:39 AM
Super easy solution, treat it as a biofuel and don't count the emissions.  That's what they do for bio-diesel, exclude tailpipe emission because the next crop will reabsorb the CO2. 

Just heard the report on the radio and an environmentalist state that nature emits CO2 emissions that readily are re-absorb but electrical wire sparked fires are "different". 

 ::)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 09, 2019, 08:29:11 PM
First, they came for my SUV, then they came for my straws, it was inevitable.....

Environmentalists have a new target: Charmin toilet paper

"It's just unacceptable that a company like P&G is making toilet paper, a product that is used for seconds and flushed, from virgin pulp," said Shelley Vinyard, boreal corporate campaign manager for the Natural Resources Defense Council and one of several dozen protesters at P&G's annual shareholders meeting in Cincinnati, Ohio, on Tuesday.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/charmin-toilet-paper-puts-procter-gamble-p-g-in-environmentalists-crosshairs/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/charmin-toilet-paper-puts-procter-gamble-p-g-in-environmentalists-crosshairs/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: aquabliss on October 09, 2019, 09:48:54 PM
In California they’ll make us all wipe with banana leaves soon.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on October 10, 2019, 06:20:48 AM
First, they came for my SUV, then they came for my straws, it was inevitable.....

Environmentalists have a new target: Charmin toilet paper

"It's just unacceptable that a company like P&G is making toilet paper, a product that is used for seconds and flushed, from virgin pulp," said Shelley Vinyard, boreal corporate campaign manager for the Natural Resources Defense Council and one of several dozen protesters at P&G's annual shareholders meeting in Cincinnati, Ohio, on Tuesday.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/charmin-toilet-paper-puts-procter-gamble-p-g-in-environmentalists-crosshairs/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/charmin-toilet-paper-puts-procter-gamble-p-g-in-environmentalists-crosshairs/)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/0a/b6/e50ab697343640046e4c51123f20d96f.gif)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: momopi on October 10, 2019, 08:45:29 AM

When I was in Japan, I observed that their toilets have add-on bidets, and the bathroom sink drains to toilet reserve tank for flushing.  The bidet helps to reduce toilet paper use, and the "recycled" sink water used for toilet flushing conserves water.

In Irvine we have a Lotus bidet store, but they're not cheap:
https://www.lotusseats.com/
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Happiness on October 10, 2019, 09:02:36 AM

When I was in Japan, I observed that their toilets have add-on bidets, and the bathroom sink drains to toilet reserve tank for flushing.  The bidet helps to reduce toilet paper use, and the "recycled" sink water used for toilet flushing conserves water.

In Irvine we have a Lotus bidet store, but they're not cheap:
https://www.lotusseats.com/
You still need to dry your ass with toilet paper after you spray it with a bidet.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 10, 2019, 09:05:58 AM
Idiot, more pointless virtue signalling...next time I stay at the Four Seasons I'm bringing an empty bottle to take home the gallon of quality shampoo in my hotel shower....years supply! >:D ;)

California bans hotels from using tiny plastic bottles

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Hotels in the nation's most populous state will have to stop giving guests small plastic shampoo bottles under a new law set to take effect starting in 2023.

Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Wednesday he had signed a law banning hotels from giving guests plastic bottles filled with shampoo, conditioner or soap. It takes effect in 2023 for hotels with more than 50 rooms and 2024 for hotels with less than 50 rooms.

Violators could be fined $500 for a first offense and $2,000 for subsequent violations.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/hotels/2019/10/10/california-hotel-bottle-ban-law-prohibits-tiny-plastic-bottles/3928360002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/hotels/2019/10/10/california-hotel-bottle-ban-law-prohibits-tiny-plastic-bottles/3928360002/)

Polystyrene breaks down naturally in just DECADES, not the thousands of years previously predicted by scientists
Polystyrene is the plastic oft used to make packing chips, cups and food boxes
The plastic is considered by many lawmakers to essentially survive 'forever'   
When exposed to UV light, however, it is known to yellow and physically weaken
Now researchers have shown that sunlight degrades polystyrene chemically too

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7558539/Polystyrene-breaks-naturally-just-DECADES-not-thousands-years-previously-predicted.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7558539/Polystyrene-breaks-naturally-just-DECADES-not-thousands-years-previously-predicted.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Happiness on October 10, 2019, 09:12:51 AM
Idiot, more pointless virtue signalling...next time I stay at the Four Seasons I'm bringing an empty bottle to take home the gallon of quality shampoo in my hotel shower....years supply! >:D ;)

California bans hotels from using tiny plastic bottles

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Hotels in the nation's most populous state will have to stop giving guests small plastic shampoo bottles under a new law set to take effect starting in 2023.

Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Wednesday he had signed a law banning hotels from giving guests plastic bottles filled with shampoo, conditioner or soap. It takes effect in 2023 for hotels with more than 50 rooms and 2024 for hotels with less than 50 rooms.

Violators could be fined $500 for a first offense and $2,000 for subsequent violations.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/hotels/2019/10/10/california-hotel-bottle-ban-law-prohibits-tiny-plastic-bottles/3928360002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/hotels/2019/10/10/california-hotel-bottle-ban-law-prohibits-tiny-plastic-bottles/3928360002/)



You know that hotel guests will pee in, or do worse, to the wall mounted bulk shampoo containers.





Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: nosuchreality on October 10, 2019, 09:34:08 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/29/2b/23292bfc04be592c0fde2c67e79c5a4b.jpg)

Those that cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 10, 2019, 09:44:37 AM
Like today, that was a farce. Today they would accuse Espera de Corti of cultural appropriation and exploitation...

The 'Crying Indian' ad that fooled the environmental movement

The campaign was based on many duplicities. The first of them was that Iron Eyes Cody was actually born Espera de Corti — an Italian-American who played Indians in both his life and on screen. The commercial’s impact hinged on the emotional authenticity of the Crying Indian’s tear. In promoting this symbol, Keep America Beautiful was trying to piggyback on the counterculture’s embrace of Native American culture as a more authentic identity than commercial culture.

The second duplicity was that Keep America Beautiful was composed of leading beverage and packaging corporations. Not only were they the very essence of what the counterculture was against; they were also staunchly opposed to many environmental initiatives.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-indian-crying-environment-ads-pollution-1123-20171113-story.html
 (https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-indian-crying-environment-ads-pollution-1123-20171113-story.html)

https://youtu.be/8Suu84khNGY (https://youtu.be/8Suu84khNGY)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on October 10, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Idiot, more pointless virtue signalling...next time I stay at the Four Seasons I'm bringing an empty bottle to take home the gallon of quality shampoo in my hotel shower....years supply! >:D ;)

California bans hotels from using tiny plastic bottles

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Hotels in the nation's most populous state will have to stop giving guests small plastic shampoo bottles under a new law set to take effect starting in 2023.

Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Wednesday he had signed a law banning hotels from giving guests plastic bottles filled with shampoo, conditioner or soap. It takes effect in 2023 for hotels with more than 50 rooms and 2024 for hotels with less than 50 rooms.

Violators could be fined $500 for a first offense and $2,000 for subsequent violations.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/hotels/2019/10/10/california-hotel-bottle-ban-law-prohibits-tiny-plastic-bottles/3928360002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/hotels/2019/10/10/california-hotel-bottle-ban-law-prohibits-tiny-plastic-bottles/3928360002/)



You know that hotel guests will pee in, or do worse, to the wall mounted bulk shampoo containers.

that's just extra "all-natural protein"
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: momopi on October 10, 2019, 10:44:31 AM

When I was in Japan, I observed that their toilets have add-on bidets, and the bathroom sink drains to toilet reserve tank for flushing.  The bidet helps to reduce toilet paper use, and the "recycled" sink water used for toilet flushing conserves water.

In Irvine we have a Lotus bidet store, but they're not cheap:
https://www.lotusseats.com/

You still need to dry your ass with toilet paper after you spray it with a bidet.


