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Title: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: thelandofnoland on March 10, 2015, 04:41:32 PM
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Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: qwerty on March 10, 2015, 05:14:12 PM
Low 1 millions for 3700 sq ft in the heart of oc. Gonna sell like hot cakes.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2015, 05:25:41 PM
#driveway
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: qwerty on March 10, 2015, 05:30:12 PM
Do you guys think value oriented fcbs would pick this location or baker ranch in lake forest?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: eyephone on March 10, 2015, 05:38:47 PM
Do you guys think value oriented fcbs would pick this location or baker ranch in lake forest?

I wouldn't call the baker ranch crowd value oriented fcbs. If they were true fcbs they know Irvine is a better ROI historically.

Maybe the better term is first time home buyer/value buyer.
Title: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: thelandofnoland on March 10, 2015, 05:47:07 PM
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Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: gasman on March 10, 2015, 06:41:12 PM
I spy:

- a downstairs master (dual?) in the plan 1.
- a separate dining room in the plan 2.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: gasman on March 10, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
Stafford is what's going to define Greenwood.  The rest of the properties will just ride its coattails.  I doubt that "low $1Ms" number will hold up for very long.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: lovingit on March 12, 2015, 12:34:26 AM
A railroad runs north of it, and Jamboree backs next to it.  Can't be good......

But conveniently close to the District.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: gasman on March 12, 2015, 01:37:09 AM
A railroad runs north of it, and Jamboree backs next to it.  Can't be good......

The railroad isn't anywhere as close to Greenwood as it is to Columbus Square.  I would consider its proximity to Jamboree to be a much bigger issue, as that was the dealbreaker for us when looking into this area.  I have lived near Edinger for the past X years, and am so over the road noise.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 12, 2015, 09:25:48 AM
I'm with gasman, proximity to Jamboree is probably the biggest concern... not sure if they are going to extend the Great Wall of Tustin to help mitigate the noise.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: gasman on March 12, 2015, 09:35:56 AM
I'm with gasman, proximity to Jamboree is probably the biggest concern... not sure if they are going to extend the Great Wall of Tustin to help mitigate the noise.

Just drove by yesterday, and it appears that wall construction along Jamboree is complete...not sure if they're phasing it out, but the tall portion of the wall is done.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: ps9 on March 12, 2015, 09:43:58 AM
I think they're still extending the Great Wall northerly.. the split second lane closure/merge is still present for the slow lane, careful
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 12, 2015, 09:52:10 AM
I'm with gasman, proximity to Jamboree is probably the biggest concern... not sure if they are going to extend the Great Wall of Tustin to help mitigate the noise.

Just drove by yesterday, and it appears that wall construction along Jamboree is complete...not sure if they're phasing it out, but the tall portion of the wall is done.
If this is true, that's not good for Greenwood.

From Jamboree heading south, I have an open view of the clubhouse and the surrounding homes-to-be... and that means they can hear the roar from the modded exhaust I have on my racing minivan.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: bones on March 12, 2015, 09:57:03 AM
I think they're still extending the Great Wall northerly.. the split second lane closure/merge is still present for the slow lane, careful

Just experienced this the other day for the first time. Split second is right. Almost got into an accident :(

Title: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: thelandofnoland on April 15, 2015, 06:49:16 PM
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Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: qwerty on April 15, 2015, 07:29:01 PM
I drove by today. All models have the stucco on now and most have the roof tiles on as well. The Huntley models seem to be a little ahead of the Stan pac as they had finished the stucco and tiles first. Seems like they will have plenty of time to finish by 5/30. I'm tempted to buy a Sheldon. One thing I like about greenwood over columbus square is their entrance has a median with two lanes to get in and two lanes to get out. So the entrance seems a little more TIC like and gives it a higher end feel, although I think they lose the medians throughout the rest of the community.
Title: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: thelandofnoland on April 25, 2015, 09:54:15 AM
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Title: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: thelandofnoland on April 25, 2015, 09:54:35 AM
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Title: Stafford at Greenwood
Post by: thelandofnoland on April 25, 2015, 09:54:51 AM
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Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on April 25, 2015, 10:10:40 AM
Plan 2 and 3 are nice. These could get me to sell and move here. We like our floor plan but the only thing missing is a separate office/den downstairs.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: ps9 on April 25, 2015, 10:42:21 AM
I wonder if these will be similar to Torrey at BP
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 25, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
I like Plan 2.

The upstairs outdoor deck is a nice touch.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: ps9 on April 26, 2015, 10:21:30 AM
I like Plan 2.

The upstairs outdoor deck is a nice touch.

Perfect for ugly hangar view, low income apt view, or for unwinding jamboree traffic white noise
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on April 26, 2015, 10:30:42 AM
Nice firehose PS9. Comedy GOLD!

I like the hangar myself. Reminds me of days gone by in OC. As for Jamboree white noise, I'd recommend downloading a dB meter application and scan some of Irvine's new home developments for white noise. It's pretty intense in some places what with the 133/241/5, or 405/5 combined freeways generating so much traffic sound relative to where I live in RSM. My guess is that CV has got 2x the noise that Greenwood might experience.

Anyone who purchased recently take a dB sample prior to buying? Curious if anyone ever does this.

My .02c
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 26, 2015, 11:11:03 AM
Anyone who purchased recently take a dB sample prior to buying? Curious if anyone ever does this.
We do the different times of day test.

Weekends will usually be more quiet than weekday morning and afternoons. I have also done a middle of the night test.

#LivedByAFreewayAndWillNeverAgain
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on April 28, 2015, 09:31:46 AM
I wonder if these will be similar to Torrey at BP

I might be the only one who likes the plan one. Has everything I was looking for except the small back kitchen and the location is not the best but for me floorplans are the number one consideration.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvine Dream on April 28, 2015, 10:49:19 AM
I wonder if these will be similar to Torrey at BP

I might be the only one who likes the plan one. Has everything I was looking for except the small back kitchen and the location is not the best but for me floorplans are the number one consideration.
Yep, small back kitchen would be great if you don't want to clean the humongous islands and kitchen counter tops on a regular basis.  How come you are not considering Saviero Plan 1 or the new single stories coming at BP, especially the KHOV Rosemont on large lots
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Harajuku on April 28, 2015, 11:04:05 AM
I might be the only one who likes the plan one. Has everything I was looking for except the small back kitchen and the location is not the best but for me floorplans are the number one consideration.

I like plan 1 & 2. 
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on April 28, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
I wonder if these will be similar to Torrey at BP

I might be the only one who likes the plan one. Has everything I was looking for except the small back kitchen and the location is not the best but for me floorplans are the number one consideration.

if i recall you were concerned about train noise. just go stand in the model, you wont hear the train from inside the house, the two closest railroad crossing are quiet zones. although occassionaly the freight train still does blow its horn.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on April 28, 2015, 12:36:25 PM
Yes, I am concerned about the train noise (and I'm not happy you can see planes flying over either, but there is less and less land out there, and if it's not the train, airport etc, it's a major road or toll road.

We were thinking of moving to Saviero (but I didn't like the plan one which was the only thing that could have worked for us and then the noise we could hear in the backyard of the house they had built (no models were built for that house and I think to this day it's still not sold) completely killed the deal. We didn't want to move near Orchard Hills school either because likely it's got lots of bells going off all day long (never really checked but that is what we assumed).

And I'm not thrilled about all the apts near Stand Pac homes, esp knowing there are a decent number of low income units.

We had a house years ago that had a less than optimal location and when we wanted to sell, all we heard was but it's near........ and you couldn't see or hear it. When we lived in Tustin Ranch and eventually rented the house out and later sold all we heard was but it's in Tustin Ranch not Irvine. In a hot sellers market, who cares? You can always resell but in a buyers market, that isn't the case, so I always look at the negative aspects to location when I decide what to buy.

My better half takes the train every day to Burbank and he either goes thru the Irvine Station or Tustin so being close by if we don't hear the noise is a plus for us and I have nothing but good things to say about our house that was built by Standard Pacific so I'd love to buy from that builder again. I think they have some homes coming to Beacon Park. If they have a house like the plan one in Stafford, I'd probably prefer Irvine over Tustin Legacy.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: gasman on April 28, 2015, 12:36:33 PM
if i recall you were concerned about train noise. just go stand in the model, you wont hear the train from inside the house, the two closest railroad crossing are quiet zones. although occassionaly the freight train still does blow its horn.

They haven't been quiet zones of late...they are blowin' horns all night.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 28, 2015, 12:52:13 PM
Doesn't R2S have a 4-car garage? Why would you move? :)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on April 28, 2015, 01:23:33 PM
if i recall you were concerned about train noise. just go stand in the model, you wont hear the train from inside the house, the two closest railroad crossing are quiet zones. although occassionaly the freight train still does blow its horn.

They haven't been quiet zones of late...they are blowin' horns all night.

my own snores may be drowning out the horn :-)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Harajuku on May 14, 2015, 03:32:01 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on May 14, 2015, 04:02:11 PM
the smallest plan is 3,711, if just below $1.2M was $1,175,000 that would be $316 sq ft.

Similar size home in OH are Messina (3,531 - 3,801), Vicenza (3,654 - 4,171) and Saviero (3,795 - 4,050), Messina starts at $1,519,000 or $430 sq/ft, Vicenza starts at $1,604,000 or $438 sq/ft and Saviero starts at $1,615,000 or $425 sq/ft.  So Stafford trades at a 25% to Saviero. $400K is a lot of money.

I thought superpowers would be worth more than gates and orchards :-)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvine Dream on May 14, 2015, 05:26:23 PM
the smallest plan is 3,711, if just below $1.2M was $1,175,000 that would be $316 sq ft.

Similar size home in OH are Messina (3,531 - 3,801), Vicenza (3,654 - 4,171) and Saviero (3,795 - 4,050), Messina starts at $1,519,000 or $430 sq/ft, Vicenza starts at $1,604,000 or $438 sq/ft and Saviero starts at $1,615,000 or $425 sq/ft.  So Stafford trades at a 25% to Saviero. $400K is a lot of money.

I thought superpowers would be worth more than gates and orchards :-)
I am assuming Harakju posted something about the price and then removed it.  Based on your post guess he indicated that Stafford price is less than 1.2 million.  Then it would be  a very serious competition to OH since even Capellas are now in the 1.4s.  What are the chances that OH prices will drop?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on May 14, 2015, 05:33:31 PM
I'm interested in buying a new home. Personally I don't think OH competes with Tustin Legacy. The only thing similar is new homes in the Tustin school district.

Tustin Legacy is going to attract buyers who are looking for homes which are lower $ per sq foot and they'll get it due to the location. Planes, trains and automobiles being the main issue. Also there is no low cost housing in OH. Tustin Legacy will have a lot of apts and low cost housing within walking distance.

