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Title: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 12:51:57 PM
Lakers trade with Houston: Jermey Lin and first round draft pick to Lakers for overseas and cash.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paperboyNC on July 11, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
What is the current Lakers roster and 2014-15 salary of each player? What prospects do they have (middle level exemption, etc.) to better their roster?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 11, 2014, 01:46:09 PM
Let's just say.. they don't even have enough to run a pick up game.  lol  okay they can. but adding Lin doesn't really help.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

I don't think they have much to do this year.  They need to suck again to draft another decent player.  Then go after a big name like Durant next year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paperboyNC on July 11, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Let's just say.. they don't even have enough to run a pick up game.  lol  okay they can. but adding Lin doesn't really help.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

I don't think they have much to do this year.  They need to suck again to draft another decent player.  Then go after a big name like Durant next year.

So two of their four players are Nash & Marshall - Point Guards so they hurried up and got another PG :) They really did clear cap space for this season and it looks like they won't get a single good free agent.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 02:43:14 PM
I can tell you this, Lin is not the ANSWER.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 02:46:27 PM
Just of the press: Nick young resigns with Lakers
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 11, 2014, 02:52:12 PM
Swaggy P saves us all!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 11, 2014, 02:53:32 PM
We didn't get Melo or Bron... let's sign the next best thing. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 03:09:04 PM
I feel better now! Nick Young is fun to watch.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 11, 2014, 03:21:58 PM
At least we can see more Shaqtin a fool
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 03:25:06 PM
At least we can see more Shaqtin a fool

Lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 03:27:06 PM
Breaking News: Jordan Hill will signs with the Lakers
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paperboyNC on July 11, 2014, 03:30:32 PM
I feel better now! Nick Young is fun to watch.

He doesn't seem like a good complement to Kobe though. Both like to hog the ball and shoot a lot of tough shots.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 11, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ClxaTlxT_Eg

This will be the new all things Jeremy Lin thread
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 03:40:15 PM
$9 million a year for Hill (too high)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 03:46:26 PM
Rumor is: Gasol turned down the Lakers offer for $10 mil
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 03:48:10 PM
I guess the Lakers are out of the Melo chase.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 11, 2014, 03:50:14 PM
Only $1m more than Hill... I would turn it down too.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 11, 2014, 03:50:39 PM
I guess the Lakers are out of the Melo chase.
Probably never in it.

Who wants to play with Kobe?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 11, 2014, 03:55:32 PM
Looks like they are doing the same thing they did last year, except instead of 1-year contracts, 2+-year contracts for mediocre players until they can clear out Kobe in 2016.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 11, 2014, 05:32:14 PM
Just heard max kellerman on 710 say Lin can become a star in LA. I told u guys the homers were going to overrate Lin. I think they say shit like that on purpose to get listeners all riled up and have them listen longer or call in
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 11, 2014, 06:47:12 PM
I was listening to the same thing.

He was even saying Lin was a *super* star in NY... whatever.

I'll let ps9 draft him in our Fantasy League this year. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 07:36:00 PM
Kent B. is going to Atlanta - 2 years $4 mil.

He is okay not worth 2 mil.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2014, 07:52:52 PM
Rumor is: Gasol turned down the Lakers offer for $10 mil
It gets better: Gasol turned the Lakers down 2 years $23 mil or 3 years $29 mil.
Gasol turned down Atlanta $11 mil a year offer.

Who does Gasol think he is? He will have to take a lower salary to play with the Spurs/Knicks/OKC/Bulls. (guessing around only 5-7 mil a year. Oh Well, it's only money.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 11, 2014, 07:55:58 PM
Well he has made 156.6 million in his career already. Guessing money isn't his main priority anymore
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on July 12, 2014, 12:00:11 AM
Just heard max kellerman on 710 say Lin can become a star in LA. I told u guys the homers were going to overrate Lin. I think they say shit like that on purpose to get listeners all riled up and have them listen longer or call in
Those guys are the biggest damn homers on 710...gets annoying.  Started with their ass kissing of Kobe before his short comeback after his first injury referring to him as "him" like he is a god or something.  Lakers are idiots for giving him all that money, could have had him for 1/3-1/2 off that amount. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 12, 2014, 12:13:55 AM
I was listening to the same thing.

He was even saying Lin was a *super* star in NY... whatever.

I'll let ps9 draft him in our Fantasy League this year. :)

No, you'll probably draft Lin and then trade him to me for my #1 pick and I'll gladly do it... :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 12, 2014, 08:45:07 AM
I'm glad Melo won't be a Laker. He's worse than Kobe when it comes to ISO ball.

IT2 might be going to Phoenix so there goes that... maybe they should make a run at Deng or another big since it doesn't look like Pau is staying.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2014, 11:29:01 AM
Rumor: Lakers and Bulls working on a sign and trade deal for Gasol. Lakers would get Mike Dunleavy and non guarantee contracts. Bulls would receive Gasol.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 12, 2014, 11:34:34 AM
I like that trade. If Pau won't be happy in LA, better to get something for him than nothing.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 12, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
I like that trade. If Pau won't be happy in LA, better to get something for him than nothing.

in this case it might be better to get nothing.  first an asian on the lakers, and now they want to add a white guy?  good luck this season.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 12, 2014, 01:41:49 PM
Lakers can use some diversity on the roster, worked for Spurs. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 12, 2014, 02:06:55 PM
Lakers can use some diversity on the roster, worked for Spurs. 

You must be the biggest laker homer.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 12, 2014, 02:47:06 PM
xcv
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
It looks like, the Lakers will get nothing for Gasol.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 13, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Yep... Gasol to Bulls and I think for the same amount of money that the Lakers offered.

So instead of attracting good free agents, they've repelled them.

#KobeCurse
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 13, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
Yep... Gasol to Bulls and I think for the same amount of money that the Lakers offered.

So instead of attracting good free agents, they've repelled them.

#KobeCurse
Also - you have to blame Lakers management. They traded for Lin. Signed Hill for $9 mil. No head coach.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 13, 2014, 02:58:15 PM
And let Phil go to NY instead of signing him back when they hired NO D'antoni.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 13, 2014, 10:49:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsc-9BzCEAAtwc-.jpg)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 13, 2014, 11:17:57 PM
i wonder if that gets to kobe, it has too.  it is even worse than being picked last on a team, he didnt even get picked.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paperboyNC on July 14, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
i wonder if that gets to kobe, it has too.  it is even worse than being picked last on a team, he didnt even get picked.

Rings

Kobe: 5
Dwight: 0
Pau: 2
Lebron: 2
Carmelo: 0
Chris P: 0

I wouldn't say Kobe never got picked. He good have failed at forcing Charlotte to trade him and have 0 rings to this day.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 14, 2014, 10:21:29 AM
So basically Lakers will be rebuilding for 2 or 3 more years.

Maybe when Kobe's contract expires, CP3 will move across the hall (actually not until 2017) and LBJ will want to live the Hollywood life after being home for 3 years.

It's sad that Purple&Gold's ability to attract free agents isn't what it used to be.

Seriously, if they hired Phil over D'Antoni, Dwight may have stayed and they would have been able to sign other free agents. Instead we get Linjury, Swaggy P-Shooter, Dreadlocks, OldManNash and Kobchilles. With Pau gone... who is going to wear the big boy pants at center? Sacre?

I think as it stands, the starting 5 is:

Lin PG
Kobe SG
Swaggy SF
Randle PF
Hill C

Looks like a lottery lineup to me.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 14, 2014, 10:53:34 AM
Trading for Nash was a big mistake. Even if he didn't get injured.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 14, 2014, 11:02:05 AM
Laker's problem is they are so lacking in assets such as young talent and draft picks, while a 36 year old Kobe is coming off two major injuries with cap killing salary of 20+ million.

lost Dwight for nothing; lost Gasol for nothing; mortgaged the future for Nash who is all but broken down.

Because of lack of picks and Kobe's contract, the best thing front office can do now is to make business/financial moves, not basketball moves.

With Kobe and Lin, the ticket and jersey sales will be healthy; at least the Buss family can pocket pretty handsomely.

For Lakers to come back, it will take at least 3-5 years before they can replenish their young talent pool.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paperboyNC on July 14, 2014, 11:09:17 AM
Laker's problem is they are so lacking in assets such as young talent and draft picks, while a 36 year old Kobe is coming off two major injuries with cap killing salary of 20+ million.

lost Dwight for nothing; lost Gasol for nothing; mortgaged the future for Nash who is all but broken down.

Because of lack of picks and Kobe's contract, the best thing front office can do now is to make business/financial moves, not basketball moves.

With Kobe and Lin, the ticket and jersey sales will be healthy; at least the Buss family can pocket pretty handsomely.

For Lakers to come back, it will take at least 3-5 years before they can replenish their young talent pool.

True. Ultimately each team can only play 5 guys at a time so there is a chance that the Lakers will make the playoffs especially if Kobe can stay healthy.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 14, 2014, 11:16:45 AM
the lakers are not making the playoffs. ill be surprised if kobe plays 60 games. even if he plays 82, they still arent making the playoffs, who do they knockout?

1 - spurs
2 - thunder
3 - clippers
4 - rockets
5 - warriors
6 - portland
7  - dallas
8 - memphis

the suns were over .500 and the Twolves were almost .500
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 14, 2014, 11:25:10 AM
If Lakers move to the East they can make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paperboyNC on July 14, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
the lakers are not making the playoffs. ill be surprised if kobe plays 60 games. even if he plays 82, they still arent making the playoffs, who do they knockout?

1 - spurs
2 - thunder
3 - clippers
4 - rockets
5 - warriors
6 - portland
7  - dallas
8 - memphis

the suns were over .500 and the Twolves were almost .500

Has Kobe every missed the playoffs when he's played 60+ games?

Surprise teams make the playoffs every season. Any of the above teams could have a star player get injured. Every team is getting older and almost every team has changed their starting line-up.

If sports were so predictable, why even play the games? When the Angels signed Pujols everyone thought they'd be awesome and so far they haven't even made the playoffs. It looks like they'll finally turn it around this season.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 14, 2014, 11:33:00 AM
the lakers are not making the playoffs. ill be surprised if kobe plays 60 games. even if he plays 82, they still arent making the playoffs, who do they knockout?

1 - spurs
2 - thunder
3 - clippers
4 - rockets
5 - warriors
6 - portland
7  - dallas
8 - memphis

the suns were over .500 and the Twolves were almost .500

Has Kobe every missed the playoffs when he's played 60+ games?

Surprise teams make the playoffs every season. Any of the above teams could have a star player get injured. Every team is getting older and almost every team has changed their starting line-up.

If sports were so predictable, why even play the games? When the Angels signed Pujols everyone thought they'd be awesome and so far they haven't even made the playoffs. It looks like they'll finally turn it around this season.

kobe has missed the playoffs.  and i thought the angels were idiots for giving pujols that deal. you were in the minority thinking they would be awesome. at best they would 3 good years, they havent even gotten that. 

just say this out loud, Kobe, Lin, Hill, swaggy p,  - no bench, not making playoffs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 14, 2014, 11:42:36 AM
2004-2005 Kobe played more than 60 games and did not get to playoffs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paperboyNC on July 14, 2014, 01:01:12 PM
2004-2005 Kobe played more than 60 games and did not get to playoffs.

Thanks
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 14, 2014, 01:23:17 PM
It could be worse for Greater LA NBA fans... at least we have another team that will actually make the playoffs.

#RepLAC
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2014, 08:53:43 AM
Hearing about how Duncan and Dirk are taking smaller contracts just irritates me about Kobe.

One of the reasons why LBJ doesn't take max money is because he knows that he makes much more outside the NBA. And so does Kobe... so why does Kobe think he should get paid so much and make it hard on the team's payroll? He makes probably more than most other NBA players (or even other sports) with outside endorsements so why not give the Lakers a break in their salary cap to recruit more talent?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 16, 2014, 09:08:33 AM
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Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 16, 2014, 09:14:54 AM
Why is it the players responsibility to take less money?  If the owners cared about winning then they should remove the salary cap. It appears the owners, most of whom are billionaires and have other businesses outside of the nba, care more about making money. Sterling just got $2B, Phil Jackson makes $12m/year. Why don't the owners and management take less, remove the cap and try to win. Let the market set the payrolls.

Would you take less money at your job now so your coworker can make more?  Or for management  to make more money? Doubt it. The players have 8-12 years if park earnings years. They need to maximize those earnings not concern themselves with what fans think about them crippling salary caps. Go complain to the owners to loosen the purse strings.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 16, 2014, 09:15:55 AM
Wow, we really are two peas in a pod. Was essentially typing the same comment.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ob1 on July 16, 2014, 09:20:13 AM
Hearing about how Duncan and Dirk are taking smaller contracts just irritates me about Kobe.

One of the reasons why LBJ doesn't take max money is because he knows that he makes much more outside the NBA. And so does Kobe... so why does Kobe think he should get paid so much and make it hard on the team's payroll? He makes probably more than most other NBA players (or even other sports) with outside endorsements so why not give the Lakers a break in their salary cap to recruit more talent?

But why should the onerous be on the players to "take less"? The owners are raking it in.  Plus sterling just for two billion for the clippers. And a new tv deal is coming up. The owners should step it up and stop raping the players union.  The players only have a limited window to make money so in this fight of millionaires versus billionaires, imma side with the underdogs. Plus Kobe has like 10 houses. 3 in one neighborhood alone. How much do you think it costs to upgrade his cabinets and flooring?

I think you meant "onus." 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 16, 2014, 09:22:02 AM
Or maybe anus?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2014, 09:26:51 AM
It's lakers management that needs to be looked at. They have been making bad decisions.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2014, 10:01:33 AM
Why is it the players responsibility to take less money?  If the owners cared about winning then they should remove the salary cap. It appears the owners, most of whom are billionaires and have other businesses outside of the nba, care more about making money. Sterling just got $2B, Phil Jackson makes $12m/year. Why don't the owners and management take less, remove the cap and try to win. Let the market set the payrolls.
The CBA is what the players and the owners agree upon... it's not just the owners who set the cap. The cap was done to prevent large market teams from hording all the high salary players from small market teams like in baseball.

And I'm not saying all players should do that, but certain players who are interested in attracting free agents should recognize the limitations of the salary cap and adjust accordingly, especially if you have outside income that exceeds what the team pays you anyways. I understand the idea of getting all you can from your employer, but if I were making money outside my employer, I wouldn't put my fellow employees or my employer in a tougher position by demanding a higher salary.
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Would you take less money at your job now so your coworker can make more?  Or for management  to make more money? Doubt it.
Actually... yes. But maybe that's why I'm still a 99%er. Every year we've had bonuses, upper management tells me what goes to who... and every year I've reduced mine to give more to other employees.
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The players have 8-12 years if park earnings years. They need to maximize those earnings not concern themselves with what fans think about them crippling salary caps. Go complain to the owners to loosen the purse strings.
Again... this only applies to certain players. It doesn't matter to me how many cabinet upgrades Kobe has to pay for, he needs to understand that it's more than just him getting paid, he's been paid, higher than most other players in the NBA, but the team is also his value and with the Lakers being as bad as they are, it reflects on him and his brand. If the Lakers were winning, playoff bound and a trophy contender, that would make his endorsements even higher.

But this is why most other players don't like Kobe and everyone respects Duncan and Dirk. Basketball is still a "team" sport, so it's nice to see other players putting team ahead of money.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 16, 2014, 10:05:24 AM
Are Jeremy Lin jerseys available yet?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 16, 2014, 10:06:31 AM
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Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2014, 10:09:58 AM
Are Jeremy Lin jerseys available yet?
Ask Farmie... that's his twin brother.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 16, 2014, 10:13:33 AM
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Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 16, 2014, 10:56:28 AM
Why is it the players responsibility to take less money?  If the owners cared about winning then they should remove the salary cap. It appears the owners, most of whom are billionaires and have other businesses outside of the nba, care more about making money. Sterling just got $2B, Phil Jackson makes $12m/year. Why don't the owners and management take less, remove the cap and try to win. Let the market set the payrolls.
The CBA is what the players and the owners agree upon... it's not just the owners who set the cap. The cap was done to prevent large market teams from hording all the high salary players from small market teams like in baseball.

And I'm not saying all players should do that, but certain players who are interested in attracting free agents should recognize the limitations of the salary cap and adjust accordingly, especially if you have outside income that exceeds what the team pays you anyways. I understand the idea of getting all you can from your employer, but if I were making money outside my employer, I wouldn't put my fellow employees or my employer in a tougher position by demanding a higher salary.
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Would you take less money at your job now so your coworker can make more?  Or for management  to make more money? Doubt it.
Actually... yes. But maybe that's why I'm still a 99%er. Every year we've had bonuses, upper management tells me what goes to who... and every year I've reduced mine to give more to other employees.
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The players have 8-12 years if park earnings years. They need to maximize those earnings not concern themselves with what fans think about them crippling salary caps. Go complain to the owners to loosen the purse strings.
Again... this only applies to certain players. It doesn't matter to me how many cabinet upgrades Kobe has to pay for, he needs to understand that it's more than just him getting paid, he's been paid, higher than most other players in the NBA, but the team is also his value and with the Lakers being as bad as they are, it reflects on him and his brand. If the Lakers were winning, playoff bound and a trophy contender, that would make his endorsements even higher.

But this is why most other players don't like Kobe and everyone respects Duncan and Dirk. Basketball is still a "team" sport, so it's nice to see other players putting team ahead of money.

well the CBA is what they "agreed" on but lets not get it twisted, the owners forced it upon them, the players are too stupid to be fiscally responsible and unfortunately cant go too long without those fat paychecks.  i think we will just agree to disagree.  Baseball does just fine with no hard salary caps and no one complains about Pujols/Rodriguez/Kershaw/insert name here, crippling the team.

sometimes i wonder if race plays into it, probably does. on sports radio the nba players always get criticized for not taking less so their team can win, but you never hear that a baseball player should take less, that peyton manning/brady/brees/rogers/insert white quarteback name here, etc.

this is entertainment for us, but its the players jobs and money they will need to live the remaining 35-50 years, most of them wont even come close to make that kind of money again. like i said before and ill say it again. its very easy to tell others what to do with their money. 

cowherd made good point the other day too. carmelo anthony got criticized for taking the money and staying in new york vs taking 50-60M less and going to the bulls for the better basketball situation.  historically, if carmelo gave up the 50-60M now and won a championship with the bulls (and odds are he would not anyway), that doesnt really imact how anthony would get viewed historically. title or not, he will be viewed as a really good player, 10-20 years from now his top 50, top 100 ranking wouldnt change because he won (or didnt win) a championship, yet 10-20 years from now he will be out $50-$60M and for what? so bulls fan could enjoy one season more where they won a title? fuck that.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ob1 on July 16, 2014, 12:35:25 PM
Hearing about how Duncan and Dirk are taking smaller contracts just irritates me about Kobe.

One of the reasons why LBJ doesn't take max money is because he knows that he makes much more outside the NBA. And so does Kobe... so why does Kobe think he should get paid so much and make it hard on the team's payroll? He makes probably more than most other NBA players (or even other sports) with outside endorsements so why not give the Lakers a break in their salary cap to recruit more talent?

But why should the onerous be on the players to "take less"? The owners are raking it in.  Plus sterling just for two billion for the clippers. And a new tv deal is coming up. The owners should step it up and stop raping the players union.  The players only have a limited window to make money so in this fight of millionaires versus billionaires, imma side with the underdogs. Plus Kobe has like 10 houses. 3 in one neighborhood alone. How much do you think it costs to upgrade his cabinets and flooring?

I think you meant "onus." 

Thanks mike Vick

No problem, Glass House.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2014, 01:11:38 PM
I don't even think the Lakers know what they are doing? You know that saying we take it day by day - that's the Lakers. The Spurs plan ahead.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 16, 2014, 03:26:11 PM
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Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 16, 2014, 03:30:32 PM
I don't even think the Lakers know what they are doing? You know that saying we take it day by day - that's the Lakers. The Spurs plan ahead.

Actually I think they know what they were doing.  They got Chris Paul and their contracts were in place.  Then the NBA f'd it up.. now what?  Well, we are still suffering from that.  Can't expect much now.. won 5 ships in the last 15 years.. not bad.. Time  to reset for a few years and draft some young talent. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2014, 03:39:48 PM
On the CP3 thing... Lakers would not have been in a better place.

Remember they would have also lost Pau in that deal... so just Kobe and CP3... no bigs. And... just like Dwight, CP3 may have decided to opt out (especially if he didn't get along with Kobe... there can be only one alpha).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 16, 2014, 03:49:34 PM
On the CP3 thing... Lakers would not have been in a better place.

Remember they would have also lost Pau in that deal... so just Kobe and CP3... no bigs. And... just like Dwight, CP3 may have decided to opt out (especially if he didn't get along with Kobe... there can be only one alpha).

Possibly.. but essentially you got rid of some heavy contracts.. still had Bynum as trade bait.  Maybe D12 doesn't leave since Cp3 was here.  Still.. it was a great trade for the lakers.. that's why Cuban and others got so angry. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2014, 04:17:41 PM
On the CP3 thing... Lakers would not have been in a better place.

Remember they would have also lost Pau in that deal... so just Kobe and CP3... no bigs. And... just like Dwight, CP3 may have decided to opt out (especially if he didn't get along with Kobe... there can be only one alpha).

Possibly.. but essentially you got rid of some heavy contracts.. still had Bynum as trade bait.  Maybe D12 doesn't leave since Cp3 was here.  Still.. it was a great trade for the lakers.. that's why Cuban and others got so angry.

You also forgot Dan Gilbert. He wrote a letter to David Stern.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_dan_gilbert_email_lakers_hornets_trade_120811
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2014, 05:15:20 PM
You really think Kobe, CP3 and D12 would fit under the cap?

And chemistry-wise, CP3 and D12 can co-exist, but not if you throw Kobe in with either of them.

Kobe just didn't kill it for the Lakers with his contract... you have to be nice to your teammates too.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2014, 08:32:49 PM
Lakers just signed Ed Davis 2 year for $2mil. Second year is player option.

Lakers = bargain hunter which doesn't equate to a championship
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: gaogi on July 17, 2014, 02:19:05 PM
Lakers just got Boozer off waivers
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 17, 2014, 02:27:12 PM
You really think Kobe, CP3 and D12 would fit under the cap?

And chemistry-wise, CP3 and D12 can co-exist, but not if you throw Kobe in with either of them.

Kobe just didn't kill it for the Lakers with his contract... you have to be nice to your teammates too.

Yes.. it would work but would obviously require some tinkering on the Kobe contract.  Either way, that trade messed up any short term goals we had. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 17, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
hell ya, Boozer!
(http://static.businessinsider.com/image/51700428eab8eae46e000002/carlos-boozer-nut-punch.gif)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 17, 2014, 03:55:44 PM
I don't really like Boozer, esp recently but he's better than what's available right now.

Makes Jordan Hill overpaid.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2014, 11:33:14 AM
Lakers sign Xavier Henry for 1 year. Kendall is waived by the Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 18, 2014, 12:04:53 PM
More playing time for Lin!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2014, 12:57:45 PM
More playing time for Lin!
True that
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2014, 10:56:14 PM
Lakers sign R. Kelly (Ryan Kelly) to a 2 year deal.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 19, 2014, 06:05:20 PM
Kendal Marshall was claimed off waivers by the Bucks.

MWP might get play for the Knicks again.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 19, 2014, 11:29:42 PM
http://tbrnews.com/news/redondo_beach/lakers-jeremy-lin-offered-a-room-at-redondo-beach-woman/article_c8b1a57a-0eb2-11e4-a211-001a4bcf887a.html

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff390/Ps99472/lin_zps7a794846.jpg)

Ouch, $70 for a jersey, not sure if that's even his number.

On other news, didn't know Clarkson is half Asian (or PI)...  that's two asians on the court at the same time for the same team.  New for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6O0PiHd92A
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 19, 2014, 11:34:08 PM
http://tbrnews.com/news/redondo_beach/lakers-jeremy-lin-offered-a-room-at-redondo-beach-woman/article_c8b1a57a-0eb2-11e4-a211-001a4bcf887a.html

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff390/Ps99472/lin_zps7a794846.jpg)

Ouch, $70 for a jersey, not sure if that's even his number.

On other news, didn't know Clarkson is half Asian (or PI)...  that's two asians on the court at the same time for the same team.  New for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6O0PiHd92A
If I'm not mistaken, he is half black and Philippino.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 19, 2014, 11:41:45 PM
I believe the correct spelling is Filipino :)

Or Pilipino if you took Asian Am at a UC
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 19, 2014, 11:56:19 PM
I believe the correct spelling is Filipino :)

Or Pilipino if you took Asian Am at a UC
I don't know man, I was walking around the neighborhood when I was responding. Blame it on the lack of light.  ;)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 20, 2014, 12:31:56 AM
Check out Kobe playing horse.

http://www.lakersnation.com/kobe-bryant-plays-fan-in-h-o-r-s-e-at-basketball-camp/2014/07/18/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 20, 2014, 12:47:18 AM
since you have Lin as your icon. I came across this picture: Lin and Yao Ming. One picture is when Lin was younger (maybe teenager). Another picture when Lin is older. (maybe when he was playing with the Knicks or Rockets?)

http://0.media.todaysbigthing.cvcdn.com/33/29/e678248a3c9cacbd98463294f917c3a8.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/710/58084648500759152777030.jpg
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 20, 2014, 02:00:21 AM
Clarkson may end up better than Randle based on Summer League. He's a combo guard so maybe the Lakers found their Kobe replacement.  :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 20, 2014, 05:16:33 AM
Clarkson may end up better than Randle based on Summer League. He's a combo guard so maybe the Lakers found their Kobe replacement.  :)
Clarkson looks hungry. Hopefully Clarkson works on his turnover issue.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 20, 2014, 09:29:20 AM
RUMOR: Lakers might trade Randall and Hill to Pheonix for Bledsoe
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 20, 2014, 09:34:12 AM
Eyephone is like the Chris Broussard of talkirvine. Sources say!!!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 20, 2014, 10:17:02 AM
That trade does not make sense... big men are arguably a higher commodity than a PG. Lakers already have players who can fill out that PG/quick SG role... who will be their bigs? Sacre and Boozer?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 20, 2014, 10:20:08 AM
Small is the new big in the nba.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 20, 2014, 10:22:42 AM
Actually... I think med is the key.

Which is why the Lakers need to replace Kobe in 2 years.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: i1 on July 20, 2014, 04:54:30 PM
Saw AC Green at Costco today. Wearing a bright orange shirt that said New York basketball. Loaded up on a bunch of croissants, muffins and peaches. Looked just like in his playing days. He was friendly when I said "AC Green what's up?" but kept moving along.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 20, 2014, 05:53:16 PM
Saw AC Green at Costco today. Wearing a bright orange shirt that said New York basketball. Loaded up on a bunch of croissants, muffins and peaches. Looked just like in his playing days. He was friendly when I said "AC Green what's up?" but kept moving along.
Sweet. Did he look tall? He is 6 foot 9.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 20, 2014, 05:58:14 PM
The Iron Man here?  He must be craving a continental breakfast.  :)

Does he still have the Soul Glow Jheri Curls?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: i1 on July 20, 2014, 07:05:07 PM
Yep, same curls but pretty neat and trim, not all flying around. His height shows - from afar it looks like his head is sticking out over everyone else's.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 20, 2014, 07:29:41 PM
Which Costco? I was at the Spectrum one twice today.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: i1 on July 20, 2014, 07:36:38 PM
Which Costco? I was at the Spectrum one twice today.
Y, the one on technology dr. in irvine. 4ish or so.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 20, 2014, 07:41:16 PM
What? I was there from 4 to 4:45... gah.

But I was wearing a Clipper shirt so he might have laughed at me.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 20, 2014, 08:24:22 PM
What? I was there from 4 to 4:45... gah.

But I was wearing a Clipper shirt so he might have laughed at me.

If you worn a Michael Cage jersey, he probably would've noticed.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 21, 2014, 08:09:29 AM
sdf
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 21, 2014, 09:43:49 AM
One day... rumors of LA NFL will become a reality.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 21, 2014, 09:45:21 AM
One day... rumors of LA NFL will become a reality.

Well this could be the breakthrough. An nfl owned stadium eliminates the biggest hurdle for potential owners.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 21, 2014, 10:02:47 AM
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24628728/report-nfl-could-return-to-la-own-the-stadium-and-act-as-landlord?v=1&vc=1

Screw the lakers. Football is coming back to town!


some sucker city must be in discussions about a new stadium deal and they are just using this as leverage to get them to pay.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 21, 2014, 10:06:22 AM
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24628728/report-nfl-could-return-to-la-own-the-stadium-and-act-as-landlord?v=1&vc=1

Screw the lakers. Football is coming back to town!


some sucker city must be in discussions about a new stadium deal and they are just using this as leverage to get them to pay.

Wonder if they can do something like this and still keep that Non-profit thing they have going.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 21, 2014, 10:22:42 AM
One day... rumors of LA NFL will become a reality.

Well this could be the breakthrough. An nfl owned stadium eliminates the biggest hurdle for potential owners.
But isn't that taking away some of the impetus for a team owner?

Owning the stadium also means owning the profits... so that takes away part of the benefit of owning a team in such a large market like LA. I understand the headache and costs of building a stadium, but that's where you get the city and investment groups to pitch in.

I think the biggest hurdle is actually getting a team to move from a city as most are very profitable where they are (maybe except the Chargers).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 21, 2014, 10:27:20 AM
df
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 21, 2014, 10:32:18 AM
Buffalo. Owner just died. Team up for sale. Doesn't make much money in buffalo. Need new stadium.

I think NFL wants to keep team there.. and there are willing parties to keep them there (Donald Trump).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 21, 2014, 10:34:15 AM
Someone call Balmer... the Bills might be worth more than $2b if he moves them to LA.

He can call them the Balms (avoiding qwermemes).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 21, 2014, 11:41:00 AM
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Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 21, 2014, 11:55:29 AM
Buffalo. Owner just died. Team up for sale. Doesn't make much money in buffalo. Need new stadium.

I think NFL wants to keep team there.. and there are willing parties to keep them there (Donald Trump).

Sure but NFL knows it needs/wants/should have a team in LA.  So if it has to piss off buffalo fans - who cares. Also this is a trustee sale so it makes it easier to move the team. There's no alive owner who will need to get run out of town for letting the team leave town.  To me it's a no brainer. Let's get it done so I get more options than watching chargers football on Sunday (painful).

I think the most logical team to move out here are the Jagz. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 21, 2014, 12:00:47 PM
These are the teams that are on short leases or have an escape clause:
Raiders, Rams, and Chargers

Escape Clause:
Chargers, Rams

Source: LA Times
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 21, 2014, 12:21:04 PM
These are the teams that are on short leases or have an escape clause:
Raiders, Rams, and Chargers

Escape Clause:
Chargers, Rams

Source: LA Times

Didn't all these teams once exist in LA?  And didn't they all fail? Let's get some new blood in here. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 21, 2014, 07:29:15 PM
Sad news: Michael Cooper diagnosed with tongue cancer
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 22, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2136375-lakers-offseason-hasnt-moved-quickly-but-it-could-move-them-to-right-coach

Just hire him already!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2014, 08:58:21 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2136375-lakers-offseason-hasnt-moved-quickly-but-it-could-move-them-to-right-coach

Just hire him already!

Long shot - Doc Rivers recently said if Sterling still owns the Clips he will not coach. Maybe Doc goes across the hall to the Lakers?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 22, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
A Celtic coach!  No way
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2014, 09:53:48 PM
ps9 may have to change his avatar to a PHX jersey. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 24, 2014, 11:19:12 AM
The new Laker and the new Laker coach. :)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtU-vPACIAAAQk4.png)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 24, 2014, 02:42:06 PM
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1966558-jeremy-lin-to-lakers-latest-trade-details-comments-and-reaction

#17!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 24, 2014, 03:05:36 PM
He's on ESPN 710 now with Max&Marcellus.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 24, 2014, 03:06:56 PM
He's on ESPN 710 now with Max&Marcellus.
Dude I'm working. I wish I had the luxury to work from home like you.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 24, 2014, 03:12:11 PM
He's on ESPN 710 now with Max&Marcellus.
Dude I'm working. I wish I had the luxury to work from home like you.

stream it!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 24, 2014, 03:24:38 PM
I app it!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 25, 2014, 01:05:58 PM
Lakers offer Byron Scott head coaching job. (Finally)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 25, 2014, 01:07:30 PM
Lakers offer Byron Scott head coaching job. (Finally)

So are laker fans happy about this?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 25, 2014, 01:31:37 PM
Lakers offer Byron Scott head coaching job. (Finally)

So are laker fans happy about this?

i actually dont think he is a good coach. over rated.  the whole laker way crap is over rated.  i would have taken george carl over this guy. perhaps even a college coach. but it wouldnt really matter who the coach is for the next two years since they will suck regardless. probably a good PR move as fans will be less likely to jump all over scott in the beginning since he is a laker champion. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 25, 2014, 02:28:45 PM
At least he has playoffs/finals experience... although the Lakers will probably not go to either the next 2 years.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on March 21, 2015, 08:56:01 PM
Steve Nash retired from basketball. Unfortunately he was injured when he was playing for the Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on March 21, 2015, 09:20:52 PM
Steve Nash retired from basketball. Unfortunately he was injured when he was playing for the Lakers.

sad day...  one of the best "pass first" point guard.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 09, 2015, 09:10:07 PM
So Kupchak just said everything is on the table. (Keep the pick or trade it)

Kupchak mentioned that they will evaluate bigs and guards. As back in the day the #3 pick was Michael Jordan.

My analysis:
Pick Towns if available at #2. Then I would pick Russell or maybe Mudiay think Okafor's defense is lacking and his free throw percentage is low.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 09, 2015, 09:37:52 PM
Yeah... I'm stuck between Towns and Russell.

Guard driven league and it seems like they can get a decent big with their #27 pick.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 09, 2015, 09:51:46 PM
i love okafor....  big men wins championship.   still old-school...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 09, 2015, 10:02:24 PM
i love okafor....  big men wins championship.   still old-school...


Towns can shoot the three.
I also read, wolves considering Russell or Mudiay as the #1 pick.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 10, 2015, 06:52:50 AM
i love okafor....  big men superstar(s) wins championship.   still old-school...
Fixed.

Big men USED to win trophies, the league has changed... and even then, Jordan didn't win his rings with a dominant big. Neither did LBJ.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on June 10, 2015, 08:40:11 AM
Just get Kevin love and durant... Lol

Big men are usually a safer bet, but it's not like the old days where getting a great center would mean being a contender.  Every player is bigger and faster than the old days
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 10, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
The more I look at Okafor, michael olowokandi comes to mind.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on June 10, 2015, 04:33:10 PM
Didn't he last 10 yrs in the league.  Mediocre at best, but not as bad as the number 1 pick of 2 yrs ago, what's Bennett even averaging
Centers aren't so bad of a pick, unless injury plagues them like Greg oden
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 11, 2015, 02:37:19 PM
i got magic behind my back.  any other questions???   :)

http://www.lakersnation.com/twitter-magic-johnson-endorses-jahlil-okafor-to-lakers/2015/06/11/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 14, 2015, 12:32:17 AM
I read the lakers might be interested in the Euro player porzingis. He can shoot mid range jumper, shoot 3s, make free throws, post up. ( 7ft, 19 years old)

Click the link below for videos of draft workout.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kristaps-Porzingis-7119/

The next Dirk?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 14, 2015, 07:15:30 AM
Or the next darko
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 14, 2015, 08:00:14 PM
I think current mock has it 1. Towns 2. Okafor 3. Russell... but I just don't think Okafor is going to be better than Russell.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 14, 2015, 08:29:51 PM
I think current mock has it 1. Towns 2. Okafor 3. Russell... but I just don't think Okafor is going to be better than Russell.

agreed... Towns or Russell.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 14, 2015, 08:56:11 PM
I think current mock has it 1. Towns 2. Okafor 3. Russell... but I just don't think Okafor is going to be better than Russell.

agreed... Towns or Russell.

agree to disagree...  okafor all the way..
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 14, 2015, 09:07:43 PM
What if I told you Okafor is pro-cemetery?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 14, 2015, 09:21:45 PM
What if I told you Okafor is pro-cemetery?

Oh my - that's funny
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 15, 2015, 08:46:37 AM
yaliu... have you been watching the NBA finals? Small ball is the new hawtness... even CLE didn't play Mozgov who's probably better than Okafor right now.

With the new NBA, maybe even Mudiay might be a better pick than Okafor (although not for the Lakers since they already have Clarkson).

You're like Charles Barkley, stuck in the old days.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 15, 2015, 09:01:32 AM
If Cleveland is at full strength golden state would have lost the series. And everyone would be saying how small ball never wins titles
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 15, 2015, 09:07:17 AM
hard to say; Love and Irving are not known for their defense; if Cleveland's big 3 are healthy, the games would have been higher scoring and in GS's favor.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 15, 2015, 09:16:44 AM
I'm with CCC, GSW's lineup is really versatile.

The difference would have been LBJ, not necessarily CLE's size.

As much as I prefer the big man game, 3 is still greater than 2 (or 1 or 0 if you foul the big).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 15, 2015, 09:38:33 AM
AGAIN, i got magic behind my back.  who do you got?

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 15, 2015, 09:55:09 AM
When was the last time Magic played?

#Done
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 15, 2015, 10:06:10 AM
are you saying that magic does NOT know basketball?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 15, 2015, 10:10:39 AM
different era. Magic is so decades ago.


are you saying that magic does NOT know basketball?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 15, 2015, 10:15:27 AM
different era. Magic is so decades ago.


are you saying that magic does NOT know basketball?

TRUE, TRUE and TRUE.  however, he still has more basketball knowledge than any of us.  do you or IHO have any "basketball knowledge" people choose other players over Okafor?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 15, 2015, 10:25:07 AM
Have to give the edge here IF Cavs were at full strength.  I think the biggest problem with the Cavs is that nobody else can drive the ball in.  If anything it would have made Curry more tired from covering Irving. Much respect for Lebron.. I can see them winning game 6 though.  Series still up for grabs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 15, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
Sorry yaliu... many analysts (coaches and players with more recent experience than Magic and are actually involved with the NBA right now, not with the Dodgers), rate Towns higher than Okafor and even Russell at #2 (check out Chad Ford on ESPN).

If you listen to ESPN radio, most of the guys there are not sure about Okafor for the Lakers, and those guys are more in tune with the current Laker organization and the state of the NBA than Magic.

And it's just common sense, bigs are risky in both development and health. When you look at the "greatest player of all time" arguments for the modern NBA, who are the top 3? Not bigs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 15, 2015, 10:35:29 AM
Sorry yaliu... many analysts (coaches and players with more recent experience than Magic and are actually involved with the NBA right now, not with the Dodgers), rate Towns higher than Okafor and even Russell at #2 (check out Chad Ford on ESPN).

If you listen to ESPN radio, most of the guys there are not sure about Okafor for the Lakers, and those guys are more in tune with the current Laker organization and the state of the NBA than Magic.

And it's just common sense, bigs are risky in both development and health. When you look at the "greatest player of all time" arguments for the modern NBA, who are the top 3? Not bigs.

I agree in a sense.. but Russell is not like a second coming of MJ, LJB, Kobe, or Magic.  I would take Towns, but he wont' be there.. so I'd take Russell over Okafor. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 15, 2015, 10:38:13 AM
BET with IHO.....

Lakers takes Town/Okafor, I win.
Lakers takes everybody else, IHO win.

Prize: Pride...

@IHO, sounds fair to you?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 15, 2015, 10:45:49 AM
BET with IHO.....

Lakers takes Town/Okafor, I win.
Lakers takes everybody else, IHO win.

Prize: Pride...

@IHO, sounds fair to you?
You aren't understanding my posts.

I don't think the Lakers should draft Okafor, I would rather they draft Towns if they had a choice (because Towns is more like a stretch 4).

But that doesn't mean I think the Lakers won't draft Okafor.

The bet would be, who becomes a better player in their first 2-3 years, Okafor or Towns/Russell.

I think the latter 2 will be better.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 15, 2015, 10:48:08 AM
I agree in a sense.. but Russell is not like a second coming of MJ, LJB, Kobe, or Magic.  I would take Towns, but he wont' be there.. so I'd take Russell over Okafor. 
Same here.

What I meant is that the NBA is a 1-4 league now, not a 5, so you would get more out of guard than a center. And even then, not a PG, but a wing.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 15, 2015, 01:53:03 PM
Funny, ESPN radio is talking about the same subject.

And while they bring up good examples like Mark Gasol and Al Horford, is MEM or ATL in the finals right now?

I think MEM would actually be better if they kept Gay. Isn't CHI better because of Butler, not necessarily Rose? IND needed Paul George. OKC is nothing without Westbrook or Durant.

Granted, a big helps, but in this 3-pt shooting era with hands off the players, small ball just seems like the way to go.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 16, 2015, 04:16:25 PM
According to Lakers Nation: Jimmy Butler has "increased interest" signing with the lakers.

But we all know he is a restricted free agent.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 18, 2015, 09:42:43 PM
According to Lakers Nation: Jimmy Butler has "increased interest" signing with the lakers.

But we all know he is a restricted free agent.

I sure hope so. 

So what will it be TI Laker nation.. who are we picking in the draft?  I think I'm going to cringe if it's Okafur. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 20, 2015, 09:49:59 PM
Yaliu - in regards to your question, who do you think the Lakers pick #2. I say no to Okafor. It will be a bad idea since Randal and Okafor are not known for their defense. If Towns not available, I believe the Lakers should draft Russell.

Just imagine Russell and Clarkson the future backcourt for the Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 21, 2015, 07:09:27 AM
Real scouts on Towns, Russell and Okafor

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ryen-russillos-nba-draft-confidential-real-scouts-on-towns-russell-and-okafor/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 21, 2015, 10:32:10 AM
Real scouts on Towns, Russell and Okafor

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ryen-russillos-nba-draft-confidential-real-scouts-on-towns-russell-and-okafor/
Lakers should draft Okafor.

#channelingyaliu
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 22, 2015, 12:50:15 AM
Dwayne Wade and Lakers have mutual interest.

(I almost threw up when I saw this)


http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/21/8821693/los-angeles-lakers-dwyane-wade-nba-free-agency-2015
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 22, 2015, 10:08:06 AM
They need more wheel chairs. One for Kobe and another one for Wade
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 23, 2015, 07:27:57 AM
Lakers trading for cousins rumor

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/22/report-lakers-trying-to-trade-for-demarcus-cousins/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on June 23, 2015, 08:38:14 AM
He'd be good if he keeps his head in the game, and not go bat crazy like artest
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on June 25, 2015, 10:45:08 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/25/8845577/lakers-prefer-dangelo-russell-to-jahlil-okafor

Okafor out Russell in?  We'll find out at 4pm... Getting jittery
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 10:45:57 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/25/8845577/lakers-prefer-dangelo-russell-to-jahlil-okafor

Okafor out Russell in?  We'll find out at 4pm... Getting jittery

I support Okafor is we get can Lamarcus.  That is a formidable line up. If not, I'd go with Russell. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 25, 2015, 10:59:21 AM
He'd be good if he keeps his head in the game, and not go bat crazy like artest

I don't think the Lakers should trade for cousins. I think they want #2 pick, Randall, Clarkson and possibly future picks for Cousins.

(2 much)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 25, 2015, 11:02:04 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/25/8845577/lakers-prefer-dangelo-russell-to-jahlil-okafor

Okafor out Russell in?  We'll find out at 4pm... Getting jittery

I support Okafor is we get can Lamarcus.  That is a formidable line up. If not, I'd go with Russell.

Russell has more upside than Okafor. Also, ESPN's statistical plus minus (spm) gives Russsell a higher percentage for him to be a super star out of the top 4 nba projects.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106822/the-reasons-analytics-love-dangelo-russell
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 25, 2015, 11:53:06 AM
This is for Yaliu:

In the 1984 draft, 2 bigs were picked first, Hakeem and Sam Bowie.

Hakeem was good, won 2 rings but no one knows what happened to Sam Bowie.

Who was the #3 pick after those 2 bigs?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 25, 2015, 11:56:05 AM
This is for Yaliu:

In the 1984 draft, 2 bigs were picked first, Hakeem and Sam Bowie.

Hakeem was good, won 2 rings but no one knows what happened to Sam Bowie.

Who was the #3 pick after those 2 bigs?

In Yaliu's absense:

MJ
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 12:00:52 PM
This is for Yaliu:

In the 1984 draft, 2 bigs were picked first, Hakeem and Sam Bowie.

Hakeem was good, won 2 rings but no one knows what happened to Sam Bowie.

Who was the #3 pick after those 2 bigs?

In Yaliu's absense:

MJ

What does that to do with this draft though? 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 25, 2015, 12:13:03 PM
it means the last draft where you have two stud bigs, 1 stud wing, and their projected order is 1 2 3, #2 or the second big is going to be bust
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 12:22:18 PM
it means the last draft where you have two stud bigs, 1 stud wing, and their projected order is 1 2 3, #2 or the second big is going to be bust

Wondering if this is the right play again.  Bowie wasn't that great in college but they pumped him up since big men were the prize of the draft.  different date in time now.. you take best available play in the top 10. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 25, 2015, 12:41:57 PM
there is always a chance your draft pick is going to be a bust.  for example, michael olowokandi, kwame brown, greg oden...  however, if you are LUCKY, then you just build your dynasty....  for example, tim duncan, Shaq.  it is much easier to build dynasty with big man...  just my 2cents.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 12:46:05 PM
there is always a chance your draft pick is going to be a bust.  for example, michael olowokandi, kwame brown, greg oden...  however, if you are LUCKY, then you just build your dynasty....  for example, tim duncan, Shaq.  it is much easier to build dynasty with big man...  just my 2cents.

Yaliu.. I agree with you.. 100%.  However, Okafor is not even in that realm.  I would say Towns has a good shot at it.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 25, 2015, 12:48:33 PM
if you are great big man you will probably win a title. if you are a great gaurd/forward it is a crowded field. Many great gaurd/forwards have not won titles, yet every great big man has won a title with the exception of perhaps Ewing. having a dominant big man that can draw a double team is a huge asset vs a wing player that can draw a double team. Every team shaq went to (with the exception of when he was dead man walking at the end of his career) he turned into a title contender becauase of all of the open looks he created for his teammates from the inside out.  if he turns out to be great its gauranteed titles.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 12:49:54 PM
if you are great big man you will probably win a title. if you are a great gaurd/forward it is a crowded field. Many great gaurd/forwards have not won titles, yet every great big man has won a title with the exception of perhaps Ewing. having a dominant big man that can draw a double team is a huge asset vs a wing player that can draw a double team. Every team shaq went to (with the exception of when he was dead man walking at the end of his career) he turned into a title contender becauase of all of the open looks he created for his teammates from the inside out.

I just don't see any greatness in Okafur. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 25, 2015, 12:50:38 PM
if you are great big man you will probably win a title. if you are a great gaurd/forward it is a crowded field. Many great gaurd/forwards have not won titles, yet every great big man has won a title with the exception of perhaps Ewing. having a dominant big man that can draw a double team is a huge asset vs a wing player that can draw a double team. Every team shaq went to (with the exception of when he was dead man walking at the end of his career) he turned into a title contender becauase of all of the open looks he created for his teammates from the inside out.

I just don't see any greatness in Okafur. 

i agree, im just saying that is why teams take a chance on the big guys.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: GH on June 25, 2015, 12:57:15 PM
it means the last draft where you have two stud bigs, 1 stud wing, and their projected order is 1 2 3, #2 or the second big is going to be bust

It can really go either way:
2006: 1 - Bargnani, 2 - Aldridge, 3- Morrison,  #2 is a superstar, #1 and #3 are bust
But 2009:  1- Blake, 2- Thabeet, 3 - Harden


Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 25, 2015, 01:00:28 PM
if you are great big man you will probably win a title. if you are a great gaurd/forward it is a crowded field. Many great gaurd/forwards have not won titles, yet every great big man has won a title with the exception of perhaps Ewing. having a dominant big man that can draw a double team is a huge asset vs a wing player that can draw a double team. Every team shaq went to (with the exception of when he was dead man walking at the end of his career) he turned into a title contender becauase of all of the open looks he created for his teammates from the inside out.  if he turns out to be great its gauranteed titles.

No bigs

Warriors,
Miami Heat (James, Wade, Bosh)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 25, 2015, 01:04:42 PM
if you are great big man you will probably win a title. if you are a great gaurd/forward it is a crowded field. Many great gaurd/forwards have not won titles, yet every great big man has won a title with the exception of perhaps Ewing. having a dominant big man that can draw a double team is a huge asset vs a wing player that can draw a double team. Every team shaq went to (with the exception of when he was dead man walking at the end of his career) he turned into a title contender becauase of all of the open looks he created for his teammates from the inside out.  if he turns out to be great its gauranteed titles.

No bigs

Warriors,
Miami Heat (James, Wade, Bosh)

i am not saying you need bigs to win a title. im saying as a great wing player it is harder to win titles than a a great big man.a great big man is guaranteed titles, a great gaurd/forward does not guarantee titles.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: GH on June 25, 2015, 02:12:40 PM
I think the reason teams go for big is because there are few quality big men.  If you look at current NBA rosters, the big men skill level significantly drop once you counted the few quality big.   On the other hand, for wing player, even if you miss the top players, there are still a lot of players available with great skills that is just a few notch lower skills-wise that you can build your team from.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 02:18:54 PM
The rules just cater towards the wing player NBA... NBA has been trying to go that route ever since Jordan.  Wonder if they will eventually change  the rules back to even things out a bit.. the lack of star power is evident. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: GH on June 25, 2015, 03:00:47 PM
The rules just cater towards the wing player NBA... NBA has been trying to go that route ever since Jordan.  Wonder if they will eventually change  the rules back to even things out a bit.. the lack of star power is evident.

Partly true but also partly because current big doesn't really have good post-up move that can consistently punish opponent if they play small ball.   If Shaq or Olajuwon at their prime would be playing today, I doubt GS can win with just putting Draymond Green to cover them.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 25, 2015, 03:07:54 PM
there is always a chance your draft pick is going to be a bust.  for example, michael olowokandi, kwame brown, greg oden...  however, if you are LUCKY, then you just build your dynasty....  for example, tim duncan, Shaq.  it is much easier to build dynasty with big man...  just my 2cents.
Okafor is more like Kandiman, Kwame Hands of Stone and Oden Knees of Glass.

He is not Shaq or Duncan... not even close.

A big is decent if they can play defense (like DeAndre Jordan)... that is also not Okafor.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 25, 2015, 03:30:57 PM
I'm actually more interested to see who they pick at 27 and 34.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: GH on June 25, 2015, 03:37:46 PM
there is always a chance your draft pick is going to be a bust.  for example, michael olowokandi, kwame brown, greg oden...  however, if you are LUCKY, then you just build your dynasty....  for example, tim duncan, Shaq.  it is much easier to build dynasty with big man...  just my 2cents.
Okafor is more like Kandiman, Kwame Hands of Stone and Oden Knees of Glass.

He is not Shaq or Duncan... not even close.

A big is decent if they can play defense (like DeAndre Jordan)... that is also not Okafor.

Just my opinion.

But looks like Celtics disagree with you.  Not sure though why they don't just give the "Godfather" offer to the Lakers to get Okafor ... I guess just old time rivalries :)

Update, 12:57 p.m. — Celtics ready ‘Godfather’ offer to get Okafor
Jahlil Okafor is apparently someone the Celtics have a very high opinion of, if you believe the latest buzz. According to Mike Cole of NESN.com, the Celtics have a ‘Godfather’ offer ready for the 76ers if Okafor doesn’t go No. 1 or No. 2 …
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 25, 2015, 04:50:31 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/25/8845577/lakers-prefer-dangelo-russell-to-jahlil-okafor

Okafor out Russell in?  We'll find out at 4pm... Getting jittery

I support Okafor is we get can Lamarcus.  That is a formidable line up. If not, I'd go with Russell.

Russell has more upside than Okafor. Also, ESPN's statistical plus minus (spm) gives Russsell a higher percentage for him to be a super star out of the top 4 nba projects.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106822/the-reasons-analytics-love-dangelo-russell

Lakers select Russell.

 :)

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 25, 2015, 05:18:45 PM
Heh... so now what are the 76ers going to do with Embiid?

