ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 10 27.8%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 21 58.3%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Total voters
    36
Even 40 degrees will affect range and charge. Very few adopters expected that the range lies they were sold would get even worse…but that’s ok when you are saving the planet😂😂😂😂🦄🌈
 
Educated buyers should know what they are getting into, and will also know it doesn’t get to sub freezing temps in SoCal.

Does it hurt you to recycle? Your green signaling argument is so tired and worthless.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Should have went with the EV... once you go electric, you will understand... it's better than an ARM and solar. :)
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My guess is that my wife’s next car will probably be an electric. But since she just got a new one last summer it is probably 3-5 years away. I’m still holding out on Solar :)
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Educated buyers should know what they are getting into, and will also know it doesn’t get to sub freezing temps in SoCal.

Does it hurt you to recycle? Your green signaling argument is so tired and worthless.
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So you think all those chumps sitting in there frozen bricks are suckers who didn’t do their research? And no, I don’t recycle…that’s another scam. All of it ends up in the landfill anyway.😂😂😂🦄🌈
"Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent," Tyler Beard, who had been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook, Illinois Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon, told the news outlet. "And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday."
 
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qwerty said:
My guess is that my wife’s next car will probably be an electric. But since she just got a new one last summer it is probably 3-5 years away. I’m still holding out on Solar :)
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I wouldn't get solar anymore with Nem 3.0, breakeven takes a lot longer.
 
Commercial EVs selling well too:

electrek.co

What EV sales slump? Commercial EV deployments are soaring!

The latest numbers from CALSTART show commercial EV deployments surged in 2023, with e-van deployments growing more than 460%!
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Despite all the doom, gloom, and wishful thinking from the anti-EV crowd, the numbers paint a narrative of swift expansion in the commercial EV and ZEV (Zero-Emission Vehicle) markets. CALSTART’s latest figures reveal a remarkable 250% growth in the zero-emission heavy truck market.
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... and fleet managers will continue to buy electric vehicles as soon as they become available.

Why? Because fleet managers are focused on the bottom line costs of operating their fleets – and, regardless of their political leanings, EVs cost less to own and operate than comparable ICE models. Until that fact changes, converting whatever assets to they can to electric will remain a no-brainer.
 
morekaos said:
So you think all those chumps sitting in there frozen bricks are suckers who didn’t do their research? And no, I don’t recycle…that’s another scam. All of it ends up in the landfill anyway.😂😂😂🦄🌈
"Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent," Tyler Beard, who had been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook, Illinois Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon, told the news outlet. "And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday."
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More uneducated fear mongering from you.

These exceptions are not the rule... even ICE cars can "freeze" up and not start in sub-zero weather. DailyMail indeed.
 
I said it about VW…When you dictate impossibilities to the market….they always cheat…🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂🦄🌈

The Electric-Vehicle Cheating Scandal

A government rule makes them look nearly seven times as efficient as they are.

It’s hard to think of a worse environmental scandal in recent years than Volkswagen
‘s 2015 diesel-emissions cheating. The German automaker was rightly pursued by regulators, enforcement agencies and class-action lawyers.

When carmakers test gasoline-powered vehicles for compliance with the Transportation Department’s fuel-efficiency rules, they must use real values measured in a laboratory. By contrast, under an Energy Department rule, carmakers can arbitrarily multiply the efficiency of electric cars by 6.67. This means that although a 2022 Tesla Model Y tests at the equivalent of about 65 miles per gallon in a laboratory (roughly the same as a hybrid), it is counted as having an absurdly high compliance value of 430 mpg. That number has no basis in reality or law.

For exaggerating electric-car efficiency, the government rewards carmakers with compliance credits they can trade for cash. Economists estimate these credits could be worth billions: a vast cross-subsidy invented by bureaucrats and paid for by every person who buys a new gasoline-powered car.

Until recently, this subsidy was a Washington secret. Carmakers and regulators liked it that way. Regulators could announce what sounded like stringent targets, and carmakers would nod along, knowing they could comply by making electric cars with arbitrarily boosted compliance values. Consumers would unknowingly foot the bill.

The secret is out. After environmental groups pointed out the illegality of this charade, the Energy Department proposed eliminating the 6.67 multiplier for electric cars, recognizing that the number “lacks legal support” and has “no basis.”

Carmakers have panicked and asked the Biden administration to delay any return to legal or engineering reality. That is understandable. Without the multiplier, the Transportation Department’s proposed rules are completely unattainable. But workable rules don’t require government-created cheat codes. Carmakers should confront that problem head on.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-el...al-subsidy-rule-efficiency-falsehood-2798b4ab
 
qwerty said:
I did not read the article, but my wife looked at the 2024 iX and while they were in the 95K to 100K range they leased significantly better than the X5 which was in the low 80s. BMW was definitely supporting leases as the IX lease deals kept getting better throughout 2023.

So you have to take some of these numbers with a grain of salt. If they discount the cars enough they will move. I did like the frosted glass feature, I wish the X5 had that. We did like that iX drove like a regular car which was nice.

But in end we went with ICE.
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Agreed, BMW Financial Services are doing a lot of heavy lifting to move units. Same with Mercedes EQS if you check lease forum deals. It does make the growth feel a little bit juiced in my mind.

Having said that, people have been hacking BMW leases for decades so the concept of pushing certain cars via advertising or financing isn't exactly novel.
 
“this data doesn’t adjust for the age of the vehicles. Older gas-powered cars fail at a higher rate than the new ones and electric vehicles are obviously much more recent on average.”

statistical mumbo-jumbo, a two-year-old fleet versus the average age of the entire Ice fleet probably 5 to 10 years older makes the comparison meaningless.😂😂😂🦄🌈
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Haha... Toyota getting AI rolled on their "electrified" strategy:

Toyota's greenwashing AI 'eco-copilot' is fake, but the prank makes a real point

Prank group The Yes Men shine light on Toyota's greenwashing with a parody AI assistant that makes you feel better about its polluting cars.
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As much as I love Toyotas... they are really behind not just in their EVs but also their ICE tech.
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I’m not a tech guy/engineer so just out of curiosity what are they behind on? Their Hybrids I think deliver the highest mpg than all of the other car companies.
 
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