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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #750 on: August 15, 2019, 10:20:16 PM »
Only air for extremists? The center of the party is being strangled by Smith.

Centrist's Dead-End: Hickenlooper Quits White House Bid

He warned that Democrats would lose if they embraced socialism, and he was booed when he raised that alarm at the California Democratic Convention. Asked about it again by NBC’s Savannah Guthrie, Hickenlooper embraced a centrism that, by comparison to his fellow candidates, made him a radical on the Detroit debate stage.

Defending capitalism and condemning socialism certainly made Hickenlooper look out of place.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/15/centrists_dead-end_hickenlooper_quits_white_house_bid__141023.amp.html

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #751 on: August 16, 2019, 05:57:21 AM »

Please enlighten me. Other than the nonsense "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", what is the conservative / market-based solution to Climate change? Homelessness? Job loss caused by AI/Automation ?


If pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is now considered "nonsense," the human race is doomed.

If our solution to combat climate change, technological job displacement, and homelessness is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" then you are absolutely right - the human race is doomed.
Climate change, homelessness, and technological job displacement has been with us since the dawn of humankind. Humanity has dealt with these issues over the ages through ingenuity and tenacity. So, no, I do not think climate change, homelessness, and technological advancement will be the end of the human race.

Correct.  The issues facing us right now will seem quaint in 100 years.

not if the world ends in [newly updated timeframe based on fear mongering] years.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #752 on: August 16, 2019, 07:54:46 AM »
The issues you mention fall into my localize and privatize suggestion.

Profit is an impetus for innovation and efficiency. Quality is not free.


I agree with that when it comes to issues other than climate change / homelessness. However, there is no profit motivation so solve climate change or homelessness.


Couldn't there be? This is where the smarter people come in.  Let's take homelessness because that's less ambiguous than "climate change" and is an issue for everyone.

Currently, there are non-profits that address issues like homelessness that provide meals, shelters, clothing etc. But what if we were to localize some tax to a city/county level that directly funds the homeless? It will take some "marketing" to pass such a measure but if people in Irvine will pay extra taxes to fund building improvements to schools, wouldn't they do that to address this issue? And it would have to be more than just temporary shelter, the program would have to be "bootstrap" re-education, it needs to have elements that would benefit not just the homeless but also the city, like a work program, mental awareness seminars, things that will enable them to progress.

But you have to find people and funding to make this work. I'm not sure why there isn't more of that... and maybe that's the "climate change" issue. Possibly, with much more funding from taxes and charitable contributions to make it worth people's "time", it would gain more traction. There are a multitude of things to try, create an initiative that churches can join together on. Target local businesses, etc. Maybe if there was some UBI program that had a requirement of volunteering for homeless programs. :)

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Automation is purely driven by profit. Don't get me wrong, automation is great for humanity. We just need to deal with the side effect of technological job displacement.

And that's what I keep saying. As smart as those people are who are working on AI, they would be smarter if they also worked on the other side of the equation that AI will affect. They shouldn't just be thinking about how to automate thing to replace humans, but what can humans do better than robots can so jobs are not lost.

I still think that even with robots, there is a way to retain workers so in tandem with automation, we get better service without displacing people. Since you are so pro-AI, don't you worry about how that would affect your other hot topic, homelessness?

I think these kiosks you see at fast food places is a good example of how automation really hasn't caused job loss but has made it more profitable for companies. So at Taco Bell, McDonald's and even Costco, I don't see less people working, I just see less people taking orders from customers. What this does is allow for more volume as they can put more people on the harder to automate tasks such as putting together the food, cleaning the tables, etc. This allows them to service more customers which increases profit (to cover the cost of the kiosks) and without losing jobs.

I'm sure people have thought of all this and the issue is execution, but that's why trying to fund these things at a Federal level will fail. It's too far away from the problem. What the Fed (or the next President) can do is instead of create taxes to address your issues, create laws that requires states/cities to address them. Instead of a Homeless Bill of Rights to protect homeless rights, require states/cities to create programs for them beyond what is currently being done.

Now, if you are still reading the IHO wall of text... let me utopian connect this. What about a "use tax" for companies that use automation to reduce jobs, where that money goes to funding homeless programs?

So your turn. What would you do? Or what is Yang going to do other than UBI?
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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #753 on: Yesterday at 12:13:11 PM »
I am doubling my donation and i am thinking of holding back my sons application to the Navel Academy to see if the Peace Academy may have room for him in their Safe Space hall......

Marianne Williamson unveils her plans for a Department of Peace with a 'Peace Academy' rival to West Point and orders to turn criminal justice to 'healing-oriented approaches'

Marianne Williamson unveiled her plan for a Department of Peace
The department would be overseen by the Secretary of Peace
It would include a Peace Academy, modeled after the military service academies
Williamson also wants to focus on 'healing-oriented approaches' in criminal justice reform
And she wants to study how elements of our food supply affect behavior
Williamson does not offer an estimate of how much the department would cost

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7376067/Marianne-Williamson-unveils-plans-Department-Peace.html

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #754 on: Yesterday at 01:14:57 PM »
Is Dingy Harry the Oracle...trying to fight Smith and prevent the total takeover of the Matrix?...we shall see...

EXCLUSIVE: Harry Reid: 'Of Course' Medicare for All and Decriminalizing Border Crossings Are Bad Ideas
"There are so many more important things to do," the former Senate majority leader said.

WASHINGTON — Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) isn’t happy that some of his party’s presidential candidates are pushing for Medicare for All and decriminalizing border crossings, two hot-button issues in the Democratic primary.

In a half-hour phone conversation with VICE News, Reid was blunt when asked if he thought supporting Medicare for All would be problematic in the 2020 general election.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywadgw/exclusive-harry-reid-of-course-medicare-for-all-and-decriminalizing-border-crossings-are-bad-ideas

 

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