So... uh... Yaliu... Magic may agree with you, but looks like the Lakers and most other analysts agreed with me.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 25, 2015, 05:23:25 PM
Wow... Willie Cauley Stein jumped. Weird that Sac skipped on Mudiay and Winslow but I guess they really want to trade Boogie.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 25, 2015, 05:38:33 PM
I just dont understand...  who is going to be their starting 5???

PG: DRussel
SG: Kobe
SF:  who??? / Nick Young
PF: Randle
C: Jordan Hill??  i thought they are NOT going to pick up his option.

How is Jordan Clarkson going to develop?

even if they somehow get LaMarcus Aldridge, he is a PF...  who will be their starting center and backup center???
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 25, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
Hmm... Lakers can get a decent small forward at 27... or even a big.

Twitterverse says they went with the best player (Russell) and they didn't go big because there a some quality FA bigs out there that are proven that they can go after.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 25, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
Kobe drops to SF, he's not fast enough any more to guard SGs... Clarkson can move to SG.

C is still a question but I think they are going to go FA with that or maybe draft. You just need a serviceable body for 5... or they could go small ball like GSW. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 25, 2015, 05:43:57 PM
I think the Heat got a steal at 10 with Justise Winslow.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 05:53:35 PM
We might even trade randle. Look out.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 25, 2015, 07:40:47 PM
Lakers select Larry Nance Jr. (27th)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 07:46:25 PM
Lakers select Larry Nance Jr. (27th)

Good bench player hopefully. Has hops like his old man.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 25, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
So I was right, just the wrong order, they went big with #27 and then SF with #34.

Decent picks, but let's see what kind of deals ensue.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 09:14:25 PM
So I was right, just the wrong order, they went big with #27 and then SF with #34.

Decent picks, but let's see what kind of deals ensue.

It's going to come down to FA. We need one of the bigs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 09:16:11 PM
Oh word Anthony Brown!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on June 25, 2015, 09:21:57 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 25, 2015, 09:38:22 PM
Dude did the lakers do their homework?  Kobe might have to take this guy out in practice.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DBarraza9/status/614285925854502912
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 26, 2015, 05:42:42 PM
Kobe is irrelevant. He is more negative to the Lakers basketball wise. he is only good at selling tickets.

I hope Lakers can sign a true veteran center who plays defense and protects the rim. Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan are both good candidates to throw max at. Jordan is more likely to get. A starting lineup of Russell, Clarkson, Kobe, Randle and Jordan will be exciting to watch.

I am not that high on Aldridge and Love because both do not play center, and their defense is average at best.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 27, 2015, 12:04:04 AM
Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan are both good..  however, i dont think none of them will come.  time to bring back jordan hill.  :)

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 27, 2015, 05:07:14 AM
Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan are both good..  however, i dont think none of them will come.  time to bring back jordan hill.  :)

Might have a decent shot at deandre.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 27, 2015, 01:16:57 PM
i still prefer okafor..  anyway, russell is probably going to be Lakers superstar/star PG since magic.  (unless you guys want to count in the 2012 nash)..
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 28, 2015, 09:43:48 PM
i am hoping lakers will get greg monroe.  i actually prefer him over marc gasol and deandre jordan.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Jace on June 29, 2015, 11:34:55 AM
Greg avg 15 pts, 10 reb, but no blocks.  he was a beast until drummond.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 29, 2015, 06:29:03 PM
okafor - didn't draft
marc gasol - probably stay in memphis
deandre jordan - probably going to dallas
greg monroe - probably going to NY
lamarcus aldridge - probably going to spurs
demarcus cousin - sac probably wont trade
jordan hill - just wave option.

time to say hello to tyson chandler - OMG, lakers is so F up...

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 29, 2015, 06:38:30 PM
okafor - didn't draft
marc gasol - probably stay in memphis
deandre jordan - probably going to dallas
greg monroe - probably going to NY
lamarcus aldridge - probably going to spurs
demarcus cousin - sac probably wont trade
jordan hill - just wave option.

time to say hello to tyson chandler - OMG, lakers is so F up...



none of those guys are game changers, perhaps marc gasol. do you really want to pay max money for deandre jordan? no. Lamarcus alrdige is good but not a superstar and he is 30. Cousins is interesting, he could be more trouble than he is worth. greg monroe would have been decent at the right price. Jordan hill is jordan hill.

lets not get carried away. next year is the good crop of free agents.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 29, 2015, 06:55:36 PM
lets not get carried away. next year is the good crop of free agents.

lol, that's what they said last year...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 29, 2015, 07:13:10 PM
okafor - didn't draft
marc gasol - probably stay in memphis
deandre jordan - probably going to dallas
greg monroe - probably going to NY
lamarcus aldridge - probably going to spurs
demarcus cousin - sac probably wont trade
jordan hill - just wave option.

time to say hello to tyson chandler - OMG, lakers is so F up...



none of those guys are game changers, perhaps marc gasol. do you really want to pay max money for deandre jordan? no. Lamarcus alrdige is good but not a superstar and he is 30. Cousins is interesting, he could be more trouble than he is worth. greg monroe would have been decent at the right price. Jordan hill is jordan hill.

lets not get carried away. next year is the good crop of free agents.

Max contracts are irrelevant this year. With new tv contract... We will start seeing 30M a year players as the new max. 20M will be a deal. I would sign deandre to max... Which he will get.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 29, 2015, 07:18:05 PM
Jordan will get a max deal but he isn't worth it. What does it say when your current team won't give u the max?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 29, 2015, 08:27:57 PM
Although I think DJ is awesome, I also don't think he's a max player.

I think they should target a mid-level big, no need to spend the money until Kobe is gone.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 29, 2015, 09:11:02 PM
Jordan will get a max deal but he isn't worth it. What does it say when your current team won't give u the max?

They are giving him max. Doc has stated this several times. DJ doesn't want to be second third fiddle.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 29, 2015, 09:12:27 PM
Although I think DJ is awesome, I also don't think he's a max player.

I think they should target a mid-level big, no need to spend the money until Kobe is gone.

Yes but come next year mid level is going to be today's max. Might as well get him for that amount today. Next year... Different game.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 29, 2015, 09:14:27 PM
Oh whttp://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/29/report-lamarcus-aldridge-leaning-toward-signing-with-lakers/hat

i hope this is true

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 29, 2015, 09:16:32 PM
Oh whttp://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/29/report-lamarcus-aldridge-leaning-toward-signing-with-lakers/hat

i hope this is true

I read that also.

Did you know - LA has a summer home in OC.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 29, 2015, 09:19:11 PM
Oh whttp://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/29/report-lamarcus-aldridge-leaning-toward-signing-with-lakers/hat

i hope this is true

I read that also.

Did you know - LA has a summer home in OC.

Yeah read that he was being recruited out here. If he wants to be home so bad why is he not in texas?  Lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 29, 2015, 09:21:51 PM
Although I think DJ is awesome, I also don't think he's a max player.

I think they should target a mid-level big, no need to spend the money until Kobe is gone.

Yes but come next year mid level is going to be today's max. Might as well get him for that amount today. Next year... Different game.
Yes but this year's mid level will be a bargain when the cap goes up.

Buy low, sell high!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 29, 2015, 09:25:36 PM
Although I think DJ is awesome, I also don't think he's a max player.

I think they should target a mid-level big, no need to spend the money until Kobe is gone.

Yes but come next year mid level is going to be today's max. Might as well get him for that amount today. Next year... Different game.
Yes but this year's mid level will be a bargain when the cap goes up.

Buy low, sell high!

Youre only going to find trash at that level. The team can vastly improve. However can we even sign two max players?  Would be nice to get la and dj.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 29, 2015, 09:31:01 PM
There is no big worth max money outside of Anthony Davis.

So just spend mid level on a "trash" one (better than Jordan Hill) and spend max on a good FA like a stretch 4 (LeMarcus or Love).

Randall doesn't have to start, he can be in the 2nd unit with Clarkson.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 29, 2015, 09:38:08 PM
Deandre Jordan at max money is a waste (now or later). He cant even be on the floor in the 4th quarter. He is worth 10-12M/year. Im a fan of how the patriots run their payroll. They dont overpay and arent afraid to let you go.  Look at the Knicks, it was obvious they should not have given Carmelo a max deal, they should not have signed him at all - now he is bad mouthing the organization and the knicks are stuck with him for 4 more years. He isnt a winner, i think Cousins is cut from the same cloth.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 29, 2015, 09:38:55 PM
Jordan will get a max deal but he isn't worth it. What does it say when your current team won't give u the max?

They are giving him max. Doc has stated this several times. DJ doesn't want to be second third fiddle.

not sure if you have noticed but Doc isnt a very good GM.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 29, 2015, 09:58:19 PM
Deandre Jordan at max money is a waste (now or later). He cant even be on the floor in the 4th quarter. He is worth 10-12M/year. Im a fan of how the patriots run their payroll. They dont overpay and arent afraid to let you go.  Look at the Knicks, it was obvious they should not have given Carmelo a max deal, they should not have signed him at all - now he is bad mouthing the organization and the knicks are stuck with him for 4 more years. He isnt a winner, i think Cousins is cut from the same cloth.

i hear you but the team wont get any better. Nfl is not the nba so you cant run it the same way the pats do.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 29, 2015, 10:45:54 PM
again, who will be lakers starting center next season..

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 29, 2015, 10:57:42 PM
again, who will be lakers starting center next season..

Lamarcus


Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on June 29, 2015, 11:25:27 PM
Deandre Jordan at max money is a waste (now or later). He cant even be on the floor in the 4th quarter. He is worth 10-12M/year. Im a fan of how the patriots run their payroll. They dont overpay and arent afraid to let you go.  Look at the Knicks, it was obvious they should not have given Carmelo a max deal, they should not have signed him at all - now he is bad mouthing the organization and the knicks are stuck with him for 4 more years. He isnt a winner, i think Cousins is cut from the same cloth.

i hear you but the team wont get any better. Nfl is not the nba so you cant run it the same way the pats do.

The Spurs remind me of the Patriots.  Both are salary cap leagues. I don't see why they couldn't be run in similar fashion. The pats would have told Kobe not to let the door hit him on the way out. Same thing with wade in Miami. Why in the hell should they give him the 16-18m he wants for three more years?   He plays 50 games a year. Let him test the market, no will offer more than two years for 10m per year and that's if he is lucky.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 29, 2015, 11:28:27 PM
Deandre Jordan at max money is a waste (now or later). He cant even be on the floor in the 4th quarter. He is worth 10-12M/year. Im a fan of how the patriots run their payroll. They dont overpay and arent afraid to let you go.  Look at the Knicks, it was obvious they should not have given Carmelo a max deal, they should not have signed him at all - now he is bad mouthing the organization and the knicks are stuck with him for 4 more years. He isnt a winner, i think Cousins is cut from the same cloth.

i hear you but the team wont get any better. Nfl is not the nba so you cant run it the same way the pats do.

The Spurs remind me of the Patriots.  Both are salary cap leagues. I don't see why they couldn't be run in similar fashion. The pats would have told Kobe not to let the door hit him on the way out. Same thing with wade in Miami. Why in the hell should they give him the 16-18m he wants for three more years?   He plays 50 games a year. Let him test the market, no will offer more than two years for 10m per year and that's if he is lucky.

i assume retirement package...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 30, 2015, 06:34:58 AM
Deandre Jordan at max money is a waste (now or later). He cant even be on the floor in the 4th quarter. He is worth 10-12M/year. Im a fan of how the patriots run their payroll. They dont overpay and arent afraid to let you go.  Look at the Knicks, it was obvious they should not have given Carmelo a max deal, they should not have signed him at all - now he is bad mouthing the organization and the knicks are stuck with him for 4 more years. He isnt a winner, i think Cousins is cut from the same cloth.

i hear you but the team wont get any better. Nfl is not the nba so you cant run it the same way the pats do.

The Spurs remind me of the Patriots.  Both are salary cap leagues. I don't see why they couldn't be run in similar fashion. The pats would have told Kobe not to let the door hit him on the way out. Same thing with wade in Miami. Why in the hell should they give him the 16-18m he wants for three more years?   He plays 50 games a year. Let him test the market, no will offer more than two years for 10m per year and that's if he is lucky.

Because tim duncan is not like shaq or kobe. Less egos in a smaller market. The spurs do a great job but duncan is the glue.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 30, 2015, 12:36:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIuvL52UsAAUqZj.jpg)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on June 30, 2015, 03:41:42 PM
okafor - didn't draft
marc gasol - probably stay in memphis
deandre jordan - probably going to dallas
greg monroe - probably going to NY
lamarcus aldridge - probably going to spurs
demarcus cousin - sac probably wont trade
jordan hill - just wave option.

time to say hello to tyson chandler - OMG, lakers is so F up...

time for omer asik...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 01, 2015, 11:30:09 AM
LA didn't make a strong impression on LA  :(
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
LA didn't make a strong impression on LA  :(

Now I hear they might not get any big name free agent.

Kevin Love just announced he's returning to Cavs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 01, 2015, 11:51:20 AM
no worry iphone (eyephone),  we still have hope for tyson chandler and omer asik  ;)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2015, 12:05:18 PM
How did the Lakers not make a good impresson on Aldridge?

Did Kobe talk? That's probably what did it.


Kobe: I'm not here to be your friend, if you want to be a winner than stop flip flopping and be a Laker... otherwise go to Texas.
LeMarcus: Uh... yeah.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 12:42:34 PM
no worry iphone (eyephone),  we still have hope for tyson chandler and omer asik  ;)

I heard chandler is going to pheonix.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 01, 2015, 01:02:18 PM
lol Love and Chandler are off the table.

Even Tristan Thompson got a $80 million deal. that's way overpaid.

If no DeAndre Jordan....Omer Asik? haha
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 01:10:24 PM
Iman Shepard in the mix with the Lakers.

(Lakers lost the touch?)

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 01, 2015, 01:16:45 PM
free agents just like to use Lakers as leverage. brand name plus big market plus cap space. but in reality no stars want to play with a rebuilding team with so many question marks, and Kobe freaking Bryant. So Lakers probably have to overpay for mediocre players.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 01:28:51 PM
I think I'm getting sick, not because of the flu.

Is it the presentation?

Maybe they need to bring a championship trophy to the presentation.

Maybe have the Lakers Girls there. Have Rick Fox there to talk about life after being a Lakers. (Easy transition to entertainment)

Because right now whatever they are doing it's now working.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 01, 2015, 01:55:42 PM
keep telling you guys we should draft okafor..  now is time to hope for omar asik or robin lopez...   
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 01, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
How did the Lakers not make a good impresson on Aldridge?

Did Kobe talk? That's probably what did it.


Kobe: I'm not here to be your friend, if you want to be a winner than stop flip flopping and be a Laker... otherwise go to Texas.
LeMarcus: Uh... yeah.


holy sh*t,  you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...  https://twitter.com/Mike_Bresnahan/status/616345152391491584
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2015, 02:04:36 PM
See yaliu... you keep listening to Magic when you should be listening to me.

On that Twitter feed someone pointed out that since Kobe has become a dominant Laker they haven't been able to sign any quality free agents (was Nash an FA signing?).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
I think I'm getting sick, not because of the flu.

Is it the presentation?

Maybe they need to bring a championship trophy to the presentation.

Maybe have the Lakers Girls there. Have Rick Fox there to talk about life after being a Lakers. (Easy transition to entertainment)

Because right now whatever they are doing it's now working.

I just read a tweet, the Lakers presentation was heavy on the off court opportunities, and another tweet that it was not Kobe talking that turn people off, it's the organization inabilty to connect with the players.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 01, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIuvL52UsAAUqZj.jpg)

Also...Randle is now Karl Malone and Rusell is Steph Curry/James Harden combined.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 01, 2015, 02:35:46 PM
I think I'm getting sick, not because of the flu.

Is it the presentation?

Maybe they need to bring a championship trophy to the presentation.

Maybe have the Lakers Girls there. Have Rick Fox there to talk about life after being a Lakers. (Easy transition to entertainment)

Because right now whatever they are doing it's now working.

I just read a tweet, the Lakers presentation was heavy on the off court opportunities, and another tweet that it was not Kobe talking that turn people off, it's the organization inabilty to connect with the players.

Lame. Don't they understand that you no longer need to be in Los Angeles (or any big market) to have a brand and be successful? 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2015, 03:11:11 PM
I think I'm getting sick, not because of the flu.

Is it the presentation?

Maybe they need to bring a championship trophy to the presentation.

Maybe have the Lakers Girls there. Have Rick Fox there to talk about life after being a Lakers. (Easy transition to entertainment)

Because right now whatever they are doing it's now working.

I just read a tweet, the Lakers presentation was heavy on the off court opportunities, and another tweet that it was not Kobe talking that turn people off, it's the organization inabilty to connect with the players.

Lame. Don't they understand that you no longer need to be in Los Angeles (or any big market) to have a brand and be successful?

Not necessarily.. LA guys will usually get more money.. unless you are Lebron.  However, Lamarcus will get more money here for ads than most other cities other than NYC.

LaMarcus probably already had his mind made up about SA.. but hearing about what Kobe said to him is a turnoff. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 01, 2015, 03:15:36 PM
I think I'm getting sick, not because of the flu.

Is it the presentation?

Maybe they need to bring a championship trophy to the presentation.

Maybe have the Lakers Girls there. Have Rick Fox there to talk about life after being a Lakers. (Easy transition to entertainment)

Because right now whatever they are doing it's now working.

I just read a tweet, the Lakers presentation was heavy on the off court opportunities, and another tweet that it was not Kobe talking that turn people off, it's the organization inabilty to connect with the players.

Lame. Don't they understand that you no longer need to be in Los Angeles (or any big market) to have a brand and be successful?

Not necessarily.. LA guys will usually get more money.. unless you are Lebron.  However, Lamarcus will get more money here for ads than most other cities other than NYC.

LaMarcus probably already had his mind made up about SA.. but hearing about what Kobe said to him is a turnoff. 

There's that LA logic that gets the Lakers nowhere.  You don't NEED to be in a big market to get big endorsement deals.  What you do need is success.  KD in OKC proves that.

Edit: Carmelo has 15 sponsors, the most in the NBA probably b/c he plays in the biggest market, according to this article (http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/07/30/10-nba-players-with-most-endorsement-deals/) but those 15 sponsors only add up to $9M total.  Now if he actually played on a successful team.....
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2015, 03:22:18 PM
So is DJ all that's left? It's leftovers time.

It will be like 3 years in a row since #stayd12 that the Lakers can't sign a big name free agent?

And no ps9, Lin was neither a big name or a free agent.

Maybe LBJ is going to be a Laker?

#yaliumiracle
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2015, 03:36:54 PM
I think I'm getting sick, not because of the flu.

Is it the presentation?

Maybe they need to bring a championship trophy to the presentation.

Maybe have the Lakers Girls there. Have Rick Fox there to talk about life after being a Lakers. (Easy transition to entertainment)

Because right now whatever they are doing it's now working.

I just read a tweet, the Lakers presentation was heavy on the off court opportunities, and another tweet that it was not Kobe talking that turn people off, it's the organization inabilty to connect with the players.

Lame. Don't they understand that you no longer need to be in Los Angeles (or any big market) to have a brand and be successful?

Not necessarily.. LA guys will usually get more money.. unless you are Lebron.  However, Lamarcus will get more money here for ads than most other cities other than NYC.

LaMarcus probably already had his mind made up about SA.. but hearing about what Kobe said to him is a turnoff. 

There's that LA logic that gets the Lakers nowhere.  You don't NEED to be in a big market to get big endorsement deals.  What you do need is success.  KD in OKC proves that.

Edit: Carmelo has 15 sponsors, the most in the NBA probably b/c he plays in the biggest market, according to this article (http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/07/30/10-nba-players-with-most-endorsement-deals/) but those 15 sponsors only add up to $9M total.  Now if he actually played on a successful team.....

this time that wasn't the issue though.. it was Kobe's logic.. you play second fiddle to him.  So not only will you be getting less from endorsements because you're number 2.. but you're going to feel like you have to cater to Kobe the whole year.  Good grief.. hopefully these rookes can play well this year and get KD up in here.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 01, 2015, 03:50:47 PM
Maybe. maybe not. But the point I'm trying to make is: the lakers are overselling the "big market = more $$$ & more opportunities" when 1) it's not true and 2) that doesn't matter when you don't win.  Why would KD come here?  Hes already top 2 in endorsement money.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2015, 04:00:12 PM
Maybe. maybe not. But the point I'm trying to make is: the lakers are overselling the "big market = more $$$ & more opportunities" when 1) it's not true and 2) that doesn't matter when you don't win.  Why would KD come here?  Hes already top 2 in endorsement money.

Why would anyone go anywhere else?  Lakers still have some lure.. not like before but they will eventually come back.  They need to get this team better.. and have Kobe off the team.  Also, people still love living in So Cal.

More money and more opportunities is true.. .because LA is not KD.. nor will he ever be.  There a only a few players that can command endorsements like that. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 01, 2015, 04:04:04 PM
Maybe. maybe not. But the point I'm trying to make is: the lakers are overselling the "big market = more $$$ & more opportunities" when 1) it's not true and 2) that doesn't matter when you don't win.  Why would KD come here?  Hes already top 2 in endorsement money.

Why would anyone go anywhere else?  Lakers still have some lure.. not like before but they will eventually come back.  They need to get this team better.. and have Kobe off the team.  Also, people still love living in So Cal.

More money and more opportunities is true.. .because LA is not KD.. nor will he ever be.  There a only a few players that can command endorsements like that. 

Well good luck with that. Everyone and their mother wants KD and based on the recent laker track record in attracting free agents, I would hold off on naming your kid KD or getting a KD tat.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 04:08:29 PM
Players still out
1. DJ
2. Tobias Harris
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2015, 04:09:25 PM
Maybe. maybe not. But the point I'm trying to make is: the lakers are overselling the "big market = more $$$ & more opportunities" when 1) it's not true and 2) that doesn't matter when you don't win.  Why would KD come here?  Hes already top 2 in endorsement money.

Why would anyone go anywhere else?  Lakers still have some lure.. not like before but they will eventually come back.  They need to get this team better.. and have Kobe off the team.  Also, people still love living in So Cal.

More money and more opportunities is true.. .because LA is not KD.. nor will he ever be.  There a only a few players that can command endorsements like that. 

Well good luck with that. Everyone and their mother wants KD and based on the recent laker track record in attracting free agents, I would hold off on naming your kid KD or getting a KD tat.

I'm done with kids.. and yes I have the wishful thinking for KD.  I think the big downfall was the loss of Jerry Buss.  Such a playboy and he really just sold the image based on his life.  His son is not like that and his daughter is more of a business person.  Would like to see some of that swagger come back.. but we need to win again.  Probably will have to do it via draft and mid level FA signings. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2015, 04:10:00 PM
Players still out
1. DJ
2. Tobias Harris

is Tobias any good?

DJ is going to be a Mav.  Him and Chandler parsons have been hanging out every night. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 01, 2015, 04:10:51 PM
Prob need to get a new coach too to attract KD. Right?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2015, 04:15:29 PM
Prob need to get a new coach too to attract KD. Right?

probably.. Tim Tib?  I think the Lakers will have more pull once Kobe leaves.  He still wants to be top dawg this year but he's on his last leg.  That turns players off. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 01, 2015, 04:23:46 PM
Lakers are in a bind. They need Kobe to drive ticket and merchandise sales when they are rebuilding, and they also want to show future FAs that they take care off their franchise players when they get old and near retirement.

But Kobe is a me first player and can longer stay healthy and be dominant. For FAs worth max contract, they will not come to LA to be Kobe's second fiddle and endure a couple of losing seasons.

LA better preserves the cap space this year by not overpaying and sticking to short term deals and once Kobe is gone, they can sign a couple max players to pair with their young core of Randle, Clarkson and Russell.

Goal for 2015-2016 is to tank for the top 3 pick.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2015, 04:33:40 PM
Lakers are in a bind. They need Kobe to drive ticket and merchandise sales when they are rebuilding, and they also want to show future FAs that they take care off their franchise players when they get old and near retirement.

But Kobe is a me first player and can longer stay healthy and be dominant. For FAs worth max contract, they will not come to LA to be Kobe's second fiddle and endure a couple of losing seasons.

LA better preserves the cap space this year by not overpaying and sticking to short term deals and once Kobe is gone, they can sign a couple max players to pair with their young core of Randle, Clarkson and Russell.

Goal for 2015-2016 is to tank for the top 3 pick.

we need to be top 3 right.. or lose it to the suns?  I hope this team can somehow slip into the middle rounds.. the pick wouldn't hurt that much.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2015, 05:48:25 PM
So for yaliu the Kobe lover who doesn't think Kobe is the problem, contrast the Lakers' inability to acquire free agents to the Spurs... Dwight left, Pau left... Duncan stays, Kawhi stays, Green stays.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 01, 2015, 06:03:00 PM
Kobe is definitely the problem. Sports is not about loyalty, it's about winning.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 01, 2015, 06:12:00 PM
So for yaliu the Kobe lover who doesn't think Kobe is the problem, contrast the Lakers' inability to acquire free agents to the Spurs... Dwight left, Pau left... Duncan stays, Kawhi stays, Green stays.

kobehater...  :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 01, 2015, 06:51:24 PM
IMO. Laker issues extend beyond Kobe.  This article agrees. Too lazy to copy paste but interesting read on why playing in LA isn't the end all be all laker fans make it out to be.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/the-lakers-lost-out-on-lamarcus-aldridge-by-being-the-lakers-222248637.html
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2015, 08:47:14 PM
IMO. Laker issues extend beyond Kobe.  This article agrees. Too lazy to copy paste but interesting read on why playing in LA isn't the end all be all laker fans make it out to be.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/the-lakers-lost-out-on-lamarcus-aldridge-by-being-the-lakers-222248637.html

franchise still has a ways to go to recover from the Jerry era.  Need to start winning games.. then provide the entire package. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 10:02:45 PM
I just read a tweet: lakers are probably not going to land DJ.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2015, 10:09:46 PM
I just read a tweet: lakers are probably not going to land DJ.

Guaranteed he's going mavs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 01, 2015, 10:34:19 PM
omfg, even asik is gone....  time for robin lopez
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 01, 2015, 10:36:37 PM
Pierce reunites with Doc Rivers, might as well add some green to the jersey
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2015, 10:44:08 PM
I'm telling you guys, Greg Monroe.

Has the other Gasol signed with anyone yet?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 01, 2015, 10:47:09 PM
Gasol staying with Memphis, meeting with DJ tonight, but I doubt he'll switch locker rooms
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 11:13:05 PM
Even the clips are making moves, I heard Paul Pierce is going to sign with the clips.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2015, 11:22:44 PM
Even the clips are making moves, I heard Paul Pierce is going to sign with the clips.
That's a done deal, 3 years for $10m with the 3rd year being a team option.

They were supposed to do it if they got DJ but I guess they decided to go forward anyways.

They also got Lance Stephenson in a trade.

Sorry purple and gold, unless you can sign a good FA, even if the Clips lose DJ, they are probably still a better team.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 01, 2015, 11:36:30 PM
I'm telling you guys, Greg Monroe.

Has the other Gasol signed with anyone yet?

IHO, you gave lakers too much credit...  robin lopez.  9 mil this year and team option 9mil next year.  yeah, that's right that he is just another jordan hill
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 11:38:02 PM
I'm telling you guys, Greg Monroe.

Has the other Gasol signed with anyone yet?

IHO, you gave lakers too much credit...  robin lopez.  9 mil this year and team option 9mil next year.  yeah, that's right that he is just another jordan hill

I'll take Davis over both of them.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Just make an offer for Tobias Harris.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 08:24:58 AM
Monroe to Milwaukee... why would you rather play there than in LA?

#KobeEffect
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 02, 2015, 08:32:57 AM
Bucks were .500 last season. Lakers, well...

#winning

What the lakers need is to trade for jerry west. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 02, 2015, 09:05:36 AM
Gasol will be back to Memphis.
Aldridge will likely sign with Spurs.
DeAndre Jordan will either go to Dallas or stay

Knicks will overpay for Robin Lopez.

Lakers will have no choice but to bring back and overpay Ed Davis for a short term contract. Maybe bring back Jordan Hill and Boozer...and Jemerey Lin for backup PG.

LOL. that's pretty sad if Davis, Hill, Boozer and Lin are back to the team next season

They really need to work hard and get lucky to get a top 3 pick (worst record only guarantees 4th pick), otherwise the pick will go to 76ers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 09:16:23 AM
Someone has to update this for the 15/16 Free Agent fiasco:
(http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/10636147_797509800306438_228975142650928595_n1.jpg)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 02, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
Someone has to update this for the 15/16 Free Agent fiasco:
(http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/10636147_797509800306438_228975142650928595_n1.jpg)

But but there's still bron bron
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 02, 2015, 09:29:04 AM
As a Warriors fan...I'm glad they re-signed Green (for a little more than I would have liked but still okay...) 

If they can get rid of Lee and pick up David West...successful offseason!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 09:36:04 AM
Someone has to update this for the 15/16 Free Agent fiasco:
(http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/10636147_797509800306438_228975142650928595_n1.jpg)

I'm sick...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 09:44:52 AM
Another thing I heard, is there might be a possibly to bring Magic Johnson ownership stake. (Rumor but make sense) Since he is a NBA legend and great amazing speaker. Magic is the type of person when he talks you want to listen, he's honest, and a lot of people respect him.


Because this management team recruiting players - not cutting it.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 02, 2015, 09:49:30 AM
Another thing I heard, is there might be a possibly to bring Magic Johnson ownership stake. (Rumor but make sense) Since he is a NBA legend and great amazing speaker. Magic is the type of person when he talks you want to listen, he's honest, and a lot of people respect him.


Because this management team recruiting players - not cutting it.

They don't need him to be on the management team to bring him in.  Honestly, I think that the two biggest issues are 1) Kobe and 2) Lakers are in rebuild mode while most FAs want to win now.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 09:52:22 AM
Another thing I heard, is there might be a possibly to bring Magic Johnson ownership stake. (Rumor but make sense) Since he is a NBA legend and great amazing speaker. Magic is the type of person when he talks you want to listen, he's honest, and a lot of people respect him.


Because this management team recruiting players - not cutting it.

They don't need him to be on the management team to bring him in.  Honestly, I think that the two biggest issues are 1) Kobe and 2) Lakers are in rebuild mode while most FAs want to win now.

Last year - when Magic j was part of the presentation to Carmelo. Carmelo was really impressed. But I guess $ was the factor. (Extra year)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 10:31:02 AM
Lakers offered max to Monroe.

Heh, saw a joke on Twitter that free agents would rather play in the WNBA than on the Lakers or Knicks.

LBJ should just make everyone's head explode and sign a 1-year contract with the Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 10:59:26 AM
Lakers offered max to Monroe.

Heh, saw a joke on Twitter that free agents would rather play in the WNBA than on the Lakers or Knicks.

LBJ should just make everyone's head explode and sign a 1-year contract with the Lakers.

I still think Lebron should of stayed in Miami. I believe he would of got more rings vs going to Cleveland.



Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 02, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
Lakers offered max to Monroe.

Heh, saw a joke on Twitter that free agents would rather play in the WNBA than on the Lakers or Knicks.

LBJ should just make everyone's head explode and sign a 1-year contract with the Lakers.

I still think Lebron should of stayed in Miami. I believe he would of got more rings vs going to Cleveland.

No way...Love and Kyrie with Thompson and Mosgov are much better than whatever Miami has.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 11:46:43 AM
Yep, young Kyrie better than old Wade... Love better than Bosh... Thompson, Mosgov better than Birdman.

And OH is LBJ's home.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 12:11:21 PM
Ed Davis going to Portland.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 12:18:14 PM
Lakers offered max to Monroe.

Heh, saw a joke on Twitter that free agents would rather play in the WNBA than on the Lakers or Knicks.

LBJ should just make everyone's head explode and sign a 1-year contract with the Lakers.

I still think Lebron should of stayed in Miami. I believe he would of got more rings vs going to Cleveland.

No way...Love and Kyrie with Thompson and Mosgov are much better than whatever Miami has.

I disagree. I believe if it was Miami with healthy Bosh and Lebron vs GS; Miami would of beaten GS in the Finals.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 02, 2015, 01:01:06 PM
Man. Lakers better not pick up wade...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 01:07:36 PM
Rumor - lakers have a second meeting with Lakers

Bam!!!!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 02, 2015, 01:14:45 PM
There has been a big push against big market teams since the new cba... Particularly on the lakers. Nix trades. Fa leaking presentations. The nba wants these small market teams to come.

As laker fans... We have to just wait it out.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 02, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
haha Ed Davis is gone.

Jordan Hill probably doesn't want to come back after the Lakers declined the team option (pretty stupid move in hindsight)

Now only legit center left in FA they can target is Robin Lopez who the Knicks are coveting as well. Either you overpay for Lopez or having Black (who?) or Sacre (LOL) as their starting center next year.

but not all hope is lost. Maybe they can throw max at DeAndre Jordan and see if he bites.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 01:23:01 PM
haha Ed Davis is gone.

Jordan Hill probably doesn't want to come back after the Lakers declined the team option (pretty stupid move in hindsight)

Now only legit center left in FA they can target is Robin Lopez who the Knicks are coveting as well. Either you overpay for Lopez or having Black (who?) or Sacre (LOL) as their starting center next year.

but not all hope is lost. Maybe they can throw max at DeAndre Jordan and see if he bites.

They have another meeting with Lamarcus.
(But they might fall short again)

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 01:26:40 PM
Rumor: LA cancels meeting with Knicks today.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 02, 2015, 01:30:50 PM
Maybe Kobe will shut up this time
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 02, 2015, 01:33:49 PM
Lakers will have to be a center less team. Run and gun, they have a bunch of young legs minus Kobe.
They shouldn't overpay for a center, what's the point, they won't be a contender, if they stink another year, pick up a big man at lottery or next years crop of FA

I'd like to see this mediocre presentation. Like a poorly made PowerPoint slide with video clips of the old championships and pics of Beverly Hills.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 02, 2015, 01:37:45 PM
Or worse yet, it's a 90 min presentation of a tribute to Kobe showing all his highlights. Hahaha
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 02:30:16 PM
If that 2nd meeting with LMA is true, they should not let Kobe go and just send the rookie DeAngelo Russell:


Russell: Dude, it's just one year... then it's *OUR* team.
LMA: Hmmm... but Kobe will still be my neighbor.
Russell: Just move to Hidden Canyon.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 02, 2015, 02:31:13 PM
rumor has it Lakers are interested to trade for David Lee as 1 year rental to fill their cap space if they cannot land any of the top FA targets.

Not a bad idea if they can get 1st round pick from that (aka J. Lin trade), even though from GSW the pick will be very low.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 02, 2015, 02:36:23 PM
rumor has it Lakers are interested to trade for David Lee as 1 year rental to fill their cap space if they cannot land any of the top FA targets.

Not a bad idea if they can get 1st round pick from that (aka J. Lin trade), even though from GSW the pick will be very low.

That would be awesome coming from a Warriors' fan!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 02:40:28 PM
So the Knicks were able to sign Afflalo, which means they are one up on the Lakers (and he's from UCLA too).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 02, 2015, 02:41:23 PM
#LAtoLA

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7713580?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 02:53:36 PM
They should make a new one:

#AnyFAtoLA
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 02, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
crazy how the media is on the Lakers case these days. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 02, 2015, 03:36:07 PM
Rumor - lakers have a second meeting with Lakers

Bam!!!!

what???  my english is NOT bad.  i dont understand this sentence at all.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 02, 2015, 03:36:55 PM
as a lakers fan, i have just one sentence to IHO.

#thereisalwaysnextyear  :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 02, 2015, 03:37:00 PM
Rumor - lakers have a second meeting with Lakers

Bam!!!!

what???  my english is NOT bad.  i dont understand this sentence at all.

Portland center LaMarcus Aldridge will meet with the Lakers on Thursday in Los Angeles, according to a league source familiar with the situation. The discussion will center on basketball, a league source said. Wasserman Media Group had dismissed various reports that said Aldridge had ruled the Lakers out, tweeting out on Wednesday that Aldridge “has not made any decisions yet. All reports to the contrary are false & he looks forward to sharing his plans soon.” But those outlets outlined in detail that Aldridge apparently was not impressed with the Lakers’ basketball presentation.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 03:37:25 PM
Rumor - lakers have a second meeting with Lakers

Bam!!!!

what???  my english is NOT bad.  i dont understand this sentence at all.

I don't know it's true or not: but there are tweets that the lakers will have another meeting with Lamarcus.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 02, 2015, 03:39:23 PM
Rumor - lakers have a second meeting with Lakers

Bam!!!!

what???  my english is NOT bad.  i dont understand this sentence at all.

I don't know it's true or not: but there are tweets that the lakers will have another meeting with Lamarcus.

Yeah bunch of tweets.  Man bring in Magic and Kareen... let's close the DEAL.   Is shaq around?  come on.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 02, 2015, 03:41:01 PM
Quote
LaMarcus Aldridge has cancelled his meeting with the Knicks.
Aldridge's meeting with the Knicks was cancelled once LaMarcus realized that they wanted him to play center in New York, which is reportedly something he adamantly opposes. He will, however, have a second meeting with the Lakers on Thursday. Aldridge felt that the first meeting with the Lakers was too focused on non-basketball things, and the Lakers would like to rectify that. Mitch Kupchak and Byron Scott will participate in the pitch, but it still feels like they're a long shot to woo LaMarcus.

does Lakers just need a center....  where is okafor....
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 02, 2015, 03:46:11 PM
Quote
LaMarcus Aldridge has cancelled his meeting with the Knicks.
Aldridge's meeting with the Knicks was cancelled once LaMarcus realized that they wanted him to play center in New York, which is reportedly something he adamantly opposes. He will, however, have a second meeting with the Lakers on Thursday. Aldridge felt that the first meeting with the Lakers was too focused on non-basketball things, and the Lakers would like to rectify that. Mitch Kupchak and Byron Scott will participate in the pitch, but it still feels like they're a long shot to woo LaMarcus.

does Lakers just need a center....  where is okafor....

Okafor is going to be an average big man.

The Lakers needed to replace their entire team.. doesn't matter which position it was. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 02, 2015, 03:50:37 PM
@IHO, go try out for lakers center position.

as lakers center,
rebound - if you are under the rim and no one else is around you, grab the rebound.
if you are the under the rim and your teammate is around you, let your teammate grab the rebound
if you are the under the rim and your opponent is around you, pretend you try to grab the rebound and let your opponent grab the rebound

offense - if you have the ball and the clock is more than 5 second.  dont shoot and pass the ball to kobe.
if you have the ball and the clock is LESS than 5 second.  dont shoot and pass the ball to kobe.

Hack - if you see duncan, howard, AI and etc.  hack them.  everyone else, DONT DO IT.

block -  skip this section because it does NOT apply to you.

charge - if you see someone running at you with full speed, TAKE the CHARGE.  me, J$, qwerty will LOVE to see what will happen.  look at other side, your salary will be over ONE MILLION DOLLAR.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 02, 2015, 04:01:04 PM
Mark Medina ‏@MarkG_Medina 1m1 minute ago

I'm told Lakers have expressed interest in Amare Stoudemire & Jason Smith

LOL when it has come down to this. Amare Stoudmire and Jason Smith to play center?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
It makes sense that LMA doesn't want to play center, but that means Lakers have another position to fill.

Or just use Nance "Sir Kobe Sir" Jr as a 5... or as I've said before, sign a mid-level big (is Koufos available?). Forget DJ, his max salary isn't going to be worth it.

I'll even take Robin Lopez at this point.

I actually like LMA quite a bit, he may not be a ring building block but he's a good player with a good demeanor. If Russell pans out and the Lakers can sign another FA next year, they may not be far from glory days.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 02, 2015, 04:10:53 PM
I'm telling you guys, Greg Monroe.

Has the other Gasol signed with anyone yet?

IHO, you gave lakers too much credit...  robin lopez.  9 mil this year and team option 9mil next year.  yeah, that's right that he is just another jordan hill


I'll even take Robin Lopez at this point.

finally, we are on the same page..
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 04:13:29 PM
That's why I said it. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 02, 2015, 04:29:57 PM
IHO - the way things are going u could probably get a one year contract with the lakers :-)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 04:34:04 PM
IHO - the way things are going u could probably get a one year contract with the lakers :-)
Not with Kobe on the team.

Maybe next year. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2015, 04:42:29 PM
Another suggestion I heard:
Ask Lamarcus, who does he want as a coach.


(Do whatever it takes to get him signed)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 02, 2015, 04:53:06 PM
Kosta Koufos is not a bad choice...  he is young and good body...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
he is young and good body...
That's what USCT said!

#hadto
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 09:37:19 PM
Well... looks like Robin Lopez is going to the Knicks as long as DJ doesn't go there.

Who's left?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 02, 2015, 10:22:49 PM
Boozer, Amare, Jordan Hill, Koufos, Kanters, Scola, Bargnani, Henry Sims, Seraphin, Larry Sanders, Biyombo, McGee, Perkins, Cole Aldrich, Emeka Okafor, Greg Smith, Glenn Davis, Jason Smith

Well... looks like Robin Lopez is going to the Knicks as long as DJ doesn't go there.

Who's left?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 02, 2015, 10:30:11 PM
From that list, I like Koufos, Kanters, Seraphin and Sanders.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 12:14:03 AM
ESPN reporters need to stop talking about analytics.

The 76ers, uses analytics for the following: how they practice, what they eat, how they sleep, and how they play. Tell me how analytics helped out the 76ers. (Besides getting high draft pics lol)

Give me a break.





Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 03, 2015, 04:00:49 AM
ESPN reporters need to stop talking about analytics.

The 76ers, uses analytics for the following: how they practice, what they eat, how they sleep, and how they play. Tell me how analytics helped out the 76ers. (Besides getting high draft pics lol)

Give me a break.

Its crazy. Why such a hot topic this year?  Just funny how the media spins things.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 06:23:28 AM
It's basketball you can see with your eyes who can play or can't. I just heard Brian windhorst yesterday mention how Lebron used analytics to stop taking long 2 point shots. My favorite college hoops team is Kentucky, I started watching them when Jamal mashburn played for them. I was about 14 years old and Kentucky was already launching threes back in the day. It drove me nuts to see Kentucky players take a two point shot just inches inside the three point line. I was 14 and didn't analytics to tell me the long 2 is a horrible shot. Same thing with the effective shooting %, I've been doing that math since I was a little kid because it's obvious. These teams hire Ivy League nerds who don't know shit about sports and try to use the data to win?
Like Charles Barkley said, the analytics guys are the nerds who couldn't get a date in high school.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 06:29:35 AM
It's basketball you can see with your eyes who can play or can't. I just heard Brian windhorst yesterday mention how Lebron used analytics to stop taking long 2 point shots. My favorite college hoops team is Kentucky, I started watching them when Jamal mashburn played for them. I was about 14 years old and Kentucky was already launching threes back in the day. It drove me nuts to see Kentucky players take a two point shot just inches inside the three point line. I was 14 and didn't analytics to tell me the long 2 is a horrible shot. Same thing with the effective shooting %, I've been doing that math since I was a little kid because it's obvious. These teams hire Ivy League nerds who don't know shit about sports and try to use the data to win?
Like Charles Barkley said, the analytics guys are the nerds who couldn't get a date in high school.



But but:
"Analytics say signing a 35-year-old coming off an Achilles tear to a two-year, $48.5 million extension is always a bad idea—"
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 03, 2015, 06:52:18 AM
It's basketball you can see with your eyes who can play or can't. I just heard Brian windhorst yesterday mention how Lebron used analytics to stop taking long 2 point shots. My favorite college hoops team is Kentucky, I started watching them when Jamal mashburn played for them. I was about 14 years old and Kentucky was already launching threes back in the day. It drove me nuts to see Kentucky players take a two point shot just inches inside the three point line. I was 14 and didn't analytics to tell me the long 2 is a horrible shot. Same thing with the effective shooting %, I've been doing that math since I was a little kid because it's obvious. These teams hire Ivy League nerds who don't know shit about sports and try to use the data to win?
Like Charles Barkley said, the analytics guys are the nerds who couldn't get a date in high school.



But but:
"Analytics say signing a 35-year-old coming off an Achilles tear to a two-year, $48.5 million extension is always a bad idea—"

We had a great run. Im good with rewarding kobe. We will move on.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 07:56:27 AM
Yeah that clearly wasn't a basketball decision. And not a good business decision either.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 03, 2015, 08:12:29 AM
You know what's crazy to me is the overpay excuse I always hear is that the Lakers need to continue to sell tickets and merchandise and that's what Kobe does for them.

Uh... Kobe hasn't played in two full seasons yet ratings, tickets sales, and merchandise sales are still high (although they broke their sellout streak at Staples). Even when the Lakers are losing, they are still highly followed. I understand the loyalty thing but I would have made the hard decision of just paying him at his value and if he bolts, he bolts. Instead, not only did the Lakers overpay, but they didn't even get 82 games out of him... and they can't get any good free agents because of his contract and his saltiness.

Lakers could have rebuilt more quickly, but instead it gets delayed for 2 years and $50m... bleh.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 09:39:36 AM
You know what's crazy to me is the overpay excuse I always hear is that the Lakers need to continue to sell tickets and merchandise and that's what Kobe does for them.

Uh... Kobe hasn't played in two full seasons yet ratings, tickets sales, and merchandise sales are still high (although they broke their sellout streak at Staples). Even when the Lakers are losing, they are still highly followed. I understand the loyalty thing but I would have made the hard decision of just paying him at his value and if he bolts, he bolts. Instead, not only did the Lakers overpay, but they didn't even get 82 games out of him... and they can't get any good free agents because of his contract and his saltiness.

Lakers could have rebuilt more quickly, but instead it gets delayed for 2 years and $50m... bleh.

Miami just overpaid for Wade. $20 mil for 1 year. Not as bad as Kobe's but still.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 03, 2015, 10:21:17 AM
$20 mill for 1 year is a great deal. basically rewarding your best franchise player ever, holding the cap space for 2016.

Kobe's $25+ mill per year contract, not so much.

So it is apparently the Lakers will not field a competitive team next year. Kobe or Nick Young at SF may not work defensively, and their front court PF+C is probably the worst ever in the entire NBA history. They should tank hard, and try out as many young NBDL players as possible. maybe they can find a diamond in rough or two. No more crappy veterans like Boozer and Lin; Boozer and Lin have some name recognition but they suck as basketball players.

Preserve cap room, tank hard, develop young players, find a sucker for Nick Young and when both Young and Kobe are gone, with a young nucleus of Clarkson, Russel, Randle, a couple young solid role players, plus 2~3 max slots, they should be able to sign 2 or 3 all-stars in the same off season and be back in contention



You know what's crazy to me is the overpay excuse I always hear is that the Lakers need to continue to sell tickets and merchandise and that's what Kobe does for them.

Uh... Kobe hasn't played in two full seasons yet ratings, tickets sales, and merchandise sales are still high (although they broke their sellout streak at Staples). Even when the Lakers are losing, they are still highly followed. I understand the loyalty thing but I would have made the hard decision of just paying him at his value and if he bolts, he bolts. Instead, not only did the Lakers overpay, but they didn't even get 82 games out of him... and they can't get any good free agents because of his contract and his saltiness.

Lakers could have rebuilt more quickly, but instead it gets delayed for 2 years and $50m... bleh.

Miami just overpaid for Wade. $20 mil for 1 year. Not as bad as Kobe's but still.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 10:22:54 AM
Lakers recently contacted Rondo. (At this point get what you can?)

Also, Lakers interested in Amare S. (Shakes head)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 03, 2015, 10:28:02 AM
I think Lakers should try to preserve cap space and get rid of Swaggy P's contract by trying to trade him + 2nd round picks for David Lee AND/Or Nene. GS and Washington can save some tax bills, right?

Rondo for 1 year contract is OK.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 10:37:24 AM
$20m for wade is not a great deal. Both the heat and lakers are stupid. One team was dumb enough to overpay for one year the other for two.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 10:40:38 AM
$20m for wade is not a great deal. Both the heat and lakers are stupid. One team was dumb enough to overpay for one year the other for two.

Exactly. I think the fmv (fair market value) for Wade is $5mil- $10 mil max/high end.

So I heard the heat met with LA. Pay Riley had Dinner with LA. The only way I see LA going to the heat is a sign and trade.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 10:40:47 AM
If honestly would rather see IHO on the the lakers than any of the garbage that is left. Randle and the new PG better show they are good building blocks to attract free agents next year. Also, as soon as the season is over the lakers need to say they are not resigning kobe(assuming he hasn't announced his retirement by then). If the lakers don't announce they are not resigning him and Kobe drags out his retirement decision it will hurt their chances of signing Durant, etc
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 03, 2015, 10:51:05 AM
Man... that's 2 for me as a Laker.

Tell Kobe to retire before the season starts and it's a done deal.

:)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 10:57:05 AM
It's interesting how mid level talent are starting to go small markets. ( ex. Ellis to Indiana, Monroe to Milwaukee) Because at the end of the day, endorsements/fans/press coverage is not there)

But I can see why they are not going to the Lakers or Knicks. The coach, management style, and roster not good.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 03, 2015, 11:16:34 AM
It's basketball you can see with your eyes who can play or can't. I just heard Brian windhorst yesterday mention how Lebron used analytics to stop taking long 2 point shots. My favorite college hoops team is Kentucky, I started watching them when Jamal mashburn played for them. I was about 14 years old and Kentucky was already launching threes back in the day. It drove me nuts to see Kentucky players take a two point shot just inches inside the three point line. I was 14 and didn't analytics to tell me the long 2 is a horrible shot. Same thing with the effective shooting %, I've been doing that math since I was a little kid because it's obvious. These teams hire Ivy League nerds who don't know shit about sports and try to use the data to win?
Like Charles Barkley said, the analytics guys are the nerds who couldn't get a date in high school.

That's  a complete oversimplification of analytics...Warriors, SA, Trailblazers, and many top teams heavily employ analytics.

Baseball was the first spoert to embrace analytics and it's an indispensable part of just about every front office.

Barkley also said that a jumpshooting team like the Warriors can't win a championship.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 03, 2015, 11:28:34 AM
It's basketball you can see with your eyes who can play or can't. I just heard Brian windhorst yesterday mention how Lebron used analytics to stop taking long 2 point shots. My favorite college hoops team is Kentucky, I started watching them when Jamal mashburn played for them. I was about 14 years old and Kentucky was already launching threes back in the day. It drove me nuts to see Kentucky players take a two point shot just inches inside the three point line. I was 14 and didn't analytics to tell me the long 2 is a horrible shot. Same thing with the effective shooting %, I've been doing that math since I was a little kid because it's obvious. These teams hire Ivy League nerds who don't know shit about sports and try to use the data to win?
Like Charles Barkley said, the analytics guys are the nerds who couldn't get a date in high school.

That's  a complete oversimplification of analytics...Warriors, SA, Trailblazers, and many top teams heavily employ analytics.

Baseball was the first spoert to embrace analytics and it's an indispensable part of just about every front office.

Barkley also said that a jumpshooting team like the Warriors can't win a championship.

Before or after kyrie and love being out. 
Lbj took 2, almost 3 games minus them
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 11:37:39 AM
@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers? 

Talent wins titles, not analytics.

That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs :-)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 03, 2015, 11:43:47 AM
@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers? 

Talent wins titles, not analytics.

That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs :-)

Analytics is not a magic potion and not used to the same effects by every team.  Analytics play a big part in drafting players and finding bargain players.  It is not a coincidence that SA keep finding great players in the draft or pick up the right FAs

Lakers would be helped if they used analytics. 

You sound like the old school scouts in Moneyball.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 03, 2015, 11:54:11 AM
Well, they need to get into conference finals or finals in the next 2 years or ms buss will fire her bro

2 years, haha
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 12:04:27 PM
Qwerty is just anti-analytics bc "let's go staff our analytics department with USC grads" -said no NBA owner/front office ever.  The nerds can't jump. Gotta let them be apart of sports somehow.  :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 03, 2015, 12:12:43 PM
I think analytics are more useful in sports like baseball (ie Moneyball) where there are so many variables and positions that aren't as directly related to winning.

Basketball out of the big 3 (4 if you count hockey) has the least number of players on the court/field so talent has a larger impact. You can have 2 or 3 really good players and that makes a winning team, but in baseball if you have the 2 best outfielders... not that much.... or in football, the best kicker and center but those aren't key positions.