I doubt OH will drop in price any more than North Irvine (PP, Stonegate, etc) had to drop prices because of Baker Ranch.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Happiness on May 14, 2015, 05:36:47 PM
the smallest plan is 3,711, if just below $1.2M was $1,175,000 that would be $316 sq ft.

Similar size home in OH are Messina (3,531 - 3,801), Vicenza (3,654 - 4,171) and Saviero (3,795 - 4,050), Messina starts at $1,519,000 or $430 sq/ft, Vicenza starts at $1,604,000 or $438 sq/ft and Saviero starts at $1,615,000 or $425 sq/ft.  So Stafford trades at a 25% to Saviero. $400K is a lot of money.

I thought superpowers would be worth more than gates and orchards :-)

Oh come now, developments named after picturesque Mediterranean towns have to be worth more than developments named after dead white guys.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: IrvineRealtor on May 24, 2015, 12:47:33 PM
Got to preview Stafford today. StanPac looks very nice. Phase one estimated at a December move-in.

Pricing was listed as follows:

Plan 1 - two are available, both at 3880sqft. One for $1,287,900 and the other at $1,303,900.
($336/sqft for the former and $332/sqft for the latter)

Plan 2 - one available at 3711sqft at $1,239,900.
($334/sqft)

Plan 3 - three available. Two are at 3961sqft. First is at $1,269,900. Second is at $1,282,900 and includes "2-Car + Storage Garage." Third is at 3831sqft as it does not include the "guest suite" and is priced at $1,225,900.
($324/sqft, $321/sqft, and $320/sqft respectively)

 Registration with brokers is taking place next weekend at the grand opening.
-IR2
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: ps9 on May 24, 2015, 06:04:03 PM
Plan 1 needs to separate its price more from the other two, and on StanPac's site, it gives a range of sq ft, yet there's no garage storage to expand, that can't be a 150 sq ft wine room?

Only one plan 2 for phase 1?  Best floorplan for Stafford, it's just missing a nook off the kitchen, it's our most utilized space in our current house.  Great upstairs layout, deck off the loft/bonus room is a nice option (better than off master bedroom)

Plan 3 has the better downstairs but I'm kinda meh on the upstairs.  Masters should have the back wall solo and not share any walls with secondary bedrooms.  Loft/bonus room is too small and a better launch would be in the middle of the level instead of the corner.  Priced well, best deal of the 3?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on May 24, 2015, 07:35:36 PM
Plan 1 is only 54 sq foot difference between the low end of sq foot and the high end. I'm assuming the extra sq footage is dependent upon the elevation with the bay window in front being the added 54 sq feet.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Harajuku on May 26, 2015, 10:19:25 AM
Plan 3
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: confuzed on May 26, 2015, 05:24:01 PM
We looked at Stafford over the weekend and the models were nice. We liked the plan 2 and are going to buy it, hopefully in first couple of phases.

The home sites were ~5250 sq. ft and up for first phase and all models have 10' ceiling on the main floor. The prices are little higher than what we had expected, but I guess they have too many qualified buyers. When we were there at 10am on Sunday, there were at least 6-7 other families walking around.

We have been living in Irvine for last 12+ years, but now we want to live in newer style homes, do not want to go north of I-5 and live close to places we normally go to (we go to district and market place two-three times a week) and don't need IUSD anymore.

Before someone thinks, I am not working for Standard Pacific.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on May 26, 2015, 05:53:05 PM
I'm guessing there will be plenty of buyers like confuzed, don't need or care about iusd and just want to be closer to the places they visit frequently (work, shopping, etc) which is why I think they will sell well
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvine Dream on May 26, 2015, 07:18:37 PM
I'm guessing there will be plenty of buyers like confuzed, don't need or care about iusd and just want to be closer to the places they visit frequently (work, shopping, etc) which is why I think they will sell well

I don't know whether they will sell that well.  Guess new and 10-foot ceiling would be a draw but the pricing- once you add for upgrades and landscaping- is at par or more expensive than Columbus Square (there are a couple 4,279 sq ft houses in a cul-de-sac available for sale for 1.4 million in Columbus Square now).  PP initial prices were 10 to 15% below the resales /new Irvine Co developments and hence the prices sky rocketed.  If BP sells very well then I can see these prices also going up but most of the 1.5 million houses are not going fast, take OH Saviero, Stonegate Sausalito etc.  Hence if BP stalls, then the potential for increase in price for Stafford won't be there.  Hence, shouldn't buy counting on appreciation but only if you like these houses better than the smaller one you will get in Irvine for the same price.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on May 26, 2015, 07:39:42 PM
I'm guessing there will be plenty of buyers like confuzed, don't need or care about iusd and just want to be closer to the places they visit frequently (work, shopping, etc) which is why I think they will sell well

Based on the small sample size of 1?  :P
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on May 26, 2015, 07:54:33 PM
Well here is what I know about people's buying behavior when it comes to housing, most people like to get as much house for what they can afford. There are hard core folks will only accept irvine. Then there are those who can a 2,300 sq ft condo for a $1 million detached condo on 3,500 sq ft lot that will see they can get a 3,000 sq ft home for the same price and bail to Tustin legacy. I think this will be even more pronounced for Sheldon. Why live in some 3 story attached product when u can get 4 bedrooms, 3 baths for the same price. Irvine hasn't had much competition recently to provide an alternative at a lower price point. Baker ranch sold well as a cheaper alternative so I'm guessing this will be the same. Although I am very curious to see how the homes along jamboree sell, they would be smart to offer extra insulation or better sound resistant/proof windows as options in the design center.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on May 26, 2015, 07:55:30 PM
I'm guessing there will be plenty of buyers like confuzed, don't need or care about iusd and just want to be closer to the places they visit frequently (work, shopping, etc) which is why I think they will sell well

Based on the small sample size of 1?  :P

I ran that sample of one through a very complicated model I created in excel :-)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 26, 2015, 08:28:58 PM
The qwerchete model only works when the 3000+sft 3CG home is only $750k and the HOA is $100.

At $1m+ and $230 HOA... not so much.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on May 26, 2015, 09:09:17 PM
The qwerchete model only works when the 3000+sft 3CG home is only $750k and the HOA is $100.

At $1m+ and $230 HOA... not so much.

the problem is you guys come at this from a hard-core irvine or bust mentality and cant seem to believe that people are willing to pay a $1M+ to live outside of irvine. yes we know irvine has great schools, etc. but there are plenty of people who dont care about schools or dont need the schools. yes, of course 3K sq ft with a 3CWG at 750K and 100 HOA are great. but that time came and went. you are nuts if you think it takes a 50% discount to irvine to buy in greenwood. if i can save 300-400K, get a better drive to work, be closer to where i spend most of my time why wouldnt i do it?  yeah the HOA is higher, but id rather pay an extra $100 per month than spend another 300-400K for the same house.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on May 26, 2015, 09:36:27 PM
The qwerchete model only works when the 3000+sft 3CG home is only $750k and the HOA is $100.

At $1m+ and $230 HOA... not so much.

the problem is you guys come at this from a hard-core irvine or bust mentality and cant seem to believe that people are willing to pay a $1M+ to live outside of irvine. yes we know irvine has great schools, etc. but there are plenty of people who dont care about schools or dont need the schools. yes, of course 3K sq ft with a 3CWG at 750K and 100 HOA are great. but that time came and went. you are nuts if you think it takes a 50% discount to irvine to buy in greenwood. if i can save 300-400K, get a better drive to work, be closer to where i spend most of my time why wouldnt i do it?  yeah the HOA is higher, but id rather pay an extra $100 per month than spend another 300-400K for the same house.

Relax.  I agree that 3,000sf 3CWG for $750k is crazy talk.  But I do think these are overpriced though.  Would you consider this better than Columbus Square?  Resales there are <$1m for 3,000sf with landscaping/windows/etc/etc all done.  In my opinion, Columbus Square is really the comp.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 26, 2015, 10:26:09 PM
The qwerchete model only works when the 3000+sft 3CG home is only $750k and the HOA is $100.

At $1m+ and $230 HOA... not so much.

the problem is you guys come at this from a hard-core irvine or bust mentality and cant seem to believe that people are willing to pay a $1M+ to live outside of irvine. yes we know irvine has great schools, etc. but there are plenty of people who dont care about schools or dont need the schools. yes, of course 3K sq ft with a 3CWG at 750K and 100 HOA are great. but that time came and went. you are nuts if you think it takes a 50% discount to irvine to buy in greenwood. if i can save 300-400K, get a better drive to work, be closer to where i spend most of my time why wouldnt i do it?  yeah the HOA is higher, but id rather pay an extra $100 per month than spend another 300-400K for the same house.
What I'm saying is when you bought, a comparable new 3CG (tandem) in that size in Irvine was more than 20% (maybe even 30%) than Columbus Square (or may not have even existed). The difference in price and product was more significant.

And like bones said, I think the most recent comps for your model are less than $1m so Greenwood, with a worse location than CS (IMO) for more money (price/MRs/HOA) isn't really that much of a "value" compared to any of the new Irvine product.

I don't think a $200k difference from Irvine is the only point, it's also that you are spending $200k more than in-Tustin comps.

I'm not expecting a 50% discount, but when you get to a certain square footage, 2800 vs 3500 seems similar enough if the room counts are the same, so the price difference is not as apparent.

Even back when your 3CWG was only $750k new, we couldn't pull the trigger for ourselves because we knew our next home we were planning to stay in for the long haul and the question about schools was a big one for our kids. We ended up paying way more for a smaller home... but like many, it wasn't just about price as the location has many question marks. We lived very close to CS before and it just wasn't for us.

Again, I think StanPac would have been better off building more < 3000 sft homes for less than $900k rather than > 3000 sft homes for more than $1.2m. But then again, I was totally off on Laguna Woktura.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Harajuku on May 27, 2015, 10:02:31 AM
I think these homes will sell well.  They are beautiful, built with high quality and IMHO they are priced fairly.  Of course I would have liked the price to be lower and the 40Y MR is really hard to swallow. 

The location actually works for us because I have to commute to North OC everyday on I-405.  The location allows me to exit Jamboree before hitting the Culver bottleneck so that's a big plus. 

At this point it is more of a want than need for us so we'll see what happens.

Btw, the preview event was full with Asians (Chinese and Indians predominantly).
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on May 27, 2015, 10:05:07 AM
I think these homes will sell well.  They are beautiful, built with high quality and IMHO they are priced fairly.  Of course I would have liked the price to be lower and the 40Y MR is really hard to swallow. 

The location actually works for us because I have to commute to North OC everyday on I-405.  The location allows me to exit Jamboree before hitting the Culver bottleneck so that's a big plus. 

At this point it is more of a want than need for us so we'll see what happens.

Btw, the preview event was full with Asians (Chinese and Indians predominantly).

