Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Warning: Possible Spoilers)

irvinehomeowner

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Okay, who watched this?

We didn't see it opening weekend to avoid the crowds but now that we have seen it, I have some issues with the movie.

Let me see if anyone can guess.

It's interesting, I think of the last 3 "new" Star Wars movies, I like Rogue One the most even though it's not part of the trilogies. Maybe it was because they were mostly new characters and the ending was unexpected.
 
Went Christmas day with my whole family.  Loved it. Lots of surprises and open ended situations.  Dark and mysterious like "Empire Strikes Back".  A wonderful transition movie that keeps you guessing on what will happen in the next movie.  Is Snoke done?  I think not.
 
Loved it, seen it 5 times already (thanks moviepass). Even better than The Force Awakens which was my previous favorite.
 
I haven't seen it yet, but it seems to be a very polarizing movie.  Personally, I don't expect to like it.  The slapstick comedy is not something I want mixed with my fantasy, and I don't like Guardians of the Galaxy or Thor 3.  I've heard this movie has a similar style.

On a related note, Disney has recently been in the news for blackballing movie critics that don't provide good reviews, preventing them from attending future screenings.  So it's interesting that critics have a 90-95% favorable rating on Rotten Tomatoes while the fans are closer to 50% favorable.  Usually for a popcorn blockbuster those figures are reversed as critics tend to be harsher on fanboy movies.  Is Disney's strong arm tactic causing movie critics to lose all credibility?
 
morekaos said:
A wonderful transition movie that keeps you guessing

I think that sums it up pretty well.

I thought the added humor was a bit too "Guardians of the Galaxy" but other than that I enjoyed it very much.
 
Not a bad movie by any stretch.. I think if it wasn't star wars it would be fine.  However, as apart of the SW saga, it really falls flat.  It breaks a lot of rules and not in a good way.  Pretty much makes everything else you watched irrelevant.  Also, forced comedy and forced social agenda.  Don't remember the last time I checked my watch during a SW flick because I was hoping they would add something for me to want more. 
 
I don't mind the humor as much, although it seems a little out of place because it's more Earth-like humor that should not exist in that setting.

There was one "jump the shark" moment for me (maybe two) and it all had to do with the extent of the powers of the Jedi.

And I'm still on that Rey is a Mary Sue and Finn is a Gary Stu line of thinking. I think we talked about this 2 years ago, but in my mind Finn has to be Force-attuned in order to use a light saber. And Rey has to be related to either the Skywalkers (like a hidden sister of Ben/Kylo or a hidden daughter of Luke) or Kenobi.
 
I did not like it. I might have become a sarcastic ass as I get older but I had way too many WTF moments watching this movie. As a child, Darth Vader terrified me. They did a horrible job with Kylo Ren. Can you imagine Darth Vader ever losing a light saber battle to someone that has never even lifted one?

Also, they ruined Luke's legacy. They lost me at the green milk. NASTY!!!
 
Leia flying through space scene was stupid. Finn and Rose at the end was forced and out of place.

Other than that it was an enjoyable movie.
 
Kings said:
Leia flying through space scene was stupid. Finn and Rose at the end was forced and out of place.

Other than that it was an enjoyable movie.

Yah I didn't get that. It was the prefect moment to kill off the character who has died in real life...now they have to deal with that in the next movie.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Kings said:
Leia flying through space scene was stupid.

Winner on one jump the shark moment.

Any takers on the other?

I heard her mom is actually Mary Poppins and it was to honor her?  Seriously it was bad.

Also no real light saber duel?  All we got was hologramatrix fight.

 
jmoney74 said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Kings said:
Leia flying through space scene was stupid.

Winner on one jump the shark moment.

Any takers on the other?

I heard her mom is actually Mary Poppins and it was to honor her?  Seriously it was bad.

"I'm Mary Poppins yo!!"

So I guess they did copy Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

Also no real light saber duel?  All we got was hologramatrix fight.