This doesn't mean that analytics is not important in basketball, but you do have to combine that with the talent factor. I don't think anyone is going to claim that analytics produced Duncan or now Kawhi... and no stats junkie predicted Draymond Green.

Even in fantasy basketball, everyone tries to do moneyball or sabremetrics in Auction drafts but in the end, it's the team with the stars that usually wins.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 12:17:36 PM
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 03, 2015, 12:18:26 PM
I think analytics are more useful in sports like baseball (ie Moneyball) where there are so many variables and positions that aren't as directly related to winning.

Basketball out of the big 3 (4 if you count hockey) has the least number of players on the court/field so talent has a larger impact. You can have 2 or 3 really good players and that makes a winning team, but in baseball if you have the 2 best outfielders... not that much.... or in football, the best kicker and center but those aren't key positions.

This doesn't mean that analytics is not important in basketball, but you do have to combine that with the talent factor. I don't think anyone is going to claim that analytics produced Duncan or now Kawhi... and no stats junkie predicted Draymond Green.

Even in fantasy basketball, everyone tries to do moneyball or sabremetrics in Auction drafts but in the end, it's the team with the stars that usually wins.

Analytics is changing FOs and talent drafting...in a league with slary caps, it is very important to figure where and who to invest in and who you can pick up on the cheap.  Warriors built a 10 man playing rotation and avoided their stars from being overworked.  It's the present and future...thise who ignore analytics will be left in the dust.

Yes talent is important but the question is who you acquire such talent with limited resources.  Plenty of people mocked (and still mock) analytics in baseball...they are the ones who don't get how analytics can make teams that much better
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 03, 2015, 12:30:46 PM
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Thise owners are bringing in new ways of thinking and analysis while the Lakers are stuck in "We are LA and everyone wants to come here" mentality.

Lakers picks better pan out or else it's going to be a long rebuilding process.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 12:36:20 PM
@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers? 

Talent wins titles, not analytics.

That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs :-)

True that. If you don't have talent and a good coach, you can't win. (Throw in a good management team)

It's like the Raiders using analytics, they will still fall short.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 03, 2015, 12:40:30 PM
@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers? 

Talent wins titles, not analytics.

That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs :-)

True that. If you don't have talent and a good coach, you can't win. (Throw in a good management team)

It's like the Raiders using analytics, they will still fall short.

What do youguys  think analytics is used for?  It is to acquire goood coaches and talent.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 12:43:18 PM
@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers? 

Talent wins titles, not analytics.

That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs :-)

True that. If you don't have talent and a good coach, you can't win. (Throw in a good management team)

It's like the Raiders using analytics, they will still fall short.

What do youguys  think analytics is used for?  It is to acquire goood coaches and talent.

That's why the lakers overpay Bryon Scott $4.2m a year to not use analytics :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 12:56:33 PM
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Since you seem like a 76ers fan, maybe you can explain why they drafted three centers in a row.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 03, 2015, 12:57:24 PM
i can explain.  b/c big wins championship...  :)

also, it is easier to trade a big for small.  however, it is much more difficult vice versa.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 01:00:22 PM
i can explain.  b/c big wins championship...  :)

also, it is easier to trade a big for small.  however, it is much more difficult vice versa.

Ha 3 bigs doesn't equal championship.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 01:02:59 PM
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Since you seem like a 76ers fan, maybe you can explain why they drafted three centers in a row.


I have no affinity towards any NBA team.  I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics.  The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.

Are analytics overrated or underrated?  I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care.  So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 01:04:28 PM
The rockets and their nerd GM are big into analytics. When did they become contenders, when they got howard and the beard. Did analytics tell them to go get those two?  Give me a break. Stevie wonder could have told them harden and Howard would make them better.

U use analytics when u don't have talent to try to find some crown jewel in the garbage. How often does that work out?  As other have said, analytics could be helpful but without talent analytics will not do you any good.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 01:05:15 PM
Well, they need to get into conference finals or finals in the next 2 years or ms buss will fire her bro

2 years, haha

He should be fired now.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 01:06:44 PM
Ok so you pro analytics people give me some hoops analytics that are helpful? Make me a believer
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 01:09:22 PM
Ok so you pro analytics people give me some hoops analytics that are helpful? Make me a believer

What's the point?  We all know Mexicans don't believe in analytics.  Moreno just fired his GM over it.  He sided with old school scioscia :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 01:12:39 PM
Analytics will trick u into believing certain players are better than they just like when receivers play with Brady. It is the Lebron/shaq effect. Their games make their team mates much better, probably improve their efficiency ratio then they get a nice contract somewhere else then they can't play.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Since you seem like a 76ers fan, maybe you can explain why they drafted three centers in a row.


I have no affinity towards any NBA team.  I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics.  The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.

Are analytics overrated or underrated?  I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care.  So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.

So how does 76ers analyzing the following help: what they eat, what they drink, how they sleep?

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 01:17:45 PM
We will see how effective the Spurs analytics are when Duncan retires and popovich follows him out of the door. You can attribute the Spurs winning to David Robinson getting hurt and the Spurs getting Duncan. Pop isn't stupid. He know when Duncan retires he needs to go with him or pops legacy will be tarnished when he starts losing without Duncan
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 01:19:26 PM
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Since you seem like a 76ers fan, maybe you can explain why they drafted three centers in a row.


I have no affinity towards any NBA team.  I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics.  The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.

Are analytics overrated or underrated?  I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care.  So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.

So how does 76ers analyzing the following help: what they eat, what they drink, how they sleep?



Well, at least the 76ers have a rebuilding plan - i.e. tank and build for the future via draft.  What's the Laker strategy?  Whiff at free agents and then try to tank to get a top 3 (protected) pick?  Oh but wait, they have Kobe on their team who, if on the floor, doesn't believe in tanking.  And again, I'm not a 76ers fan.  I just mentioned them ONCE b/c they were mentioned earlier in this thread as a analytics believer.  Stop trolling me.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 01:24:19 PM
Kobe will play 20 games tops. Dead man walking.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 01:27:11 PM
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Since you seem like a 76ers fan, maybe you can explain why they drafted three centers in a row.


I have no affinity towards any NBA team.  I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics.  The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.

Are analytics overrated or underrated?  I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care.  So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.

So how does 76ers analyzing the following help: what they eat, what they drink, how they sleep?



Well, at least the 76ers have a rebuilding plan - i.e. tank and build for the future via draft.  What's the Laker strategy?  Whiff at free agents and then try to tank to get a top 3 (protected) pick?  Oh but wait, they have Kobe on their team who, if on the floor, doesn't believe in tanking.  And again, I'm not a 76ers fan.  I just mentioned them ONCE b/c they were mentioned earlier in this thread as a analytics believer.  Stop trolling me.
Btw - the nba is considering changing the nba draft because of their philosophy. #teamtankdoesntwork
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 01:27:31 PM
Kobe will play 20 games tops. Dead man walking.

Haha. I know. But who knows, he might surprise everyone and come back to play a bulk of the season. Lakers lose their draft pick. Kobe decides he wants to hang around for another year or two scaring off more FAs in 2016 and beyond.  Yaliu- that's your nightmare.  Not the cemetery :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Since you seem like a 76ers fan, maybe you can explain why they drafted three centers in a row.


I have no affinity towards any NBA team.  I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics.  The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.

Are analytics overrated or underrated?  I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care.  So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.

So how does 76ers analyzing the following help: what they eat, what they drink, how they sleep?



Well, at least the 76ers have a rebuilding plan - i.e. tank and build for the future via draft.  What's the Laker strategy?  Whiff at free agents and then try to tank to get a top 3 (protected) pick?  Oh but wait, they have Kobe on their team who, if on the floor, doesn't believe in tanking.  And again, I'm not a 76ers fan.  I just mentioned them ONCE b/c they were mentioned earlier in this thread as a analytics believer.  Stop trolling me.
Btw - the nba is considering changing the nba draft because of their philosophy. #teamtankdoesntwork

No you're right. The NBA should do as the European soccer league does. Relegation.  See ya lakers :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
We will see how effective the Spurs analytics are when Duncan retires and popovich follows him out of the door. You can attribute the Spurs winning to David Robinson getting hurt and the Spurs getting Duncan. Pop isn't stupid. He know when Duncan retires he needs to go with him or pops legacy will be tarnished when he starts losing without Duncan

Didn't Pop draft manu with a 50+ pick and Parker in the late late first round?  I guess thats just all luck.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 03, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
Kobe will play 20 games tops. Dead man walking.

Yaliu- that's your nightmare.  :)

so much hate...  i feel i become the new IHO  :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 01:45:49 PM
Kobe will play 20 games tops. Dead man walking.

Yaliu- that's your nightmare.  :)

so much hate...  i feel i become the new IHO  :)

Oh gosh. I like you a lot more than IHO :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 03, 2015, 01:47:02 PM
Jordan gone - Dallas

best available/obtainable center? Nene or Hibbert?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 01:47:15 PM
The lakers drafted Marc gasol 48 in 2007. He is just as good as Parker or ginobli.  Except the lakers traded him for pau and got two titles. Everybody gets lucky.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 01:52:45 PM
And ginobli was already a pro when he got drafted and didn't come to the nba for several more years. They had already SEEN him play, that wasn't analytics. I will give The Spurs credit for having good foreign scouts. That was a good strategy to take foreign players with late picks, let them develop overseas and bring them over when ready.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 02:00:14 PM
And ginobli was already a pro when he got drafted and didn't come to the nba for several more years. They had already SEEN him play, that wasn't analytics. I will give The Spurs credit for having good foreign scouts. That was a good strategy to take foreign players with late picks, let them develop overseas and bring them over when ready.

Like IC already asked - what do you guys think analytics is?

http://www.hoopsthink.com/what-basketball-analytics-means/

What do you think happens after those foreign scouts come back?  Do you think that one scout who saw him made that pick all by himself or do you think the Spurs analyzed his play and compared him to the hundreds of other players in Europe?  Sure, maybe it was pure random dumb luck but if that's your way of explaining how everything in sports work, then this conversation is moot and pointless. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 02:09:08 PM
Dandre Jordan going to the Mavs.....


Sorry IHO, also sorry Lakers nation 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 03, 2015, 02:11:53 PM
With no centers left, are there tryouts now?
Or how about that tall Chinese guy from rush hour 3
So sad
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 02:13:08 PM
Free Agency ScoreBoard Knicks vs Lakers
Knicks 2 - Lakers 0

Knicks: Robin Lopez, Affalo


Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 03, 2015, 02:18:26 PM
The opposite is also true. When u try to attribute all good players and winning to analytics.  All I know is I don't need analytics to tell you the 10 best players in the nba. And I don't need analytics to tell me if you have talent you win titles. Scouting has been around forever. If that is analytics then what is old school?

And ginobli was already a pro when he got drafted and didn't come to the nba for several more years. They had already SEEN him play, that wasn't analytics. I will give The Spurs credit for having good foreign scouts. That was a good strategy to take foreign players with late picks, let them develop overseas and bring them over when ready.

Like IC already asked - what do you guys think analytics is?

http://www.hoopsthink.com/what-basketball-analytics-means/

What do you think happens after those foreign scouts come back?  Do you think that one scout who saw him made that pick all by himself or do you think the Spurs analyzed his play and compared him to the hundreds of other players in Europe?  Sure, maybe it was pure random dumb luck but if that's your way of explaining how everything in sports work, then this conversation is moot and pointless. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 03, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
Lakers are pursing the top FAs and ignoring the 2nd tier. Knicks are more realistic.

Once Lamarcus signs with Spurs, I believe Mitch will go after 1 year rentals (see Boozer/Lin last year); reclamation projects like Nene, David Lee or Hibbert. Perhaps sign Rondo to 1 year deal as well.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 03, 2015, 02:23:56 PM
@IHO, go try out for lakers center position.

as lakers center,
rebound - if you are under the rim and no one else is around you, grab the rebound.
if you are the under the rim and your teammate is around you, let your teammate grab the rebound
if you are the under the rim and your opponent is around you, pretend you try to grab the rebound and let your opponent grab the rebound

offense - if you have the ball and the clock is more than 5 second.  dont shoot and pass the ball to kobe.
if you have the ball and the clock is LESS than 5 second.  dont shoot and pass the ball to kobe.

Hack - if you see duncan, howard, AI and etc.  hack them.  everyone else, DONT DO IT.

block -  skip this section because it does NOT apply to you.

charge - if you see someone running at you with full speed, TAKE the CHARGE.  me, J$, qwerty will LOVE to see what will happen.  look at other side, your salary will be over ONE MILLION DOLLAR.  :) :) :)

no worry, we still have IHO...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 03, 2015, 02:25:05 PM
Dandre Jordan going to the Mavs.....


Sorry IHO, also sorry Lakers nation 
Lakers are in worse position than the Clips... or the Knicks.

Prediction: Clips will still make the playoffs, unless the Lakers sign Aldridge, probably not... and the Knicks should only because in the East you can suck and still be in the post season.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 03, 2015, 02:29:25 PM
Dandre Jordan going to the Mavs.....


Sorry IHO, also sorry Lakers nation 
Lakers are in worse position than the Clips... or the Knicks.

Prediction: Clips will still make the playoffs, unless the Lakers sign Aldridge, probably not... and the Knicks should only because in the East you can suck and still be in the post season.

prediction: lakers will NOT make to playoff.  does lakers have any draft pick next year? 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 02:34:36 PM
The opposite is also true. When u try to attribute all good players and winning to analytics.  All I know is I don't need analytics to tell you the 10 best players in the nba. And I don't need analytics to tell me if you have talent you win titles. Scouting has been around forever. If that is analytics then what is old school?


The eye test.
Using the eye test, you can see & name the 10 best players in the NBA.  But with salary cap, luxury tax, etc, etc, in order to win championships, you need depth.  IMO, that's where analytics come into play the most.  Spurs do a good job finding players that are other teams castoffs.  Boris Diaw comes to mind.  I'm not saying analytics is the end all be all, bc let's be honest, lack of analytics ain't the reason the Lakers are in their predicament now.  They have many issues: ownership, Kobe, coach, etc.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 03, 2015, 02:37:26 PM
Dandre Jordan going to the Mavs.....


Sorry IHO, also sorry Lakers nation 
Lakers are in worse position than the Clips... or the Knicks.

Prediction: Clips will still make the playoffs, unless the Lakers sign Aldridge, probably not... and the Knicks should only because in the East you can suck and still be in the post season.

prediction: lakers will NOT make to playoff.  does lakers have any draft pick next year? 

Come on Yal, do your homework ;)

No Credits but there are debits (yay accounting!):

2016 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Phoenix) protected for selections 1-3 in 2016 and 1-3 in 2017 and unprotected in 2018 [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; Milwaukee-Philadelphia-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]

2018 first round draft pick to Orlando
If at least two years after the L.A. Lakers conveyed a 1st round pick to Philadelphia, then the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Orlando protected for selections 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019; if the L.A. Lakers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Philadelphia by 2017, then the L.A. Lakers will instead convey their 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick to Orlando [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; L.A. Lakers-Orlando, 8/10/2012; Milwaukee-Philadelphia-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 02:53:13 PM
Dj should of stayed with the Clips.

Parsons had micro fracture surgery last year. Mathews tire his ACL last year. Dirk is old. Mavs have NO good POINT GUARD.

The Clips have: CP3, Blake, Pierce, Jamal, Redick, Lance, and Doc as Coach.

This is one of the worst FA decision this year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 03, 2015, 04:22:04 PM
The opposite is also true. When u try to attribute all good players and winning to analytics.  All I know is I don't need analytics to tell you the 10 best players in the nba. And I don't need analytics to tell me if you have talent you win titles. Scouting has been around forever. If that is analytics then what is old school?

And ginobli was already a pro when he got drafted and didn't come to the nba for several more years. They had already SEEN him play, that wasn't analytics. I will give The Spurs credit for having good foreign scouts. That was a good strategy to take foreign players with late picks, let them develop overseas and bring them over when ready.

Like IC already asked - what do you guys think analytics is?

http://www.hoopsthink.com/what-basketball-analytics-means/

What do you think happens after those foreign scouts come back?  Do you think that one scout who saw him made that pick all by himself or do you think the Spurs analyzed his play and compared him to the hundreds of other players in Europe?  Sure, maybe it was pure random dumb luck but if that's your way of explaining how everything in sports work, then this conversation is moot and pointless. 

That's one of the misnomers about analytics.  No one talks about replacing scouting or "old school".  Analytics are meant to be a different way of thinking and more tools to use.  If you just employ scouting and old school techniques, you are at a disadvantage to those who use those techniques and analytics.  You are basically bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 03, 2015, 04:30:26 PM
What will be interesting is who will get a better starting center first, Lakers or Clippers?

Maybe Doc should not have let Hawes go... and please don't tell me Big Baby is the answer.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 04:59:57 PM
Rondo off the table for Lakers. Rondo goes to Kings for one year $10 mil. (Too high)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 03, 2015, 05:04:24 PM
Rondo off the table for Lakers. Rondo goes to Kings for one year $10 mil. (Too high)

One year deals are no biggie if you have the cap space and no one to spend it on.  Miami's deal with Wade is the same...no one going to Miami this year so spending it on a thank you/PR contract is fine.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 03, 2015, 07:55:55 PM
Tobias Harris is off the table for the Lakers, just signed with the Magic.

Derrick Williams signs with the Knicks 2 year $10mil. Another player that could have gone to the Lakers. (Sf position)


FA update count:
Knicks 3 - Lakers 0
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 03, 2015, 08:47:52 PM
Derrick Williams is a decent player.

Why doesn't anyone want to play on the Lakers? If I was Aldridge I would sign with them just to shut everyone up.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 03, 2015, 09:14:19 PM
Derrick Williams is a decent player.

Why doesn't anyone want to play on the Lakers? If I was Aldridge I would sign with them just to shut everyone up.

Because a lot of veterans want a chance to win a title.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 09:15:05 AM
Lamarcus to sign with the Spurs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 04, 2015, 09:30:20 AM
Sad... What's the count now, 0 for 10
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 09:32:28 AM
Sad... What's the count now, 0 for 10

Way to kick off the 4th for Lakers Nation. The Lakers will eventually sign FA, but they are not as good.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 02:01:04 PM
Lakes are in trade talks with Pacers for center Roy H.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 04, 2015, 02:34:36 PM
Lakes are in trade talks with Pacers for center Roy H.

IHO is more athletic than Hibbert.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 02:44:07 PM
Lakes are in trade talks with Pacers for center Roy H.

IHO is more athletic than Hibbert.

The Lakers and Pacers deal done. Lakers will get Roy H.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 04, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
interesting, they borrowed JLin for 14 mil last year and Roy H for 15 mil this year..  :(
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 03:29:50 PM
Dallas looking to sign Jeremy Lin.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 04, 2015, 03:46:51 PM
told you guys. after the Lakers got struck out of all the top FAs, they would go for 1 year rentals. Last year it was Lin for ticket sales, this year it actually makes more basketball sense to get a rim protector/reclamation project in Hibbert. It was either Hibbert, Nene or David Lee. and Hibbert is the better rim protector among the 3 and a true center.

They still need depth in the front court. Tarik Black or Sacre as the back up center makes me cringe. Back up PF is Kelly or Larry Nance Jr. LOL....don't tell me they bring back Jordan Hill or Boozer...

Wonder if they can get K.J McDaniels; young SF who is scrappy on D and can make 3's.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
interesting, they borrowed JLin for 14 mil last year and Roy H for 15 mil this year..  :(

But wait there's more regarding the trade, there is a 15% trade kicker which is $2.3 mil.

(Rumor of what the Lakers might send) The Lakers might send a couple of 2nd round pick(s) and a euro player. Maybe Lakers get another player from the Pacers. (Both sides are still agreeing on other parts of the trade)

I think the Pacers should send a pick to the Lakers for a salary dump. Looks like the Lakers got scammed, again. Lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 04, 2015, 05:09:11 PM
unless we send back Nick Young lol
Or if they like small ball, send them Ryan Kelly, the stretch 4

interesting, they borrowed JLin for 14 mil last year and Roy H for 15 mil this year..  :(

But wait there's more regarding the trade, there is a 15% trade kicker which is $2.3 mil.

(Rumor of what the Lakers might send) The Lakers might send a couple of 2nd round pick(s) and a euro player. Maybe Lakers get another player from the Pacers. (Both sides are still agreeing on other parts of the trade)

I think the Pacers should send a pick to the Lakers for a salary dump. Looks like the Lakers got scammed, again. Lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 06:10:28 PM
The Pacers will be below the salary cap, after the trade. We are doing them a favor.

unless we send back Nick Young lol
Or if they like small ball, send them Ryan Kelly, the stretch 4

interesting, they borrowed JLin for 14 mil last year and Roy H for 15 mil this year..  :(

But wait there's more regarding the trade, there is a 15% trade kicker which is $2.3 mil.

(Rumor of what the Lakers might send) The Lakers might send a couple of 2nd round pick(s) and a euro player. Maybe Lakers get another player from the Pacers. (Both sides are still agreeing on other parts of the trade)

I think the Pacers should send a pick to the Lakers for a salary dump. Looks like the Lakers got scammed, again. Lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 07:10:19 PM
This deal is okay, better than what Sacramento wanted for Cousins. (Randall, Clarkson, D. Russell, and future first rounder for Cousins - in your dreams Vlade/Sacramento Kings)

Obviously Cousins is better than Hibbert, but still.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 04, 2015, 09:34:25 PM
If Hibs can play more consistently (like he does at the beginning of the season) he's a decent center (maybe even better than Okafor).

At least the Lakers got a shot blocker. who have the Clippers signed to replace DJ?

So did LMA sign for the same money as DJ? One team in TX got ripped off.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 04, 2015, 10:02:21 PM
Hibbert Vertical = 2 inches
IHO Vertical = 3 inches
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 10:10:46 PM
Hibbert Vertical = 2 inches
IHO Vertical = 3 inches
Qwerty's dog vertical 4 inches.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2015, 10:19:50 PM
What in the world is going on with Sacramento? They signed Koufos. (Sorry Yaliu, I know you were pushing hard for the Lakers to get Koufos)

So now the Kings have 3 centers. (Another Philly)
Cousins, Willie C.S., and Koufos
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 05, 2015, 02:15:16 PM
Lakers sign Lou Williams, 6th man of the year last year, for $21 mil for 3 years.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 05, 2015, 02:29:52 PM
What in the world is going on with Sacramento? They signed Koufos. (Sorry Yaliu, I know you were pushing hard for the Lakers to get Koufos)

So now the Kings have 3 centers. (Another Philly)
Cousins, Willie C.S., and Koufos
I'm guessing for some potential trade.
Watch, they end up trading big men with philly...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 05, 2015, 05:54:53 PM
I like the Lou Williams signing. Can we ditch Nick Young now?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 05, 2015, 06:27:12 PM
Lakers to sign Brandon Bass.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 05, 2015, 07:46:42 PM
At least lakers got something... Was thinking they'd strike out completely
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 05, 2015, 07:54:31 PM
I like the Lou Williams signing. Can we ditch Nick Young now?

define "we"...   i thought you are a clipper fan and kobe hater.  :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 05, 2015, 08:01:03 PM
There's still more time for FA, however I think the Lakers are on par (same) as the Knicks during for FA, B players addition lol

I hear Dallas looking to do a sign and trade with the Lakers for Lin. (Cap space issue)

Also, another rumor Lakers looking to trade N Young, Sacre, Kelly.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 05, 2015, 08:29:47 PM
I'm good with these FA signings.  If we didn't get LA.. then oh well.  We gotta start winning games and it would be nice to see our young guys get featured in the offense to develop. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 05, 2015, 09:25:57 PM
I like the Lou Williams signing. Can we ditch Nick Young now?

define "we"...   i thought you are a clipper fan and kobe hater.  :)
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Looks like the Clippers are now the doo-doo team in LA when it comes to signing FAs, Lou is better than Pierce, Hibbert is a starting center (although a trade) and Bass a decent big... Clips still haven't found a DJ replacement.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 05, 2015, 10:18:52 PM
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Have we had this convo before? But how can you be a fan of both? What happens when they play each other in the playoffs?  Say no to sports polygamy!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on July 05, 2015, 10:25:31 PM
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Have we had this convo before? But how can you be a fan of both? What happens when they play each other in the playoffs?  Say no to sports polygamy!
I have the same problem....I'm a UCLA and USC alum.  I cheer for both, when they play each other I cheer for the better team.  haha
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 05, 2015, 11:39:51 PM
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Have we had this convo before? But how can you be a fan of both? What happens when they play each other in the playoffs?  Say no to sports polygamy!
This is easy, until Kobe retires from the Lakers, for a Clips/Lakers game, I go Clips. When the Lakers play anyone else (except the Cavs), I root for the Lakers.

When the Clippers play anyone else (including the Cavs), go Clippers.

It might have been a problem if the Sacramento Kings moved to Orange County. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 06, 2015, 06:55:38 AM
Quote
Per the Bee, Cousins' issues with Coach George Karl "have not been resolved." It would be stunning to see the Kings turn around and move Cousins after being this active on the free agent market, but nothing would surprise anyone at this point when it comes to what happens with the Kings. The Lakers remain at the forefront of the line for Cousins' services.

we still have hope...  :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 06, 2015, 07:18:08 AM
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Have we had this convo before? But how can you be a fan of both? What happens when they play each other in the playoffs?  Say no to sports polygamy!
This is easy, until Kobe retires from the Lakers, for a Clips/Lakers game, I go Clips. When the Lakers play anyone else (except the Cavs), I root for the Lakers.

When the Clippers play anyone else (including the Cavs), go Clippers.

It might have been a problem if the Sacramento Kings moved to Orange County. :)

Wait. There's a 3rd team at play here?  Why the cavs?  Bandwagon LBJer? Dan Gilbert BFF? Brother of KLove's LA girlfriend?  Your sports fandom is so complicated!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 06, 2015, 07:19:52 AM
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Have we had this convo before? But how can you be a fan of both? What happens when they play each other in the playoffs?  Say no to sports polygamy!
I have the same problem....I'm a UCLA and USC alum.  I cheer for both, when they play each other I cheer for the better team.  haha

Bones' unofficial official guide to sports fandom:
Undergrad > grad school
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 06, 2015, 11:03:31 AM
Yes... just like all those Bulls fans who don't even know where Chicago is, I'm an LBJ towel boy.

For some perspective, when Shaq was in Orlando I was a Magic fan... and then obv Lakers (and then when Kobe kicked him out, that's when the Kobe hate started). When he was with the Cavs that was the perfect storm for me, Shaq and LBJ on the same team.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 06, 2015, 11:07:43 AM
I hope we can get a dominant player again.. I miss prime Shaq.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 06, 2015, 11:53:04 AM
Bones' unofficial official guide to sports fandom:
Rule #2 - Root for the jersey. Not the player. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: GH on July 06, 2015, 12:17:17 PM
I like the Lou Williams signing. Can we ditch Nick Young now?

define "we"...   i thought you are a clipper fan and kobe hater.  :)
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Looks like the Clippers are now the doo-doo team in LA when it comes to signing FAs, Lou is better than Pierce, Hibbert is a starting center (although a trade) and Bass a decent big... Clips still haven't found a DJ replacement.

not really comparable.  LAC has practically no cap space to offer FA, so its understandably hard to attract one.  Lakers has tons of cap space but can only attract second tier talents.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2015, 03:20:26 PM
David West is signing with the Spurs. The big news is he turned down $12m with the Pacers, for $1.5m with Spurs. He left around 10.5 on the table.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 06, 2015, 03:49:24 PM
David West is signing with the Spurs. The big news is he turned down $12m with the Pacers, for $1.5m with Spurs. He left around 10.5 on the table.


damn, he is a better man than i am.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2015, 04:53:49 PM
Josh Smith to the Clips? He is a FA.

Interesting
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on July 06, 2015, 06:16:46 PM
David West is signing with the Spurs. The big news is he turned down $12m with the Pacers, for $1.5m with Spurs. He left around 10.5 on the table.


damn, he is a better man than i am.
This should make the Spurs a favorite to win the championship next year.  They now have a loaded team, even if some of the pieces are a bit aged. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 06, 2015, 06:37:12 PM
I like the Lou Williams signing. Can we ditch Nick Young now?

define "we"...   i thought you are a clipper fan and kobe hater.  :)
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Looks like the Clippers are now the doo-doo team in LA when it comes to signing FAs, Lou is better than Pierce, Hibbert is a starting center (although a trade) and Bass a decent big... Clips still haven't found a DJ replacement.

not really comparable.  LAC has practically no cap space to offer FA, so its understandably hard to attract one.  Lakers has tons of cap space but can only attract second tier talents.

How so?  they just offered DJ the max. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on July 06, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
I like the Lou Williams signing. Can we ditch Nick Young now?

define "we"...   i thought you are a clipper fan and kobe hater.  :)
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Looks like the Clippers are now the doo-doo team in LA when it comes to signing FAs, Lou is better than Pierce, Hibbert is a starting center (although a trade) and Bass a decent big... Clips still haven't found a DJ replacement.

not really comparable.  LAC has practically no cap space to offer FA, so its understandably hard to attract one.  Lakers has tons of cap space but can only attract second tier talents.

How so?  they just offered DJ the max. 
DJ is not even close to being worth the max.  I can shoot free throws better than him.  I would have offered him $10-11 at the max. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 06, 2015, 09:49:38 PM
Jahlil Okafor scored 20 points on 10-of-22 shooting (0-for-4 free throws) with nine rebounds, one steal and two blocks in Monday's preseason debut against the Spurs. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 06, 2015, 10:45:22 PM
0 for 4 free throws? Bleh.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2015, 11:19:45 PM
Jahlil Okafor scored 20 points on 10-of-22 shooting (0-for-4 free throws) with nine rebounds, one steal and two blocks in Monday's preseason debut against the Spurs.
I think we have another, secret 76ers fan. Jk jk
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: GH on July 07, 2015, 09:44:32 AM
I like the Lou Williams signing. Can we ditch Nick Young now?

define "we"...   i thought you are a clipper fan and kobe hater.  :)
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Looks like the Clippers are now the doo-doo team in LA when it comes to signing FAs, Lou is better than Pierce, Hibbert is a starting center (although a trade) and Bass a decent big... Clips still haven't found a DJ replacement.

not really comparable.  LAC has practically no cap space to offer FA, so its understandably hard to attract one.  Lakers has tons of cap space but can only attract second tier talents.

How so?  they just offered DJ the max.

Birds right. "the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary."..
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 07, 2015, 09:49:38 AM
for your Okafor fans out there;  >:D

https://vine.co/v/enitWqF2Pv2
https://vine.co/v/eniIV6bXlDg
https://vine.co/v/enijX0mVEZA
https://vine.co/v/enijuTF0DqK

0-4 free throws, 4 turn overs, and most importantly, the Spurs front court of L. Jean-Charles (who??) and C. Lalanne (who??) have total of 9 blocks between them. just imagine what Okafor would do against real NBA centers.

also his defense is severely lacking - lack of defensive awareness plus slow motor

Jahlil Okafor scored 20 points on 10-of-22 shooting (0-for-4 free throws) with nine rebounds, one steal and two blocks in Monday's preseason debut against the Spurs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 07, 2015, 09:57:03 AM
the guy cant even get off a decent shot against a white defender. looks like a bust already.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 07, 2015, 10:04:18 AM
@GH:

I thought the Clips did offer DJ the max ($109m over 5 years) but DJ turned it down for less money with Dallas.

There were a few things going on here... DJ played college in Texas, him and Parsons are friends and have the same agent (<- that is probably one of the biggest) and he wants more spotlight.

Personally, I think it's a dumb move. I don't think Dallas has a better chance at winning than the Clips and he lost out on money, but oh well. I wish he had more loyalty to the team that stuck with him.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 07, 2015, 10:07:07 AM
bromance with Parsons plus state income tax difference :)
@GH:

I thought the Clips did offer DJ the max ($109m over 5 years) but DJ turned it down for less money with Dallas.

There were a few things going on here... DJ played college in Texas, him and Parsons are friends and have the same agent (<- that is probably one of the biggest) and he wants more spotlight.

Personally, I think it's a dumb move. I don't think Dallas has a better chance at winning than the Clips and he lost out on money, but oh well. I wish he had more loyalty to the team that stuck with him.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 07, 2015, 10:19:51 AM
I like the Lou Williams signing. Can we ditch Nick Young now?

define "we"...   i thought you are a clipper fan and kobe hater.  :)
Clipper and Lakers fan... Kobe hater.

Looks like the Clippers are now the doo-doo team in LA when it comes to signing FAs, Lou is better than Pierce, Hibbert is a starting center (although a trade) and Bass a decent big... Clips still haven't found a DJ replacement.

not really comparable.  LAC has practically no cap space to offer FA, so its understandably hard to attract one.  Lakers has tons of cap space but can only attract second tier talents.

How so?  they just offered DJ the max. 
DJ is not even close to being worth the max.  I can shoot free throws better than him.  I would have offered him $10-11 at the max.

come on now.. it's like real estate.. it's worth as much as someone is willing to pay.. which was a few teams.  ;)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 07, 2015, 10:21:40 AM
I think Okafor is going to be fine.  He will be a starting level center with a very good offensive post up game.  I do, however, feel Russell will have a bigger impact on our franchise. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: GH on July 07, 2015, 10:36:17 AM

Personally, I think it's a dumb move. I don't think Dallas has a better chance at winning than the Clips and he lost out on money, but oh well. I wish he had more loyalty to the team that stuck with him.

I don't really blame DJ.  He was sold by the Dallas promise.  At this point in his career, he wants recognition and searching for this true potential rather than winning.  If he stays, he will always be behind Paul and Griffin and potentially has hit ceiling on his career growth. In Dallas, he has room to improve and can be a  first or second option after the Dirk era if he improves his offensive skills. If he does significantly improve, the extra money Clipper is offering will be negligible in hindsight with better contract after the current deal ends.

“I was basically just telling him that we want you,” said Parsons, who organized a dinner with Mavs legend Dirk Nowitzki, owner Mark Cuban, Jordan and himself at a swanky sushi restaurant in Malibu for the second free agency started Tuesday night. “You’re our priority. We believe that you can be a 20 and 15 a night kind of guy. We think that you are the best center in the NBA, and we think that there’s no other place better than Dallas [to prove it].
“With coach [Rick] Carlisle‘s system, adding guys like me and Wes and Dirk, savvy older veteran point guards like J.J. [Barea] and Devin [Harris] and Raymond [Felton] all around you, we can make you the best player possible that you can be. I think that was the biggest thing that he wanted, and I think he saw that the opportunity was here.

“I think he’s a perennial All-Star. I think he’s the most athletic, best defending, finishing lob threat in the NBA. He has a chance to be the best center in the NBA the next 10 years.”
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 07, 2015, 11:02:04 AM
Lakers trading for Taj Gibson?

Randle is now a stretch 4?
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/13211540/julius-randle-completes-first-practice-los-angeles-lakers-broken-leg

if they can get rid of Swaggy P, the addition of Lou Williams, Russell, Hibbert, Gibson and the return of Randle, Kobe, and continuing improvement from Clarkson, addition by subtraction of Lin, Boozer and Wes Johnson, the Lakers may sniff playoffs next year
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 07, 2015, 11:12:09 AM
I don't really blame DJ.  He was sold by the Dallas promise.  At this point in his career, he wants recognition and searching for this true potential rather than winning.  If he stays, he will always be behind Paul and Griffin and potentially has hit ceiling on his career growth. In Dallas, he has room to improve and can be a  first or second option after the Dirk era if he improves his offensive skills. If he does significantly improve, the extra money Clipper is offering will be negligible in hindsight with better contract after the current deal ends.
I thought it was all about the rings... ie winning?

That's short-sighted... I still think being with an LA team (Lakers or Clippers) is more lucrative on that basis alone than other teams (old school thinking but still has legs).

Other than Dirk and Kidd, does anyone remember any Maverick "super" stars?

At least he put in the 3rd year option, so he can move again if it doesn't pan out. But he should have just done that in LA, take the max 5, put in a 3rd year option in case he doesn't "shine" enough here.

Bleh.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 07, 2015, 11:12:31 AM
Lakers trading for Taj Gibson?

Randle is now a stretch 4?
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/13211540/julius-randle-completes-first-practice-los-angeles-lakers-broken-leg

if they can get rid of Swaggy P, the addition of Lou Williams, Russell, Hibbert, Gibson and the return of Randle, Kobe, and continuing improvement from Clarkson, addition by subtraction of Lin, Boozer and Wes Johnson, the Lakers may sniff playoffs next year

it would be nice if they can just get to exciting basketball.  Remember when Magic retired.. we had a lul for a season or two.  Then we drafted Eddie Jones and picked up Ceballos.. that was a pretty good team.  Not great but they competed against any team. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 07, 2015, 11:14:50 AM
i thought he left bc be hated CP3.  Must be an LA theme.
Also, he was 90/10 clips before parsons got involved in recruiting.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Bullsback on July 07, 2015, 12:07:20 PM
Lakers trading for Taj Gibson?

Randle is now a stretch 4?
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/13211540/julius-randle-completes-first-practice-los-angeles-lakers-broken-leg

if they can get rid of Swaggy P, the addition of Lou Williams, Russell, Hibbert, Gibson and the return of Randle, Kobe, and continuing improvement from Clarkson, addition by subtraction of Lin, Boozer and Wes Johnson, the Lakers may sniff playoffs next year
Taj to the Lakers would be news to me. While he might be available, unless Lakers have a young, athletic wing that is good that they would part with, Taj isn't getting moved. Bulls has long liked taj a lot so while his name always comes up, their is a reason he hasn't been moved. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Bullsback on July 07, 2015, 12:08:30 PM
i thought he left bc be hated CP3.  Must be an LA theme.
Also, he was 90/10 clips before parsons got involved in recruiting.
I think it was probably 50% Parsons and 50% (if not more) CP3. All of it is probably different if the Clips don't completely choke away their 3-1 lead against Memphis.  The Mavs did what the Lakers should have done.

Lakers should have never wasted time on anyone but DeAndre. DeAndre was the one piece who was a very good long-term fit for their future plans. Athletic big who can defend and is in my opinion underrated.  His deal (when you consider what Robin Lopez and others are getting) is extremely cap friendly (especially with the projected significant increases in the cap in the next 2 years) and he is the exact type of guy that you could get your star to play with. You might actually sell Durant a year from now if Russell is looking like a good point guard, you have DeAndre as an athletic big who is a monster on the glass (and a great shot blocker) and hopefully Randle develops.

Now the Lakers, at least didn't totally jack up future flexibility but they don't exactly have much to sell someone like KD so I will officially go on record as saying their is zero chance KD comes to the Lakers (outside of Randle and Russell both going nuts and being all stars). 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 07, 2015, 12:44:12 PM
Lakers trading for Taj Gibson?

Randle is now a stretch 4?
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/13211540/julius-randle-completes-first-practice-los-angeles-lakers-broken-leg

if they can get rid of Swaggy P, the addition of Lou Williams, Russell, Hibbert, Gibson and the return of Randle, Kobe, and continuing improvement from Clarkson, addition by subtraction of Lin, Boozer and Wes Johnson, the Lakers may sniff playoffs next year

You are dreaming.  Warriors, Spurs, Mavs, Houston, NO, and Memphis are locks.  Clippers and Trailblazers got worse but Suns and OKC will get better.   Lakers are 10th or 11th best team in the West at best.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 07, 2015, 01:34:41 PM
Portland? they lost 4 of their starting 5 from beginning of last season. They will not make the playoffs.

Dallas? Dirk has been in the league for almost as long as Kobe and he has not suffered any major injuries and missed too many games. It won't surprise me 2015-2016 season could be the year when Dirk's body finally breaks down. the upgrade from Chandler to DJ may not offset the departure of Monta Ellis, who arguably was their best player last season.

I will give you OKC if they stay healthy.

For PHX I am not sure their improvement is as much as the Lakers.

Minnesota will be a wild card however.

So if everything turns out for the Lakers, there is a good chance they can within the fighting distance for the 8th playoff spot in the West.

SAS, GSW, HOU, MEM, NO, LAC, OKC are the 7 locks. The last spot is up for grabs between DAL, PHX, LAL and MIN.



Lakers trading for Taj Gibson?

Randle is now a stretch 4?
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/13211540/julius-randle-completes-first-practice-los-angeles-lakers-broken-leg

if they can get rid of Swaggy P, the addition of Lou Williams, Russell, Hibbert, Gibson and the return of Randle, Kobe, and continuing improvement from Clarkson, addition by subtraction of Lin, Boozer and Wes Johnson, the Lakers may sniff playoffs next year

You are dreaming.  Warriors, Spurs, Mavs, Houston, NO, and Memphis are locks.  Clippers and Trailblazers got worse but Suns and OKC will get better.   Lakers are 10th or 11th best team in the West at best.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on July 07, 2015, 02:35:29 PM
So what do laker fans want for this upcoming season?  Try and get into the playoffs as an 8 seed or tank & get a top 3 pick. Which would give you guys a better chance at getting KD? 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 07, 2015, 02:39:42 PM
Well, it's not like the Lakers "76er" tanked last year.

Going to be hard to be a bottom 3 team and even though, could end up losing the pick if the Ping Pong gods hate you (aka NY style).

I think the fans just want a competitive team, hope Kobe doesn't get another injury and that they don't get blown out by the Clips too often.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 07, 2015, 02:50:51 PM
assuming next years cap space allows Lakers to sign 2 to 3 max contracts, a high pick is not as important as the development of Clarkson, Russell and Randle. If Durant has an issue with Westbrook, the Lakers can pitch a young nucleus (assuming they are good) + max offers to Durant and let's say Noah.

A starting lineup of 3 young stud players + 1 super star + 1 solid all star + adequate bench (like 6th man of the year Lou Williams) the Lakers can instantly become contenders.

Well, it's not like the Lakers "76er" tanked last year.

Going to be hard to be a bottom 3 team and even though, could end up losing the pick if the Ping Pong gods hate you (aka NY style).

I think the fans just want a competitive team, hope Kobe doesn't get another injury and that they don't get blown out by the Clips too often.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 07, 2015, 02:55:08 PM
I would stay away from Durant. (Foot injury)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 07, 2015, 02:56:08 PM
So is there upside to Upshaw? Can he be yaliu's big man?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 07, 2015, 05:01:41 PM
So is there upside to Upshaw? Can he be yaliu's big man?

Undrafted. He got released in college?
But I heard he is a beast. (Good shot blocker)

I hear people compare him to that center at Miami, I fort his name. (Lazy to look up)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 07, 2015, 05:05:53 PM
Hassan Blackside is Upshaw's upside

So is there upside to Upshaw? Can he be yaliu's big man?

Undrafted. He got released in college?
But I heard he is a beast. (Good shot blocker)

I hear people compare him to that center at Miami, I fort his name. (Lazy to look up)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 08, 2015, 07:10:37 AM
Portland? they lost 4 of their starting 5 from beginning of last season. They will not make the playoffs.

Dallas? Dirk has been in the league for almost as long as Kobe and he has not suffered any major injuries and missed too many games. It won't surprise me 2015-2016 season could be the year when Dirk's body finally breaks down. the upgrade from Chandler to DJ may not offset the departure of Monta Ellis, who arguably was their best player last season.

I will give you OKC if they stay healthy.

For PHX I am not sure their improvement is as much as the Lakers.

Minnesota will be a wild card however.

So if everything turns out for the Lakers, there is a good chance they can within the fighting distance for the 8th playoff spot in the West.

SAS, GSW, HOU, MEM, NO, LAC, OKC are the 7 locks. The last spot is up for grabs between DAL, PHX, LAL and MIN.



Lakers trading for Taj Gibson?

Randle is now a stretch 4?
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/13211540/julius-randle-completes-first-practice-los-angeles-lakers-broken-leg

if they can get rid of Swaggy P, the addition of Lou Williams, Russell, Hibbert, Gibson and the return of Randle, Kobe, and continuing improvement from Clarkson, addition by subtraction of Lin, Boozer and Wes Johnson, the Lakers may sniff playoffs next year

You are dreaming.  Warriors, Spurs, Mavs, Houston, NO, and Memphis are locks.  Clippers and Trailblazers got worse but Suns and OKC will get better.   Lakers are 10th or 11th best team in the West at best.

You're dreaming...my favorite (the best IMO) NBA writer Zach Lowe describes the Lakers' offseason as follows:

Quote
Los Angeles Lakers: This team will not battle its way into the playoff race, and it flat-out embarrassed itself in blowing a meeting with Aldridge before scheduling a face-saver two days later. They should have tried harder to retain Ed Davis, though every team that spends time with Davis grumbles about his low motor, nonexistent range, and terrible foul shooting.

Brandon Bass is a workable Davis replacement, and the Lakers got Lou Williams at a below-market deal that will age well (and function as a trade asset). Reviving Roy Hibbert is a fine way to use leftover cap space, and he’ll provide resistance at the rim for an otherwise overmatched group who barely bothered to try on defense last season.

The Lakers are waiting out Bryant’s extension. Laugh at their tarnished brand if you want, but these guys still get meetings with everyone. Aldridge had serious interest in them when free agency started, per several sources, and the Lakers will eventually learn from three straight summers of unrequited free-agency love. In the meantime, swallow another awful season, develop all the fun young guys, and give yourselves at least a chance of being bad enough to keep the top-three protected pick you owe Philadelphia.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-free-agency-winners-and-losers/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 08, 2015, 08:44:16 AM
Finally someone meme'd the Lakers' free agent quest:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJWA6eTW8AENgIq.jpg)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 08, 2015, 12:25:46 PM
Clippers sign Wesley Johnson.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 08, 2015, 02:41:10 PM
Clippers sign Wesley Johnson.
I should make a 'Clippers News' thread... more exciting. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 08, 2015, 07:25:48 PM
Ex Lakers Lin, goes to the Hornets. 2 years $4 mil
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 08, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Ex Lakers Lin, goes to the Hornets. 2 years $4 mil

He can thank the rockets for over reacting and giving him 3 years and 25 million.  Now he gets 2M per year. And the lakers were smart enough to get Lin for the third year where he collected 15m  of the 25.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 08, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
Ex Lakers Lin, goes to the Hornets. 2 years $4 mil

He can thank the rockets for over reacting and giving him 3 years and 25 million.  Now he gets 2M per year. And the lakers were smart enough to get Lin for the third year where he collected 15m  of the 25.

So the previous rumor he was going to Dallas, via trade. However, after the DJ saga in Dallas Lin is going to Hornets.

Speaking of DJ, around less than an hour to see if he signs with the Clips.

I heard if that happens Dallas might do a sign and trade for Hibbert and Ellis. And the Lakers will be out in the cold. (In use to it lol)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 08, 2015, 09:09:42 PM
So ESPN is saying that the clipper crew is staying with dj until he can sign, lol
And dj haven't been returning Dallas' calls
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 08, 2015, 09:19:25 PM
So ESPN is saying that the clipper crew is staying with dj until he can sign, lol
And dj haven't been returning Dallas' calls

Dj signs with the a Clips.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 09, 2015, 09:56:07 AM
Is too late for Kobe to skateboard over to Aldridge's house and lock him in until he signs with the Lakers?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 09, 2015, 10:05:26 AM
Is too late for Kobe to skateboard over to Aldridge's house and lock him in until he signs with the Lakers?
I've a feeling it's also partially because of Kobe he didn't want to sign.  He'll have a chair propped against the door so Kobe doesn't get in, lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 09, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
Lou Williams officially signs with the Lakers... Byron Scott was not holding him hostage.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 09, 2015, 09:19:21 PM
Lou Williams officially signs with the Lakers... Byron Scott was not holding him hostage.

Also, Brandon Bass.

The Pacers and Lakers trade went through for Hibbert.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 09, 2015, 10:21:10 PM
Lakers probably dodged a bullet by not drafting Okafor.

3 summer games so far
44% from FG and 31% FT's. and playing against undersized PF/C
Mickey - 6'8, 230 lbs
Lalane - 6'9, 240 lbs
Cooley - 6'9, 240 lbs
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 09, 2015, 10:26:11 PM
Okafor might be better in a few years (only a handful of bigs are ready their rookie year... even AD took 2 to 3).

But Russell is prime time (OpenSky where are youuuuuuu?!?!?!).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 09, 2015, 11:49:11 PM
I watched 13 min of scouting report on youtube Draft Express for Upshaw. Good pick up for the Lakers as he was undrafted. Looks like a project, but he looks like a good defender. Not polished on offense like Okafor. #norisk

Hassan Blackside is Upshaw's upside

So is there upside to Upshaw? Can he be yaliu's big man?

Undrafted. He got released in college?
But I heard he is a beast. (Good shot blocker)

I hear people compare him to that center at Miami, I fort his name. (Lazy to look up)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 10, 2015, 12:09:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ee3-rkzEJo

Upshaw nba draft workout video on youtube (around 2 min)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eatthis on July 10, 2015, 12:42:28 AM
Upshaw nba draft workout video on youtube (around 2 min)

Big but too slow to be effective in the NBA.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 10, 2015, 05:55:33 AM
not to mention Okafor has a slow motor. he won't ever become a defense demon like AD. At best he can be Al Jefferson but with the low FT %. He won't be a franchise center, while Russell with his passing acumen he could transform a team.

Okafor might be better in a few years (only a handful of bigs are ready their rookie year... even AD took 2 to 3).

But Russell is prime time (OpenSky where are youuuuuuu?!?!?!).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 10, 2015, 11:00:59 PM
Lakers GM (Mitch) says Lakers are in position to return to playoffs.

#uhSure


Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 10, 2015, 11:14:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi8aYUffn2I&sns

Check out Tarik Black highlights.


2:58 - Tarik dunks over Rudy Gorbet
3:08 - Tarik monster dunk over Lopez
3:26 - Tarik put back jam over Love
3:33 - Tarik slams over Spencer Hawes
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 11, 2015, 09:56:21 AM
he forgot to say after we sign Durant in 2016


Lakers GM (Mitch) says Lakers are in position to return to playoffs.

#uhSure
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2015, 05:27:00 PM
Lakers vs 76ers (summer league) 5:30 pm

@Yaliu - are you going to watch the game? (Okafor)

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 11, 2015, 06:25:53 PM
i rarely watch lakers game in the past couple years.  i can't stand they keep losing and i especially didn't like watch antoni. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 11, 2015, 06:51:17 PM
i rarely watch lakers game in the past couple years.  i can't stand they keep losing and i especially didn't like watch antoni.

Its fun watching russell pass the ball. Need to get him some athletic weapons.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: . on July 11, 2015, 07:21:46 PM
i rarely watch lakers game in the past couple years.  i can't stand they keep losing and i especially didn't like watch antoni.

Its fun watching russell pass the ball. Need to get him some athletic weapons.

i nominate KOBE...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 11, 2015, 10:05:14 PM
i rarely watch lakers game in the past couple years.  i can't stand they keep losing and i especially didn't like watch antoni.

Larry Nance Jr. blocked (pinned it to the backboard) Okafor's shot.

Lakers 68 76ers 60
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 13, 2015, 03:02:56 PM
So after watching some Summer League, if the young guys pan out, the Lakers are in a good position.

My favorite is Jordan Clarkson... seems really confident and I think he be better than Klay Thompson so the Lakers can have their own Splash Bros in Russell and Clarkson.

Let's hope Upshaw has matured and will not succumb to his demons and Yaliu will have the big guy with the "good body" that he wants.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 13, 2015, 03:32:39 PM
some laker fans are calling Jordan Clarkson the next Westbrook
Russell a more athletic Steve Nash
Randle Lamar Odom 2

LOL

So after watching some Summer League, if the young guys pan out, the Lakers are in a good position.

My favorite is Jordan Clarkson... seems really confident and I think he be better than Klay Thompson so the Lakers can have their own Splash Bros in Russell and Clarkson.

Let's hope Upshaw has matured and will not succumb to his demons and Yaliu will have the big guy with the "good body" that he wants.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 13, 2015, 03:33:24 PM
So after watching some Summer League, if the young guys pan out, the Lakers are in a good position.

My favorite is Jordan Clarkson... seems really confident and I think he be better than Klay Thompson so the Lakers can have their own Splash Bros in Russell and Clarkson.

Let's hope Upshaw has matured and will not succumb to his demons and Yaliu will have the big guy with the "good body" that he wants.

upshaw is intriguing.. where did he come from?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 13, 2015, 03:33:55 PM
some laker fans are calling Jordan Clarkson the next Westbrook
Russell a more athletic Steve Nash
Randle Lamar Odom 2

LOL

So after watching some Summer League, if the young guys pan out, the Lakers are in a good position.