If you don't have kids in school, this is perfect for you.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: jmoney74 on May 27, 2015, 10:08:26 AM
Well here is what I know about people's buying behavior when it comes to housing, most people like to get as much house for what they can afford. There are hard core folks will only accept irvine. Then there are those who can a 2,300 sq ft condo for a $1 million detached condo on 3,500 sq ft lot that will see they can get a 3,000 sq ft home for the same price and bail to Tustin legacy. I think this will be even more pronounced for Sheldon. Why live in some 3 story attached product when u can get 4 bedrooms, 3 baths for the same price. Irvine hasn't had much competition recently to provide an alternative at a lower price point. Baker ranch sold well as a cheaper alternative so I'm guessing this will be the same. Although I am very curious to see how the homes along jamboree sell, they would be smart to offer extra insulation or better sound resistant/proof windows as options in the design center.

I agree for the most part.. but one thing.. THERE ARE A LOT OF HARDCORE FOLKS that will only accept Irvine. 
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Harajuku on May 27, 2015, 10:15:22 AM
I think these homes will sell well.  They are beautiful, built with high quality and IMHO they are priced fairly.  Of course I would have liked the price to be lower and the 40Y MR is really hard to swallow. 

The location actually works for us because I have to commute to North OC everyday on I-405.  The location allows me to exit Jamboree before hitting the Culver bottleneck so that's a big plus. 

At this point it is more of a want than need for us so we'll see what happens.

Btw, the preview event was full with Asians (Chinese and Indians predominantly).

If you don't have kids in school, this is perfect for you.

I have 2 kiddos under 8. 
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Post by: eyephone on May 27, 2015, 10:17:21 AM
I think these homes will sell well.  They are beautiful, built with high quality and IMHO they are priced fairly.  Of course I would have liked the price to be lower and the 40Y MR is really hard to swallow. 

The location actually works for us because I have to commute to North OC everyday on I-405.  The location allows me to exit Jamboree before hitting the Culver bottleneck so that's a big plus. 

At this point it is more of a want than need for us so we'll see what happens.

Btw, the preview event was full with Asians (Chinese and Indians predominantly).

If you don't have kids in school, this is perfect for you.

I have 2 kiddos under 8.

Do you plan to send them to private or public school?
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Post by: jmoney74 on May 27, 2015, 10:17:40 AM
I think these homes will sell well.  They are beautiful, built with high quality and IMHO they are priced fairly.  Of course I would have liked the price to be lower and the 40Y MR is really hard to swallow. 

The location actually works for us because I have to commute to North OC everyday on I-405.  The location allows me to exit Jamboree before hitting the Culver bottleneck so that's a big plus. 

At this point it is more of a want than need for us so we'll see what happens.

Btw, the preview event was full with Asians (Chinese and Indians predominantly).

If you don't have kids in school, this is perfect for you.

I have 2 kiddos under 8.

Harajuku.. just come over to BP brah.
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Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 10:22:03 AM
Well here is what I know about people's buying behavior when it comes to housing, most people like to get as much house for what they can afford. There are hard core folks will only accept irvine. Then there are those who can a 2,300 sq ft condo for a $1 million detached condo on 3,500 sq ft lot that will see they can get a 3,000 sq ft home for the same price and bail to Tustin legacy. I think this will be even more pronounced for Sheldon. Why live in some 3 story attached product when u can get 4 bedrooms, 3 baths for the same price. Irvine hasn't had much competition recently to provide an alternative at a lower price point. Baker ranch sold well as a cheaper alternative so I'm guessing this will be the same. Although I am very curious to see how the homes along jamboree sell, they would be smart to offer extra insulation or better sound resistant/proof windows as options in the design center.

I agree for the most part.. but one thing.. THERE ARE A LOT OF HARDCORE FOLKS that will only accept Irvine.

Exactly...go look realtor flier...not that many that tout Tustin or TUSD as a selling.  It may be ignorant and/or silly but it's reality.
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Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 10:25:58 AM
I haven't read all of the prior comments but I think Greenwood would need to be at a pretty substantial discount to sell to families.  Location is not very good...between the traffic of Jamboree and District, the planes flying overhead, and the gravel factory, there is a lot going against it.

If I was looking for a house right now, I would definitely put Beacon Park ahead of it.
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Post by: pnau on May 27, 2015, 11:52:47 AM
I haven't read all of the prior comments but I think Greenwood would need to be at a pretty substantial discount to sell to families.  Location is not very good...between the traffic of Jamboree and District, the planes flying overhead, and the gravel factory, there is a lot going against it.

If I was looking for a house right now, I would definitely put Beacon Park ahead of it.

Obviously it's subjective. Personally I think the location is way better than BP. To me, BP is out in the boonies. There's also nothing to do out there at great park. Even if we end up buying in Irvine we'd still send our kids to private school. I'm probably in the minority but IUSD isn't all that, at the end of the day it's still a public school. There are other way better choices.
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Post by: bones on May 27, 2015, 11:56:51 AM
I haven't read all of the prior comments but I think Greenwood would need to be at a pretty substantial discount to sell to families.  Location is not very good...between the traffic of Jamboree and District, the planes flying overhead, and the gravel factory, there is a lot going against it.

If I was looking for a house right now, I would definitely put Beacon Park ahead of it.

Obviously it's subjective. Personally I think the location is way better than BP. To me, BP is out in the boonies. There's also nothing to do out there at great park. Even if we end up buying in Irvine we'd still send our kids to private school. I'm probably in the minority but IUSD isn't all that, at the end of the day it's still a public school. There are other way better choices.

We are in the same minority :)  My kids go/will go to private school as well yet I pay a ton of Mello Roos each and every year.
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Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 27, 2015, 12:06:10 PM
Dang... private school AND MRs... one for the price of TWO!
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Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 12:18:56 PM
I haven't read all of the prior comments but I think Greenwood would need to be at a pretty substantial discount to sell to families.  Location is not very good...between the traffic of Jamboree and District, the planes flying overhead, and the gravel factory, there is a lot going against it.

If I was looking for a house right now, I would definitely put Beacon Park ahead of it.

Obviously it's subjective. Personally I think the location is way better than BP. To me, BP is out in the boonies. There's also nothing to do out there at great park. Even if we end up buying in Irvine we'd still send our kids to private school. I'm probably in the minority but IUSD isn't all that, at the end of the day it's still a public school. There are other way better choices.

I know it's a highly personal choice but I don't see why one would pay tuition before college unless you are going to some Boston boarding school. Especially true when you have an alternative like IUSD.

Take the money and put it in a college/trust fund.  A good college doesn't even get you a good job anymore...take the savings to go to a decent but local school and get into the best grad school you can.
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Post by: GH on May 27, 2015, 12:21:24 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.
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Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 12:24:11 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

Mater Dei is in SA.  A lot of private school proponents are all about personal attention and low student to staff ratio.  I think that is a valid point if your kid requires extra attention but most kids can do fine in a standard classroom with good family/community support. 
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Post by: GH on May 27, 2015, 12:32:29 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

Mater Dei is in SA.  A lot of private school proponents are all about personal attention and low student to staff ratio.  I think that is a valid point if your kid requires extra attention but most kids can do fine in a standard classroom with good family/community support.

too far (and traffic).  I actually thought Mater Dei is Costa Mesa, that's why I mentioned CM and RSM to rule out Mater Dei and Santa Margarita Catholic School.

Personally, I'm very turned off by some the ideologies promoted by the government in public schools and would prefer private schools if it is a feasible option.
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Post by: Swordfish on May 27, 2015, 12:34:39 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

We are seriously considering Fairmont in North Tustin. Not because our daughter needs "extra attention" but because we want to put her in the best position to be accepted into a top college.
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Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 12:35:05 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

Mater Dei is in SA.  A lot of private school proponents are all about personal attention and low student to staff ratio.  I think that is a valid point if your kid requires extra attention but most kids can do fine in a standard classroom with good family/community support.

too far (and traffic).  I actually thought Mater Dei is Costa Mesa, that's why I mentioned CM and RSM to rule out Mater Dei and Santa Margarita Catholic School.

Personally, I'm very turned off by some the ideologies promoted by the government in public schools and would prefer private schools if it is a feasible option.

I am afraid to ask but...what ideologies are you referring to? 
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Post by: eyephone on May 27, 2015, 12:35:59 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

Mater Dei is in SA.  A lot of private school proponents are all about personal attention and low student to staff ratio.  I think that is a valid point if your kid requires extra attention but most kids can do fine in a standard classroom with good family/community support.

too far (and traffic).  I actually thought Mater Dei is Costa Mesa, that's why I mentioned CM and RSM to rule out Mater Dei and Santa Margarita Catholic School.

Personally, I'm very turned off by some the ideologies promoted by the government in public schools and would prefer private schools if it is a feasible option.

Too bad the government doesn't give vouchers to attend a private school.
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Post by: bones on May 27, 2015, 12:36:44 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

There's not many options in Irvine.  There's also TVT and a few of the montessoris go up to junior high I think.  If you expand to Tustin, you have Fairmont and a few others.

In terms of are they academically better?  Hard to say.  You'll need to tour and speak to current/past parents/students to get a feel.  If you are serious about the private school route, I highly suggest you tour a few of the IUSD elem schools prior to going on private school tours so you can compare the two.

Also, there are bus options for some of the private schools.  Obviously, it'll be based on demand.  But for example, there are buses that bring Newport Beach kids down to SJC daily for St. Margarets, etc.
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Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 12:37:31 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

Mater Dei is in SA.  A lot of private school proponents are all about personal attention and low student to staff ratio.  I think that is a valid point if your kid requires extra attention but most kids can do fine in a standard classroom with good family/community support.

too far (and traffic).  I actually thought Mater Dei is Costa Mesa, that's why I mentioned CM and RSM to rule out Mater Dei and Santa Margarita Catholic School.

Personally, I'm very turned off by some the ideologies promoted by the government in public schools and would prefer private schools if it is a feasible option.

Too bad the government doesn't give vouchers to attend a private school.

Good way to gut the public school system and hurt those who are in there.
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Post by: Harajuku on May 27, 2015, 12:38:35 PM
Too bad there isn't one in South Cal.
https://www.altschool.com/
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Post by: bones on May 27, 2015, 12:41:26 PM
I know it's a highly personal choice but I don't see why one would pay tuition before college unless you are going to some Boston boarding school. Especially true when you have an alternative like IUSD.

Take the money and put it in a college/trust fund.  A good college doesn't even get you a good job anymore...take the savings to go to a decent but local school and get into the best grad school you can.

You're assuming all these things are mutually exclusive when they may not be. 
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Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 12:46:13 PM
I know it's a highly personal choice but I don't see why one would pay tuition before college unless you are going to some Boston boarding school. Especially true when you have an alternative like IUSD.

Take the money and put it in a college/trust fund.  A good college doesn't even get you a good job anymore...take the savings to go to a decent but local school and get into the best grad school you can.

You're assuming all these things are mutually exclusive when they may not be.