And that's jump the shark moment #2. It was more like hard light hologram because the dice could be touched... so midichloridian-ish... or JarJar-ish.... gah.
 
IMO the polarizing opinions are mostly from OG fans who consider OG Star Wars trilogy to be "hard" space opera and OG Star Trek to be "hard" Science Fiction.  Rogue One fits the Space Opera theme well, but the rebooted Star Trek (2009) leaned too much toward action movie.

As for the Star Wars Last Jedi movie, even Mark Hamill disagree with how the character was portrayed.  Though I have to disagree with Mr. Hamill on this, he thinks the character Luke Skywalker would never just give up and go live as a hermit, but let's not forget Yoda voluntarily exiled himself to Dagobah after his failures.  Luke Skywalker exiling himself to the Jedi Temple on Ahch-To and Rey going there to find him is basically repeating the same theme as Luke going to Dagobah to find Yoda.

I have a feeling that in the next movie, just as Luke Skywalker had a shocking revelation about his father, we might see the same with Rey's parents being revealed.
 
jmoney74 said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Kings said:
Leia flying through space scene was stupid.

Winner on one jump the shark moment.

Any takers on the other?

I heard her mom is actually Mary Poppins and it was to honor her?  Seriously it was bad.

Also no real light saber duel?  All we got was hologramatrix fight.

Rey and Kylo tag team was pretty cool, though.  Wish she would have joined him and created a third faction somewhere in between light and dark.
 
rickr said:
They lost me at the green milk. NASTY!!!

https://nerdist.com/the-last-jedi-gross-milking-scene-behind-the-scenes/

HOW THE LAST JEDI?S GROSS MILKING SCENE CAME TO BE

When you?re the only human on an island in the middle of an ocean, you have to learn to take care of yourself. In The Last Jedi, we see Luke Skywalker do so by using the natural resources on Ahch-To. He catches fish, he probably roasts porgs (I?m just being realistic), and he squeezes green milk from the thala-siren. The vivid scene isn?t gross to anyone who?s been on a dairy farm, but it caught Rey and some fans off guard. We asked creature shop head Neal Scanlan about bringing the scene to life, and he told us it?s all practical?and involved a helicopter.

?At the very beginning of the film, Rian [Johnson] said to me that he wanted to take animatronics and practical effects and put them there on a real location?he didn?t want to do certain things in the studio,? Scanlan explained. ?We went to that location, we photographed that location, and we created a digital map of it so that later back at Pinewood we could recreate the rocks. When we sculpted the thala-siren?she?s a full-sized animatronic puppet and she?s about 18 feet tall?she was sculpted to fit into the rocks so that she actually looked like she was sitting in that environment.?

They created the entire puppet at Pinewood from foam latex. The thala-siren has a mechanism on the inside so her head could tilt forward ?like a submarine hatch.? Scanlan said that allowed two puppeteers to get inside the creature?one in the front and one above him. ?One would operate the shoulders and the flippers at the top and the other person would operate the belly and the milking mechanism or the udder mechanism at the bottom,? he said.

Getting the large puppet to Ireland was no small task. They had to transport it to location by helicopter. ?It?s the only creature I?ve ever flown by helicopter,? Scanlan laughed. Once there, they got the puppeteers inside and staged two other smaller thala-sirens in the background. ?We had two puppeteers on the outside, one did the head from a rocky position at the top?he had the head on a rod?and there were two other puppeteers at the bottom that did the bottom flippers,? Scanlan said. ?There were the only three other people on the set, and then Mark [Hamill] and Daisy [Ridley] came and acted out the scene. And when Mark, as you know, wanted delivery of the milk from the udder, then the puppeteer on the inside duly obliged.?

Did the milking scene squick you out to the point you had to look away like Rey? Share your reaction to the thala siren in the comments.
 
momopi said:
IMO the polarizing opinions are mostly from OG fans who consider OG Star Wars trilogy to be "hard" space opera and OG Star Trek to be "hard" Science Fiction.  Rogue One fits the Space Opera theme well, but the rebooted Star Trek (2009) leaned too much toward action movie.