Yes, but you'd use 50%-75% less toilet paper.  Washing with a bidet (or use baby wipes) is also more sanitary.  If you just wipe with dry toilet paper, you're actually smearing the stuff around your skin.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on October 10, 2019, 10:46:57 AM

When I was in Japan, I observed that their toilets have add-on bidets, and the bathroom sink drains to toilet reserve tank for flushing.  The bidet helps to reduce toilet paper use, and the "recycled" sink water used for toilet flushing conserves water.

In Irvine we have a Lotus bidet store, but they're not cheap:
https://www.lotusseats.com/

You still need to dry your ass with toilet paper after you spray it with a bidet.


Yes, but you'd use 50%-75% less toilet paper.  Washing with a bidet (or use baby wipes) is also more sanitary.  If you just wipe with dry toilet paper, you're actually smearing the stuff around your skin.

just use your hand and wash your hand.  that way you don't have to use any toilet paper.  gotta save the environment!
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: momopi on October 10, 2019, 11:40:45 AM
just use your hand and wash your hand.  that way you don't have to use any toilet paper.  gotta save the environment!


In Malaysia they have handheld bidets installed next to the toilet.  You can just use it to hose your bum.  However, the downside is that the floors are often wet even with local hot & dry weather.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: nosuchreality on October 10, 2019, 11:53:35 AM
How dare you

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2019-09-30/researchers-question-need-to-cut-back-on-red-meat
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: nosuchreality on October 10, 2019, 01:09:57 PM
Kamela Harris: "If you live in the Bay Area, here’s a helpful website for tracking PG&E’s power shut-offs. None of this is acceptable and PG&E must be held accountable for the lack of maintenance of their power lines. For now, please stay safe and exercise caution."

https://www.facebook.com/343657505977389/posts/1053137881696011/


Oh yes, we must all ignore California governments, regulators and politicians like Harris fingerints all over the clusterf*ck that is wildfire risk and energy regulation.  Not to mention this has been the communicated plan for months.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on October 10, 2019, 02:17:59 PM
Kamela Harris: "If you live in the Bay Area, here’s a helpful website for tracking PG&E’s power shut-offs. None of this is acceptable and PG&E must be held accountable for the lack of maintenance of their power lines. For now, please stay safe and exercise caution."

https://www.facebook.com/343657505977389/posts/1053137881696011/


Oh yes, we must all ignore California governments, regulators and politicians like Harris fingerints all over the clusterf*ck that is wildfire risk and energy regulation.  Not to mention this has been the communicated plan for months.

just more virtue signaling from a failed presidential candidate that can't even poll above 8% in her home state
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on October 10, 2019, 02:33:38 PM
Kamela Harris: "If you live in the Bay Area, here’s a helpful website for tracking PG&E’s power shut-offs. None of this is acceptable and PG&E must be held accountable for the lack of maintenance of their power lines. For now, please stay safe and exercise caution."

https://www.facebook.com/343657505977389/posts/1053137881696011/


Oh yes, we must all ignore California governments, regulators and politicians like Harris fingerints all over the clusterf*ck that is wildfire risk and energy regulation.  Not to mention this has been the communicated plan for months.

just more virtue signaling from a failed presidential candidate that can't even poll above 8% in her home state

It sure looks like her campaign is toast.  Time to go back to dope smokin and Tupac listenin.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 16, 2019, 09:24:28 AM
Cause they know that no one really cares... ;D ;) >:D

DEMOCRATIC DEBATE QUESTIONS SLAMMED: 'THREE HOURS AND NO QUESTIONS TONIGHT ABOUT CLIMATE, HOUSING, OR IMMIGRATION. BUT YOU KNOW, ELLEN'

https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-debate-questions-slammed-three-hours-no-questions-tonight-about-climate-housing-1465583 (https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-debate-questions-slammed-three-hours-no-questions-tonight-about-climate-housing-1465583)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on October 16, 2019, 09:34:34 AM
How about Ronald Reagan?
He claims to be a big Republican. But he slams Reagan.

Like I previously mentioned he’s an opportunist.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 16, 2019, 09:43:43 AM
How about Ronald Reagan?
He claims to be a big Republican. But he slams Reagan.

Like I previously mentioned he’s an opportunist.

Not really all that green...


Carter shows off his new solar panels at the installation ceremony in 1977.

In 1986 when the price of energy was temporarily cheaper and Americans’ minds were less focused on environmental issues, President Reagan ordered the panels removed from the White House roof. Reagan, who didn’t think much of solar energy, also allowed the tax credit Carter had instated to lapse.

Then came “a clear, calculated campaign by the [Department of Energy] in the years of the Reagan administration to crush the solar energy program of the federal government” according to Denis Hayes, an expert on solar energy who worked for the government at the time. According to another expert involved in Carter’s original solar panel installation, Reagan’s Administration “felt that the equipment was just a joke… and he had it taken down.”

https://forgottenhistoryblog.com/the-white-house-sported-solar-panels-until-reagan-removed-them-in-1986/ (https://forgottenhistoryblog.com/the-white-house-sported-solar-panels-until-reagan-removed-them-in-1986/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Happiness on October 16, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
Cause they know that no one really cares... ;D ;) >:D

DEMOCRATIC DEBATE QUESTIONS SLAMMED: 'THREE HOURS AND NO QUESTIONS TONIGHT ABOUT CLIMATE, HOUSING, OR IMMIGRATION. BUT YOU KNOW, ELLEN'

https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-debate-questions-slammed-three-hours-no-questions-tonight-about-climate-housing-1465583 (https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-debate-questions-slammed-three-hours-no-questions-tonight-about-climate-housing-1465583)

Amazing how little it takes to "enrage" the Liberal internet hordes.

Liberals make the Chinese Communist Party look thick-skinned.




Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 19, 2019, 12:03:33 AM
Proud of our local In n Out employees and our local cops...Kick rocks extinction rebellion!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728 (https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on October 21, 2019, 10:33:38 AM
Proud of our local In n Out employees and our local cops...Kick rocks extinction rebellion!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728 (https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728)

The protesters went "In" and the employee carried them "Out".
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 21, 2019, 10:35:31 AM
Proud of our local In n Out employees and our local cops...Kick rocks extinction rebellion!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728 (https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728)

The protesters went "In" and the employee carried them "Out".

Then the cops put them on ice...it was hilarious!!! ;D >:D
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on October 21, 2019, 11:05:22 AM
Proud of our local In n Out employees and our local cops...Kick rocks extinction rebellion!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728 (https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728)

The protesters went "In" and the employee carried them "Out".

Then the cops put them on ice...it was hilarious!!! ;D >:D

Would you like to have your protest to go, or in the car?
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 22, 2019, 09:41:47 AM
So now that Polar bears seem to be so uncooperative by not dying out from global warming , we must change the marketing campaign to distract from reality...Squirrel!!!

Unaffected by climate change, Nunavut polar bears found to exceed ‘co-existence threshold'
The plan leans heavily on Inuit knowledge, which yields population estimates higher than those suggested by western science

There are too many polar bears in parts of Nunavut and climate change hasn’t yet affected any of them, says a draft management plan from the territorial government that contradicts much of conventional scientific thinking.

https://nationalpost.com/news/so-many-bears-draft-plan-says-nunavut-polar-bear-numbers-unsafe (https://nationalpost.com/news/so-many-bears-draft-plan-says-nunavut-polar-bear-numbers-unsafe)

Why we're rethinking the images we use for our climate journalism

We know, from years of experience, that people love polar bears and pandas, so it is easy to see how these appealing creatures have become the emblems for the topics of endangered species and what we previously termed as global warming. Often, when signalling environmental stories to our readers, selecting an image of a polar bear on melting ice has been the obvious – though not necessarily appropriate – choice. These images tell a certain story about the climate crisis but can seem remote and abstract – a problem that is not a human one, nor one that is particularly urgent.