My favorite is Jordan Clarkson... seems really confident and I think he be better than Klay Thompson so the Lakers can have their own Splash Bros in Russell and Clarkson.

Let's hope Upshaw has matured and will not succumb to his demons and Yaliu will have the big guy with the "good body" that he wants.

lol.. i hate trying to get comparisons. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehusky on July 13, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
This is where he came from.  Like Marcus Peters of our football team, good riddance!

He transferred to UW from Fresno State(?) under suspicious terms so we were asking for it.  Hope he "matures" this time for real.

Huskies center Robert Upshaw dismissed from the program for violation of team rules

Posted by Adam Jude


Robert Upshaw registers one of his six blocks shots during Washington's 56-43 win over Oregon State. (Photo credit: Lindsey Wasson - Seattle Times)
Robert Upshaw registers one of his six blocks shots during Washington’s 56-43 win over Oregon State. (Photo credit: Lindsey Wasson – Seattle Times)

Robert Upshaw, Washington’s 7-foot sophomore center who leads the nation in blocked shots, has been dismissed from the program for an unspecified violation of team rules, UW coach Lorenzo Romar announced Monday afternoon.

It’s the second program from which Upshaw has been dismissed. He landed at UW after being booted at Fresno State following his freshman season.

“We wish Rob well as he moves forward in his life, and we will do our best to support him in the future,” Romar said in a statement.

Romar would not be available for further comment, the statement read.

While he was redshirting at UW last season, Upshaw’s future with the Huskies was uncertain midway through the 2013-14 season after he was prohibited from attending practices or games. Romar said later that Upshaw needed time to focus on off-the-court issues.

He had seemed to turn things around this season while leading the nation with 4.5 blocks per game. He also led UW with 8.2 rebounds per game and was third on the team with 10.9 points per game, shooting 59.3 percent from the field.

“I just got tired of being talked about and not in good way,” Upshaw told The Seattle Times earlier this month. “I got tired of being average. I got tired of being somebody’s joke. Everybody come into the room and it’s ‘Ha-ha. He did this today.’ But it wasn’t anything about basketball.

“Now when you walk into a room and you talk about Robert Upshaw it’s ‘This kid is the top sixth man in the country or the best shot blocker in the country.’ That’s what I like to hear. That’s what I want to be a part of. I’m tired of being average. I put my average ways behind me and now I’m striving to be great.”

Both Upshaw and Romar had talked this season about how the 21-year-old center had matured.

“I’m a completely different person,” Upshaw said earlier this month. “I’ve matured. I’ve become a lot more coachable. I have the trust of my teammates and my coaches to do the right things. I’m just a completely different player. I put in all of my work over the summer to become the best player I need to be and I feel like I’m doing my thing right now.”

Upshaw had 13 points, nine rebounds and five blocks in his final game for UW, a 77-56 loss at Utah on Sunday.


upshaw is intriguing.. where did he come from?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 13, 2015, 04:36:43 PM
thanks. I didn't really see him show up during summer league but will look out.  He should get the ball more.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 14, 2015, 12:19:12 AM
So after watching some Summer League, if the young guys pan out, the Lakers are in a good position.

My favorite is Jordan Clarkson... seems really confident and I think he be better than Klay Thompson so the Lakers can have their own Splash Bros in Russell and Clarkson.

Let's hope Upshaw has matured and will not succumb to his demons and Yaliu will have the big guy with the "good body" that he wants.

Clarkson is balling out of control. ;)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 14, 2015, 04:32:10 AM
So after watching some Summer League, if the young guys pan out, the Lakers are in a good position.

My favorite is Jordan Clarkson... seems really confident and I think he be better than Klay Thompson so the Lakers can have their own Splash Bros in Russell and Clarkson.

Let's hope Upshaw has matured and will not succumb to his demons and Yaliu will have the big guy with the "good body" that he wants.

Clarkson is balling out of control. ;)

Whoa...easy there.  Clarkson shot 45% last year including 31% from 3.   Thompson shot 41% from 3 in his rookie year.   

Russell has shot poorly and committed a bunch of TOs.  This is not to say that Russell cannot be very good but his gameay is much closer to Jason "White Chocolate" Williams than Nash or Curry.

Upshaw is supposedly way out of shape and may not even play in foreseeable future.  I mean you can pick up Javale McGee if you want insane athleticism combined with bad attitude.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 17, 2015, 06:45:06 PM
Russel had 21 points, last game of the summer league for the Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eatthis on July 18, 2015, 12:09:09 AM
Russel had 21 points, last game of the summer league for the Lakers.

He definitely has potential but so far I'm not convince he should have been drafted #2. Probably could have gotten someone just as good with a later pick.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2015, 12:50:08 AM
Russel had 21 points, last game of the summer league for the Lakers.

He definitely has potential but so far I'm not convince he should have been drafted #2. Probably could have gotten someone just as good with a later pick.

Give him some time. Russell needs to zone out the pressure, and play his game. (He's playing with the C talent wise team, the only player that is decent is Clarkson. Hopefully he gets better, when there is better talent on the floor with him during regular season.)

I think Clarkson has potential to go far. (I want to say Kobe, but I will say Jimmy Butler) Clarkson had a monster dunk today. People say, that Clarkson's dunk is the dunk of the summer league.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eatthis on July 18, 2015, 11:56:47 AM
Give him some time. Russell needs to zone out the pressure, and play his game. (He's playing with the C talent wise team, the only player that is decent is Clarkson. Hopefully he gets better, when there is better talent on the floor with him during regular season.)
I hope the coach get the rest of the team moving, cutting and running. When other players are standing around there's not much even the best passer can do.

I think Clarkson has potential to go far. (I want to say Kobe, but I will say Jimmy Butler) Clarkson had a monster dunk today. People say, that Clarkson's dunk is the dunk of the summer league.
At times he reminds me of Westbrook, except more in control.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on August 02, 2015, 11:15:10 AM
Ex Lakers News:

sasha vujacic signs with the Knicks

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/sasha-vujacic-s-knicks-contract-is-fully-guaranteed-for-next-season-080115


Jordan Hill arrested for driving excess of 100 mph, according to the article.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/31/pacers-jordan-hill-arrested-for-reckless-driving-clocked-at-107-mph/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on August 08, 2015, 10:58:08 PM
Jaaaa vaaale mc gee, my main man

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/08/report-lakers-and-mavs-are-frontrunners-to-sign-javale-mcgee/

https://youtu.be/et3LTKx2OaA
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on September 24, 2015, 10:53:29 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1971025-metta-world-peace-to-lakers-latest-contract-details-analysis-and-reaction

Meta World peace signs a one year deal with the Lakers.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on October 08, 2015, 08:40:31 PM
Julius Randle looks pretty good in preseason
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on October 22, 2015, 08:41:35 PM
Russell need to loosen that hair tie.  it's affecting his game. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on October 26, 2015, 02:23:12 PM
lol World Peace made the final 15 roster, and the lakers waived the next Whiteside in Upshaw. what is the management thinking :(
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 26, 2015, 02:28:26 PM
lol World Peace made the final 15 roster, and the lakers waived the next Whiteside in Upshaw. what is the management thinking :(

Idk.

Unless the Lakers make a blockbuster trade, don't think about the playoffs.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on October 26, 2015, 03:23:26 PM
lol World Peace made the final 15 roster, and the lakers waived the next Whiteside in Upshaw. what is the management thinking :(

read that they have an assistant coaching position waiting for him after he's done.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on October 26, 2015, 05:55:52 PM
lol World Peace made the final 15 roster, and the lakers waived the next Whiteside in Upshaw. what is the management thinking :(

Idk.

Unless the Lakers make a blockbuster trade, don't think about the playoffs.
Is anyone thinking this team will make the playoffs? They own't even make .500.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 26, 2015, 06:35:49 PM
lol World Peace made the final 15 roster, and the lakers waived the next Whiteside in Upshaw. what is the management thinking :(

Idk.

Unless the Lakers make a blockbuster trade, don't think about the playoffs.
Is anyone thinking this team will make the playoffs? They own't even make .500.

True. Trade Randall for Cousins?

The Clips have a good chance to make a run.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on October 28, 2015, 04:49:31 PM
Season opener! 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 28, 2015, 04:50:52 PM
Season opener!

They might win today.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 28, 2015, 08:18:35 PM
So far, the Lakers look good. (That being said they are playing against the Twolves)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 28, 2015, 10:21:36 PM
#disappointment
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on October 29, 2015, 08:20:07 AM
So did they blow their #2 pick? So far Okafor looks better but it's only been one game.

Seems like Mudiay might have been a better PG pick but then again, he's playing with no one in Denver.

Might be tough for DRussell to excel in the shadow of Kobe.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on October 29, 2015, 11:26:58 AM
DRussell is a pass first guard and playing with black holes like Kobe, Randle, Young, and Williams will not certainly help especially B Scott played him at off guard.

So did they blow their #2 pick? So far Okafor looks better but it's only been one game.

Seems like Mudiay might have been a better PG pick but then again, he's playing with no one in Denver.

Might be tough for DRussell to excel in the shadow of Kobe.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on October 30, 2015, 07:55:53 PM
2nd game of the season and I'm changing channels already, not a good start.  BP Lakers
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on November 02, 2015, 01:58:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS0M--dU8AAsiwf.jpg)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on November 04, 2015, 11:30:21 AM
Someone told me that more people have made Vegas bets for them to win it all than team LBJ? 
I know the payout is great if lakers are champs, but c'mon... Ridiculous...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on November 13, 2015, 08:08:22 PM
1-8, this sucks...

Go Hornets!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on November 15, 2015, 08:59:47 PM
Winning at home, go Lakers
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on November 15, 2015, 09:10:46 PM
Winning at home, go Lakers

Team tank 2.0

The Lakers pick is protected only if they get 1-3
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on November 24, 2015, 07:52:25 PM
Go lakers!  Stop the record!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on November 24, 2015, 09:21:18 PM
the lakers have 5 assists w/ 2 mins left in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on November 24, 2015, 09:41:58 PM
Go lakers!  Stop the record!
Looks like they will be the record.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on November 29, 2015, 04:56:31 PM
It's official, Kobe announced he will retire after this season.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-kobe-bryant-announces-retirement-after-season-20151129-story.html

(we all knew this would be his last year)

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on November 29, 2015, 06:38:07 PM
We really didn't know until we saw how horrible he is playing.

It's so bad... he should have retired last year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on November 29, 2015, 06:42:40 PM
Lakers look worst this year than last year. 

Keep the 1-3 draft pick. Tank!!!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on December 02, 2015, 11:32:02 PM
Kobe scores 31 lead Lakers to win. (I haven't heard that in a while)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on December 03, 2015, 12:01:09 AM
We need simmons
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on December 03, 2015, 12:02:14 AM
We need simmons

#IhearYa
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on December 11, 2015, 08:55:05 PM
Spurs walked all over the Lakers

On another note GS won in double OT
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on December 11, 2015, 09:09:58 PM
Spurs walked all over the Lakers

On another note GS won in double OT

I like how russell is playing though... Going to be good.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on January 03, 2016, 08:44:23 PM
3 in a row!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 03, 2016, 09:30:55 PM
3 in a row!

Lakers beat the Suns without Bledsoe. (Bledsoe out for the year)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on January 03, 2016, 09:35:20 PM
Why do we suck at tanking?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 03, 2016, 09:44:11 PM
Why do we suck at tanking?

I know. We need to be in super tank mode to get at least a top 3 draft pick.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on January 03, 2016, 09:50:46 PM
Why tank?  We should win a few games to look decent to free agents.  We already have young ones, need some veteran pieces to make a run. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 03, 2016, 10:02:31 PM
Why tank?  We should win a few games to look decent to free agents.  We already have young ones, need some veteran pieces to make a run.

we want the best chance to get the top 3 pick, if we get 4th or below the pick goes to 76ers. By losing games it increases the lottery balls. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on January 03, 2016, 10:10:54 PM
Why tank?  We should win a few games to look decent to free agents.  We already have young ones, need some veteran pieces to make a run.

#Simmons

nuff said
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 03, 2016, 10:16:17 PM
Larry Nance Jr. has been a surprise. I expected more from Randall.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on January 03, 2016, 10:23:47 PM
Larry Nance Jr. has been a surprise. I expected more from Randall.

Randalls short arms keeps him back from being elite.. can't really get shots up over guys without first bumping them to create space. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 04, 2016, 06:48:55 AM
Larry Nance Jr. has been a surprise. I expected more from Randall.

Randalls short arms keeps him back from being elite.. can't really get shots up over guys without first bumping them to create space. 
That's funny.

People were comparing Randall to ZBo but ZBo has really long arms (hence the good rebounding too from ZBo).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on January 04, 2016, 07:50:13 AM
Larry Nance Jr. has been a surprise. I expected more from Randall.

Randalls short arms keeps him back from being elite.. can't really get shots up over guys without first bumping them to create space. 
That's funny.

People were comparing Randall to ZBo but ZBo has really long arms (hence the good rebounding too from ZBo).

sad but true.. something the Lakers should have scouted but not sure if there were any real better guys left to draft at 7?  At PF, you need to be able to shoot over guys. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 07, 2016, 10:09:21 PM
Fun game to watch. Close. Almost

Lakers were down by 27 came back had the lead and lost by three.

#goodtry
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on February 02, 2016, 04:31:25 PM
Not LAL related but still hilarious

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25469886/demarcus-cousins-has-kings-remove-year-of-the-monkey-shirts
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 02, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
Lakers are worst this year than last year.

#jokeofLA
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 02, 2016, 04:41:55 PM
Not LAL related but still hilarious

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25469886/demarcus-cousins-has-kings-remove-year-of-the-monkey-shirts

Lakers should of traded for Cousins at the beginning of the season. (The rumor was Russell and Randle)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on February 04, 2016, 09:32:06 PM
alright, two in a row
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on February 05, 2016, 07:13:07 AM
alright, two in a row

man.. they need to go on a very long losing streak now.  STOP IT!  ;)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 05, 2016, 08:28:19 AM
As Kelvin Washington said on ESPN this morning:

"You got to stop winnin' for Ben Simmons!"
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 12, 2016, 03:32:43 PM
LO was spotted at Kayne's event. Remarkable recovery?

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on February 12, 2016, 03:54:00 PM
LO was spotted at Kayne's event. Remarkable recovery?

wow.. was he talking?  got a new liver or kidney in china?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 13, 2016, 08:30:58 AM
LO was spotted at Kayne's event. Remarkable recovery?

wow.. was he talking? 

I guess so

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/02/09/lamar-odom-recovery-khloe-kardashian/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 19, 2016, 07:28:25 AM
So I hear Lakers are considering keeping Scott as a coach. Since this was Kobe's last year and the team was in rebuild mode this year.

What a joke! Get rid of Scott after this season. There's one more year on his contact after this season. Lakers have a history during coaches and still paying them after since their contracts were guaranteed.

I'm pissed off that the Lakers didn't make any trades. Even though there were a lot of interest in the young cite players and Lou Williams.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 19, 2016, 07:44:52 AM
Who would the Lakers trade for? And who would they give up.

It's not that easy.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on March 06, 2016, 12:41:16 PM
Go lakers!  Never mind..... How do you guard the half court 3 pointer?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on March 06, 2016, 01:38:06 PM
Hmmmmmm...is it possible?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 06, 2016, 08:29:30 PM
So good, although it was more GSW missing their 3s.

Is Huerta the new Nash? :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on March 06, 2016, 09:29:00 PM
Yeah, Warriors had an off night, but I'll take anything.  Lakers set a new record, though nothing to be proud of:

Lowest winning percentage team to beat the best team in the league.   

Deangelo looks pretty good, though his 3 pointer looks lazy as he barely gets off the ground.  Should be fun next season.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on March 18, 2016, 04:04:20 PM
So...Laker fans...do you all want Ben Simmons?  He doesn't shoot 3's and doesn't appear to take control in the clutch.  Hence his team couldn't even make the tournament. 

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on March 18, 2016, 04:21:01 PM
Lakers need a new coach, new management, and new philosophy.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on March 30, 2016, 12:48:01 PM
Lakers need a new coach, new management, and new philosophy.

...and now a new Point Guard.  D'Angelo Russell is toast.  What an idiot. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: shadyoc on March 31, 2016, 05:34:24 PM
No reason why he thought that was a fun joke. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on March 31, 2016, 06:02:03 PM
Bc he's 19.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on April 13, 2016, 11:02:04 PM
Kobe scored 60 points in his final game.

#lakersnation
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on April 14, 2016, 06:37:17 AM
What a nice way to go out. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on April 14, 2016, 06:50:05 AM
What a nice way to go out.

#Epic
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 14, 2016, 07:19:26 AM
I could score 60 if I was the only one shooting. :)

Maybe the Lakers should have done that all season... oh wait.

But it was a great ending, I thought Utah was going to blow them out but I think Silver called the Jazz after he saw GS stomping on Memphis.

I just hope this doesn't give Kobe any second thoughts on retiring... heh.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on April 14, 2016, 07:26:43 AM
Hopefully the Lakers get to keep their draft pick.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 14, 2016, 07:33:28 AM
This was pretty cool, LA Times did an interactive graphic on every shot Kobe took during the last 20 years:

http://graphics.latimes.com/kobe-every-shot-ever/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on April 14, 2016, 07:34:09 AM
"A Twitter outage hit the Los Angeles area during Lakers great Kobe Bryant's final NBA game on Wednesday. Also, the Lakers official Twitter account crashed during the game."

http://abc7.com/sports/twitter-goes-down-during-kobe-bryants-final-game/1290397/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: lnc on April 21, 2016, 03:32:59 PM
Lakers might want to sign this guy up, supposedly his only 17 years old.  :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/high-school-basketball-star-is-30-years-old-officials-say_us_571922fbe4b0d4d3f722b218


https://youtu.be/_WMAmKmY-zs
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 22, 2016, 08:54:40 AM
Clarkson is a restricted free agent this summer.

If you were him, would you stay with the Lakers or go somewhere else?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on April 24, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/david_aldridge/04/24/lakers-to-end-byron-scott-era/index.html

I'll miss the vein popper
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on April 24, 2016, 11:24:57 PM
http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/david_aldridge/04/24/lakers-to-end-byron-scott-era/index.html

I'll miss the vein popper

About time
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on April 25, 2016, 12:33:54 AM
http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/david_aldridge/04/24/lakers-to-end-byron-scott-era/index.html

I'll miss the vein popper

About time

Now if they only could figure out how to get rid of Nick Young....
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on April 29, 2016, 07:24:19 PM
Luke Walton, new coach, hope for the best
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on April 29, 2016, 08:57:51 PM
Luke Walton, new coach, hope for the best

Scott was just too old school. So hopefully Walton can connect with the young guns and develop them.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on April 29, 2016, 09:11:56 PM
I would have gone with jay Wright from Villanova. That dude can actually coach. IHO could have gotten the same record at golden state that Walton had.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 30, 2016, 01:39:57 PM
I would have gone with jay Wright from Villanova. That dude can actually coach. IHO could have gotten the same record at golden state that Walton had.
Yep. Any coach with that GSW team could have won 39 games and any coach with that Laker team would have only won 38 games the last 2 years.

I was leaning towards Kevin Ollie for Durant reasons. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on April 30, 2016, 02:24:30 PM
The lakers are acting like USC and hiring lakers from the past because they know what it means to be a laker (whatever that means). Another shit show for two more years
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on April 30, 2016, 02:37:10 PM
The lakers are acting like USC and hiring lakers from the past because they know what it means to be a laker (whatever that means). Another shit show for two more years

Exactly.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2016, 06:22:03 PM
Lakers get the #2 pick in the draft.

Simmons or Ingram?

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2016, 07:16:56 PM
Lakers get the #2 pick in the draft.

Simmons or Ingram?

Ingram
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
Lakers get the #2 pick in the draft.

Simmons or Ingram?

Ingram

I'm just happy and relieved the Lakers got #2.

We just need to sign 2 big free agents.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
Yup

40m cap. We should be good if management execute
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 17, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
Simmons. The stats he put up as a frosh in college were better than some of the best NBA players, including Shaq at LSU. Folks are obsessed with his J. He knew his limitations, and chose to not take bad Js, when better shots were always available.

Hopefully his J scares the Sixers into taking Ingram to spread the floor for their three bigs who can't shoot outside of the paint.

In any event, I'm extremely relieved we kept the pick, and it was in the top two.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2016, 08:56:31 PM
Simmons. The stats he put up as a frosh in college were better than some of the best NBA players, including Shaq at LSU. Folks are obsessed with his J. He knew his limitations, and chose to not take bad Js, when better shots were always available.

Hopefully his J scares the Sixers into taking Ingram to spread the floor for their three bigs who can't shoot outside of the paint.

In any event, I'm extremely relieved we kept the pick, and it was in the top two.

Drink up. A toast to the Lakers!
(Before we were happy to go deep in the playoffs, now we are happy to get a high pick. Times have changed)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: bones on May 17, 2016, 09:08:51 PM
You guys do realize you don't get to choose between Simmons or Ingram right?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 17, 2016, 09:13:12 PM
You guys do realize you don't get to choose between Simmons or Ingram right?

Are you mocking my lifelong Laker obsession?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2016, 09:17:39 PM
Yup

40m cap. We should be good if management execute

If we sign Durant, it's icing on the cake..
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
Yup

40m cap. We should be good if management execute

If we sign Durant, it's icing on the cake..

Doubt he comes. NBA is a fix. Pleasing small market teams. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 17, 2016, 10:22:50 PM
I'm just happy and relieved the Lakers got #2.
I'm just happy #24 is gone.
Quote
We just need to sign 2 big free agents.
Probably won't happen but we can wish.

And although we can't "pick" Simmons or Ingram, I think either would be fine. The concerns about Simmons' jumpshot is legitimate in the current Curry-shot NBA and then with Ingram, there is worry about his body/strength but maybe he'll turn into a baby KD.

Celtics are looking good with #3 and their current young team.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2016, 10:35:57 PM
You guys do realize you don't get to choose between Simmons or Ingram right?

Are you mocking my lifelong Laker obsession?

#PurpleRain
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2016, 10:39:10 PM
Yup

40m cap. We should be good if management execute

If we sign Durant, it's icing on the cake..

Doubt he comes. NBA is a fix. Pleasing small market teams.

Btw - LBJ can opt out at the end of this season
(But I highly doubt he would go to the Lakers)

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2016, 10:40:58 PM

Hopefully his J scares the Sixers into taking Ingram to spread the floor for their three bigs who can't shoot outside of the paint.


Do you think Embiid will play next season?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on May 18, 2016, 09:46:22 AM
If Embiid does not pan out and gets released/becomes free agent, Lakers can add him to their latest big man reclamation project, following the tradition of Samaki Walker, Kwame Brown, Jordan Hill and Roy Hibbert
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2016, 09:53:47 AM
If Embiid does not pan out and gets released/becomes free agent, Lakers can add him to their latest big man reclamation project, following the tradition of Samaki Walker, Kwame Brown, Jordan Hill and Roy Hibbert

Ha!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2016, 10:44:03 AM
The Sixers will have to trade something.. can't be playing all those big guys.  Interesting  how much lottery talent they have and they still are able to tank. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2016, 10:48:17 AM
The Sixers will have to trade something.. can't be playing all those big guys.  Interesting  how much lottery talent they have and they still are able to tank.

Noel is the best on their roster.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2016, 10:51:13 AM
The Sixers will have to trade something.. can't be playing all those big guys.  Interesting  how much lottery talent they have and they still are able to tank. 
They just don't play them or trade them away for more picks.

And since the NBA is running small ball now, those bigs have less impact on the game. It's a good thing the Lakers didn't pick Okafor (although some still think Porzingas is better than DRuss).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
The Sixers will have to trade something.. can't be playing all those big guys.  Interesting  how much lottery talent they have and they still are able to tank. 
They just don't play them or trade them away for more picks.

And since the NBA is running small ball now, those bigs have less impact on the game. It's a good thing the Lakers didn't pick Okafor (although some still think Porzingas is better than DRuss).

There is no doubt the Zinger is better than Russell.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2016, 11:08:59 AM
Simmons. The stats he put up as a frosh in college were better than some of the best NBA players, including Shaq at LSU. Folks are obsessed with his J. He knew his limitations, and chose to not take bad Js, when better shots were always available.

Hopefully his J scares the Sixers into taking Ingram to spread the floor for their three bigs who can't shoot outside of the paint.

In any event, I'm extremely relieved we kept the pick, and it was in the top two.

Ingram played under Coach K which goes a long way.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 18, 2016, 11:24:32 AM
The Sixers will have to trade something.. can't be playing all those big guys.  Interesting  how much lottery talent they have and they still are able to tank. 
They just don't play them or trade them away for more picks.

And since the NBA is running small ball now, those bigs have less impact on the game. It's a good thing the Lakers didn't pick Okafor (although some still think Porzingas is better than DRuss).

There is no doubt the Zinger is better than Russell.

I'm not prepared to call that with such a small sample size, and considering the completely odd season DLo had to endure playing alongside Kobe's very odd farewell season - not to mention the horrific coaching of Scott.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2016, 11:26:00 AM
The Sixers will have to trade something.. can't be playing all those big guys.  Interesting  how much lottery talent they have and they still are able to tank. 
They just don't play them or trade them away for more picks.

And since the NBA is running small ball now, those bigs have less impact on the game. It's a good thing the Lakers didn't pick Okafor (although some still think Porzingas is better than DRuss).

There is no doubt the Zinger is better than Russell.

I'm not prepared to call that with such a small sample size, and considering the completely odd season DLo had to endure playing alongside Kobe's very odd farewell season - not to mention the horrific coaching of Scott.

indeed

we only got to see flashes of Russell.. and it was good.. then Byron would just do watever he needed to do to tank.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2016, 12:24:25 PM
The Sixers will have to trade something.. can't be playing all those big guys.  Interesting  how much lottery talent they have and they still are able to tank. 
They just don't play them or trade them away for more picks.

And since the NBA is running small ball now, those bigs have less impact on the game. It's a good thing the Lakers didn't pick Okafor (although some still think Porzingas is better than DRuss).

There is no doubt the Zinger is better than Russell.

I'm not prepared to call that with such a small sample size, and considering the completely odd season DLo had to endure playing alongside Kobe's very odd farewell season - not to mention the horrific coaching of Scott.

http://nypost.com/2015/11/09/lakers-hint-they-misjudged-porzingis-as-dangelo-russell-struggles/

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2016, 12:29:50 PM
that's from November.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 18, 2016, 12:35:52 PM
If anyone's into advanced metrics (very popular with baseball and gaining popularity in basketball), there are some compelling stats suggesting DLo could be a star very soon based on usage rate and true shooting percentages, etc.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2016, 12:36:55 PM
that's from November.

In the article Lakers management and Scott thought it will take a long time to develop. (The mindset why the Lakers didn't draft the Zinger)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2016, 12:42:52 PM
"Via Basketball Reference, Porzingis is the only rookie in the history of the NBA to score more than 1000 points, grab 500-plus rebounds, make 75-plus three-pointers and block more than a 100 shots."

Source: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25532256/statistically-knicks-porzingis-goes-where-no-nba-rookie-has-ever-gone

This is Durant praising Porzingis.
"We've got so many guys that are athletic, and big and strong, but he's (Porzingis) a skilled player. He can shoot, he can make the right plays, he can defend, he's a 7-footer that can shoot all the way out to the 3-point line. That's rare. And block shots, that's like, a unicorn in this league. You’ve got to respect what he’s doing. This being New York City, everything is under a microscope, but he’s progressing at a high rate pretty fast, and he’s gonna be a force."

Source: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25462119/durant-praises-porzingis-calls-knicks-rookie-a-basketball-unicorn



Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2016, 12:43:27 PM
that's from November.

In the article Lakers management and Scott thought it will take a long time to develop. (The mindset why the Lakers didn't draft the Zinger)

I think the Lakers wouldn't  have been a good place for any rookie last year.  It was Kobe time.  When he was hurt, it was tank time.  Noway the Lakers wanted to win and lose out on Simmons or Ingram.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2016, 12:44:26 PM
If anyone's into advanced metrics (very popular with baseball and gaining popularity in basketball), there are some compelling stats suggesting DLo could be a star very soon based on usage rate and true shooting percentages, etc.

Wasn't that by ESPN, pre nba season.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 18, 2016, 01:30:13 PM
Here's one article:

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/1/6/10722354/dangelo-russell-la-lakers-highlights-stats-relax

I'm trying to find the ones I saw comparing his advanced metrics for the season to other superstars' rookie campaigns.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2016, 12:05:49 PM
NBA All Rookie Team
Porzingis named to All Rookie Team first team.
Russell named to All Rookie Team second team.

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/05/19/nba-all-rookie-team-karl-anthony-towns-kristaps-porzingis/84599978/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 19, 2016, 12:15:45 PM
Okafor also named first team... heh.

Still think D'Angelo will pan out.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 20, 2016, 01:21:45 PM
BYRON SCOTT SAYS IF DONE AGAIN, LAKERS WOULD TAKE RUSSELL OVER PORZINGIS
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/byron-scott-says-if-done-again-lakers-would-take-russell-over-porzingis?yptr=yahoo
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on May 20, 2016, 01:33:46 PM
just don't sign Derozan....a poor mans Kobe who hogs the offense
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 20, 2016, 01:44:39 PM
I don't understand the desire for DeRozan that all the ESPN guys have.

That will just stymie the development of Clarkson who is cheaper, younger, and has more potential.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 20, 2016, 01:50:25 PM
BYRON SCOTT SAYS IF DONE AGAIN, LAKERS WOULD TAKE RUSSELL OVER PORZINGIS
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/byron-scott-says-if-done-again-lakers-would-take-russell-over-porzingis?yptr=yahoo

Porzingis was named eastern rookie of the month (three of six months)

I think Mudiay is a better point guard than Russell. Mudiay averaged more assists than Russell.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 20, 2016, 02:25:12 PM
BYRON SCOTT SAYS IF DONE AGAIN, LAKERS WOULD TAKE RUSSELL OVER PORZINGIS
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/byron-scott-says-if-done-again-lakers-would-take-russell-over-porzingis?yptr=yahoo

Porzingis was named eastern rookie of the month (three of six months)

I think Mudiay is a better point guard than Russell. Mudiay averaged more assists than Russell.

Russell never got the same opportunity here. This will be the year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 20, 2016, 02:36:14 PM
BYRON SCOTT SAYS IF DONE AGAIN, LAKERS WOULD TAKE RUSSELL OVER PORZINGIS
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/byron-scott-says-if-done-again-lakers-would-take-russell-over-porzingis?yptr=yahoo

Porzingis was named eastern rookie of the month (three of six months)

I think Mudiay is a better point guard than Russell. Mudiay averaged more assists than Russell.

Russell never got the same opportunity here. This will be the year.

No defense like Harden, but doesn't score like Harden.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 20, 2016, 03:18:22 PM
BYRON SCOTT SAYS IF DONE AGAIN, LAKERS WOULD TAKE RUSSELL OVER PORZINGIS
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/byron-scott-says-if-done-again-lakers-would-take-russell-over-porzingis?yptr=yahoo

Porzingis was named eastern rookie of the month (three of six months)

I think Mudiay is a better point guard than Russell. Mudiay averaged more assists than Russell.

Russell never got the same opportunity here. This will be the year.

No defense like Harden, but doesn't score like Harden.

LOL.. funny thing is Harden can play defense.. just doesn't want to.  We'll have to see... I saw the flashes from Russell but he needs to be a focus for this regime to develop.  We have a formidable lineup now with Simmons or Ingram.. but still need a center.  Who can we bring in?  I"d like to see them move randle if they can.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 24, 2016, 12:26:45 PM
Since Porzi seems decent, maybe the Lakers should go Euro also... Dragan Bender?!?

Such a cool name too.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 24, 2016, 12:53:29 PM
Since Porzi seems decent, maybe the Lakers should go Euro also... Dragan Bender?!?

Such a cool name too.

No chance. It's Ingram and Simmons 1 2


Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Bullsback on May 24, 2016, 01:32:26 PM
BYRON SCOTT SAYS IF DONE AGAIN, LAKERS WOULD TAKE RUSSELL OVER PORZINGIS
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/byron-scott-says-if-done-again-lakers-would-take-russell-over-porzingis?yptr=yahoo
Yet another reason why I am still flabbergasted he was ever given the job. What he did with the young Laker players was criminally bad, imo.  Just an awful coach, one of the worst. Unfortunately, only coach I've seen worse is the coach of my franchise, and we kicked out an awesome coach (Thibs) to replace him with utter crap (Hoiberg).  At least the Lakers just went from one awful coach to another awful coach. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 24, 2016, 01:50:19 PM
BYRON SCOTT SAYS IF DONE AGAIN, LAKERS WOULD TAKE RUSSELL OVER PORZINGIS
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/byron-scott-says-if-done-again-lakers-would-take-russell-over-porzingis?yptr=yahoo
Yet another reason why I am still flabbergasted he was ever given the job. What he did with the young Laker players was criminally bad, imo.  Just an awful coach, one of the worst. Unfortunately, only coach I've seen worse is the coach of my franchise, and we kicked out an awesome coach (Thibs) to replace him with utter crap (Hoiberg).  At least the Lakers just went from one awful coach to another awful coach.

1.  Tank rules!

2.  Why second guess the franchise he loves.. he did his job and earned his millions as a scapegoat. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 09, 2016, 07:39:07 PM
So I hear the Knicks want to sign Clarkson. Clarkson if a restricted free agent so the Lakers can match any offer and they have the cap space.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 21, 2016, 09:07:41 AM
On ESPN 710 there have been rumors that the Lakers might trade D'Angelo for another top pick citing the SwaggyP phone issue as a possible impetus.

They could possibly try to get 4 or 5 so they can target Kris Dunn as their new PG.

Not sure if that's a good move but supposedly they are worried about DRuss' locker room maturity.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 21, 2016, 12:46:43 PM
I saw enough from DRuss in the last few weeks of the regular season to know that he's going to be really good.  He's got all the tools to be a really good PG in this league (sort of like a John Wall type). 

The maturity issues will fade as he gets older and takes more control of this team and is a face for the organization.  The LA media can be ruthless and I have a feeling he'll grow up with some tough love.  But you can't teach confidence and DRuss has plenty of that.  Combine that with his skillset and he has potential to be REALLY good. 

I'm not as sold on Julius Randle however.  Something is just not right with him. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 21, 2016, 12:56:28 PM
I saw enough from DRuss in the last few weeks of the regular season to know that he's going to be really good.  He's got all the tools to be a really good PG in this league (sort of like a John Wall type). 

The maturity issues will fade as he gets older and takes more control of this team and is a face for the organization.  The LA media can be ruthless and I have a feeling he'll grow up with some tough love.  But you can't teach confidence and DRuss has plenty of that.  Combine that with his skillset and he has potential to be REALLY good. 

I'm not as sold on Julius Randle however.  Something is just not right with him.

I agree on the conclusion about DLo - keep him! His floor is above average combo scorer. His ceiling is All Star guard. I don't think he's much like Wall at all though. He's more like Harden - average NBA-level athleticism, crafty, changes pace and direction well, and shoots Js well.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: acpme on June 21, 2016, 01:16:28 PM
The SwaggyP debacle was stupid of DAR, but he's 19. He was a lot more mature than most people I knew at 19. He took responsibility, was apologetic, answered every question, and continued to play well, if not better. 2nd game after the incident he led an overtime victory over a good Miami team, with the world's paparazzi hovering over him for the past several days. Sounds like a gamer to me.

SwaggyP was sulking and hiding during this whole time. Also, most people forget to mention that was his 2nd incident in a week or two span where he was caught doing something boneheaded, in that instance with Clarkson. The only good thing Byron did last season was to bench him but he should have kept him away from any of the Laker kids earlier.

If the Lakers give up on DAR, I will be sorely disappointed. Some teams surround their youth with stable veterans like KG. Lakers had MWP and SwaggyP, but yeah lets blame the kid.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 21, 2016, 02:19:53 PM
https://youtu.be/ohJckDIpSPQ
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 21, 2016, 02:37:13 PM
it is called NBA offseason where there is not much news to report so journalists have to speculate and stir things up - the chance of DAR gets traded is the same as Durant goes to Warriors or LBJ comes to the Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 21, 2016, 02:40:58 PM
And because it is the Lakers - only team that gets involved in every trade rumor and always a possible destination for free agents.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 21, 2016, 02:43:08 PM
The SwaggyP debacle was stupid of DAR, but he's 19. He was a lot more mature than most people I knew at 19. He took responsibility, was apologetic, answered every question, and continued to play well, if not better. 2nd game after the incident he led an overtime victory over a good Miami team, with the world's paparazzi hovering over him for the past several days. Sounds like a gamer to me.

SwaggyP was sulking and hiding during this whole time. Also, most people forget to mention that was his 2nd incident in a week or two span where he was caught doing something boneheaded, in that instance with Clarkson. The only good thing Byron did last season was to bench him but he should have kept him away from any of the Laker kids earlier.

If the Lakers give up on DAR, I will be sorely disappointed. Some teams surround their youth with stable veterans like KG. Lakers had MWP and SwaggyP, but yeah lets blame the kid.

DR definitely did something stupid, but I agree with you, owned up to it.  I think someone just compromised his phone in his inner circle.  He knows better now and I hope he can continue to mature.  There is a lot more leeway this year withuout Kobe.. so I think Luke will let him shoot a lot more. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 23, 2016, 04:45:57 PM
As expected, Lakers selected Ingram!!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 23, 2016, 05:00:24 PM
Rumor: kings talking to Lakers for Russell

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 23, 2016, 05:08:24 PM
Rumor: kings talking to Lakers for Russell

Only if we can get boogie
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 23, 2016, 05:10:53 PM
Rumor: kings talking to Lakers for Russell

Only if we can get boogie

Dunn went to the Wolves. So maybe that won't happen.

I guess Rubio might want to leave?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 23, 2016, 05:40:51 PM
Rumor: kings talking to Lakers for Russell

Only if we can get boogie

Dunn went to the Wolves. So maybe that won't happen.

I guess Rubio might want to leave?

They are trying to trade him
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 24, 2016, 07:23:33 AM
So now which free agent do the Lakers go after.? No more Kobe to dissuade anyone.

Dwight? :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 24, 2016, 07:36:48 AM
So now which free agent do the Lakers go after.? No more Kobe to dissuade anyone.

Dwight? :)

I heard one of the teams Dwight is considering NY.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: acpme on June 24, 2016, 10:57:29 AM
Please let the Dwightmare go to NY. Basically anywhere but LA.
Carmelo, DRose, and Dwight will be an awesome combo. All 3 guys who are no longer great but think they should be the focal point of an offense.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 24, 2016, 11:06:55 AM
Lakers should go for Horford or Whiteside, and preserve rest of their cap room by getting 1 year veteran rentals for 2017 where there are bigger fishes. I expect Durant and Lebron to sign 1+1 deals. With a young nucleus + an established center, it will be easy to sign 2 MAX players in 2017 to form the next dynasty
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 24, 2016, 11:08:08 AM
Please let the Dwightmare go to NY. Basically anywhere but LA.
Carmelo, DRose, and Dwight will be an awesome combo. All 3 guys who are no longer great but think they should be the focal point of an offense.

Why do Lakers fan under estimate the Talent of Parzingis?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: acpme on June 24, 2016, 03:04:11 PM
I wouldn't underestimate Porzingis, but I wouldn't overestimate the selfishlessness of Melo and Rose.
Especially in a contract yr for Rose, and he was whining about getting paid last year after playing part time for years. Is he going to play team ball running the offense through Porzingis? Fat chance
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 24, 2016, 03:18:50 PM
I wouldn't underestimate Porzingis, but I wouldn't overestimate the selfishlessness of Melo and Rose.
Especially in a contract yr for Rose, and he was whining about getting paid last year after playing part time for years. Is he going to play team ball running the offense through Porzingis? Fat chance

Bleacher Reports IG - Knicks have a Big 3
https://www.instagram.com/p/BG-D4QoDBsn/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 26, 2016, 02:46:37 PM
Rumor GS expected to hire Mike Brown. (Ex Lakers coach)
#IcantstopLaughing


http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/26/golden-state-warriors-expected-hire-mike-brown-assistant
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 26, 2016, 03:33:36 PM
Rumor GS expected to hire Mike Brown. (Ex Lakers coach)
#IcantstopLaughing


http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/26/golden-state-warriors-expected-hire-mike-brown-assistant

Speaking of Mike Brown. He used to live in Anheim Hills.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/23/business/la-fi-hot-property-mike-brown-20130423
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: acpme on June 26, 2016, 04:51:12 PM
Brown isnt a head coach but as a defensive assistant, not a bad move. No one has ever knocked his coaching. He just didn't have the commanding personality to manage superstars.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: B2FiNiTY on June 26, 2016, 06:12:03 PM
Mike brown lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 26, 2016, 07:59:54 PM
Good move.. I heard he was always impressive with the Xs and Os... probably not HC material anymore.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 27, 2016, 12:21:16 PM
No one has ever knocked his coaching.

My Update:
I previously said the Cavs didn't go to the Finals, but they did. (My bad) They were swept by the Spurs.
He coached Lebron for five seasons.


Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 27, 2016, 01:06:59 PM
No one has ever knocked his coaching.

He coached Lebron for five seasons and didn't go the the Finals. Then Lebron left Cleveland for Miami.

Was he coach when they played San Antonio?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 27, 2016, 01:18:25 PM
No one has ever knocked his coaching.

He coached Lebron for five seasons and didn't go the the Finals. Then Lebron left Cleveland for Miami.

Was he coach when they played San Antonio?

You are correct. Mike Brown was the coach of the Cavs when they played the Spurs in the Finals. (Spurs swept the Cavs in 4 games)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: acpme on June 27, 2016, 01:45:41 PM
No one has ever knocked his coaching.

He coached Lebron for five seasons and didn't go the the Finals. Then Lebron left Cleveland for Miami.

Was he coach when they played San Antonio?

You are correct. Mike Brown was the coach of the Cavs when they played the Spurs in the Finals. (Spurs swept the Cavs in 4 games)

LBJ has managed to have passive-aggressive relationships with every coach. Spoelstra was not championship HC material, until he was. He was on the edge of getting fired but today has 2 rings. Mike Brown and David Blatt could have rings today if just a few things went differently. Not sure what Tyron Lue did other than happening to be there when LBJ and Kyrie played out of their minds. So I think we're giving the HCs both too much credit and blame.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 27, 2016, 02:30:38 PM
Is it really a good idea to go max on Whiteside with his possible personality issues?

I would rather spend less money on Bismack who is only 23 compared to Whiteside's 27 (or Horford's 30).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 27, 2016, 02:35:27 PM
Is it really a good idea to go max on Whiteside with his possible personality issues?

I would rather spend less money on Bismack who is only 23 compared to Whiteside's 27 (or Horford's 30).

What issues does he have?  The kid is pretty legit.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 27, 2016, 02:35:50 PM
Is it really a good idea to go max on Whiteside with his possible personality issues?

I would rather spend less money on Bismack who is only 23 compared to Whiteside's 27 (or Horford's 30).

I think it's a good idea to go for Whiteside.  Lakers can afford the risk...they have a ton of cap room and the cap it going WAY up.  They need to bring in someone with cache to entice that 2nd free agent either this year or next.  Bismack or Horford isn't going to make other free agents choose the Lakers.  I know Durant is not coming to LA, but would give it more consideration if Whiteside were there, instead of Bismack. 

Who are the big free agents next year other than Westbrook? 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 27, 2016, 03:05:36 PM
I think Bismack has the potential to be better without the ejections and injuries.

I don't think Whiteside is a free agent draw... if he can't get along in Miami with Wade and Riley there... it's a red flag.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 27, 2016, 03:15:20 PM
I think Bismack has the potential to be better without the ejections and injuries.

I don't think Whiteside is a free agent draw... if he can't get along in Miami with Wade and Riley there... it's a red flag.

I must've been too busy during the regular season to realize the Whiteside wasn't getting along with Wade or Riley.  How bad was it?  Like Dwight and Harden?  Or Boogie and Karl?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 28, 2016, 02:56:23 PM
Kobe Bryant and Jackie Chan (from Bleacher report IG)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHLYYYwjZAG
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 28, 2016, 04:16:06 PM
do you trust Bismack's listed age?
there is speculation Ibaka is older than his listing age as evident by his decline in the last couple years; also similar accusation on Bucks draftee Thong Maker. It is not uncommon for African born players to fake their age to gain advantage in soccer and basketball. An athletic 23 year old with raw basketball skills is a lot less attractive than a 19 year old.

I think Bismack has the potential to be better without the ejections and injuries.

I don't think Whiteside is a free agent draw... if he can't get along in Miami with Wade and Riley there... it's a red flag.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 29, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
do you trust Bismack's listed age?
there is speculation Ibaka is older than his listing age as evident by his decline in the last couple years; also similar accusation on Bucks draftee Thong Maker. It is not uncommon for African born players to fake their age to gain advantage in soccer and basketball. An athletic 23 year old with raw basketball skills is a lot less attractive than a 19 year old.
Heh... same thing went around when Bismack was drafted in 2011. Back then they speculated he was really 22 or 23... so even at 27 or 28, he's still the same age as Whiteside and younger than Horford.

If you look at Bismack's stats when he plays more minutes, it's very close to Whiteside's. And he should be cheaper freeing up money to get another quality free agent.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 29, 2016, 09:10:32 AM
do you trust Bismack's listed age?
there is speculation Ibaka is older than his listing age as evident by his decline in the last couple years; also similar accusation on Bucks draftee Thong Maker. It is not uncommon for African born players to fake their age to gain advantage in soccer and basketball. An athletic 23 year old with raw basketball skills is a lot less attractive than a 19 year old.
Heh... same thing went around when Bismack was drafted in 2011. Back then they speculated he was really 22 or 23... so even at 27 or 28, he's still the same age as Whiteside and younger than Horford.

If you look at Bismack's stats when he plays more minutes, it's very close to Whiteside's. And he should be cheaper freeing up money to get another quality free agent.

According to your analysis IHO, Bismack is a good deal with value?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 29, 2016, 09:29:15 AM
I think Bismack would be a better fit and easier to manage with the Lakers than Whiteside.

I like Horford too as he is a veteran and with a team of youngsters, that would help... but he didn't really impress me in the ATL playoffs.

I find it funny that people are wondering why KD won't give the Lakers an interview considering:

1. They just drafted Ingram who plays the same position (so it would be bad for either player if KD came to the Lakers)

2. He's probably doing that to spite Steven A. Smith.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 29, 2016, 09:31:27 AM
I think Bismack would be a better fit and easier to manage with the Lakers than Whiteside.

I like Horford too as he is a veteran and with a team of youngsters, that would help... but he didn't really impress me in the ATL playoffs.

I find it funny that people are wondering why KD won't give the Lakers an interview considering:

1. They just drafted Ingram who plays the same position (so it would be bad for either player if KD came to the Lakers)

2. He's probably doing that to spite Steven A. Smith.

How about add this
3. He wants to win a title or the chance of winning a title.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 29, 2016, 10:00:55 AM
sign a defensive and mobile 5, and stretch 4's. reserve cap room and keep the pipe dream of signing KD and WB together next year. must trade Randle.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 29, 2016, 11:25:20 AM
sign a defensive and mobile 5, and stretch 4's. reserve cap room and keep the pipe dream of signing KD and WB together next year. must trade Randle.

Do you mean sign Ryan Anderson?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 29, 2016, 01:02:04 PM
I like Horford as our 5/stretch 4...he's a perfect fit in the new passing offense that Luke will put in here.  He can shoot/pass/defend

I don't think whiteside will leave Miami and if he does, it's said that he prefers dallas over us and I have some concerns over his attitude...especially once he gets a fat contract, he gives me a Bynum vibe

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 29, 2016, 01:25:30 PM
What do you think of Horford's age?

I like Horford as our 5/stretch 4...he's a perfect fit in the new passing offense that Luke will put in here.  He can shoot/pass/defend

I don't think whiteside will leave Miami and if he does, it's said that he prefers dallas over us and I have some concerns over his attitude...especially once he gets a fat contract, he gives me a Bynum vibe
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 29, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
What do you think of Horford's age?

I like Horford as our 5/stretch 4...he's a perfect fit in the new passing offense that Luke will put in here.  He can shoot/pass/defend

I don't think whiteside will leave Miami and if he does, it's said that he prefers dallas over us and I have some concerns over his attitude...especially once he gets a fat contract, he gives me a Bynum vibe

Too old for the Lakers.  Just about right for the Mavs.  Vice versa for Whiteside.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 29, 2016, 01:33:53 PM
What do you think of Horford's age?

I like Horford as our 5/stretch 4...he's a perfect fit in the new passing offense that Luke will put in here.  He can shoot/pass/defend

I don't think whiteside will leave Miami and if he does, it's said that he prefers dallas over us and I have some concerns over his attitude...especially once he gets a fat contract, he gives me a Bynum vibe

He's 30 right now not 32-33...obviously I'd prefer someone younger
but I would have no concerns giving him a 3 year deal, throw in a team option 4th year if you have to...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 29, 2016, 01:36:47 PM
How about add this
3. He wants to win a title or the chance of winning a title.
Ahh yes... that's actually the #1 reason for the KDsnub.

Horford may not leave ATL, they can pay him more.

Let's face it, the Lakers don't have the cachet they once had for free agents. Dwight left, CP3 stayed with the Clippers (for all of the Laker fans who feels Stern robbed the Lakers, if CP3 wanted to be a Laker, he would have switched), Monroe went to Milwaukee for less, Melo stayed in NY, Aldridge went to the spurs... even Gasol left for less money in Chicago.

It's all on the kids, which I don't mind... can't wait to see D'Angelo unfettered by Byron and Ingram scoring on everyone.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 29, 2016, 01:44:04 PM
How about add this
3. He wants to win a title or the chance of winning a title.
Ahh yes... that's actually the #1 reason for the KDsnub.

Horford may not leave ATL, they can pay him more.

Let's face it, the Lakers don't have the cachet they once had for free agents. Dwight left, CP3 stayed with the Clippers (for all of the Laker fans who feels Stern robbed the Lakers, if CP3 wanted to be a Laker, he would have switched), Monroe went to Milwaukee for less, Melo stayed in NY, Aldridge went to the spurs... even Gasol left for less money in Chicago.

It's all on the kids, which I don't mind... can't wait to see D'Angelo unfettered by Byron and Ingram scoring on everyone.

You're right!
Laker fan for life, but we suck...we have holes in many positions, we're not one free agent away from contending, probably 3-4...and to be honest even if we added both derozen/whiteside, we probably would have issues winning 50 games

but it's an exciting time for sure to see the young kids develop, been hearing Russell and Clarkson putting in work and I can't wait to see ingram develop.  I think he can really be special or at least KD lite.  We just have to keep letting those guys develop while keeping our cap options friendly.  At face value, we don't have any franchise players now, but one could develop into one *my homer pick being ingram or ruseell)

I like guys like horford since they will complement the team well and won't hinder development and can add a few wins.  I would be against adding a derozen since he would be taking shots away
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 29, 2016, 01:49:29 PM
I don't want to throw in the towel before free agency begins. But this might be like last year. Lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 29, 2016, 01:58:58 PM
The one thing the Lakers have for them this year than the last 3 in free agency... no Kobe.

:)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 29, 2016, 02:05:02 PM
The one thing the Lakers have for them this year than the last 3 in free agency... no Kobe.

:)

Exactly! going into free agency is at least better than last year
LAst year it was ..Kobe is retiring, he's going to chuck like no other..come join! LA is great! Here's Adam Levine!

This year.. no kobe! You can grow with us...we don't  have a franchise player but we have pieces with potential...come to LA


the interesting rumor I've been hearing is that if Golden state has a great meeting with Durant, they need to move pieces to create the cap space.  We could literally assist them by "absorbing" iggy/bogut etc for free or a 2nd rounder...doesn't hurt our long term goals, get free pieces = win win
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 29, 2016, 06:23:31 PM
So I hear N. Batum will talk with the Lakers.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 30, 2016, 07:24:13 AM
Funny Bleacher Report video: KD won't meet with the Lakers (they replaced the kids head with Russell in the old commercial w/ KD)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHQuWoIjBtA
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 30, 2016, 01:31:50 PM
The rumor is Lakers will not get a meeting with whiteside.