True...not in the 0.1% income bracket.  But you are spending money on tuition that can be used for other uses...opportunity costs FTW!
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Post by: nyc to oc on May 27, 2015, 12:54:51 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

We are seriously considering Fairmont in North Tustin. Not because our daughter needs "extra attention" but because we want to put her in the best position to be accepted into a top college.

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Post by: GH on May 27, 2015, 12:56:54 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

Mater Dei is in SA.  A lot of private school proponents are all about personal attention and low student to staff ratio.  I think that is a valid point if your kid requires extra attention but most kids can do fine in a standard classroom with good family/community support.

too far (and traffic).  I actually thought Mater Dei is Costa Mesa, that's why I mentioned CM and RSM to rule out Mater Dei and Santa Margarita Catholic School.

Personally, I'm very turned off by some the ideologies promoted by the government in public schools and would prefer private schools if it is a feasible option.

I am afraid to ask but...what ideologies are you referring to?

I'd rather keep to myself .. don't want to sabotage this thread with off-topic discussion :)  Ideologies might not be the accurate term, but generally, I don't like government "brain-washing" kids (especially younger ones) to lean one-way or the other (left or right) on political and social issues that really has little to do with education.  This is just merely based on what I read and not really a first hand experience so I could be wrong.  But school should not be the battleground for these agendas and we should let kids decide for themselves where they grow older.
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Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 27, 2015, 12:58:59 PM
So since bones doesn't live in Irvine for the schools... why Irvine?

OpenSky wants to know!

No need to answer if it's too personal or oversharing... but I do find it interesting because I think I'm one of the few who chooses to live in Irvine even if I didn't have kids (and we sent our kids to private school past K).

#ForThePickUpBasketballGames
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Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 12:59:36 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

We are seriously considering Fairmont in North Tustin. Not because our daughter needs "extra attention" but because we want to put her in the best position to be accepted into a top college.

I am not intimating that your daughter does need the extra attention, just that small class size/personalized attention are most valuable to those who do.  I am sure your daughter will do well no matter where she goes. 

I think you're underestimating the competitiveness of IUSD schools...especially places like Northwood and University High.
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Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 01:02:34 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

Mater Dei is in SA.  A lot of private school proponents are all about personal attention and low student to staff ratio.  I think that is a valid point if your kid requires extra attention but most kids can do fine in a standard classroom with good family/community support.

too far (and traffic).  I actually thought Mater Dei is Costa Mesa, that's why I mentioned CM and RSM to rule out Mater Dei and Santa Margarita Catholic School.

Personally, I'm very turned off by some the ideologies promoted by the government in public schools and would prefer private schools if it is a feasible option.

I am afraid to ask but...what ideologies are you referring to?

I'd rather keep to myself .. don't want to sabotage this thread with off-topic discussion :)  Ideologies might not be the accurate term, but generally, I don't like government "brain-washing" kids (especially younger ones) to lean one-way or the other (left or right) on political and social issues that really has little to do with education.  This is just merely based on what I read and not really a first hand experience so I could be wrong.  But school should not be the battleground for these agendas and we should let kids decide for themselves where they grow older.

Well...my daughter goes to IUSD for K and I have seen nothing controversial...although Rainbow Fish seems a little too communistic to me ;)

It's hard to address your concerns without knowing what they are (not that you need them addressed) or how private schools are less "controversial" than public schools.  Most private schools are religious so more "polarizing" than public schools IMO.
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Post by: bones on May 27, 2015, 01:03:57 PM
So since bones doesn't live in Irvine for the schools... why Irvine?

OpenSky wants to know!

No need to answer if it's too personal or oversharing... but I do find it interesting because I think I'm one of the few who chooses to live in Irvine even if I didn't have kids (and we sent our kids to private school past K).

#ForThePickUpBasketballGames

#tobeneighborswithIHOinPP #duh #whyaskwhy
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Post by: iacrenter on May 27, 2015, 01:31:00 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

We are seriously considering Fairmont in North Tustin. Not because our daughter needs "extra attention" but because we want to put her in the best position to be accepted into a top college.

I am not intimating that your daughter does need the extra attention, just that small class size/personalized attention are most valuable to those who do.  I am sure your daughter will do well no matter where she goes. 

I think you're underestimating the competitiveness of IUSD schools...especially places like Northwood and University High.

If your ultimate goal is a top college then IUSD or private schools are not the answer. As IHS has posted numerous times, you are better off being in a less competitive public school district. It is better to be at the top of your class and having taken a higher % of the AP classes. A resource poor school with less Asians is an easier way to achieve those goals.

Better yet, have some babies with QWERTY and all your kids will be going to Harvard.
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Post by: bones on May 27, 2015, 01:37:54 PM

If your ultimate goal is a top college then IUSD or private schools are not the answer. As IHS has posted numerous times, you are better off being in a less competitive public school district. It is better to be at the top of your class and having taken a higher % of the AP classes. A resource poor school with less Asians is an easier way to achieve those goals.

Better yet, have some babies with QWERTY and all your kids will be going to Harvard.

Depends on what private schools.  The prep schools on the east coast are feeders to the Ivys.  Locally, for example, Sage Hill in NB does pretty well.  Graduating class of ~125.  More than 10% get into the Ivys+MIT+S.  Their class of 2013 had 2 Harvard admits.
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Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 27, 2015, 01:38:44 PM
If your ultimate goal is a top college then IUSD or private schools are not the answer. As IHS has posted numerous times, you are better off being in a less competitive public school district. It is better to be at the top of your class and having taken a higher % of the AP classes. A resource poor school with less Asians is an easier way to achieve those goals.
But your kid might get a shiv. :)
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Better yet, have some babies with QWERTY and all your kids will be going to Harvard.
This seems safest... and your kid always has a plan B... landscape engineer.
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Post by: jmoney74 on May 27, 2015, 01:40:13 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

We are seriously considering Fairmont in North Tustin. Not because our daughter needs "extra attention" but because we want to put her in the best position to be accepted into a top college.

I am not intimating that your daughter does need the extra attention, just that small class size/personalized attention are most valuable to those who do.  I am sure your daughter will do well no matter where she goes. 

I think you're underestimating the competitiveness of IUSD schools...especially places like Northwood and University High.

If your ultimate goal is a top college then IUSD or private schools are not the answer. As IHS has posted numerous times, you are better off being in a less competitive public school district. It is better to be at the top of your class and having taken a higher % of the AP classes. A resource poor school with less Asians is an easier way to achieve those goals.

Better yet, have some babies with QWERTY and all your kids will be going to Harvard.

Irvine is a nice place to live and raise a family.  Lots of parks.. easy on the eyes.. and a system of control.  Sure the FCBs are mainly buying for the schools.. but there is a lifestyle difference out there that is worth a premium. 
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Post by: bones on May 27, 2015, 01:46:40 PM
Irvine is a nice place to live and raise a family.  Lots of parks.. easy on the eyes.. and a system of control.  Sure the FCBs are mainly buying for the schools.. but there is a lifestyle difference out there that is worth a premium. 

Not just the FCBs dude.  EVERYONE and their mother around here are always yapping about how GREAT the schools are.  Even if they have no first hand experience. 
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Post by: eyephone on May 27, 2015, 01:52:51 PM
What are the private school(s) option in the Irvine area ?  Only ones I know of is the Crean Lutheran and another Lutheran school in Red Hill (Tustin).  Are these academically at par or better than IUSD ?  Costa Mesa or RSM is way too inconvenient to drop off/pickup.

We are seriously considering Fairmont in North Tustin. Not because our daughter needs "extra attention" but because we want to put her in the best position to be accepted into a top college.

I am not intimating that your daughter does need the extra attention, just that small class size/personalized attention are most valuable to those who do.  I am sure your daughter will do well no matter where she goes. 

I think you're underestimating the competitiveness of IUSD schools...especially places like Northwood and University High.

If your ultimate goal is a top college then IUSD or private schools are not the answer. As IHS has posted numerous times, you are better off being in a less competitive public school district. It is better to be at the top of your class and having taken a higher % of the AP classes. A resource poor school with less Asians is an easier way to achieve those goals.

Better yet, have some babies with QWERTY and all your kids will be going to Harvard.

Yup.

The options if you want your kid to get into a good school or free ride because the competition shouldn't be that tough: send them to a high school in Santa Ana or Tustin High (or any low performing high school)

If your kid is really ambitious or genius the options are:move to Cerritos and hopefully they can get into Whitney, or move to Cypress and hopefully they can get into Oxford. 
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Post by: nyc to oc on May 27, 2015, 01:54:06 PM

If your ultimate goal is a top college then IUSD or private schools are not the answer. As IHS has posted numerous times, you are better off being in a less competitive public school district. It is better to be at the top of your class and having taken a higher % of the AP classes. A resource poor school with less Asians is an easier way to achieve those goals.

Better yet, have some babies with QWERTY and all your kids will be going to Harvard.

Depends on what private schools.  The prep schools on the east coast are feeders to the Ivys.  Locally, for example, Sage Hill in NB does pretty well.  Graduating class of ~125.  More than 10% get into the Ivys+MIT+S.  Their class of 2013 had 2 Harvard admits.

Yeah, but this is orange county we're talking about here. I don't think there's a real OC feeder equivalent. Closest thing might be Harvard-Westlake in LA.
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Post by: qwerty on May 27, 2015, 01:55:56 PM
cmon guys, lets get this back on topic :-)

this is what im talking about, eiza gonzalez.


(http://mx.hola.com/imagenes//cine/201408217851/eiza-gonzalez-antes-despues-curvas/0-31-76/Eiza-Gonz%C3%A1lez---z.jpg)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on May 27, 2015, 01:59:49 PM

If your ultimate goal is a top college then IUSD or private schools are not the answer. As IHS has posted numerous times, you are better off being in a less competitive public school district. It is better to be at the top of your class and having taken a higher % of the AP classes. A resource poor school with less Asians is an easier way to achieve those goals.

Better yet, have some babies with QWERTY and all your kids will be going to Harvard.

Depends on what private schools.  The prep schools on the east coast are feeders to the Ivys.  Locally, for example, Sage Hill in NB does pretty well.  Graduating class of ~125.  More than 10% get into the Ivys+MIT+S.  Their class of 2013 had 2 Harvard admits.

Yeah, but this is orange county we're talking about here, not east coast elite prep/boarding schools. I don't think there's a real OC feeder equivalent. Closest thing might be Harvard-Westlake in LA.  I went to an elite east coast college and back then at least, most of the kids from Southern California were from the public schools.

Yea I know.  But that's why I brought up Sage.  They're pretty new to the private school game, opened up in the last 15 years or so.  And it sounds like they're trying to position themselves as the "OC feeder".  It does take time to build up a reputation to the east coast colleges...
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Post by: iacrenter on May 27, 2015, 02:01:44 PM
cmon guys, lets get this back on topic :-)

this is what im talking about, eiza gonzalez.


If I get to have babies with her, I will change my last name.  ;)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
The other aspect of this equation is what benefits your kid will get for going to an Ivy versus going a top level public school like Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Virginia, UNC?  In this era...not much. 