So it made sense when we heard that research conducted by the team at Climate Visuals has shown that people respond to human pictures and stories. Images that show emotion and pictures of real situations make the story relevant to the individual. Rather than choosing, say, an image of a smoke stack pumping out pollution or a forest on fire

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/18/guardian-climate-pledge-2019-images-pictures-guidelines (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/18/guardian-climate-pledge-2019-images-pictures-guidelines)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 24, 2019, 08:47:22 AM
Now this foolishness is taking lives...

Eco madness may be reason for disastrous Boeing 737 MAX safety issues

relentless pressure to reduce emissions appears to have been a significant factor in the disastrous safety failures of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, which resulted in two fatal crashes in the past year, claiming 346 lives.

The warning from Boeing’s catastrophes is that climate ideology can have fatal consequences.

The 737 MAX was trumpeted as “Boeing’s game changer.” It reduced emissions by 14 percent and Boeing raced it into production to compete with a climate-friendly new offering from Airbus.

But in order to achieve its green goal, Boeing had to use much bigger engines that didn’t fit in the usual position under the wing of the repurposed, 53-year-old 737 design.

The engines had to be moved forward and hoisted higher.

As a result, the aerodynamics changed, and the planes had a tendency to pitch up and potentially stall on takeoff. Boeing’s solution to this hardware defect was an imperfect software bandage that would automatically correct the pitch. In both crashes, preliminary investigations found this software kicked in even when the plane wasn’t stalling, with lethal consequences.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/devine-eco-madness-may-be-reason-for-disastrous-boeing-737-max-safety-issues/ (https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/devine-eco-madness-may-be-reason-for-disastrous-boeing-737-max-safety-issues/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on October 24, 2019, 10:59:11 AM
Now this foolishness is taking lives...

Eco madness may be reason for disastrous Boeing 737 MAX safety issues

relentless pressure to reduce emissions appears to have been a significant factor in the disastrous safety failures of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, which resulted in two fatal crashes in the past year, claiming 346 lives.

The warning from Boeing’s catastrophes is that climate ideology can have fatal consequences.

The 737 MAX was trumpeted as “Boeing’s game changer.” It reduced emissions by 14 percent and Boeing raced it into production to compete with a climate-friendly new offering from Airbus.

But in order to achieve its green goal, Boeing had to use much bigger engines that didn’t fit in the usual position under the wing of the repurposed, 53-year-old 737 design.

The engines had to be moved forward and hoisted higher.

As a result, the aerodynamics changed, and the planes had a tendency to pitch up and potentially stall on takeoff. Boeing’s solution to this hardware defect was an imperfect software bandage that would automatically correct the pitch. In both crashes, preliminary investigations found this software kicked in even when the plane wasn’t stalling, with lethal consequences.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/devine-eco-madness-may-be-reason-for-disastrous-boeing-737-max-safety-issues/ (https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/devine-eco-madness-may-be-reason-for-disastrous-boeing-737-max-safety-issues/)

But at least their virtue was signaled.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on October 24, 2019, 11:15:23 AM
How about you ride on the 737? Currently a lot of countries have banned the plane including the US.

Now this foolishness is taking lives...

Eco madness may be reason for disastrous Boeing 737 MAX safety issues

relentless pressure to reduce emissions appears to have been a significant factor in the disastrous safety failures of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, which resulted in two fatal crashes in the past year, claiming 346 lives.

The warning from Boeing’s catastrophes is that climate ideology can have fatal consequences.

The 737 MAX was trumpeted as “Boeing’s game changer.” It reduced emissions by 14 percent and Boeing raced it into production to compete with a climate-friendly new offering from Airbus.

But in order to achieve its green goal, Boeing had to use much bigger engines that didn’t fit in the usual position under the wing of the repurposed, 53-year-old 737 design.

The engines had to be moved forward and hoisted higher.

As a result, the aerodynamics changed, and the planes had a tendency to pitch up and potentially stall on takeoff. Boeing’s solution to this hardware defect was an imperfect software bandage that would automatically correct the pitch. In both crashes, preliminary investigations found this software kicked in even when the plane wasn’t stalling, with lethal consequences.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/devine-eco-madness-may-be-reason-for-disastrous-boeing-737-max-safety-issues/ (https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/devine-eco-madness-may-be-reason-for-disastrous-boeing-737-max-safety-issues/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on October 24, 2019, 11:17:43 AM
You see what he’s doing. He’s blaming people someone else for 737 problems.

A typical post by Morekas. Don’t fall for it.

Same thing goes about Raegan. He said he’s dead he doesn’t care about him. But when I mentioned his accomplishments. Then he said he loves Raegan. All because it doesn’t fit his agenda. Unbelievable

A total bot
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 24, 2019, 11:22:05 AM
Another "scalp" offered to the god Gaia

SHE WOULD HAVE STOOD A BETTER CHANCE AGAINST POLAR BEARS

Dr. Susan Crockford is one of the world’s leading experts on polar bears. As such, she has repeatedly reported the inconvenient fact that polar bears are thriving, with their populations burgeoning. Why is this fact inconvenient? Because climate change activists have chosen polar bears–considered to be cute by people who don’t have to deal with them–as a propaganda tool.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/10/she-would-have-stood-a-better-chance-against-polar-bears.php (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/10/she-would-have-stood-a-better-chance-against-polar-bears.php)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on October 24, 2019, 11:23:34 AM
You see what he’s doing. He’s blaming people someone else for 737 problems.

A typical post by Morekas. Don’t fall for it.

Same thing goes about Raegan. He said he’s dead he doesn’t care about him. But when I mentioned his accomplishments. Then he said he loves Raegan. All because it doesn’t fit his agenda. Unbelievable

A total bot


He can’t dispute my post. So continues to posts with his eyes closed.

It’s like a dog that can’t run anymore. (Kind of feel sorry for this guy)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 24, 2019, 11:28:37 AM
You see what he’s doing. He’s blaming people someone else for 737 problems.

A typical post by Morekas. Don’t fall for it.

Same thing goes about Raegan. He said he’s dead he doesn’t care about him. But when I mentioned his accomplishments. Then he said he loves Raegan. All because it doesn’t fit his agenda. Unbelievable

A total bot


He can’t dispute my post. So continues to posts with his eyes closed.

It’s like a dog that can’t run anymore. (Kind of feel sorry for this guy)

addressed this awhile ago...keep up

How about Ronald Reagan?
He claims to be a big Republican. But he slams Reagan.

Like I previously mentioned he’s an opportunist.

Not really all that green...


Carter shows off his new solar panels at the installation ceremony in 1977.

In 1986 when the price of energy was temporarily cheaper and Americans’ minds were less focused on environmental issues, President Reagan ordered the panels removed from the White House roof. Reagan, who didn’t think much of solar energy, also allowed the tax credit Carter had instated to lapse.

Then came “a clear, calculated campaign by the [Department of Energy] in the years of the Reagan administration to crush the solar energy program of the federal government” according to Denis Hayes, an expert on solar energy who worked for the government at the time. According to another expert involved in Carter’s original solar panel installation, Reagan’s Administration “felt that the equipment was just a joke… and he had it taken down.”

https://forgottenhistoryblog.com/the-white-house-sported-solar-panels-until-reagan-removed-them-in-1986/ (https://forgottenhistoryblog.com/the-white-house-sported-solar-panels-until-reagan-removed-them-in-1986/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on October 24, 2019, 11:30:43 AM
There’s a rebuttal for that. Look at my previous post about Raegan. Let me find it.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: nosuchreality on October 24, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
Now this foolishness is taking lives...

Eco madness may be reason for disastrous Boeing 737 MAX safety issues

relentless pressure to reduce emissions appears to have been a significant factor in the disastrous safety failures of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, which resulted in two fatal crashes in the past year, claiming 346 lives.

The warning from Boeing’s catastrophes is that climate ideology can have fatal consequences.

The 737 MAX was trumpeted as “Boeing’s game changer.” It reduced emissions by 14 percent and Boeing raced it into production to compete with a climate-friendly new offering from Airbus.