Before people blame Kobe that the FA wouldn't sign with the Lakers. So who's fault is it now, that top free agents don't want to meet with the Lakers. (KD/Whiteside)

Not a good start to the FA period.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 30, 2016, 02:29:37 PM
It's still Kobe's fault in a way.

He didn't help recruit FAs who would then be the ones to recruit new FAs.

Laker fans keep telling me that players would be stupid not to want to play/live in LA and to be part of the purple and gold legacy... but they are living in the past. NBA stars can make money wherever they play and as proven by Lebron, win championships elsewhere.

Most of the commercials/ads/endorsements/shoes I see nowadays are from non-Laker players.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 30, 2016, 02:37:39 PM
I have another theory:
You got TMZ covering Nick Young a lot, you got trust issues among players with Russell secret recording. (I read an article on lakersnation regarding the trust issue topic)

Does this sound attractive or what?

It's still Kobe's fault in a way.

He didn't help recruit FAs who would then be the ones to recruit new FAs.

Laker fans keep telling me that players would be stupid not to want to play/live in LA and to be part of the purple and gold legacy... but they are living in the past. NBA stars can make money wherever they play and as proven by Lebron, win championships elsewhere.

Most of the commercials/ads/endorsements/shoes I see nowadays are from non-Laker players.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 30, 2016, 03:01:53 PM
Maybe free agents don't like the idea of being in the same division as the Warriors, who have their core locked up for several years.....or it's that Jim Buss is around. 

Either way, the Lakers are screwed for now.  At least they now have some tradeable assets. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 30, 2016, 03:07:19 PM
Maybe free agents don't like the idea of being in the same division as the Warriors, who have their core locked up for several years.....or it's that Jim Buss is around. 

Either way, the Lakers are screwed for now.  At least they now have some tradeable assets.

If we can get a good center, i think we will be fine.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 30, 2016, 03:52:39 PM
Quote from: jmoney74
If we can get a good center, i think we will be fine.
So Whiteside is out.

Is anyone on my Bismarck bandwagon yet?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on June 30, 2016, 09:35:07 PM
haha Timofey Mozgov
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 30, 2016, 09:37:11 PM
What's your thoughts on Mazgov?
4/65 deal
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 30, 2016, 10:07:17 PM
RIP lakers...it's over

4/65 vs the assumed 4/72 noah deal
i think noah is the better deal

hell..we should've just thrown the max to batum instead or even parsons....get a nice wing
in today's league, randle/larry nance can be that small ball 5 *like draymond or tristan thompson*

If we struck out on all the FA and ended up with Mozgov, fine! but first call to mozgov...wow
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 30, 2016, 10:09:44 PM
RIP lakers...it's over

4/65 vs the assumed 4/72 noah deal
i think noah is the better deal

hell..we should've just thrown the max to batum instead or even parsons....get a nice wing
in today's league, randle/larry nance can be that small ball 5 *like draymond or tristan thompson*

If we struck out on all the FA and ended up with Mozgov, fine! but first call to mozgov...wow

I'd rather pay Bynum 4/65   >:(
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 30, 2016, 10:14:41 PM
I still can't believe this is our 5 of the future

whiteside/horford/dwight not interested..fine...
I would've preferred biyombo or mahinmi for that same deal or even ezeli

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 30, 2016, 10:18:56 PM
RIP lakers...it's over

4/65 vs the assumed 4/72 noah deal
i think noah is the better deal

hell..we should've just thrown the max to batum instead or even parsons....get a nice wing
in today's league, randle/larry nance can be that small ball 5 *like draymond or tristan thompson*

If we struck out on all the FA and ended up with Mozgov, fine! but first call to mozgov...wow

Update: it's a 4/64 deal

#gotadiscount
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 30, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
RIP lakers...it's over

4/65 vs the assumed 4/72 noah deal
i think noah is the better deal

hell..we should've just thrown the max to batum instead or even parsons....get a nice wing
in today's league, randle/larry nance can be that small ball 5 *like draymond or tristan thompson*

If we struck out on all the FA and ended up with Mozgov, fine! but first call to mozgov...wow

Update: it's a 4/64 deal

#gotadiscount

If that 4th year isn't a team option, im puking
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on June 30, 2016, 10:21:21 PM
So sad...
They're about 7-8 players away from contention now
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 30, 2016, 10:24:24 PM

Check out other Free agent centers the lakers missed out on.

http://hoopshype.com/2016/06/29/nba-free-agency-2016-centers/

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 30, 2016, 10:31:47 PM
As the eternal optimist, we have 30 million left to spend

they did their stupid stunt with getting a 5, now at least all their energy now is used on getting a decent wing...batum/derozen/barnes/bazemore/parsons...tho at this rate, wouldn't be surprised we end with Eric Gordon

tho current rumor is that we like evan turner...decent player non shooter
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 30, 2016, 11:02:44 PM
RIP lakers...it's over

4/65 vs the assumed 4/72 noah deal
i think noah is the better deal

hell..we should've just thrown the max to batum instead or even parsons....get a nice wing
in today's league, randle/larry nance can be that small ball 5 *like draymond or tristan thompson*

If we struck out on all the FA and ended up with Mozgov, fine! but first call to mozgov...wow

I'd rather pay Bynum 4/65   >:(

I'd rather have Kwame Brown for 4/65
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 30, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
As the eternal optimist, we have 30 million left to spend

they did their stupid stunt with getting a 5, now at least all their energy now is used on getting a decent wing...batum/derozen/barnes/bazemore/parsons...tho at this rate, wouldn't be surprised we end with Eric Gordon

tho current rumor is that we like evan turner...decent player non shooter

Parsons got offered near max or max by Portland. (But he hasn't decided?)

DeRozan is staying with Toronto 5/139
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 30, 2016, 11:20:57 PM
As the eternal optimist, we have 30 million left to spend

they did their stupid stunt with getting a 5, now at least all their energy now is used on getting a decent wing...batum/derozen/barnes/bazemore/parsons...tho at this rate, wouldn't be surprised we end with Eric Gordon

tho current rumor is that we like evan turner...decent player non shooter

Parsons got offered near max or max by Portland. (But he hasn't decided?)

DeRozan is staying with Toronto 5/139

batum..plz take our money

current rumor is that we didn't even call horford's agent before giving 4/64 to Mozgov  ???
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: lovingit on June 30, 2016, 11:35:14 PM
Worst decision ever.  I was happy about Ingram but Mozgov......terrible.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 01:41:55 AM
Clarkson will stay with the Lakers 4/50 deal.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 01:43:29 AM
As the eternal optimist, we have 30 million left to spend

they did their stupid stunt with getting a 5, now at least all their energy now is used on getting a decent wing...batum/derozen/barnes/bazemore/parsons...tho at this rate, wouldn't be surprised we end with Eric Gordon

tho current rumor is that we like evan turner...decent player non shooter

Parsons got offered near max or max by Portland. (But he hasn't decided?)

DeRozan is staying with Toronto 5/139

batum..plz take our money

current rumor is that we didn't even call horford's agent before giving 4/64 to Mozgov  ???

Sorry. Batum reached a deal w/ the Hornets.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 01, 2016, 05:40:48 AM
Worst decision ever.  I was happy about Ingram but Mozgov......terrible.

Mozgov makes no sense on this Laker team. I guess the Warriors found use for Bogut in their fast paced offense. So, there's hope? That's a lot of money committed to a guy who'll likely play ~18 minutes per game.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 06:26:41 AM
Whiteside to sign with the Heat.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 07:09:49 AM
Lin going to the Nets 3/36.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 01, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mozgov will be as productive as hibbert was.  Waste of money.  Hope he proves me wrong.

Use remaining cap space and get jerry west.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2016, 07:42:27 AM
Clarkson is a bargain compared to the insane money other guards are getting... like Bradley Beal. And he's better than Lin.

Mozgov isn't bad, I'd rather have him than Noah (NY is going to be the all-injury team). Still not sure why they didn't go after Bismack, he has more upside than Timofey.

So no Batum... which would just stymie Ingram... anyone of value left?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 01, 2016, 07:50:41 AM
Maybe I just don't see mozgov being a good fit in a young team with fresh legs, unless l.walton decides to run some type of hybrid triangle offense he learned under phil and mozgov would be more of a bill wennington, luc longley, Cartwright type of role...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2016, 08:24:25 AM
Mozgov will be as productive as hibbert was.  Waste of money.  Hope he proves me wrong.

Use remaining cap space and get jerry west.

he's better than hibbert.  lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2016, 09:09:34 AM
The Age of Mozgov has begun!   ::)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2016, 09:15:25 AM
Isn't Al Jefferson a free agent? Why no news on him?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 01, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
Mozgov?  Great, bet Griffin is happy :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 01, 2016, 09:36:28 AM
3/30 million with the Pacers.

Mozgov got 16 per, Al Jeff got 10 per.

lol the Lakers are going down hard.

Isn't Al Jefferson a free agent? Why no news on him?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 01, 2016, 09:43:14 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/1/12077938/lakers-exceptionalism-nba-free-agency-2016-timofey-mozgov

ouch
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 09:48:39 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/1/12077938/lakers-exceptionalism-nba-free-agency-2016-timofey-mozgov

ouch

We talked about it yesterday on TI. The top talented players are not signing with the Lakers. 



Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 01, 2016, 09:51:20 AM
But why overpay a sub par player.  Makes no sense.  Fire buss asap. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 01, 2016, 09:52:47 AM
Maybe I just don't see mozgov being a good fit in a young team with fresh legs, unless l.walton decides to run some type of hybrid triangle offense he learned under phil and mozgov would be more of a bill wennington, luc longley, Cartwright type of role...

Agreed, but Bogut is a big tall stiff too, and he seems to work sufficiently well in the Ws' offense.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 01, 2016, 09:55:44 AM
If nothing else, Mozgov provides an enormous body to set screen after screen for the young guns. At 30 mins per, he should get double-digit boards. I'm not sure how much of a defensive presence he is. He's long, that's certain.

It's an upgrade. A very, very, expensive upgrade at the 5.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 01, 2016, 09:57:43 AM
(http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/1134470-mike-smrek-of-the-los-angeles-lakers-shoots-a-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=4HT9m3c9Is0vm7uuPFcFLoI8zQlsJqB14EpckYLbYYDSUWb9X0Xu2Fw7A5KdwgNT)

The next Mike Smrek
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2016, 10:05:03 AM
Still wondering why not spend less on AlJeff... or see what Bismack is asking for.

Even check on Fezili or Mahini.... it's not like there was a huge demand for Timofey (although there was interest from other teams).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 01, 2016, 10:11:47 AM
Because the lakers already know those guys are out or reach....better get a 30yr old poster center than nothing
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 10:15:20 AM
Still wondering why not spend less on AlJeff... or see what Bismack is asking for.

Even check on Fezili or Mahini.... it's not like there was a huge demand for Timofey (although there was interest from other teams).

We don't know, but we can just guess.
Speculation: the LA team reached out and the agents said no or told them to wait.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 01, 2016, 10:20:24 AM
Still wondering why not spend less on AlJeff... or see what Bismack is asking for.

Even check on Fezili or Mahini.... it's not like there was a huge demand for Timofey (although there was interest from other teams).

Jefferson is an old Okafor - a ball-stop scorer in the post, and a huge defensive liability. The Lakers didn't want/need Okafor, and they don't want Jefferson.

I'd prefer Fezili to Mozgov, but Fezili is very similar to Tarick Black. Why not just keep Black for much less?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2016, 10:23:20 AM
Still wondering why not spend less on AlJeff... or see what Bismack is asking for.

Even check on Fezili or Mahini.... it's not like there was a huge demand for Timofey (although there was interest from other teams).

Jefferson is an old Okafor - a ball-stop scorer in the post, and a huge defensive liability. The Lakers didn't want/need Okafor, and they don't want Jefferson.

I'd prefer Fezili to Mozgov, but Fezili is very similar to Tarick Black. Why not just keep Black for much less?

aren't we keeping black?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 10:28:35 AM
Still wondering why not spend less on AlJeff... or see what Bismack is asking for.

Even check on Fezili or Mahini.... it's not like there was a huge demand for Timofey (although there was interest from other teams).

Jefferson is an old Okafor - a ball-stop scorer in the post, and a huge defensive liability. The Lakers didn't want/need Okafor, and they don't want Jefferson.

I'd prefer Fezili to Mozgov, but Fezili is very similar to Tarick Black. Why not just keep Black for much less?

aren't we keeping black?

They made a qualifying offer to Black.

http://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/160630_qualifyingOffers/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 01, 2016, 10:30:11 AM
Yep I would've just gotten ezeli or mahinmi for much cheaper

This current nba..we need quick mobile players who can defend the pick and roll and move their feet well...we def didn't need a mozgov type lumbering big man...just look at pau gasol on defense, he's abysmal..

I think this move will haunt our capspace for years to come and I don't think he's easily tradeable

I've been hearing reports of people wanting horford...we could've just absorbed kanter for his 17 mil contract instead...

plus side, he sets good picks for our guys..and rolls hard to basket
cons... terrible plus/minus..he's terrible in pick and roll defense..stone hands..
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 01, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
it is an upgrade guys. dont panic
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmQY-sqUsAAFL3Y.jpg)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2016, 10:47:28 AM
Yep I would've just gotten ezeli or mahinmi for much cheaper

This current nba..we need quick mobile players who can defend the pick and roll and move their feet well...we def didn't need a mozgov type lumbering big man...just look at pau gasol on defense, he's abysmal..

I think this move will haunt our capspace for years to come and I don't think he's easily tradeable

I've been hearing reports of people wanting horford...we could've just absorbed kanter for his 17 mil contract instead...

plus side, he sets good picks for our guys..and rolls hard to basket
cons... terrible plus/minus..he's terrible in pick and roll defense..stone hands..

The league will change again. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 01, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
would you guys sign parsons/bazemore/barnes for the max?
Or just hold onto the capspace for next year?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 11:21:11 AM
would you guys sign parsons/bazemore/barnes for the max?
Or just hold onto the capspace for next year?

No way!!!

Get 1 year deals w/ team option for second.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 01, 2016, 11:28:29 AM
would you guys sign parsons/bazemore/barnes for the max?
Or just hold onto the capspace for next year?

Nope. The goal isn't to win games. The goal should be to develop the young guys. If we win games, and lose the 2017 first round pick, so be it. However, I don't want to bring in one of those guys who'll likely take minutes away from the current young Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2016, 12:06:31 PM
So funny, on ESPN 710  they are justifying this move by saying that the Lakers are recognizing their lack of being able to draw free agents to LA.

What this doesn't account for is that good free agents are either staying at or going to teams that aren't any better than the Lakers (in regards to winning a ring) and for less money. Pau did this, Monroe did this... and almost every free agent that the Lakers fans want this season are doing it.

I don't care if AlJeff doesn't fit in Luke's defense, I just know he's a better center than Mozgov and cost $6m less per year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 12:24:06 PM
Turner agrees with Portland.
4/70

#saywhat
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 01, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Turner agrees with Portland.
4/70

#saywhat


Good fit..his lack of shooting is non an issue with lillard/cj mccullum
parsons to Memphis max..means conley is 90% back to Memphis too

dallas looses out on everyone it seems
hornets are done, lost al jeff, Jeremy lin in same off season...and paying batum the max
pacers are a dark horse now..Teague/monta/paul George/turner/al jeff
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 01, 2016, 01:44:49 PM
Turner agrees with Portland.
4/70

#saywhat

Mozgov contract isn't so laughable just a few hours later, eh?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 01, 2016, 01:48:37 PM
Turner agrees with Portland.
4/70

#saywhat

Turner has bounced around the league, and played a reserve role for the Celts last season averaging: 28 mins, 10.5 pts, 4.9 rebs, 4.4 asts, on 45% FG% and TWENTY FOUR PERCENT 3FG%!

Wow. And we're just beginning this free agency period. Could there be a more insane contract than this lying in wait?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 01, 2016, 01:55:09 PM
Insane numbers indeed.
#Wageinequality.

I'm waiting to hear any contract deal for Anthony Bennett aka #number1bustofalltime. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 01, 2016, 01:56:40 PM
The cap is higher this year.. and max contract.. This is the new NBA.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 02:07:03 PM
Insane numbers indeed.
#Wageinequality.

I'm waiting to hear any contract deal for Anthony Bennett aka #number1bustofalltime.

How about this?
Delly 4/38 with Bucks
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 03:41:30 PM
Dwight to Atlanta.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 01, 2016, 03:49:39 PM
Dwight to Atlanta.

Wow! I'm not sure he's quite worth $23 million a year
but a 3 year contract? that's a no brainer even if it's a slight overpay

we had to give mozgov a 4th year...

I assume horford is on the way out now or their front court is a bit jammed.  Dwight was probably promised a starting role
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 01, 2016, 04:57:46 PM
http://time.com/money/4391283/timofey-mozgov-64-million-contract-lakers/

So mozgov will make more than curry next year...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 05:03:49 PM
http://time.com/money/4391283/timofey-mozgov-64-million-contract-lakers/

So mozgov will make more than curry next year...

What's your thoughts on Conley? (Richest contact in NBA history)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 01, 2016, 05:31:35 PM
http://time.com/money/4391283/timofey-mozgov-64-million-contract-lakers/

So mozgov will make more than curry next year...

What's your thoughts on Conley? (Richest contact in NBA history)
Ridonkulous.  Maybe I haven't kept up with sports inflation but no way he's worth $150m... I mean I wouldn't go to a game to specifically watch him play
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 01, 2016, 07:55:21 PM
As the eternal optimist, we have 30 million left to spend

they did their stupid stunt with getting a 5, now at least all their energy now is used on getting a decent wing...batum/derozen/barnes/bazemore/parsons...tho at this rate, wouldn't be surprised we end with Eric Gordon

tho current rumor is that we like evan turner...decent player non shooter

Bazemore 4/70 Atlanta
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 01, 2016, 09:36:46 PM
The thing we have to remember is the cap goes up again next year.

In 2 or 3 years, Conley's contract may not look so big.

In other LA news, Clippers had a 4-hour meeting with KD and he was "blown away". Steve Balmer probably promised him Surface tablets for life. :)

And DJ is a long-time friend of KD's.

Speaking of DeAndre, can the Lakers have a do-over on the Mozgov deal?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 01, 2016, 10:05:58 PM
Hey who knows, maybe it'll work out.. AK-47, Drago, Mozgov?  Maybe he'll have a career year.. and flourish under Luke.  15-10 per game/season.  I have hope. 

(http://images.rapgenius.com/575e755a7681256d104a215f8c2ee784.480x270x1.jpg)

And there's always another.. next year...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2016, 05:24:42 AM
Luol Deng to the LAKERS!!!   ;)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 02, 2016, 07:34:17 AM
Luol Deng to the LAKERS!!!   ;)

Lol man
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 02, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
Haha not even too mad about this deal. Yes he's over his prime and I don't like 4 year deals that bring him to 35 on his 4th year...but he's a solid vet, plays defense, and can teach Ingram as a mentor. Proves 2 things. Lakers think they don't need more talent and that they truly believe their core of Russell Ingram randle clarkson will develop. 2nd we are building our roster golden state style.

Deng is our iggy. Mozgov is our bogut
Our small ball death lineup

Russell
Clarkson
Ingram
Deng
Randle

Now we need to fill out bench. We need change of pace and energy like barbosa. I like Seth curry
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
Still wondering why not spend less on AlJeff... or see what Bismack is asking for.

Even check on Fezili or Mahini.... it's not like there was a huge demand for Timofey (although there was interest from other teams).

Bismack to Orlando 4/72
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 02, 2016, 01:56:07 PM
With these contracts... Mosgov is average pay. Lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2016, 02:04:04 PM
With these contracts... Mosgov is average pay. Lol

Potential price ticket increases?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2016, 02:06:43 PM
With these contracts... Mosgov is average pay. Lol

Ryan Anderson 4/80 to Houston

#shakinghead
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2016, 02:14:48 PM
Tim Brady will be at the Celtics and KD meeting. Lol
(Do what it takes?)

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/07/02/kevin-durant-celtics-tom-brady-hamptons/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 02, 2016, 02:39:00 PM
We couldve had biyombo for 4/72 instead of Mozgov
That one is tough  :'(
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 02, 2016, 03:06:20 PM
With these contracts... Mosgov is average pay. Lol

Potential price ticket increases?
rise in ticket prices to watch mozgov log in his 10 minutes. 
F that. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on July 02, 2016, 04:52:06 PM
the new TV contract is what is causing these new contracts to be higher. the teams are flush with cash. there is absolutely no need to raise prices, doesnt mean they wont, but they dont need to.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2016, 05:05:07 PM
Courtney Lee to Knicks 4/50

Knicks starting 5
Rose/Lee/Melo/Porzingis/Noah
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 02, 2016, 05:49:10 PM
Courtney Lee to Knicks 4/50

Knicks starting 5
Rose/Lee/Melo/Porzingis/Noah

Yawn
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2016, 05:54:39 PM
Courtney Lee to Knicks 4/50

Knicks starting 5
Rose/Lee/Melo/Porzingis/Noah

Yawn

Do you think they will go far in the east?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 02, 2016, 06:03:40 PM
Courtney Lee to Knicks 4/50

Knicks starting 5
Rose/Lee/Melo/Porzingis/Noah

Yawn

Do you think they will go far in the east?

You can go far being mediocre. I guess if rose stays healthy.

They'll all be stopped by Lebron unless KD heads East.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 02, 2016, 09:58:27 PM
So where's KD going?  Warriors?  Be Curry's #2?  Or Clips?  And get rid of the curse?  I'm thinking he wants to play for Pops.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 02, 2016, 10:03:47 PM
So where's KD going?  Warriors?  Be Curry's #2?  Or Clips?  And get rid of the curse?  I'm thinking he wants to play for Pops.

I don't think the clips. Because the Clips just signed Austin and Wesley.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2016, 09:08:04 AM
KD to the WARRIORS!!!!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 04, 2016, 09:44:43 AM
Blown away with clippers presentation...
Guess during the presentation he picked up a call from jerry west and it was pretty much over...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 04, 2016, 09:59:52 AM
"I am also at a point in my life where it is of equal importance to find an opportunity that encourages my evolution as a man: moving out of my comfort zone to a new city and community which offers the greatest potential for my contribution and personal growth," Durant wrote. "With this in mind, I have decided that I am going to join the Golden State Warriors."

In short, "I want a championship next year, if it doesn't work out with the splash brothers I can go elsewhere and sign for more money with the higher salary caps"
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 04, 2016, 11:33:15 AM
Do these guys want to try anymore?


Time for hard cap and take away max contracts.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 04, 2016, 01:53:57 PM
Pao to Spurs?
So LA, TD plus PG in the lineup, pops done it before with Robinson, Duncan and Bill Wennington before...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 04, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
So is KD a sellout?

Wouldn't LBJ be raked over the coals for this kind of move? (Oh wait... he was)

Are they burning his jersey in OKC?

#TheKDecision
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2016, 06:26:18 PM

Are they burning his jersey in OKC?


Actually the are.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 04, 2016, 06:47:44 PM
It's funny reading some fan (lakers) reactions, like how the nba allowed this but not Kobe, Dwight and CP3 to happen
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 04, 2016, 07:30:04 PM
It's funny reading some fan (lakers) reactions, like how the nba allowed this but not Kobe, Dwight and CP3 to happen

Cavs owner Dan Gilbert's letter to the NBA commissioner regarding the CP3 trade.

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/cavs-owner-dan-gilberts-letter-to-stop-chris-paul-trade-to-lakers

Critique of Dan's letter
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7336526/nba-critique-dan-gilbert-letter
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 04, 2016, 09:53:39 PM
lakers have to stand by the phone and hope for Okc to hit the panic button on westbrook

Westbrook already stated he's not signing an extension.  If they get any news that he plans on leaving, they have to trade him while he has high value.  Essentially you get a year rental of westbrook so okc loses a bit of leverage

I would do russell + filler right away for westbrook.  And i think westbrook would resign a long term contract since he likes the attention in LA
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 04, 2016, 10:28:17 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2650059-comedian-frank-caliendo-reads-kevin-durants-letter-in-morgan-freemans-voice

Everything sounds better when Morgan Freeman says it.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 05, 2016, 07:34:19 AM
So to counter KD, there are rumors that DWade might join LBJ in Cleveland.

Maybe they should trade for Westbrook instead.

Heh.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on July 05, 2016, 09:47:22 AM
So to counter KD, there are rumors that DWade might join LBJ in Cleveland.

Maybe they should trade for Westbrook instead.

Heh.

The Cavs already have sufficient scorers and ball handlers (although more can't hurt).  But I think the best add would be premium defenders, both on-ball and help defenders.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 05, 2016, 12:33:15 PM
Pao to Spurs?
So LA, TD plus PG in the lineup, pops done it before with Robinson, Duncan and Bill Wennington before...
I think Duncan might retire, hence the Pau signing.

Either way, it was surprising how the Spurs fizzled out in the post season and now OKC is no longer a contender.

Go Clippers!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 05, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
Fireworks explodes in Nick Young's hand according to the article. Click the link for video from TMZ.
#closeone
#gooutwithabang

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/07/05/nick-young-firework-explodes-in-hand-video/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 05, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
Yeah, just read that.  Too bad, would've given warriors a run for the money.

Guess people should start wearing g'state Warriors champs merchandise now even before the season started...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 05, 2016, 01:18:09 PM
if Wade joins Lebron in Cleveland, it will be the battle of MVPs. Regular season vs Final.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 05, 2016, 01:20:53 PM
the NBA should just run with 8 teams.  LOL

When is the next CBA up?  They have to eliminate these max contracts and do a hard cap. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 05, 2016, 07:07:42 PM
if Wade joins Lebron in Cleveland, it will be the battle of MVPs. Regular season vs Final.

Nuggets offers Wade 2/50

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2016, 06:17:05 PM
if Wade joins Lebron in Cleveland, it will be the battle of MVPs. Regular season vs Final.

Nuggets offers Wade 2/50

So it's between: bulls, nuggets, and heat for Wade?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2016, 06:29:47 PM
if Wade joins Lebron in Cleveland, it will be the battle of MVPs. Regular season vs Final.

Nuggets offers Wade 2/50

So it's between: bulls, nuggets, and heat for Wade?

Wade to the Bulls!!!!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2016, 06:41:39 PM
Bulls need to make moves to clear cap space for Wade.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2016, 07:07:25 PM
Ray Allen may come back?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 06, 2016, 07:10:08 PM
Wade to bulls
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2016, 07:25:28 PM
Wade to bulls

People are saying this is shocking as Durant leaving OKC.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 06, 2016, 07:27:29 PM
Wade to bulls

People are saying this is shocking as Durant leaving OKC.

People dissed Lakers for paying Kobe but you gotta take of your HoFs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2016, 07:37:36 PM
Bulls need to make moves to clear cap space for Wade.

Jose Calderon to the Lakers!!!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 06, 2016, 07:39:14 PM
Bulls need to make moves to clear cap space for Wade.

Jose Calderon to the Lakers!!!

Schedule a parade in Los Angeles
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2016, 07:40:43 PM
Bulls need to make moves to clear cap space for Wade.

Jose Calderon to the Lakers!!!

Schedule a parade in Los Angeles

Get the Weber Bbq ready. Time to party. Lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2016, 08:01:59 PM
Bulls need to make moves to clear cap space for Wade.

Jose Calderon to the Lakers!!!

Schedule a parade in Los Angeles

Rumor: Lakers will get two future 2 round picks due to the Calderon Trade. (Need to confirm)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 06, 2016, 08:05:11 PM
Bulls need to make moves to clear cap space for Wade.

Jose Calderon to the Lakers!!!

Schedule a parade in Los Angeles

Rumor: Lakers will get two future 2 round picks due to the Calderon Trade. (Need to confirm)

Good trade. How much longer are we on hook for Calderon.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 06, 2016, 08:08:08 PM
Bulls need to make moves to clear cap space for Wade.

Jose Calderon to the Lakers!!!

Schedule a parade in Los Angeles

Rumor: Lakers will get two future 2 round picks due to the Calderon Trade. (Need to confirm)

Good trade. How much longer are we on hook for Calderon.

1 year

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 07, 2016, 09:33:49 AM
Great trade mitch!
2 future 2nd's for a one year rental of calderon?  Perfect trade!

He's clearly shown his ability to get talent at the second round in Jordan Clarkson/Marc Gasol/ and hopefully the new kid Zubac

Man that Wade to Chicago move was ridiculous..I would've bet money he was going to stay a heat-lifer...Chicago will have its work cut out for them to make the playoffs with butler/wade/rondo

cavs
pacers
hawks
Celtics
heat
raptors

all firmly ahead... competing with hornets/knicks/bucks/wizards/pistons
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 07, 2016, 10:40:35 AM
Having seen Zubac's "highlights," I don't have great expectations for him. He is very tall and long, and that matters, but man, is he stiff.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 07, 2016, 10:50:58 AM
NBA salary cap for FY17-18 dips to 102 mil from the expected 107 mil
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 07, 2016, 11:16:02 AM
So is KD a sellout?

Wouldn't LBJ be raked over the coals for this kind of move? (Oh wait... he was)

Are they burning his jersey in OKC?

#TheKDecision
I guess it just took longer than LBJ's. Even his restaurant's Yelp reviews are not safe.

And the pros are piling on too. It's funny that Barkley is criticizing KD when he jumped teams for a better situation too.

And maybe Reggie Miller would have switched if his team wasn't always in the race.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 07, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
Almost guarantee with Durant leaving there's another lock out happening to prevent another Durant situation from happening

All the small market teams will be looking at okc..a team that drafted supremely well for 5 years..Durant/westbrook/jeff green/ibaka/harden  lose their best player in years in Durant for nothing

I think a hard cap is happening or a larger percentage of a "max" deal of a team's total cap
or maybe consolation from the team that signs that player (in the way of future picks) or even adding a franchise tag of sorts to a player

I wonder if viewership will decrease with pretty much 2 superteams and a bunch of mediocre ones, with the casual fan just tuning in for the finals
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 07, 2016, 11:27:21 AM
The small market argument is a hard measurement to apply considering San Antonio and Cleveland aren't really large market teams.

In the end, this is actually a fair way as it's up to the players to decide where they go. Despite not winning a championship, OKC has enjoyed quite a bit of success being able to get into the playoffs and were only 1 win away from getting into the Finals (and were in the Finals before). OKC owners decided to trade away Harden and Ibaka... and as unfortunate as it is to lose Durant, they should be lucky they had him considering there are not many transcendent players in the NBA.

I don't think it's much different this upcoming season than the past 40 years where the superteams were Lakers/Boston, Lakers/Detroit, Chicago, Lakers/Spurs and now Warriors/Cavs. In 3-5 years, that will change again (if the Lakers picks pan out, they may once again be in the mix). I think viewership will probably remain the same, with some people watching just to see how the new teams play with new players.

It's more of the same, just different uniforms, which to me makes it more interesting.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paperboyNC on July 07, 2016, 01:56:08 PM
Almost guarantee with Durant leaving there's another lock out happening to prevent another Durant situation from happening

All the small market teams will be looking at okc..a team that drafted supremely well for 5 years..Durant/westbrook/jeff green/ibaka/harden  lose their best player in years in Durant for nothing

I think a hard cap is happening or a larger percentage of a "max" deal of a team's total cap
or maybe consolation from the team that signs that player (in the way of future picks) or even adding a franchise tag of sorts to a player

I wonder if viewership will decrease with pretty much 2 superteams and a bunch of mediocre ones, with the casual fan just tuning in for the finals

IMO ratings goes way up with 2 superteams because everyone wants to see if the superteam will lose. What's bad for the NBA is that they have a max number of national TV games. Ratings would skyrocket if the Warriors had 100% of games on national TV.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 07, 2016, 02:34:28 PM
The small market argument is a hard measurement to apply considering San Antonio and Cleveland aren't really large market teams.

In the end, this is actually a fair way as it's up to the players to decide where they go. Despite not winning a championship, OKC has enjoyed quite a bit of success being able to get into the playoffs and were only 1 win away from getting into the Finals (and were in the Finals before). OKC owners decided to trade away Harden and Ibaka... and as unfortunate as it is to lose Durant, they should be lucky they had him considering there are not many transcendent players in the NBA.

I don't think it's much different this upcoming season than the past 40 years where the superteams were Lakers/Boston, Lakers/Detroit, Chicago, Lakers/Spurs and now Warriors/Cavs. In 3-5 years, that will change again (if the Lakers picks pan out, they may once again be in the mix). I think viewership will probably remain the same, with some people watching just to see how the new teams play with new players.

It's more of the same, just different uniforms, which to me makes it more interesting.

Harden wanted to leave
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 07, 2016, 04:32:45 PM
Bulls need to make moves to clear cap space for Wade.

Jose Calderon to the Lakers!!!

Schedule a parade in Los Angeles

#backcourtHeavy

Marcelo signed with the Lakers 2 year deal
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 07, 2016, 04:39:02 PM
Marcelo back? What an uninspiring move haha hope it's for the vet min
Yeah every game he'll dish out a highlight assist, but that was all he was good for

I'm still sad we didn't try harder for seth curry, since he signed only for 2/$6 million with mavs...or even Barbosa 2/$8 million as they both bring a dimension we don't have
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 07, 2016, 04:46:00 PM
that dude can barely play!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 07, 2016, 07:29:10 PM
Portland signs Ezeli 2 year $15 mil.

What a bargain/great deal!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on July 07, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
Great trade mitch!
2 future 2nd's for a one year rental of calderon?  Perfect trade!

He's clearly shown his ability to get talent at the second round in Jordan Clarkson/Marc Gasol/ and hopefully the new kid Zubac

Man that Wade to Chicago move was ridiculous..I would've bet money he was going to stay a heat-lifer...Chicago will have its work cut out for them to make the playoffs with butler/wade/rondo

cavs
pacers
hawks
Celtics
heat
raptors

all firmly ahead... competing with hornets/knicks/bucks/wizards/pistons

You think the Heat are firmly ahead of the Bulls?  I doubt that.  All they have is Whiteside and Dragic.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 07, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Portland signs Ezeli 2 year $15 mil.

What a bargain/great deal!

SMH lakers.... I'd rather have ezeli at 2 year $15 mil than mozgov at 4/$40...let alone 4/$64
Him and Mahinmi were my choices

Great trade mitch!
2 future 2nd's for a one year rental of calderon?  Perfect trade!

He's clearly shown his ability to get talent at the second round in Jordan Clarkson/Marc Gasol/ and hopefully the new kid Zubac

Man that Wade to Chicago move was ridiculous..I would've bet money he was going to stay a heat-lifer...Chicago will have its work cut out for them to make the playoffs with butler/wade/rondo

cavs
pacers
hawks
Celtics
heat
raptors

all firmly ahead... competing with hornets/knicks/bucks/wizards/pistons

You think the Heat are firmly ahead of the Bulls?  I doubt that.  All they have is Whiteside and Dragic.

It all depends on the health of bosh. but assuming bosh is healthy enough for 80% of games, I do think dragic/bosh/whiteside/rookies of winslow+ richardson is better than the bulls

It might be me, but I'm not a huge fan of backcourts that can't shoot
Rondo and wade might be the worst shooting pg/sg in the league...rondo can't even make free throws at a decent clip.  Butler is obviously the best player on both teams but I'm not sure how far he can carry them
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 08, 2016, 06:03:52 AM
Portland signs Ezeli 2 year $15 mil.

What a bargain/great deal!

Makes the horrific Mozgov contract a bit more so, and I didn't think that was possible.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 08, 2016, 06:32:09 AM
So Lakers strike out in previous years on free agents and want to make sure they get a center this year and overpay... boo.

At least they locked Clarkson down for cheap which sort of makes up for Mozgov.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: acpme on July 08, 2016, 06:54:38 AM
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Almost guarantee with Durant leaving there's another lock out happening to prevent another Durant situation from happening

All the small market teams will be looking at okc..a team that drafted supremely well for 5 years..Durant/westbrook/jeff green/ibaka/harden  lose their best player in years in Durant for nothing

OKC did it to themselves. The ownership left Seattle, one of the most dynamic and growth cities of the last decade, because they wanted taxpayers to fund a new or improved arena. They got it in OKC, where Bennett is from. The value of the franchise is worth 3-5X what is was a few years ago. The team resisted paying luxury tax and raked in big profits on revenue sharing.

Still,  Durant and Westbrook both signed long term deals... only to find Harden traded for almost nothing the next year.

Ownership can't blame anyone. They had all the resources they needed. City provided the arena, front office drafted well, players played out of their minds. Everyone did their part except the guys who sign the checks.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 08, 2016, 07:02:20 AM
Portland signs Ezeli 2 year $15 mil.

What a bargain/great deal!

SMH lakers.... I'd rather have ezeli at 2 year $15 mil than mozgov at 4/$40...let alone 4/$64
Him and Mahinmi were my choices

Great trade mitch!
2 future 2nd's for a one year rental of calderon?  Perfect trade!

He's clearly shown his ability to get talent at the second round in Jordan Clarkson/Marc Gasol/ and hopefully the new kid Zubac

Man that Wade to Chicago move was ridiculous..I would've bet money he was going to stay a heat-lifer...Chicago will have its work cut out for them to make the playoffs with butler/wade/rondo

cavs
pacers
hawks
Celtics
heat
raptors

all firmly ahead... competing with hornets/knicks/bucks/wizards/pistons

You think the Heat are firmly ahead of the Bulls?  I doubt that.  All they have is Whiteside and Dragic.

It all depends on the health of bosh. but assuming bosh is healthy enough for 80% of games, I do think dragic/bosh/whiteside/rookies of winslow+ richardson is better than the bulls

It might be me, but I'm not a huge fan of backcourts that can't shoot
Rondo and wade might be the worst shooting pg/sg in the league...rondo can't even make free throws at a decent clip.  Butler is obviously the best player on both teams but I'm not sure how far he can carry them

http://www.si.com/nba/chris-bosh-health-blood-clot-miami-heat-nba-playoffs
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 08, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
The curious thing about the whole Chris Bosh scenario I've heard is that if a player doesn't play for an entire calendar year, which would be next February, the team could in theory waive him and ask for medical exemption, which would remove bosh's contract from the team cap room and the salary would be 80% (or so) covered by insurance.  In this scenario, Bosh gets paid regardless, either by the team or insurance

From that article, it definitely seems bosh wants to come back.  But I could definitely see the Heat telling him it's not safe enough until that February date kicks in.   They would then have cap space for 2 max free agents this coming summer (westbrook) since Wade is back.  I have this one weird theory that Pat Riley really didn't want Wade back.  If he gave him that 2 year/$50 million deal, they would've not been free agent players, so he kept strong at the 2 year/$40 million deal (allow them to add 1 max free agent assuming the above scenario holds true with Bosh) but kind of wished wade would balk and walk, which he did.  Will be interesting to see if Bosh plays or not, but I do hope he doesn't end his career like this. 

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 08, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
All this ESPN 710 talk about trading D'Angelo and Randle for Westbrook... bah... I don't even think Westbrook would be good for the Lakers.

Just wait it out, if Westbrook wants to come to LA, he'll sign as a free agent next July, no need to give up any potential stars for him and if the kids don't pan out, that means they might get a lottery pick.

If Westbrook doesn't sign, whatever... I don't think he is good enough to bring the Lakers back to glory.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 08, 2016, 10:35:50 AM
All this ESPN 710 talk about trading D'Angelo and Randle for Westbrook... bah... I don't even think Westbrook would be good for the Lakers.

Just wait it out, if Westbrook wants to come to LA, he'll sign as a free agent next July, no need to give up any potential stars for him and if the kids don't pan out, that means they might get a lottery pick.

If Westbrook doesn't sign, whatever... I don't think he is good enough to bring the Lakers back to glory.

They cannot trade for Westbrook. It would be insane to give-up anything of much value to rent him for a year with no assurance beyond that.

Best case scenario - The Celtics trade Jaylen plus other assets for Westbrook and he signs with the Lakers next July.  :D
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 08, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
All this ESPN 710 talk about trading D'Angelo and Randle for Westbrook... bah... I don't even think Westbrook would be good for the Lakers.

Just wait it out, if Westbrook wants to come to LA, he'll sign as a free agent next July, no need to give up any potential stars for him and if the kids don't pan out, that means they might get a lottery pick.

If Westbrook doesn't sign, whatever... I don't think he is good enough to bring the Lakers back to glory.

They cannot trade for Westbrook. It would be insane to give-up anything of much value to rent him for a year with no assurance beyond that.

Best case scenario - The Celtics trade Jaylen plus other assets for Westbrook and he signs with the Lakers next July.  :D

They shouldn't. But it won't suprise me if they did.
If they do trade, it should be sign long term contract and trade. Don't do it like when the Lakers traded for Howard.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 08, 2016, 12:06:06 PM
Why isn't Julius Randle playing with the Lakers summer league this year?

Shouldn't he?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 08, 2016, 12:16:11 PM
Why isn't Julius Randle playing with the Lakers summer league this year?

Shouldn't he?

He should be. The argument is, you typically play only two summer leagues, and he has. So long as he's working on his game this summer, I guess it's fine. Let DLo and Ingram shine.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 08, 2016, 12:26:23 PM
Why isn't Julius Randle playing with the Lakers summer league this year?

Shouldn't he?

He should be. The argument is, you typically play only two summer leagues, and he has. So long as he's working on his game this summer, I guess it's fine. Let DLo and Ingram shine.

He only played one full season.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 08, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
Why isn't Julius Randle playing with the Lakers summer league this year?

Shouldn't he?

He should be. The argument is, you typically play only two summer leagues, and he has. So long as he's working on his game this summer, I guess it's fine. Let DLo and Ingram shine.

He only played one full season.

He played the full summer league his first season - injured in first regular season game. Then played summer league again in his second season.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 08, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
Jordan Clarkson already played 2 Summer Leagues, but there were rumors he would play this summer too.

I don't think there is an official limit, but maybe they are trying to limit Randle's court time as he has an injury plagued history.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 08, 2016, 12:48:23 PM
Why isn't Julius Randle playing with the Lakers summer league this year?

Shouldn't he?

He should be. The argument is, you typically play only two summer leagues, and he has. So long as he's working on his game this summer, I guess it's fine. Let DLo and Ingram shine.

He only played one full season.

He played the full summer league his first season - injured in first regular season game. Then played summer league again in his second season.

1 full season and 1 game in the previous season.
I feel that he should work on his jumper and play against competition during the summer.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 08, 2016, 12:56:08 PM
Didn't he play summer league his rookie year.. got hurt first game.  Then played last year?  or did he still have to get over the injury.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 08, 2016, 01:02:37 PM
Randle has played in 2 Summer Leagues (the one before he got injured in the first game of the regular season and the one after that).

That's what Perspective is referring to where the unofficial limit is to play in only 2 Summer Leagues.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on July 08, 2016, 10:23:52 PM
Just saw highlights of today's Lakers Summer League game.  Yeah I know it's meaningless, but both Russell and Ingram looked good.  I have high hopes for both of them. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 08, 2016, 11:38:28 PM
Zubac looked great too! mitch with the steal again
Ingram reminds me so much of KD.  His defense is further along than kd was at the same age
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 09, 2016, 06:52:06 AM
DLo wasn't hanging-out on the perimeter jackin' 3s, like last season. His usage rate will increase dramatically without Old Kobe on the floor dominating the ball. If last night's game is any indication, DLo will be filling the stat sheet.

That alone is great news, but Ingram's debut couldn't have been better. He didn't force anything. His handles at his height are rare. His effort on D was great. I couldn't have been more impressed, but I am a Laker homer. Ingram has multiple All Star appearances in his future. He's a Laker, so like Kobe in just his second year and not even starting, Ingram could get voted into the All Star Game by fans soon.

Nance looked awesome too. He keeps reminding me more and more of a young Amare Stoudamire - big who leaps 40"+ making monstrous dunks and blocks.

Zubac's activity was promising too. He might actually play a bit this year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 09, 2016, 07:38:11 AM
DLo wasn't hanging-out on the perimeter jackin' 3s, like last season. His usage rate will increase dramatically without Old Kobe on the floor dominating the ball. If last night's game is any indication, DLo will be filling the stat sheet.

That alone is great news, but Ingram's debut couldn't have been better. He didn't force anything. His handles at his height are rare. His effort on D was great. I couldn't have been more impressed, but I am a Laker homer. Ingram has multiple All Star appearances in his future. He's a Laker, so like Kobe in just his second year and not even starting, Ingram could get voted into the All Star Game by fans soon.

Nance looked awesome too. He keeps reminding me more and more of a young Amare Stoudamire - big who leaps 40"+ making monstrous dunks and blocks.

Zubac's activity was promising too. He might actually play a bit this year.

This may sound funny. But I think Nance has more upside than Randle.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on July 09, 2016, 09:58:47 AM
DLo wasn't hanging-out on the perimeter jackin' 3s, like last season. His usage rate will increase dramatically without Old Kobe on the floor dominating the ball. If last night's game is any indication, DLo will be filling the stat sheet.

That alone is great news, but Ingram's debut couldn't have been better. He didn't force anything. His handles at his height are rare. His effort on D was great. I couldn't have been more impressed, but I am a Laker homer. Ingram has multiple All Star appearances in his future. He's a Laker, so like Kobe in just his second year and not even starting, Ingram could get voted into the All Star Game by fans soon.

Nance looked awesome too. He keeps reminding me more and more of a young Amare Stoudamire - big who leaps 40"+ making monstrous dunks and blocks.

Zubac's activity was promising too. He might actually play a bit this year.

This may sound funny. But I think Nance has more upside than Randle.

Doesn't sound funny at all.  He might already be better.  He as that 'it' quality.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 09, 2016, 10:00:55 AM
Two debuts.. both Ingram and Simmons look terrific.  I think they are both as advertised. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on July 09, 2016, 11:46:56 AM
DLo wasn't hanging-out on the perimeter jackin' 3s, like last season. His usage rate will increase dramatically without Old Kobe on the floor dominating the ball. If last night's game is any indication, DLo will be filling the stat sheet.

That alone is great news, but Ingram's debut couldn't have been better. He didn't force anything. His handles at his height are rare. His effort on D was great. I couldn't have been more impressed, but I am a Laker homer. Ingram has multiple All Star appearances in his future. He's a Laker, so like Kobe in just his second year and not even starting, Ingram could get voted into the All Star Game by fans soon.

Nance looked awesome too. He keeps reminding me more and more of a young Amare Stoudamire - big who leaps 40"+ making monstrous dunks and blocks.

Zubac's activity was promising too. He might actually play a bit this year.

This may sound funny. But I think Nance has more upside than Randle.

Doesn't sound funny at all.  He might already be better.  He as that 'it' quality.

Agreed as well. He reminds me alot of Draymond Green
He's developing his outside shot, but the hustle/energy/motor/passing are all there
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 09, 2016, 02:00:52 PM
ZuBlocka!  He looks pretty good too.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 09, 2016, 08:24:37 PM
DLo wasn't hanging-out on the perimeter jackin' 3s, like last season. His usage rate will increase dramatically without Old Kobe on the floor dominating the ball. If last night's game is any indication, DLo will be filling the stat sheet.

That alone is great news, but Ingram's debut couldn't have been better. He didn't force anything. His handles at his height are rare. His effort on D was great. I couldn't have been more impressed, but I am a Laker homer. Ingram has multiple All Star appearances in his future. He's a Laker, so like Kobe in just his second year and not even starting, Ingram could get voted into the All Star Game by fans soon.

Nance looked awesome too. He keeps reminding me more and more of a young Amare Stoudamire - big who leaps 40"+ making monstrous dunks and blocks.

Zubac's activity was promising too. He might actually play a bit this year.

This may sound funny. But I think Nance has more upside than Randle.

Timely opinion. Larry Nance' line tonight:

13 pts
8 rebs
7 stls
4 blks

Two monster dunks and made 1 of his 2 threes. Goodness gracious. He may be our starting 4.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 10, 2016, 12:14:06 AM
That was the best summer league game ever, this season should be fun to watch.  Lil Kobe :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 10, 2016, 12:31:15 AM
More like Socal Curry.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 11, 2016, 01:42:39 PM
Lakers Podcast: Is Larry Nance, Jr. or Julius Randle the better prospect going forward?

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/7/11/12150630/la-lakers-podcast-larry-nance-jr-julius-randle-debate
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 11, 2016, 01:45:24 PM
With ball dominant players like DLo, Clarkson, and Ingram, Nance is clearly a better fit for this core. Randle works well using his handle to take bigs to the rack, whereas Nance works without the ball crashing the boards and slashing to the basket without the ball.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 13, 2016, 06:44:41 AM
Kobe and wife are expecting another girl.

http://abc7.com/sports/kobe-bryant-and-wife-expecting-third-baby-girl-lakers-legend-announces/1424730/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on July 14, 2016, 02:46:41 PM
Insane numbers indeed.
#Wageinequality.

I'm waiting to hear any contract deal for Anthony Bennett aka #number1bustofalltime.

NBA just went down a notch for me...

http://nypost.com/2016/07/14/nets-add-savvy-veteran-and-all-time-draft-disaster/ (http://nypost.com/2016/07/14/nets-add-savvy-veteran-and-all-time-draft-disaster/)

can't wait for football to start
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 14, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
Insane numbers indeed.
#Wageinequality.

I'm waiting to hear any contract deal for Anthony Bennett aka #number1bustofalltime.

NBA just went down a notch for me...

http://nypost.com/2016/07/14/nets-add-savvy-veteran-and-all-time-draft-disaster/ (http://nypost.com/2016/07/14/nets-add-savvy-veteran-and-all-time-draft-disaster/)

can't wait for football to start

Is Tom Brady going to take the case to the Supreme Court? If so, do you think the Supreme Court will take the case?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on July 14, 2016, 03:51:40 PM
Insane numbers indeed.
#Wageinequality.

I'm waiting to hear any contract deal for Anthony Bennett aka #number1bustofalltime.

NBA just went down a notch for me...

http://nypost.com/2016/07/14/nets-add-savvy-veteran-and-all-time-draft-disaster/ (http://nypost.com/2016/07/14/nets-add-savvy-veteran-and-all-time-draft-disaster/)

can't wait for football to start

Is Tom Brady going to take the case to the Supreme Court? If so, do you think the Supreme Court will take the case?

Would think the supreme Court has better things to rule on.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on July 14, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
Nance Jr went down hard with possible broken hand on dunk attempt over Cavs d-leaguer Liggins flop (look at the replay). Pissed, totally avoidable play if the defensive player didn't flop and make Nance lose balance, and really dangerous as well.  Arghhhhh
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2016, 10:48:42 AM
Insane numbers indeed.
#Wageinequality.

I'm waiting to hear any contract deal for Anthony Bennett aka #number1bustofalltime.

NBA just went down a notch for me...

http://nypost.com/2016/07/14/nets-add-savvy-veteran-and-all-time-draft-disaster/ (http://nypost.com/2016/07/14/nets-add-savvy-veteran-and-all-time-draft-disaster/)

can't wait for football to start

Is Tom Brady going to take the case to the Supreme Court? If so, do you think the Supreme Court will take the case?

Would think the supreme Court has better things to rule on.

I guess Tom Brady will serve the four game suspension.
#deflategateover
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on July 15, 2016, 11:08:06 AM
Nance Jr went down hard with possible broken hand on dunk attempt over Cavs d-leaguer Liggins flop (look at the replay). Pissed, totally avoidable play if the defensive player didn't flop and make Nance lose balance, and really dangerous as well.  Arghhhhh

He should be ready by the regular season...so it's probably not as bad as it sounds. 

Is it true that the Lakers can still retain their 2017 first round pick if it's in the top 3?  I really want them to stop tanking now that Kobe is gone.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: The California Court Company on July 15, 2016, 02:53:05 PM
if lakers 2017 pick is in top 3, they will keep 2017 and 2019 and lose 2018. Otherwise they will lose 2017 and 2019 and keep 2018.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on July 15, 2016, 03:18:13 PM
if lakers 2017 pick is in top 3, they will keep 2017 and 2019 and lose 2018. Otherwise they will lose 2017 and 2019 and keep 2018.

remind me again....this is all for the Bynum/Dwight trade?  man...talking about mortgaging your future.  That trade was a bonafide flop.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 15, 2016, 03:21:09 PM
if lakers 2017 pick is in top 3, they will keep 2017 and 2019 and lose 2018. Otherwise they will lose 2017 and 2019 and keep 2018.

remind me again....this is all for the Bynum/Dwight trade?  man...talking about mortgaging your future.  That trade was a bonafide flop.

