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Title: Padova at OH
Post by: thecolt on January 26, 2017, 10:55:02 AM
New posting at villagesofirvine.com. New neighborhood, "Padova" by Shea Homes.
https://www.villagesofirvine.com/villages-neighborhoods/orchard-hills/padova/

Same boring floorplans seen elsewhere...

Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: dethman on January 26, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
Same boring floorplans seen elsewhere...

yup.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 26, 2017, 01:23:48 PM
Plan 1 seems to be the best floorplan, why would anyone even get 2 or 3? Plan 4's only benefit is the den on the first floor.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: dethman on January 26, 2017, 02:45:22 PM
Plan 1 seems to be the best floorplan, why would anyone even get 2 or 3? Plan 4's only benefit is the den on the first floor.

i agree they're all about the same, but plan 1 has that pantry that weirdly encroaches into the kitchen and dining on the first floor.  kitchen island becomes very small and dining room shrinks.  not ideal.
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Post by: YellowFever on January 26, 2017, 03:37:27 PM
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Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: firsttimehomebuyer on January 26, 2017, 04:07:52 PM
Plan 1 seems to be the best floorplan, why would anyone even get 2 or 3? Plan 4's only benefit is the den on the first floor.

for info purpose only, what is wrong with plan 2 or 3

thank you!
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Goriot on January 26, 2017, 04:19:36 PM
Anyone have a price guess?

P1: $1,100,000
P2: $1,130,000
P3: $1,200,000
P4: $1,275,000
P4X: $1,300,000


Considering Varenna starts near $1.15 million for approx. 2,500 sqft.  Below is my guess:

P1: $1,285,000
P2: $1,325,000
P3: $1,350,000
P4: $1,445,000
P4X: $1,478,000

Above is lower range of the estimate.  I will be surprised if they get that much of a discount to Calistoga at EW.  Could be slightly lower to Calistoga for a Phase 1-2 release.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Bullsback on January 26, 2017, 05:43:41 PM
Anyone have a price guess?

P1: $1,100,000
P2: $1,130,000
P3: $1,200,000
P4: $1,275,000
P4X: $1,300,000



Considering Varenna starts near $1.15 million for approx. 2,500 sqft.  Below is my guess:

P1: $1,285,000
P2: $1,325,000
P3: $1,350,000
P4: $1,445,000
P4X: $1,478,000

Above is lower range of the estimate.  I will be surprised if they get that much of a discount to Calistoga at EW.  Could be slightly lower to Calistoga for a Phase 1-2 release.
I bet they will start higher then you propose. I don't think they should, but they will.  I didn't think Calistoga was selling that great and hasn't Varenna largely been a disaster? 
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: BunkMoreland on January 27, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
I'm guessing P4/X is $1.525-1.545M

I think the plans look good.

What is the demographic makeup of the OH neighborhoods? Same as the other new Irvine neighborhoods?
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Funkie on January 27, 2017, 11:13:08 PM
I still question the appreciation potential in OH on the TUSD side....

Speaking from experience, purchased a home in NP in 2009, and sold it recently.  Had I purchased in TR, I would have made 35% instead of the 15%....

I kick myself everyday for wanting "new" instead buying "old" in TR.  Lesson learned!

Maybe someone can comment about the appreciation within IUSD neighborhoods in the past few years.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: BruinDoc on January 27, 2017, 11:24:34 PM
I still question the appreciation potential in OH on the TUSD side....

Speaking from experience, purchased a home in NP in 2009, and sold it recently.  Had I purchased in TR, I would have made 35% instead of the 15%....

I kick myself everyday for wanting "new" instead buying "old" in TR.  Lesson learned!