You're actually better off going to a slight lowered tier school like UCI or UCSD, getting a full ride, doing insanely well in college and go to a top notch grad school.  Alternatively, you go to a small time college...get great grades and get to know your professors for recommendations.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Homer_Simpson on May 27, 2015, 02:09:30 PM
The other aspect of this equation is what benefits your kid will get for going to an Ivy versus going a top level public school like Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Virginia, UNC?  In this era...not much.  You're actually better off going to a top tier school like UCI or UCSD, getting a full ride, doing insanely well in college and go to a top notch grad school.

What profession?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 02:12:28 PM
The other aspect of this equation is what benefits your kid will get for going to an Ivy versus going a top level public school like Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Virginia, UNC?  In this era...not much.  You're actually better off going to a top tier school like UCI or UCSD, getting a full ride, doing insanely well in college and go to a top notch grad school.

What profession?

I would say...most professions outside of Engineering or CS, which you can get a job out of college.  But again, you don't need to go to an Ivy for those.

Certainly for Law, Medicine, research profession of any kind...business is a little trickier but all those schools I listed have tremendous business programs. 

Edit:  Accounting...but again...how much more does an accounting degree from Princeton get you vs one from Cal or UCLA...probably some but not as much as people believe.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: nyc to oc on May 27, 2015, 02:24:28 PM
The other aspect of this equation is what benefits your kid will get for going to an Ivy versus going a top level public school like Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Virginia, UNC?  In this era...not much.  You're actually better off going to a top tier school like UCI or UCSD, getting a full ride, doing insanely well in college and go to a top notch grad school.

What profession?

I would say...most professions outside of Engineering or CS, which you can get a job out of college.  But again, you don't need to go to an Ivy for those.

Certainly for Law, Medicine, research profession of any kind...business is a little trickier but all those schools I listed have tremendous business programs.

for certain kinds of business, I think it definitely makes it easier to get a serious look from recruiters if you come from a short list of schools, or already have an "in" by knowing someone. I don't think it matters so much for fields where a graduate/professional degree is necessary, such as medicine/law. 

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/05/recruitment-resumes-interviews-how-the-hiring-process-favors-elites/394166/
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on May 27, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
The other aspect of this equation is what benefits your kid will get for going to an Ivy versus going a top level public school like Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Virginia, UNC?  In this era...not much.  You're actually better off going to a top tier school like UCI or UCSD, getting a full ride, doing insanely well in college and go to a top notch grad school.

What profession?

I would say...most professions outside of Engineering or CS, which you can get a job out of college.  But again, you don't need to go to an Ivy for those.

Certainly for Law, Medicine, research profession of any kind...business is a little trickier but all those schools I listed have tremendous business programs.

for certain kinds of business, I think it definitely makes it easier to get a serious look from recruiters if you come from a short list of schools, or already have an "in" by knowing someone. I don't think it matters so much for fields where a graduate/professional degree is necessary, such as medicine/law. 

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/05/recruitment-resumes-interviews-how-the-hiring-process-favors-elites/394166/

In a way it does matter, when I choose a doctor - I look where that person went to school.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 02:31:51 PM
The other aspect of this equation is what benefits your kid will get for going to an Ivy versus going a top level public school like Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Virginia, UNC?  In this era...not much.  You're actually better off going to a top tier school like UCI or UCSD, getting a full ride, doing insanely well in college and go to a top notch grad school.

What profession?

I would say...most professions outside of Engineering or CS, which you can get a job out of college.  But again, you don't need to go to an Ivy for those.

Certainly for Law, Medicine, research profession of any kind...business is a little trickier but all those schools I listed have tremendous business programs.

for certain kinds of business, I think it definitely makes it easier to get a serious look from recruiters if you come from a short list of schools, or already have an "in" by knowing someone. I don't think it matters so much for fields where a graduate/professional degree is necessary, such as medicine/law. 

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/05/recruitment-resumes-interviews-how-the-hiring-process-favors-elites/394166/

In a way it does matter, when I choose a doctor - I look where that person went to school.

Yes...but do colleges matter?  Would you choose a doctor who went to Harvard for college and then UCI for med school or a doctor who went to UCI for college and then Harvard for med school? 
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on May 27, 2015, 02:37:22 PM

Edit:  Accounting...but again...how much more does an accounting degree from Princeton get you vs one from Cal or UCLA...probably some but not as much as people believe.

Well nothing bc Princeton doesn't offer an accounting degree. Accounting is like trade school. Not hoity toity enough for Princeton :)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 02:39:36 PM

Edit:  Accounting...but again...how much more does an accounting degree from Princeton get you vs one from Cal or UCLA...probably some but not as much as people believe.

Well nothing bc Princeton doesn't offer an accounting degree.

See how much I know about accounting?   But according to USN...the best accounting programs are mostly non-Ivy.  Only UPenn is in the top 10.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-accounting
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 02:42:20 PM
The other aspect of this equation is what benefits your kid will get for going to an Ivy versus going a top level public school like Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Virginia, UNC?  In this era...not much.  You're actually better off going to a top tier school like UCI or UCSD, getting a full ride, doing insanely well in college and go to a top notch grad school.

What profession?

I would say...most professions outside of Engineering or CS, which you can get a job out of college.  But again, you don't need to go to an Ivy for those.

Certainly for Law, Medicine, research profession of any kind...business is a little trickier but all those schools I listed have tremendous business programs.

for certain kinds of business, I think it definitely makes it easier to get a serious look from recruiters if you come from a short list of schools, or already have an "in" by knowing someone. I don't think it matters so much for fields where a graduate/professional degree is necessary, such as medicine/law. 

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/05/recruitment-resumes-interviews-how-the-hiring-process-favors-elites/394166/

If we go by USN's rankings...UPenn is the only Ivy of note for business programs.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall

Edit:  Ditto for Engineering schools...Princeton/Cornell are 10 and 11th respectively...

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 27, 2015, 02:54:33 PM
Heh... typical TI derail into Ivy discussion.

#RacismNext

Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on May 27, 2015, 03:02:21 PM
Heh... typical TI derail into Ivy discussion.

#RacismNext



there are way too many asians in ivy league schools right now :-)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on May 27, 2015, 03:02:43 PM

Edit:  Accounting...but again...how much more does an accounting degree from Princeton get you vs one from Cal or UCLA...probably some but not as much as people believe.

Well nothing bc Princeton doesn't offer an accounting degree. Accounting is like trade school. Not hoity toity enough for Princeton :)

your dead to me.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on May 27, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
USC top 5 accounting school!
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on May 27, 2015, 03:06:00 PM
Heh... typical TI derail into Ivy discussion.

#RacismNext



there are way too many asians in ivy league schools right now :-)

Maybe that's why they are "limiting" Asians into Ivy schools.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: WTTCHMN on May 27, 2015, 03:42:51 PM
Triplets from Sage Hill got into MIT this year, although their grandfather was former faculty.  Being non-Asian (i.e. Jewish) presumably helped as well.  Qwerty would be happy to know that their father went to USC and is now a judge.  He really married down (mom went to UCI).  But, see IHS, there is still hope.  You can go to UCI, marry up, and send your all three of your IVF kids to MIT!

https://gma.yahoo.com/mit-bound-california-triplets-made-incredible-sacrifices-164218174--abc-news-topstories.html
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on May 27, 2015, 03:56:31 PM
Triplets from Sage Hill got into MIT this year, although their grandfather was former faculty.  Being non-Asian (i.e. Jewish) presumably helped as well.  Qwerty would be happy to know that their father went to USC and is now a judge.  He really married down (mom went to UCI).  But, see IHS, there is still hope.  You can go to UCI, marry up, and send your all three of your IVF kids to MIT!

https://gma.yahoo.com/mit-bound-california-triplets-made-incredible-sacrifices-164218174--abc-news-topstories.html

Sounds like a possible connection "direct relative faculty"


Uci - thumbs down "flag incident" (I will never forget) lol
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 27, 2015, 03:56:44 PM
Triplets from Sage Hill got into MIT this year, although their grandfather was former faculty.  Being non-Asian (i.e. Jewish) presumably helped as well.  Qwerty would be happy to know that their father went to USC and is now a judge.  He really married down (mom went to UCI).  But, see IHS, there is still hope.  You can go to UCI, marry up, and send your all three of your IVF kids to MIT!

https://gma.yahoo.com/mit-bound-california-triplets-made-incredible-sacrifices-164218174--abc-news-topstories.html

That's a great story but this quote made me roll my eyes:

Quote
“It’s gratifying to me and my wife because you never know if their hard work will ever pay off,” Goul said. “They made incredible sacrifices growing up by taking the most difficult courses and taking summer courses because they knew what their goals were.”
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on May 30, 2015, 01:02:44 PM
There's the pricing for Stafford (broker co-op is $20k)...

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g69/mmania12/86deaf0e-613a-4c65-a8b5-ba1fb23cbdec_zpsarilvlvu.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/mmania12/media/86deaf0e-613a-4c65-a8b5-ba1fb23cbdec_zpsarilvlvu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: A S on May 31, 2015, 10:14:16 PM
I  know it's "Talk Irvine", but I'm surprised there isn't much written about the grand opening weekend on here.

We went to check out the models to get design ideas.  Overall, I thought Standard Pacific did a great job with Stafford and Crawford (aside from my question on the driveway).  I loved Stafford Plan 2, the house was nicely laid out.  An equivalent size house would easily be high $1M elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: lovingit on May 31, 2015, 11:56:52 PM
Looking forward to seeing Crawford and Stafford. 1.7% tax is high though.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: test on June 01, 2015, 09:19:29 AM
1.7% tax is high though.

Keeps the riff raff out.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on June 01, 2015, 09:31:49 AM
1.7% tax is high though.

Keeps the riff raff out.

Too bad it doesn't keep the "surrounding noise" out.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Vinster on June 01, 2015, 02:46:58 PM
Triplets from Sage Hill got into MIT this year, although their grandfather was former faculty.  Being non-Asian (i.e. Jewish) presumably helped as well.  Qwerty would be happy to know that their father went to USC and is now a judge.  He really married down (mom went to UCI).  But, see IHS, there is still hope.  You can go to UCI, marry up, and send your all three of your IVF kids to MIT!

https://gma.yahoo.com/mit-bound-california-triplets-made-incredible-sacrifices-164218174--abc-news-topstories.html

It doesn't mention it in the article but putting two and two together, their grandfather is Edward Thorp. This guy figured out how to do blackjack card counting and wrote the first book about it, "Beat the Dealer".
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvine Fanatic on June 01, 2015, 03:25:09 PM
I stopped off at the models today. Looks like there is a steady stream of activity in the middle of a work day, thats a positive. From looking at the fact sheet, it looks like the effective tax will be 1.75%. Schools are zoned for Veeh Elementary, Currie Middle School, and Tustin High. And finally the HOA fees can go as high as $320 / mo. Aside from that I saw handful of FCB rolling up in their Euro cars and mini pet dogs in hand.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on June 01, 2015, 03:59:18 PM
Aside from that I saw handful of FCB rolling up in their Euro cars and mini pet dogs in hand.