But in order to achieve its green goal, Boeing had to use much bigger engines that didn’t fit in the usual position under the wing of the repurposed, 53-year-old 737 design.

The engines had to be moved forward and hoisted higher.

As a result, the aerodynamics changed, and the planes had a tendency to pitch up and potentially stall on takeoff. Boeing’s solution to this hardware defect was an imperfect software bandage that would automatically correct the pitch. In both crashes, preliminary investigations found this software kicked in even when the plane wasn’t stalling, with lethal consequences.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/devine-eco-madness-may-be-reason-for-disastrous-boeing-737-max-safety-issues/ (https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/devine-eco-madness-may-be-reason-for-disastrous-boeing-737-max-safety-issues/)

Trite.

Seriously apologist for greed and blind hate for any environmental regulations. The eco-engines aren't about emissions, thats pablum for the masses, they're purely about fuel efficiency because fuel for jets is MFing expensive and volatile.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 30, 2019, 01:55:21 PM
Make up your mind already...are we burning up or gonna freeze our nuts off?

Earth is facing another ICE AGE: Scientists claim an increase in sea ice could block the release of carbon dioxide from the ocean and cause a global COOLING

Computer simulations show that an increase in sea ice could spark an ice age
Acts as a lid on the ocean, blocking it from releasing carbon dioxide
This would create a reverse greenhouse effect and cool the earth

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-/Explosion-sea-ice-levels-spark-ice-age-time-2-MILLION-years.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-/Explosion-sea-ice-levels-spark-ice-age-time-2-MILLION-years.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: nosuchreality on October 30, 2019, 06:03:17 PM
Make up your mind already...are we burning up or gonna freeze our nuts off?

Earth is facing another ICE AGE: Scientists claim an increase in sea ice could block the release of carbon dioxide from the ocean and cause a global COOLING

Computer simulations show that an increase in sea ice could spark an ice age
Acts as a lid on the ocean, blocking it from releasing carbon dioxide
This would create a reverse greenhouse effect and cool the earth

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-/Explosion-sea-ice-levels-spark-ice-age-time-2-MILLION-years.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-/Explosion-sea-ice-levels-spark-ice-age-time-2-MILLION-years.html)

It helps if you read more than a headline.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on October 30, 2019, 06:30:34 PM
Did
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on November 05, 2019, 02:12:59 PM
Well it used to sound just like communism but now its a Thanos like final solution...

Earth Needs Fewer People to Beat the Climate Crisis, Scientists Say

(Bloomberg) -- Forty years ago, scientists from 50 nations converged on Geneva to discuss what was then called the “CO2-climate problem.” At the time, with reliance on fossil fuels having helped trigger the 1979 oil crisis, they predicted global warming would eventually become a major environmental challenge.

The scientists got to work, building a strategy on how to attack the problem and laying the groundwork for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the world’s preeminent body of climate scientists. Their goal was to get ahead of the problem before it was too late. But after a fast start, the fossil fuel industry, politics and the prioritization of economic growth over planetary health slowed them down.

Now, four decades later, a larger group of scientists is sounding another, much more urgent alarm. More than 11,000 experts from around the world are calling for a critical addition to the main strategy of dumping fossil fuels for renewable energy: there needs to be far fewer humans on the planet.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/population-control-critical-part-climate-150004993.html (https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/population-control-critical-part-climate-150004993.html)


https://youtu.be/dFomwoVngOI (https://youtu.be/dFomwoVngOI)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on December 02, 2019, 12:39:45 PM
Thunberg’s Epic Fail: Yacht Captain Flies To The Rescue From Britain To Virginia
Quote
The teenage guru of environmental alarmists around the world does not fly due to the carbon emissions produced by air travel. Instead of flying to Madrid, Spain to attend the 2019 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP 25), Greta Thunberg is crossing the Atlantic in a catamaran. Her adventure of crossing the ocean from Virginia to Portugal spotlights one glaring fact, though. The yacht captain who volunteered to sail the teen on her journey flew from England to Virginia, thus canceling out any savings of carbon emissions Thunberg may have managed.

(https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Greta-Thunberg.jpg)

https://hotair.com/archives/karen-townsend/2019/12/02/thunbergs-epic-fail-yacht-captain-flies-rescue-britain-virginia/
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on December 10, 2019, 09:56:22 PM
#winning!!

Exxon wins first climate change lawsuit against a major oil company as judge rules they did not mislead investors

The New York attorney general had accused the Texas-based company of using two sets of books to hide the true cost of climate change from investors
Exxon said the two sets of figures used to calculate dollars per ton of carbon emissions served different purposes - evaluating global demand and planning for specific capital projects
The case, filed in October 2018, was the first of several climate change lawsuits against major oil companies to go to trial
Justice Ostrager said that the state had failed to prove investors were misled
The Union of Concerned Scientists argued that the ruling won't thwart overall efforts to hold oil and gas companies to account for climate harms


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7776993/Judge-rules-Exxon-Mobil-suit-climate-regulations.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7776993/Judge-rules-Exxon-Mobil-suit-climate-regulations.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on December 11, 2019, 10:12:44 AM
(https://i.redd.it/e6gk84hn50441.jpg)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on December 11, 2019, 10:29:36 AM
Think he's on to something ....

(CNN)Brazil's president has called Swedish climate change activist Greta Thunberg a "brat" after she condemned violence against indigenous people who were killed in the Amazon.

"Greta has said that the Indians died because because they were defending the Amazon. It's amazing that the press gives space to this kind of pirralha," Jair Bolsonaro told reporters in Brasilia.
Pirralha is a derogatory Portuguese word meaning "brat."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/americas/bolsonaro-thunberg-brat-intl-scli/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/americas/bolsonaro-thunberg-brat-intl-scli/index.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on December 20, 2019, 11:14:45 AM
I'm going out for steaks tonight, ordering two, eating one, stuffing the other full or straws and throwing it in the ocean... ;D >:D

Families that eat out at restaurants and consume large amounts of sweets and alcohol are likely to have a higher carbon footprint than MEAT eaters, study claims
Experts studied the carbon footprints of around 60,000 Japanese households
Many families in Japan have gone vegan to reduce their carbon emissions
However, meat was found less impactful than eating out, sweets and alcohol
The findings highlight the dietary changes needed to combat climate change

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7814169/Dining-buying-lots-sweets-alcohol-gives-higher-carbon-footprints-MEAT-eating.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7814169/Dining-buying-lots-sweets-alcohol-gives-higher-carbon-footprints-MEAT-eating.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on December 21, 2019, 10:31:28 AM
But you don’t live in the US so how do you know?
He trolls like no others.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on December 21, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
We have steak in Moscow too!
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on December 21, 2019, 01:04:35 PM
We have steak in Moscow too!

Exactly...
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on January 17, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
Children should never dictate economic policy.

9th Circuit Court Of Appeals Deals Brutal Blow To Teens Who Sued Trump Over Climate Change


The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in California ruled Friday that children do not have standing to sue the Trump administration and the federal government for not adequately addressing climate change.

Climate policy comes under the purview of Congress and the president, not the court system, the U.S. Court of Appeals decided in a split decision. Attorneys for the teenagers can ask the U.S. Supreme Court to allow the trial to continue in Oregon, where it was initially filed

https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/17/donald-trump-9th-circuit-court/ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/17/donald-trump-9th-circuit-court/)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on January 24, 2020, 12:30:25 PM
Her "Demands"?  Who died and elected her queen of the world?  I got some pretty smart kids but I can't put them in charge of separating trash from recyclables. Makes sense to give the reins of Trillion dollar economies to a kid...brilliant!