Nope. The 2017 pick is due to that brilliant trade for a 40 year old point guard who was nonathletic at 20 years old and never played D in his career, Nash. BRILLIANT!

The latter is due to the Dwight trade. They keep bouncing around because they're protected, and the NBA doesn't allow you to trade successive years' picks. They want to protect you from yourself, so that you can't trade the next three years' picks for Westbrook, as an example.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2016, 04:30:55 PM
Nance Jr went down hard with possible broken hand on dunk attempt over Cavs d-leaguer Liggins flop (look at the replay). Pissed, totally avoidable play if the defensive player didn't flop and make Nance lose balance, and really dangerous as well.  Arghhhhh

Larry Nace diagnosed with a sprained wrist.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on July 15, 2016, 08:08:03 PM
Nance Jr went down hard with possible broken hand on dunk attempt over Cavs d-leaguer Liggins flop (look at the replay). Pissed, totally avoidable play if the defensive player didn't flop and make Nance lose balance, and really dangerous as well.  Arghhhhh

Larry Nace diagnosed with a sprained wrist.

Early luck. He's been the Lakers best all-around player in Summer League.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2016, 05:54:11 PM
Ingram lights it up and drops 22 points
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on August 03, 2016, 08:03:23 PM
Lakers Fans: the Westbrook window has passed. Close to a 3yr/85 ext with OKC
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 04, 2016, 06:47:28 AM
Lakers Fans: the Westbrook window has passed. Close to a 3yr/85 ext with OKC

I think he wants revenge against KD... if you play fantasy bball, draft Westbrook, his stats are going to be bonkers this season.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on August 04, 2016, 08:20:08 AM
He seems a little more old school.  Definitely wants to make his mark with the team he started withth.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on August 04, 2016, 09:09:26 AM
Lakers Fans: the Westbrook window has passed. Close to a 3yr/85 ext with OKC

This is a good thing. Removes hope and speculation, but more importantly, we don't want nor need Westbrook. The Lakers aren't competing for a championship within the next two years. They don't need a top~5 player. He'd only take the ball out of the young guns' hands stunting their development. Advanced metrics also suggest Westbrook is a highly inefficient player. He just does so much so well, that he overcomes his inefficient play (poor shot selection multiplied by poor jump shooting).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on August 04, 2016, 09:17:37 AM
Lakers Fans: the Westbrook window has passed. Close to a 3yr/85 ext with OKC

This is a good thing. Removes hope and speculation, but more importantly, we don't want nor need Westbrook. The Lakers aren't competing for a championship within the next two years. They don't need a top~5 player. He'd only take the ball out of the young guns' hands stunting their development. Advanced metrics also suggest Westbrook is a highly inefficient player. He just does so much so well, that he overcomes his inefficient play (poor shot selection multiplied by poor jump shooting).

I would take Westbrook over any player on the current Lakers roster. (assuming no injuries)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 04, 2016, 09:37:39 AM
I'm with Perspective... don't want Westbrook on the Lakers... he's like Kobe 2.0.

Not worried about DRuss, I just hope Ingram bulks up... I think he's skinnier than when KD was a rook.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on August 04, 2016, 09:47:21 AM
I'm with Perspective... don't want Westbrook on the Lakers... he's like Kobe 2.0.

Not worried about DRuss, I just hope Ingram bulks up... I think he's skinnier than when KD was a rook.

I want to win, I'm sick of tanking. (Your a clip fan)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on August 04, 2016, 09:48:58 AM
Lakers Fans: the Westbrook window has passed. Close to a 3yr/85 ext with OKC

This is a good thing. Removes hope and speculation, but more importantly, we don't want nor need Westbrook. The Lakers aren't competing for a championship within the next two years. They don't need a top~5 player. He'd only take the ball out of the young guns' hands stunting their development. Advanced metrics also suggest Westbrook is a highly inefficient player. He just does so much so well, that he overcomes his inefficient play (poor shot selection multiplied by poor jump shooting).

I would take Westbrook over any player on the current Lakers roster. (assuming no injuries)

I agree. My end goal though, is to have a ton of talent developing and really competing in 2-3 years, not a eighth seed first round, maybe second round, playoff appearance for the next three years.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 04, 2016, 10:40:34 AM
I'm with Perspective... don't want Westbrook on the Lakers... he's like Kobe 2.0.

Not worried about DRuss, I just hope Ingram bulks up... I think he's skinnier than when KD was a rook.

I want to win, I'm sick of tanking. (Your a clip fan)
One Westbrook won't make the Lakers win.

They couldn't do it with just one Kobe the last few seasons.

OKC couldn't win and with Westbrook and KD (although they should have) so how can Westbrook do any better with the Lakers?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on August 04, 2016, 10:45:23 AM
Very true. 
He won't be in a super team like the Warriors or the Knicks (per D Rose), hahaha

His contract makes more sense than mozgov, still not over it...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on August 04, 2016, 11:18:11 AM
Very true. 
He won't be in a super team like the Warriors or the Knicks (per D Rose), hahaha

His contract makes more sense than mozgov, still not over it...

Don't ever get over it. That contract was terrible on Day 1, and will only prove worse.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: gaogi on August 09, 2016, 11:40:45 AM
Very true. 
He won't be in a super team like the Warriors or the Knicks (per D Rose), hahaha

His contract makes more sense than mozgov, still not over it...

Don't ever get over it. That contract was terrible on Day 1, and will only prove worse.

It's the devil's work!

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/7/19/12232656/timofey-mozgov-sign-protest-conan-obrien-republican-nationa-convention
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on August 17, 2016, 02:19:24 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17324680/lakers-advanced-discussion-chinese-star-yi-jianlian
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on August 17, 2016, 07:13:13 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17324680/lakers-advanced-discussion-chinese-star-yi-jianlian

Like Kyle Korver, he'll need to shoot close to 50% from three to offset his defensive liabilities, if he's to add any value.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: ps9 on August 22, 2016, 06:43:02 AM
Kobe on CNBC?  Interesting, he carried himself well, especially for an athlete.  Still working.....
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on August 22, 2016, 06:53:07 AM
Kobe on CNBC?  Interesting, he carried himself well, especially for an athlete.  Still working.....

He is part of a $100 mil venture capital fund
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on September 01, 2016, 01:17:11 PM
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sports/Lakers-Julius-Randle-gets-7-stitches-391782741.html
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on September 21, 2016, 11:33:43 AM
The report is that the Lakers signed MWP.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on October 04, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
The preseason game against the Kings looks empty at the Honda Center.

No Kobe... or LA residents are afraid to go to the OC?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 04, 2016, 08:55:06 PM
Dude. I wanted to go, but I'm still at work.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on October 04, 2016, 09:58:13 PM
Laker fans from LA are not making the trek to OC for a preseason game
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on October 05, 2016, 07:19:41 AM
Laker fans from LA are not making the trek to OC for a preseason game
They did during the non-tanking years. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on October 17, 2016, 04:16:02 PM
Figured I would bump this thread up...Any lakers fans here or were of you more Kobe fans?

Thoughts on the new pick Ingram? Seems to be 2-3 years away from contributing...a bit disappointment since he was getting Durant comparisons.  But defensively he's a beast already.  I think he has tayshaun prince potential on that end

Nick young?  The renaissance? Been playing his game catch n shoot, best I've seen him in a lakers uniform

D'Angelo Russell seems ready for a breakout year.  I see him averaging 20 pts maybe 5 assists

Randle seems like a lost cause...his basketball iq is really low, but he's special in pushing the ball up for his size, but he needs to get smarter (hope luke will turn him into a draymond 2.0)

my favorite player is larry nance jr, he does a bit of everything well  8)  and I'm always waiting for a highlight dunk to happen
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 17, 2016, 04:24:55 PM
Figured I would bump this thread up...Any lakers fans here or were of you more Kobe fans?

Thoughts on the new pick Ingram? Seems to be 2-3 years away from contributing...a bit disappointment since he was getting Durant comparisons.  But defensively he's a beast already.  I think he has tayshaun prince potential on that end

Nick young?  The renaissance? Been playing his game catch n shoot, best I've seen him in a lakers uniform

D'Angelo Russell seems ready for a breakout year.  I see him averaging 20 pts maybe 5 assists

Randle seems like a lost cause...his basketball iq is really low, but he's special in pushing the ball up for his size, but he needs to get smarter (hope luke will turn him into a draymond 2.0)

my favorite player is larry nance jr, he does a bit of everything well  8)  and I'm always waiting for a highlight dunk to happen

I wonder who the Lakers will cut for the final roster.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on October 17, 2016, 04:30:34 PM
Figured I would bump this thread up...Any lakers fans here or were of you more Kobe fans?

Thoughts on the new pick Ingram? Seems to be 2-3 years away from contributing...a bit disappointment since he was getting Durant comparisons.  But defensively he's a beast already.  I think he has tayshaun prince potential on that end

Nick young?  The renaissance? Been playing his game catch n shoot, best I've seen him in a lakers uniform

D'Angelo Russell seems ready for a breakout year.  I see him averaging 20 pts maybe 5 assists

Randle seems like a lost cause...his basketball iq is really low, but he's special in pushing the ball up for his size, but he needs to get smarter (hope luke will turn him into a draymond 2.0)

my favorite player is larry nance jr, he does a bit of everything well  8)  and I'm always waiting for a highlight dunk to happen

I wonder who the Lakers will cut for the final roster.

As an Asian, I hope Yi makes the cut.  He's been their best player in China for years and had a good Olympics showing, but man, he's been pretty bad in preseason.  Out of a few jumpshots, I'm surprised his game hasn't evolved in his time away from NBA

It'll probably be T Rob and MWP making it...though MWP isn't a player, he should be an assistant coach at this point
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on October 24, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Yi was appropriately cut ("No D Yi"?). I wanted to keep Robinson, and the Lakers did, but MWP made the cut! They let Anthony Brown go.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 24, 2016, 11:25:00 AM
Yi was appropriately cut ("No D Yi"?). I wanted to keep Robinson, and the Lakers did, but MWP made the cut! They let Anthony Brown go.

I thought the Lakers wanted MWP to be assistant coach.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on October 24, 2016, 11:33:12 AM
Yi was appropriately cut ("No D Yi"?). I wanted to keep Robinson, and the Lakers did, but MWP made the cut! They let Anthony Brown go.

I thought the Lakers wanted MWP to be assistant coach.
Dual role perhaps?
Tree Rollins did it a while back

http://www.nba.com/coachfile/tree_rollins/?nav=page
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 27, 2016, 01:53:09 PM
It's funny to me. Lakers win the first game and people on TI are acting like they are going deep in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on October 27, 2016, 05:58:23 PM
It's funny to me. Lakers win the first game and people on TI are acting like they are going deep in the playoffs.

who's acting like that? 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 29, 2016, 01:03:05 PM
Lakers lost to the Jazz last night. Also, Gordon Hayward from the Jazz did not play.

If the Lakers want to go somewhere, they should consider making a trade.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on October 29, 2016, 01:35:02 PM
Lakers lost to the Jazz last night. Also, Gordon Hayward from the Jazz did not play.

If the Lakers want to go somewhere, they should consider making a trade.

Disagree.  We need to patient and let the young talent develop.
Luke already said this season is about the progress of the core, not wins.  Let's not rush to gut a team for a star

Say a Anthony Davis or Cousins/Paul George come available, every talk from other team will start with Russell/Ingram and probably their choice of 1 between randle/clarkson/nance/zubac
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 29, 2016, 02:28:29 PM
Lakers lost to the Jazz last night. Also, Gordon Hayward from the Jazz did not play.

If the Lakers want to go somewhere, they should consider making a trade.

Disagree.  We need to patient and let the young talent develop.
Luke already said this season is about the progress of the core, not wins.  Let's not rush to gut a team for a star

Say a Anthony Davis or Cousins/Paul George come available, every talk from other team will start with Russell/Ingram and probably their choice of 1 between randle/clarkson/nance/zubac

We don't have time to be patience. Fans are leaving and sick of the team's performance. First it was Dantoni's, then Dwight Howard's, then it was Byron Scott's. (throw in Nash and Kobe) I think a lot of people are kind of tired of excuses.

I hate to say it: Let's make the Lakers great Again

Jeannie B. gave a timeline for expectation of the  Lakers, which is make it to the western conference finals?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-lakers-jeanie-buss-hold-jim-buss-timeline-20150106-story.html

Do you think the Lakers will make it to the western conference finals with the current team?

There is a possibility if, the Lakers make a trade.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on October 29, 2016, 02:45:30 PM
Patience! Develop the kids & explore possible trades, but don't force anything. Keep competing & losing, & maybe get another top 3 pick.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on October 30, 2016, 09:12:52 PM
Another Lakers loss.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on October 31, 2016, 06:56:25 AM
Another Lakers loss.
That's okay, they will go 80-2!!!

I think most of the radio hosts are predicting Lakers will get 17-20 wins this season but I actually think they could win more than that.

Will they get to the playoffs? Not this year... at least not in the West.

What I don't like is how the young guns celebrate, flex and look so cocky whenever they make a point (anyone see D'Angelo saying "My house!"?)... calm down... none of you are superstars or even all-stars yet.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 09, 2017, 09:58:35 AM
Julius Randle is turning out pretty good.

I like the point-forward development of Brandon Ingram.

Don't think the Lakers will get a pick this year... there's talk they should tank but are there any good top-3 draft prospects?

Still think Mozgov and Deng were too expensive.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on January 09, 2017, 03:30:08 PM
Julius Randle is turning out pretty good.

I like the point-forward development of Brandon Ingram.

Don't think the Lakers will get a pick this year... there's talk they should tank but are there any good top-3 draft prospects?

Still think Mozgov and Deng were too expensive.

Agreed, Randle is looking the most promising out of the young core
He needs to build his off hand, he's just so strong he just bullies his way in.  If he had a nice eurostep/floater/off hand, he could realistically average 22-23 a game

Ingram has looked better offensively, slowly building back to the nba speed

Mozgov has been decent but I think they already regret Deng.  While he's playing okay, they really strapped themselves long term to those 2 contracts that it'll be a long time until we have max space again. 

They probably are going to lose their pick but I think if we're able to keep it, Fultz looks really good.  Or Lonzo Ball if they feel D'angelo is more of a 2.  D angelo has suck an advanced post game that I was screaming at the tv at the end of that Portland game when we kept jacking up quick 3's instead of putting Russell on the block. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on January 10, 2017, 07:11:51 PM
Randle is NOT impressive in my opinion.  His hands seem too small to be a consistent Point Forward.  Actually, his overall game lacks consistency....some games he looks amazing, but others he looks subpar.  His FG% needs to be way above 50% to be an efficient PF. 

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 10, 2017, 07:32:40 PM
Randle is NOT impressive in my opinion.  His hands seem too small to be a consistent Point Forward.  Actually, his overall game lacks consistency....some games he looks amazing, but others he looks subpar.  His FG% needs to be way above 50% to be an efficient PF.

I have the same thoughts regarding Randle.

What do you think about trading for Butler or another superstar?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on January 10, 2017, 09:19:41 PM
Randle is NOT impressive in my opinion.  His hands seem too small to be a consistent Point Forward.  Actually, his overall game lacks consistency....some games he looks amazing, but others he looks subpar.  His FG% needs to be way above 50% to be an efficient PF.

I have the same thoughts regarding Randle.

What do you think about trading for Butler or another superstar?

I'm all in for trading for a superstar.  I'd like to see Cousins on this team.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 10, 2017, 10:05:35 PM
Randle is NOT impressive in my opinion.  His hands seem too small to be a consistent Point Forward.  Actually, his overall game lacks consistency....some games he looks amazing, but others he looks subpar.  His FG% needs to be way above 50% to be an efficient PF.

I have the same thoughts regarding Randle.

What do you think about trading for Butler or another superstar?

I'm all in for trading for a superstar.  I'd like to see Cousins on this team.

Then what do we do with Mozgov?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 11, 2017, 07:04:57 AM
While people might enjoy the fire, I don't like the way D'Angelo was jawing at Lillard last night. He's only 20 years old, has only played one year and he's talking trash to a proven point guard? It shows his immaturity (which jives with the Nick Young incident). I posted this before but these guys can't be so big-headed... maybe they got that from playing with Kobe. The other thing is all that did was get Lillard mad and Russell couldn't respond... and the Lakers lost.

I used to not like Randle that much but considering he was drafted 7th and playing better than top 5 picks around the league, he's good value.

Cousins is talented, but his attitude and most likely high money contract will be hard to deal with. Lakers put too much money in Moz and Deng, so it would have to be some type of trade involving one of those guys which no other team would take (because they're smart unlike the Lakers).

Watching Moz play, I actually am okay with him at the price because all the other bigs I was talking about before aren't really doing much either... but Deng, while a good veteran, is just way too high.

It's funny because the Lakers are only about 3 games out of 8th behind Portland... but after last night's game against them, going to be hard to see them get in there although the Kings, Pelicans and Nuggets don't seem like they would be too hard to have a better season than.

One ESPN radio host said it might be better for them to get into the postseason even if they lose the 1st round just to get some experience and a winning mindset to prepare them for the next few years. They got lucky the last 2 drafts keeping their picks (and getting #2 twice) but I doubt they'll get top 3 this year so they might as well go for it.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Bullsback on January 11, 2017, 08:42:45 AM
Randle is NOT impressive in my opinion.  His hands seem too small to be a consistent Point Forward.  Actually, his overall game lacks consistency....some games he looks amazing, but others he looks subpar.  His FG% needs to be way above 50% to be an efficient PF.

I have the same thoughts regarding Randle.

What do you think about trading for Butler or another superstar?
Are you prepared to trade Ingram, Russell and Randle for Butler...cause that would probably be what the Bulls would want.  I don't know if either team makes that deal, to be frank. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Bullsback on January 11, 2017, 08:43:16 AM
Randle is NOT impressive in my opinion.  His hands seem too small to be a consistent Point Forward.  Actually, his overall game lacks consistency....some games he looks amazing, but others he looks subpar.  His FG% needs to be way above 50% to be an efficient PF.

I have the same thoughts regarding Randle.

What do you think about trading for Butler or another superstar?

I'm all in for trading for a superstar.  I'd like to see Cousins on this team.
Cousins and the Kings have reportedly agreed to a 5 year extension (albiet, a lot can change between now and this off-season when he can sign it).  Deal is supposedly 5yrs 207M.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on January 11, 2017, 09:16:22 AM
While people might enjoy the fire, I don't like the way D'Angelo was jawing at Lillard last night. He's only 20 years old, has only played one year and he's talking trash to a proven point guard? It shows his immaturity (which jives with the Nick Young incident). I posted this before but these guys can't be so big-headed... maybe they got that from playing with Kobe. The other thing is all that did was get Lillard mad and Russell couldn't respond... and the Lakers lost.
...

Hmm, context matters. Whether or not DLo's trash talk was appropriate depends wholly on what Lillard was doing and saying. If an All Star like Lillard is setting screens with his elbows flared, excessively pushing off, or talking non-stop nonsense, then you tell him to "Cut that $#%^ out." And it always escalates when you tell someone to cut the BS.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on January 11, 2017, 09:53:27 AM
While people might enjoy the fire, I don't like the way D'Angelo was jawing at Lillard last night. He's only 20 years old, has only played one year and he's talking trash to a proven point guard? It shows his immaturity (which jives with the Nick Young incident). I posted this before but these guys can't be so big-headed... maybe they got that from playing with Kobe. The other thing is all that did was get Lillard mad and Russell couldn't respond... and the Lakers lost.
...

Hmm, context matters. Whether or not DLo's trash talk was appropriate depends wholly on what Lillard was doing and saying. If an All Star like Lillard is setting screens with his elbows flared, excessively pushing off, or talking non-stop nonsense, then you tell him to "Cut that $#%^ out." And it always escalates when you tell someone to cut the BS.

Agreed context matters.  Can't back down depending on circumstance
I was more upset at Clarkson's shuffle with Dragic.  That was unnecessary I think.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 11, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
While people might enjoy the fire, I don't like the way D'Angelo was jawing at Lillard last night. He's only 20 years old, has only played one year and he's talking trash to a proven point guard? It shows his immaturity (which jives with the Nick Young incident). I posted this before but these guys can't be so big-headed... maybe they got that from playing with Kobe. The other thing is all that did was get Lillard mad and Russell couldn't respond... and the Lakers lost.
...

Hmm, context matters. Whether or not DLo's trash talk was appropriate depends wholly on what Lillard was doing and saying. If an All Star like Lillard is setting screens with his elbows flared, excessively pushing off, or talking non-stop nonsense, then you tell him to "Cut that $#%^ out." And it always escalates when you tell someone to cut the BS.

Agreed context matters.  Can't back down depending on circumstance
I was more upset at Clarkson's shuffle with Dragic.  That was unnecessary I think.

Frustration?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 11, 2017, 05:45:57 PM
While people might enjoy the fire, I don't like the way D'Angelo was jawing at Lillard last night. He's only 20 years old, has only played one year and he's talking trash to a proven point guard? It shows his immaturity (which jives with the Nick Young incident). I posted this before but these guys can't be so big-headed... maybe they got that from playing with Kobe. The other thing is all that did was get Lillard mad and Russell couldn't respond... and the Lakers lost.
...

Hmm, context matters. Whether or not DLo's trash talk was appropriate depends wholly on what Lillard was doing and saying. If an All Star like Lillard is setting screens with his elbows flared, excessively pushing off, or talking non-stop nonsense, then you tell him to "Cut that $#%^ out." And it always escalates when you tell someone to cut the BS.

If you saw the play and then the replay, it was clear that DR was puffing his chest needlessly. He shouldered Lillard after the play... Lillard took offense then DR kept jawing and calling him "chump".

I'm sure you Laker lovers wouldn't take that if some 2nd year player was saying that to Kobe.

Regardless, rooks and sophomores should stay humble.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 13, 2017, 12:10:25 PM
Another embarrassing Lakers loss to the Spurs.
Lakers 94 - Spurs 134



Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 13, 2017, 12:17:39 PM
They had it close at one point, 45-41 I think.

They're just young. Randle still looked good though. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on January 13, 2017, 12:34:09 PM


They're just young. Randle still looked good though. :)

Can he improve his FG% though?  He's % has been going down each month. 

Nov:  49%
Dec: 48%
Jan: 47%
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: B2FiNiTY on January 13, 2017, 04:46:16 PM


They're just young. Randle still looked good though. :)

Can he improve his FG% though?  He's % has been going down each month. 

Nov:  49%
Dec: 48%
Jan: 47%

At least he is consistent at it.  >:D
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 13, 2017, 05:58:19 PM


They're just young. Randle still looked good though. :)

Can he improve his FG% though?  He's % has been going down each month. 

Nov:  49%
Dec: 48%
Jan: 47%

Time to split up the young core? (Keep Ingram and DLo)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on January 17, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Have you seen Randle's stats the last 4 games (plus a poor 1st half thus far tonight)?  The guy is NOT good.  He needs to go to whomever will take him. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 23, 2017, 11:44:29 AM
You know what gets me is that the Lakers have all these young guys but they always get injured.

D'Russ is out again. We should trade him and someone else (like the injury prone Nance Jr.) for a more durable star. They're using Ingram as a PG anyways (although he looks fragile too).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on January 23, 2017, 11:46:30 AM
You know what gets me is that the Lakers have all these young guys but they always get injured.

D'Russ is out again. We should trade him and someone else (like the injury prone Nance Jr.) for a more durable star. They're using Ingram as a PG anyways (although he looks fragile too).

Lakers got hammered last night. Do you think Luke has second thoughts coming to the Lakers?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 26, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
Ask Phil to trade Melo to the Lakers for nothing (nothing be D'Russ and someone).

I don't really like Melo but he's better than what the Lakers currently have.

Funny how LBJ doesn't even want Melo.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on January 26, 2017, 10:23:51 AM
Ask Phil to trade Melo to the Lakers for nothing (nothing be D'Russ and someone).

I don't really like Melo but he's better than what the Lakers currently have.

Funny how LBJ doesn't even want Melo.

Keep the crazy talk in the Trump threads! We're in tank mode. We need a top-3 pick this year or we lose the pick and a first rounder in 2018 to Orlando (if we keep this year's pick the Orlando pick converts to two second round picks). Admittedly, trading for Melo might actually improve our probability of keeping a top-3 pick this year.  :o

Patience is necessary. These kids are young. Try to remember what other current stars played like as 19/20 year olds. Harden was just a sixth man slasher for his first two years in OKC. Klay Thompson was just a skinny shooter. Paul George was a long athletic project. etc.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 26, 2017, 01:10:37 PM
Actually Lakers will lose the 2019 1st round pick to Orlando.

I agree... they should tank, and who better to help a team lose than Melo?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on January 26, 2017, 01:56:12 PM
Actually Lakers will lose the 2019 1st round pick to Orlando.

I agree... they should tank, and who better to help a team lose than Melo?

The fateful Dwight trade with Orlando sent them the Lakers' 2017 first round pick, but only two years after Lakers send first round pick to Suns (fateful Nash trade) from earlier trade (now due to 76ers). If this first round pick is not sent to Suns by 2017, then 2017 and 2018 second round picks to Orlando.

So, the Lakers can try to get a top-3 pick this year and turn that first round pick due to the Magic into two second round picks as a bonus; or the Lakers can try to win enough games to very likely not win a top-3 pick this year, and keep the burden of conveying a first round pick to the Magic.

So, long story short, if the Lakers lose at the rate they're losing and keep a top-3 pick position in the lottery, they:

1) Get to add another top talent in a reportedly loaded draft;
2) Get to convert a first rounder due to Orlando to two second rounders; and
3) Must convey 2018's pick, regardless of position (pick #) to Suns (currently 76ers).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 01, 2017, 09:10:02 AM
The young, very young, Laker core is generally considered: Russell, Randle, Ingram, Clarkson, and Nance. After the last few games though, the Laker with the highest upside today, and I stress today, might be Zubac - great length, good feet, soft hands, soft touch, very skilled for 19 years old, and fluid in the offense. Zubac is already a more valuable player than Mozgov, which might say more about Mozgov than Zubac, but that's another issue (a multi-year, tens of millions of dollars issue...).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on February 01, 2017, 09:55:57 AM
That mozgov deal... *shakes head
I haven't followed his stats and compared to Hibbert, but I doubt his output is worth that stupid deal

Also, the deng deal, wasn't expecting him to perform that bad

Should've made jerry west the supreme executive gm vp or whatever and have the buss kids not get involved
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 01, 2017, 03:51:22 PM
I thought Zubac was a Pokémon. And I wouldn't mind if he evolves into Gobert or Gortat.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 15, 2017, 08:20:25 AM
So we bring in Mozgov on a YUGE contract, even though the league has been evolving for years into "space and pace" play, with the given rationale that he provides a big long body to guard the few effective bigs remaining (and to set massive screens). So why then, when they're playing one of the few teams with an effective big (Kings - Cousins), does he log just 11 minutes?

I think Kupchak has drafted the best available player for a few years. Kudos. But the Deng, and especially the Mozgov contracts, will be his undoing. The Lakers have a two-year window to sign a big FA before they have to start extending the young guns to bigger contracts. They're constrained because of the Deng & Mozgov contracts. Thanks Mitch!

Note to Lakers - Please don't put Magic in charge. We need advanced metrics guys in charge. The Dodgers finally did this, and now the Lakers need to do so.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 15, 2017, 08:39:38 AM
I don't think Magic is going to "save" the Lakers like other fans do.

He's too old school like Byron Scott.

It's funny that now the ESPN radio hosts are recognizing what most of us thought on free agent day, that Mozgov and Deng were overpriced signings. Still not sure why they signed them to multi-year contracts, I think Mitch and Jim thought they were signing Timofy Duncan and Luol Cinder.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on February 15, 2017, 09:50:24 AM
I think Mitch and Jim thought they were signing Timofy Duncan and Luol Cinder.

LOL.  I'm guessing you've been waiting awhile to use those names.  In any event....well done...especially Luol Cinder. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 16, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
Heh... I don't plan that far out... it would have been better if I could've thought of current NBA players that matched up.

Timofy Hardaway Jr?

The only other good active Lou I could think of, the Lakers already have and may trade. Tyrone Luol Deng is coaching.

Anyone who says the Lakers should try to keep winning because that's what the playing in the NBA is about clearly doesn't know that is not what the NBA is all about. It's okay to lose battles to win wars, to sacrifice a queen for checkmate... Team Tank!!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on February 16, 2017, 09:38:07 AM
I'm aboard the team tank completely now! HAHA  ;D

Lonzo ball and fultz would be great lead guards for us.  We could move Russell to the 2 position where he is more natural as

Hypothetical, would you guys do this trade?

Luol Deng
Lou Williams
Randle

for

Carmelo?

We get to drop Deng's contract, get a legit 4 in Carmelo.  Knicks do it for some instant scoring with Lou and a young piece in Randle
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 16, 2017, 09:41:35 AM
I'm aboard the team tank completely now! HAHA  ;D

Lonzo ball and fultz would be great lead guards for us.  We could move Russell to the 2 position where he is more natural as

Hypothetical, would you guys do this trade?

Luol Deng
Lou Williams
Randle

for

Carmelo?

We get to drop Deng's contract, get a legit 4 in Carmelo.  Knicks do it for some instant scoring with Lou and a young piece in Randle

Magic Johnson wil turn the Lakers around?  ;D
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 16, 2017, 09:43:19 AM
Hypothetical, would you guys do this trade?

Luol Deng
Lou Williams
Randle

for

Carmelo?

We get to drop Deng's contract, get a legit 4 in Carmelo.  Knicks do it for some instant scoring with Lou and a young piece in Randle

NOOOOO! Never trade decent assets for a 32 year old scorer/ball stop, unless of course you're one piece away from championship contention.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 16, 2017, 09:48:17 AM
I am anti-Melo for many reasons but I don't think he can hurt the Lakers any more... or actually... if he can, that's a plus to protect the Top 3 pick this year.

And at least the Lakers have one star for the next however many years Melo's contract is for.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on February 16, 2017, 09:55:30 AM
I am anti-Melo for many reasons but I don't think he can hurt the Lakers any more... or actually... if he can, that's a plus to protect the Top 3 pick this year.

And at least the Lakers have one star for the next however many years Melo's contract is for.

WOOO! Looks like I got 50/50 vote support for my trade

Yes...Carmelo won't hurt our top 3 pick this year for sure
Assuming we get Lonzo Ball

Ball
Russell
Ingram
Carmelo
Mozgov
Clarkson
Swaggy
Nance
Zubac

seems like a 7-8th seed, unless I'm missing something...
LA loves big names like Carmelo to get butts in the seats.  I think Luke's offense would do wonders for Carmelo.  Those cuts and mid range shots that Ingram/Randle/Nance gets of those picks, Carmelo would be getting those shots instead .... worth a shot!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 16, 2017, 10:04:15 AM
Lonzo Ball is amazing, but man, I cannot get over that horrific form on his J. Not only is his shooting elbow flared outward (not pointed at the target), his release near his face (not above his head), but he also shoots this right-handed shot from the left side of his head. It is nasty. Effective, but nasty.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on February 16, 2017, 10:15:00 AM
Lonzo Ball is amazing, but man, I cannot get over that horrific form on his J. Not only is his shooting elbow flared outward (not pointed at the target), his release near his face (not above his head), but he also shoots this right-handed shot from the left side of his head. It is nasty. Effective, but nasty.

Agreed.  I'm surprised he went this far without anyone fixing it.  Assuming we get him, I'd hope Lakers write a big check to the top shooting coaches in the league.  I think the Spurs probably have the best ones (see Kawhi/Danny Green etc) or Julius Hodge/Dell Curry mold

I'm looking at our current lakers and I can't even tell who our shooting coach is... Luke? Madson? Metta?  None were great shooters....and they certainly haven't helped Ingram's shot at all.  I also want to see what a legit coach can do to Randle/Nance's shot...

I remember the days Ariza improved his shot tremendously...not sure who helped him...Kobe? Bring him back as a coach  ;D
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 16, 2017, 10:21:12 AM
Don't criticize Lonzo, his dad Lavar will have words with you.

:)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 21, 2017, 08:58:42 AM
So would you have traded Ingram and players for Cousins?

I think I might have made that deal.

Rumors of Jimmy Butler abound... that would be good too.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on February 21, 2017, 09:00:21 AM
So would you have traded Ingram and players for Cousins?

I think I might have made that deal.

Rumors of Jimmy Butler abound... that would be good too.

We gotta develop Ingram. The talent is there. Need meat and confidence.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 21, 2017, 09:02:36 AM
So would you have traded Ingram and players for Cousins?

I think I might have made that deal.


He might sign with the Lakers at the end of the season, according to the article. (No trade needed?)

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/2/21/14682092/la-lakers-trade-rumors-demarcus-cousins-agent-told-teams-he-might-bolt-to-lakers-free-agency
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on February 21, 2017, 09:25:59 AM
Really?
He's going to lose out on more money if that's the case right?
He already lost out on sac, if he bolts, he'll lose out again since the team he's on would have the highest offer.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 21, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
Endorsement deals as a Laker can make up for any CBA shortfall.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 21, 2017, 09:50:10 AM
So would you have traded Ingram and players for Cousins?

I think I might have made that deal.

Rumors of Jimmy Butler abound... that would be good too.

Hell F%^&ing no! I'll be nervous 'til this trade deadline ends. We should really only be shopping Lakers over 25. Stay in full Tank Mode. Let's get a top-3 pick in this generational draft.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on February 21, 2017, 10:26:32 AM
http://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/170221-magic-johnson-president-basketball-operations?et_cid=TW

Bye bye, Jim and Mitch!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 21, 2017, 10:32:13 AM
Crazy. At least Magic is just the figurehead, hopefully, and they find a GM who understands advanced metrics (like the Dodgers did).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on February 21, 2017, 10:37:53 AM
Crazy. At least Magic is just the figurehead, hopefully, and they find a GM who understands advanced metrics (like the Dodgers did).

A rumor I've heard is bringing back Jerry West in an Advisor role with Jesse Buss and Ryan West (Jerry's son) taking the reigns of GM. Kobe would likely be involved somehow too.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 21, 2017, 10:57:27 AM
Crazy. At least Magic is just the figurehead, hopefully, and they find a GM who understands advanced metrics (like the Dodgers did).

A rumor I've heard is bringing back Jerry West in an Advisor role with Jesse Buss and Ryan West (Jerry's son) taking the reigns of GM. Kobe would likely be involved somehow too.

That'll work. I'm on board with that.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on February 21, 2017, 11:14:17 AM
Buss focused more on being a GM than an owner. Let Mitch do that... Just sell the lifestyle like your dad did.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on February 21, 2017, 12:20:20 PM
Most recent update is they are going for kobe's agent rob pelinka as GM

Not sure if that would work, but recent success stories are bob myers from Warriors it seems.  I'm more aboard the ryan west promotion with a clause saying jerry west would come here as an advisor as well.

I probably wouldn't have done the ingram from Cousins trade as well without an extension, but I feel like we could've offered more than Pelicans.  We really dropped the ball on that one, though we don't know what we truly offered

Jordan Clarkson (I think has shown more than Buddy Hield thus far)
Lou will (if they wanted to win, or we can keep him)
If they really wanted a young piece, I would've added Zubac or Randle as well

Our lineup would've been

Russell
Ingram
Cousins
Nance

which is easily a playoff contender for sure
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 21, 2017, 12:22:46 PM
Crazy. At least Magic is just the figurehead, hopefully, and they find a GM who understands advanced metrics (like the Dodgers did).

They need Magic or somebody because currently it's not working.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on February 21, 2017, 12:37:34 PM
I'm not sold on why Mitch had to be let go.  He's been pretty decent in the draft and he has pulled off some pretty favorable trades.  His downfall might have been the inability to draw free agents to the premier franchise/location in the league. 

Jim Buss?  Good riddance....At least the franchise is true to their word on this. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 21, 2017, 12:45:02 PM
I'm not sold on why Mitch had to be let go.  He's been pretty decent in the draft and he has pulled off some pretty favorable trades.  His downfall might have been the inability to draw free agents to the premier franchise/location in the league. 

Jim Buss?  Good riddance....At least the franchise is true to their word on this.

Finally they are accountable

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 21, 2017, 12:46:27 PM
I'm not sold on why Mitch had to be let go.  He's been pretty decent in the draft and he has pulled off some pretty favorable trades.  His downfall might have been the inability to draw free agents to the premier franchise/location in the league. 

Jim Buss?  Good riddance....At least the franchise is true to their word on this.

Agreed. Kupchak's mistakes (Nash, MOZGOV, Deng) don't offset his very good drafts. He lacks personality though. Maybe that's an issue selling the Lakers to big FAs? Magic is ALL personality. Maybe that'll help sell the Lakers to big FAs over the next two seasons while our cap room allows us to chase them.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on February 21, 2017, 12:50:01 PM
I'm not sold on why Mitch had to be let go.  He's been pretty decent in the draft and he has pulled off some pretty favorable trades.  His downfall might have been the inability to draw free agents to the premier franchise/location in the league. 

Jim Buss?  Good riddance....At least the franchise is true to their word on this.

Bless Mitch's heart cause I love that guy for the Pau trade and for trying to get cp3 *f stern* but I think his recent free agent signings (namely Mozgov and Deng) tying our capspace for the next 3-4 years did him in...plus his inability to pull off any trades in recent years

His biggest asset was drafting ..finding gems like Clarkson, nance and zubac deep in the draft so would've preferred hanging on to him and getting rid of jim buss alone, but I'm sure there's more at play here.  Maybe Ryan west or someone else was influential in those picks not mitch?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on February 21, 2017, 01:19:27 PM
I'm not sold on why Mitch had to be let go.  He's been pretty decent in the draft and he has pulled off some pretty favorable trades.  His downfall might have been the inability to draw free agents to the premier franchise/location in the league. 

Jim Buss?  Good riddance....At least the franchise is true to their word on this.

Kevin Ding wrote an article yesterday that details it pretty good: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2693926-magic-johnson-will-have-a-damning-case-against-jim-buss-and-mitch-kupchak
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on February 21, 2017, 01:28:24 PM
Tin foil hat on. Seems like NBA makes trades happen. NBA was bent on getting a Lakers Celtics finals.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 21, 2017, 03:45:28 PM
"In fact, the summer signings of Deng and Mozgov were precisely the sort of middling additions with minimal upside that the Buss siblings agreed in their 2014 family meeting would not be acceptable use of all the salary-cap money the Lakers had been saving year after year."

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/21/14688642/magic-johnson-lakers-jim-buss-demarcus-cousins-trade-rumors?yptr=yahoo
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 21, 2017, 04:10:39 PM
Rob Pelinka the new GM of the Lakers
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 21, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
Sweet Lou's gone - more minutes for Clarkson available. My 5 year old son will not be happy...

The Houston Rockets traded veteran forward Corey Brewer and their 2017 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Lakers for veteran guard Lou Williams on Tuesday night according to multiple sources. Williams brings additional scoring to the Rockets bench, something GM Daryl Morey said he was hoping to accomplish by the trade deadline, which is Thursday. Williams, combined with reserve guard Eric Gordon, have scored 1,835 points.

Calvin Watkins, ESPN Staff Writer
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on February 21, 2017, 06:08:47 PM
Rob Pelinka the new GM of the Lakers

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on February 21, 2017, 09:02:26 PM
Rob Pelinka the new GM of the Lakers

Thoughts?

Brings a big legitimate name to attach to Magic.  Magic's lack of knowledge of the CBA and terrible twitter acct are nicely countered by the experience of Rob Pelinka.  He's well known as one of the best agents and agents know the  CBA probably more than most GM's out there...even though he has no GM experience, I think the skill set is similar

As long as Ryan west gets a bigger role, I can work with Magic/Rob/Ryan West + more scouts overseas

Jeanie wasn't messing around with this takeover!!

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 22, 2017, 06:09:18 AM
Rob Pelinka the new GM of the Lakers

Thoughts?

Magic's lack of knowledge of the CBA and terrible twitter acct are nicely countered by the experience of Rob Pelinka. 

That was a kind way to describe it. Magic's tweets expose him for who he is, like Twitter does to every twit who tweets. He has said the dumbest things about the Dodgers and game results.

But there is hope! Despite the unnecessary platitude, I'm glad he appreciates the young core. However, if KD was over playing with the Warriors and demanded a trade to the Lakers, would/should BI be untouchable? Of course not. So don't say dumb things like this.

"The Lakers’ first move under Johnson was to flip veteran guard Lou Williams to the Houston Rockets for a first-round pick (and also Corey Brewer), and he declared the Lakers young core “untouchable” on his first day on the job."

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/2/21/14693582/la-lakers-magic-johnson-dangelo-russell-ivica-zubac-untouchable-larry-nance-jordan-clarkson
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 22, 2017, 07:50:23 AM
Like in movies, TV and comics... dead doesn't mean dead... so untouchable doesn't mean untouchable.

:)

I want to see what they do with Deng and Mozgov.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on February 22, 2017, 09:14:13 AM
Like in movies, TV and comics... dead doesn't mean dead... so untouchable doesn't mean untouchable.

:)

I want to see what they do with Deng and Mozgov.

I want to see them use the Stretch Provision on Deng's contract. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on February 22, 2017, 09:19:22 AM
Like in movies, TV and comics... dead doesn't mean dead... so untouchable doesn't mean untouchable.

:)

I want to see what they do with Deng and Mozgov.

I want to see them use the Stretch Provision on Deng's contract.

I don't know contracts well, do we have the stretch still?  Do we get to use the extra cap space this coming summer?  I know the only true "get out of jail" card was the amnesty but it wasn't included in the new CBA

Seems we got a late first from Rockets for Lou.  I think Lou was the only chip that could nab a 1st...swaggy probably can only get a 2nd.  Hope we don't go full stupid and use that 1st from Rockets to trade away the contract of Deng/Mozgov...this is a deep draft, a 27th pick could still get a nice player
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 22, 2017, 09:24:05 AM
I've read a bit about the new CBA, and I don't think stretch provisions were included. I think we'll be keeping Moz for at least two more years. Remember, in the final year of his four year contract, that huge expiring salary is attractive to teams trying to reduce salary burdens/lux tax implications through trades.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on February 22, 2017, 10:01:11 AM
I've read a bit about the new CBA, and I don't think stretch provisions were included. I think we'll be keeping Moz for at least two more years. Remember, in the final year of his four year contract, that huge expiring salary is attractive to teams trying to reduce salary burdens/lux tax implications through trades.

Just did a tiny bit more reading.  The stretch makes more sense in the final year of a big contract, not the beginning of a multi year contract.  Say Mozgov in his final year is owed $16 million.  You can "stretch" that final year to 4 years, where they cap hit is only $4 million instead.  I think that math was too basic, but it's the general idea.

Seems we are screwed with those contracts.  Between the two, Mozgov may have some value in a team looking for a backup 5....We won't get a first, but I think we could throw him when he has like 2 years left on contract.  Deng...ugh...no one is gonna want him.  Our only shot is if the Wolves rumor is true and Thibs wants Deng, then we send him over and attach cash/2nd rounder and pray  :-X
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 22, 2017, 01:01:48 PM
I am concerned. I'll keep holding out hope Magic is just a figurehead, whose primary purpose is to attract big FAs.

"A lot of us media folks have had fun noting Magic Johnson’s overly generous tweets that suggest shaky talent evaluation -- he saw Brandon Knight as worthy of the overall No. 1 pick and called Michael Carter-Williams the next Jason Kidd, to cite just two -- but I’m comfortable assuming he’ll be more discerning in the private business of enhancing Los Angeles’ roster."

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/02/22/blogtable-thoughts-los-angeles-lakers-promoting-magic-johnson
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on February 23, 2017, 12:18:11 PM
Kudos to Magic for not trying to make a big splash selling multiple young assets for an All Star in his prime before the deadline. Let's tank, secure a top-3 pick, and proceed from there. If we get a top-3 pick in the Lottery, call the Pacers back...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 23, 2017, 01:24:49 PM
Boo... draft time again.

2-4 more years?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on February 23, 2017, 01:33:37 PM
Lakers traded Huertas for Ennis from Houston....
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on March 08, 2017, 11:09:02 AM
Lakers have a 56% probability of keeping a top-3 pick, if they can keep losing the remainder of their games. This would also give them a 20% chance at the # 1 pick and a 19% chance at the # 2 pick.

http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on April 14, 2017, 03:53:35 PM
The final probability is 47%, of keeping a top-3 pick - not nearly as comfortable as 56%, but likely negligible considering this is a one-time event. The Lotto results will be revealed May 16th. Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 19, 2017, 11:57:35 AM
ESPN710 hosts are such Laker homers.

All they do is criticize the Clippers and how Utah is going to beat them (although the Clippers have a better record against the Jazz the last 5 seasons).

And yes, it's not likely that after they beat the Jazz they will be able to beat the Warriors but who really can now that they added Durant?

They're just jelly because the only thing they can look forward to is a ping pong ball bouncing their way.

It irritates me because Clippers are still an LA team and they are on LA radio so they should try to support rather than tear down. Marcellius is a Clips guy, Keyshawn and Kelvin are neutral... but the rest of those yo-yos need to be more objective.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on April 19, 2017, 12:12:19 PM
ESPN710 hosts are such Laker homers.

All they do is criticize the Clippers and how Utah is going to beat them (although the Clippers have a better record against the Jazz the last 5 seasons).

And yes, it's not likely that after they beat the Jazz they will be able to beat the Warriors but who really can now that they added Durant?

They're just jelly because the only thing they can look forward to is a ping pong ball bouncing their way.

It irritates me because Clippers are still an LA team and they are on LA radio so they should try to support rather than tear down. Marcellius is a Clips guy, Keyshawn and Kelvin are neutral... but the rest of those yo-yos need to be more objective.

LA will always be a Laker town.  I really don't like much os 710.. I'm usually on 570. 

BTW.. I think they need to blow this Clips team up.  No chance of winning.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 19, 2017, 12:49:44 PM
BTW.. I think they need to blow this Clips team up.  No chance of winning.

With GS as they are currently are, no Western team has a chance of winning.

Need to wait for the band to break up... so around 2021, when the Lakers are good again.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on April 19, 2017, 12:57:46 PM
BTW.. I think they need to blow this Clips team up.  No chance of winning.

With GS as they are currently are, no Western team has a chance of winning.

Need to wait for the band to break up... so around 2021, when the Lakers are good again.

The Spurs are still good which is amazing.  Would like to see 3 or 4 good teams on each side.  Unfortunately, it's a two team league. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 19, 2017, 02:10:04 PM
The Spurs are good, but not "win a 7-game series against GS" good.

I feel bad for the Celtics... great season and the Bulls can upset them. But just like the West, Cavs have too much firepower on their side for any East team to have a chance.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on April 19, 2017, 03:09:40 PM
The Spurs are good, but not "win a 7-game series against GS" good.

I feel bad for the Celtics... great season and the Bulls can upset them. But just like the West, Cavs have too much firepower on their side for any East team to have a chance.

I think they can solve the lottery by giving all lottery teams equal chances. That way a team on the cusp can possibly rise to the top.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 16, 2017, 06:00:11 PM
Lavar Ball must have rigged the lottery.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 16, 2017, 06:22:11 PM
Lavar Ball must have rigged the lottery.

Wow. The Lakers pick #2.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 16, 2017, 06:47:05 PM
BBB shoes for all

Oh wait it's too expensive!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 17, 2017, 09:17:42 AM
Lavar Ball must have rigged the lottery.

Wow. The Lakers pick #2.

Desperately needed. Lonzo being the likely choice, should make all of the young gun Lakers better with his unique skill set. It's still gonna take some time for me to get used to that shooting form, and my son better not start emulating it!

Lakers have the second and twenty-eighth picks.

Now the Lakers' first round selection in 2018 goes to the Sixers, regardless (no protections, Nash trade), and the Lakers keep their 2019 first round pick (would have gone to the Magic, Dwight trade). They'll convey this year and next year's second round picks to the Magic, and this year's second round pick is high (#33).

Another piece of good news not often discussed in keeping this top-three pick is, there is no benefit to tanking next season. The Lakers can try to compete and win every game, and the fans won't groan when the Lakers are leading in the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2017, 09:39:52 AM
Excited.  I actually like Lavar Ball.  The Lakers have been lacking a lot.. but big time in the media.  Magic brings more personality to the franchise.  Lavar, for bad or good, brings more press.  Just what we need here in Hollywood!!!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2017, 09:49:13 AM
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/los_angeles_lakers/

man these contracts!  noway we getting rid of Deng or Mosgov this year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2017, 09:49:53 AM
Throw in a wrench into the draft pick scenario.
1. What if the Celtics trade the #1 pick to the Pacers for Paul George or to the Bulls for Jimmy Butler? Then they select Ball as the #1. Celtics in the win now mode.
2. Isiah Thomas has one more year in his contract. So do the the Celtics may select Ball for insurance?
3. Lakers work out other players and they are blown away by other athletes.
4. If the Lakers select Ball are they going to trade Russell?

Is it the best interest for Ball to workout with other teams? In my opinion YES
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2017, 09:55:20 AM
Throw in a wrench into the draft pick scenario.
1. What if the Celtics trade the #1 pick to the Pacers for Paul George or to the Bulls for Jimmy Butler? Then they select Ball as the #1. Celtics in the win now mode.
2. Isiah Thomas has one more year in his contract. So do the the Celtics may select Ball for insurance?
3. Lakers work out other players and they are blown away by other athletes.
4. If the Lakers select Ball are they going to trade Russell?

Is it the best interest for Ball to workout with other teams? In my opinion YES

interesting scenarios.. just don't see Ball going anywhere else.

Lakers best scenario is to hang tight this season and let the young guys play.  Next year, you got two guys that want (or at least have expressed desire) to player for the Lakers.  Cousins and George. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on May 17, 2017, 10:09:51 AM
I was doing my annual superstition and it worked again like a charm LOL

I'm pumped.  I think Fultz is going to boston as he makes the most sense there in that system.  Ball is probably our pick.  His basketball IQ would really elevate our guys.  Russell can switch to the 2 full time and be more successful there.  We have enough shooters, we just need a pass first point for this system

The other 3 names that have me intrigued Josh Jackson/Dennis Smith/Fox.  Josh Jackson for overall game.  Dennis smith has crazy explosiveness.  His ACL issue might be a red flag, but without ACL issue he probably would've been a top #1 contention.  Fox has elite speed which is so important in the NBA.  Best case John Wall...most likely dennis Schroder ish

I've had enough of players that don't play defense.  For the 28, I'd rather follow the Celtics playbook of drafting elite athletes with limited offense with defensive potential.  Look at David Nwada.  I thought he was key to some of our wins.  Larry nance jr type should be the pick, I'm tired of drafting shooters with limited athleticism. 

I like Diallo with the 28.  Super raw athlete but worth the risk.  44.5” max vertical tops on the day and his sprint time ranking second in addition to a 6’11” wingspan

Frank Jackson is also on my radar for 28.  From DX, "Frank Jackson out of Duke, who just recently signed with an agent, posted impressive overall numbers in the athletic testing portion of the Combine. Jackson finished first overall in the shuttle run (2.7 seconds), second overall in the max vertical leap (42), third overall in the standing vertical leap (35.5) and fifth overall in the three-quarter court sprint (3.14 seconds).

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2017, 10:13:31 AM
http://www.theherdnow.com/watch-ball-familys-reaction-when-the-lakers-land-the-2nd-pick/

I love Lavar man... lol.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on May 17, 2017, 10:31:36 AM
Throw in a wrench into the draft pick scenario.
1. What if the Celtics trade the #1 pick to the Pacers for Paul George or to the Bulls for Jimmy Butler? Then they select Ball as the #1. Celtics in the win now mode.
2. Isiah Thomas has one more year in his contract. So do the the Celtics may select Ball for insurance?
3. Lakers work out other players and they are blown away by other athletes.
4. If the Lakers select Ball are they going to trade Russell?

Is it the best interest for Ball to workout with other teams? In my opinion YES

There is no way Ball goes #1, regardless of the team selecting at that spot.  Fultz or Tatum is going first.....Tatum is the better fit for the Celtics roster and Fultz is the better overall player.  It would be interesting if Magic thinks Josh Jackson is a better talent than Ball...would he succumb to the pressure of selecting Lonzo?