That wasn't an FCB. It was qwerty.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: jmoney74 on June 01, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
I stopped off at the models today. Looks like there is a steady stream of activity in the middle of a work day, thats a positive. From looking at the fact sheet, it looks like the effective tax will be 1.75%. Schools are zoned for Veeh Elementary, Currie Middle School, and Tustin High. And finally the HOA fees can go as high as $320 / mo. Aside from that I saw handful of FCB rolling up in their Euro cars and mini pet dogs in hand.

$320??? wowzers.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 01, 2015, 05:05:42 PM
I stopped off at the models today. Looks like there is a steady stream of activity in the middle of a work day, thats a positive. From looking at the fact sheet, it looks like the effective tax will be 1.75%. Schools are zoned for Veeh Elementary, Currie Middle School, and Tustin High. And finally the HOA fees can go as high as $320 / mo. Aside from that I saw handful of FCB rolling up in their Euro cars and mini pet dogs in hand.

$320??? wowzers.

320 for now and 230 at build out.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: lovingit on June 01, 2015, 05:41:47 PM
Originally, I thought they were zoned to Beckman High. Tustin High api is mid 700s. Veeh and Currie are around there also. Not the Hicks, Orchard Hills and Beckman schools I thought.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: The California Court Company on June 01, 2015, 05:52:08 PM
Ouch

Originally, I thought they were zoned to Beckman High. Tustin High api is mid 700s. Veeh and Currie are around there also. Not the Hicks, Orchard Hills and Beckman schools I thought.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on June 01, 2015, 06:00:22 PM
Originally, I thought they were zoned to Beckman High. Tustin High api is mid 700s. Veeh and Currie are around there also. Not the Hicks, Orchard Hills and Beckman schools I thought.

Really? Where have you been?

If that's the case, there wouldn't be tons of discussions.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 01, 2015, 06:26:23 PM
Originally, I thought they were zoned to Beckman High. Tustin High api is mid 700s. Veeh and Currie are around there also. Not the Hicks, Orchard Hills and Beckman schools I thought.

Really? Where have you been?

If that's the case, there wouldn't be tons of discussions.

and they probably would not be as cheap. and since you are not up to speed on the school thing, a new elementary is scheduled to open in the fall of 2016 that will be the home school for all of tustin legacy.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: jmoney74 on June 01, 2015, 06:40:09 PM
Originally, I thought they were zoned to Beckman High. Tustin High api is mid 700s. Veeh and Currie are around there also. Not the Hicks, Orchard Hills and Beckman schools I thought.

Really? Where have you been?

If that's the case, there wouldn't be tons of discussions.

and they probably would not be as cheap. and since you are not up to speed on the school thing, a new elementary is scheduled to open in the fall of 2016 that will be the home school for all of tustin legacy.

I know its eventual but not sure if that date is in concrete pr they woukd have advertised it.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: lovingit on June 01, 2015, 06:52:37 PM
Originally, I thought they were zoned to Beckman High. Tustin High api is mid 700s. Veeh and Currie are around there also. Not the Hicks, Orchard Hills and Beckman schools I thought.

Really? Where have you been?

If that's the case, there wouldn't be tons of discussions.

Apparently jumping to the last page of the thread.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 02, 2015, 08:37:08 AM
The school zoning is very bad.  I wonder if they are prepared to open a new high school in the area.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on June 02, 2015, 08:40:45 AM
The school zoning is very bad.  I wonder if they are prepared to open a new high school in the area.

They are. Some STEM 6-12 school I think. But that's probably at least 5+ years out. Not great for your $1.4m 2015 home.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: ps9 on June 02, 2015, 08:56:00 AM
A. G. Currie Middle•
Tustin High

These two schools got the CA award recently, Currie was even distinguished for its Arts program.

http://www.cde.ca.gov/nr/ne/yr15/yr15rel37.asp

Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvine Fanatic on June 02, 2015, 09:34:57 AM
I get a feeling in the long run Tustin is going to be a good buy and the schools will improve. So far you get more for your money, but thats because of obvious reasons, however, with the influx of money, comes (assuming) and influx of higher educated residents (paying $1.3M+) with more resources and and greater ambitions which (again this is just my theory) will trickle down to the kids that will flood the tustin school system. This should increase the values of the surrounding homes in Tustin (as the schools transform and become more like the beckman, peters canyon, hicks canyon, pioneer middle, OH middle).
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 02, 2015, 09:44:47 AM
I get a feeling in the long run Tustin is going to be a good buy and the schools will improve. So far you get more for your money, but thats because of obvious reasons, however, with the influx of money, comes (assuming) and influx of higher educated residents (paying $1.3M+) with more resources and and greater ambitions which (again this is just my theory) will trickle down to the kids that will flood the tustin school system. This should increase the values of the surrounding homes in Tustin (as the schools transform and become more like the beckman, peters canyon, hicks canyon, pioneer middle, OH middle).

I have been making this argument from day 1. People will start becoming believers when the elementary opens in 2106. The sports park opening in 2016 should be pretty nice as well.

How are schools measured now? Are APi scores still used? I don't think tusd switched to common core so assuming they still use API scores? 
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 02, 2015, 09:47:51 AM
At over $1m, you are better off buying in Irvine.

#TakeThatQwertest
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 02, 2015, 09:48:02 AM
I get a feeling in the long run Tustin is going to be a good buy and the schools will improve. So far you get more for your money, but thats because of obvious reasons, however, with the influx of money, comes (assuming) and influx of higher educated residents (paying $1.3M+) with more resources and and greater ambitions which (again this is just my theory) will trickle down to the kids that will flood the tustin school system. This should increase the values of the surrounding homes in Tustin (as the schools transform and become more like the beckman, peters canyon, hicks canyon, pioneer middle, OH middle).

I have been making this argument from day 1. People will start becoming believers when the elementary opens in 2106. The sports park opening in 2016 should be pretty nice as well.

How are schools measured now? Are APi scores still used? I don't think tusd switched to common core so assuming they still use API scores?

Problem with USD is all about perception.  If people think your USD is good, the reputation will stay.  Beckham is great school but it's not a coincidence that peopel were fighting to getting into the IUSD part of Orchard Hills.

I haven't looked it up but I am pretty sure TUSD is using common core...it's a state standard issue.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on June 02, 2015, 09:48:52 AM
I get a feeling in the long run Tustin is going to be a good buy and the schools will improve. So far you get more for your money, but thats because of obvious reasons, however, with the influx of money, comes (assuming) and influx of higher educated residents (paying $1.3M+) with more resources and and greater ambitions which (again this is just my theory) will trickle down to the kids that will flood the tustin school system. This should increase the values of the surrounding homes in Tustin (as the schools transform and become more like the beckman, peters canyon, hicks canyon, pioneer middle, OH middle).

I don't disagree in theory.  But there's only 100 (?) $1.3M+ homes and even if you include all the $1M+ homes in Greenwood, it's only a couple hundred.  Of those, who knows how many will be bought by FCB investors that will either leave the home empty or rent it out. So you really don't have the mass to "flood the school system". Eventually, it may become Beckman/Hicks/Pioneer/OH 5-8 but I don't think that time is close.  So the question becomes, do you roll the dice, buy now at "value" prices and hope that in 5-10 years, it's awesome?  And in the meanwhile, if you have middle school/HS aged kids, you have to either send them to Tustin High or fight your way into Beckman with all these new Groves residents' kids.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 02, 2015, 09:50:47 AM
I get a feeling in the long run Tustin is going to be a good buy and the schools will improve. So far you get more for your money, but thats because of obvious reasons, however, with the influx of money, comes (assuming) and influx of higher educated residents (paying $1.3M+) with more resources and and greater ambitions which (again this is just my theory) will trickle down to the kids that will flood the tustin school system. This should increase the values of the surrounding homes in Tustin (as the schools transform and become more like the beckman, peters canyon, hicks canyon, pioneer middle, OH middle).

I don't disagree in theory.  But there's only 100 (?) $1.3M+ homes and even if you include all the $1M+ homes in Greenwood, it's only a couple hundred.  Of those, who knows how many will be bought by FCB investors that will either leave the home empty or rent it out.  Eventually, it may become Beckman/Hicks/Pioneer/OH 5-8 but I don't think that time is close.  So the question becomes, do you roll the dice, buy now at "value" prices and hope that in 5-10 years, it's awesome?  And in the meanwhile, if you have middle school/HS aged kids, you have to either send them to Tustin High or fight your way into Beckman with all these new Groves residents' kids.

The other problem with a district like TUSD and SVUSD is that you can have a few good schools but the district as a whole will not be "great".   Thus, unless you have a Oxford Academy or Whitney High, it is hard to sell TUSD over IUSD.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvine Fanatic on June 02, 2015, 10:01:12 AM
@ Irvinecommuter - I don't think TUSD will ever trump IUSD, but I do feel like its reputation will significantly improve. Heres another factor I forgot to mention, I have noticed alot of the apartments on Redhill/Tustin Ave have revamped and increased rent due to rising demand. This has started to change the demographics that feed into the Currie, Veeh, & Tustin High. Just the other day, I actually saw a white guy jogging on redhill and walnut ave and doing push up on the side walk, GENTRIFICATION! LOL :)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on June 02, 2015, 10:02:08 AM
I get a feeling in the long run Tustin is going to be a good buy and the schools will improve. So far you get more for your money, but thats because of obvious reasons, however, with the influx of money, comes (assuming) and influx of higher educated residents (paying $1.3M+) with more resources and and greater ambitions which (again this is just my theory) will trickle down to the kids that will flood the tustin school system. This should increase the values of the surrounding homes in Tustin (as the schools transform and become more like the beckman, peters canyon, hicks canyon, pioneer middle, OH middle).

I don't disagree in theory.  But there's only 100 (?) $1.3M+ homes and even if you include all the $1M+ homes in Greenwood, it's only a couple hundred.  Of those, who knows how many will be bought by FCB investors that will either leave the home empty or rent it out.  Eventually, it may become Beckman/Hicks/Pioneer/OH 5-8 but I don't think that time is close.  So the question becomes, do you roll the dice, buy now at "value" prices and hope that in 5-10 years, it's awesome?  And in the meanwhile, if you have middle school/HS aged kids, you have to either send them to Tustin High or fight your way into Beckman with all these new Groves residents' kids.

The other problem with a district like TUSD and SVUSD is that you can have a few good schools but the district as a whole will not be "great".   Thus, unless you have a Oxford Academy or Whitney High, it is hard to sell TUSD over IUSD.