Greta Thunberg says her 'demands' to Davos billionaires on climate change 'have been completely ignored' but admits she 'expected nothing less'
Greta Thunberg demanded that world leaders immediately stop investing in fossil fuels at Davos this week
17-year-old told the World Economic Forum that 'almost nothing has been done' to tackle climate change
She was subsequently mocked by US treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin, who told her to 'study economics'
Comes after Donald Trump urged leaders to ignore 'the prophets of doom' who are predicting an apocalypse

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7924739/Greta-Thunberg-says-demands-Davos-billionaires-completely-ignored.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7924739/Greta-Thunberg-says-demands-Davos-billionaires-completely-ignored.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on January 30, 2020, 10:49:58 AM
Doing my part for global warming, I am restoring this beast as my daily driver. ;D ??? >:D
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 15, 2020, 11:41:21 AM
Well they didn’t see that coming either.

Despite shrieks of terror from the left about how President Donald Trump’s presidency threatens the existence of Earth and thus mankind, the fact is that under his leadership, America continues to lead the world in total emissions decline.

“The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis -- a fall of 140 [million tons], or 2.9%, to 4.8 gigatons],” the Paris-based  International Energy Agency (IEA) revealed in a report Tuesday.

The entire European Union, which consists of 28 nations, meanwhile only lowered emissions by 160 million tons total, or roughly 5.71 mt per nation.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/02/emissions_accomplished__trump_wins_on_fracking.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/02/emissions_accomplished__trump_wins_on_fracking.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Liar Loan on February 28, 2020, 09:04:20 AM
Doing my part for global warming, I am restoring this beast as my daily driver. ;D ??? >:D

She's a beauty!  I wish they still made em like that.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 28, 2020, 10:02:04 AM
Screw Tesla...give me good old air aspirated 5.8 liter gas guzzling power.  While everybody is stalled in their dead electric cars during the corona zombie apocalypse, I’ll be running over the walking dead.  Just got her back from the paint shop...I’m in love all over again!!
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 28, 2020, 11:37:29 AM
That's what the Cybertruck is for... solar powered Mad Max!
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 28, 2020, 11:45:31 AM
But What happens when we scorch the sky to stop AI?



 (https://youtu.be/EVM5-_fusjs)[/url]
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 28, 2020, 02:40:14 PM
But What happens when we scorch the sky to stop AI?

Gas doesn't have a long shelf life... the sun will come back eventually. :)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 28, 2020, 08:55:34 PM
Gasoline...all the gasoline you could ever want...



 (https://youtu.be/O6k55DfHm48)[/url]
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on March 02, 2020, 08:41:55 AM
YAHH...my Greenhouse gas pumping, gas guzzling, corona virus zombie Apocalypse killer is back from the shop.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Happiness on March 02, 2020, 09:57:25 AM
Mainland China car makers now peddling coronavirus proof SUVs:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/32399/geely-is-marketing-to-peoples-worst-fears-with-this-new-coronavirus-proof-suv


YAHH...my Greenhouse gas pumping, gas guzzling, corona virus zombie Apocalypse killer is back from the shop.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on March 04, 2020, 08:47:44 AM
Thank you...give up and fade away please.  Better yet, go back to school and get an education...

Greta Thunberg cannot hide how unimpressed she is by European Commission's new climate law as she declares their 2050 clean air target a 'surrender' and 'giving up'
Greta Thunberg attended Commission meeting today where law was unveiled
She and fellow activists have already dismissed the new proposals as 'surrender'
Law would commit the EU to reaching zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8073933/Greta-Thunberg-looks-unimpressed-EUs-climate-law.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8073933/Greta-Thunberg-looks-unimpressed-EUs-climate-law.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Kings on March 04, 2020, 10:06:16 AM
Thank you...give up and fade away please.  Better yet, go back to school and get an education...

Greta Thunberg cannot hide how unimpressed she is by European Commission's new climate law as she declares their 2050 clean air target a 'surrender' and 'giving up'
Greta Thunberg attended Commission meeting today where law was unveiled
She and fellow activists have already dismissed the new proposals as 'surrender'
Law would commit the EU to reaching zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8073933/Greta-Thunberg-looks-unimpressed-EUs-climate-law.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8073933/Greta-Thunberg-looks-unimpressed-EUs-climate-law.html)

it must be tiring being so angry all the time
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on May 07, 2020, 11:49:39 AM
YAHH...my Greenhouse gas pumping, gas guzzling, corona virus zombie Apocalypse killer is back from the shop.

A manly man car, as opposed to a Prius or Tesla.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on May 26, 2020, 01:43:10 PM
See? There are so many silver linings here...not only is gas cheap, plastic bag ban is gone...now plastic utensils and straws are back in vogue!!....We just took a giant step back...Bravo!!

Hide the silverware: Plastic forks rule as restaurants reopen
Disposable plates and drinking straws are staging a comeback in California and across the country. too.
As restaurants around California — and the country — reopen for full-service dining, the state says reusable tableware is fine with proper precautions. That’s at odds with the CDC, which says disposable dishes, utensils, napkins and tablecloths should be the default.

California recycling and clean water groups are pushing back on the federal guidance, sending a letter to Gov. Gavin Newsom this month questioning surface transmission of the virus and blaming plastics and petrochemicals manufacturers for "trying to influence CDC guidelines for reopening food establishments in their favor."

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/05/22/california-environmentalists-fear-plastic-tableware-will-become-dining-norm-1285630 (https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/05/22/california-environmentalists-fear-plastic-tableware-will-become-dining-norm-1285630)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Happiness on June 07, 2020, 10:28:30 AM
Global warming no longer a problem as pilot flies an airplane 380 miles to draw a raised fist in the sky:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/canadian-pilot-flew-flight-path-161712925.html
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: adventurous on June 07, 2020, 11:05:37 AM
Would the scientists get their hefty grants, if they didn't make a mountain out of a molehill?
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on June 14, 2020, 09:55:46 AM
Wonderful articles refuting climate change and other Leftist hoaxes at

http://c3headlines.com (http://c3headlines.com)

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: daedalus on June 30, 2020, 09:16:20 PM
I like Turtles.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on July 02, 2020, 07:19:19 AM
So when someone tells a truth you don’t like...the mob makes it disappear...unfortunately for the mob, the internet has a long memory...

 Forbes falls to cancel culture as it erases environmentalist's mea culpa

Shellenberger’s remarkable cri de coeur in Forbes starting “On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem.”
Sorry. Did I say “in Forbes?” Alas, if you go there now you get a terse “This page is no longer active. We regret any inconvenience.” In the fast-vanishing spirit of fair play, I contacted Forbes to see if it was just a technical glitch. Nyet, tovarisch.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-robson-forbes-falls-to-cancel-culture-as-it-erases-environmentalists-mea-culpa/wcm/370ca87c-37c3-4376-8e95-78231ae5fd46/ (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-robson-forbes-falls-to-cancel-culture-as-it-erases-environmentalists-mea-culpa/wcm/370ca87c-37c3-4376-8e95-78231ae5fd46/)

Fortunately, the original piece survived the mob...

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize
For The Climate Scare


https://wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Schellenberger-Apology.pdf (https://wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Schellenberger-Apology.pdf)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on July 03, 2020, 04:00:54 PM

Shellenberger’s remarkable cri de coeur

"Cri de coeur."  Ooooh, this guy is good!
Thank you very much for that incredible article.  How rare that an Environmental Extremist expresses such honesty.  How very rare.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2020, 09:30:23 PM
The water is rising take a look at the Florida, New York, Louisiana, and New Hampshire.

(Where is my thanks?) jkjk
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on July 29, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
..and another thing!...

Apocalypse Never — The Polar Bears Are Alive and Well


With the polar bears pictured on the cover of his new book Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All, Michael Shellenberger is here to report that polar bears are alive and well. He is announcing to the world that things are not as bad as we are being told. Throughout the book, the author provides a litany of positive trends for the environment, for a message that contrasts sharply with what he describes as a broad and deep misinformation campaign propagated by environmental advocates. The overall theme of the book is that environmentalists have deliberately exaggerated news of impending climate disaster or the collapse of biodiversity. While threats exist, we have much reason to hope that human societies will adapt to environmental change with the right combination of technology, management, and good governance.

https://outline.com/F34GjL (https://outline.com/F34GjL)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on August 07, 2020, 11:25:23 AM
There are ~30,000 polar bears today, 23,000 more than when Al Gore was born.