I've watched enough of Lonzo to know that he's a special passer and should make everyone better.  If he can put more effort on the defensive side...he'll be a real good one. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2017, 10:49:20 AM
Throw in a wrench into the draft pick scenario.
1. What if the Celtics trade the #1 pick to the Pacers for Paul George or to the Bulls for Jimmy Butler? Then they select Ball as the #1. Celtics in the win now mode.
2. Isiah Thomas has one more year in his contract. So do the the Celtics may select Ball for insurance?
3. Lakers work out other players and they are blown away by other athletes.
4. If the Lakers select Ball are they going to trade Russell?

Is it the best interest for Ball to workout with other teams? In my opinion YES

There is no way Ball goes #1, regardless of the team selecting at that spot.  Fultz or Tatum is going first.....Tatum is the better fit for the Celtics roster and Fultz is the better overall player.  It would be interesting if Magic thinks Josh Jackson is a better talent than Ball...would he succumb to the pressure of selecting Lonzo?

I've watched enough of Lonzo to know that he's a special passer and should make everyone better.  If he can put more effort on the defensive side...he'll be a real good one.

What if the Celts traded their #1 pick with another draft pick and receive the Super Star (Jimmy or Paul)
[since the Celtics have a lot of picks] Just throwing the idea out there

Celts are in a different place than the Lakers. They are in the Eastern conference finals. They need to add a star player asap. (Just imagine if the Celts had Jimmy or Paul on the team now.)

Jimmy = Jimmy Butler
Paul = Paul George
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2017, 11:02:57 AM
Throw in a wrench into the draft pick scenario.
1. What if the Celtics trade the #1 pick to the Pacers for Paul George or to the Bulls for Jimmy Butler? Then they select Ball as the #1. Celtics in the win now mode.
2. Isiah Thomas has one more year in his contract. So do the the Celtics may select Ball for insurance?
3. Lakers work out other players and they are blown away by other athletes.
4. If the Lakers select Ball are they going to trade Russell?

Is it the best interest for Ball to workout with other teams? In my opinion YES

There is no way Ball goes #1, regardless of the team selecting at that spot.  Fultz or Tatum is going first.....Tatum is the better fit for the Celtics roster and Fultz is the better overall player.  It would be interesting if Magic thinks Josh Jackson is a better talent than Ball...would he succumb to the pressure of selecting Lonzo?

I've watched enough of Lonzo to know that he's a special passer and should make everyone better.  If he can put more effort on the defensive side...he'll be a real good one.

What if the Celts traded their #1 pick with another draft pick and receive the Super Star (Jimmy or Paul)
[since the Celtics have a lot of picks] Just throwing the idea out there

Celts are in a different place than the Lakers. They are in the Eastern conference finals. They need to add a star player asap. (Just imagine if the Celts had Jimmy or Paul on the team now.)

Jimmy = Jimmy Butler
Paul = Paul George

Neither of those guys will command number 1.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on May 17, 2017, 11:06:12 AM
Throw in a wrench into the draft pick scenario.
1. What if the Celtics trade the #1 pick to the Pacers for Paul George or to the Bulls for Jimmy Butler? Then they select Ball as the #1. Celtics in the win now mode.
2. Isiah Thomas has one more year in his contract. So do the the Celtics may select Ball for insurance?
3. Lakers work out other players and they are blown away by other athletes.
4. If the Lakers select Ball are they going to trade Russell?

Is it the best interest for Ball to workout with other teams? In my opinion YES

There is no way Ball goes #1, regardless of the team selecting at that spot.  Fultz or Tatum is going first.....Tatum is the better fit for the Celtics roster and Fultz is the better overall player.  It would be interesting if Magic thinks Josh Jackson is a better talent than Ball...would he succumb to the pressure of selecting Lonzo?

I've watched enough of Lonzo to know that he's a special passer and should make everyone better.  If he can put more effort on the defensive side...he'll be a real good one.

What if the Celts traded their #1 pick with another draft pick and receive the Super Star (Jimmy or Paul)
[since the Celtics have a lot of picks] Just throwing the idea out there

Celts are in a different place than the Lakers. They are in the Eastern conference finals. They need to add a star player asap. (Just imagine if the Celts had Jimmy or Paul on the team now.)

Jimmy = Jimmy Butler
Paul = Paul George

Yes the only way Fultz doesn't go first is if they trade the pick to another team to acquire Butler/Paul George.  I do think they should deal the pick as their window is these next 2-3 years.  I'd be dangling Avery Bradley and the pick right now and see who bites first.  Looking at the top few teams in lottery, only a few might prefer a pass first PG. 

I'm pretty sure the Bulls would prefer Fultz especially since Wade/Rondo are probably not going to be back after next year.  Pacers have Teague so they probably need a better scorer so Fultz would be their pick.  Out of the top 10 lottery, I could only see maybe Knicks/Phoenix/Sacramento needing a pass first PG but I don't think they gut their team for Lonzo Ball. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 17, 2017, 06:05:31 PM
How have the Celts bounced back to prominence so quickly (and they have a top pick next year)?

Two words: No Kobe :)

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
How have the Celts bounced back to prominence so quickly (and they have a top pick next year)?

Two words: No Kobe :)

The Eastern Division is weak. Also, Danny Ainge is a semi genius. For example the #1 pick this year is coming from the Nets.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
How have the Celts bounced back to prominence so quickly (and they have a top pick next year)?

Two words: No Kobe :)

Btw - Celts are getting tossed right now. 49-27
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2017, 06:38:34 PM
The east is super weak. Ainge gets lucky again and again.

They are still far behind the cavs. I think fox is better fit for them.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on May 17, 2017, 07:06:05 PM
How have the Celts bounced back to prominence so quickly (and they have a top pick next year)?

Two words: No Kobe :)

Btw - Celts are getting tossed right now. 49-27

They'll lose in 4 or 5 games. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2017, 07:07:08 PM
The east is super weak. Ainge gets lucky again and again.

They are still far behind the cavs. I think fox is better fit for them.

The Lakers were the opposite of lucky under Jim?  ;)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 17, 2017, 07:42:55 PM
Making a big SPLASH!!!

Magic says Kobe wants to be involved with the Lakers. Also, Kareem has some interest being involved with the Lakers.

http://www.lakersnation.com/magic-johnson-says-kobe-bryant-wants-to-be-involved-with-the-lakers/2017/05/17/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 17, 2017, 08:23:00 PM
It's finally time that the greats will be around with Magic as the face. Sells the team way better.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on May 17, 2017, 09:47:52 PM
Mark my words - lonzo ball is over-rated. I hope the lakers take De'Aron fox from Kentucky.  That guy is an elite athlete. Very fast. Ball couldn't guard him. Then I thought it was a bitch move that the balls came out and said he pulled his hamstring early in the Kentucky game.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 18, 2017, 05:49:29 AM
In this draft class, he's rated by most to be top-3 prospect. That seems a fair evaluation. The most accurate description I've heard, is that he's Jason Kidd, but that Lonzo can actually shoot. Lonzo shot 55% from the floor and 41% from three range.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066421/lonzo-ball

Now, his shooting form is ugly, and his dad is another modern era social media idiot who will say anything to get folks to talk about him, good or bad, but his play making ability at Chino Hills and UCLA speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 05:58:02 AM
Mark my words - lonzo ball is over-rated. I hope the lakers take De'Aron fox from Kentucky.  That guy is an elite athlete. Very fast. Ball couldn't guard him. Then I thought it was a bitch move that the balls came out and said he pulled his hamstring early in the Kentucky game.

Fox is a great athlete but doesn't have a shot. Ball didn't guard him much during that game. Fox ran behind high screens and UCLA didn't have the guys to guard him.

Ball took a crappy UCLA team to sweet 16.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 09:20:15 AM
Lonzo's shot is so ugly... seems so easy to block too.

In the end, Lonzo is the hype and more likely than not, Lavar has "spoke it into existence" and he will be a Laker.

Is he what the Laker's need? Not really... they need a scoring wing.

So if they are going to draft Lonzo, I would trade DeAngelo and hopefully Mozgov or Deng for that wing. Or sign one as a free agent. The question is who? I know everyone keeps saying PG13 or Jimmy Buckets but I think you have to target someone who has the ability but isn't really a superstar yet, like Otto Porter.

But if I had to pick between PG or JB, definitely PG.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on May 18, 2017, 09:20:35 AM
Mark my words - lonzo ball is over-rated. I hope the lakers take De'Aron fox from Kentucky.  That guy is an elite athlete. Very fast. Ball couldn't guard him. Then I thought it was a bitch move that the balls came out and said he pulled his hamstring early in the Kentucky game.

Fox is a great athlete but doesn't have a shot. Ball didn't guard him much during that game. Fox ran behind high screens and UCLA didn't have the guys to guard him.

Ball took a crappy UCLA team to sweet 16.

No doubt about it, Ball > Fox.  That sweet-16 game was one game, and he was off for some reason.  Ball has the higher ceiling and will probably make his teammates better.  Fox is good, but doesn't necessarily have the same all-star potential.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 09:27:10 AM
Lonzo's shot is so ugly... seems so easy to block too.

In the end, Lonzo is the hype and more likely than not, Lavar has "spoke it into existence" and he will be a Laker.

Is he what the Laker's need? Not really... they need a scoring wing.

So if they are going to draft Lonzo, I would trade DeAngelo and hopefully Mozgov or Deng for that wing. Or sign one as a free agent. The question is who? I know everyone keeps saying PG13 or Jimmy Buckets but I think you have to target someone who has the ability but isn't really a superstar yet, like Otto Porter.

But if I had to pick between PG or JB, definitely PG.

I disagree with need. We do need a real PG.

We do need an athletic wing. Hopefully get George now or later.

Would love cousins too. Get his head right. He is the best center in the league.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on May 18, 2017, 09:36:36 AM
How have the Celts bounced back to prominence so quickly (and they have a top pick next year)?

Two words: No Kobe :)

It's not quite as simple as "No kobe"  What Boston did was absolutely fleece the Nets in what may go down as one of the most lopsided trades of all time with an all time bad GM in Billy King.  So you need a Billy King to rebuild quickly.  That fool put no protections on those 1st round picks. 

"The Brooklyn Nets have acquired Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White from the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans and three first round draft picks (2014, 2016 and 2018), as well as the right to swap first round picks in 2017, Nets General Manager Billy King has announced"

So what the Celtics did value assets over loyalty.  They traded away their face of their franchise in Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett and looked toward the future.  Lakers did the opposite and valued Kobe's past achievements and rewarded him for it and let him retire a Laker.  So you can just say "no kobe" and expect us to suddenly do better.  Which is ironic as well because Kobe's general terrible play the last few years netted us a lot of nice assets in Russell/Ingram in the draft lol.  Looking back, I probably still keep Kobe those last few years.  As a diehard fan, I would've thrown a fit if I saw a headline "Kobe traded to _____ for x player and this pick" even if it improved our future chances. 

In Hindsight, we could've rebuilt much better with Kobe still on the roster.  Few things that come to mind, we should've kept Ariza and just paid the man instead of getting Metta World.  We so desperately need 3 & D and he's thriving in Houston.  Isiah Thomas verbally said he wanted to be a Laker many times but he didn't sign him and his asking price for a trade was low.  We could've rolled the dice on a Harrison barnes instead of Mozgov/Deng contracts.  You also can't forget "Basketball reasons" which would've gotten us at the minimum chris paul with the assumed Dwight howard following.  So it's not just "no kobe" it's really lots of more complicated reasons why we are where we are.

But looking ahead, we got the #2 pick in a stacked draft.  Hope the lakers do their due diligence in workouts and don't shy away from a non Lonzo ball pick.  If we can find a gem, you draft him (looking back on Porzingis vs Russell).  We have a non too shabby core of Russell/Clarkson/Ingram/Randle/Zubac and we just need to build on it.  Hope we don't trade young players for a Paul George and just wait for him to come in 2018 instead. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 09:38:39 AM
I disagree with need. We do need a real PG.

We do need an athletic wing. Hopefully get George now or later.

Would love cousins too. Get his head right. He is the best center in the league.

Our PG position is serviceable with D'Angelo and even Clarkson... so it's not a deep need... and most good teams don't have a true pass-first PG anymore (both Cleveland, Boston and GS have scoring PGs).

Your post is like one of those "Lakers will get everything they want dreams" like a few years back... "not only will KD sign with the Lakers, but so will Westbrook and Anthony Davis". :)

Magic is not real magic... we have to be reasonable about what we can get and what's going to happen. It's still going to be a few years before the Lakers are good enough for the playoffs, and then even more years beyond that when they are championship contenders (GS and Lebron will be too old).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on May 18, 2017, 09:43:40 AM
Lavar Ball guaranteed the Lakers will make the playoffs next year with Lonzo on the team.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 09:45:52 AM
I disagree with need. We do need a real PG.

We do need an athletic wing. Hopefully get George now or later.

Would love cousins too. Get his head right. He is the best center in the league.

Our PG position is serviceable with D'Angelo and even Clarkson... so it's not a deep need... and most good teams don't have a true pass-first PG anymore (both Cleveland, Boston and GS have scoring PGs).

Your post is like one of those "Lakers will get everything they want dreams" like a few years back... "not only will KD sign with the Lakers, but so will Westbrook and Anthony Davis". :)

Magic is not real magic... we have to be reasonable about what we can get and what's going to happen. It's still going to be a few years before the Lakers are good enough for the playoffs, and then even more years beyond that when they are championship contenders (GS and Lebron will be too old).

Not exactly. George wants to be a Lakers and cousins wanted to get a deal to LA as well.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 09:47:38 AM
How have the Celts bounced back to prominence so quickly (and they have a top pick next year)?

Two words: No Kobe :)

It's not quite as simple as "No kobe"  What Boston did was absolutely fleece the Nets in what may go down as one of the most lopsided trades of all time with an all time bad GM in Billy King.  So you need a Billy King to rebuild quickly.  That fool put no protections on those 1st round picks. 

"The Brooklyn Nets have acquired Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White from the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans and three first round draft picks (2014, 2016 and 2018), as well as the right to swap first round picks in 2017, Nets General Manager Billy King has announced"

So what the Celtics did value assets over loyalty.  They traded away their face of their franchise in Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett and looked toward the future.  Lakers did the opposite and valued Kobe's past achievements and rewarded him for it and let him retire a Laker.  So you can just say "no kobe" and expect us to suddenly do better.  Which is ironic as well because Kobe's general terrible play the last few years netted us a lot of nice assets in Russell/Ingram in the draft lol.  Looking back, I probably still keep Kobe those last few years.  As a diehard fan, I would've thrown a fit if I saw a headline "Kobe traded to _____ for x player and this pick" even if it improved our future chances. 

In Hindsight, we could've rebuilt much better with Kobe still on the roster.  Few things that come to mind, we should've kept Ariza and just paid the man instead of getting Metta World.  We so desperately need 3 & D and he's thriving in Houston.  Isiah Thomas verbally said he wanted to be a Laker many times but he didn't sign him and his asking price for a trade was low.  We could've rolled the dice on a Harrison barnes instead of Mozgov/Deng contracts.  You also can't forget "Basketball reasons" which would've gotten us at the minimum chris paul with the assumed Dwight howard following.  So it's not just "no kobe" it's really lots of more complicated reasons why we are where we are.

But looking ahead, we got the #2 pick in a stacked draft.  Hope the lakers do their due diligence in workouts and don't shy away from a non Lonzo ball pick.  If we can find a gem, you draft him (looking back on Porzingis vs Russell).  We have a non too shabby core of Russell/Clarkson/Ingram/Randle/Zubac and we just need to build on it.  Hope we don't trade young players for a Paul George and just wait for him to come in 2018 instead. 

Heh... took the bait... spoken like a true Kobe fan.

I don't mind that the Lakers were loyal to Kobe, but no one wanted to play with him. He didn't make other players better... he needed better players to be here (and who could put up with him) to win.

I like how you mention the CP3 trade... do you really think that would have worked? CP3 and Kobe on the same team? And everyone forgets that the the Lakers would have lost Gasol in that trade... who is one of the biggest reason why Lakers were able to win their last championships in the first place.

Loyalty aside, if I wanted the Lakers to get back to prominence sooner than later, I would have let Kobe go. And yes, they should have done things like sign IT2 and not do those stupid Moz/Deng contracts. So maybe the two words should be "Jim Buss". But again, they did get Randle/Clarkson/Nance/Russell/Ingram. But I don't put too much into that, because top draft picks (esp #2s) are sort of no brainers (although most of the last 16 #2 picks haven't been very good).

[LakerWishHatOn] We do some 3-team trade with Boston and Indiana where we get IT2 and PG13. :)

#KobeHater
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2017, 09:47:47 AM
Lavar Ball guaranteed the Lakers will make the playoffs next year with Lonzo on the team.

I don't know about that. He chocked against Kentucky. 10 points
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 09:49:39 AM
Lavar Ball guaranteed the Lakers will make the playoffs next year with Lonzo on the team.

Did he "speak it into existence"?

Didn't he also say UCLA was going to the Final Four?

But given the way Lavar mojo'd the lottery, the Lakers should just sign Lonzo so we can see the Warriors kill the Lakers in the 1-8 first round of the playoffs next season.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 09:50:51 AM
Not exactly. George wants to be a Lakers and cousins wanted to get a deal to LA as well.

Screenshot or this is just LakerWishing.

Don't Laker fans think every superstar wants to come to LA?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 09:58:55 AM
Not exactly. George wants to be a Lakers and cousins wanted to get a deal to LA as well.

Screenshot or this is just LakerWishing.

Don't Laker fans think every superstar wants to come to LA?

Lol well only way you would believe is if he tweeted it out.

He's an LA kid and adores Kobe. Kimmel was grilling him and he didn't even deny it. Obviously the obstacle is that the pacers can pay him much more.

Cousins tried to make a trade. Rumored kings wanted Ingram so no deal.

Would be fun to get Lakers back in the mix. For now, fun to see Durant lose to leGoat again.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2017, 10:01:34 AM
Mark my words - lonzo ball is over-rated. I hope the lakers take De'Aron fox from Kentucky.  That guy is an elite athlete. Very fast. Ball couldn't guard him. Then I thought it was a bitch move that the balls came out and said he pulled his hamstring early in the Kentucky game.

De'Aron Fox the next John Wall. (Boom)
Btw - John Wall went to Kentucky also

Magic and Rob Pelinka went to the Kentucky and UCLA game.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/119002/kentuckys-freshmen-upstage-the-lonzo-ball-show
 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on May 18, 2017, 10:26:30 AM

I like how you mention the CP3 trade... do you really think that would have worked? CP3 and Kobe on the same team? And everyone forgets that the the Lakers would have lost Gasol in that trade... who is one of the biggest reason why Lakers were able to win their last championships in the first place.

#KobeHater

I truly think we would've won with cp3 and Kobe.  I think Cp3 is probably the 1 guy in the league that Kobe would've trusted 100% and let him run the show.  Plus they are all so competitive that they would've made it work.  Yeah Kobe is very intense so probably a good percentage of players wouldn't want to play with Kobe but Cp3 would've one of the few that would match his intensity I think.  Others in the same mold would be Garnett/Duncan/Metta World peace type who love kobe.  The type that don't like Kobe are the Shaq/Dwight type who are more easy going.  Don't forget that Dwight was coming as a follow up deal for Bynum so Cp3/Kobe/Dwight+ shooters in my opinion was a contender for sure.  Dwight would've been much better with a cp3 on the team.  I honestly think cp3/kobe/Dwight team would've been just as good as the kobe/pau/odom teams that won the back 2 back.  Oh well no point in beating a dead horse lol.  Odom fell off a cliff too apparently on the news of the trade and it rapidly started our rebuild. 

Not exactly. George wants to be a Lakers and cousins wanted to get a deal to LA as well.

Screenshot or this is just LakerWishing.

Don't Laker fans think every superstar wants to come to LA?

Lol well only way you would believe is if he tweeted it out.

He's an LA kid and adores Kobe. Kimmel was grilling him and he didn't even deny it. Obviously the obstacle is that the pacers can pay him much more.

Cousins tried to make a trade. Rumored kings wanted Ingram so no deal.

Would be fun to get Lakers back in the mix. For now, fun to see Durant lose to leGoat again.

Yes the Kings deal was widely reported and verified later on.  Essentially if you were a Cousins guy, blame Mitch/Jim Buss on that one.  Later reported said that the Pelicans and the Vlade Divac had already met face to face many times to discuss that deal.   During all star weekend they met again.  They were already in deep talks until Mitch decided it was right to give them a call so they essentially started the convo it's "ingram or no deal" since the Kings GM had a thing for buddy hield that he wanted no less than ingram since he was already committed to Pelicans.  If he had a few extra days, maybe they could've started lower and built up.  He's a big believer in the set rules, for example it's often noted that he's infamous for not calling any free agent before the free agency period begins.  Free agents are like us, they want to know where there is a guaranteed interest and deal waiting.  They don't want to wait until midnight to begin talks.  I know Gm's talking with free agents is tampering but other players talking to free agents isn't.   It was often reported that the warriors players were texting Durant after their loss and recruited him for months.  Also Eric Gordon to the Rockets was also Harden constantly texting him etc.

All is not loss as Cousins is a free agent.  But we might be screwed anyway by the Mozgov/Deng signing as he's going to want a Max and we might not have it as the cap didn't go as high as expected.  Mitch/Jim screw us again lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 10:46:43 AM
I dunno... I remember how everyone was saying that LeMarcus Aldridge wanted to be a Laker, Carmelo wanted to be a Laker, Kevin Durant wanted to be a Laker (Steven A Smith where are you?)... ESPN was even talking about Gordon Hayward for a while... and Mozgov and Deng never said that... yet here they are.

:)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 10:47:12 AM

I like how you mention the CP3 trade... do you really think that would have worked? CP3 and Kobe on the same team? And everyone forgets that the the Lakers would have lost Gasol in that trade... who is one of the biggest reason why Lakers were able to win their last championships in the first place.

#KobeHater

I truly think we would've won with cp3 and Kobe.  I think Cp3 is probably the 1 guy in the league that Kobe would've trusted 100% and let him run the show.  Plus they are all so competitive that they would've made it work.  Yeah Kobe is very intense so probably a good percentage of players wouldn't want to play with Kobe but Cp3 would've one of the few that would match his intensity I think.  Others in the same mold would be Garnett/Duncan/Metta World peace type who love kobe.  The type that don't like Kobe are the Shaq/Dwight type who are more easy going.  Don't forget that Dwight was coming as a follow up deal for Bynum so Cp3/Kobe/Dwight+ shooters in my opinion was a contender for sure.  Dwight would've been much better with a cp3 on the team.  I honestly think cp3/kobe/Dwight team would've been just as good as the kobe/pau/odom teams that won the back 2 back.  Oh well no point in beating a dead horse lol.  Odom fell off a cliff too apparently on the news of the trade and it rapidly started our rebuild. 

Not exactly. George wants to be a Lakers and cousins wanted to get a deal to LA as well.

Screenshot or this is just LakerWishing.

Don't Laker fans think every superstar wants to come to LA?

Lol well only way you would believe is if he tweeted it out.

He's an LA kid and adores Kobe. Kimmel was grilling him and he didn't even deny it. Obviously the obstacle is that the pacers can pay him much more.

Cousins tried to make a trade. Rumored kings wanted Ingram so no deal.

Would be fun to get Lakers back in the mix. For now, fun to see Durant lose to leGoat again.

Yes the Kings deal was widely reported and verified later on.  Essentially if you were a Cousins guy, blame Mitch/Jim Buss on that one.  Later reported said that the Pelicans and the Vlade Divac had already met face to face many times to discuss that deal.   During all star weekend they met again.  They were already in deep talks until Mitch decided it was right to give them a call so they essentially started the convo it's "ingram or no deal" since the Kings GM had a thing for buddy hield that he wanted no less than ingram since he was already committed to Pelicans.  If he had a few extra days, maybe they could've started lower and built up.  He's a big believer in the set rules, for example it's often noted that he's infamous for not calling any free agent before the free agency period begins.  Free agents are like us, they want to know where there is a guaranteed interest and deal waiting.  They don't want to wait until midnight to begin talks.  I know Gm's talking with free agents is tampering but other players talking to free agents isn't.   It was often reported that the warriors players were texting Durant after their loss and recruited him for months.  Also Eric Gordon to the Rockets was also Harden constantly texting him etc.

All is not loss as Cousins is a free agent.  But we might be screwed anyway by the Mozgov/Deng signing as he's going to want a Max and we might not have it as the cap didn't go as high as expected.  Mitch/Jim screw us again lol

yup, the mone will be an issue.  those contracts are horrid! 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 10:48:54 AM
I dunno... I remember how everyone was saying that LeMarcus Aldridge wanted to be a Laker, Carmelo wanted to be a Laker, Kevin Durant wanted to be a Laker (Steven A Smith where are you?)... and Mozgov and Deng never said that... yet here they are.

:)

well like anything, you can take one voice to be all voice.  Fans will say anything.  LeMarcus never said or hinted he wanted to be a Laker.. nor did KD.  Melo was actually deciding but NYC is his home and they money was there.  Most LA fans didn't want Melo anyways. 

In this day an age, even if players desire to come its hard to turn down the tens of millions they will walk away from with the new CBA. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 10:50:33 AM
I dunno... I remember how everyone was saying that LeMarcus Aldridge wanted to be a Laker, Carmelo wanted to be a Laker, Kevin Durant wanted to be a Laker (Steven A Smith where are you?)... ESPN was even talking about Gordon Hayward for a while... and Mozgov and Deng never said that... yet here they are.

:)

didn't SAS say he wanted to come to LA... errr Clippers?  I think it made more sense for KD to go to the clips or Boston to make them instant contenders.. instead, he got scared and joined the guys that beat him up. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 10:56:20 AM
LeMarcus never said or hinted he wanted to be a Laker.. nor did KD.

Don't mess with Steven A, he's going to look in your eye straight through the camera.

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In this day an age, even if players desire to come its hard to turn down the tens of millions they will walk away from with the new CBA. 

A smart player would know that whatever they don't make in their contract, they will surely make up for in endorsements as a Laker.

Sure, you don't have to be in LA to sign big deals, but I do think that the number of opportunities is much higher and more lucrative than a Cracker Barrel billboard in Memphis.

Only problem is everyone wants a ring... and you either ride the GSTrain or the LebronTrain. Or just be angry like Westbrook. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 11:07:58 AM
Not sure if there has been a luckier champ team like GS. That will all change once curry re ups his contract. He's going  to get lit up by Kyrie though.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 11:16:45 AM
Magic already stated all big time FAs will stay with their teams this year. All eyes on next year.   I like this. If Ball lives up to his pick then there can be momentum.

Adrian Wojnarowski: [Lakers] are pretty confident and have a great deal of belief that they’re in position to get Paul George in 2018. 16 mins ago – via Yahoo! Sports
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 11:34:57 AM
Paul George didnt get all nba team.. less 30M he can get from Pacers.  Things looking better for la la land next year. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 11:55:11 AM
So would you sign and trade for PG13 now or just hope for FA where you don't have to give up any assets?

Does Indiana have any first round picks?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on May 18, 2017, 12:07:45 PM
IHO - I think you overestimate how much endorsement money these guys would get in LA. None are really marketable. So I do think it wil be harder for some of these guys to leave because  they are leaving a lot of money on the table
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 12:15:56 PM
So would you sign and trade for PG13 now or just hope for FA where you don't have to give up any assets?

Does Indiana have any first round picks?

I'd wait for the year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 18, 2017, 12:23:33 PM
Paul George misses out on All-NBA teams, makes it easier for Lakers to acquire him
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/5/18/15657064/la-lakers-free-agency-trade-paul-george-all-nba-selections-contract-designated-player-extension
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
IHO - I think you overestimate how much endorsement money these guys would get in LA. None are really marketable. So I do think it wil be harder for some of these guys to leave because  they are leaving a lot of money on the table

True. But it depends on the player.

Like KD can get endorsements anywhere so it's not that big of a deal.

But PG (who already does commercials) could get higher profile/money endorsements in LA than in Indianapolis.

Especially now that Kobe is retired, LA needs a centerpiece... although with the hype machine that Lavar creates, it could just be Lonzo.

The last name alone is marketing genius.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 01:49:59 PM
Not exactly. George wants to be a Lakers and cousins wanted to get a deal to LA as well.

Screenshot or this is just LakerWishing.

Don't Laker fans think every superstar wants to come to LA?

Lol well only way you would believe is if he tweeted it out.

He's an LA kid and adores Kobe. Kimmel was grilling him and he didn't even deny it. Obviously the obstacle is that the pacers can pay him much more.

PG tweeted (and deleted) about being traded to Boston.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mtYEXP3nbpE/maxresdefault.jpg)

Can't believe anything until they are actually wearing purple and gold.

(http://pm1.narvii.com/6386/45d54df90e8a276bc4c5060a27759c9990f4dfc0_hq.jpg)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 03:53:08 PM
Lots can happen between now and next year. I say we have 51 percent chance as of now.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 18, 2017, 03:58:13 PM
Watch the video. It's Funny. (Click the link for videos)

"The latest drama came as Ball, who is the father of departing UCLA point guard Lonzo and incoming UCLA shooting guard LiAngelo, squared off with Kristine Leahy, who is Colin Cowherd’s co-host. Leahy has been critical of Big Baller Band and Ball decided that he did not want to speak to or look at her during the interview.

So he spent the entire interview with his back to Leahy, telling her to “stay in her lane” on two different occasions. Ball also said that “I never disrespect women, but if you act like that, guess what: something’s coming to you.”"

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/05/17/video-lavar-ball-to-kristine-leahy-stay-in-your-lane/


There’s a lot of backlash already swirling around Lonzo Ball that has everything to do with his father, LaVar.

That includes these tweets from the sister of Philadelphia 76ers guard Ben Simmons, who will be a rookie like Ball despite the fact that he was drafted first overall last year and sat out 2016-17 due to injury.

Here’s what she said after the elder Ball went on The Herd and threatened co-host Kristine Leahy, who had noted the Big Baller Brand might work better with bigger-named apparel companies if it catered to women more:

I hope my brother dunks on lonzo ball so hard next year that his daddy runs on the court to help him up………

— Olivia Simmons (@livvalice) May 18, 2017

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/05/lavar-ball-fs1-kristine-leahy-ben-simmons-sister-olivia-twitter-blast-dunks-on-lonzo
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 04:11:30 PM
As much of a douche that Lavar is, this was Christine playing victim and crying sheep.

She had gotten on him days before this saying that his sons were terrified of him. Then he ignores her and calls her a hater. She throws in things like are you threatening me and disrespecting women bs. That was far from what happened.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on May 18, 2017, 04:22:53 PM
As much of a douche that Lavar is, this was Christine playing victim and crying sheep.

She had gotten on him days before this saying that his sons were terrified of him. Then he ignores her and calls her a hater. She throws in things like are you threatening me and disrespecting women bs. That was far from what happened.

I saw the 15 minute clip. He did threaten her. Told her "you got something" then she called him out on it and he backed off saying he wasn't a psychic. He handled that horribly and he appearnly likes to dish it out but can't take any heat himself. What a p#ssy.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 05:39:55 PM
As much of a douche that Lavar is, this was Christine playing victim and crying sheep.

She had gotten on him days before this saying that his sons were terrified of him. Then he ignores her and calls her a hater. She throws in things like are you threatening me and disrespecting women bs. That was far from what happened.

I saw the 15 minute clip. He did threaten her. Told her "you got something" then she called him out on it and he backed off saying he wasn't a psychic. He handled that horribly and he appearnly likes to dish it out but can't take any heat himself. What a p#ssy.

Qwerty is swayed by the blond hair and pretty face.

While Lavar was being harsh, Leahy is not innocent in this. As j$ said, she was saying some opinionated stuff about how he raised his sons prior to this interview so there was already tension and then she goaded him on.

It's all about context as I felt that way after the initial reports, but there is more to this than just that interview.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 05:58:36 PM
As much of a douche that Lavar is, this was Christine playing victim and crying sheep.

She had gotten on him days before this saying that his sons were terrified of him. Then he ignores her and calls her a hater. She throws in things like are you threatening me and disrespecting women bs. That was far from what happened.

I saw the 15 minute clip. He did threaten her. Told her "you got something" then she called him out on it and he backed off saying he wasn't a psychic. He handled that horribly and he appearnly likes to dish it out but can't take any heat himself. What a p#ssy.

He was referencing what she already trashed him about and said "if you act like that then you got something coming to you" ie karma but she took it as a threat and played victim then later threw in discrimination against women and fat people (which that other dude deserves because he is a fat troll). Lahey doesn't even make any sense how she wouldn't wear something that says big Baller Brand. Not like she wearing LeBron stuff.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 05:58:54 PM
This article has a different take:

https://bossip.com/1558802/why-im-team-lavar-ball-in-his-battle-with-colin-cowherd-and-rose-armitage/

Basically Leahy and Whitlock piled on Lavar a bit prior so he was already pre-loaded.

If someone, man or woman, implied that I abused my kids, I would tell them to stay in their lane.

And he didn't threaten her, he basically said that if you're going to say unfounded things about people like that, karma will get you. Which she immediately twisted into a "threat". He did not say "*I* am going to do something to you".

And now after this show she's going on air twisting what happened even more.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 18, 2017, 06:00:08 PM
J$ beat me to it.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on May 18, 2017, 07:23:26 PM
You guys must be gay. How can you not take the side of the hot blonde :-)

He doesn't have to say "I" to make it a threat. You guys really think he meant karma? The main issue is that he didn't keep his composure, he is a clown. She was critical of him previously, he could have been critical of her but kept it professional. This guy is like talentless Stephen a smith
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 18, 2017, 07:27:43 PM
You guys must be gay. How can you not take the side of the hot blonde :-)

He doesn't have to say "I" to make it a threat. You guys really think he meant karma? The main issue is that he didn't keep his composure, he is a clown. She was critical of him previously, he could have been critical of her but kept it professional. This guy is like talentless Stephen a smith

Think?  He did mean karma. She just got it twisted.

That's the thing. He is arrogant and says stuff that irrates peeps. That's why people pile on him for this. However, to be objective... Lahey was in the wrong here.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 19, 2017, 08:12:41 AM
He doesn't have to say "I" to make it a threat. You guys really think he meant karma?
I think you need to go back and view it again. He wasn't "threatening" her in the way she implied (like physically). He was basically saying that if she continues to say unfounded stuff about him, it will come back to her.

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The main issue is that he didn't keep his composure, he is a clown. She was critical of him previously, he could have been critical of her but kept it professional. This guy is like talentless Stephen a smith
He actually was trying to stay professional.

He was trying to ignore her, he told her to keep out of his conversation with Colin ("stay in your lane") and then any response he gave her, she twisted it into something else like threats, disrespecting women, etc.

If you don't want to market your brand to women, is that really disrespecting them? And BTW, BBB does have women's t-shirts, just not shoes.

Again, everyone was initially jumping to side with the "hot blonde", but once people started looking at the context and the previous comments Leahy had said about Lavar, she wasn't so innocent.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 08:57:05 AM
"Ball also managed to sneak in a shot at another FOX talking head, Jason Whitlock, who he said “can’t comment on anything but snacks.”

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/05/17/video-lavar-ball-to-kristine-leahy-stay-in-your-lane/

My comment: The thing concerning is what is the dad going to say next?

He doesn't have to say "I" to make it a threat. You guys really think he meant karma?
I think you need to go back and view it again. He wasn't "threatening" her in the way she implied (like physically). He was basically saying that if she continues to say unfounded stuff about him, it will come back to her.

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The main issue is that he didn't keep his composure, he is a clown. She was critical of him previously, he could have been critical of her but kept it professional. This guy is like talentless Stephen a smith
He actually was trying to stay professional.

He was trying to ignore her, he told her to keep out of his conversation with Colin ("stay in your lane") and then any response he gave her, she twisted it into something else like threats, disrespecting women, etc.

If you don't want to market your brand to women, is that really disrespecting them? And BTW, BBB does have women's t-shirts, just not shoes.

Again, everyone was initially jumping to side with the "hot blonde", but once people started looking at the context and the previous comments Leahy had said about Lavar, she wasn't so innocent.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 19, 2017, 09:22:22 AM
"Ball also managed to sneak in a shot at another FOX talking head, Jason Whitlock, who he said “can’t comment on anything but snacks.”

Which again, Leahy elevated, saying that now Lavar was discriminating against overweight people.

She just has it out for him because she doesn't like him, and her and Whitlock had been criticizing Lavar for a few weeks before this interview.

If you're gonna' talk trash while he's not there to defend himself... and then when he gets there, do you really think he's going to be nice to you?

I think Lavar should calm it down... but in this case, he was justified in his responses.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 09:24:26 AM
"Ball also managed to sneak in a shot at another FOX talking head, Jason Whitlock, who he said “can’t comment on anything but snacks.”

Which again, Leahy elevated, saying that now Lavar was discriminating against overweight people.

She just has it out for him because she doesn't like him, and her and Whitlock had been criticizing Lavar for a few weeks before this episode.

If you're gonna' talk trash while he's not there to defend himself... and then when he gets there, do you really think he's going to be nice to you?

But do you comment about his weight?
Would it offend fat people?

No filter comments = PR disaster for the team who selects his son
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 19, 2017, 09:34:54 AM
But do you comment about his weight?
Would it offend fat people?

Well... if you want to be technical, he didn't call Whitlock "fat", he just said that he may know more about snacks than how he raises his son. I don't think you guys are looking at the previous comments made by Leahy and Whitlock while Lavar was not there to respond to that criticism:

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Jason Whitlock said of Lonzo, “his son looks like a robot, and his father looks like the total man in the family. And his son is about to go off to a NBA franchise, and be surrounded by grown men, and it seems like he’s just daddy’s little boy, a robot who’s controlled by his father. I’m out on LaVar Ball, I think he’s a problem for this kid–his schtick–he’s talking about a reality TV show and all that. … he needs to get out of the way and let his sons lead their own life.”

So not only did Whitlock insult Lavar, but also Lonzo. And to add to this, I don't think Whitlock is even married or has kids, so what does he know about raising sons the right way?

http://liverampup.com/entertainment/jason-whitlock-pour-thoughts-getting-married-does-wishes-have-wife-ready-yet.html

So yeah, maybe he does know more about snacks than raising a son.

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No filter comments = PR disaster for the team who selects his son

There is also no such thing as "bad press". Why do you think everyone wants Lavar Ball interviews? His sound bites are everywhere. Call it the Kardashian Effect but pending disaster interests people.

Will it be a distraction for the Lakers? Sure. But wasn't Kobe? Wasn't Shaq? Wasn't Metta? After these last 4 boring seasons of the Lakers, don't you want some spice?

Ball may be the worst... or best thing to happen to the Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 09:47:51 AM
Below is a list of the Lakers corporate partners (sponsors).

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/corporate_partners/

Let me give you a scenario. If Ball gets selected by the Lakers. Would you not be concern about the dad's comments if you were one of the Lakers corporate sponsor?
Also, would parents buy Ball's jersey?

(Remember it's all about the business)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 19, 2017, 09:54:56 AM
Below is a list of the Lakers corporate partners (sponsors).

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/corporate_partners/

Let me give you a scenario. If Ball gets selected by the Lakers. Would you not be concern about the dad's comments if you were one of the Lakers corporate sponsor?
Also, would parents buy Ball's jersey?

(Remember it's all about the business)

What has Ball really said that would offend these sponsors?

Has he been disrespectful to women? Or did he just have an argument with Leahy who happens to be female?

Did he say anything derogatory about overweight people as a whole? Or did he just have a beef with someone and make a joke about their eating habits after he criticized his parenting.

It's all about context which you keep ignoring.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 10:49:30 AM
Below is a list of the Lakers corporate partners (sponsors).

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/corporate_partners/

Let me give you a scenario. If Ball gets selected by the Lakers. Would you not be concern about the dad's comments if you were one of the Lakers corporate sponsor?
Also, would parents buy Ball's jersey?

(Remember it's all about the business)

What has Ball really said that would offend these sponsors?

Has he been disrespectful to women? Or did he just have an argument with Leahy who happens to be female?

Did he say anything derogatory about overweight people as a whole? Or did he just have a beef with someone and make a joke about their eating habits after he criticized his parenting.

It's all about context which you keep ignoring.

And you keep on ignoring the fact his comments are controversial.

"After UCLA was eliminated from the NCAA tournament by Kentucky in March, LaVar said, "Realistically you can't win no championship with three white guys because the foot speed is too slow. "

http://lancasteronline.com/sports/basketball/college/column-lavar-ball-go-away-and-take-your-sneakers-with/article_b2645178-335d-11e7-82d7-fb1ad30422cb.html
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 19, 2017, 11:08:12 AM
And you keep on ignoring the fact his comments are controversial.

No I'm not. You are pulling a Leahy on me.

What I have said is that they are not controversial enough (yet) to worry about sponsors dropping Laker contracts.

I just asked you if you think they are too controversial and you have not answered.

And even after that NCAA comment, Lonzo's stock has not dropped for the draft.

Look at the last NFL draft for players who were drafted that actually did something controversial (like domestic violence).
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 19, 2017, 11:19:12 AM
Sponsors won't be worried about lonzo cuz it's his dad.

Whitlock is a troll. He even called Serena fat and made a comment about food so he is indeed knowledgeable on snacks.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 11:20:38 AM
And you keep on ignoring the fact his comments are controversial.

No I'm not. You are pulling a Leahy on me.

What I have said is that they are not controversial enough (yet) to worry about sponsors dropping Laker contracts.

I just asked you if you think they are too controversial and you have not answered.

And even after that NCAA comment, Lonzo's stock has not dropped for the draft.

Look at the last NFL draft for players who were drafted that actually did something controversial (like domestic violence).

Yeah - Sure. I'm pulling a Leahy on you. Get Real.
If you look at the interview the dad didn't look like he was joking around when he was in the studio with Leahy. I think Cowherd should of stepped in since he is the host of the show.

Regarding the comment he made about Whitlock. Indirectly in my opinion, he was talking about Whitlock appearance. To me that's kind of a low blow attack.
I think a lot of people comment about Lavar's parenting not just Whitlock. So Lavar shouldn't feel shocked.

That's what you think that Lavar's stock hasn't dropped. I've read other articles that dispute that.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 11:36:35 AM
Sponsors won't be worried about lonzo cuz it's his dad.

We don't know that. Since he hasn't been drafted. This is speculation.

Remember the Clippers and Sterling situation.
"A growing number of sponsors have ended or suspended their partnerships with the Los Angeles Clippers amid the controversy surrounding owner Donald Sterling's racist and inflammatory remarks."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/donald-sterling-controversy-more-sponsors-699303

The sponsors that left at the time is long. (Too many to list)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 19, 2017, 11:40:10 AM
Yeah - Sure. I'm pulling a Leahy on you. Get Real.

You said:

And you keep on ignoring the fact his comments are controversial.

So where exactly did I do that? Saying something is not as controversial as people think it is, is not the same as "ignoring the facts his comments are controversial".

Telling a reporter to not get involved in his conversation with someone else is not disrespectful to women.

Saying that he is not marketing his men's basketball shoe to women is not disrespectful to women.

Telling a reporter that if they continue to slander him, that eventually that will come back on them is not a threat.

Dismissing someone's comment about how he raises his sons by saying he would be better off talking about snacks is not a commentary on all overweight people. You might be think that's a low blow, but Leahy took to another level as if Lavar was insulting every overweight person on the planet.

Leahy exaggerated and twisted Lavar's comments... that's the fact. Me ignoring them as controversial is not, that's why you are pulling a Leahy because you are applying your filter on my comments.

Just like you couldn't connect veterans and freedom of speech.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 19, 2017, 11:48:09 AM
Sponsors won't be worried about lonzo cuz it's his dad.

We don't know that. Since he hasn't been drafted. This is speculation.

Remember the Clippers and Sterling situation.
"A growing number of sponsors have ended or suspended their partnerships with the Los Angeles Clippers amid the controversy surrounding owner Donald Sterling's racist and inflammatory remarks."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/donald-sterling-controversy-more-sponsors-699303

The sponsors that left at the time is long. (Too many to list)

because that is him.. and that is his team.  No doubt Lonzo is going to get the sponsorships because.. his dad hasn't even done anything wrong.  Just a loud mouth. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 11:52:00 AM
Yeah - Sure. I'm pulling a Leahy on you. Get Real.

You said:

And you keep on ignoring the fact his comments are controversial.

So where exactly did I do that? Saying something is not as controversial as people think it is, is not the same as "ignoring the facts his comments are controversial".

Telling a reporter to not get involved in his conversation with someone else is not disrespectful to women.

Saying that he is not marketing his men's basketball shoe to women is not disrespectful to women.

Telling a reporter that if they continue to slander him, that eventually that will come back on them is not a threat.

Dismissing someone's comment about how he raises his sons by saying he would be better off talking about snacks is not a commentary on all overweight people. You might be think that's a low blow, but Leahy took to another level as if Lavar was insulting every overweight person on the planet.

Leahy exaggerated and twisted Lavar's comments... that's the fact. Me ignoring them as controversial is not, that's why you are pulling a Leahy because you are applying your filter on my comments.

Just like you couldn't connect veterans and freedom of speech.

What do veterans have to do with this? I like to find a solution instead of pointing fingers.

Hold up and stop the press. I never stated my opinion about Lavar raising his kids. I think he did a good job, getting his son into UCLA and a top prospect into the NBA draft. That being said, his comments are over the top. In my opinion, he should of hired a top sports agent. They have the experience with marketing and PR.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 19, 2017, 11:54:32 AM
Yeah - Sure. I'm pulling a Leahy on you. Get Real.

You said:

And you keep on ignoring the fact his comments are controversial.

So where exactly did I do that? Saying something is not as controversial as people think it is, is not the same as "ignoring the facts his comments are controversial".

Telling a reporter to not get involved in his conversation with someone else is not disrespectful to women.

Saying that he is not marketing his men's basketball shoe to women is not disrespectful to women.

Telling a reporter that if they continue to slander him, that eventually that will come back on them is not a threat.

Dismissing someone's comment about how he raises his sons by saying he would be better off talking about snacks is not a commentary on all overweight people. You might be think that's a low blow, but Leahy took to another level as if Lavar was insulting every overweight person on the planet.

Leahy exaggerated and twisted Lavar's comments... that's the fact. Me ignoring them as controversial is not, that's why you are pulling a Leahy because you are applying your filter on my comments.

Just like you couldn't connect veterans and freedom of speech.

What do veterans have to do with this? I like to find a solution instead of pointing fingers.

Hold up and stop the press. I never stated my opinion about Lavar raising his kids. I think he did a good job, getting his son into UCLA and a top prospect into the NBA draft. That being said, his comments are over the top. In my opinion, he should of hire a seasoned top sports agent. They have the experience with marketing and PR.

Lavar has been many things.. arrogant.. says crazy stuff.  Stuff like that doesn't lose sponsorship.  Racist stuff will.  However, Lavar didn't do anything wrong.  The issue he had the other day was all on Lehey. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 11:56:27 AM
Yeah - Sure. I'm pulling a Leahy on you. Get Real.

You said:

And you keep on ignoring the fact his comments are controversial.

So where exactly did I do that? Saying something is not as controversial as people think it is, is not the same as "ignoring the facts his comments are controversial".

Telling a reporter to not get involved in his conversation with someone else is not disrespectful to women.

Saying that he is not marketing his men's basketball shoe to women is not disrespectful to women.

Telling a reporter that if they continue to slander him, that eventually that will come back on them is not a threat.

Dismissing someone's comment about how he raises his sons by saying he would be better off talking about snacks is not a commentary on all overweight people. You might be think that's a low blow, but Leahy took to another level as if Lavar was insulting every overweight person on the planet.

Leahy exaggerated and twisted Lavar's comments... that's the fact. Me ignoring them as controversial is not, that's why you are pulling a Leahy because you are applying your filter on my comments.

Just like you couldn't connect veterans and freedom of speech.

What do veterans have to do with this? I like to find a solution instead of pointing fingers.

Hold up and stop the press. I never stated my opinion about Lavar raising his kids. I think he did a good job, getting his son into UCLA and a top prospect into the NBA draft. That being said, his comments are over the top. In my opinion, he should of hire a seasoned top sports agent. They have the experience with marketing and PR.

Lavar has been many things.. arrogant.. says crazy stuff.  Stuff like that doesn't lose sponsorship.  Racist stuff will.  However, Lavar didn't do anything wrong.  The issue he had the other day was all on Lehey.

How about his UCLA comment?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 19, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
Just keep it real, dawg!  lol

It still won't affect him.  Lavar going to do something pretty evil to ruin Lonzo endorsements outside of the shoe deal which they are just choosing not to do.  Even now if Lavar says okay no more BBB demands, one of those companies will sign him.  We'll see how it plays out but I'm sure Lonzo going to do a few Carl's Jr ads in a few months.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 12:09:29 PM
Just keep it real, dawg!  lol

It still won't affect him.  Lavar going to do something pretty evil to ruin Lonzo endorsements outside of the shoe deal which they are just choosing not to do.  Even now if Lavar says okay no more BBB demands, one of those companies will sign him.  We'll see how it plays out but I'm sure Lonzo going to do a few Carl's Jr ads in a few months.

Another good point, the Big shoe companies said no. However, that may change in the future. They may offer to sign him, but not for 3 billion.  ;) :D
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 19, 2017, 12:14:11 PM
Just keep it real, dawg!  lol

It still won't affect him.  Lavar going to do something pretty evil to ruin Lonzo endorsements outside of the shoe deal which they are just choosing not to do.  Even now if Lavar says okay no more BBB demands, one of those companies will sign him.  We'll see how it plays out but I'm sure Lonzo going to do a few Carl's Jr ads in a few months.

Another good point, the Big shoe companies said no. However, that may change in the future. They may offer to sign him, but not for 3 billion.  ;) :D

Only one man knows what lavar will do. Maybe he said 3B to just get the number up or maybe he really just crazy.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 19, 2017, 01:29:35 PM
What do veterans have to do with this? I like to find a solution instead of pointing fingers.

Sigh. Because you aren't connecting the dots like you couldn't with vets and free speech.

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Hold up and stop the press. I never stated my opinion about Lavar raising his kids. I think he did a good job, getting his son into UCLA and a top prospect into the NBA draft.

This proves what I am saying. I did not say you were being like Leahy because you were criticizing Ball, I said you were being like her because you were twisting my comments.

Does that make sense yet? Leahy = someone who twists another person's comments --> eyephone twists IHO's comments :: eyephone = pulling a Leahy.

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That being said, his comments are over the top. In my opinion, he should of hired a top sports agent. They have the experience with marketing and PR.

I agree with the first part, his comments are over the top, but that is his marketing/PR style... "no filter / say what I think" comments.

Maybe he's using Trump tactics.

And regardless, talent "trumps" controversy. Otherwise, the Lakers would have dropped Kobe after the Colorado incident.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on May 19, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
I don't have a problem with anything Lavar has said. I tend to agree with Paul Pierce when he says that Lavar is a, "Marketing Genius."

Also, the players around Lonzo at UCLA were not good. Lonzo's play making abilities made those guys look better than the actually are.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 19, 2017, 01:42:14 PM
I don't have a problem with anything Lavar has said. I tend to agree with Paul Pierce when he says that Lavar is a, "Marketing Genius."

Also, the players around Lonzo at UCLA were not good. Lonzo's play making abilities made those guys look better than the actually are.

Almost down right horrid. Lonzo totally elevated the team. I'm happy were finally seeing someone that really wants to be a laker.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 02:19:42 PM
Last time I checked we were talking about the Lakers and Ball not Vets. Yeah, save your vet speach for someone who cares and has the time to connect the dots with the stars in the sky. No one is twisting your comments.


What do veterans have to do with this? I like to find a solution instead of pointing fingers.

Sigh. Because you aren't connecting the dots like you couldn't with vets and free speech.

Quote
Hold up and stop the press. I never stated my opinion about Lavar raising his kids. I think he did a good job, getting his son into UCLA and a top prospect into the NBA draft.

This proves what I am saying. I did not say you were being like Leahy because you were criticizing Ball, I said you were being like her because you were twisting my comments.

Does that make sense yet? Leahy = someone who twists another person's comments --> eyephone twists IHO's comments :: eyephone = pulling a Leahy.

Quote

That being said, his comments are over the top. In my opinion, he should of hired a top sports agent. They have the experience with marketing and PR.

I agree with the first part, his comments are over the top, but that is his marketing/PR style... "no filter / say what I think" comments.