Yup - think long term when you are about to sell.
So on Redfin there's a feature that gives the assigned school ratings. The potential buyer might be turned off, yo.  :o
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on June 02, 2015, 10:03:54 AM
@ Irvinecommuter - I don't think TUSD will ever trump IUSD, but I do feel like its reputation will significantly improve. Heres another factor I forgot to mention, I have noticed alot of the apartments on Redhill/Tustin Ave have revamped and increased rent due to rising demand. This has started to change the demographics that feed into the Currie, Veeh, & Tustin High. Just the other day, I actually saw a white guy jogging on redhill and walnut ave and doing push up on the side walk, GENTRIFICATION! LOL :)

Beckman HS is a gem. The rest in TUSD is trash. (Just kidding)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 02, 2015, 10:17:08 AM
So the question becomes, do you roll the dice, buy now at "value" prices and hope that in 5-10 years, it's awesome?  And in the meanwhile, if you have middle school/HS aged kids, you have to either send them to Tustin High or fight your way into Beckman with all these new Groves residents' kids.

I agree, we bought in 2102 because we were having a kid and wanted more space, the price was great, the floor plan was great and the location for us was great (freeway access for commute, district, marketplace etc). Schools were not an issue for us, and as it turns out, the elementary school is supposed to open in 2016, which im guessing should be pretty good for the reasons OCtroll mentioned, so that buys me another 6 years of school + 3 years of before she even goes to Kinder, so middle school for me isnt an issue for another 9 years. And if the magnet 6-12 school sucks then ill just do private school. No sweat off my back.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on June 02, 2015, 10:19:37 AM
So the question becomes, do you roll the dice, buy now at "value" prices and hope that in 5-10 years, it's awesome?  And in the meanwhile, if you have middle school/HS aged kids, you have to either send them to Tustin High or fight your way into Beckman with all these new Groves residents' kids.

I agree, we bought in 2102 because we were having a kid and wanted more space, the price was great, the floor plan was great and the location for us was great (freeway access for commute, district, marketplace etc). Schools were not an issue for us, and as it turns out, the elementary school is supposed to open in 2016, which im guessing should be pretty good for the reasons OCtroll mentioned, so that buys me another 6 years of school + 3 years of before she even goes to Kinder, so middle school for me isnt an issue for another 9 years. And if the magnet 6-12 school sucks then ill just do private school. No sweat off my back.

bc you're a 1%-er.  And let's be honest, you'll be long gone to SD by the time 9 years rolls around....
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 02, 2015, 10:35:16 AM
And let's be honest, you'll be long gone to SD by the time 9 years rolls around....

yeah your probably right :-)

i think the earliest is 5 years but in 9 years nothing but beaches and tacos!
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: joy4ever on June 03, 2015, 09:54:32 AM
They called.  The only plan 2 in phase 1 was the first one sold.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Harajuku on June 03, 2015, 10:49:59 AM
3 out of 6 sold
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: A S on June 03, 2015, 05:23:57 PM
They called.  The only plan 2 in phase 1 was the first one sold.

Stafford Plan 2 was my favorite within Greenwood.  While the second floor of Plan 1 had a nice layout and HUGE bonus room, the first floor entrance seemed tight for a $1.3M+ house.  You have to walk through this narrow hallway until the you reach the great room, but then it really opens up.  Interested to see who will be buying these home.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: deedardee on June 03, 2015, 06:00:39 PM
They called.  The only plan 2 in phase 1 was the first one sold.

Plan 2 is also my favorite.  Curious to see when phase 2 will be released ...
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on June 03, 2015, 06:03:37 PM
The sales person from Stafford sold us our current house 17 years ago (and he remembered us and our last name! even though we have not seen him since we bought our house). I talked to him about what he thought would be projected phasing and he said they hope to release the next three phases quickly if they sell well with the first four phases having move in dates by year end.

So...... I would anticipate they will quickly release the next phase.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 03, 2015, 06:13:00 PM
Ready2downsize - so u pulling the trigger on greenwood?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on June 03, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
Maybe if they call me.

I don't need the schools. Train wasn't noticeable (maybe it just never went by when I was there), didn't see any jets overhead.

I ONLY want the plan one (the other two are wonderful as well as Crawford) but I only will move for a master plus one additional bedroom AND laundry room downstairs.

I have been trying to convince myself Sheldon is big enough for us and overlook the negatives but the plan two is half the sq footage and half the garage of what I have been living in. Still...................... renting out my house with the payments on a Sheldon would be a really nice income.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Irvine Dream on June 03, 2015, 06:29:48 PM
Maybe if they call me.

I don't need the schools. Train wasn't noticeable (maybe it just never went by when I was there), didn't see any jets overhead.

I ONLY want the plan one (the other two are wonderful as well as Crawford) but I only will move for a master plus one additional bedroom AND laundry room downstairs.

I have been trying to convince myself Sheldon is big enough for us and overlook the negatives but the plan two is half the sq footage and half the garage of what I have been living in. Still...................... renting out my house with the payments on a Sheldon would be a really nice income.
Stafford Plan 1 both lots were available as of  4 PM today
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on June 03, 2015, 06:37:44 PM
Maybe if they call me.

I don't need the schools. Train wasn't noticeable (maybe it just never went by when I was there), didn't see any jets overhead.

I ONLY want the plan one (the other two are wonderful as well as Crawford) but I only will move for a master plus one additional bedroom AND laundry room downstairs.

I have been trying to convince myself Sheldon is big enough for us and overlook the negatives but the plan two is half the sq footage and half the garage of what I have been living in. Still...................... renting out my house with the payments on a Sheldon would be a really nice income.
Stafford Plan 1 both lots were available as of  4 PM today

Hmmmm...... guess I'll have to call and make sure they got my info. Maybe would have helped if I turned it in early but I waited until after I saw the model so they can't get out of the broker co-op.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: lnc on June 03, 2015, 07:21:56 PM
Visit the model this morning.  Standard Pacific really did a great job with this one.  I really like the overall square dimension of these homes vs the narrow & deep shape of many large home now a days.  The frontal impression of these home are quite grand and all 3 models are all very nicely done.

The access to the garage was locked and didn't have a chance to ask the sales but I was wondering if you can fit a small 3rd car in the plan 2 or plan 3's garage with that extra storage space.  Hmmm.....

Should've bring USCT alone just in case.  :(




 
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: joy4ever on June 03, 2015, 07:37:23 PM
Visit the model this morning.  Standard Pacific really did a great job with this one.  I really like the overall square dimension of these homes vs the narrow & deep shape of many large home now a days.  The frontal impression of these home are quite grand and all 3 models are all very nicely done.

The access to the garage was locked and didn't have a chance to ask the sales but I was wondering if you can fit a small 3rd car in the plan 2 or plan 3's garage with that extra storage space.  Hmmm.....

Should've bring USCT alone just in case.  :(




 

You won't see the storage space in the models because they have been converted to guest suites.  But I asked them about plan 2's garage size.  The garage itself is about 23'6" long and the storage area is about 12' 5 1/2" long.  So you can probably fit 2 small cars on that side but definitely not 2 SUVs.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: joy4ever on June 04, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
As of 2pm today, lot 351 (plan 3) is still available.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on June 04, 2015, 03:31:39 PM
As of 2pm today, lot 351 (plan 3) is still available.

#IHOammo
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 08, 2015, 02:15:26 PM
Stafford Phase 2 to be released this saturday

(http://i57.tinypic.com/24o5btk.jpg)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on June 08, 2015, 02:19:58 PM
Stafford Phase 2 to be released this saturday

(http://i57.tinypic.com/24o5btk.jpg)

Reminds me of HC thread.

I have to ask, do you work for Stan PAC? Lol jk
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 08, 2015, 02:23:30 PM
would a stanpac employee post naked parts of their body online? :-)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: happytales on June 08, 2015, 03:57:43 PM
Stafford Phase 2 to be released this saturday

(http://i57.tinypic.com/24o5btk.jpg)

Interesting! Some of these are cheaper than Phase 1. Is that normal?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 08, 2015, 04:17:13 PM
i havent had time to look at both time sheets, was going to tonite. either they got a reality check or there are some lot premiums/discounts from one phase to the next or perhaps structural items or combo of all of them.

i think someone had asked - the conversion of the garage space into the guest suite costs about 30K.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on June 08, 2015, 06:03:34 PM
Same thing happened in Hawthorn. New phases were sometimes cheaper depending on lot size and location. One of those plan 1's looks like it has a tiny backyard.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: estrader on June 09, 2015, 01:08:54 AM
So I'm looking at the second release, Stinson 3xcr.  I saw the 3xc in the brochure, the C stands for cottage right? Or is it craftsman bungalow?  If that is the case, what's the "R" mean because there are also 3xc's.

Also if it's the craftsman bungalow I noticed that there isn't a balcony. Is this an add on for all models?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: joy4ever on June 09, 2015, 08:18:59 AM
So I'm looking at the second release, Stinson 3xcr.  I saw the 3xc in the brochure, the C stands for cottage right? Or is it craftsman bungalow?  If that is the case, what's the "R" mean because there are also 3xc's.

Also if it's the craftsman bungalow I noticed that there isn't a balcony. Is this an add on for all models?

R means Reverse.  So the layout of the house is not exactly the same as shown in the brochure but a mirror image (A kitchen on the right in the floor plan will be on the left in the 'R' ones, etc.).

C stands for Cottage.  The balcony is part of the elevation design.  Elevation B (Monterey) is the only one that has a balcony.  So if you want the balcony, you'll have to choose 3B or 3BR.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: joy4ever on June 09, 2015, 09:29:19 AM
The only 2 comparable lots between phase 1 and 2 are lot #351 (phase 1) and #355 (phase 2).  Both are plan 3, similar location, similar lot size, same pre-plotted upgrades.  Lot 351 was $1,225,900 and lot 355 is $1,241,900.  The only difference is the elevation (Adobe Ranch for lot 351 vs Cottage for 355).  Does that mean prices have gone up $16K?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Perspective on June 09, 2015, 09:38:45 AM
i havent had time to look at both time sheets, was going to tonite. either they got a reality check or there are some lot premiums/discounts from one phase to the next or perhaps structural items or combo of all of them.

i think someone had asked - the conversion of the garage space into the guest suite costs about 30K.

There are two conversions here, no? You can convert the garage storage space to a game room with fancy doors to the courtyard (we're not calling this a backyard, are we?). That might cost $10K+? Then there's the conversion adding a guest suite on top of this space. That might cost $30K+? So, total, for that section of the house alone to match the model's structure, might be $40K+?

Add the appliances, counters, flooring, etc. as modeled, and we're at least above $50K just to get this small corner of the house to match the model?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on June 09, 2015, 09:42:14 AM
What are the lot sizes?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 09, 2015, 09:52:00 AM
i havent had time to look at both time sheets, was going to tonite. either they got a reality check or there are some lot premiums/discounts from one phase to the next or perhaps structural items or combo of all of them.

i think someone had asked - the conversion of the garage space into the guest suite costs about 30K.