Maybe someone can comment about the appreciation within IUSD neighborhoods in the past few years.
I think appreciation will be good: the TUSD side includes the guard-gated Groves section of OH. Amelia/Trevi and Toll Brothers are building homes with base prices as high as $3M (starting lower I know but goes up from there with lot size, view, etc.). New Home Company has been doing well (slowed a bit but still selling) and there is quite a bit of buzz for the Toll Brothers neighborhood. People tend to be more concerned with the quality of the schools as opposed to the districts they are in.  The Orchard Hills School and Beckman High School are both very highly rated (10/10 I believe). Also, at the end of the day, it is in Irvine after all.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: joy4ever on March 26, 2017, 12:50:53 PM
Padova virtual tour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt20pxvOXjY&list=PL5L9608_Rc97HKE4iZhj5YqHQJHlzD9aV&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XVvfasq_f0&list=PL5L9608_Rc97HKE4iZhj5YqHQJHlzD9aV&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRWV8r5-M0w&list=PL5L9608_Rc97HKE4iZhj5YqHQJHlzD9aV&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PKebgbQZhA&list=PL5L9608_Rc97HKE4iZhj5YqHQJHlzD9aV&index=4
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: OCSolCal on March 26, 2017, 04:46:10 PM
I still think TUSD will affect the resale value of homes in OH. People including myself have the perception that IUSD is better than TUSD n in my opinion it is. If u ask neighbors in OH inside the groves, prices of homes from builder n resale didn't appreciate much since opening ( Messina, Amelia, KB, etc) except for La vita. TB Alta vista is very slow to sell n quite a few homes still available. Varenna is way overprice n did u see their lot size. U can literally see their backyard wall from the front door!
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: aquabliss on March 26, 2017, 07:01:35 PM
Wow those 3D renderings are super legit, can't even tell if it's real or rendered in most cases.  That's some top dollar 3D artistry right there.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: lovingit on April 11, 2017, 06:42:15 PM
Dropped by the sales office and chatted with the associate.  These are the sites below Varenna.  I thought they were the ones above. Arena but they are not.  She didn't drop hints at how much but said phase one folks have been prequalified for move in late this year. No model homes yet.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Irvine Dream on April 11, 2017, 08:01:11 PM
  These are the sites below Varenna.  I thought they were the ones above.
The ones above are going to be KB
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: lovingit on April 11, 2017, 08:29:26 PM
  These are the sites below Varenna.  I thought they were the ones above.
The ones above are going to be KB

Do you know how large?  Did you find out from KB?
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: joy4ever on April 15, 2017, 09:52:02 PM
Anyone have a price guess?

P1: $1,100,000
P2: $1,130,000
P3: $1,200,000
P4: $1,275,000
P4X: $1,300,000



Considering Varenna starts near $1.15 million for approx. 2,500 sqft.  Below is my guess:

P1: $1,285,000
P2: $1,325,000
P3: $1,350,000
P4: $1,445,000
P4X: $1,478,000

Above is lower range of the estimate.  I will be surprised if they get that much of a discount to Calistoga at EW.  Could be slightly lower to Calistoga for a Phase 1-2 release.
I bet they will start higher then you propose. I don't think they should, but they will.  I didn't think Calistoga was selling that great and hasn't Varenna largely been a disaster?

From their preliminary price sheet:
Plan 1:  From the high $1.2M
Plan 2:  From the high $1.2M
Plan 3:  From the high $1.2M
Plan 4:  From the mid $1.3M
Plan 4X: From the mid $1.3M
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: OCSolCal on April 20, 2017, 01:57:23 PM
Stopped the Padova sales office to pick up the brochure.  Plans look nice and price is within our budget but still have concerns.  How do you feel about 133 toll road backing up to the Pardova homes?  Would that be a major deterrent for most buyers now and later for resale value?
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Irvine Dream on April 20, 2017, 02:04:28 PM
Stopped the Padova sales office to pick up the brochure.  Plans look nice and price is within our budget but still have concerns.  How do you feel about 133 toll road backing up to the Pardova homes?  Would that be a major deterrent for most buyers now and later for resale value?
How do you feel about 133 261 toll road backing
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: irvresident on May 15, 2017, 11:16:28 AM
It seems like there's not much interest in Padova.  I understand it's backing the toll road, so people may be concerned with the noise/dust/pollution.  Just curious if there's any other reason for the lack of interest?  The price seems to be very reasonable.  Their largest 4X plan (3474 sqft) is priced at $1,370,000 without lot premium ($1,430,000 and $1,410,000 with lot premiums for the 3 released 4X lots), which is less than $400/sqft.  Is Padova such a bad product?  I'm asking because we are thinking about making a purchase, but wondering if we missed any key negative factor(s) that we should be considering.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: gld2 on May 15, 2017, 11:27:32 AM
I stopped by this weekend.  I was interested in the house, after seeing the site,  I changed my mind.  The location is very close to the toll road. 
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: AA on May 15, 2017, 01:34:52 PM
It seems like there's not much interest in Padova.  I understand it's backing the toll road, so people may be concerned with the noise/dust/pollution.  Just curious if there's any other reason for the lack of interest?  The price seems to be very reasonable.  Their largest 4X plan (3474 sqft) is priced at $1,370,000 without lot premium ($1,430,000 and $1,410,000 with lot premiums for the 3 released 4X lots), which is less than $400/sqft.  Is Padova such a bad product?  I'm asking because we are thinking about making a purchase, but wondering if we missed any key negative factor(s) that we should be considering.