Maybe he's using Trump tactics.

And regardless, talent "trumps" controversy. Otherwise, the Lakers would have dropped Kobe after the Colorado incident.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 19, 2017, 02:25:03 PM
Last time I checked we were talking about the Lakers and Ball not Vets. Yeah, save your vet speach for someone who cares and has the time to connect the dots with the stars in the sky. No one is twisting your comments.

You make this so easy. Next time, just stay in your lane.

#LaVarTactics
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 19, 2017, 02:29:56 PM
Last time I checked we were talking about the Lakers and Ball not Vets. Yeah, save your vet speach for someone who cares and has the time to connect the dots with the stars in the sky. No one is twisting your comments.

You make this so easy. Next time, just stay in your lane.

#LaVarTactics

That's weak sauce
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on May 19, 2017, 11:02:29 PM
Just keep it real, dawg!  lol

It still won't affect him.  Lavar going to do something pretty evil to ruin Lonzo endorsements outside of the shoe deal which they are just choosing not to do.  Even now if Lavar says okay no more BBB demands, one of those companies will sign him.  We'll see how it plays out but I'm sure Lonzo going to do a few Carl's Jr ads in a few months.

Lonzo has no personality at all. All everyone talks about is his dad, not Lonzo. Maybe Lavar will be in a carls jr ad, but not the kid.

and while whitlock doesnt have kids, you dont need to have kids to make the statements he did. everything whitlock said was accurate. Lavar is trying to live the life through his kid that he never could. he just needs to get out of the way and let his kid play ball, make some money and im sure lonzo will take care of Lavar just fine. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 23, 2017, 08:40:11 PM
Just keep it real, dawg!  lol

It still won't affect him.  Lavar going to do something pretty evil to ruin Lonzo endorsements outside of the shoe deal which they are just choosing not to do.  Even now if Lavar says okay no more BBB demands, one of those companies will sign him.  We'll see how it plays out but I'm sure Lonzo going to do a few Carl's Jr ads in a few months.

Lonzo has no personality at all. All everyone talks about is his dad, not Lonzo. Maybe Lavar will be in a carls jr ad, but not the kid.

and while whitlock doesnt have kids, you dont need to have kids to make the statements he did. everything whitlock said was accurate. Lavar is trying to live the life through his kid that he never could. he just needs to get out of the way and let his kid play ball, make some money and im sure lonzo will take care of Lavar just fine.

Whitlock is an idiot.  Lavar knows one thing.. he didn't just stand by and let his sons just play ball.  Now all three of them will go to UCLA.. and one going to the NBA.  He's done something right. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: qwerty on May 23, 2017, 11:34:19 PM
Half of the NBAs players didn't have their dad raise them. The only thing lavar did right was give them good genetics
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 24, 2017, 05:31:21 AM
Lavar's responsible for Lonzo's horrific shooting form - the most basic skill he should teach his son whom he thinks is better than MJ. That form, despite its effectiveness, is now affecting assessments of this prospect. Lonzo shoots the ball, as a righty, from a very low point, to the left of his head, with his elbow flared out to the right. It's ugly.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 24, 2017, 06:44:42 AM
Half of the NBAs players didn't have their dad raise them. The only thing lavar did right was give them good genetics

So your kids don't need you? That's disrespecting children. :)

#PullingALeahy
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on May 24, 2017, 08:17:41 AM
Lavar's responsible for Lonzo's horrific shooting form - the most basic skill he should teach his son whom he thinks is better than MJ. That form, despite its effectiveness, is now affecting assessments of this prospect. Lonzo shoots the ball, as a righty, from a very low point, to the left of his head, with his elbow flared out to the right. It's ugly.

He's the consensus #2 pick in the draft...I think it's a bit of a reach to say it's impacting assessments.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 24, 2017, 09:08:27 AM
Lavar's responsible for Lonzo's horrific shooting form - the most basic skill he should teach his son whom he thinks is better than MJ. That form, despite its effectiveness, is now affecting assessments of this prospect. Lonzo shoots the ball, as a righty, from a very low point, to the left of his head, with his elbow flared out to the right. It's ugly.

He's the consensus #2 pick in the draft...I think it's a bit of a reach to say it's impacting assessments.

No reach at all. These players aren't perfect, and Lonzo has many flaws, the biggest being his rail thin frame, being slower off the bounce than elite PGs, and mainly his horrific shooting form, albeit very effective in HS/college.

The most fascinating shooting form in the nation starts with a gather from the left hip and travels up to the left side of the forehead; with the right arm stretched across the torso at a 45-degree angle, the ball is slung toward the rim. From behind the college 3-point line, the shot is 41 percent accurate. The form belongs to Lonzo Ball, leader of no. 3 seed UCLA. “It’s a big baller backyard shot,” Ball’s proud father, LaVar Ball, said in a recent interview. Lonzo’s bizarre mechanics are befitting of his quirky, offbeat style, and the results are positive.
https://theringer.com/lonzo-ball-ucla-shooting-mechanics-6eeda2ef3e41

What's tricky is how Ball is inhibited from pulling up he goes right. The shot originates on his left side, with Ball pulling the basketball up from his waist and unintentionally fighting natural shooting motion. This makes use of him at the next level problematic in coming off screens, getting the ball high against all-world defenders, and using creativity with the dribble to bring the ball up without having it swiped away. In moving his body from left to right, Ball will either have to change how he builds his shooting form or deal with the consequences.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/changing-lonzo-balls-shooting-form-might-be-trying-to-fix-what-isnt-broken/

Where his awkward shooting mechanics can be exploited is off the dribble ... On the one hand, Ball converted on 48.6% of his jumpers off the dribble, a number that was near the top in college basketball ... However, rarely did he attempt such shots this season, and most of them were step-back three pointers rather than mid range pull ups ... His inability to pull up in the mid-range is a function of his extremely slow shooting mechanics. Ball's low release point and need to come back across his body certainly seem to factor into his inability to get his jumper off when pulling up off the dribble, and he has almost no in-between game because of it ... He will need to develop a somewhat quicker release if he ever wants to be effective in this facet of the game ...
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lonzo-ball

Ball sports a highly unusual shooting motion, albeit one he found quite a bit of success with this season.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lonzo-Ball-7229/ ©DraftExpress
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 24, 2017, 09:28:16 AM
That shot is ugly, reminds me of Shawn Marion.

LBJ's jump shot was ugly (it had a weird hitch in it) when he first came into the NBA (although not as) and he fixed it over time. Kind of ironic has LBJ is poking fun at Lonzo's shot:

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2017/03/31/lebron-james-mocks-lonzo-ball-jump-shot/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on May 24, 2017, 09:28:56 AM
Lavar's responsible for Lonzo's horrific shooting form - the most basic skill he should teach his son whom he thinks is better than MJ. That form, despite its effectiveness, is now affecting assessments of this prospect. Lonzo shoots the ball, as a righty, from a very low point, to the left of his head, with his elbow flared out to the right. It's ugly.

He's the consensus #2 pick in the draft...I think it's a bit of a reach to say it's impacting assessments.

No reach at all. These players aren't perfect, and Lonzo has many flaws, the biggest being his rail thin frame, being slower off the bounce than elite PGs, and mainly his horrific shooting form, albeit very effective in HS/college.

The most fascinating shooting form in the nation starts with a gather from the left hip and travels up to the left side of the forehead; with the right arm stretched across the torso at a 45-degree angle, the ball is slung toward the rim. From behind the college 3-point line, the shot is 41 percent accurate. The form belongs to Lonzo Ball, leader of no. 3 seed UCLA. “It’s a big baller backyard shot,” Ball’s proud father, LaVar Ball, said in a recent interview. Lonzo’s bizarre mechanics are befitting of his quirky, offbeat style, and the results are positive.
https://theringer.com/lonzo-ball-ucla-shooting-mechanics-6eeda2ef3e41

Where his awkward shooting mechanics can be exploited is off the dribble ... On the one hand, Ball converted on 48.6% of his jumpers off the dribble, a number that was near the top in college basketball ... However, rarely did he attempt such shots this season, and most of them were step-back three pointers rather than mid range pull ups ... His inability to pull up in the mid-range is a function of his extremely slow shooting mechanics. Ball's low release point and need to come back across his body certainly seem to factor into his inability to get his jumper off when pulling up off the dribble, and he has almost no in-between game because of it ... He will need to develop a somewhat quicker release if he ever wants to be effective in this facet of the game ...
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lonzo-ball

Ball sports a highly unusual shooting motion, albeit one he found quite a bit of success with this season.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lonzo-Ball-7229/ ©DraftExpress

Two big questions on that shot of his.  Yes it's not pretty but yes it's quite effective.  The shot mechanics are bit like Kevin Martin to me, he uses the same shot mechanics on every shot so at least.  It's not terrible like a MKG , but the low release point might affect his shooting inside of 3 pt land on pull ups.  1st big question, can he hit it consistently at NBA range? Can he pull up with that shot against NBA defense or will he need a pick every time? He's got a really fast release so I'm not too worried, kind of like our own D'LO.  Ironically, that stupid shot of his I think helps his passing/overall game.  I've seen enough clips of him that the defender really has no idea if he's shooting or passing since it's so unorthodox.  A traditional "beautiful" shot like a ray allen might be easier to read since his shooting/passing looks completely different...but ray allen's a whole different animal because of the elevation he gets on his shot. 

On the other hand, if he needs a pick every time to pull up, that's a huge red flag to me and might make me look at a different prospect entirely.  It's not hard to change mechanics but we would need to hire the best in the league to help him like the spurs with kawhi etc.  His passing/IQ is elite but in the nba today you need to be able to shoot.  I still love Rubio/rondo as nba players but their shooting is definitely holding them back. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 24, 2017, 09:37:33 AM
Two years ago I would've thrown something at my TV if the Lakers had selected Okafor over DLo. Okafor is a dinosaur. The league has evolved.

It's not like that for me this year. Ball does so many things exceptionally well, that I'm fine with the Lakers taking him second. I'd be happy with Fox or Jackson second too.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 24, 2017, 09:37:40 AM
The only good thing is that he can get his shot off quick.  But like Perspective says.. it can be difficult for him to make a shot off dribble which we saw on that sports science segment. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 24, 2017, 09:41:35 AM
Luckily, Lonzo's coveted skills aren't shooting (like Rondo)... but he should have the 3-ball to keep the defense honest.

Are there any bigs near the top?

Everyone says this is a deep draft but they say that every year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on May 24, 2017, 09:46:15 AM
An "ugly" shot doesn't mean that it's not effective. He's got a quick release and almost optimal spin rate. When rushed, he may not be as accurate, but that's the case for almost any player at any level.

You don't need a perfect form for success. Jim Furyk has an "ugly" golf swing but he's one of the top golfers in the world. Jim Abbott pitched with one hand. At this point, it's more important that Lonzo continue to perfect his stroke than try to change it.

As I said earlier, he's still the consensus #2 player in a deep draft. If the shot was a show stopper, he'd probably be much lower.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on May 24, 2017, 09:49:25 AM
Luckily, Lonzo's coveted skills aren't shooting (like Rondo)... but he should have the 3-ball to keep the defense honest.

Are there any bigs near the top?

Everyone says this is a deep draft but they say that every year.

Zach Collins from Gonzaga will be a lottery pick and probably the best big in the draft. I really like Lauri Markkanen from Arizona. 7 footer who can move and has a great shot. I'd actually like to see the Lakers trade Russell or Randle for a #10 thru #13 pick and get that guy.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on May 24, 2017, 09:52:07 AM
Luckily, Lonzo's coveted skills aren't shooting (like Rondo)... but he should have the 3-ball to keep the defense honest.

Are there any bigs near the top?

Everyone says this is a deep draft but they say that every year.

These are top wing prospects, this was copy pasted from reddit klutch_shot
Seems Isaac is climbing up draft boards fast and might be worth a look at the 2nd.  Him and Ingram on defense would be crazy length

Interesting take from Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast:


Nate Duncan and Danny LeRoux prospect reviews on Isaac, Tatum and Jackson
Near draft season Nate and Danny do prospect reviews on the top 10 or so prospects after watching detailed game film on each prospect. I especially enjoy Nate's perspective since he watches more NBA than almost anyone and tends to look at prospects at how they would fit in today's NBA. For example his top 3 last year was Simmons, Brown and Murray and he was completely out on Dunn which looks good in retrospect.

Recently they started their draft review on the 3 wings in the 2017 NBA draft. Namely Jayson Tatum, Jonathan Isaac, and Josh Jackson in that order respectively. The prospect reviews are 15-20 minutes long and the links to the 3 reviews and the start time are linked below:

Podcast reviewing Jayson Tatum starts at the 34:55 minute mark

Spoiler:


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/17/lotto-mania-sasgsw-game-2-jayson-tatum-scouting-report

Podcast reviewing Jonathan Isaac starts at the 41:23 minute mark

Spoiler:


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/21/conference-finals-all-nba-team-implications-jonathan-isaac-scouting-report

Podcast reviewing Josh Jackson starts at the 31:50 minute mark

Spoiler:


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/22/boscle-game-3-josh-jackson-scouting-report

After reviewing the 3 wing prospects they had the following ranking:


Isaac
(big gap)
Tatum
(slight gap)
Jackson

They both agreed that the only wing prospect that might be worth a top 5 pick in this draft is Isaac.
Post courtesy of klutch_shot on reddit
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 24, 2017, 10:06:32 AM
An "ugly" shot doesn't mean that it's not effective. He's got a quick release and almost optimal spin rate. When rushed, he may not be as accurate, but that's the case for almost any player at any level.

You don't need a perfect form for success. Jim Furyk has an "ugly" golf swing but he's one of the top golfers in the world. Jim Abbott pitched with one hand. At this point, it's more important that Lonzo continue to perfect his stroke than try to change it.

As I said earlier, he's still the consensus #2 player in a deep draft. If the shot was a show stopper, he'd probably be much lower.

It has been effective. What the Lakers and other teams must evaluate, is whether his shooting form will continue to be effective in the NBA, with longer, faster, better prepared players who will expose every one of Ball's weaknesses.

Watch Ball in the Summer League, whatever team he's on. Every defender will shade him to his left, forcing him to go right. They'll also get longer limbs up near the left side of Ball's head to affect that low release shot.

The fact remains, shooting form like his is not successful in the NBA. The only outlier is Kevin Martin, who had similar form, but not as poor. Are the Lakers comfortable with this? I'm not.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 24, 2017, 10:34:07 AM
Exactly what Perspective said... 82 games for 48 minutes at the NBA level is an entirely different animal than high school and 1 year of college.

That's why so many top draft picks fail.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on May 24, 2017, 11:04:37 AM
An "ugly" shot doesn't mean that it's not effective. He's got a quick release and almost optimal spin rate. When rushed, he may not be as accurate, but that's the case for almost any player at any level.

You don't need a perfect form for success. Jim Furyk has an "ugly" golf swing but he's one of the top golfers in the world. Jim Abbott pitched with one hand. At this point, it's more important that Lonzo continue to perfect his stroke than try to change it.

As I said earlier, he's still the consensus #2 player in a deep draft. If the shot was a show stopper, he'd probably be much lower.

It has been effective. What the Lakers and other teams must evaluate, is whether his shooting form will continue to be effective in the NBA, with longer, faster, better prepared players who will expose every one of Ball's weaknesses.

Watch Ball in the Summer League, whatever team he's on. Every defender will shade him to his left, forcing him to go right. They'll also get longer limbs up near the left side of Ball's head to affect that low release shot.

The fact remains, shooting form like his is not successful in the NBA. The only outlier is Kevin Martin, who had similar form, but not as poor. Are the Lakers comfortable with this? I'm not.

You do realize that Lonzo is a top prospect IN SPITE of his poor shooting form, not BECAUSE of it.  He's valued as a distributor more than anything else.  He's compared to Jason Kidd.  Lonzo is probably not the defender that Kidd was, but he's a much more accurate shooter from long range and he's a very good finisher at the basket. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on May 24, 2017, 11:58:29 AM
No. Wow. I did not realize that...
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on May 25, 2017, 12:12:19 AM
I hope the Lakers don't sign Chris Bosh.

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-chris-bosh-signing-with-los-angeles-a-possibility/2017/05/24/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on May 25, 2017, 06:15:56 AM
I hope the Lakers don't sign Chris Bosh.

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-chris-bosh-signing-with-los-angeles-a-possibility/2017/05/24/

This rumor only because he hangs in LA and rob is his old agent.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 25, 2017, 03:09:06 PM
Lavar Balll's new tshirt:

https://bigballerbrand.com/collections/frontpage/products/stay-in-yo-lane-tee-solid

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1250/2479/products/Stay-in-Yo-Lane-Without-Slashes-Men_1024x1024.jpg?v=1495671451)

Quote
By Popular Demand, Now You can give everyone some smart words to live by, without opening your mouth.

The Stay In Yo Lane Men's T-Shirt is made with soft and comfortable fabric to help keep you dry and comfortable,

-Exclusively at BigBallerBrand.com for a Limited Time.

Hilarious.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 01, 2017, 01:27:51 PM
NBA Draft News: Lakers may not draft Lonzo Ball if he doesn't 'blow the doors off' his workout
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/5/31/15722408/la-lakers-draft-news-rumors-lonzo-ball-workout

Bring in Ingram (LONG!) and have him shade Ball's left side. Let's see if he can get his shot off.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 01, 2017, 01:35:21 PM
Lavar Balll's new tshirt:

https://bigballerbrand.com/collections/frontpage/products/stay-in-yo-lane-tee-solid

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1250/2479/products/Stay-in-Yo-Lane-Without-Slashes-Men_1024x1024.jpg?v=1495671451)

Quote
By Popular Demand, Now You can give everyone some smart words to live by, without opening your mouth.

The Stay In Yo Lane Men's T-Shirt is made with soft and comfortable fabric to help keep you dry and comfortable,

-Exclusively at BigBallerBrand.com for a Limited Time.

Hilarious.

this is awesome but I just wouldn't spend $50 on it.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 01, 2017, 01:39:35 PM
Lavar Balll's new tshirt:

https://bigballerbrand.com/collections/frontpage/products/stay-in-yo-lane-tee-solid

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1250/2479/products/Stay-in-Yo-Lane-Without-Slashes-Men_1024x1024.jpg?v=1495671451)

Quote
By Popular Demand, Now You can give everyone some smart words to live by, without opening your mouth.

The Stay In Yo Lane Men's T-Shirt is made with soft and comfortable fabric to help keep you dry and comfortable,

-Exclusively at BigBallerBrand.com for a Limited Time.

Hilarious.

this is awesome but I just wouldn't spend $50 on it.

50 bones for that. Naw
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 01, 2017, 01:41:58 PM
Lavar Balll's new tshirt:

https://bigballerbrand.com/collections/frontpage/products/stay-in-yo-lane-tee-solid

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1250/2479/products/Stay-in-Yo-Lane-Without-Slashes-Men_1024x1024.jpg?v=1495671451)

Quote
By Popular Demand, Now You can give everyone some smart words to live by, without opening your mouth.

The Stay In Yo Lane Men's T-Shirt is made with soft and comfortable fabric to help keep you dry and comfortable,

-Exclusively at BigBallerBrand.com for a Limited Time.

Hilarious.

this is awesome but I just wouldn't spend $50 on it.

50 bones for that. Naw

shirt is not even fitted.. no thanks.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 01, 2017, 02:04:46 PM
NBA Draft News: Lakers may not draft Lonzo Ball if he doesn't 'blow the doors off' his workout
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/5/31/15722408/la-lakers-draft-news-rumors-lonzo-ball-workout


Did you hear what Jerry West said about Lavar Ball?


Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 01, 2017, 02:06:24 PM
NBA Draft News: Lakers may not draft Lonzo Ball if he doesn't 'blow the doors off' his workout
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/5/31/15722408/la-lakers-draft-news-rumors-lonzo-ball-workout


Did you hear what Jerry West said about Lavar Ball?

Do tell
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 01, 2017, 02:16:46 PM
NBA Draft News: Lakers may not draft Lonzo Ball if he doesn't 'blow the doors off' his workout
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/5/31/15722408/la-lakers-draft-news-rumors-lonzo-ball-workout


Did you hear what Jerry West said about Lavar Ball?

No
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 01, 2017, 02:20:35 PM
NBA Draft News: Lakers may not draft Lonzo Ball if he doesn't 'blow the doors off' his workout
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/5/31/15722408/la-lakers-draft-news-rumors-lonzo-ball-workout


Did you hear what Jerry West said about Lavar Ball?

Do tell

http://www.nbcsports.com/video/jerry-west-lavar-ball-i-wouldnt-want-dad

(Earlier today Jerry West on the DP show. There is a video on the conversation)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 01, 2017, 02:51:33 PM
So who you got for the NBA finals? (Warriors or Cavs)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 01, 2017, 04:14:43 PM
So who you got for the NBA finals? (Warriors or Cavs)

Warriors

But cavs winning will cement LeBron as top 2
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 01, 2017, 04:27:50 PM
So who you got for the NBA finals? (Warriors or Cavs)

Warriors

But cavs winning will cement LeBron as top 2

Speaking of LeBron. I didn't know he had a house in Brentwood.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-home-in-los-angeles-reportedly-vandalized-with-racial-slur-053117
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 01, 2017, 04:37:27 PM
So who you got for the NBA finals? (Warriors or Cavs)

Warriors

But cavs winning will cement LeBron as top 2

Speaking of LeBron. I didn't know he had a house in Brentwood.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-home-in-los-angeles-reportedly-vandalized-with-racial-slur-053117

Didn't realize that happened LA. Stupid.

Hope he dunks on KD multiple times tonight.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 01, 2017, 07:43:14 PM
Lakers interested in Dion Waiters.

http://heatnation.com/rumors/miami-heat-rumors-heat-not-willing-to-overpay-to-keep-dion-waiters/

I can't stop lauging. I hope this is not true.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 02, 2017, 05:37:29 AM
Lakers interested in Dion Waiters.

http://heatnation.com/rumors/miami-heat-rumors-heat-not-willing-to-overpay-to-keep-dion-waiters/

I can't stop lauging. I hope this is not true.

This is just some Heat beat writer trolling Laker fans.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 02, 2017, 07:18:36 AM
Lakers interested in Dion Waiters.

http://heatnation.com/rumors/miami-heat-rumors-heat-not-willing-to-overpay-to-keep-dion-waiters/

I can't stop lauging. I hope this is not true.

This is just some Heat beat writer trolling Laker fans.

" L.A.’s General Manager Rob Pelinka is Waiters’ ex-agent. The relationship these two have gives the Lakers an edge if they’re truly interested in Waiters. However, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports L.A. may not be ready to cash out for free agents this summer."


https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/06/01/lakers-rumors-dion-waiters-a-free-agency-option-for-lakers/

Also, if the Lakers are going to get Paul George in the future. Then why get waiters?

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 02, 2017, 08:48:27 AM
I heard this on EPSN but back when the Lakers were trying to trade Kobe to Chicago in 2007, you know what stopped the trade? Luol Deng.

As the story goes, Kobe had veto power and if Deng was included in the trade, Kobe would not have it because he wanted Deng to stay in Chicago so he could have talent to play with if he were traded there.

Maybe that's why Mitch and Jim wanted Deng as a free agent so badly, because Kobe stopped them from getting him 9 years ago. :)

http://www.espn.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Deng_Bryant

http://www.blogabull.com/2016/4/13/11421692/kobe-bryant-trade-chicago-bulls-luol-deng
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 02, 2017, 08:51:01 AM
shirt is not even fitted.. no thanks.

Stop bragging young fella!!!

As you get older... the looser the shirts get. :)
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 02, 2017, 09:17:48 AM
I heard this on EPSN but back when the Lakers were trying to trade Kobe to Chicago in 2007, you know what stopped the trade? Luol Deng.

As the story goes, Kobe had veto power and if Deng was included in the trade, Kobe would not have it because he wanted Deng to stay in Chicago so he could have talent to play with if he were traded there.

Maybe that's why Mitch and Jim wanted Deng as a free agent so badly, because Kobe stopped them from getting him 9 years ago. :)

http://www.espn.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Deng_Bryant

http://www.blogabull.com/2016/4/13/11421692/kobe-bryant-trade-chicago-bulls-luol-deng

I heard from Magic on this one. He told the reporter that it was actually the Bulls who didn't want to include Deng so no deal. Funny
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 04, 2017, 08:26:14 PM

Derek Fisher arrested on suspicion of drunken driving

"Derek Fisher was arrested Sunday on suspicion of drunken driving after the former NBA player and coach flipped his vehicle on a California freeway.

Fisher and his passenger, girlfriend and former "Basketball Wives" reality star Gloria Govan, were not injured in the early morning crash, the California Highway Patrol said."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/lakers-player-derek-fisher-accused-dui-crash-47828830

I say use Uber or Lyft
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 05, 2017, 03:42:10 PM
https://streamable.com/tjoce

good stuff!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 05, 2017, 04:05:59 PM
https://streamable.com/tjoce

good stuff!

Whats that
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 05, 2017, 04:06:53 PM
https://streamable.com/tjoce

good stuff!

Whats that

commercial with Kobe and Jalen to promote Jalen's new show. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 07, 2017, 03:56:54 PM
Josh Jackson is the only 2017 NBA draft pick who could survive in the Finals right now

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/6/15740310/josh-jackson-nba-draft-2017-lakers-76ers-defense-passing-finals


NBA Draft Rumors: Josh Jackson has ‘strong support’ in the Lakers’ organization because of his defense

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/6/7/15759702/nba-draft-rumors-josh-jackson-la-lakers-defense-news-stats-draft-express-rankings
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 07, 2017, 09:13:26 PM
Lebron is great but not being able to take any of those fools one on one down the stretch is a big blow. Wow
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 07, 2017, 09:31:23 PM
Lebron is great but not being able to take any of those fools one on one down the stretch is a big blow. Wow

Lakers need defense
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 13, 2017, 12:02:23 PM
"Jackson is the one forward who is in the mix with the Lakers for this draft pick and is widely viewed as the best two-way player in the draft."

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-draft-news-l-a-bringing-in-josh-jackson-for-second-workout/2017/06/13/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 16, 2017, 11:41:04 AM
Trade the #2 for #4 and a 2018 pick?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-lakers-reportedly-considering-trading-away-no-2-pick-to-suns-or-kings/

Quote
While the Lakers are reportedly interested in taking Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson with their pick, ESPN's Chad Ford reports that the team might trade the No. 2 pick.

The Lakers held internal discussions about trading back two spots to No. 4 if the Suns were to offer them a 2018 first-round pick. ... The Lakers believe that Ball or Jackson might be available at the No. 4 spot. If not, the Lakers are still very high on [De'Aaron] Fox and [Jayson] Tatum, and believe that securing an additional prospect might be worth dropping two spots in the draft.

The Suns aren't the only potential trade partner. The Lakers are also reportedly exploring a deal with the Kings to get two picks in this year's draft. From Ford:

The Kings are another potential trade partner for the Lakers. They hold the rights to the fifth and 10th picks and have discussed moving up in this year's draft.

Sacramento is reportedly sold on Fox and might be willing to move up to get him. Should the Lakers choose to fall back, they could potentially pick up two quality players since this is considered an extremely deep draft.

Phoenix probably won't take Lonzo but Philly might... is it worth it if they end up with Fox or Tatum?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: best_potsticker_in_town on June 16, 2017, 09:03:01 PM
Say what you will about LaVar, but this would indicate he did an above average job raising his kids: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/lonzo-ball-lavar-fathers-day-to-the-loudest-guy-in-the-gym/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 18, 2017, 03:22:18 PM
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/06/18/report-paul-george-tells-pacers-hes-planning-on-leaving-in-2018-wants-to-join-lakers/

This is also going to be the most anticipated draft since the Lebron draft.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on June 19, 2017, 03:25:15 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 19, 2017, 04:09:12 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

CAVs are going after butler.  This one makes more sense.

Not sure what the clips will do.. now with Jerry West at the helm!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 19, 2017, 04:14:13 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

CAVs are going after butler.  This one makes more sense.

Not sure what the clips will do.. now with Jerry West at the helm!

Sign and trade Blake?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 19, 2017, 04:17:28 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

CAVs are going after butler.  This one makes more sense.

Not sure what the clips will do.. now with Jerry West at the helm!

Sign and trade Blake?

Klove to clips.. Blake to Cavs?  Would be great for Cle.. the clippers would be worse.  lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 19, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

CAVs are going after butler.  This one makes more sense.

Not sure what the clips will do.. now with Jerry West at the helm!

Sign and trade Blake?

Klove to clips.. Blake to Cavs?  Would be great for Cle.. the clippers would be worse.  lol

Blake and cp3 can walk, right? So the clips should get something..
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 19, 2017, 04:25:21 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

CAVs are going after butler.  This one makes more sense.

Not sure what the clips will do.. now with Jerry West at the helm!

Sign and trade Blake?

Klove to clips.. Blake to Cavs?  Would be great for Cle.. the clippers would be worse.  lol

Blake and cp3 can walk, right? So the clips should get something..

indeed.. not sure what their plans are.  Obviously, a lot of money to walk away from. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 19, 2017, 04:31:15 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

CAVs are going after butler.  This one makes more sense.

Not sure what the clips will do.. now with Jerry West at the helm!

Also, I heard the Suns are looking to land Butler.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 19, 2017, 04:35:27 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

Nah. The Lakers are not competing for a championship next season. There's no reason to trade anything of serious value today for PG, unless it benefits the long term plan. If they intend to draft a guard (Fox, Ball), then maybe you consider moving Clarkson for PG.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 19, 2017, 04:59:17 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

Nah. The Lakers are not competing for a championship next season. There's no reason to trade anything of serious value today for PG, unless it benefits the long term plan. If they intend to draft a guard (Fox, Ball), then maybe you consider moving Clarkson for PG.

Deng and Oz or no deal. Lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 19, 2017, 05:16:34 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

CAVs are going after butler.  This one makes more sense.

Not sure what the clips will do.. now with Jerry West at the helm!

Sign and trade Blake?

Klove to clips.. Blake to Cavs?  Would be great for Cle.. the clippers would be worse.  lol

If I'm the Clips, I'd do the Klove for Blake trade in a heartbeat.  He's a much better fit for the team.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on June 19, 2017, 06:19:21 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

CAVs are going after butler.  This one makes more sense.

Not sure what the clips will do.. now with Jerry West at the helm!

Sign and trade Blake?

Klove to clips.. Blake to Cavs?  Would be great for Cle.. the clippers would be worse.  lol

If I'm the Clips, I'd do the Klove for Blake trade in a heartbeat.  He's a much better fit for the team.

Yeah, the Clippers could use another shooter.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 19, 2017, 07:53:12 PM
They were talking about Russel for George to keep him away from the Cavs and Clippers.  I'd do that trade.

CAVs are going after butler.  This one makes more sense.

Not sure what the clips will do.. now with Jerry West at the helm!

Sign and trade Blake?

Klove to clips.. Blake to Cavs?  Would be great for Cle.. the clippers would be worse.  lol

If I'm the Clips, I'd do the Klove for Blake trade in a heartbeat.  He's a much better fit for the team.

Yeah, the Clippers could use another shooter.

Clips should focus signing cp3 and Blake. If not, they might be in a worst spot than the Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: paydawg on June 20, 2017, 01:50:10 PM
Lakers pushing hard to get Paul George in a trade before the deadline.  Hope they get rid of Randle and not Russell. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 20, 2017, 02:04:04 PM
Lakers pushing hard to get Paul George in a trade before the deadline.  Hope they get rid of Randle and not Russell.

George and Russell's agent want them to play together.

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-paul-georges-agent-wants-l-a-to-keep-dangelo-russell-julius-randle/2017/06/20/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 20, 2017, 02:09:05 PM
http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-lebron-james-wife-savannah-would-like-to-live-in-l-a-full-time/2017/06/20/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on June 20, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
mozgov is gone, but so is russell for b. lopez and 27th pick supposedly
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 03:17:54 PM
mozgov is gone, but so is russell for b. lopez and 27th pick supposedly

huh?  where are you hearing this?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on June 20, 2017, 03:18:42 PM
mozgov is gone, but so is russell for b. lopez and 27th pick supposedly

huh?  where are you hearing this?

watching espn right now, also on bleacher report
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 20, 2017, 03:19:39 PM
mozgov is gone, but so is russell for b. lopez and 27th pick supposedly

Would Jerry West made that trade probably not.

This is a joke. Big time
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 03:20:27 PM
mozgov is gone, but so is russell for b. lopez and 27th pick supposedly

huh?  where are you hearing this?

watching espn right now, also on bleacher report

wow just saw on twitter
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 03:24:30 PM
mozgov is gone, but so is russell for b. lopez and 27th pick supposedly

Would Jerry West made that trade probably not.

This is a joke. Big time

I'd say it's a so so trade.  Bad side.. we lose Deangelo .  Plus side, added another pick.. upgraded Mosgov.. and set the stage for a big summer next year.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on June 20, 2017, 03:32:24 PM
Biggest mistake that lakers didn't do this off season is go after Jerry West
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 03:35:49 PM
Biggest mistake that lakers didn't do this off season is go after Jerry West

I heard he was brought in to get Lebron.  wow.. if he does that then he is the king of basketball moves.

Lakers are going to be set next year.. still missing one piece though. 

F - Ingram
F - Randle
C - Zubac/Lopez if he stays
G - PG
G - Ball

I hope we can move randle for someone else.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 20, 2017, 03:38:30 PM
mozgov is gone, but so is russell for b. lopez and 27th pick supposedly

Would Jerry West made that trade probably not.

This is a joke. Big time

I'd say it's a so so trade.  Bad side.. we lose Deangelo .  Plus side, added another pick.. upgraded Mosgov.. and set the stage for a big summer next year.

So so is not good enough.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 04:16:55 PM
mozgov is gone, but so is russell for b. lopez and 27th pick supposedly

Would Jerry West made that trade probably not.

This is a joke. Big time

I'd say it's a so so trade.  Bad side.. we lose Deangelo .  Plus side, added another pick.. upgraded Mosgov.. and set the stage for a big summer next year.

So so is not good enough.

it's not but better than awful.  As a team trying to get back to winning, you have to correct old mistakes.  Lakers made two.. now one is left.  Now picture this!

Ingram, Randle, Boogie, PG, Ball.   woweeeee!  Again, i hope we can move randle. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 20, 2017, 04:29:23 PM
mozgov is gone, but so is russell for b. lopez and 27th pick supposedly

Would Jerry West made that trade probably not.

This is a joke. Big time

I'd say it's a so so trade.  Bad side.. we lose Deangelo .  Plus side, added another pick.. upgraded Mosgov.. and set the stage for a big summer next year.

So so is not good enough.

it's not but better than awful.  As a team trying to get back to winning, you have to correct old mistakes.  Lakers made two.. now one is left.  Now picture this!

Ingram, Randle, Boogie, PG, Ball.   woweeeee!  Again, i hope we can move randle.

Maybe I'm just use to getting the better end of the trade and great draft picks. (such as: Paul Gasol trade, Clarkson and Zunac 2nd round, Nance late first round pick)

I know I talked about Mitch previously, but I appreciated his talent to find value in the draft. This is a rumor that I heard and you may have heard also. The Lakers almost traded for Boogie before this past All-star game.

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 20, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
I hope this is not a sign of a train wreck. (I just heard the other Laker trade rumor)
Are they going to give up all their young talent?

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 20, 2017, 04:42:49 PM
I'm okay with this. Not excited, but I get it. My biggest beef is that you typically wait to salary dump til the absolute last minute (think Bogut). We're not competing for a championship next year, so dumping Moz' contract was not necessary at all today. Next year his salary would cost much less to dump, and then the year after that, his big expiring contract would actually have value.

Lakers can make this right by me by staying bold. Don't take the safe pick at # 2 Ball. I'll be very happy to have him considering this pick was more likely lost than kept a few weeks ago. But let's go with the extremely high upside of Fox.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 05:16:50 PM
I'm okay with this. Not excited, but I get it. My biggest beef is that you typically wait to salary dump til the absolute last minute (think Bogut). We're not competing for a championship next year, so dumping Moz' contract was not necessary at all today. Next year his salary would cost much less to dump, and then the year after that, his big expiring contract would actually have value.

Lakers can make this right by me by staying bold. Don't take the safe pick at # 2 Ball. I'll be very happy to have him considering this pick was more likely lost than kept a few weeks ago. But let's go with the extremely high upside of Fox.

I'm good with either guy.

Ball fits better with Magic's vision though.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 05:23:55 PM
http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-l-a-offering-two-first-round-picks-randle-or-clarkson-for-paul-george/2017/06/20/
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 06:12:41 PM
D12 to bobcats. Lol.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 20, 2017, 06:46:27 PM
Trade the Laker's 2nd pick for Sac's pick at 5 & 10.

Would you do this trade?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 07:05:12 PM
Trade the Laker's 2nd pick for Sac's pick at 5 & 10.

Would you do this trade?

Sac rebuffed
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 20, 2017, 08:06:38 PM
Trade the Laker's 2nd pick for Sac's pick at 5 & 10.

Would you do this trade?

I would, but qualified. e.g. We'll take Ball at # 2 and will trade him to you (Sac) if Fox is available at # 5. You take Fox, and we'll complete the trade, Ball for Fox + # 10 pick. I'd even throw in a sweetener like Clarkson or Nance.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on June 20, 2017, 08:25:05 PM
Trade the Laker's 2nd pick for Sac's pick at 5 & 10.

Would you do this trade?

Sac rebuffed
Probably still reeling over what happened to boogie, lol
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 20, 2017, 08:48:48 PM
Trade the Laker's 2nd pick for Sac's pick at 5 & 10.

Would you do this trade?

Sac rebuffed
Probably still reeling over what happened to boogie, lol

Boogie would put us in the elite category with PG.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 21, 2017, 07:50:07 AM
So Nick Young is still a Laker and D'Angelo is not?

Is the wedding back on?
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 21, 2017, 06:02:24 PM
So Nick Young is still a Laker and D'Angelo is not?

Is the wedding back on?

Shaggy P aka Nick Young declined a player option. He will become a FA on July 1.

 :D
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 22, 2017, 06:48:58 AM
My Dream Scenario today: The Lakers resist the safe pick, Ball, and go for the higher upside player Fox. Then, players the Pacers really like are available at 27 and 28, the Lakers select them at the Pacers' direction, and complete a trade for PG13 with these late first rounders + a throw-in player (not BI nor the # 2).

Most Likely Scenario (and still great for the Lakers): They select Ball, discounting his terrible defense, slow feet, poor pick-and-roll offense, and fugly shooting form. The Lakers then select a 3-shooter (Lyden?) and a combo-guard (Frank Jackson?), or a 3-and-D wing (Iwundu?). I'll happily roll with this.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 22, 2017, 07:02:02 AM
I wonder if PG13 is trolling the Lakers.

He isn't the first player to say he preferred to be a Laker (did he actually say that or was it his agent?).

Lavar "spoke it into existence", Lonzo will be a Laker... let's just hope he lives up to Laker fans' lofty expectations.

I wonder how DLo will do in Brooklyn... I'm not sure he will mature any faster there.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 09:28:28 AM
I wonder if PG13 is trolling the Lakers.

He isn't the first player to say he preferred to be a Laker (did he actually say that or was it his agent?).

Lavar "spoke it into existence", Lonzo will be a Laker... let's just hope he lives up to Laker fans' lofty expectations.

I wonder how DLo will do in Brooklyn... I'm not sure he will mature any faster there.

he'll never go public and say it but all the signs are there.. esp with kobe and his connection to LA.  It's no secret.  Boogie has also expressed this through his agent.. but that was last year.  things change.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 22, 2017, 12:06:36 PM
I think we're going ball and I don't think we're getting the pg13 deal before the offseason

We would have to be able to combine the 27 + 28 + asset and hope we can move up into the 14-20 spot and hope that's enough to dangle for pg13

I would assume our best offer would be randle + higher pick for pg13 which I don't think Pacers say yes to.  The only deal they'd do is Clarkson + randle + higher pick at a minimum + future picks. 

Sucks that we're gutting the core to add a guy who has been vocal about joining us in the offseason (telling teams he's a 6 month rental)...but magic and pelinka are new and they want to make a splash quickly to make their mark.  I think magic truly believes as long as he has cap space, he has the power to sign 2 max marquee free agents.  I hope he's right.  I expect Deng to be gone soon (probably dangling Clarkson as we speak now)... if he get nothing in free agency, lakers will be bottom dwellers for a long time....but if magic can get it done, westbrook/LeBron/paul George etc could be his end game. 
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 22, 2017, 12:29:57 PM
I think we're going ball and I don't think we're getting the pg13 deal before the offseason

We would have to be able to combine the 27 + 28 + asset and hope we can move up into the 14-20 spot and hope that's enough to dangle for pg13

I would assume our best offer would be randle + higher pick for pg13 which I don't think Pacers say yes to.  The only deal they'd do is Clarkson + randle + higher pick at a minimum + future picks. 

Sucks that we're gutting the core to add a guy who has been vocal about joining us in the offseason (telling teams he's a 6 month rental)...but magic and pelinka are new and they want to make a splash quickly to make their mark.  I think magic truly believes as long as he has cap space, he has the power to sign 2 max marquee free agents.  I hope he's right.  I expect Deng to be gone soon (probably dangling Clarkson as we speak now)... if he get nothing in free agency, lakers will be bottom dwellers for a long time....but if magic can get it done, westbrook/LeBron/paul George etc could be his end game.

Fair enough, but I think you're basing this trade scenario on PG13's value as a perennial All Star who's 27 years old, and discounting too deeply the fact that his trade value is severely hurt by the Pacers' lack of much leverage, and it's declining by the day.

Letting him walk after next season for nothing in return isn't the worst outcome for the Pacers. However, this keeps the entire season one big question about the Pacers' future, and they'll continue to win games with him. They should evaluate the market and trade him before the season starts. This allows them to start over, and LOSE games next year improving their position to draft high.

Just don't do anything stupid Pacers, like accepting two late first rounders, Randle AND Deng's contract for PG13.

If you're not the Lakers, how much do you offer for PG13? Not much at all.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 12:40:39 PM
I think we're going ball and I don't think we're getting the pg13 deal before the offseason

We would have to be able to combine the 27 + 28 + asset and hope we can move up into the 14-20 spot and hope that's enough to dangle for pg13

I would assume our best offer would be randle + higher pick for pg13 which I don't think Pacers say yes to.  The only deal they'd do is Clarkson + randle + higher pick at a minimum + future picks. 

Sucks that we're gutting the core to add a guy who has been vocal about joining us in the offseason (telling teams he's a 6 month rental)...but magic and pelinka are new and they want to make a splash quickly to make their mark.  I think magic truly believes as long as he has cap space, he has the power to sign 2 max marquee free agents.  I hope he's right.  I expect Deng to be gone soon (probably dangling Clarkson as we speak now)... if he get nothing in free agency, lakers will be bottom dwellers for a long time....but if magic can get it done, westbrook/LeBron/paul George etc could be his end game.

Getting PG is no sure thing.. you still have a chance he goes to a winning team and he decides to stay.. also you have competition from the Clips.. legit competition.  PG was a clips fan in HS I believe. 

Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: AW on June 22, 2017, 01:58:02 PM
Hmm. PG + LBJ in LA (clips that is) sounds like it's possible now
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 02:03:15 PM
Hmm. PG + LBJ in LA (clips that is) sounds like it's possible now

indeed.. that's why the Lakers need to do what they gotta do now.  I get not giving up ingram or the #2.. but everything else should be on the table.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 22, 2017, 02:13:15 PM
Hmm. PG + LBJ in LA (clips that is) sounds like it's possible now

indeed.. that's why the Lakers need to do what they gotta do now.  I get not giving up ingram or the #2.. but everything else should be on the table.

Insanity. Hold firm on a reasonable offer for PG13 given the circumstances, and let the Pacers find him a landing spot for him, or not. They have little to no leverage to force the # 2 pick or BI from our hands.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 03:03:36 PM
Hmm. PG + LBJ in LA (clips that is) sounds like it's possible now

indeed.. that's why the Lakers need to do what they gotta do now.  I get not giving up ingram or the #2.. but everything else should be on the table.

Insanity. Hold firm on a reasonable offer for PG13 given the circumstances, and let the Pacers find him a landing spot for him, or not. They have little to no leverage to force the # 2 pick or BI from our hands.

Nobody said Ingram or the pick.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 22, 2017, 03:06:33 PM
Hmm. PG + LBJ in LA (clips that is) sounds like it's possible now

indeed.. that's why the Lakers need to do what they gotta do now.  I get not giving up ingram or the #2.. but everything else should be on the table.

Insanity. Hold firm on a reasonable offer for PG13 given the circumstances, and let the Pacers find him a landing spot for him, or not. They have little to no leverage to force the # 2 pick or BI from our hands.

Nobody said Ingram or the pick.

Read it again - my mistake. Apologies. Can you tell I'm scared Magic might actually panic and do this?!? The DLo trade seemed a bit premature and desperate. So hearing the Lakers will be trading the # 2 pick tonight for PG13 is a remote possibility. I will throw something at my TV if this occurs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 03:21:36 PM
Hmm. PG + LBJ in LA (clips that is) sounds like it's possible now

indeed.. that's why the Lakers need to do what they gotta do now.  I get not giving up ingram or the #2.. but everything else should be on the table.

Insanity. Hold firm on a reasonable offer for PG13 given the circumstances, and let the Pacers find him a landing spot for him, or not. They have little to no leverage to force the # 2 pick or BI from our hands.

Nobody said Ingram or the pick.

Read it again - my mistake. Apologies. Can you tell I'm scared Magic might actually panic and do this?!? The DLo trade seemed a bit premature and desperate. So hearing the Lakers will be trading the # 2 pick tonight for PG13 is a remote possibility. I will throw something at my TV if this occurs.

Lol. Yeah no worries. I don't think Rob is an idiot so they can at least check each other. Shedding Mosgov gives them more room to make another move.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 22, 2017, 04:51:05 PM
Jimmy Butler Traded to Minnesota.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 22, 2017, 04:51:47 PM
Ball to the Lakers
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 22, 2017, 04:54:36 PM
Jimmy Butler Traded to Minnesota.

Zach Lavine and Dunn plus the 7th pick to the Bulls for Butler.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 04:57:03 PM
Pacers and Celtics talking George. It's like KG all-over again.  Former Celtics screwing Lakers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 22, 2017, 04:58:35 PM
Pacers and Celtics talking George. It's like KG all-over again.  Former Celtics screwing Lakers.

I previously mention Danny knows how to deal.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 05:04:05 PM
The rivalry is real. Watch they get pg for crumbs.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 22, 2017, 05:34:55 PM
Pacers and Celtics talking George. It's like KG all-over again.  Former Celtics screwing Lakers.

It would be epic for the Celts to give up a ton for PG13, only to see him walk at the end of next season to the Lakers. This is the preferred scenario!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 05:44:03 PM
Pacers and Celtics talking George. It's like KG all-over again.  Former Celtics screwing Lakers.

It would be epic for the Celts to give up a ton for PG13, only to see him walk at the end of next season to the Lakers. This is the preferred scenario!

Dude he might stay. Laker fans too confident right now. Goes to Boston and makes all NBA. He won't walk away from extra 50M.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 06:09:26 PM
Talks have stalled for now.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 22, 2017, 07:42:56 PM
Lakers trading 28 for 30 and 42 pick.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 08:32:07 PM
good draft
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 22, 2017, 09:22:39 PM
It'll be fun watching the young Lakers runnin' like the Showtime era, with Ball orchestrating everything. Ball can't be any worse than DLo was on D. Nick Young opted-out, so the starting Laker backcourt will be new. I wonder if they think Josh Hart can play the 2. Hart seems like one of those solid Spur-type picks.

Kuzma was much higher on some mocks. Might be a good value pick. I was hoping for Jordan Bell, but the Warriors jumped on him. Bell seems like a better version of Tarik Black.

In any event, the big deal is Ball at # 2. He'll make every Laker's life so much easier. They'll love him. I remember Josh Jackson winning the McDonald's All American MVP, and giving all of the credit to Ball for his insane passing. It'll be exciting basketball, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 22, 2017, 09:26:26 PM
It'll be fun watching the young Lakers runnin' like the Showtime era, with Ball orchestrating everything. Ball can't be any worse than DLo was on D. Nick Young opted-out, so the starting Laker backcourt will be new. I wonder if they think Josh Hart can play the 2. Hart seems like one of those solid Spur-type picks.

Kuzma was much higher on some mocks. Might be a good value pick. I was hoping for Jordan Bell, but the Warriors jumped on him. Bell seems like a better version of Tarik Black.

In any event, the big deal is Ball at # 2. He'll make every Laker's life so much easier. They'll love him. I remember Josh Jackson winning the McDonald's All American MVP, and giving all of the credit to Ball for his insane passing. It'll be exciting basketball, if nothing else.

I think Hart is a 2. Just need PG now!
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: Perspective on June 23, 2017, 06:06:07 AM
It's hard to imagine the Lakers having the assets, with which they're willing to part, to trade for PG13, considering they've reportedly declined offers featuring Kevin Love and LeMarcus Aldridge. Love is a legit All Star and in his prime.

I get the disinterest in Aldridge at 32. He's perpetually disgruntled, on the downside of his career arc, shoots primarily low-value mid-range 2s, and isn't an effective rim protector. He can also opt-out of his contract after next season.

Maybe they're holding out for Ball and think the Lakers will fold? This becomes less likely by the day, as Ball begins training with the Lakers, if it were remotely on the table pre-draft.

The Bulls got some spare change for Butler, and his contract extends beyond next season! This must make the low-ball offers for PG13 seem more palatable to the Pacers.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 23, 2017, 06:14:35 AM
It's hard to imagine the Lakers having the assets, with which they're willing to part, to trade for PG13, considering they've reportedly declined offers featuring Kevin Love and LeMarcus Aldridge. Love is a legit All Star and in his prime.

I get the disinterest in Aldridge at 32. He's perpetually disgruntled, on the downside of his career arc, shoots primarily low-value mid-range 2s, and isn't an effective rim protector. He can also opt-out of his contract after next season.

Maybe they're holding out for Ball and think the Lakers will fold? This becomes less likely by the day, as Ball begins training with the Lakers, if it were remotely on the table pre-draft.

The Bulls got some spare change for Butler, and his contract extends beyond next season! This must make the low-ball offers for PG13 seem more palatable to the Pacers.

Thinking back when kobe wanted the trade. We wanted to gut the bulls but they didn't want to give up Deng. We said fine... Made kobe just play it out. If I were the pacers, I wouldn't do a thing. That's just me.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 23, 2017, 10:08:35 AM
Not sure if legit but ESPN got word from a Boston sports outlet that Celtics closer on pg deal with extension in place. If true this is why you can't be too confident pg is coming no matter what.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 23, 2017, 10:56:10 AM
I would put Clarkson at the starting 2. Josh Hart needs time to develop.

Ball - Clarkson - Ingram - Randle - Lopez

The one thing about PG13 to the Lakers is that you may stymie Ingram's development. You would have to move on one of them to the 2.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: eyephone on June 23, 2017, 11:03:36 AM
Not sure if legit but ESPN got word from a Boston sports outlet that Celtics closer on pg deal with extension in place. If true this is why you can't be too confident pg is coming no matter what.

Possibly Cousins or Westbrook might be available next year with James.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: jmoney74 on June 23, 2017, 11:33:48 AM
Not sure if legit but ESPN got word from a Boston sports outlet that Celtics closer on pg deal with extension in place. If true this is why you can't be too confident pg is coming no matter what.

Possibly Cousins or Westbrook might be available next year with James.

I think LBJ would rather go to CLIPs than Lakers.. because of Jerry West and the fact that he can make something of the clips.  I don't want Westbrook here. 

I don't think PG would hinder INgram's development.. since PG is a #2 type guy anyway.  Plus, we have ball running the show now.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 23, 2017, 02:16:42 PM
I don't think PG would hinder INgram's development.. since PG is a #2 type guy anyway.  Plus, we have ball running the show now.

Even if they don't play the same position, there is only ONE ball (well... not counting Lonzo), so PG will take stats away from Ingram.

It's called The Kobe Effect, unless PG is going to defer, Ingram can't become an offensive weapon. This is why KD left Westbrook... and why he can play with Steph.
Title: Re: Lakers News
Post by: SoclosetoIrvine on June 23, 2017, 05:17:44 PM
I don't think PG would hinder INgram'