His silly Earth in the Balance is fraught with ignorance and nonsense.  But it was good enough for the Unabomber to read over and over again in his rathole cabin while mailing out package bombs to kill scholars and conservatives.

P 146  “Each person in the U.S. produces an average of twenty tons of CO2 each year.”

[Al produces far more than this with his globetrotting to Russia, Antarctica, the Arctic Ocean, Amazon Rain Forest, Equatorial Africa, Caribbean, Kenya, Louisiana, Atlanta, and even Mount Rainier where he flew his son on Air Force 2 for his birthday.]


P 151  “…we are running out of places to put it (our garbage).”
[Al, drive from Los Angeles to Phoenix or Las Vegas, look out both sides, and stop spouting this nonsense.]


P 162 “Throwing away children:  nothing could better illustrate my strong belief that the worst of all forms of pollution is wasted lives!”

[This from a Baptist hypocrite who preaches the Bible to us and who has always supported abortion.  Thirty-five million babies murdered based on a lie to the Supreme Court.  Norma McCorvey claimed that she was raped. She lied.]

P 171  “The Constitution is still universally recognized as the world’s most forward-looking charter for self-government.”
[When it suits them, liberals make such grand statements as this.  Other times, they hatefully attack the free market system which is the product of our Constitution.]


What a striking contrast between the awesome power and efficiency of our economic system displayed in its philosophical rout of Marxism-Leninism, the abject failure of which continues to poison air and water, the fouling of our air, the destruction of tens of thousands of living species every year.(P 185)

The Constitution is great, but it’s not.  Capitalism is great, but it’s not. Are you following this flunkout from divinity school?  On Page 75, Gore referred derisively to blind laissez-faire economics. Here it is a philosophical rout.”
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on August 28, 2020, 12:08:00 PM
Find me the white whale!!...

A second Trump term would mean severe and irreversible changes in the climate

No joke: It would be disastrous on the scale of millennia.
If Donald Trump is reelected president, the likely result will be irreversible changes to the climate that will degrade the quality of life of every subsequent generation of human beings, with millions of lives harmed or foreshortened. That’s in addition to the hundreds of thousands of lives at present that will be hurt or prematurely end.

This sounds like exaggeration, some of the “alarmism” green types are always accused of. But it is not particularly controversial among those who have followed Trump’s record on energy and climate change.

“As bad as it seems right now,” says Josh Freed of Third Way, a center-left think tank, “the climate and energy scenario in Trump II would be much, much worse.”

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/8/27/21374894/trump-election-second-term-climate-change-energy-russia-china (https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/8/27/21374894/trump-election-second-term-climate-change-energy-russia-china)

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on September 24, 2020, 11:50:02 AM
Nuh uhh...I meant....Well actually...I meant.... ;D >:D

New York 'Climate Clock' highlights decades of premature prophecies of global warming doomsday
The 10-year window to halt global warming has been repeatedly extended.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/environment/new-yorks-global-warming-doomsday-clock-underscores-decades-shifting (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/environment/new-yorks-global-warming-doomsday-clock-underscores-decades-shifting)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on November 19, 2020, 10:38:08 AM
Fun to revisit this but not sure if it belongs here or in the Snowflake thread...oh well, funny anyway...

Sending just ONE email less every day could cut CO2 emissions by 16,000 tonnes - the same as 80,000 flights
Research from OVO Energy found half of Brits send unnecessary emails daily
Sending one less every day could cut CO2 emissions by 16,000 tonnes a year
This is the equivalent of 81,152 flights from London to Madrid or taking 3,334 diesel cars off the road

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8966829/Sending-just-ONE-email-day-cut-CO2-emissions-16-000-tonnes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8966829/Sending-just-ONE-email-day-cut-CO2-emissions-16-000-tonnes.html)

Glass bottles are much WORSE for the environment than plastic because manufacturing them uses more energy and resources, study finds
Researchers from Southampton evaluated various types of beverage packaging
They considered the impact of glass and plastic bottles, cans and milk cartons
Part of the problem with glass bottles is that they are not reused enough today
The most environmentally-friendly containers are cartons and aluminium can

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8966051/Environment-Glass-bottles-WORSE-plastic-given-energy-needed-make-study-says.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8966051/Environment-Glass-bottles-WORSE-plastic-given-energy-needed-make-study-says.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: icey on November 19, 2020, 03:29:11 PM
Would suggest some more reputable sources other the Daily Mail, which is the equivalent of the Sun or National Inquirer.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/doctors-should-protest-climate-inaction-top-medical-journal-says/
https://www.thelancet.com/infographics/climate-and-health

It's also instructive to acknowledge the money trail of who is funding the messages.

Some people enjoy getting preyed upon I guess
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on November 19, 2020, 03:39:34 PM
That article is a year old...find some fresh sources.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: icey on November 19, 2020, 03:42:07 PM
This one is pretty fresh, enjoy:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/information-overload-helps-fake-news-spread-and-social-media-knows-it/
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on November 19, 2020, 03:43:24 PM
That article is a year old...find some fresh sources.

I am curious...is there any article that will convince you that climate change is real and materially caused by human activity? 

Cause there are thousands of studies and overwhelming amount of scientists and experts who study the subject who say those things are true. 
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: nosuchreality on November 19, 2020, 03:46:47 PM
Would suggest some more reputable sources other the Daily Mail, which is the equivalent of the Sun or National Inquirer.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/doctors-should-protest-climate-inaction-top-medical-journal-says/
https://www.thelancet.com/infographics/climate-and-health

It's also instructive to acknowledge the money trail of who is funding the messages.

Some people enjoy getting preyed upon I guess

While I agree the daily is pulp trash, there have been many studies looking at Lifecycle pollution.  Break even on a reuseable mug versus disposable paper cup is something like 7 years of daily use. 

Just eyeballing previous job environments their use is rarely daily and frequently doesn't make six months let alone 7 years.

Preyed upon needs to include the emotional.manipulation and misinformation propagated in the crusade. When I really want to piss off my woke cousin, I ask him how the stainless steel straws are doing.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on November 19, 2020, 04:03:24 PM
That article is a year old...find some fresh sources.

I am curious...is there any article that will convince you that climate change is real and materially caused by human activity? 

Cause there are thousands of studies and overwhelming amount of scientists and experts who study the subject who say those things are true. 

No
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: Irvinecommuter on November 19, 2020, 04:08:20 PM
That article is a year old...find some fresh sources.

I am curious...is there any article that will convince you that climate change is real and materially caused by human activity? 

Cause there are thousands of studies and overwhelming amount of scientists and experts who study the subject who say those things are true. 

No

So why bother with this discussion at all?  You clearly have no intent on changing your belief based upon evidence and/or science.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on November 19, 2020, 04:26:55 PM
You would be amazed at how much I really do read on both sides and I have seen nothing that convinces me it is not natural and even if it were real that there is anything we could do about it. I feel we should concentrate on what we humans do best, adapt.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: icey on November 19, 2020, 05:20:42 PM
We've all been victims of the misinformation campaign going on since the 1970s, when Exxon knew about all this. Exxon has some of the best technical minds in the world working for them.

This has been well known for a while.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: irvinehomeowner on November 19, 2020, 05:51:40 PM
morekaos is a flat earther. :)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on November 19, 2020, 07:34:42 PM
morekaos is a flat earther. :)

I almost fell off the edge once...but it turned out to be a wall!