Probably due to lack of actual model homes to tour.  not many people would want to pluck down that kind of $$ without having to walk the actual models. 
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: search1 on May 15, 2017, 02:53:08 PM
It seems like there's not much interest in Padova.  I understand it's backing the toll road, so people may be concerned with the noise/dust/pollution.  Just curious if there's any other reason for the lack of interest?  The price seems to be very reasonable.  Their largest 4X plan (3474 sqft) is priced at $1,370,000 without lot premium ($1,430,000 and $1,410,000 with lot premiums for the 3 released 4X lots), which is less than $400/sqft.  Is Padova such a bad product?  I'm asking because we are thinking about making a purchase, but wondering if we missed any key negative factor(s) that we should be considering.

We are also on the list for Padova but are waiting for a later phase release. Our biggest concern was noise from the toll road, so we are not considering the first row of homes on Royal Pine that back directly to the toll road. These homes are about the same distance to the toll road as the outermost homes at Vicenza and Varenna, and when we drove through these communities it was clear that they were absorbing most of the noise from passing cars. We like the price point and cul de sacs and the lots are large for Irvine new construction.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: lovingit on August 17, 2017, 10:47:41 PM
When is the debut?
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: WTTCHMN on August 19, 2017, 06:59:49 AM
When is the debut?

August 26
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: DrTravel on August 26, 2017, 04:21:58 PM
Stopped by after the grand opening free stuff event. More relaxed - noticed about 75% of those visiting were Caucasians with the balance Asian - the opposite of what I normally find.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: WTTCHMN on August 26, 2017, 05:39:34 PM
Stopped by after the grand opening free stuff event. More relaxed - noticed about 75% of those visiting were Caucasians with the balance Asian - the opposite of what I normally find.

Maybe it was because of the giant American flag in front of the sales office.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: lovingit on August 30, 2017, 05:10:42 PM
Plan 4 was nice.  Shea Homes' floorplans are a lot more functional than TayMo's floorplans.  They aren't sure if they will get the land above the cul-de-sacs (Derby and Rockinghorse street) so right now, it is only 36 homes in 8 phases.  I actually think the map is wrong.  Isn't Hideaway park the one next to the Varenna model homes, not above lot 121 and 122?
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: irvineboy on August 30, 2017, 05:58:38 PM
On the information sheet, it says that the base property tax is less than 1%.  I thought Irvine property tax were always 1% then plus your melloroos?
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: lnc on August 30, 2017, 06:13:26 PM
Plan 4 was nice.  Shea Homes' floorplans are a lot more functional than TayMo's floorplans.  They aren't sure if they will get the land above the cul-de-sacs (Derby and Rockinghorse street) so right now, it is only 36 homes in 8 phases.  I actually think the map is wrong.  Isn't Hideaway park the one next to the Varenna model homes, not above lot 121 and 122?

You are right about the map is not correct.  That's not the park, its a water retention basin.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: irvineboy on September 03, 2017, 12:24:51 PM
These homes were nice. 4 bed plus a useable office downstairs in model 4 plus a useable sized loft that can be converted to a fifth bedroom.  Priced under $1.5m is not bad.  But a little close to the toll, even in the lasted phases on the plot of land after phase 8. Not sure if that's good resale value.  But I will say, better floor plan than both Capella, Strada and Varenna by far.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Jcl725 on October 11, 2017, 10:59:03 AM
My friend is seriously considering Padova and wants me to take a look as well.  We're looking for guard-gated community so we're comparing the Groves with Altair, Northwood Point, OH, Northpark, etc.  We're excluding communities like Turtle Ridge, Hidden Canyon, Laguna Altara, etc. for price/location.  Plan is to live here for ~5 years...could be longer of shorter of course.