As for the Star Wars Last Jedi movie, even Mark Hamill disagree with how the character was portrayed.  Though I have to disagree with Mr. Hamill on this, he thinks the character Luke Skywalker would never just give up and go live as a hermit, but let's not forget Yoda voluntarily exiled himself to Dagobah after his failures.  Luke Skywalker exiling himself to the Jedi Temple on Ahch-To and Rey going there to find him is basically repeating the same theme as Luke going to Dagobah to find Yoda.

I have a feeling that in the next movie, just as Luke Skywalker had a shocking revelation about his father, we might see the same with Rey's parents being revealed.

I think hammill thought why Luke would want to kill his nephew when he already went through all that with Vader.

Rey's parents are just drunks and that was the big reveal. It also drives home the fact that Disney wanted to say "hey anyone can be a Jedi". Bring in broom boy which apparently was added in as a reshoot.
 
Saw it today. If I want to be intrigued or wowed or have my thoughts provoked, I'd see something other than The Last Jedi. If I want to turn my mind off and laugh at Porgs while watching Emo Vader fight in a throne room, I'll go and re-watch The Last Jedi. The film "is what it is".

The milking scene was a big fat waste, adding nothing to the story. Not even blue milk??? If I wanted jokes like the milk scene, I'd rewatch The Phantom Menace (then be forced to take my own life of course...MESA NO LIKE JAR JAR BINKS)  The obvious Disneyfication of the SW universe is clear, particularly in the end scene add on. Sweet jeeps I half expected those kids to start singing tunes from "Newsies" and not a smudged face to be seen either. When the broom was picked up, that's when I thought... here comes the "Sorcerers Apprentice" shtick and was mildly let down at it. Cut the film's meh and blegh pieces out and you'd make this a much better picture.

The one thing I would call attention to - the tracking shot over the casino tables was a direct lift from "Wings" (1927). If you watch the Folies Bergere scene on YouTube, or DL the GIF of the scene, be amazed that this was done 90 years ago. Imagine trying to pull it off without a steadycam!

All I can say is Thank God that NeckBeard wasn't involved. That alone will hopefully save the franchise from itself. 

My .02c
 
I think Darth Emo's comments about Rey's parents was a misdirect.

I re-watched The Force Awakens after watching The Last Jedi and there is some connection between Rey and the Skywalker line... that's why she was drawn to his lightsaber.

But nothing anyone does with Star Wars makes sense since the original trilogy (Anakin was an immaculate conception?) so anything goes.
 
jmoney74 said:
momopi said:
IMO the polarizing opinions are mostly from OG fans who consider OG Star Wars trilogy to be "hard" space opera and OG Star Trek to be "hard" Science Fiction.  Rogue One fits the Space Opera theme well, but the rebooted Star Trek (2009) leaned too much toward action movie.

As for the Star Wars Last Jedi movie, even Mark Hamill disagree with how the character was portrayed.  Though I have to disagree with Mr. Hamill on this, he thinks the character Luke Skywalker would never just give up and go live as a hermit, but let's not forget Yoda voluntarily exiled himself to Dagobah after his failures.  Luke Skywalker exiling himself to the Jedi Temple on Ahch-To and Rey going there to find him is basically repeating the same theme as Luke going to Dagobah to find Yoda.

I have a feeling that in the next movie, just as Luke Skywalker had a shocking revelation about his father, we might see the same with Rey's parents being revealed.

I think hammill thought why Luke would want to kill his nephew when he already went through all that with Vader.

Rey's parents are just drunks and that was the big reveal. It also drives home the fact that Disney wanted to say "hey anyone can be a Jedi". Bring in broom boy which apparently was added in as a reshoot.

I am okay it either way.  I want Rey to be a Kenobi but I also like the spreading out of the force.  Duopoly on the force held by the Sith and the Jedi is what cause all the problems.  It is actually one of my favorite parts of TFA and Rogue One.
 
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