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« Reply #2565 on: June 30, 2020, 07:31:20 PM »
I mean this BLM protest should have given us new 100,000 cases in Hollywood alone, right? Where are all those numbers? They all went to Riverside and Texas ICU?



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« Reply #2566 on: June 30, 2020, 08:28:57 PM »
You sure that isn't the line for Costco?

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« Reply #2567 on: June 30, 2020, 08:50:02 PM »
I mean this BLM protest should have given us new 100,000 cases in Hollywood alone, right? Where are all those numbers? They all went to Riverside and Texas ICU?



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« Reply #2568 on: June 30, 2020, 09:39:57 PM »
I mean this BLM protest should have given us new 100,000 cases in Hollywood alone, right? Where are all those numbers? They all went to Riverside and Texas ICU?



source: https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/hollywood-protest-sunday/

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« Reply #2569 on: June 30, 2020, 11:17:22 PM »
Perhaps our resident medical folks can chime in on this, or IHO :-)

I just read an article on CNBC about the Texas governor delaying elective surgeries in 8 counties to ensure they have beds for covid patients. I know pretty much everyone did that back in March, etc.

What is the rationale for essentially giving covid patients priority over the elective surgeries. They say it’s elective but in some cases these things can become life threatening. For example what it the elective surgery is cancer related and they postpone and it ends up spreading faster than expected and the person dies. What is the basis of prioritizing the yet to arrive covid patient?  Is logistics (lead time prepping the hospital) or is just that a covid patient can deteriorate quicker than the cancer patient?

Thanks in advance.

Elective surgery by definition is a surgery you choose to have for a better quality of life, but not for a life-threatening condition.

In a cancer patient's case, it probably means that other non-surgical treatment options are available to manage the cancer. If the patient's condition changed/evolved to a point where not having a surgical procedure becomes life threatening, then it's no longer considered an elective procedure.

Hospitals still prioritize & perform urgent or emergency surgeries despite COVID-19.

So everyone who couldn't get "elective" procedures didn't get them, didn't go for routine doctor visits, avoided going to the ER, etc. Health care workers got laid off that weren't in the coronavirus areas due to lack of work.

I myself couldn't get my mammogram and waited to get my crown repaired.

So when the hospitals were given the OK to restart elective procedures what happened? They along with the surge coronavirus cases are using the hospital now...….. less beds because there was a huge backup of "elective" things.

I have to get a colonoscopy but I bet by the time my appointment gets here, we'll be shut down for that again.

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« Reply #2570 on: July 01, 2020, 12:05:00 AM »

So everyone who couldn't get "elective" procedures didn't get them, didn't go for routine doctor visits, avoided going to the ER, etc. Health care workers got laid off that weren't in the coronavirus areas due to lack of work.

I myself couldn't get my mammogram and waited to get my crown repaired.

So when the hospitals were given the OK to restart elective procedures what happened? They along with the surge coronavirus cases are using the hospital now...….. less beds because there was a huge backup of "elective" things.

I have to get a colonoscopy but I bet by the time my appointment gets here, we'll be shut down for that again.

This is unfortunately going to be the new normal for awhile.

What people don't really comprehend is how quickly we will reach healthcare / hospital max capacity. I think the national avg for hospital beds per 1000 population is just below 2.5. California is even lower, a bit under 2 per 1000 population.

Before COVID-19, many hospitals across the US regularly operate with most of their beds taken by patients. This limits their ability to handle a sudden influx of folks sick with COVID-19. Nationally, only about 1 of every 3 U.S. hospital beds is empty on any given day before COVID-19. It's easy to complain about layoffs of healthcare workers, but hospitals need to make a profit to stay open. This is how capitalism works. And many hospitals were already struggling before the pandemic. This isn't just because of COVID-19.

The basic structure of the US healthcare system has only marginally changed since the 1950s. Our system is not built to handle a pandemic seamlessly. It's almost impossible for a system optimized for capital efficiency to all of a sudden make the self determination to handle a rapid surge in patient volume while managing across in-person and virtual care.

Policies on critical healthcare infrastructure, strategic reserves of key supplies, and contingency production facilities for critical medical equipment will need to be addressed after this pandemic is over.

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« Reply #2571 on: July 01, 2020, 06:26:23 AM »

So everyone who couldn't get "elective" procedures didn't get them, didn't go for routine doctor visits, avoided going to the ER, etc. Health care workers got laid off that weren't in the coronavirus areas due to lack of work.

I myself couldn't get my mammogram and waited to get my crown repaired.

So when the hospitals were given the OK to restart elective procedures what happened? They along with the surge coronavirus cases are using the hospital now...….. less beds because there was a huge backup of "elective" things.

I have to get a colonoscopy but I bet by the time my appointment gets here, we'll be shut down for that again.

This is unfortunately going to be the new normal for awhile.

What people don't really comprehend is how quickly we will reach healthcare / hospital max capacity. I think the national avg for hospital beds per 1000 population is just below 2.5. California is even lower, a bit under 2 per 1000 population.