For similarly sized homes (2800-3500 sq ft), Padova is ~$430, Altair (Celestial, Starlight, Eclipse) is asking ~$470 per sqft, and Northwood Point has been selling for ~$485 per sqft on average.  All three would need about $100k IMO after purchase (upgrades and landscape for new homes, and renovations for old homes) so that's a wash. 

My main concerns with Padova are the same as the ones that have been pointed out - TUSD and close to toll-road.  How much of a "discount" relative to the nearby guard-gated IUSD communities do you think would justify a purchase at Padova?   In other words, would Padova be worth the 10-15% discount?  There are obviously pros/cons of each community - e.g. high MR of Altair, older floor plans of NW Point, OH fire hazard :0 - but if all of these are a wash, how much of a factor on price should school district, and promixity to toll-road make?

Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Irvine Dream on October 11, 2017, 11:44:54 AM
0 - but if all of these are a wash, how much of a factor on price should school district, and promixity to toll-road make?

Based on my observations and precise calculations as a person looking to buy a house in Irvine for multiple years, the TUSD will need a 8.25% reduction and the toll road needs 14.125% reduction.

Kidding aside, the point is no one can predict current or future markets accurately.  If you have the money, the safe bet is IUSD and away from the Toll Road.  If budget is tight, choose the house that you are happy to live in and let the rest fall in place.


Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: misme on October 11, 2017, 12:09:23 PM
are  you looking for true guard gated or just gated? Northwood pointe has unmanned automatic gates. They don't do jack when it comes to stopping crime. Very few true guard manned gated communities in Irvine. Northpark. Groves at OH , Reserves at OH. Is Altair going to be manned by guards as well. or just automatic gates? I think Lambert Ranch has guards, not sure. Turtle Ridge, Shady, etc, but as you've said, those are off the list due to price.

This has been talked about ad nauseum, but TUSD schools serving portions of Irvine are similarly good to IUSD. And more diverse, less cut throat. Seems to be a plus in my mind, not a detriment.  Of course, I know lots of people who send their kids private to avoid the IUSD over-competitiveness, but still live in Irvine...interestingly, many of these are americanized asians looking to avoid the excessive homogeneity of the Irvine public schools...go figure.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Jcl725 on October 11, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
0 - but if all of these are a wash, how much of a factor on price should school district, and promixity to toll-road make?

Based on my observations and precise calculations as a person looking to buy a house in Irvine for multiple years, the TUSD will need a 8.25% reduction and the toll road needs 14.125% reduction.

Kidding aside, the point is no one can predict current or future markets accurately.  If you have the money, the safe bet is IUSD and away from the Toll Road.  If budget is tight, choose the house that you are happy to live in and let the rest fall in place.

Haha, this made me chuckle a little bit. ;D  A friend does advanced analytics for a living.  Maybe I'll have him run some numbers.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Jcl725 on October 11, 2017, 12:46:41 PM
are  you looking for true guard gated or just gated? Northwood pointe has unmanned automatic gates. They don't do jack when it comes to stopping crime. Very few true guard manned gated communities in Irvine. Northpark. Groves at OH , Reserves at OH. Is Altair going to be manned by guards as well. or just automatic gates? I think Lambert Ranch has guards, not sure. Turtle Ridge, Shady, etc, but as you've said, those are off the list due to price.

This has been talked about ad nauseum, but TUSD schools serving portions of Irvine are similarly good to IUSD. And more diverse, less cut throat. Seems to be a plus in my mind, not a detriment.  Of course, I know lots of people who send their kids private to avoid the IUSD over-competitiveness, but still live in Irvine...interestingly, many of these are americanized asians looking to avoid the excessive homogeneity of the Irvine public schools...go figure.

Looking for guard gated.  The Trailwood community in NW Point is guard gated.  Was there last weekend and they were pretty strict (took down last digits of my VIN since I didn't have plates), unlike some of communities in Tustin I've been to recently.