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on November 21, 2020, 03:16:55 AM
Science: 


Water vapor is THE dominant greenhouse gas. Not carbon dioxide.  Water vapor.
Water vapor makes up ~15,000 ppmv of the atmosphere versus ~410 ppmv for CO2.
Water vapor is far more efficient at absorbing infrared radiation than carbon dioxide.
The Keeling Curve is the driving fraudulent lie behind the irrational FEAR of global warming, renamed "climate change".

http://TheGlobalWarmingFraud.wordpress.com (http://TheGlobalWarmingFraud.wordpress.com), where thousands of scientists refute the lies and fearmongering of Al Gore and his acolytes.

Hypocrites who still worship at the altar of Al Gore should sell their cars, stop taking vacations, stop going to entertainment venues, and certainly STOP driving their lazy children to high school and then picking them up, creating massive traffic jams that NIMBYS love to hate.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: icey on November 21, 2020, 04:02:00 PM
I’m sure you’d love to return to the days of water being on fire from pollution igniting and smog alerts in Southern California.

That’s okay, we’re here to help those of you who can’t help yourselves.

The cult deprogramming begins
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on November 22, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
Yes icey, you're pure of heart, just like all those Hollywood Hypocrites who:
1.  Live in huge mansions and
2.  Have multiple mansions and vacation homes, and
3.  Fly in their private jets, and
4.  Own private yachts, and
5. Take frequent vacations and trips overseas at considerable expense and huge consumption of fossil fuels which you Leftist hate but use more than anybody else, but
NOBODY wants pollution like you lie relentlessly and hatefully about.

Don't you ever get ashamed or even embarrassed about your vile, hateful lies? Ever?
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: icey on November 22, 2020, 06:35:03 PM
Trying to distinguish pollution from climate change is a weak dichotomy like telling us it’s okay to drink water from the toilet bowl.

Also, blaming each other for pollution concerns is green washing messaging/programming at work. Consumers bear a responsibility for conservation and habits, but the bulk of the accountability falls upon the system owners.

Not sure why so many will defend a club of people who don’t care about them, and one they’ll never be a part of.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on November 24, 2020, 09:21:15 AM
Trying to distinguish pollution from climate change is a weak dichotomy like telling us it’s okay to drink water from the toilet bowl. 

YOUR PREVIOUS POST DID JUST THAT - conflate pollution and climate change:

"I’m sure you’d love to return to the days of water being on fire from pollution igniting and smog alerts in Southern California." - Confused icey

Let me help you.  Smog alerts were the result of millions of cars, driving and spewing that compound that frightens you Leftists so very much, carbon dioxide.  I know, this is science and science is hard, especially when all you can hear is the political ranting of Fake News. 

You lie relentlessly and then try to reach a conclusion based on YOUR LIES. Nobody wants "to return to water being on fire."  NOBODY.    But you Leftists keep regurgitating the same garbage over and over because it's all you have. Lies.

You continue:  "Consumers bear a responsibility for conservation and habits, but the bulk of the accountability falls upon the system owners."

Whatever this "system" is and who its  "owners" you do not say because it's nonsense.  Corporations, such as those EEEEVIL gasoline manufacturers produce what humans want and need very desperately.   You drive to work, while you hypocritically condemn that EEEEVIL gasoline, that will bring families together this Thanksgiving. 

It's obviously a complete waste of time to read anything you say, so on to my Ignore List you go. 
ciao brutto
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on December 08, 2020, 12:07:07 PM
Greenland Glaciers are melting because I drive a Ford Bronco. That science is settled....or not...

Why are glaciers and sea ice melting?


Since the early 1900s, many glaciers around the world have been rapidly melting. Human activities are at the root of this phenomenon. Specifically, since the industrial revolution, carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions have raised temperatures, even higher in the poles, and as a result, glaciers are rapidly melting, calving off into the sea and retreating on land.

Even if we significantly curb emissions in the coming decades, more than a third of the world’s remaining glaciers will melt before the year 2100. When it comes to sea ice, 95% of the oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic is already gone.

Scientists project that if emissions continue to rise unchecked, the Arctic could be ice free in the summer as soon as the year 2040 as ocean and air temperatures continue to rise rapidly.

https://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/why-are-glaciers-and-sea-ice-melting (https://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/why-are-glaciers-and-sea-ice-melting)

Or Maybe....

Flow of hot rocks rising from the Earth's core beneath central Greenland is melting the ice from below and contributing to sea-level rise, study finds
Experts from Japan mapped the plume of molten rock rising under Greenland
To do this, they analysed the speed of seismic waves travelling beneath the Earth
The plume rises from the core-mantle boundary to around a depth of 255 miles
It also has branched that feed geothermal activity in both Iceland and Jan Mayen

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9029805/Geology-Hot-rock-rising-beneath-central-Greenland-melting-ice-below.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9029805/Geology-Hot-rock-rising-beneath-central-Greenland-melting-ice-below.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on February 03, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
Lurch makes me laugh...I'm glad he's back, he is so easy to make fun of (jenjus kahhhn) ;D ;D >:D

'Only choice for somebody like me':John Kerry flew on private jet to accept climate award

It turns out Leonardo di Caprio isn’t the only one taking private jets to pick up climate awards. Biden global climate czar John Kerry flew by private plane in 2019 to accept an award for his climate work in Iceland, a decision he defended at the time as “the only choice for somebody like me,” as shown on a video posted Wednesday by FoxNews.com.(Snip) A private jet produces up to 40 times more carbon-dioxide emissions per passenger than a commercial airplane, but Mr. Kerry offered no apologies for his transportation mode, touting his climate bona fides and saying his schedule gave him little choice.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/3/john-kerry-flew-private-jet-accept-climate-award-o/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/3/john-kerry-flew-private-jet-accept-climate-award-o/)


Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on February 04, 2021, 07:20:11 AM
Kerry was just named Climate Czar by Traitor Joe Briben, perhaps because Kerry created 166 METRIC TONS of carbon dioxide last year jet-setting around in his private jet, while he tells YOU SHEEP to ride your bicycles and take the bus.

http://TheGlobalWarmingFraud.wordpress.com (http://TheGlobalWarmingFraud.wordpress.com)

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on March 16, 2021, 12:20:26 PM
Why believe anything they say?....

Scientists Say Earth's Warming Could Set Off Wide Disruptions

By William K. Stevens
Sept. 18, 1995

"A continuing rise in average global sea level, which is likely to amount to more than a foot and a half by the year 2100. This, say the scientists, would inundate parts of many heavily populated river deltas and the cities on them, making them uninhabitable, and would destroy many beaches around the world. At the most likely rate of rise, some experts say, most of the beaches on the East Coast of the United States would be gone in 25 years. They are already disappearing at an average of 2 to 3 feet a year."

https://web.archive.org/web/20210123131658/https:/www.nytimes.com/1995/09/18/world/scientists-say-earth-s-warming-could-set-off-wide-disruptions.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20210123131658/https:/www.nytimes.com/1995/09/18/world/scientists-say-earth-s-warming-could-set-off-wide-disruptions.html)

So here we are 25 full years later, a whole quarter of a century later, and the first prediction from these unnamed “experts” has not even come close to occurring, so why should we believe the dire predictions about the year 2100?

We shouldn’t.

Here’s something else that didn’t happen…

Despite these “expert” predictions, and despite the fact tons of leftists live on the East Coast, and despite the fact leftists claim to believe Global Warming is real, in 1995, there was no panicked exodus by those who live on the East Coast. If you believe Global Warming is real… If you believe the “experts”… Why would you not immediately sell your beach house before the rising tide destroyed your multi-million dollar investment?

But what happened is the exact opposite. The population along the East Coast has only gone up over the last 25 years, property values have gone up. Which tells you that no one believed — despite the “experts” and their own claims to believe “experts” — that the East Coast because would be gone by now.

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on March 16, 2021, 12:33:02 PM
Oh and....

Last month was coldest February in US since 1989
Lauren Fox
Tue, March 16, 2021, 8:23 AM·7 min read
If you felt like last month's bitter cold was chillier than in previous years, that's because it was colder than normal in most places. New data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released last week marked February 2021 as record cold in comparison to previous years.