Before COVID-19, many hospitals across the US regularly operate with most of their beds taken by patients. This limits their ability to handle a sudden influx of folks sick with COVID-19. Nationally, only about 1 of every 3 U.S. hospital beds is empty on any given day before COVID-19. It's easy to complain about layoffs of healthcare workers, but hospitals need to make a profit to stay open. This is how capitalism works. And many hospitals were already struggling before the pandemic. This isn't just because of COVID-19.

The basic structure of the US healthcare system has only marginally changed since the 1950s. Our system is not built to handle a pandemic seamlessly. It's almost impossible for a system optimized for capital efficiency to all of a sudden make the self determination to handle a rapid surge in patient volume while managing across in-person and virtual care.

Policies on critical healthcare infrastructure, strategic reserves of key supplies, and contingency production facilities for critical medical equipment will need to be addressed after this pandemic is over.

But when will it be over? After Biden is elected? What if Trump is elected again?

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« Reply #2572 on: July 01, 2020, 06:46:33 AM »
I mean this BLM protest should have given us new 100,000 cases in Hollywood alone, right? Where are all those numbers? They all went to Riverside and Texas ICU?



source: https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/hollywood-protest-sunday/

I should call you Meqwerty.

Do you see how bad LA is doing? Over half the deaths in California and rising.

I'm sure you already know, but LA has the most population in CA. 3,979,576 as of 2019's record. It's not surprising to have anything bigger than other cities.

The fact protesters didn't follow social distancing/suggested state's guidelines and yet we don't see as much expected rising cases should make you want to question at least, don't you think? It's not just CA. It's nationwide we're seeing this. You can't just say C-19 is rising again just because we've been reopening too soon. It's a valid concern, but please have the same level of concern with the fact BLM protest didn't produce as much as expected cases either.

That has been my original question also if you go back and see my question to you. Is it really because we opened businesses too soon?

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« Reply #2573 on: July 01, 2020, 06:57:55 AM »
@Mety: It’s both.

You didn’t read my post where I responded to King’s post about the protest “study”.
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« Reply #2574 on: July 01, 2020, 06:58:43 AM »
Newsom planning to announce more guidelines today.

Ventura County also closing beaches.
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« Reply #2575 on: July 01, 2020, 07:00:47 AM »
So 2 schools...I was referencing a different IUSD school. 

This was more afterschool care/camp at an IUSD school, not sure what they would do during actual classes. I'm sure if you called the health department they'd give you more info if allowed.  I'm just letting you know it's closer than you think if you have kids, its bound to spread in school.

So it was NOT one of public schools. Your initial post sounded like C-19 broke out from one of public elementary schools or something. That's why I asked you since you sounded more informed about it than me.

I'm not and never has been against protecting kids' health. I'm just questioning for accuracy. One word could mean millions of things if not addressed correctly. 

It was at the Rainbow Rising at Beacon Park Elementary.

I also heard it was another school but also in the Great Park Neighborhoods.  Exorbitant mello roos, toxic land, cemetery, threat of homeless camps, and now corona schools.

While I do agree GP has some ridiculous MR and rumors all the time, I need to be cautious of what to believe though. Based on some of you guys' posts, there are so far 2 cases in Irvine schools, Beacon Park Elementary being one of them (not for regular public schools hours). But how accurate is the information? Is it just word on the street? Remember last time there was a rumor when C-19 was at the beginning stage that IVC had a student and a family who had the disease and later got debunked to be fake news?

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« Reply #2576 on: July 01, 2020, 07:02:36 AM »
@Mety: It’s both.

You didn’t read my post where I responded to King’s post about the protest “study”.

It's both what? You're still not addressing the fact such crowded BLM protesters didn't end up with getting C-19.

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« Reply #2577 on: July 01, 2020, 07:14:51 AM »
@Mety: It’s both.

You didn’t read my post where I responded to King’s post about the protest “study”.

It's both what? You're still not addressing the fact such crowded BLM protesters didn't end up with getting C-19.

How do you know they didn’t? LA county has only 1/4 the population yet almost half the cases and over half the deaths.

Just look at the trend lines and you will see how LA’s numbers have gone up since BLM and reopenings. The study that King posted may give you an idea of why protests didn’t result in as huge a surge because there were limiting factors that reduced spread for other portions of the population.

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« Reply #2578 on: July 01, 2020, 07:19:18 AM »
I mean this BLM protest should have given us new 100,000 cases in Hollywood alone, right? Where are all those numbers? They all went to Riverside and Texas ICU?



source: https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/hollywood-protest-sunday/

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« Reply #2579 on: July 01, 2020, 07:25:45 AM »
@Mety: It’s both.

You didn’t read my post where I responded to King’s post about the protest “study”.

It's both what? You're still not addressing the fact such crowded BLM protesters didn't end up with getting C-19.

I already told you. There is a risk to protest during a pandemic. Same thing doing drugs. There is a chance of over dosing.

 

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