Fair point on TUSD.  We are actually okay with either school district.  We have two young ones, and one is ahead of the curve (may benefit from TUSD early gate/magnet programs assuming he gets in ??), and one is probably going to be your average student (benefit from IUSD slightly higher rated schools ??).  Either way, I think both will be fine in either district so looking at it more from a value perspective.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Maserson on October 11, 2017, 12:57:07 PM
Are there any neighborhoods fully guard gated?  Some have two gates, one manned and the other with an automated gate.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: WTTCHMN on October 11, 2017, 01:14:40 PM
Are there any neighborhoods fully guard gated?  Some have two gates, one manned and the other with an automated gate.

Shady, HC and both Groves (the trailer park and the one in OH).

But even the gated communities in Irvine must still allow unfettered access to pedestrians/bicyclists.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Jcl725 on October 11, 2017, 01:43:32 PM
I believe Turtle Ridge, Trailwood, Northpark, and Laguna Altara are also guard gated at all entrances.  Whereas Altair, Lambert Ranch, and Turtle Rock Summit have a mix of guard gated and non-guard gated entrances.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Burn That Belly on October 11, 2017, 01:51:33 PM
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Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: aquabliss on October 11, 2017, 02:41:36 PM
I really like the Padova Plan 4, great layout and well priced I think.  Once OH Groves is sold out I don't think  there will be much price discrepancy per sq ft between Padova and other nearby communities in the groves.  People start to forget what builder made what and the names, etc.  Will just come down to a XYZ sq ft home in OH Groves up against  another  one of the same size. 
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: eyephone on October 11, 2017, 02:55:15 PM
Gated communities do not reduce crime significantly over non-gated communities. There is no data to back this. (http://www.globalsecurityexperts.com/home-security/both-sides-of-the-fence-the-pros-and-cons-of-gated-communities-and-property-fencing.html)

Have you guys not visited NextDoor? Bunch of middle eastern kids who live in NP/NW were burglars that got caught. How about that Korean dude in portola spring who tried to rape that woman at Mon Beau Bebe? Or that drug dealer dude living in Irvine apartments selling narcotics and had weapons. Don't assume your neighbor or their kids are "servants" of the Lord. He could be Satan's creatures living amongst you.


Logically, if you want to feel "safe", hire your own private security. That's how the rich people do it. Otherwise, gated communities is like buying the "paint protection" package at the finance office of a car dealership.

Nevertheless, I will argue that it is still a selling point for future prospective FCB buyers.  ;D  Hence, OH3!  FCB folks are afraid of crime, they don't know how to fight back...so gates gives them a false sense of security. Where they come from, guns are not allowed for personal ownership. Where we come from, guns are rampant.

(http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201208/n_28765_1.jpg)

Like I previously said, the gate makes it potentially more of a target. (That person must be important/mega rich to live behind a gate. I just made that up, but I can see someone from the hood thinking that.)
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: WTTCHMN on October 11, 2017, 05:27:08 PM
I believe Turtle Ridge, Trailwood, Northpark, and Laguna Altara are also guard gated at all entrances.  Whereas Altair, Lambert Ranch, and Turtle Rock Summit have a mix of guard gated and non-guard gated entrances.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Laguna Woktura has an unmanned gate off of Lake Forest Dr.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: dethman on October 11, 2017, 06:13:43 PM
if you're considering a gate, consider that it is unlikely that the groves will have a guard at the gate within the next five years.  the vistas, varenna, padova will still have several years of buildout which means people will be driving in there to look at models for YEARS.  there are still open areas of land next to the toll roads and an open area of land northeast of trevi/old amelia where building has not even begun.  the gate is closed at night, but i doubt there will be a guard for a while.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Trojanman on October 11, 2017, 06:55:52 PM
FYI.  Altair will be guard gated as well
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: WTTCHMN on October 11, 2017, 10:43:26 PM
FYI.  Altair will be guard gated as well

The OP is looking for only fully-manned gates.  Altair will have a secondary unmanned gate.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Jcl725 on October 12, 2017, 10:09:07 AM
Gated communities do not reduce crime significantly over non-gated communities. There is no data to back this. (http://www.globalsecurityexperts.com/home-security/both-sides-of-the-fence-the-pros-and-cons-of-gated-communities-and-property-fencing.html)

Have you guys not visited NextDoor? Bunch of middle eastern kids who live in NP/NW were burglars that got caught. How about that Korean dude in portola spring who tried to rape that woman at Mon Beau Bebe? Or that drug dealer dude living in Irvine apartments selling narcotics and had weapons. Don't assume your neighbor or their kids are "servants" of the Lord. He could be Satan's creatures living amongst you.