There are two conversions here, no? You can convert the garage storage space to a game room with fancy doors to the courtyard (we're not calling this a backyard, are we?). That might cost $10K+? Then there's the conversion adding a guest suite on top of this space. That might cost $30K+? So, total, for that section of the house alone to match the model's structure, might be $40K+?

Add the appliances, counters, flooring, etc. as modeled, and we're at least above $50K just to get this small corner of the house to match the model?

you are confusing this with crawford. stafford only has the storage garage conversion into guest suite. crawford has the third car sideways storage garage that can be converted into bonus/game room and the guest suite goes above the storage garage/game room.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Perspective on June 09, 2015, 09:54:48 AM
What are the lot sizes?

Here's a site plan. I was mistaken in my comment above. These aren't rear-access garages like some at Greenwood. There are some big lots available, despite the massive footprint of the homes.

http://www.standardpacifichomes.com/new-homes/southern-california/orange-county/stafford-at-greenwood.aspx
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: joy4ever on June 09, 2015, 09:55:10 AM
What are the lot sizes?

Not sure.  I was told lot 351 is a little over 6100 sqft.  Lot 351 and 355 look similar from the map.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on June 09, 2015, 10:10:41 AM
The maps aren't a good representation according to Kurt (salesman at Stafford).

Phase one looks like it's partially in front of the road that goes into the Crawford homes. If it is, probably priced a little lower than the phase two home.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: joy4ever on June 09, 2015, 12:22:34 PM
Lot 355 is 5932 sqft which is smaller than lot 351 (6152? sqft or close) but $16K more expensive with same pre-plotted upgrades.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Perspective on June 09, 2015, 03:01:12 PM
Lot 355 is 5932 sqft which is smaller than lot 351 (6152? sqft or close) but $16K more expensive with same pre-plotted upgrades.

Maybe the bigger, less expensive lot has views of the hangar, apartments, or 40' wall?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Perspective on June 09, 2015, 03:06:37 PM
There's a lot of "stuff" you'd prefer not to see while sitting in your $1.3M+ house, and stuff you'd prefer not to see driving to and from your $1.3M house. Greenwood includes a lot of this "stuff."
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on June 11, 2015, 06:23:19 PM
Stafford Phase 2 to be released this saturday

(http://i57.tinypic.com/24o5btk.jpg)

Silly me, put in the same SSN for both me and the hubby and Stan Pac couldn't finish the prequalify. Got a call and yup we qualify. Not sure this is a good thing as I didn't submit my financials online until nearly midnite on 5/31 and they seemed to want to make sure we're coming on Saturday.

Maybe they can't sell the downstairs master homes in which case I might want to hold off and see if I can get any incentives when rates rise.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Perspective on June 11, 2015, 06:43:00 PM
Have you run the numbers? At these price points, the household income should be well above $200K (absent very large downpayments) which places the prospective homeowners well into a marginal 37%+ marginal rate (CA + Fed).

So, on a $1M mortgage, every eighth rise in mortgage rates equals roughly a less than $50 rise in payment. Rates must rise significantly to affect prospective buyers of $1M+ homes.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 13, 2015, 01:21:13 PM
Got a call today for Stafford. Out of 8 homes they have a plan one left, lot 288. Told them we wanted plan 2 on lot 275, that's a nice big lot and good location within greenwood. This is one of the few lots we would have considered.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: eyephone on June 13, 2015, 01:28:55 PM
Got a call today for Stafford. Out of 8 homes they have a plan one left, lot 288. Told them we wanted plan 2 on lot 275, that's a nice big lot and good location within greenwood. This is one of the few lots we would have considered.

Just curious why would you move 5 minutes away? Also, wouldn't be more MR?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: gasman on June 13, 2015, 01:51:57 PM
Just curious why would you move 5 minutes away? Also, wouldn't be more MR?

Qwerty's a ballah.  Nuff said. :)
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 13, 2015, 01:59:44 PM
Got a call today for Stafford. Out of 8 homes they have a plan one left, lot 288. Told them we wanted plan 2 on lot 275, that's a nice big lot and good location within greenwood. This is one of the few lots we would have considered.

Just curious why would you move 5 minutes away? Also, wouldn't be more MR?


I don't want to. I lose the 3 car garage, I prefer 3 car wide with no driveway vs 2 car and driveway. She loves the layout downstairs with the seaprate dining room (which we have now) and guest suite (we have a downstairs bedroom with its own bath) and office downstairs (this is an extra room we we don't have now). The upstairs loft with the deck is pretty awesome. But I don't think it's worth it to get an extra room downstairs and deck. We have a loft buts it's not as big and no deck. I do like the fact that it will feel less crammed than CS. But to me it is still not worth it for one extra room and a deck. With that said I would have done lot 275 cause it has one of the bigger back yards and no neighbor on one side
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on June 13, 2015, 02:12:31 PM
Got a call today for Stafford. Out of 8 homes they have a plan one left, lot 288. Told them we wanted plan 2 on lot 275, that's a nice big lot and good location within greenwood. This is one of the few lots we would have considered.

Just curious why would you move 5 minutes away? Also, wouldn't be more MR?


I don't want to. I lose the 3 car garage, I prefer 3 car wide with no driveway vs 2 car and driveway. She loves the layout downstairs with the seaprate dining room (which we have now) and guest suite (we have a downstairs bedroom with its own bath) and office downstairs (this is an extra room we we don't have now). The upstairs loft with the deck is pretty awesome. But I don't think it's worth it to get an extra room downstairs and deck. We have a loft buts it's not as big and no deck. I do like the fact that it will feel less crammed than CS. But to me it is still not worth it for one extra room and a deck. With that said I would have done lot 275 cause it has one of the bigger back yards and no neighbor on one side


So is 275 sold?  I'm shocked you didn't get it given all your rah rah greenwood cheerleading these last few months. The injustice of it!
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 13, 2015, 02:19:06 PM
Seriously right? I should have gotten some preference :-(

Yes lot 275 was sold.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 13, 2015, 02:26:35 PM
I lose the 3 car garage, I prefer 3 car wide with no driveway vs 2 car and driveway.
Isn't there a Crawford with the 3CWG *and* a driveway?
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 13, 2015, 02:42:07 PM
I lose the 3 car garage, I prefer 3 car wide with no driveway vs 2 car and driveway.
Isn't there a Crawford with the 3CWG *and* a driveway?

She didn't like Crawford as much. I'd have to look at the site map. There are various 2 car garage with a driveway and storage garage. But not sure there are 3 wide with driveway
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on June 13, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
For those who have been to Standard Pac homes, do you think the white paneled walls are particle board slats over smooth drywall painted white? At first I thought the walls had wood installed over the drywall but the more I looked at them, the more I thought...... hmmm.... so tricky they did this using smooth drywall instead of texturing it.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: qwerty on June 13, 2015, 10:40:19 PM
For those who have been to Standard Pac homes, do you think the white paneled walls are particle board slats over smooth drywall painted white? At first I thought the walls had wood installed over the drywall but the more I looked at them, the more I thought...... hmmm.... so tricky they did this using smooth drywall instead of texturing it.

We just had someone out here about a month ago to do some paneling on our entry wall and dining room. He said the cheaper way was to smooth out the drywall (no particle board would be used) and then put the pieces of wood on (we wanted squares all over the wall). Cost was around 1200 and did not include painting/paint. He said most people opt for the smoothing of the drywall cause it's cheaper. So if it's cheaper you know that is probably the way the builder did it.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Ready2Downsize on June 13, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
For those who have been to Standard Pac homes, do you think the white paneled walls are particle board slats over smooth drywall painted white? At first I thought the walls had wood installed over the drywall but the more I looked at them, the more I thought...... hmmm.... so tricky they did this using smooth drywall instead of texturing it.

We just had someone out here about a month ago to do some paneling on our entry wall and dining room. He said the cheaper way was to smooth out the drywall (no particle board would be used) and then put the pieces of wood on (we wanted squares all over the wall). Cost was around 1200 and did not include painting/paint. He said most people opt for the smoothing of the drywall cause it's cheaper. So if it's cheaper you know that is probably the way the builder did it.

Even cheaper for the builder since they don't have to smooth the drywall.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: Harajuku on July 13, 2015, 04:17:38 PM
Phase 4 pricing:
Homesite 271 - Plan 1ER               $1,272,900
Homesite 273 - Plan 1A                $1,322,900
Homesite 285 - Plan 1AR                $1,269,900
Homesite 279 - Plan 2CR                $1,219,900
Homesite 284- Plan 2E                $1,246,900
Homesite 272 - Plan 3BR        $1,245,900
Homesite 280 - Plan 3D                $1,269,900
Homesite 287 - Plan 3DR                $1,291,900
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: joy4ever on July 13, 2015, 08:25:41 PM
Lot 287 was from phase 3.  Looks like they didn't sell out their last phase.
Title: Re: Stafford at Greenwood - FLOORPLANS OUT
Post by: bones on August 09, 2015, 09:39:22 PM
Phase 4 pricing:
Homesite 271 - Plan 1ER               $1,272,900
Homesite 273 - Plan 1A                $1,322,900
Homesite 285 - Plan 1AR                $1,269,900
Homesite 279 - Plan 2CR                $1,219,900
Homesite 284- Plan 2E                $1,246,900
Homesite 272 - Plan 3BR        $1,245,900
Homesite 280 - Plan 3D                $1,269,900
Homesite 287 - Plan 3DR                $1,291,900


Homesite 335 - Plan 1G $1,328,900
Homesite 333 - Plan 2BR $1,368,900
Homesite 334 - Plan 2ER $1,267,900
Homesite 332 - Plan 3C $1,411,900
Homesite 336 - Plan 3D $1,301,900

Really liked the Plan 1 here - even the downstairs master.  Overall, the mud/launch areas can be done better in these homes.  Esp the plan 3 - it's 4000 sf without a real mud area & straight into the great room. 
Title: Re: Rosemont at Beacon Park (From the Low $1,000,000s)
Post by: aquabliss on August 09, 2015, 10:05:38 PM
Is this Stafford or Rosemont thread?  So confusing.
Title: Re: Rosemont at Beacon Park (From the Low $1,000,000s)
Post by: happytales on August 10, 2015, 12:07:27 AM
Is this Stafford or Rosemont thread?  So confusing.

Very weird..some kind of bug? Thread title now says Rosemont but all previous posts are Stafford?
Title: Re: Rosemont at Beacon Park (From the Low $1,000,000s)
Post by: aquabliss on August 10, 2015, 08:02:56 AM
We should just re-title it Staffmont or Roseford.
Title: Re: Rosemont at Beacon Park (From the Low $1,000,000s)
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 10, 2015, 08:18:55 AM
Very weird..some kind of bug? Thread title now says Rosemont but all previous posts are Stafford?
This is part of the TLONL Vengeance Initiative.

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