February 2021 was the coldest February for the United States in over 30 years, according to the NOAA report, and the coldest February for the entire globe since 2014. North America, Scandinavia and northern Asia were all significantly below average in temperature last month. Each of those regions measured temperatures at least 5.4 degrees Fahrenheit below average.

The central and eastern tropical Pacific Ocean, Australia and parts of the southern oceans were also notably colder during February 2021 in comparison to recent years.

https://news.yahoo.com/last-month-coldest-february-us-152354106.html (https://news.yahoo.com/last-month-coldest-february-us-152354106.html)
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on March 20, 2021, 04:49:54 AM
Arguing climate climate change doesn't exist is like arguing the derivative of x^2 == log(x). It just tells the informed reader you don't know what you are talking about (or linking to) and to ignore your assertions/analysis.

However, analysis of whether the impact of climate change is worth the cost of a (potentially?) premature transition to nuclear and renewables is actually worthwhile.

Regardless, we are switching to renewables (it's in the definition of renewable), or fusion ( basis of renewable anyway, thanks sun). What is the cost of delaying the transition and thus  terraforming earth's atmosphere? More importantly (probably), can we bootstrap civilization without readily accessible fossil fuels? Should we leave some in the ground in case we (inevitably?) fail/fall?

I hope you like parens. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.





Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on April 08, 2021, 05:48:59 PM

So why bother with this discussion at all?  You clearly have no intent on changing your belief based upon evidence and/or science.

YOU clearly have no intent on changing your belief based upon evidence and science.

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.  We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.” – Ottmar Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

The UN’s climate czarina, Christiana Figueres, has also been quite vocal in explaining that the UN’s imposing climate change agenda extends far beyond mere environmental concerns:
“It must be understood that what is occurring here, not just in Doha, but in the whole climate change process is a complete transformation of the economic structure of the world.”

“The inconvenient truth is that it’s not about carbon – it’s about capitalism.  … we can seize this existential crisis to transform our failed economic system and build something radically better [socialism, of course].” – Naomi Klein, This Changes Everything:  Capitalism vs. the Climate

The long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.” – United Nations International Panel on Climate Control, 2007

Whistleblowers at the U.S. government’s official keeper of the global warming stats, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), claim their agency doctored temperature data to hide the fact that global temperatures plateaued almost 20 years ago.
http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-finally-its-safe-for-the-whistleblowers-of-corrupted-climate-science-to-speak-out

Over 440 scientific papers published in 2019 are skeptical of climate alarm.

https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/30/over-440-scientific-papers-published-in-2019-support-a-skeptical-position-on-climate-alarm/%MCEPASTEBIN%

Hundreds of peer reviewed papers published in 2015 were skeptical of the “consensus” of human-caused climate change.
http://notrickszone.com/250-skeptic-papers-from-2015/#sthash.FwAuJa0i.dpbs
Hundreds of peer reviewed papers published in 2014 were skeptical of the “consensus” of anthropogenic climate change.  http://notrickszone.com/248-skeptical-papers-from-2014/#sthash.XYODyXVZ.dpbs

“Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum” – NASA, Oct 7, 2014
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

MUCH MORE SCIENCE refuting your panic is available.  You simply choose to ignore, reject and trivialize it with the pettiest of excuses.

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: eyephone on April 08, 2021, 06:51:38 PM
Water is rising in Florida and Louisiana. You all ready know.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: StarmanMBA on April 09, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
Metro Rail went past me today in Irvine and I was unable to see a single passenger in any window.  This is "mass transit" courtesy of the Insane Left.

I met with Mayor Choi years ago pointing out the absurd waste of shuttles going back and forth from John Wayne Airport to the Irvine Train Station, empty.  Mayor Choi invited me and a functionary from Orange County Transportation Authority to make their case for continuing this $110,000,000 boondoggle.  Choi said "Public transportation only takes in an average of 10 cents for every dollar of expense."  I replied, iShuttle only takes in one cent."

But all this slinging money at nonsense makes the Left feel better about themselves and that's what matters to them, the media, Democrats, educators, unions, socialists and America-haters.

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on April 21, 2021, 10:21:54 AM
As earth day approaches (whenever that is) let us bow our heads and reflect....

“You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time. It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in Arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. It might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears the earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. Do you think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine. When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. A hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.”

― Michael Crichton, Jurassic Park / Congo
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: nosuchreality on April 21, 2021, 12:09:32 PM
42

- Deep Thought, Life, the Universe and Everything.
Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on May 17, 2021, 11:07:11 AM
...a witch!!!  Burn it!!!...

'Tree farts' from a ghost forest in North Carolina are releasing greenhouse gases, experts find

'Tree farts' from so-called 'ghost forests' in North Carolina are contributing to greenhouse gas emissions, according to experts from North Carolina State University.

Dead trees -- also known as snags -- in these 'ghost forests' release carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide in trace amounts (as does the nearby soil) that are contributing on some level to greenhouse gases.

'Even though these standing dead trees are not emitting as much as the soils, they're still emitting something, and they definitely need to be accounted for,' the study's lead author Melinda Martinez, a graduate student in forestry and environmental resources at NC State, said in a statement. 'Even the smallest fart counts.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9587763/Tree-farts-ghost-forest-North-Carolina-adding-greenhouse-gases.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9587763/Tree-farts-ghost-forest-North-Carolina-adding-greenhouse-gases.html)

Title: Re: Experts admit global warming predictions wrong
Post by: morekaos on May 27, 2021, 11:34:32 AM
How much you wanna bet that this never reaches completion?....but nice signaling. ;D >:D

Biden administration reveals plans for wind farms off the California coast
More than 250,000 acres off the California coast will be open to wind development, the Biden administration announced Tuesday.

Under this new plan, wind power projects would be built off the coast of Morro Bay in Central California and Humboldt Bay in Northern California, and combined, they could generate 4,600 megawatts of electricity that could power 1.6 million homes, the Los Angeles Times reports. Wind energy does not produce greenhouse gas emissions, and offshore wind farms will help fight climate change and create more than 77,000 jobs, the White House said. Now, there are only two wind farms in the United States, both on the East Coast.

Gina McCarthy, President Biden's senior climate change adviser, said on Tuesday the California projects will "set the stage for the long-term development of clean energy and the growth of a brand-new, made-in-America industry." California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) agreed, saying these "game-changing" wind farms will benefit "diverse communities" across the state. He believes the projects will be built 20 miles offshore, with room for about 380 wind turbines. The Pacific Ocean is deep, and the turbines will have to float, held in place by cables.

There is some pushback from a variety of detractors, including people who live on the coast and don't want to look at turbines. Previously, the Department of Defense cautioned that offshore wind farms off the California coast could interfere with military training and operations, but Colin Kahl, undersecretary of defense for policy, said on Tuesday suitable locations were found that are out of the way, the Times reports.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/984375/biden-administration-reveals-plans-wind-farms-california-coast (https://theweek.com/speedreads/984375/biden-administration-reveals-plans-wind-farms-california-coast)

Doomed!!...but not before wasting more taxpayer money...like this disaster...

U.S. Solar Power Plant Backed by Over $700 Million in Government Loans Goes Bust: Filing

(Reuters) - The owner of a big Nevada solar-thermal power plant that received $737 million in loans from the U.S. Department of Energy filed for bankruptcy on Thursday, according to a court filing, potentially leaving U.S. taxpayers with a whopping bill.

The project's failure is a blow to the DOE renewable energy loan program, which had already been criticized by Republicans as a waste of money after it backed failed solar panel maker Solyndra during the Obama administration.

Tonopah Solar Energy LLC still owes $425 million on its DOE loan, but reached a settlement under which the department will recover at least $200 million, it said in court documents filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-07-30/us-solar-power-plant-backed-by-over-700-mln-in-govt-loans-goes-bust-filing (https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-07-30/us-solar-power-plant-backed-by-over-700-mln-in-govt-loans-goes-bust-filing)
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