Logically, if you want to feel "safe", hire your own private security. That's how the rich people do it. Otherwise, gated communities is like buying the "paint protection" package at the finance office of a car dealership.

Nevertheless, I will argue that it is still a selling point for future prospective FCB buyers.  ;D  Hence, OH3!  FCB folks are afraid of crime, they don't know how to fight back...so gates gives them a false sense of security. Where they come from, guns are not allowed for personal ownership. Where we come from, guns are rampant.

(http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201208/n_28765_1.jpg)

An article about needed additional security posted on a security company's website.   Biased?  Maybe, maybe not.

But I definitely agree there are people who fall into a false sense security.  I'll still have my cameras, motion sensor lights, alarm and alarm signs, and some other stuff :)
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: irvine buyer on October 12, 2017, 10:12:02 AM
if you're considering a gate, consider that it is unlikely that the groves will have a guard at the gate within the next five years.  the vistas, varenna, padova will still have several years of buildout which means people will be driving in there to look at models for YEARS.  there are still open areas of land next to the toll roads and an open area of land northeast of trevi/old amelia where building has not even begun.  the gate is closed at night, but i doubt there will be a guard for a while.

We looked at Capella back in 2014 when the Groves first opened and so glad we did not buy in Orchard Hills.  Friends that live in Amelia are sick of the construction noise/activity and the fact that there is still no guard at the gate at this point would have me looking into my purchase documents to see if there was any misrepresentation.  I'm told that there is a lot of non-resident traffic going into built-out neighborhoods...lookey loos or maybe worse.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Jcl725 on October 12, 2017, 10:17:39 AM

Like I previously said, the gate makes it potentially more of a target. (That person must be important/mega rich to live behind a gate. I just made that up, but I can see someone from the hood thinking that.)

I think this might be true for the professional burglars.  But for these guys, if they want to get into your home, nothing is going to stop them short of you sitting there with a shotgun.  I have friends' businesses who have been hit and these guys are VERY sophisticated. 

But I do think gates play a role in deterring the standard burglar.  These guys want to get in and out as easily as possible.  And a guard gate is one additional barrier to ease of entry/exit.

As for the punks robbing their own community mentioned above, you can't protect against everything.  Like most things in life, I think the 80/20 rule applies here.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Jcl725 on October 12, 2017, 10:22:13 AM
if you're considering a gate, consider that it is unlikely that the groves will have a guard at the gate within the next five years.  the vistas, varenna, padova will still have several years of buildout which means people will be driving in there to look at models for YEARS.  there are still open areas of land next to the toll roads and an open area of land northeast of trevi/old amelia where building has not even begun.  the gate is closed at night, but i doubt there will be a guard for a while.

We looked at Capella back in 2014 when the Groves first opened and so glad we did not buy in Orchard Hills.  Friends that live in Amelia are sick of the construction noise/activity and the fact that there is still no guard at the gate at this point would have me looking into my purchase documents to see if there was any misrepresentation.  I'm told that there is a lot of non-resident traffic going into built-out neighborhoods...lookey loos or maybe worse.

Very good points.  I've done my fair share of driving through OH to look around.  Same thing will hold true for OH3 as the land above the Reserve probably won't be built out for 4+ years.  That would suck if I live in OH for 5 years and have no guard the entire time.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Goriot on October 12, 2017, 11:08:45 AM
Gates - Based on actual crime data (i need to dig it up), the overall crime rate is lower in the guard gated communities compared to nearby non-gated neighborhoods.  "However", domestic violence is a little higher then normal.  Most likely, rich people fighting over $$$ or cheating on each other=).


Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Burn That Belly on October 12, 2017, 04:13:51 PM
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Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Jcl725 on October 12, 2017, 04:44:50 PM
You might be on to something.  Screw the gated community.  Use a fraction of the money on a crazy Chinese nanny/housekeeper/security guard.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: eyephone on October 12, 2017, 04:50:45 PM
Houses are so close in Cali vs Georgia. If you do that like in the video, you might shoot your neighbor and have a wrongful death lawsuit against you. Lol



Gates are better than nothing, but not a showstopper for the determined criminals.

You want a showstopper, get some guns. No amateur/professional crook (unless he's a hired hitman) is going to stick around and duke it out with you in a gun battle on your own turf. I will stand by that! Amurica!

Look at the video in Georgia where the Chinese woman woke up and fired back against 3 armed burglars in the middle of the night. Those fools were running out the house so fast and she dropped one on her own driveway. Crooks afraid of an armed Chinese woman?!? Come on. It's called "I ain't getting paid for this!"

edit: I want woman like her living in Irvine......

And what are they trying to steal? toilet paper ? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A804A3WAbB0
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Burn That Belly on October 12, 2017, 04:54:02 PM
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Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Bullsback on October 13, 2017, 08:42:53 AM
Are there any neighborhoods fully guard gated?  Some have two gates, one manned and the other with an automated gate.

Shady, HC and both Groves (the trailer park and the one in OH).

But even the gated communities in Irvine must still allow unfettered access to pedestrians/bicyclists.
Not true.  That or I know of a couple communities which violate this. 
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Jcl725 on October 13, 2017, 09:37:10 AM
Houses are so close in Cali vs Georgia. If you do that like in the video, you might shoot your neighbor and have a wrongful death lawsuit. Lol

Not if you use frangibles or hollow points. They typically do not penetrate further and the frangibles disperse into fragments within the organs. Cops use HPs.

Or better yet, just a 12-gauge shotty will be fine too.

I carry hollow points myself.

Assuming you're on target.  Even if you're a good shot, there's a good chance a round or two will miss a moving target if it's the middle of the night, and you're firing rounds seconds after you were awakened from deep sleep.

 
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: eyephone on October 13, 2017, 10:33:25 AM
We should just start a home security thread.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: lnc on October 13, 2017, 11:12:44 AM
Are there any neighborhoods fully guard gated?  Some have two gates, one manned and the other with an automated gate.

Shady, HC and both Groves (the trailer park and the one in OH).

But even the gated communities in Irvine must still allow unfettered access to pedestrians/bicyclists.
Not true.  That or I know of a couple communities which violate this. 

As far as I know, City of Irvine requires gated communities with parks inside (even though those park are private, HOA maintained) are required to allow unrestricted pedestrians access to these parks.  Thus it allows unrestricted pedestrians passes through the gate. 

Unless the community does not have any park or it's an older community that precede the law. 
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Happiness on October 13, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
If you are involved in a road rage incident, the gate guard can stop the other driver from following you home.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: eyephone on October 13, 2017, 11:31:58 AM
Start laughing

You don't know about the TI member high speed incident at the guarded gate?
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: iacrenter on October 13, 2017, 12:40:51 PM
Paris did some post deletions but you will get the idea. I can't believe its been 3 years since that incident. Time flies on TI.

http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,12262.0.html
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: eyephone on October 13, 2017, 03:40:17 PM
Paris did some post deletions but you will get the idea. I can't believe its been 3 years since that incident. Time flies on TI.

http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,12262.0.html

Didn't the other driver drive through the gate? Lol
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Paris on October 28, 2017, 06:53:09 AM
Paris did some post deletions but you will get the idea. I can't believe its been 3 years since that incident. Time flies on TI.

http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,12262.0.html

Didn't the other driver drive through the gate? Lol

Omg it’s been 3 years and we’re still bringing this up?  ;D
But yes I am thankful for the NP guard gate that day. Because that crazy idiot followed right behind me into the guard gated community, I think the gate arm hit his suv while he was following right behind but he didn’t care. So I just turned around and pulled right back through the gate exit and alarmed the guard there. Within a few minutes I had 3 male security guards next to my vehicle trying to calm that deranged large male driver. Mind you it was only me with my 2 young children under the age of 4 sitting in the car. If there was no guard gate and some crazy person was trying to follow me home where would I have gone? I’d have to find the nearest police station in that situation.
With the security surrounding my car it deterred that guy to drive off. And they had video surveillance of the entire incident at the gate.
So I’m still a strong believer in guard gates where a physical guard is sitting there 24 hours of the day.
That’s my story rehashed and resurrected from 3 years ago lol.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Legit949 on January 13, 2018, 05:00:15 PM
Was at the phase release today and the sales office was completely filled with buyers. Needless to say, all the homes released were sold within 5 minutes. I attended the phase release to get a feel for the affects of the new tax laws. Didn't seem to affect today's release whatsoever. I'm somewhat shocked. The homes released were priced between 1.35mil - 1.5mil.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: i1 on January 13, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
Strong demand but not too surprising. I think the homes were priced fairly compared to what you can get in this range.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Ready2Downsize on January 13, 2018, 05:48:53 PM
Was at the phase release today and the sales office was completely filled with buyers. Needless to say, all the homes released were sold within 5 minutes. I attended the phase release to get a feel for the affects of the new tax laws. Didn't seem to affect today's release whatsoever. I'm somewhat shocked. The homes released were priced between 1.35mil - 1.5mil.

My daughter bought her first home in May 2013. She has a few months to hit the 5 year mark. They would like a newer home in the same price range as these. They know they won't have more than the $750K in mortgage deduction and will lose some of their property tax deduction. They don't care one bit. A bigger issue for them is rising rates and what they will be in May.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: aquabliss on January 13, 2018, 09:06:57 PM
Was at the phase release today and the sales office was completely filled with buyers. Needless to say, all the homes released were sold within 5 minutes. I attended the phase release to get a feel for the affects of the new tax laws. Didn't seem to affect today's release whatsoever. I'm somewhat shocked. The homes released were priced between 1.35mil - 1.5mil.

My daughter bought her first home in May 2013. She has a few months to hit the 5 year mark. They would like a newer home in the same price range as these. They know they won't have more than the $750K in mortgage deduction and will lose some of their property tax deduction. They don't care one bit. A bigger issue for them is rising rates and what they will be in May.

They settled on 2 years in your primary residence I believe.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: Ready2Downsize on January 14, 2018, 12:46:16 AM
OH! They kept it at 2 years? Least that's something. LOL!
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: shadyoc on February 24, 2019, 08:03:23 PM
How are the latest pricing?  Are they almost done building?
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: joke4real on February 25, 2019, 09:21:09 AM
How are the latest pricing?  Are they almost done building?

Went to Padova on Saturday. There are some 'Move in Ready' houses get my attention.  Tried to talk if they have some 'flexibility' on price, but they  said "not for now." Quite different mood, compared to Varenna. Representative in Varenna seemed ready to give 100K, closing fee, upgraded appliances for those houses already built.

I just started following the Padova recently, so I don't know the history of the pricing, but what I can see now is that they try to maintain their strong position. So, I decided to sit back and wait a bit more.

#83, 68 Derby is plan 1XA, 3037sqft and price was $1,512,477. I think this is the best house among their inventory. 
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on February 26, 2019, 01:35:53 AM
How are the latest pricing?  Are they almost done building?

Went to Padova on Saturday. There are some 'Move in Ready' houses get my attention.  Tried to talk if they have some 'flexibility' on price, but they  said "not for now." Quite different mood, compared to Varenna. Representative in Varenna seemed ready to give 100K, closing fee, upgraded appliances for those houses already built.

I just started following the Padova recently, so I don't know the history of the pricing, but what I can see now is that they try to maintain their strong position. So, I decided to sit back and wait a bit more.

#83, 68 Derby is plan 1XA, 3037sqft and price was $1,512,477. I think this is the best house among their inventory. 

Give them some time, they recently bumped up their broker co-op commission.
Title: Re: Padova at OH
Post by: joke4real on March 05, 2019, 01:39:57 PM
How are the latest pricing?  Are they almost done building?

Went to Padova on Saturday. There are some 'Move in Ready' houses get my attention.  Tried to talk if they have some 'flexibility' on price, but they  said "not for now." Quite different mood, compared to Varenna. Representative in Varenna seemed ready to give 100K, closing fee, upgraded appliances for those houses already built.

I just started following the Padova recently, so I don't know the history of the pricing, but what I can see now is that they try to maintain their strong position. So, I decided to sit back and wait a bit more.

#83, 68 Derby is plan 1XA, 3037sqft and price was $1,512,477. I think this is the best house among their inventory. 

Give them some time, they recently bumped up their broker co-op commission.

Funny story..During past 10 days, they (are saying) put 50K upgrade to one premium lot and they raised the price 50K.